What are some of the others I should watch before I have my gay card confiscated?
What are the best Joan Crawford movies? In afraid i've only watched Baby Jane.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||November 25, 2022 2:06 PM|
Mildred Pierce The Women Sudden Fear Queen Bee Strait-Jacket Autumn Leaves
|by Anonymous||reply 1||November 24, 2021 7:11 PM|
I saw her in Sudden Fear last year and was mesmerised. I thought she was brilliant and it was a really good movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 2||November 24, 2021 7:12 PM|
Female on the Beach for the 1950s, Grand Hotel for the 30s, Our Dancing Daughters for the silent era, MP for the 40s, Baby Jane for the 60s.
|by Anonymous||reply 3||November 24, 2021 7:13 PM|
You need a double-feature starting with Mildred Pierce and finishing with Straight-Jacket.
|by Anonymous||reply 4||November 24, 2021 7:14 PM|
Should Joan have had a second Oscar?
|by Anonymous||reply 5||November 24, 2021 7:16 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 6||November 24, 2021 7:33 PM|
That's a long title for a movie, R1!
|by Anonymous||reply 7||November 24, 2021 7:34 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 8||November 24, 2021 7:35 PM|
"Torch Song," of course, for Joan in blackface.
|by Anonymous||reply 9||November 24, 2021 7:35 PM|
Sudden Fear is a great movie. The scene where Joan listens to the recording and finds out something bad is about to happen is very well-done, she went back and used all of her silent film training for that scene.
|by Anonymous||reply 10||November 24, 2021 7:40 PM|
Johnny Guitar is fabulous, especially if you're a cinema buff type. This movie was beloved among the French and directors like Scorsese and Almodovar.
|by Anonymous||reply 11||November 24, 2021 7:43 PM|
R7 Sorry. Forgot to hit ENTER twice after each entry.
|by Anonymous||reply 12||November 24, 2021 7:46 PM|
"I Saw What You Did," but only to see Joan drunk onscreen wearing the statement-est of statement necklaces.
|by Anonymous||reply 13||November 24, 2021 7:47 PM|
A Woman's Face
|by Anonymous||reply 14||November 24, 2021 7:48 PM|
R11 I took a young friend (26 or so) to see this at Film Forum about 7 or 8 years ago. I appreciate it still and it is almost surreal at times, but it really doesn't hold up well, unless once is, as you say, once is a cinemaphile. Although JC and Mercedes McCambridge are stunning in their performances, really over the top.
|by Anonymous||reply 15||November 24, 2021 7:48 PM|
I do have a certain fondness for THE BEST OF EVERYTHING. And I love FLAMINGO ROAD.
|by Anonymous||reply 16||November 24, 2021 7:51 PM|
I once read an article where a cinema queen was reviewing Joan Crawford's filmography and noted that after around 1954, Joan stopped making movies and started making eyebrow features.
I laughed out loud when I read that, but it's true. Starting in the mid 1950s, Joan's brows got bigger and blacker than ever.
|by Anonymous||reply 17||November 24, 2021 7:53 PM|
I found Sudden Fear on YouTube! I'm going to start with that. Thank you everybody!
|by Anonymous||reply 18||November 24, 2021 7:54 PM|
She's also good in Spielberg's short that was in the Night Gallery film.
|by Anonymous||reply 19||November 24, 2021 7:56 PM|
I don't know about her movies, but I know the best line ever uttered about Joan Crawford was on Hollywood Squares back in the 70s.
Peter Marshall: "you have a pick, an ax, and a stick of dynamite - what are you about to do".
Paul Lynde: "clear out Joan Crawford's eyebrows".
|by Anonymous||reply 20||November 24, 2021 7:58 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 21||November 24, 2021 7:59 PM|
"Whatever Happened to Baby Jane" is not a Joan Crawford movie, OP, you pathetic excuse for a gay person. Not seeing a Crawford movie by age 10 is a sign of a perverse upbringing and stubbornness on your part bordering on pathology.
I think you're secretly non-binary. Maybe even something worse.
|by Anonymous||reply 22||November 24, 2021 8:07 PM|
Baby Jane IS the only Crawford film worth watching.
|by Anonymous||reply 23||November 24, 2021 8:07 PM|
Was it Joan Crawford's evil twin who appeared in Baby Jane, R22? Do tell.
|by Anonymous||reply 24||November 24, 2021 8:09 PM|
A montage for OP. With music.
|by Anonymous||reply 25||November 24, 2021 8:09 PM|
Humoresque for sure but I also love her in Torch Song. Campy but Joan has some really nice moments.
|by Anonymous||reply 26||November 24, 2021 8:12 PM|
Actually Baby Jane is also the only Bette Davis film I've seen. I'm a bad gay.
|by Anonymous||reply 27||November 24, 2021 8:13 PM|
Possessed is also great. She plays a private duty nurse who may or may not be a homicidal sociopath. She was excellent.
|by Anonymous||reply 28||November 24, 2021 8:16 PM|
Of the 30s I've always loved "Sadie McKee" "Dancing Lady" and "The Bride Wore Red"
|by Anonymous||reply 29||November 24, 2021 8:23 PM|
Another vote for [italic]Humoresque.[/italic]
|by Anonymous||reply 30||November 24, 2021 8:27 PM|
I've seen almost all of Joan's films. Here are my favorites:
West Point (silent) 1928- with BFF Billy Haines
Rain (1932) - wonderful - Joan hated this performance but time has proven it to be quite good
Grand Hotel (1932) - all star cast with the Barrymores, Garbo, Wally Beery
Dancing Lady (1933) - Joan and Gable. CHEMISTRY
Sadie McKee (1934) - Joan, Gene Raymond and Franchot
The Gorgeous Hussy (1936) - Joan with Melvyn Douglas and Robert Taylor. Period piece about the Andrew Jackson presidency. Famous curled wig.
The Bride Wore Red (1937) - Joan at her loveliest IMO. Dorothy Arzner directed and got a great performance out of her. Robert Young and Franchot.
The Women (1939) - a must see for the entire cast, director Cukor, all women cast, etc.
A Woman's Face (1941) - Joan and Melvyn Douglas again. spectacular performance and cast.
Mildred Pierce (1945) - "THE" Oscar winning performance
Humoresque (1946) - another flawless looking Joan, paired with John Garfield
Possessed (1947) - great noir film with lots of early DTLA scenes. Pairing with Van Helfin seems forced. Like her pairing with Raymond Massey.
The Damned Don't Cry (1950) - they used Frank Sinatra's house for the exterior shots of the gangster house in Palm Springs. Joan looks chic.
Sudden Fear (1952) - a flawless noir set in San Francisco, Joan paired with Jack Palance
Queen Bee (1955)- Deliciously evil role. Joan and Joan Ireland, Betsy Palmer.
What Ever Happened to Baby Jane (1962) (for obviously camp and wonderful performances)
|by Anonymous||reply 31||November 24, 2021 8:28 PM|
THIS WOMAN IS DANGEROUS (52). Her last flick at Warners when they wanted to give her the heave-ho. She is a socialite/gangster's moll who's going blind. It's like a whacked out version of MAGNIFICENT OBSESSION.
All Joan's movies are BEST, baby!
|by Anonymous||reply 32||November 24, 2021 8:34 PM|
[quote]West Point (silent) 1928- with BFF Billy Haines
Any movie where she's silent is preferable.
|by Anonymous||reply 33||November 24, 2021 8:39 PM|
THE DAMNED DON'T CRY (50). Joan plays a frazzled working-class housefrau, loses her little boy to vehicular homicide, and becomes a wealthy and "cultured" gangster's moll. She also gets fucked by Steve Cochran, which is some kind of apotheosis.
Like I said, ALL her movies are BEST!
|by Anonymous||reply 34||November 24, 2021 8:40 PM|
Oh-dearing myself: I wasn't sure whether it was Straitjacket or Strait-Jacket, so I looked it up. Unbeknownst to me, autocorrect changed "Strai" to "Straight" and I didn't catch it.
I am heating up the grease for my fire as I type (fat).
|by Anonymous||reply 35||November 24, 2021 8:44 PM|
I saw a movie (sp?) once. It had a funny lady in it and there was sane in an ice cream cone at the end.
|by Anonymous||reply 36||November 24, 2021 8:46 PM|
I HAVE seen eleven Victor Buono movies, though.
|by Anonymous||reply 37||November 24, 2021 8:47 PM|
THE STORY OF ESTHER COSTELLO (57). Joan plays a wealthy socialite who tools around the bogs of Ireland in a giant American car, and discovers a blind and deaf girl in the muck. Like a "Miracle Worker" AND "Mommie Dearest," she adopts her, teaches her how to communicate to mass audiences who are "inspired" by the girl. But trouble ensues when suave and debonair hubby Rossano Brazzi rapes the girl . . .
Lesser known Joan movies are the BEST!
|by Anonymous||reply 38||November 24, 2021 8:47 PM|
[quote]OP: I'm a bad gay.
No, you're a bad human being.
Upsetting people here and all.
|by Anonymous||reply 39||November 24, 2021 8:48 PM|
I liked Strange Cargo, 1940, with Gable
|by Anonymous||reply 40||November 24, 2021 8:56 PM|
Most entertaining. SEXY film of hers is Female On The Beach (she and Jeff Chandler were fucking up a storm in her trailer after shooting wrapped for the day, and their chemistry is hot).
The Damned Don't Cry is a blast, a noir that combines Mildred Pierce and Flamingo Road, plus a nice variety of hunks who take turns fucking her. Fun, and it's also on youtube.
Autumn Leaves is on youtube, but I've always found it over-rated and depressing, though she and Cliff Robertson and the rest of the cast do fine work.
Harriet Craig is one of my favorite films of hers. She's a controlling psycho housewife from hell who ruins her own life through manipulating and undermining the people who love her. Total bitch but I still feel sorry for her. It is also on youtube.
Strait-jacket changed a straight friend of mine's mind about Crawford-he thought she was amazing in it, and all he knew of her was the Mommie Dearest movie.
As mentioned by others, Sadie McKee, Rain, The Bride Wore Red are among her best 30s films (The Bride Wore Red is SO much better than its reputation). And Dancing Lady's a delight. Two of her early 40s movies she didn't care for (When Ladies Meet and Reunion In France) are charming and a lot of fun.
|by Anonymous||reply 41||November 24, 2021 9:05 PM|
Actually, MANNEQUIN is pretty good. Better, I think, than THE BRIDE WORE RED.
|by Anonymous||reply 42||November 24, 2021 9:08 PM|
[quote] (she and Jeff Chandler were fucking up a storm in her trailer after shooting wrapped for the day, and their chemistry is hot).
What was he wearing? Something frilly, I bet!
|by Anonymous||reply 43||November 24, 2021 9:09 PM|
Mannequin IS good, and she's terrific in it, but as soon as Spencer shows up and sweeps her off her feet and buys her everything in sight it stops being gritty and real.
|by Anonymous||reply 44||November 24, 2021 9:15 PM|
Joan was getting pounded by John Ireland's giant horse cock all during the making of Queen Bee.
|by Anonymous||reply 45||November 24, 2021 9:50 PM|
A Woman's Face is a damn good movie, she should've been nominated for an Oscar.
|by Anonymous||reply 46||November 24, 2021 9:53 PM|
For her silent films: "The Unknown", "Our Dancing Daughters" Pre-Code: "Possessed" (1931), "Grand Hotel" Others: "The Shining Hour", The Women", Mildred Pierce", "Humoresque", "Possessed" (1947), "Sudden Fear", "Johnny Guitar" , "Queen Bee", Autumn Leaves", "The Best of Everything", "Whatever Happened to Baby Jane", Strait Jacket", "Berserk"
|by Anonymous||reply 47||November 24, 2021 9:54 PM|
Joan was wonderful and suitably cast in Ice Follies of 1939!
|by Anonymous||reply 48||November 24, 2021 10:00 PM|
Rozzano Brazzi punched me in the cooter!
|by Anonymous||reply 49||November 24, 2021 10:05 PM|
She was originally cast as Cousin Miriam in Hush Hush Sweet Charlotte, but decided to throw a wobbly a week into filming and claimed she was too sick to work. In reality she was scared she was going to be upstaged by Davis again as she had been in WHTBJ. A great palava ensued with Robert Aldrich hiring private detectives to follow Crawford to verify if she was sick or not. She even had herself admitted to the hospital so they could dummy up some fake illness. They had to suspend filming until they could find a replacement and eventually cast de Havilland in the role. She did not want to do the part, but did it as a favor to her friend Bette Davis.
|by Anonymous||reply 50||November 24, 2021 10:30 PM|
Johnny Guitar has a nice Dyke on Dyke showdown at the end.
|by Anonymous||reply 51||November 24, 2021 10:37 PM|
Autumn Leaves. Joan is a spinster work at home typist who falls for a much younger Cliff Robertson who is a psycho. The best part is to compare Joan’s work at home attire-pearls, hairdo, etc.- to those of us WAH today- sweats and pajamas with bed head.
|by Anonymous||reply 52||November 24, 2021 10:42 PM|
Queen Bee and Autumn Leaves are pretty bad, in my opinion. I always said, though, that Dunaway wasn't playing Joan in Mommy Dearest, she was playing Joan's character in Queen Bee.
|by Anonymous||reply 53||November 24, 2021 11:04 PM|
IDK, I really liked Autumn Loaves, but I like her in anything.
|by Anonymous||reply 54||November 24, 2021 11:28 PM|
[Quote] The best part is to compare Joan’s work at home attire-pearls, hairdo, etc.- to those of us WAH today-
Win :) so a must-watch!
|by Anonymous||reply 55||November 25, 2021 1:05 AM|
I think all of Crawford’s best films have been named, so I’ll just add another vote for A Woman’s Face. The first part of this film has some of Crawford’s best acting. The cruel scene with Osa Massen is memorable. The second part of the film, unfortunately, falls apart. A Woman’s Face has some of George Cukor’s most sensitive direction. With a more psychologically astute second part and a less convoluted structure (too much reliance on flashbacks), this film might have been remembered as one of MGM’s, Cukor’s, and Crawford’s finest.
|by Anonymous||reply 56||November 25, 2021 1:07 AM|
R50 There isn't a gay man of a certain age alive who doesn't already intimately know this story. Plus there was an entire episode of FEUD about it.
|by Anonymous||reply 57||November 25, 2021 1:10 AM|
A Woman’s Face, Humoresque, Daisy Kenyon, The Story of Esther Costello, Sudden Fear, Autumn Leaves.
|by Anonymous||reply 58||November 25, 2021 1:12 AM|
Christina always said that "Queen Bee" Joan was the Joan she knew, maybe you're kust taking credot for something you neard from her.
|by Anonymous||reply 59||November 25, 2021 1:18 AM|
Checkout The Unknown (1927) for an early project. It's a silent horror movie that succeeds in being quite eerie and tense, featuring Lon Chaney (in a remarkable performance). Joan heralds the picture as a turning point in her early career, when all the techniques she had been taught at MGM coalesced into a single performance. Anyway, she is exotic and quite lovely as the young carney dancer.
|by Anonymous||reply 60||November 25, 2021 1:19 AM|
I forgot about Queen Bee! I love it.
|by Anonymous||reply 61||November 25, 2021 1:22 AM|
Must agree about DANCING LADY, a very different kind of picture for Joan as it's a musical. She's gorgeous and funny in it and Clark Gable - well, if you ever wondered what was so hot about Gable, check him out in this one. Incredible chemistry between him and Joan, especially in a scene in a gym where they work out together! This film is MGM's attempt to do a Busby Berkeley type back stage musical and IMHO it really works. Great fun!
And Joan dances a huge finale number Heigh Ho! the Gang's All Here! with none other than Fed Astaire in his Hollywood debut. She kind of clomps her way through it in a fabulous but rather annoying feathered gown that must have driven young Fred crazy. In fact, I think his somewhat careless treatment in the film was probably what drove him away from MGM and into RKO's arms until his return in the late 1940s when Joan was safely gone from the lot.
|by Anonymous||reply 62||November 25, 2021 1:35 AM|
None—anywhere in this universe—none, I said!
|by Anonymous||reply 63||November 25, 2021 2:23 AM|
Our Dancing Daughters made her into a Jazz Baby MGM Superstar.
|by Anonymous||reply 64||November 25, 2021 3:57 AM|
"Rain," of course.
|by Anonymous||reply 65||November 25, 2021 4:21 AM|
[quote]Christina always said that "Queen Bee" Joan was the Joan she knew
Christina should have been left in the foundling home where Joan found her.
|by Anonymous||reply 66||November 25, 2021 4:27 AM|
I love nice autumn loaves as well. A freshly baked slice of pumpernickel toasted on a cold winter morning is delicious.
|by Anonymous||reply 67||November 25, 2021 12:57 PM|
The Last of Mrs. Cheyney is the definition of fabulous.
|by Anonymous||reply 68||November 25, 2021 1:37 PM|
I did it first, r68, and better!
|by Anonymous||reply 69||November 25, 2021 2:28 PM|
Congresswoman Joan would bitch-slap the likes of Marjorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert to Kingdom Come!
|by Anonymous||reply 70||November 26, 2021 7:17 PM|
Sudden Fear. That scene where she learns the truth is Joan at her best.
|by Anonymous||reply 71||November 26, 2021 7:42 PM|
She's good in The Women (1939) and it's an entertaining film.
|by Anonymous||reply 72||November 26, 2021 8:26 PM|
Mommie Dearest (1981)
|by Anonymous||reply 73||November 26, 2021 8:27 PM|
Mildred Pierce, Female On the Beach, Autumn Leaves.
|by Anonymous||reply 74||November 26, 2021 8:32 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 75||November 26, 2021 9:50 PM|
Thank you all! I’m watching Harriet Craig now. Oh my goodness, how they keep lighting her face no matter where she is standing or placed. Oh these closeups!
|by Anonymous||reply 76||November 27, 2021 1:00 AM|
Mommie Dearest. She was great in that.
|by Anonymous||reply 77||November 27, 2021 1:07 AM|
R76, I believe Joan had it written in her contract that a band of light was to perpetually shine down on her face, as if she was touched by the Divine. It's actually pretty hilarious how her character will be standing in the shadows or sleeping with the lights out, but that damn light from nowhere hits her at flattering angles.
|by Anonymous||reply 78||November 27, 2021 1:22 AM|
Joan pulled out of it because Bette sent her to a mental ward with her bullying, but Hush, Hush Sweet Charlotte is great
|by Anonymous||reply 79||November 27, 2021 1:37 AM|
She was at her most beautiful during the 1930s
|by Anonymous||reply 80||November 27, 2021 1:58 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 81||November 27, 2021 2:16 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 82||November 27, 2021 2:20 AM|
[quote]Oh my goodness, how they keep lighting her face no matter where she is standing or placed. Oh these closeups!
Joan, like Lucille Ball, knew as much or more about lighting as the film technicians knew.
She often made sure she had a "kicker light", in addition to the key light to highlight her eyes while de-emphasizing her neck....
|by Anonymous||reply 83||November 27, 2021 2:28 AM|
R82 Trog is so bad it's good.
Joan plays an anthropologist. That has her own wing named after her.
The Trog costume was so half-assed it's not even funny.
And lines like "Trog is NOT a carnivore; fish and lizards will supply the proteins he needs until we can safely expand the range of his eating.". What?!?
|by Anonymous||reply 84||November 27, 2021 2:45 AM|
 Straitjacket was epic. Epic disaster, but still epic.
|by Anonymous||reply 85||November 27, 2021 3:45 AM|
Damn DataLounge make it easier to reply to ppl. This layout sucks ass, and not in the good way.
|by Anonymous||reply 86||November 27, 2021 3:45 AM|
Just watched [italic]Sudden Fear[/italic] tonight for the first time, and it's really good. Edge-of-your-seat suspense, plus the big-dick-faced talents of Mr. Jack Palance.
|by Anonymous||reply 87||November 27, 2021 6:29 AM|
Did Joan fuck Jack Palance?
|by Anonymous||reply 88||November 27, 2021 6:30 AM|
Funny thing is, Joan's no great beauty. Nor is Bette or Stanwyck. But they hold their own. A mystery wrapped in bafflement.
|by Anonymous||reply 89||November 27, 2021 6:42 AM|
Crawford was the most beautiful woman in Hollywood from 1929 through at least 1937. To say she was no great beauty is preposterous.
|by Anonymous||reply 90||November 27, 2021 7:36 AM|
This article has a lot to say about Crawford's photogenic looks.
|by Anonymous||reply 91||November 27, 2021 7:37 AM|
To think Joan wanted Brando for her leading man in Sudden Fear. I assume they did a rewrite when they got Jack Palance who was known as the ugliest man in Hollywood. He gets the lines about how ugly Casanova was.
|by Anonymous||reply 92||November 27, 2021 8:11 AM|
R90 she ain't no Ava, Rita or Hedy. She looks like a drag queen, and I say that in the best way possible. No wonder gays worship her. Her eyebrows were amazing like Dan Levy's.
|by Anonymous||reply 93||November 27, 2021 8:37 AM|
No way. In Dancing Lady, Chained, Possessed, I live my life, Sadie McKee she’s utterly feminine and ravishing. It’s crazy how people get this image of Crawford in her later career and apply it to her entire being. She was GORGEOUS when she was young.
|by Anonymous||reply 94||November 27, 2021 8:40 AM|
Why do amazing actresses like Bette get maligned by female impersonators? To give one example. It's a vast gay male conspiracy.
|by Anonymous||reply 95||November 27, 2021 8:46 AM|
Even her arch-enemy Bette Davis said of Crawford, "I wish I were half as beautiful as she is."
|by Anonymous||reply 96||November 27, 2021 8:51 AM|
Oh that Bette. Cunt sure knew how to cunt.
|by Anonymous||reply 97||November 27, 2021 8:53 AM|
It's already been mentioned, but "Trog" is also worth a look because it was Joan's final movie. I think she looked at the rushes and realized that she had hit a low point and it was time to bow out of the movie business.
|by Anonymous||reply 98||November 27, 2021 8:54 AM|
Even though poor Joan was at her career nadir with "Berzerk!" and "Trog," she took these roles seriously and gamely played them straight as if she were doing A+ pictures.
|by Anonymous||reply 99||November 27, 2021 5:06 PM|
Joan should have done more theatre
|by Anonymous||reply 100||November 27, 2021 5:10 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 101||November 27, 2021 5:14 PM|
Forgot Daisy Kenyon. Fabulous Otto Preminger flick co-starring Henry Fonda, Dana Andrews, and Ruth Warrick.
|by Anonymous||reply 102||November 27, 2021 5:20 PM|
Joan was not a theater actress. She was also shitfaced drunk by 5pm every day so theater work wouldn't have been a good idea.
|by Anonymous||reply 103||November 27, 2021 5:28 PM|
[quote]She was also shitfaced drunk by 5pm every day
Why do people feel the need to make up lies about Joan?
|by Anonymous||reply 104||November 27, 2021 5:32 PM|
If Joan was in a production she would have been sober all the time
|by Anonymous||reply 105||November 27, 2021 5:33 PM|
r104 are you kidding? Joan was a raging alcoholic. This has been very well-documented.
|by Anonymous||reply 106||November 27, 2021 5:33 PM|
r105 Joan drank on sets.
|by Anonymous||reply 107||November 27, 2021 5:33 PM|
I don't think Miss Crawford ever appeared in legitimate theatre.
|by Anonymous||reply 108||November 27, 2021 5:34 PM|
Joan was the original runaway bride.
|by Anonymous||reply 109||November 27, 2021 5:36 PM|
[quote][R104] are you kidding? Joan was a raging alcoholic. This has been very well-documented.
Later in her career, Joan had substance problems, but she was always a professional.
|by Anonymous||reply 110||November 27, 2021 5:44 PM|
What about her "smokers"?
|by Anonymous||reply 111||November 27, 2021 5:44 PM|
[quote]—Or were they "art films?"
They were nudies!
|by Anonymous||reply 112||November 27, 2021 6:22 PM|
Rain, a film noir. Yes, I know it's been mentioned. I read the story by Somerset Maugham before I saw the movie. Scary! Joan Crawford plays a prostitute stuck on South Seas island with a missionary (Walter Huston)!
If you don't see the movie, read the story (it's short). The story may be better than the movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 113||November 27, 2021 7:08 PM|
Marilyn Monroe was going to do a TV version of "Rain" in the 60s
|by Anonymous||reply 114||November 27, 2021 7:34 PM|
Joan is actually even more beautiful than Greta Garbo in "Grand Hotel".
I caught up with "Susan and God" a few weeks ago on TMC -- good film of play originally starring Gertrude Lawrence, but rather stolen by a typically wonderful Fredric March. Joan is very good in the film though playing a woman whose latest fad is following a religious guru and how it affects her friends after coming home from a retreat.
"Autumn Leaves" is really good, with a terrific Cliff Robertson as well
"Harriet Craig" is excellent, though it's a remake of "Craig's Wife" with very find and bitchy Rosalind Russell, which is actually closer in its writing to that of the original play.
|by Anonymous||reply 115||November 27, 2021 7:49 PM|
"fine", that is
|by Anonymous||reply 116||November 27, 2021 7:50 PM|
R113, I don't know what was the fascination with a South Seas prostitute, but this Maugham short story has gotten a lot of mileage, on the silver screen as "Sadie Thompson" with Gloria Swanson (1928), "Rain" with Crawford (1932), "Miss Sadie Thompson" with Rita Hayworth (1953), and on stage with Jeanne Eagles (1922) and June Havoc (1944). There was also a "race film" in 1946 called "Dirty Gertie from Harlem U.S.A.," starring Francine Everett, that took the same story but changed the hooker into a showgirl and transported the location to the Caribbean.
|by Anonymous||reply 117||November 27, 2021 8:30 PM|
r110 Joan was visibly drunk in her later films and television and public appearances.
|by Anonymous||reply 118||November 27, 2021 8:35 PM|
R113, I was not fascinated with a South Seas prostitute. But, mix that with a missionary and I find it interesting. I read "Rain" before seeing the movie. Frankly, Joan Crawford was not what I had imagined as Sadie. I know people consider JC beautiful, I just don't see it.
|by Anonymous||reply 119||November 27, 2021 8:46 PM|
I love Strange Cargo for the gay subtext between Albert Dekker and John Arledge.
|by Anonymous||reply 120||November 28, 2021 4:48 AM|
You haven't lived until you have seen Kim Novak as Jeanne Eagels play Sadie Thompson on stage in "Jeanne Eagels".
|by Anonymous||reply 121||November 28, 2021 5:03 AM|
[quote]THIS WOMAN IS DANGEROUS (52). Her last flick at Warners when they wanted to give her the heave-ho.
As she did in 1943 after "Above Suspicion" flopped at MGM, Joan saved her career by buying herself out of the last movie she owed Warner Bros. as she was eager to do "Sudden Fear" at Universal, which she had some creative say in.
Both times (1943 and 1951) Joan made a wise move to end the assorted crap she was being offered under contract to do superior material somewhere else, but she paid big bucks to end those contracts one movie earlier than agreed upon.
For an excellent look at Pre-Code Joan take a look at "Dance Fools, Dance" (1931), also with Gable. Joan plays scruffy, smart upwardly mobile career gal. She's an impoverished former rich society girl as crime-investigating newbie reporter. Joan is great and you can see her putting herself on the A-list list with each new role.
|by Anonymous||reply 122||November 28, 2021 6:34 AM|
[quote]For an excellent look at Pre-Code Joan take a look at "Dance Fools, Dance" (1931), also with Gable. Joan plays scruffy, smart upwardly mobile career gal. She's an impoverished former rich society girl as crime-investigating newbie reporter. Joan is great and you can see her putting herself on the A-list list with each new role.
Joan also made MGM so much money with those movies, they could afford to indulge Norma Shearer in her movies that made a lot less
|by Anonymous||reply 123||November 28, 2021 6:41 AM|
"The Best of Everything."
|by Anonymous||reply 124||November 28, 2021 9:03 AM|
I tried to fuck Peter Shaw—he was my agent at Morris all throughout the 1950s but he was married to Angela Lansbury and—to his credit—he did not take the bait.
|by Anonymous||reply 125||November 29, 2021 4:30 AM|
I'd bet he'd like a do-over on that...
Have seen Ang and her big-low hanging tits lately?
|by Anonymous||reply 126||November 29, 2021 7:09 AM|
I'm rewatching Sudden Fear, Joan is giving a wonderful performance and looks terrific.
|by Anonymous||reply 127||November 18, 2022 10:44 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 128||November 18, 2022 11:15 PM|
Humoresque just for the party scene.
It was even parodied on SCTV. With Catherine O'Hara as Joan.
|by Anonymous||reply 129||November 18, 2022 11:15 PM|
Gosh that Brett Barrett in Sudden Fear is GORGEOUS!
|by Anonymous||reply 130||November 18, 2022 11:29 PM|
"I saw her in Sudden Fear last year and was mesmerised"
The gayest thing ever said on DL?!
|by Anonymous||reply 131||November 18, 2022 11:33 PM|
Gloria Grahame is awful in Sudden Fear. This Dame has an Oscar?!
|by Anonymous||reply 132||November 18, 2022 11:56 PM|
I'm not a Crawford specialist but 'Autumn Leaves' stands out a lot.
|by Anonymous||reply 133||November 19, 2022 4:54 AM|
Love this thread! Don’t sleep on Joan’s interesting films such as “Dance,Fools,Dance”, “Possessed (1931)”, “Paid”, “Letty Lynton” -which was pulled from release over a licensing issue and not seen publicly for almost 90 years. I saw a bootleg of it on YT years ago. Dancing Lady has the distinction of not just being the screen debut of Fred Astaire, but also Ted Healey and the Three Stooges.
|by Anonymous||reply 134||November 19, 2022 5:33 AM|
R125. Peter Shaw and Ange were a cute couple. It's weird how Angela Lansbury, who was gorgeous in her youth, became a little old woman in her late '20s and then lived till 100.
|by Anonymous||reply 135||November 19, 2022 5:46 AM|
Most unintentionally hilarious: "Torch Song." Runners-up: "Berserk" and "Female on the Beach."
|by Anonymous||reply 136||November 19, 2022 8:30 AM|
The Damned Don't Cry(1950). After a tragic accident, a woman starts her life anew with the desire to get to the top, at any cost. Joan was really good in this film. For this picture she won the 1951 Photoplay Award for Most Popular Female Star.
"You've got to kick and punch and belt your way up because nobody's going to give you a lift."
|by Anonymous||reply 137||November 19, 2022 8:49 AM|
"The Damned Don't Cry"
But Joan does, over..and over....and over
|by Anonymous||reply 138||November 19, 2022 9:09 AM|
|by Anonymous||reply 139||November 19, 2022 10:19 AM|
Towards the end of Sudden Fear, that prick who slams the door in Joan's face as she's begging for help? What a prick!
|by Anonymous||reply 140||November 19, 2022 11:09 AM|
Female On The Beach started well but then went off the rails.
|by Anonymous||reply 141||November 19, 2022 11:26 AM|
Maybe we have something in common?
|by Anonymous||reply 142||November 19, 2022 3:24 PM|
Great memory jog for this thread.
|by Anonymous||reply 143||November 19, 2022 3:29 PM|
The damned Don't Cry and Harriet Craig (both 1950) and Sudden Fear (1952) and Autumn Leaves (1956) and an unsold TV pilot called Royal Bay are all on YouTube.
All the films are good (though I don't really enjoy Autumn leaves, it feels like Aldrich really enjoyed tormenting his female characters) but she's great in all of them. And Royal Bay is a luridly melodramatic and fun (but a slow start until Joan makes her entrance at the top of a staircase while the violins swell).
|by Anonymous||reply 144||November 19, 2022 7:09 PM|
Joan didn't drink alcohol, that's just another of her daughter's lies and slanders.
|by Anonymous||reply 145||November 19, 2022 7:14 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 146||November 19, 2022 7:18 PM|
Above Suspicion is one of the movies Charles Busch paid homage to in The Lady in Question.
|by Anonymous||reply 147||November 19, 2022 7:26 PM|
Is LETTY LYNTON still unavailable on DVD/streaming services?
|by Anonymous||reply 148||November 19, 2022 8:15 PM|
I never felt closer to Joan than when she stayed in the closet for fear of being murdered in Sudden Fear.
|by Anonymous||reply 149||November 20, 2022 4:06 AM|
She always credited George Cukor for finally teaching her the true craft of acting while directing her in “A Woman’s Face”. She said he had to break her down and build her back up in order to shed old habits. According to her, through the grueling shoot, she learned how to inhabit a character and act from the inside out instead of putting on a facade. She always had raw talent, but needed a good director to guide her. Regardless of her aggressive reputation, she was very insecure and needed the persona of “Joan Crawford” the star to prop her up. This is where she differs from Bette Davis. Bette could make any lousy material and hack director look good. I suspect these are the differences that led to Joan leaving the “…Sweet Charlotte” production.
|by Anonymous||reply 150||November 21, 2022 4:56 AM|
One more vote for Susan and God which hasn't gotten many mentions. I found the plot to be surprisingly clever and funny. It was nice to see Joan play light. She looked beautiful, too.
|by Anonymous||reply 151||November 21, 2022 5:08 PM|
R123, "Joan also made MGM so much money with those movies, they could afford to indulge Norma Shearer in her movies that made a lot less."
Wasn't the saying at MGM "Shearer gets the prestige pictures, Garbo supplies the art and Crawford makes the money to pay for both of 'em."
|by Anonymous||reply 152||November 21, 2022 5:22 PM|
|by Anonymous||reply 153||November 21, 2022 5:30 PM|
She had a knack for choosing very entertaining films. Most of her movies are wonderful. The worst were:
"Goodbye My Fancy." I just couldn't fully watch it. It was dull. I lost my patience waiting for Eve Arden, who always livens up a movie.
"This Woman is Dangerous". It was a horrible script. The movie was tacky and she couldn't make it work. There was a scene, which was supposedly set in Indianapolis. There were palm trees in the background.
"Trog", albeit naturally.
I didn't watch "Ice Follies of 1939" , "Above Suspicion" and "They All Kissed the Bride."
Ironically, "Reunion in France" was enjoyably campy. Her character's name was Michelle. John Wayne called her "Mike" in the film. It was hilarious.
|by Anonymous||reply 154||November 21, 2022 9:18 PM|
Miss Crawford would have been wonderful in Rosemary's Baby
|by Anonymous||reply 155||November 21, 2022 9:57 PM|
Above Suspicion is a lot better than any number of her films. It's fluff, but very enjoyable. Flamingo Road is my guilty pleasure. I always enjoy a good revenge movie.
|by Anonymous||reply 156||November 21, 2022 10:12 PM|
I love "Flamingo Road", it has everything!
Many of Joan's movies are fearless in that they get you to climb down into the gutter...then roll around in it!
|by Anonymous||reply 157||November 21, 2022 10:51 PM|
Did anyone else get pissed off at that man who refused Joan aid as she was being chased by her murderous husband at the end of Sudden Fear? What did he think she was, a STREETWALKER?!
And why did her character spend so long untying the fence? She could have showed off her sexy gams if she'd hopped over it!
|by Anonymous||reply 158||November 21, 2022 11:01 PM|
[quote] Ironically, "Reunion in France" was enjoyably campy.
Agree, I also enjoted that film.
|by Anonymous||reply 159||November 21, 2022 11:06 PM|
Blue (stag) films. The Casting Couch, Velvet Lips and The Plumber, if you can find em.
"In The Casting Couch, Joan Crawford is reportedly seen performing oral sex on a producer before stripping off her clothes, jumping on his couch nude and engaging in another sex act. Crawford denied ever appearing in an indecent film in her 1962 memoir, but her first husband Douglas Fairbanks Jr. claims she told him about the pictures."
|by Anonymous||reply 160||November 21, 2022 11:20 PM|
Didn't she make a silent porn movie?
|by Anonymous||reply 161||November 21, 2022 11:39 PM|
Honey, that's so cute. Joan came up the hard way, which included stag film(s), fornicating w/ anyone who could help her financially or professionally. Her medicine cabinet was always full of prescription meds.
|by Anonymous||reply 162||November 21, 2022 11:46 PM|
The best Joan Crawford movies to watch are not necessarily the best Joan Crawford movies.
Some of the absolutely essential Crawford movies to watch for their "camp aesthetic value," shall we say, are:
"Johnny Guitar" (Joan destroys Westerns. If only one will fit in the vault, this is it.)
"The Damned Don't Cry" (Joan destroys noir. Dead.)
"Sudden Fear" (Joan destroys thrillers. She married Jack Palance and his girlfriend is the brilliant Gloria Grahame.
"The Best of Everything" (Joan destroys office drama - Extraordinarily uncomfortable and hilarious.)
"Rain" (Early Joan camp.)
"Possessed" (Joan destroys horror!!!)
"Mildred Pierce" intersects here. It's so high-pitched that original solo matinee viewers must have felt like someone was tickling their pudenda with a feather.
Honorable mention (To demonstrate the completeness of the theme: Joan destroys science fiction and tragedy.): "Trog." I can't watch it. It's like "Lear," only bleaker.
|by Anonymous||reply 163||November 22, 2022 12:41 AM|
Mildred Pierce, The Damned Don't Cry, Johnny Guitar
|by Anonymous||reply 164||November 22, 2022 12:48 AM|
164 replies and no one recommends "Berzerk!"?
|by Anonymous||reply 165||November 22, 2022 12:51 AM|
Did she do any sci-fi roles in her career?
|by Anonymous||reply 166||November 22, 2022 1:48 AM|
Crawford was cast in "From Here to Eternity" but she insisted on using her own cameraman, the studio didn't agree, the role went to Deborah Kerr, the final film was nominated for Oscar in all 4 acting categories. If Crawford had given up her demand, I could totally see her winning her 2nd Oscar there, the role suited her perfectly, a slightly older woman with a younger men, also she was at the top of her game, no longer the top billing actress in Hollywood, but the acting was at her best, she was consistently praised by the critics. Deborah Kerr was nominated that year but lost to Hepburn from "Roman Holiday", Crawford had a much bigger clout than Kerr, if she was nominated, she would have won that over Hepburn, just one year earlier, Crawford was nominated for "Sudden Fear" but lost to Shirley Booth, the academy would be totally fine rewarding her on the second year.
|by Anonymous||reply 167||November 22, 2022 2:32 AM|
“Trog,” OP. It was both her big-screen farewell and zenith.
|by Anonymous||reply 168||November 22, 2022 3:14 AM|
I am really surprised no one has mentioned When Ladies Meet which also has Joan playing light, alongside Greer Garson who is also wonderful.
|by Anonymous||reply 169||November 22, 2022 3:15 AM|
Don’t forget about AUTUMN LEAVES, THE STORY OF ESTHER COSTELLO AND THE CARETAKERS.
|by Anonymous||reply 170||November 22, 2022 3:21 AM|
"The Story of Esther Costello" while firmly in the melodrama genre is pretty tough stuff. It is a very daring and challenging subject matter and Joan and Rossano Brazzi are very good.
|by Anonymous||reply 171||November 22, 2022 4:19 AM|
Our Blushing Brides. It has that raw pre-code feeling. It’s about shop girls working in a department store with Joan as a lingerie model, looking quite fetching.
|by Anonymous||reply 172||November 22, 2022 4:41 AM|
She's still a good looking dame at R165 if you scroll the pic up beyond those awful eyebrows. Someone needed to numb her brow with 100% proof vodka and pluck them like a chicken!
R167 I don't know if the Academy would have felt Joan was "due" another Oscar but agree she would have had a great shot with "From Here To Eternity". She was wonderful in "Sudden Fear" though, glad they nominated her for that.
|by Anonymous||reply 173||November 22, 2022 8:43 PM|
R167 I'm sorry, but Crawford would have been dreadful in From Here To Eternity - thank God someone came to their senses. Nobody knows what her real age was, apparently, but she would have been far too old, for one thing. I've read the book and I didn't think Karen Holmes was "slightly older" than Milt Warden. But if so, Crawford was (if born in 1904) close to a decade older than Burt Lancaster. The beach scene that was so steamy with Deborah Kerr would have been awful with 50+ year old Crawford. And her simpering self-pity would have been all wrong for Karen Holmes.
|by Anonymous||reply 174||November 24, 2022 10:56 AM|
‘The Women’ is my favourite role of Joan’s, and you know there had to be delicious tension with Norma. Her cameo slapping Dennis Morgan and Jack Carson in ‘It’s a Great Feeling’ always makes me laugh.
I’m in a few of those JC (Joan Crawford aka Jesus Christ) fan groups on FB. The admin stans are super serious and cult-like. They go after anyone who dares to besmirch St Joan. They infiltrated several other groups that made fun of Joan or dared to be pro-Tina and had them taken down by reporting for any possibility violation. Cut-throat fans not to be messed with! Joan would be proud.
|by Anonymous||reply 175||November 24, 2022 11:37 AM|
I remember in the 70s there was a punk song called "Joan Crawford Has Risen From The Grave". I thought that was funny.
|by Anonymous||reply 176||November 25, 2022 2:06 PM|