Ann B. Davis did NOT make the lez-lez

We've been to this rodeo before. She was a pretty obvious lesbian. her religion was a backward form of Episcopalianism. She basically was part of a cult under a guy named William Frey.

Maybe she was a devout Lesbyterian?

She was a dedicated Episcopalian volunteer and lived in the household of the bishop in Denver (Bishop Frey), and moved with them when they left Denver for Pennsylvania, and then went with them to San Antonio. She was still living with the Freys at the time she fell and died shortly afterwards. She was very healthy so the injury death was shocking.

There never was any public information about her sexuality, but if sublimation had a face....

Frey was a retrograde cleric who organized a "commune". She wasn't a volunteer, she was a cult member. And Episcopalianism seems like a non fun way to do it, unless he was modern enough to stock good gin.

Well if this thread doesn’t beg for a “Sure, Jan”, I don’t know what does.

So she was in denial.

I knew Ann liked pussy before I knew what pussy tasted like.

Even as a little kid I could see that Ann B Davis was "different", you know, like the lady gym teachers at school

Ann dated in Europe.

A gay dad. a cougar mom. A lesbian housekeeper. Two eldest stepsiblings who were fucking. A truly liberal family, ahead of their time.

[quote]A gay dad. a cougar mom. A lesbian housekeeper. Two eldest stepsiblings who were fucking. A truly liberal family, ahead of their time.

THE FUCK YOU CALL ME, BISH?

Toward the end of her life Ann was taken in by a group to help her with problems she was having. Someone asked them (thinly veiled) if they accepted same-sex people to help and the head man said "Yes."

She was a lesbian ahead of the times and probably had issues with 'coming out' back in the day. I believe she was gay.

Poor Ann B. I like to imagine her and DL fave Mary Wickes scissoring the night away in the 1950s.

[quote]the actress illuded that a bad relationship....

To the writer of the article: Oh, dear.

Oh, deer

Oh, Beer

Definitely a lesbytarian.

Oh, queer

A lesbian thespian

Maybe we had confused Ann with her identical twin Harriet.

She was the dykiest dyke who ever dyked.

I like how they had to pair her with gruff Sam The Butcher. She was so dykey that any other male pairing would have looked ridiculous.

Did Schwartz ever address the long-standing rumours about Mary Treen scossoring on the set?

Oh sure, Ann B. Davis wasn't a rug munching dyke. And neither was Nancy Kulp. 🙄

Any truth to the rumor than Ann and Robert Reed were getting it on in the wardrobe trailer?

Oh they just couldn't stop fucking r25! They were obsessed with each other.

She took our her sexual frustration by slapping the children around.

Oh, Alice wasn't frustrated at all. What do you think she and Carol were doing in that house during the day, when Mike was at work and the kids were in school?

What was Alice’s last name?

Ann tried to meet a nice guy. She really, really tried.

Alice rode Sam's polish sausage but Emma was the lezbo.

R29 Alice’s last name is Nelson, it was mentioned in an episode but I don’t remember which one.

Yes, it was Alice Nelson.

r30, love that clip. Here's a version with the last couple of seconds showing her getting the fuck outta there (and away from her date) as soon as she can :)

Carpet muncher.

I always thought she was bisexual (by my gaydar) so living with

a religious couple for so long doesn't come as any shock to me.

When I was much more closeted, I told people I'd been in a very bad relationship and that had left me sour on dating to keep people from suspecting I was gay. And that was in the 1990s.

Seems Ann B used the same story decades earlier. Can only imagine what it must have been like in the 1960s and 1970s for a woman working in Hollywood.

Has there ever been anyone, a woman or a man, to come forward or to be discovered to have had a relationship with her?

I've always figured she was asexual or close to it.

R38 none that I’ve heard. Obviously a closet case who tried to use religious to suppress her true scissoring ways.

I got to meet her. At the TV Land Awards, years ago. I said "You practically raised me!" and she replied "Well, looks like I did a pretty good job!" I'm sure it was a stock line of hers, but she was lovely.

[quote]I got to meet her. At the TV Land Awards, years ago. I said "You practically raised me!" and she replied "Well, looks like I did a pretty good job!" I'm sure it was a stock line of hers, but she was lovely.

What a sweet story r40. Brightens my day to hear that. Thanks for sharing it.

Next to her Love That Bob costar Nancy Kulp, Ann B. Davis was super feminine.

[quote]Ann dated in Europe.

She was cheating?

I thought she appeared at a few LGBT events

Just to clean up. All that glitter....

[quote]Ann dated in Europe.

[quote]She was cheating?

[quote]—Her boyfriend in Canada

*bloop*At least she never DROWNED her spouse in the pool!

She was indeed a Devout L-E-S-B-I-A-N

DL people I've told you before- Alice was NOT the Lesbian it was her cousin Emma

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Her real name was Les Bean.

Her first radio show was Lez Be Friends.

She lived with Constance Ford.

She was the DYKIEST DYKE THAT EVER DYKED!

[quote] She took our her sexual frustration by slapping the children around.

I knew I picked it up from somewhere…

Her truck broke down, and SHE FUCKING FIXED IT

she fixed it ROADSIDE in overalls

What I wouldn't have given for a solid wind up and a dammit, Marcia!

Even if Ann was gay, some of you actually think there aren't both gay and straight people who have given up on relationships? This is definitely a reality for a lot of people.

I know people, gay and straight, who, after bad emotional and physically abusive relationships, have chosen to stop dating. Some had fuck buddies on and off while others have simply chosen not to bother with any kind of relationship.

One person, a gay man, who was a former fashion model, he never had problems meeting men, is now in his late 50s. He hasn't been a relationship for many years. He fills his time running his small business, takes care of his pets, has many hobbies and many friends. Lots of people don't feel the need to be in a romantic partnership.

Don't "Sure Jan" me either. I know these people personally. I don't find their choices weird. People can spend years looking for their soul mate, sometimes they never find them, others have settled, they're mostly miserable.

Later in her life, Emma worked security at Michfest and was widely commended for quickly apprehending several men on the land.

When Ann B Lesbian was asked if she was lesbonic she said

"I have many problems but THAT is not one of them."

So she was a bigot not a lez

Quite bigs tits, Emma.

[quote]Next to her Love That Bob costar Nancy Kulp, Ann B. Davis was super feminine.

Nancy Kulp was as butch as the day is long. God love her, it couldn't have been easy back in those days but she was true to herself.

I read somewhere that she was living in a religious commune in her later years.

She never found the right guy. Just like Condi Rice

Doesn’t Condi get all girly-flirty with W?

[quote] Doesn’t Condi get all girly-flirty with W?

Rosie O'Donnell also had a 'crush' on Tammy Cruise for years. Doesn't mean she's straight.

Those kids have never tasted a cold cookie!

[quote]Ann B. Davis did NOT make the lez-lez

"Sure, Jan." -Marcia Brady

"Why did I thee Alice licking my Kitty Carryall doll in her no-no place?" -Thindy Brady

Did Alice have any friends (other than Carol, Sam the butcher, and other maids like Kay)?

[quote]Did Alice have any friends (other than Carol,

Alice,

Just because we scissored that one time doesn't make us friends.

Mike was out of town; we had too many cocktails; and I just wanted to see if the friction would cause my polyester pantsuit to combust.

It was just like a Science experiment.

Sincerely,

Mrs. Carol Brady

I've never known a bad breakup to have someone swearing off the opposite sex for good. Never. But then we do have Incels so I guess there could be something.

Alice fucked Jan eventually in 1979

Dusty Springfield told her secretary of thwarted love affairs with men. The secretary never saw evidence of them. But Dusty lived with numerous women, even had a commitment ceremony (in a wedding dress) with one.

When did "figuring someone was asexual" become a thing? Did you migrate here from Tumblr?

That's me 100%, R55.

r55 portrays his loveless friends as happy, though. That doesn't seem to be you.

R44 Ann actually did the 700 Club back in the 90s after Robert Reed had died from AIDS.

According to that Brady Bunch E! True Hollywood special (that aired in the late 90s where it revealed that Reed & Davis had some heated words over his script concerns), her appearance on there seemed like a big F U to recently deceased Reed.

I'm surprised the there wasn't any controversy from the media, Hollywood or the LGBT community over that. Robertson tore into gays, AIDS & Reed so it seemed like Ann was lending her name to his far right causes.

Even as a preteen baby gay with virtually no real knowledge of lesbianism, I thought Alice was likely much more into Mrs. Brady rather than Sam the Butcher. I also that knew Nancy Kulp, Edith Head, my piano teacher and my uber-dyke swimming instructor were "ladies who liked ladies."

But I had terrible gaydar when it came to men, other than obvious ones like Rip Taylor, Liberace, and C.N. Reilly. When my mom told me Rock Hudson and George Maharis were gay (I was probably a young teen), I was surprised.

[quote]When I was much more closeted, I told people I'd been in a very bad relationship and that had left me sour on dating to keep people from suspecting I was gay. And that was in the 1990s.

Isn't a certain congressperson still using that story?

And in OP snap I'm not leering lustfully a Marsha Marsha Marsha

Did she build a career by playing her own sister in every series?

^ The B stands for Bull.

[quote]I like how they had to pair her with gruff Sam The Butcher. She was so dykey that any other male pairing would have looked ridiculous.

Actually, Sam was short for Samantha. Around town, the couple was known as Alice the Butch and Sam the Butcher.

Wonder why she was hired to pitch Minute Rice

Peter is looking good here around the 14:00 mark =

Robert Reed right before his death in early '92.

Greg pays him a nice tribute here =

We had a torrid romance for years, see I'm not Gay, oh and neither is my Rippy

R84- He makes Richard Simmons seem straight acting.

That's the way I learned to do the Carpet Munch!

There’s a book all about The Brady Bunch Variety Hour where Ann’s hatred of Rip Taylor is made clear. She resented that they made him her scene partner, which could speak to either her homophobia or closeted lesbianism (or both).

So Ann topped Rip Taylor, based upon R84's photo.

[quote] When did "figuring someone was asexual" become a thing? Did you migrate here from Tumblr?

No, there has always been people that just give off the vibes of not being sexual beings, like spinster aunts. We might not have called them asexual, but that is what we considered them.

^^ you're why celebs beard and lie.

Even flshing her titis Ann looked like she bowled 300.

R90- She looks like a young attractive LESBIAN in that photograph.

[quote]She looks like a young attractive LESBIAN in that photograph.

She looks like k.d. lang in the "Miss Chatelaine" video, which k.d. knew was lesbian camp.

If Ann dated Lindsey Graham, it would've been the lesbian smoking gun.

What is some other lesbian camp?

You can watch Ann's interview with the Television Academy here

[quote]What is some other lesbian camp?

Not sure there's much. But k.d. managed it by posing in a suit on the cover of "Drag" (an album where all the songs were about cigarettes), getting a face shave from Cindy Crawford on the cover of Vanity Fair, and a few other times.

So much more fun than Billy Porter's excruciating Seriousness.

R90 No, because 99.9% of people I don't feel like that about, and I suspect them of being gay, bi, lez, or straight. It is just a few people that I don't think of as sexual based on their public persona, Ann B. Davis was one of the few I just get no sexual vibes from. Nancy Kulp, for instance, I had no problem clocking her as a lesbian from the outset. Robert Reed I could sense even as a child that he was "different," even if I didn't understand why at the time. Ann just always seemed to me like a woman who was happier sitting at home knitting and reading the Bible, than fucking with anyone.

What about Richard Simmons?

There are some people, esp. women, who just aren't interested in sex. They fuck around and try it out in their 20s, find out they don't really care for it, and are pretty happy not living with sexual activity after that. It does happen.

Looking back on my many years, I was happiest when I was not in a relationship. They brought a lot of stress and seemed to drain my, maybe limited, resources. Of course some good times. Perhaps some people enjoy and are at their best in long-term relationships? I haven’t been, yet. I suspect many settled people are miserable, and hiding it, but may be my bias?

R98 He was one I had no problem knowing he was gay, once I figured out he was a man. Honestly, as a small child I thought he was just a very ugly woman. I'm not blind.

I do wonder if he and AG ever hooked up at GH, they both have pubes for head hair.

She seems a sad person in that interview but puts on a happy face for the interviewer, she looks scared sometimes and has a nervous cough,

I just never found the right girl.

Ann wasn't straight. She wasn't gay, either. Ann was a closet monosexual.

Where does Ann B. Davis fall on the Joni Ernst scale of caneface?

So THAT’S what they mean by Nancy-boy.

I want to hang out with Match Game Nancy!

More Match Game Nancy, this time in a turtleneck/blazer combo.

R68 my sibling had a horrible relationship with an as-yet-then-undiagnosed bipolar partner. Swung around on the bipolar ride of instability - my sibling hasn’t had a relationship since. Jobs were quit quickly, and in anger. Living with rent instability the whole time because of it. Then the ultimate fucking around on - where condoms were found in the car and in pockets in the laundry. My sibling was a very happy person beforehand. Now my sib is what a lot of people around refer to as, a broken spirit.

"Ann wasn't straight. She wasn't gay, either. Ann was a closet monosexual. "

Are you kidding? You could cut the sexual tension between these two with a knife

Someone needs to dig up a copy of Ann's lick-her license.

Allan Melvin (Sam the Butcher) must’ve been super rich. He appeared on virtually every sitcom as either recurring character or a guest star.

I used to know someone whose father was a character actor. They lived in a mansion in Beverly Hills. I never heard of his father and didn’t recognize him as anyone familiar when I saw him on a Perry Mason rerun. But being a character actor was good money.

Character actors were often wealthier than stars of tv shows. They kept working for years while the stars got cancelled when their shows did.

Allan Melvin had to be one of the steadiest workers in television.

If Ann were really into guys don't you think I would have banged her?

From what I see in this thread. Ann was either asexual or a lesbian. Bible thumping either way would nix the concept of any exploration of her sexuality.

Robert Reed was such a DILF before the atrocious perm. I think he had naturally curly hair (which he rocked in later years) too so it seemed unnecessary. Florence said she knew he was gay when they had to kiss or share a bed. She didn't seem judgmental at all and loved him regardless. She was a lovely person.

Ann lived in Studio City with a younger woman she called her niece.

R110- Allan Melvin the actor who played Sam was also on All In The Family and Archie Bunker's Place and according to Jason Wingreen the actor who played Harry the bartender, Melvin said nigger frequently on the set of the show(s) when referring to black people. Melvin was the REAL Archie Bunker.

R115 yep. That was common. So was claiming to be sisters. I've also heard older gay men would adopt younger lovers so they would get inheritance.

She was very obviously lesbian, but she was from a different generation and she was super-religious so she was never going to come out.

I've known several older lesbians who were also super religious.

The religious angle was a good cover for them. It gave the illusion that someone that devout could never possibly commit a since like homosexuality.

At the same time, they also found comfort from the faith and somehow coming to some kind of peace with their religious and their sexuality.

Yikes, that should be "commit a sin like homosexuality."

We can't really understand what it was like for that generation. Homosexuality was against the law and seen as sick and perverted. Gays from that era all had so many psychological scars.

R119- ESPECIALLY if they were Catholic then they could just become Nuns and the whole sexuality issue totally disappears.

Surely Lesbian Bed Death makes the agonizing disappear. You're just "companions" then.

[quote]ESPECIALLY if they were Catholic then they could just become Nuns and the whole sexuality issue totally disappears.

How true. The moment one enters a convent or a monastery, the homosexual feelings are purged from their body FOREVER.

I know little and care less about the sexuality of this specimen, but I’ll never fail to be amused by the CERTAINTY in a large corner of our tribe that someone is OBVIOUSLY homosexual — and if they seem to be honestly asserting they’re not, it’s simply “denial.”

r125 = Richard Simmons.

Ann was too busy focusing on her career and didn’t have time to date.

R126 = False Opposition Man, taking off his glasses and donning his cape

Another thing is women on average have a smaller sex drive than men. It's easier for a woman to focus on other things than sex. Also dildos exist.

She may have been accepting of her sexuality, doubtful...I think it sucks that if you are a celebrity there’s an expectation that people I have a right to know about your private life. That would really suck If I were an actor I would do my best to keep my personal life separate from my career and in interviews out focus on that... It’s a celebrities that are dying for attention that serve their life up on a platter to the public, famewhore style.

Rip Taylor read some reporter the bitters when he assumed that Rip was gay.

How very dare you!

Why was she living in communes in her latter years - was she broke?

"You see, I had a very unfortunate relationship very early in my life. I was hurt so deeply, when he told me he thought I was a dyke, that I swore off men forever!"

Its interesting that people claim to be outraged by Will Smith speaking publicly about his sex life and the same people talk shit about Ann B Davis for not speaking publicly about her sex life.

It's almost like people are here for pointless bitchery.

FYI gays: In R112's pic, Allen Melvin and Don Knotts are standing in front of Aunt Pittypat's house, on the old Back Forty lot. Sadly, her porch had been removed, not sure about the lawn jockey.

Ann B. Davis had a raucous sex life!

If you watch The Brady Bunch, you can see Carol's pussy juice on Alice's upper lip in several episodes.

Are you sure it wasn't Tang?

Pooty Tang!

Or Wesson oil.

Les B. Ann

Spinster Women without families would often become nuns late in life, so they had someone to take care of them in their old age.

I highly doubt Carol would have scissored with Alice (since she was getting to ride Mike's 10" hog every night), but it was the 70s and time of sexual freedoms so......

R124- I could EASILY picture Ann B. Davis as a nun if she weren't Protestant.

Florence seems chill and accepting. Her TV husband was gay and her TV housekeeper was lez. Didn't seem to judge either way.

Flo had a horrible childhood, nothing phased her

And Flo, she don't know

'Cause the boy she wed was a hom-e-o

they're called nuns cause they get none

[quote] (since she was getting to ride Mike's 10" hog every night),

It was actually Mike who was doing all the 10" hog riding.

Flo was mad that she didn't get the role of Shirley Partridge

[quote] It was actually Mike who was doing all the 10" hog riding.

So that's what he was up to at the office. "Drawing up blueprints" was code for 'legs up in the sling'.

The episode where Alice taught Carol how to use a vibrator was my favorite.

[quote] Flo was mad that she didn't get the role of Shirley Partridge

She couldn't have been that mad after a while. The Brady Bunch was still recognizable prior to her death. The Partridge Family fell into obscurity much quicker.

Alice's Bible. She put it on Carol's side table.

r155

All Flo wanted to do is sing

Alice had an avocado green melmac dildo that Carol took for a spin once in a while.

Why did Alice always have to wear a maid's outfit? It was humiliating.

R160 The whole show was written for kids. Like they had to remind the young audience, Alice was the housekeeper all the time and they barely showed she had a life outside the Bradys besides the appearance of her boyfriend Sam once in a while.

"Why did Alice always have to wear a maid's outfit? It was humiliating."

Um, maybe because she was the... maid

" Alice was the housekeeper all the time and they barely showed she had a life outside the Bradys"

Tell me about it...

To keep her in her place r162

[quote]Flo had a horrible childhood, nothing phased her

Oh, dear.

[quote]Why did Alice always have to wear a maid's outfit? It was humiliating.

Remember when they took her to Hawaii and Carol made Alice clean the hotel rooms and make the beds.

I worked with Flo Henderson's daughter Barbara. She's maybe the loveliest person I ever met, inside and out. If she's any indication, Florence was a very cool person.

I know this thread is about Ann B. and not Florence, but I wanted to add how much I admired Florence Henderson. As others mentioned, she had a difficult early life. She talks about her mother in this short clip with Rosie O’Donnell.

Florence had a great sense of humour.

From the 1993 MTV Movie Awards…

Florence was beautiful inside and out. And a great actress and singer. She truly loved Robert and Ann for who they were. It's nice to know that the Brady clan in real life is like a real family. Even though Robert and Eve felt the show a waste of their talent, they were still willing to do all the reunions and I don't think it was just for money.

Chris and Eve made an appearance in Gregg Araki's very gay campy arthouse film Nowhere.

Chris and Barry played a gay couple on That '70s Show.