Man stabbed to death by a stranger on train in Penn Station

Them rats is pretty hardcore in the middle of the night. They will stab your ass for a piece of your pizza.

Just a warning to non-New Yorkers.

More and more of my friends are realising that it's now unwise to go out at night.

That's when the crazy loons come out of their lairs to create mayhem.

Do we need to pay reparations to this unnamed man who obviously needed to stab random strangers?

DEFUND THE POLICE!!

He struck again that day but the person lived. The Subway Slasher. How very Brian DePalma.

Why anyone would want to spend all that money to live in a shithole like that is beyond me.

With murderers and looters going free, I feel like we are living in the movie The Purge.

I think I saw that movie. Was that the one with Haus Weston?

Oh, no wait, that the The Splooge.

Curfew for men.

OP in the **80 Looters Rampage thru California Nordstrom** thread:

[quote]BLM!

So many of you wanted to return to gritty 1970s NYC. Well, here you are.

Do subway riders lives matter?

What's a straphanger?

Biden's America

The subways are a bloody mess. A man was slashed in the face Saturday night on an A train in the Village.

[quote] What's a straphanger?

Someone who rides the subway.

R13 more to the point De Blasio's NY

New York Times: Crickets. Doesn't fit their politics.

[quote] What's a straphanger?

[quote] Someone who rides the subway.

Ahhh, I get it now, it's because you're holding onto the strap in the ceiling.

R12 Straphanger is an old term the media would use to refer to NYC subway passengers. Subway trains had strap handles that standing passengers who hold on to for support. I believe they originally were leather straps, hence the name. By the mid 20th century they were replaced with metal strap handles. Today most trains have horizontal poles instead.

[quote] more to the point De Blasio's NY

I haven’t done a damn thing for the citizens of NYC in my eight year term, but with one month left in my term, I will make sure that I stop horse carriages in Central Park.

Complete the sentence: "I saw that red hat on the ground, and I was, like, ________________."

Jesus. Poor man...horrible death.

Is NY less safe now than it was 10 years ago? I haven't been back in a decade but was planning a visit.

Yiikes. I was on a northbound 2 train at 1:30am last night. No sign of police action in Penn Station at the time.

I've experienced random violence myself, and seen an episode of it up close, neither of which were in the evening.

[quote] and seen an episode of it up close,

Oh, dear!

[quote]I believe they originally were leather straps,

Mmmm. Tell me more.

I hate to hear stories like this. It's a reminder that we live in such a violent society. I used to live in New York City, and I took the #2 train often. Although something like this can happen anywhere, I understand why people want to leave New York City.

I live in San Francisco, and I #2 on the street often.

No one is addressing the elephant in the room

This is awful, but doesn't something awful like this happen at least a couple times a year - even during the modern gentrified era of NYC? I mean it's over 8 million people in close proximity with billions of interactions. Something's bound to wrong at some point. This isn't to minimize a horrible death, but is violent crime really that much higher overall than on average the last 10 or 20 years.

"I've" referred to both the words experienced AND seen; it's not necessary to repeat it for each verb. I wasn't typing it as "I seen..." Do you understand that now, R25?

Public transportation SUCKS.

I drive my car into Manhattan on days I go into the office. Being stuck in traffic SUCKS but getting STABBED is worse.

r29 What does Rosie O'Donnell have to do with this?

[quote] No one is addressing the elephant in the room

Excuse me, but I have two threads already. Two!

The suspect has a "dark complexion". Perhaps just back from a holiday in Mustique?

"The NYPD is asking the public to help identify the suspect, which they describe as a male with a dark complexion and medium build that measures in at around 5 ft., 9 in. and 185 lbs."

NYC has always been gritty, wild and violent. Always. Even back in the 1800s. You can try to suppress the beast but it always comes back out. Always.

Does dark complexion mean black or swarthy like an Iranian or someone from India? Confusing.

Probably an insane homeless person. One of the many in NYC. Yesterday I saw a crazy homeless guy verbally attacking a man for being gay. Fortunately, it didn’t escalate.

"The suspect has a "dark complexion". Perhaps just back from a holiday in Mustique?"

I read this as a an entire quote from the article and laughed.

Spread the word. If you know this man, perhaps he was in your dorm at Colgate, or he's your colleague, or your neighbor in Greenwich or Summit or Scarsdale, call his parents or the police. He's obviously not well and needs an intervention.

The victim was asleep. Probably not wise to at midnight on the subway. I wonder if the victim was homeless?

That stabber does not look like some crazy homeless person. Obviously limited info from pics but he looks like he knows exactly what he's doing - covered up carefully to disguise identity, scarf hands in pocket.

Crazy people rarely worry about being identified.

Time for Bernie Goetz to come out of retirement...

Time for the yuppies to go back where they came from…

R32, hopefully you won’t be affected by the new congestion pricing scheme these assholes have in store for you. Any vehicle crossing 59th street heading downtown will be charged a hefty fee. Likely $15.

Revenue from this is supposed to supplement state funds for the MTA, and it’s intended to encourage subway ridership. Hochul wants everyone back at work but only if they take public transportation.

You can’t make this shit up.

Horrible. Poor man.

And I do mean the man who was murdered of course. (You never know these days)

[quote]No one is addressing the elephant in the room

Racist trolls stoking division online? I think that topic is discussed plenty.

[quote] scarf hands in pocket.

What are scarf hands?

The fact that OP keeps linking to the Post, the country's worst rightwing rag, means he's probably Boris.

NYC is literally a warzone.

[quote] Does dark complexion mean black or swarthy

Oooh, that would’ve been a much sexier description:

“The NYPD is asking the public to help identify the suspect, which they describe as a male with a swarthy complexion….”

[quote] The fact that OP keeps linking to the Post, the country's worst rightwing rag, means he's probably Boris.

Or it could just be it’s one of only two periodicals in the City and the other is usually paywalled to non subscribers.

[quote] Is NY less safe now than it was 10 years ago? I haven't been back in a decade but was planning a visit.

This one instance means that you better hadn't dare!

don't ride the subway alone past midnight and you won't get murdered. simple.

So the attacker isn't black, huh?

We'll soon turn this into a "mental health" story then, right?

R49

Give it a fucking rest!

You aged incels who don't live in NYC have a beef with each or all of major NYC newspapers, NYT, NYP and Daily News.

Those of us who live here and simply click on whatever story hits news website (Google, Edge, or whatever) to with just that. If Daily News, NYP or NYP has first link to story it is more than certain the rest will as well. No one is going to sort through a bunch of links just to find one acceptable to loons on DL.

Oh and if they post links to NYP you aged incels moan "it's behind a paywall, please cut and paste entire story".....

For news like this all three major NYC newspapers pretty much have gist of story down. What may vary is now deep coverage goes to fit editorial bias.

NYP and Daily News will most always post perp walks, arrest photos, etc.. when available. NYT won't, especially if it involves any minority ranging from blacks to trans.

Furthermore if you want the meat of any story like this NYP, Daily News or even Daily Fail are far better sources than NYT.

[quote]NYC is literally a warzone.

Nope.

NYC has 9 million people. The state of Iowa has around 3 million. If a guy gets shot in a crap neighborhood in Des Moines does that make the entire state a warzone?

Race-baiting idiots.

At first glance thought this was yet another sad case of some loon lose on subway system. Upon reading entire story this is far worse. We're not IMHO looking at some homeless deranged person, but quite the opposite, this suspect knew what he was doing. Worse the guy got away and remains at large.

R54, midnight isn’t very late. And not everyone who rides the train past midnight is out partying frivolously. Some people work late shifts and don’t have the money to spend on an Uber every night.

Manhattan is on the BRINK of TOTAL collapse.

Am not blaming victim, and God grant his poor soul eternal rest in peace, but rule #1 for riding NYC subways is to always have your guard up.

*NEVER* go to sleep riding the subway. This was true back in 1960's, 1970's, 1980's, and still is today.

Good part of crimes committed against persons in subway system is when they were caught unawares; sleeping, engrossed with their phone or other device...

At best such persons are robbed of their property. Worse, well that can be anything from rape, thrown onto tracks, and or as we've just seen, attacked and killed.

[quote] Furthermore if you want the meat of any story like this NYP, Daily News or even Daily Fail are far better sources than NYT.

Unless of course R56, the victim is an upper middle class white person, in which case it will be front page in the Times and the subject of several op-eds and then a longer magazine thought piece.

R58, this does very much look like the planned killing of a specific person. It happened in the subway system so that the killer could quickly vanish into a crowd.

Petula knew.

I hope all the guys in the “Men who jack off on public transportation” thread stay safe!!!

[quote]Curfew for men.

And if a black guy "loots" a Nordstrums location, lock them all up, right? That's how you think?

Walk into a knife blade.

Reporting on things that are actually happening is race baiting and divisive??

R62

Not anymore really. Today's NYT would be (and has been) far more outraged by violence against any various minority (blacks, trans, Latino/Hispanic...) than any white person in NYC or elsewhere.

They're still going on about various BLM cases for a start.

NYT is firmly a woke limousine liberal rag.

I would not be asleep on the subway at 12:30AM (apparently the victim was a homeless man laying down sleeping on the train).

Love how this brings out the hysteria from non-New Yorkers about how the city is a "war zone" and you can see what people want to leave (MARY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!). Please. It's difficult to get an apartment again, rents are back to normal, theater is back, the streets are crowded again - unfortunately crime happens in every big city.

And the other slashing... looks like the victim got into a fight with the attacker... Also not smart to get into arguments on the subway. And good to remember NYC is not a playground - after they disney-ed Times Square and all the breeders descended on Manhattan with their strollers and money - there were years when everyone seemed to forget that.

Now does everyone understand why I always travel with an AR-15?

R63

There isn't much of a crowd per se at Penn Station at 12 midnight.

That being said guy simply stabbed someone, then got off train when doors opened and walked upstairs and out of station before anyone knew what happened.

There are LE stationed at NYP and Times Square nearly 24/7. But quite honestly unless they were on platform or close by in station *and* perp was pointed out to them, or perhaps there was some near instant radioing of information, it is easy to be long gone....

Penn Station like Times Square is a rat warren of platforms, passage and stairways. Absent a huge LE force it is easy to get out of there unnoticed (hence the cameras).

By time this crime was called in and massive show of LE force arrived anyone could have gotten out of station and onto streets around Penn Station, yes, literally vanishing.

The victim was black.

Here’s his pic.

Probably Eurotrash who can't get into Netherlands or Berlin for nightlife. I'm sure thats it. Swarthy Balkan.

NY Daily News names victim as Akeem Loney, a street soccer player.

R71, there’s also a problem with the radio communications between street cops and those stationed underground.

This is a small problem when a shoplifter disappears into the subway after a robbery. It’s a lot worse when there are more serious crimes being committed. Luckily a murder like this (yes, it’s murder) is a rare occurrence still.

But let’s defund the NYPD.

R61/r71 is English your first language?

You may want to update your translation software to include articles.

You sound stupid.

[quote]Reporting on things that are actually happening is race baiting and divisive??

Using things that are actually happening to race bait and divide is race baiting and divisive, oh willful idiot.

That's rich, r77. It seems you're the willful idiot when news doesn't support your narrative and you choose to ignore it. I bet I know the kinds of stories you like to amplify.

I remember when the most vicious thing you would experience in Hamilton (Bermuda) would be an uncalled-for comment about your shoes. Or an occasional Dom Perignon bottle over your skull, but that was tastefully executed in a discreet manner inside.

[quote] The victim was black.

I want to remind the jury that black people are not victims.

[quote] NY Daily News names victim as Akeem Loney, a street soccer player.

We're all street soccer players when we don't want to be called "homeless".

Quite honestly NYC subway system was going to shit before covid hit. Three or even four years ago now there was much talk about rising crime, but very little agreement from BdeB and city council on how to solve issue.

MTA was supposed to hire more police officers, but don't know if that happened.

Bottom line compared to 1970's or even 1980's you see far less LE in subway system nowadays. This was before covid, and certainly afterwards.

More:

Always be in the mindset that you're in a jungle of wild animals- and you'll be ready for whatever comes at you.

Part of the problem is that in the name of “fairness” New York State stopped requiring bail for most crime. Someone can stab someone and be back on the street in two hours.

R13 NYC was declining long before Biden

[quote] The victim was asleep. Probably not wise to at midnight on the subway.

My parents raised me to avoid public lavatories and NEVER fall asleep in a public place. You are asking for TROUBLE.

They also trained me to keep my wallet/phone etc attached by a chain to my trouser belt.

[quote] Manhattan is on the BRINK of TOTAL collapse.

oh manhattan we love you get up

R10 I'm sorry... I thought gritty 1970s NYC would be more fun than this, but it seems just lame and gloomy.

R12 This is a straphanger Rose.

[quote] Manhattan is on the BRINK of TOTAL collapse.

Oh, we're just fine over here on Fifth Avenue and Park Avenue, and CPW, of course.

Ya know.... how do we know this wasn't a "hit" of some sort? Late at night, disguised attacker who seems deliberate in what he's doing.... seems kinda fishy to me.....

Sondheim knows about straphangers.

[quote] I thought gritty 1970s NYC would be more fun than this, but it seems just lame and gloomy.

The difference is that in the 1970s there was good music, good theater, great stores, fun clubs, no guilt and no wokeism. These days you can’t smoke in a bar, eat a hamburger or drive a car without someone trying to lay a guilt trip on you.

I rode the subway for many years (really decades) at that hour in Midtown coming home from or heading to some off hours supervisor gig I held at a few different hotels where I worked. I saw it all during those commutes. I'm glad I survived and now as a retired elder gay I no longer have to partake in that.

[quote]That's rich, [R77]. It seems you're the willful idiot when news doesn't support your narrative and you choose to ignore it. I bet I know the kinds of stories you like to amplify.

Again, fuckwit: there are the facts and there is race baiting.

Crazy guy at large, ethnic background unknown stabs and kills a semi-homeless sleeping black guy on the 2 train: facts

"OMG Manhattan is turning into a warzone/jungle! Urban violence! Lawlessness!" - race baiting.

-Unlike you, I actually live here. I was on a 2 train one hour after the incident. Absolutely uneventful.

Oh now I'm reading your other nonsense.

"Do subway riders lives matter?" - pure race baiting.

Eat shit.

Marry me, R94!

they got rid of most of the subway booth attendants or whatever they are called. The security went downhill after that. That was at years and years ago...Cuomo's MTA cut back service year after year and yet increased fares every other year. one time, they shut the whole subway down for a few inches of snow. it was such a fucking joke.

so the victim was a soccer player or homeless person?

was he drunk and passed out on the train?

My college roommate used to get wasted and would pass out on the subway...he would take the 6 train and wake up in the bronx! He was lucky that nothing ever happened to him...

R99, don’t worry. The MTA is going to make a BILLION dollars off the new congestion pricing scheme. This will redirect people to public transportation instead of driving cars in Manhattan! Problem solved! We’ll be packed so close in the subway cars no one will be able to move their arms to stab anyone!

Just kidding. It’s gonna be paradise underground, once they spend all the money on improving mass transit.

Just kidding again.

The perp has womanly hips. Are we sure this is a dude?

This appears to be a personal attack. They know each other.

[quote] We’ll be packed so close in the subway cars

I love this because it allows me to rub my ass against hot str8 investment banker types.

[quote]so the victim was a soccer player or homeless person?

Both, it would appear.

And this is why you don't ride the trains falling-down drunk. Target on your back the size of Houston.

[quote] the size of Houston.

It's bigger than Dallas!

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R104, I noticed that, too. Very roomy hips and thighs.

[quote] Part of the problem is that in the name of “fairness” New York State stopped requiring bail for most crime. Someone can stab someone and be back on the street in two hours.

DC did away with money bonds in 1990. The bondsmen were aghast and obviously out of business.

But DC had and has a really strong PreTrial Services Agency (PSA). Every arrestee is drug tested when they get to the central cell block before they first appear in court. PSA investigates them as much as possible (background, mental health issues, family contacts and where they can stay etc). If they are released then there are often all kinds of conditions possible for a judge to impose like drug testing, drug program, mental health assessments & supervision, ankle bracelets, curfews, halfway-house placement, a high intensity supervision program, regular meetings with their PSA officer, stay-aways from victims and locations, curfews, etc, And, of course, they have their own lawyer appointed before they appear for that first appearance who also can argue for release conditions or challenge probable cause. Violations will result in a Show Cause hearing and possible more restrictions or revocation and you can sit your ass in jail until your case is resolved.

DC's failure to appear rate is pretty low. And this gets people into programs asap.

That said, a stabber on the Metro, with a dead or just injured victim would never be released.

I read the victim was sleeping. I figured he was homeless. Poor man. Everyone I know, even the most hardened NYers of all races and genders, are terrified of using the subway these days.

It wasn't Penn Station and it was after midnight.

In R56 "Oh and if they post links to NYP ", should be "NYT".

Carry on....

R105 are you hot? Because if you're hot it's ok, if you're not that's gross.

How's the NJ PATH doin'? Everything ok?

This is equally horrible. Caught on video-Lower Manhattan: Homeless man passed out in housing project stairwell set on fire dies after two weeks

A man who was set on fire in the stairwell of a Lower East Side building earlier this month has died, police said on Saturday. The unidentified victim was found unconscious with severe burns to his torso and lower body inside the building on Pitt Street just before 5 p.m. on Nov. 5, according to the NYPD. He was taken to a hospital in critical condition and died on Thursday, police said.

Officers arrested a suspect on the same day the victim was found. Nathaniel Terry, 27, who lives in the same building, was initially charged by police with attempted murder, assault and arson. Authorities said they’re still working to identify the victim, who did not have identification on him when he was found. Police described the victim as a white man with dark-colored hair. He was wearing a black jacket, black sweater and dark-colored pants.

<- But he was SNORING!

I think most homeless people know that the subways are not safe and only ride them when it's really, really cold. Plus it's hard to sleep with all the stops and announcements.

RIP

Another stabbing near Grand Central last night.

You shouldn't have used the comma, then, R31.

The U.S. is becoming a dystopia.

In this thread alone, two completely innocent black lives taken by obvious sociopaths. No marches for them. No hashtags for them.

#homelesssoccerplayerlivesmatter

Seriously, R123, do you think homeless peoples' lives matter less because they're homeless? Damn.

[quote] In this thread alone, two completely innocent black lives taken by obvious sociopaths. No marches for them. No hashtags for them.

That’s because they can’t be blamed on white people or white-adjacent Hispanics.

R124, that’s what you got from that post?

Bless your heart, hun. Keep looking for somewhere to be outraged, you’ll find it. I have confidence in you, sweety.

I’m not TERRIFIED to ride the subway, but I stay vigilant amd don’t use my phone or earbuds. I’m a woman and put on a bitch face, so the most I can hope for us that there’s an easier-looking target nearby. I’m also home when it’s dark because I am teetering on the edge of Old.

All the sensitive people who complained about the stop and frisk. Hey assholes, if you had nothing to hide, it shouldn’t have been a problem.

Sketchy fucks.

don't take the subway at night. take a cab. if you can't afford a cab, don't go out or make plans to come home early.

the subways are quite packed now.

Teetering only leads to one thing, r127... a broken hip.

[quote] I’m not TERRIFIED to ride the subway, but I stay vigilant amd don’t use my phone or earbuds.

I’ll never understand why people are willing to live like that. Where I live is consistently ranked as one of the best places to live in the U.S. One of the reasons for scoring high, besides all the other positive qualities, is that crime is practically non-existent. Delivered packages can sit outside for days and no one steals them. Violent crime is exceedingly rare, and when it occurs, it’s people that know each other, not strangers. I can go out outside in the middle of the night by myself, visit a dark isolated ATM if I like, and have absolutely zero concern.

It can’t be worth it to live in a place where people murder other people at random, no matter how big or small the risk is for that happening to you. No, I’m not going to provide identifying information like where I live.

[quote] the subways are quite packed now.

Maybe some of those people can help you find your shift key.

[quote] I’m a woman and put on a bitch face,

Like you have to put one on.

R131 is possibly the dullest, slowest, most boring poster ever to appear on Datalounge. All the nasty little troll cares about is his personal safety. He probably lives in The Villages, is 84 years old., votes republican, loves Trump, and thinks kids today aren't anything like they use to be.

I'd go on but he's probably already passed away, as he posted almost a half an hour ago.

Word of advice, r134...do *not* go on his lawn.

I truthfully believe this: that when the criminals saw Trump lose they saw any chance of a future for themselves go down the drain. In their desperate delusions, they thought the Criminal-In-Chief would expunge records, pardon crimes, encourage anarchy, sanction chauvinism and squelch #metoo, etc. His loss is making them go berserk.

And yes, he had a lot of black male supporters.

[quote] I read the victim was sleeping. I figured he was homeless. Poor man. Everyone I know, even the most hardened NYers of all races and genders, are terrified of using the subway these days.

I don’t know anyone who is “terrified” of using the subway these days. Except maybe DLers who don’t live in NYC, but does anyone really “know” them?

As for this attack… I’m sorry the fellow was killed, but maybe the murderer had a good reason? I mean, if it was planned and all. And it seems to have been. If watching dozens of episodes of Columbo has taught me anything, it’s that murderers are often justified in their killings. Sometimes the victims are just complete assholes.

True. If we dig deep enough we’ll probably find an extensive blackmail operation between victim and perp.

More mayhem down there. Monday morning a woman was punched. put into a headlock and robbed of her purse in a NYC subway station.

R139, which station and what train?

[quote] All the sensitive people who complained about the stop and frisk. Hey assholes, if you had nothing to hide, it shouldn’t have been a problem.

Hello, 1984!

[quote] No, I’m not going to provide identifying information like where I live.

Because you’re full of shit.

Let me guess. Monte Carlo? Singapore?

R140 northbound D platform at Herald Square and the latest victim today was attacked by 2 men on a southbound 6 train at 96thand Lexington. Same old song: NY, NY it's a helluva town!

What the hell is wrong with people?

That is nightmarish, R116, that poor homeless man... I think there was a similar story a while back and that was horrific as well.

R112 Well that certainly makes me feel better about riding the NYC subway

Are the jars alright?

ROTFLMFAO R148

R54 what about all the injuries and deaths from hit and runs that have increase 54% in the first half of 2021? Maybe stay out of NY as much as possible is the solution.

[quote] With murderers and looters going free, I feel like we are living in the movie The Purge.

Yeah because there’s never been a slasher in NYC before.

Or a rapist.

Or a homeless guy who pushed someone in front of a subway.

Or a guy with a rifle shooting people on top of the Empire State Building.

Or a guy with a machete running down 34th street.

Or a mugging.

Or a subway shooter.

Or a mad bomber.

Or a mob killing.

Or a Colombian cartel rub out.

Or a gang slaying.

By God, how could crime be happening in NYC, of all places?

^ or terrorist's attacks!

or tourists struck by random bullets in Times Square

Or people celebrating their anniversary at Peter Luger's Steakhouse and being caught in the crossfire of a gun fight

or being pissed on by a homeless on the subway

or being shot in killed at a bodega

^ and killed

or being robbed while dining outdoors

or being robbed and pummeled while making deliveries

Why can’t they target the Real Housewives?

or fracturing your spine after being shoved onto the subway tracks

or being fatally shot on a Brooklyn street in broad daylight

^ just another 48 hours in the Big Apple

Are New York residents worried? Seems to be getting increasingly violent.

A key point worth noting is that police no longer have any presence in the subways. I grew up in the 70s and 80s and you could always expect to see a copy on a train and platforms, even late at night. I can't recall the last time I saw a copy in the subway system, except for the occasional spot checking of bags and knapsacks at turnstiles during certain event days like 9/11. It's basically a free fall all in the subway, because you have a combination of emotionally disturbed and opportunistic criminals, but there is no deterrent.

[quote] Biden's America

More the Mayor, but enough blame to go around.

Nothing was ever ripped from the headlines before that dirty socialist deblasio and his dark skinned wife seized power through votes!

Nobody ever obeyed a malicious, homicidal dog before

Or beat a child to death after years of domestic abuse

Or kidnapped, murdered and disposed of a child in a furnace

Or chased black guys into deadly traffic for being in a white neighborhood

Yes, but this time they will be back on the streets immediately.

As a NYer I just try to avoid the subway as much as humanly possible at this point.

Where do you live, R173?

R165, you obviously haven't taken the subway in years.

I see cops.

During rush hour in the morning, they are in the stations. I have seen them ride the trains.

I lived in NY in the 80s and never saw cops in train stations or on trains. That’s 2hybtge6 had theAngels, though 8 never saw one of them on a train, either.

Did you just have a stroke?

R174 South Harlem, about 6 blocks from Central Park

I love the amount of whataboitism on this thread. “I ride this same line every night and no issues”. Yes dear so obviously this crime never occurred. Has NYC bounced back?