Modeled drugged and left dumped and dead at hospital

Meh. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. Any woman who goes to a man's apartment she met in a nightclub is looking for sex and or drugs, and willingly takes her chances.

Would you say that about a man, too r1?

[quote] The men wore all black, wore baklavas

Sounds like they were some dishy men

R1 Fuck off troll! How many gay men, myself included, meet strangers on apps? Gay men put themselves in danger for sex all the time.

This poor woman. My heart goes out to her family.

How is wanting sex with a man you met “playing stupid games?”

People who produce snuff porn take their victims to the emergency room afterwards?

Any woman who goes home with a man she doesn’t know in the early hours of the morning is stupid, but that doesn’t mean she deserved what she got.

Just because the victims are women most people will think they deserve what they got for clubbing, taking drugs, and going home with men. Society sucks.

How touching that they dropped her off in front of a hospital after she stopped breathing. It probably took them an hour to organize the balaclavas.

[quote]Modeled drugged and left dumped and dead

What kind of crappy thread title is this?

No baklava for OP!

If one or both were married, I wonder why they did go home with these random men. I wonder if they were already drugged at the club?

[quote] The men wore all black, wore baklavas, and had no plates on the car.

Those are red flags, right?

If they were wearing baklavas, they must have left sticky fingerprints all over the crime scene.

She / they probably OD'd at the club or the after party.

R12 Baklavas and no plates. Sticky, I’d say!

People (except maybe for Kanye) don’t just happen to have a collection of balaclavas and black outfits lying around their house, so there must have been some kind of criminal setup from the get go.

Something just doesn’t add up.

The model’s concerned team mom is named Dusty Giles.

Make of that what you will.

[quote] People . . . don’t just happen to have a collection of . . . black outfits lying around their house,

Have you been to NYC?

It seems the men they were seen with had a predilection for Turkish desserts. That should narrow it down.

R18 this was in LA

Look for a person carrying extra weight!

Amateurs..

"Model from Alabama" = an OnlyFans escort.

So the woman had done coke, ketamine, molly, mushroom before. But the family doesn't believe she would ever do heroin?

Where's the friend?

Wow, there's a lot going on here.

[quote]Christy Giles's lifeless body was allegedly left by men in balaclavas [bold]driving a Prius with no plates[/bold] at Southern California Hospital in Culver City at 5 p.m. on November 14.

[quote]Surveillance footage recorded the men dumping the body of Hilda Marcela Cabrales-Arzola, 26, outside Kaiser Permanente hospital in West LA two hours later.

[...]

[quote]Dusty Giles, a 49-year-old nurse who lives in Dora near Birmingham, Alabama, said she was convinced her daughter was drugged.

[quote]'My daughter is a military police officer's daughter, her father Leslie served in Iraq,' she told The Sun.

[quote][bold]'My daughters have been taught literally how to kill a person with a ballpoint pen.[/bold]

[quote]'My daughter would have fought like hell and from my understanding from speaking to the emergency room doctor and nurse, they did not see any visible bruises, scratches, or any indication of an altercation.

[quote]'The only way that these men would have kept my daughter and Hilda for over 10 hours would be by giving them drugs, maybe tying them up.'

[quote]'Marcela took a liking to one of these guys. They all left together to go to this party in the Hollywood Hills. But they didn't end up going to that party at all. They ended up at these guys' houses. They left the East LA party at about 4:45am.'

[quote][bold]Dusty Giles said that Cilliers had accessed her phone, and the last text message her daughter sent was at 5.38am on Saturday.

[quote]She told Cabrales-Arzola: 'Let's get out of here,' with the wide eyes emoji, Dusty said.

[quote]Cabrales-Arzola - who had only recently moved from Mexico to LA - replied 'Yes' and said she had called for an Uber.[/bold]

[quote]'That's the last time we know that Christy was alive and able to move and do something of her own free will,' Dusty Giles told The Sun.

[quote]'The girls were obviously not speaking out loud in front of these guys, they were texting each other.

[quote]'I believe they drugged them to keep them and I believe they probably raped them.

[quote]'Maybe throughout the day they had to give them more and more to keep them subdued.

[quote]'These men had them for over 10 hours to clean them up and drop them off.

[quote]'If it was an accidental overdose, why not call 911?

[quote]'Why do you wait 10 hours until she is dead to fling her on a sidewalk, remove your license plates, obscure your face?

[quote]'It doesn't track, it's not logical.'

Not just any car with no plates, a Prius. This reminds me of the show Weeds, one of the drug dealers drove a Prius because they're common and quiet.

Hopefully they post the snuff film so we can see. Will be so fun!

She was an Instagram model, this is her last post

The husband.

[quote] There are people [bold]theorizing [/bold]that these women went home with a man seen with"lots of camera equipment" and so that automatically =snuff. The men wore all black, wore baklavas, and had no plates on the car.

That's the problem these days: Too much theory, not enough facts.

R28 she looks high or on something there. Being an instragram "model" with a husband who photographs you, is not really a model with an agency contract, now is it?

It screams "for sale" to me.

Reminds me of the doctor I. New York who was married with 3 kids and a former America’s junior Miss winner who went out to party with some guys and she overdosed and they left her in front of an apartment building.

It sounds like they thought they were going up to party at some lavish Hollywood Hills home, and ended up in some sketchy apartment instead.

I actually appreciate OP summarizing the story in his own words, despite the baklava vs. balaclava. IMO, it's hard to sift through endless quotes from a news story. Nice to have a brief, factual summary.

A few years ago she was roommates with my favorite obscure retired gay porn twink Skylar Starr (who I'm guessing no one here has ever heard of). She posted something about how cool it was to live/be friends with a gay porn star.

That being said, she was apparently a 'real' model, as in signed with a modeling agency, and got to model actual clothes every once in a while. She really didn't have a lot of followers though, circa 16k before her death.

Apparently one of the perpetrators has been identified as Dave Pearce aka Dave Bryant. He appears to have ties to Ron Jeremy and, according to one comment I read, lives with 3 porn stars (women I suppose), and 'likes to get fucked up the ass by black trannies'.

It's weird though; you see his name floating around social media, but DM et al. aren't naming names yet. Why not? Am I missing something here? People are accused of horrible, yet to be proven crimes all the time. And why were the husband and family so quick to hire a private investigator?

Something is odd about this whole story.

I'm guessing fentanyl was involved.

Can you provide a link, R36?

I looked up the names you mentioned and the only thing I found with the two of them together is a site that reports phone numbers. There are reports from 2012, 2013, 2016, 2020 and yesterday.

[quote]December 26, 2020: Dave Pearce is a low level thief, con artist, shoplifter, drug dealer and HIV positive dirt bag. He will eventually be killed or locked up. Stay away from this loser.

[quote]January 25, 2013: (DAVE) DAVID PEARCE IV, IS A DRUG DEALER, THIEF, SCAM ARTIST, LIER. IF YOU EVER HAVE CONTACT WITH HIM GO THE OTHER WAY! DOB IS 02/17/1979. WHITE MALE, 5"3 SPIKED BLACK HAIR, THIN AROUND 150LB , LIVES IN. CALIFORNIA HE WILL BULL S H - T AND STEAL FROM YOU. DO NOT TRUST HIM EVER!!! HE SAYS HE WORKS FOR PARAMOUNT PICTURES WHICH IS NOT THE WHOLE TRUTH. DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING HE SAYS!!!!!

Today someone from the Daily Mail commented under the the posts. (11/18/2021)

R38, it's in the comments under the husband's most recent Facebook post. You probably need an account to read them.

What happened Christy Giles and her friend is tragic beyond belief. And the text messages do make it sound like there was foul play involved. That being said, something is off about this aggressive pushing of a certain narrative by the husband. For the first few days after her death, no 'official' sources from the LA/SoCal area reported on it. I couldn't find any short, factual news item along the lines of, 'Young woman found dead near hospital of suspected drug overdose ... victim was later identified as Christy Giles, 24 ...'. . But fast forward a few days and the story is ALL over the news; with long-winded articles full of lurid scenarios that treat the husband's theories pretty much as fact. Strangely though, none of these articles mention the alleged perpetrators' names, despite claiming they have been identified.

Even though the mother says Christy was very open about her recreational drug use, partying etc., I think the family is probably in denial about her lifestyle and the circles she run in. She was signed with an agency and appears to have had some legit modeling jobs, but they were probably few and far between. Most of her recent posts were 'glamour shots' taken by her husband and other relatively unknown photographers. No designer/brand etc. tagged. She was traveling a lot, posted photos from yachts and glamourous vacations that I doubt her model salary and his earnings as a photographer would have paid for. Before her marriage, she had a roommate who did porn and escorted, and thought it was exciting. That girl was no stranger to the seedy side of Hollywood.

None of this means that she deserved to be killed, or make it any less tragic if this was yet another accidental overdose.

[quote]the girl in the coma tested positive for heroin and she "would never do that".

Sure Jan.

This is like a real life version of Vally of the Dolls!

Something is definitely, off, R40. Opposites attract but if this information is accurate these two women were very different, I wonder how they met.

[quote]Cabrales-Arzola, is reportedly a 26 year old Mexican architect who obtained her degree from Universidad de Monterrey, in San Pedro Garza García, Mexico.

[quote]Since November 2019, she has worked as the Lead project manager in execution at Atrio Interiores, according to her employment profile.

[quote]According to her profile, she was attempting to relocate to Canada and has been learning how to code to "expand [her] opportunities."

[quote]”My main goal is to fully migrate to Canada, and establish there, I love the country and the opportunities it offers, I'm a very versatile person who can easily adjust to new circumstances, I love to learn, and I'm open to learning all kind of new skills," she wrote.

From the Independent:

[quote]According to an online employment page, Ms Cabrales-Arzola got a scholarship to pursue her degree, which she completed cum laude, she was also the lead project manager at architecture and design company Atrio Interiores.

Her husband did it, and concocted some elaborate murder-for-hire scheme.

If you shaved the hair off every female models head, they all look the same, and all look fugly. Whereas men, even when bald, still look different to each other. Female models are so fucking trash and clones of each other.

Did she even have Kaiser insurance?

Kaiser is a closed system and they don't provide care for non Kaiser members.

[quote]Her husband did it, and concocted some elaborate murder-for-hire scheme.

Some articles say husband and others say fiance, maybe he was a... what's a nice way of saying pimp? He kept tabs on her via her phone's GPS and he had her iCloud login information, that's not usually indicative of a good relationship.

[quote]When Cillers woke up in San Francisco while visiting his father, he texted his wife good morning. He grew concerned when he she never responded and noticed that she was at the same address all day, which he did not recognize.

[quote]Around 5 p.m. on Saturday he saw that Giles' location had moved to a hospital. He frantically began calling the hospital for information and then called her parents in Alabama for help.

[...]

[quote]Cillers, who has accessed Giles' text messages via iCloud, said: 'I've got all the messages that she exchanged with anybody else that night

Yes it was very stupid of her to go home with a stranger late at night after clubbing. Have I done it? Yes. Many times I've gone home with strangers to their place. Is it smart? No it's very stupid. But we do it anyway playing Russian roulette hoping the guy doesn't turn out to be a psycho behind that attractive smile.

[quote]Yes it was very stupid of her to go home with a stranger late at night after clubbing. Have I done it? Yes.

And I still appreciate you.

That night was hot.

Somethings off. Is it 100% proven there “husband” (super creepy vibes) was in San Fran? He sees her locale is not moving and doesn’t find it odd? He then sees her at hospital? He could’ve called her and realized she’s not moved from the same place for hours and she’s not answering his calls so call THE COPS! I think he wore the baklava (ha!) and a night of drugging and weird sex shit ended in ODing and the Mexican smart chick with way too many names wanted no part of their sketch lifestyle so she was drugged. Idk just weird shit

Poor guy, but the husband looks a little like Macaulay Culkin during his strung-out, long-haired phase.

They went to a place in East LA? East LA?

Right there is a RED LIGHT! DUUUUUUUUH, CUNTS !!!!!!!!!!!!

The husband looks skeevy as fuck.

Small tits for an Instagram model

How horrific

This is Los Angeles now! All you tards out there who think of coming over to make a career here just don't do it. LA is very risky place if you lack common sense.

R24 I’d say its very common for people to do all those other drugs but not do heroin. I put them in two entirely different categories.

Heroin in California tends to be black tar which is spoked rather than injected. Fentanyl has been replacing it as it is cheaper and easier to use and turns up in other drugs.

All the tributes on social media describe her as a 'joyous', happy-go-lucky person who'd light up every room with her smile and so on and so forth, and the husband describes their marriage as 'fairy-tale' (of course he does), but her twitter paints a very different picture. Lots of posts about mental health, trauma, 'crying in the back of an uber' etc., especially in the last few weeks/months. Now, it could have been just navel gazing from a self-absorbed young person, but to me it seems like she was going through something. I've been following her for a while (I'm the stalker-y loser obsessed with her former porn star roommate...), and I'd say her posts took a turn for the dark.

You think that is bad, you should see what they did to me.

Only one overdosed model lies before me. Lays? Lies?

Modeled drugged and left dumped and dead at hospital

So an ESL or illiterate sparkle pony reads the Daily Fail. So he, or likely she, is distraught and needs to share the grim story with someone, ANYONE, so she writes this headline. So there is the headline!

R60 did she ever mention her husband or being married in twitter?

[quote] Heroin in California tends to be black tar which is spoked rather than injected.

Ewww. I can’t imagine seeing that shit and saying “yeah. Lemme smoke that!” Its name is black tar for gods sake.

I thought the girls were Russian at first because they remind me of Mel Gibson's Russian baby mama .

They’re kind of fat for models.

Yes, she did, R60. To be fair it was mostly nice stuff ... cutesy little stories about him always being late or that him being a good driver is sexy to her etc. She also shared some passive agressive posts about 'toxic people', or being there for someone who wouldn't do the same for her, but who knows who those were directed at.

Some people don't need an excuse to be crazy and unstable they just have a chemical imbalance.

who is the former roommate pornstar worth stalking? Thanks, hun.

Based on her Twitter she seems like she was a genuinely nice person.

While not a raving beauty, Ms. Giles is attractive and has a bangin' body. It seems she could do better than the husband/fiance, so maybe he really was her "business manager."

She dated a gorgeous biracial guy before meeting her husband. I'd have to go waaay back on her twitter to find a pic of him, but I remember he was really hot.

Here's Skylar Starr. I'm guessing that the name "Skylar" was the proto-"Jayden"---he looks like an acquired taste or guilty pleasure. Bleached blonde is rarely a good look, esp. on someone who looks like the typical skinny twink in Atlanta from bumfuck Alabama.

[quote]Heroin in California tends to be black tar which is spoked rather than injected.

You do it on a bicycle?

Lol, you found the absolute WORST pic of him, R74.

But I'm well aware he's not what the average DLer would consider attractive. From the hair to the eyebrows and tattoos... he's the prototype of DL anti-fav.

They obviously knew something was dangerous with the text “let’s get out of here” and the friend texting that she’ll call an Uber.

The must have been forcibly restrained and then drugged . They keep them 10 hours, so god knows what they did to them and probably filmed them. Really nasty shit.

Nobody deserves this. Fucking rotten-inside people.

More flattering pic. And yes, he is a drug addict, obviously. If it hasn't happened yet, he's probably overdosing as I type this.

He was Christy's roommate in 2016 - 2018ish. Not sure how close they were, but she mentioned him a few times on her twitter, said it was cool to have a porn star roommate etc.

It's the two final texts between the girls that make me think that whatever their drug use was in day-to-day life, something was offered or implied that was obviously either dangerous, illegal or a combination thereof.

I wonder if they can find the Uber call.

I'm going out on a limb, but where was Alex/c Murdaugh last night?

That porker can walk through walls Fred-Kruger style.

R76: Well here is enjoying BBC. In all honesty, the pics I saw all made him look like some tweakeout Atlanta twink.

R81, the dude looks a bit like Alan Cumming and that dude who played the penguin on Gotham somehow fell into a cloning machine set to "Faintly Tastes of Vanilla".

That's the last video he ever did, R81. I agree he looks bad. Unhealthy. It's even worse now, I'm afraid.

I like that one Blackonboys video he did with Deepdic, they had great chemistry. But the group stuff is horrible. You can tell he is on drugs, in pain (despite the drugs), and doesn't want to be there.

He doesn't look much better with Deepdicc

Looks like the Daily Mail is trying to make her the next Gabby Petito. I knew they'd love this story. Models, drugs, snuff porn ... what more could you ask for?

[quote]The husband suspects murder, snuff porn, sex slaves etc

And I suspect the husband.

Why not both, R86?

I'm surprised they didn't dredge-up Skylar for comment. The husband seems like a sleaze who'd be involved somehow.

R84, as I said, I knew most of you wouldn't get what I see in him. The hair, eyebrows and tattoos are sad, and he does look a bit peculiar from certain angles, but none of that matters to me. It's those FAT, juicy, beautifully curved lips, his submissive energy and the way he DEVOURS cock (esp. foreskin!)

Someone donated $5000 to her gofundme ... anonymously. A former 'mentor' maybe?

A warehouse sounds like an unreputable sex club.

Definitely someone with a guilty conscience.

The husband, like a true pimp, is milking is hoe for every last cent. Why else do you need a gofundme for a dead person? You can just donate the body, and have a memorial service in a drug den.

she's obviously a whore.

this has been played out in many movies and tv shows.

She came across as a typical woke Gen Z girl, but got married at 21 or 22 to a guy who appears to be much older. Pretty odd if you ask me.

Disgusting skank. Good riddance.

Partying during a pandemic is stupid and dangerous.

a nice girl would never pose that picture online for the world to see. she's a whore, she's showing off her goods. therefore, it's a risk she took willingly...she probably died doing what she loved. no need to feel sorry for her.

So this is a case that could go either way on here. So a model and her friend

So you type retarded, OP

What's wrong with LA? Too close to Mexico and drug trafficking? On top of the easily manipulable, desperate for fame sexy people?

[quote] lead project manager at architecture and design company Atrio Interiores

Just like me! I architect and design! I lead on many project. I graduate before finishing one semester because I so good at architecting and design.

Well, R101, how much time do you have?

And I also immigrate to conchy I loves because I versatile

So, I guess I'm an old news, aren't I?

In one of the Daily Mail photos the husband is wearing a caftan.

R103, well, I'm a DL regular, so lots.

I'm actually a third generation Angeleno (long gone), but it just seems so much worse now... any patina of glamour is also long gone. Even the "rich" celebrities present themselves as trailer park trash (Kardashians).

[quote] What's wrong with LA?

Beats me -- I'm still wondering the same thing!

Move over, bitch at R108...

[quote]Prior to her sudden death, the 24-year-old Los Angeles model tied the knot with Jan Cilliers.

Yes, it would have been awkward if they'd gotten married afterward.

I’ve never gotten the appeal about L.A. I’ve heard really good things about it but I’ve also heard it wasn’t very fun. I’ve known a few people who moved to L.A. and came back defeated.

She was partying with some rich Arabs who had their people dump her. They had balacavas because their people are prepared for nasty shit to go down and know how to take care of it. The prius doesn't quite fit my theory.

Geez, this story has really blown up. It even inspired a Crazy Days and Nights blind. And Christy Giles was post-humously promoted to the A-List (by some commenters at least)!

This reminds me of that other IG “model” and “influencer” who was a “sweet” “free spirit” with shady friends and a much older controlling husband who wound up dead. Lots of them, actually.

I feel so bad for their parents, who are powerless to stop their daughters’ horrible demise.

I realize it's very easy to criticize the victims because of their perceived lifestyle.

But the last text messages (if real) suggest that they were unwilling participants who knew a bridge had been crossed.

The dead girl is an easy "moralizing" target, but her companion seemed to have her head screwed on and a career and life before her. Neither one of them in any way deserved this and that should go without saying.

The whole thing is horrific.

And I don't trust the husband any more than I do/did that Murdaugh pig.

[quote]R33 It sounds like they thought they were going up to party at some lavish Hollywood Hills home, and ended up in some sketchy apartment instead.

And thus it ever was.

[italic]Welcome to Hollywood!

Sounds like she put out before dinner again.

The hubby arranged the 'date' - betcha.

I wouldn't be surprised if you turn out to be right, R118.

Especially if she was thinking of leaving him.

R113 Has anyone been to Soho House? What's it like?

If he’s her husband, he’s next of kin. The hospital would have told him his wife’s status before they’d tell her parents. Spouse trumps all other relationships, which is why gay marriage has been so important.

Also, Christy pings. (Or did, RIP.)

The third woman is a mystery. The husband is sus.

Somehow I missed the part where the police give any sort of statement. And what the actual cause of death was. I’m assuming OD because no observable bruising, allegedly.

This sounds very similar to the Alexis Sharkey murder.

Hiring a P.I. now is actually a good move.

Right now is the best time to collect evidence & interview people. Like asking for Ring videos from neighbors that will be deleted later.

If the police show no interest in the case later, it's hard for a P.I. to just pick up the case months/years later when pieces of evidence are gone, witnesses are hard to track down, people no longer remember things, etc.

Tweets are protected now, but stories still being posted to her instagram. Looks like the husband had the passwords to all her social media.

Interestingly, her instagram username was changed from chrsty.x to christygilesx shortly before her death. I'd say less than a week before it happened. Maybe even after her death? And now this massive media campaign ... hmmmm.....

An "x" in the handle usually means porn......

[quote] Also, Christy pings. (Or did, RIP.)

According to some of her tweets, she identified as bi, queer, LGBTQ or whatever.

R126....LGBTQ or just anything that moves?

[quote] wore baklavas

They wore Greek pastries?

LOL, R127, all I can tell you is that she posted something about Pride Month, along the lines of, 'Straights never experienced oppression like we did'. She didn't use a label. I still rolled my eyes at it tbh.

There's also a photo of her kissing a woman on instagram I think.

[quote] According to some of her tweets, she identified as bi, queer, LGBTQ or whatever.

She identified as a prostitute. Which means: I'll have sex with anyone for money.

wait, is the dead woman from mexico? maybe she married the husband for green card? he gets a beard? win, win?

God, this media circus is getting ridiculous. She has one of those inspirational quotes on her instagram saying, 'The grass isn't greener on the other side, it's greener where you water it', and THE SUN is calling it 'a chilling reference to the other side'.

But to answer the urging question posed in the article, it was put there long before her death.

The woman who's still in a coma is Mexican. It sounds like she is pretty much braindead.

How is the designer friend doing? Hasn’t she been brain dead for 6 days now? Is there a chance for her to get better?

They'll probably wait a few more days and then take her off life support if there's no improvement, like they did with DMX. Unfortunately, from what I've heard about such cases, it would take a miracle for her to make even minimal progress.

Update. Now they're finally naming names.

This Dave Pearce character is quite handsome in a sleazy fuckboy-ish sort of way. And there are photos of him with celebrities like Paris Hilton on gettyimages. I could see why a young woman hoping to make it in the entertainment industry would want to hang out with this guy.

[quote] Meh. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

So does that apply to Matthew Shepard too, mouthbreather?

I met Christy twice. There is literally no way she would have ever put heroin in her body. She was a magical person and that’s no exaggeration.

She was with a friend newly arrived from Mexico and the friend had some interest in a guy she had met. Christy was married but there’s no way she would have been a stick in the mud and dragged her friend away — how was she to know she aaa going to be daterape drugged?

[quote] She was a magical person and that’s no exaggeration.

A “magical person” isn’t an exaggeration?

[quote]how was she to know she aaa going to be daterape drugged?

Oh, is that what happened? Glad the facts are out already.

🙄

[quote] no need to feel sorry for her.

Her? Perhaps not. The fact that no one taught you capitalization makes me feel sorry for you, though.

R36, I just googled Dave Pearce aka Dave Bryant with interesting results..

R38, Damn, I missed your results!

[quote] What's wrong with LA?

Our fine city specializes in sordid and sleazy murders and deaths.

I’ve cast the Netflix movie: Hubby should be played by Tom Hiddleston and Christy IS Anna Taylor-Joy (she will have to pack on a few pounds)

R136 the "hot" pic of the possible killer is from 2009.

If I heard someone moaning in pain in a neighboring apartment, I'd at least call 911.

The husband pings to Saturn.

The mother’s comments are strange to me, why would she assume all that?!? It’s just not necessary. She sounds nutty.

R145 Her daughter is a POLICEMAN'S DAUGHTER! She knows better!!!

Mother is from Alabama and possibly a Q Anon frau..

“Even though we live in Alabama and we have a different outlook on things, she had no reason to lie to her husband and her best friends in California.”

Husband/pimp is uglee!

[quote] A “magical person” isn’t an exaggeration?

I feel sorry for you that you have to ask that question, emoji boy.

Both women look like hookers.

“High class” hoes used to give out business cards with their name, phone and their profession in case wifey finds it. Their professions? Interior design. Architect. Business management. But “interior designer” was the favorite, because it was an in-joke.

Hilda Marcela Cabrales' LinkedIn.

She spoke Korean.

Her parents call her Marcela.

The interview is in Spanish.

Was she a real architect? Or was she a “Melania” style architect?

That guy looks like a sleazeball.

Buck would have never been drugged and killed for a snuff film.

If it was a snuff film, they wouldnt have dropped their bodies at the hospital. They would have been chopped up and disposed of.

Now the police have a lot evidence from the bodies. (DNA etc) ,

Well, they did pick Kaiser and these two seem out of network.

"Dave Pearce" aka Dave Graniterock"???

Was that his Flintstones name?

Anyone doing a legit snuff or torture film would ensure the bodies were never found.

[quote] Anyone doing a legit snuff or torture film would ensure the bodies were never found.

And that's why, if legit (?) snuff films exist, they are rumored to be made in Southeast Asia, South America, or Russia. Definitely not in North America. But, hey, such speculations will give Websleuths/QAnon fraus something to squeeze their clits to.

they used to be rumored to be made in Mexico.

I believe it. Women are treated like garbage in Mexico

I listened to a good podcast on the Juarez murders of young women. Over 300 young women were raped, murdered and tortured over 2 decades.

From the police to cartel and everyone in between are culpable

That is horrifying.

Here’s a link to the podcast.

[quote]R160 Anyone doing a legit snuff or torture film would ensure the bodies were never found.

Clearly it was not one of the [italic]better[/italic] snuff films.

"a nice girl would never pose that picture online for the world to see. she's a whore, she's showing off her goods. therefore, it's a risk she took willingly...she probably died doing what she loved. no need to feel sorry for her."

Do gay men killed by grindr tricks deserve to die because they weren't "nice"?

More likely, she was a a dumb whore. When they go out with a clients, sex workers usually let someone know when and where they're going. They also usually have "limits" around when and where they'll go and with whom.

As reported Wednesday by KNBC in Los Angeles.

I couldn't watch it again, but I remember the husband saying something along the lines of not being able to smell her hair again.

The Soho House is really becoming trashy if they would let this lot in.

I wonder if this is the warehouse venue they went to. It's not East LA, but I wouldn't exactly trust Daily Fail to get that right. It's a very gritty, industrial part of the city.

Yep - it's Soho Warehouse, R171. It's a younger crowd but it's a nicer venue than WeHo.

She was pretty but I too got a lesbian vibe off her. Im not judging her and her friend,there but for the grace of god go I . I partied way too hard and ended up in some sketchy shit myself. Women always think they are safer with another woman there,but its just not so. Exhibit A being this story.

That little girl was me!

Re: Kaiser. If Kaiser had the closest hospital (geographically), maybe that's why they got treated there. Kaiser contracts with other hospitals (emergency and maybe even specialty care) and vice-versa.

MODEL?

R174- She's acting again. Britney's free. Paris is married.

R177 who gives a fuck about disease written mentally ill white whores?

Is every slightly above average skinny girl a model these days?

Was she a hand model?

[quote]disease written mentally ill

Oh dear.

This is a sketchy thread posted by someone who linked to the Daily Fail, so it’s a definite no from me. (And I never read the Scun either, ever since Hillsborough, but don’t autoban its posters.)

You missed the memo re: Daily Fail, R182. We have decided it is acceptable to link non-political stories from the Fail. We all get it that the evil Murdoch owns it.

Still no actual cause of death/autopsy results?

Remember that Alexis Sharkey (free spirit scenester and wannabe influencer who was dumped in a ditch, perfectly clean and without a bruise or scratch on her) was thought to have been a possible OD. She’d been strangled. Also I just found out her husband killed himself last week.

I'm disappointed with the development of this story, or lack thereof. Too bad, because it's way more interesting than the Gaby Petito case. No cause of death, no update on the brain dead friend. It's like the husband planted the story to bring attention to his GoFundMe and media made zero effort to keep it going. Also, the husband is sleazy big time, as many of you mentioned. I also thought that was that the marriage was some kind of pimp and his "protege" situation.

Yeah, it's odd how this story was EVERYWHERE for a couple of days and then just sort of went away.

As for her cause of death, 'undetermined' usually means that the answer is in the toxicology report, which can take weeks to complete. However, it should be clear by now whether or not she was sexually abused.

Sadly, the other girl will most likely be taken off life support within the next few days. Has anyone ever 'recovered' from having no brain activity?

[quote]Re: Kaiser. If Kaiser had the closest hospital (geographically), maybe that's why they got treated there. Kaiser contracts with other hospitals (emergency and maybe even specialty care) and vice-versa.

Under federal law, an emergency department is required to assess, stabilize, and begin treatment of any person who is brought there or brings themself there for treatment, regardless of their insurance coverage or lack of insurance or financial status. The emergency department is then allowed to transfer the patient somewhere else after they are stabilized due to insurance reasons. But Kaiser is not allowed to refuse to see someone who is brought there for emergency care.

Maybe this story got overshadowed by the Rittenhouse case. But it sure is odd how the drying-up of updates coincided with the gofundme reaching it's goal. It's still open though at $126.915 ... you too can donate and help get justice for Christy!

I'm not sure the girls willingly took the drugs that killed them. Maybe someone slipped them something. The texts that say "let's get out of here" suggest something or someone was creeping them out and they were still lucid.

[quote] the gofundme reaching it's goal.

Oh, dear!

[quote] The texts that say "let's get out of here" suggest something or someone was creeping them out

Or it could’ve been just boring to them and time to leave and go somewhere else. You cannot tell context from texts.

According to the reporting, the text included a 😳 emoji

If the reporting is true, they knew they were in a bad situation

[quote]I also thought that was that the marriage was some kind of pimp and his "protege" situation.

I find it quite telling that 1. her instagram is still being updated, and 2. the privacy settings of her twitter page were changed after her death. Obviously someone has access to her social media passwords, and who else could it be but the husband? Maybe he only found them after her death and logged into her accounts (which would still be a violation of privacy imo), but it seems more likely to me that he already knew them. Also, the way she always shared her location with him 'for safety' ... is it normal for young couples to do that?

Even in 2021, a model with a septum piercing and random tats is unlikely to book high-profile jobs unless she's already A list. She must have known (and accepted) that she wouldn't hit it big in the fasion world, and focused on other means of income ...

I also found an interesting exchange on her twitter page (before it was set to private). She complained about someone stealing her designer sunglasses, and some guy replied to her saying she only got them for having a one-night stand with a (married) 60-year-old at a party.

I'm sure the husband is lying through his teeth about the 'fairytale marriage', but I also think there was foul play involved in her death. Both can be true at the same time ... Let's not forget that Dave Pearce has been accused of abuse/rape before.

I think hubs doesn't want to admit to himself (let alone others) that she lifestyle she led, likely with his approval, contributed to her death. It will be interesting to see if other people from her inner circle start speaking up.

The husband implied that she texted other people throughout the night. But he never released other texts other than that "Let's get out of here" one.

I wonder if it's because the other texts are irrelevant or because he's hiding something.

24 is unusually young for marriage. These days, at least.

Anyone who is an IG model with a perpetual pout and ached back is all but asking to be abused by a host of perverts.

So weird how people text each other so much and they're in the same room. In this case, it was understandable. They didn't want to raise red flags. But they could also have been texting people outside of the club (for help).

Or just dialing fucking 911.

I don't understand it at all.

I feel like there are always more to these stories that meets the eye.

For all calling this young girl “a whore” and whatnot, has it ever occurred to you she may have been drugged and beaten because she would NOT present hole?

There’s a lesson here for all of us - -

[quote]no update on the brain dead friend

There are updates but they're on Univision and other Spanish language news outlets, I posted an interview with her parents at R153.

I have a bad feeling this will never be solved.

I'm a bit surprised that they dumped them at hospitals (all covered in cameras these days) instead of in a park or some deserted area. The one girl is dead and the other is basically dead. I can't imagine a judge going easy on them because "they tried to get them help". But this is America...

R181 yeah the disease written of being a vile cunt with no empathy whatsoever.

Didn't you write that?

[quote] The local resident, who asked not to be identified, told The Sun: “I heard someone moaning in pain for five, six or seven hours, all day on Saturday from David Pearce’s apartment. “I was wondering what it was because there are always very loud noises coming from that apartment. But this was moaning and it was weird to me but he’s a weird guy and I don’t want to get on his bad side so I never confront him."

Yeah...if I heard that kind of noise ALL DAY, I'd call 911. And if I had a neighbor I was THAT afraid of, I'd fucking move.

R203, why wouldn't it? They know the apartment where the girls ended up and the guy who lives there. That's a lot more information than most murders.

Yeah, I hate it when people are too chicken to even call 911. Who knows how many murders and rapes could have been prevented and solved if some asshole could muster up an ounce of empathy and call 911.

R208 Yeah I can understand hearing "a noise" and waving it off, but saying "I heard someone moaning FOR AN ENTIRE DAY", I don't know how you ignore that.

Could the "Let's get out of here" texts be sent by the bad guy(s) so they can say the girls were taking drugs and left on their own? Although if the building has surveillance cameras that can be easily verified.

Regarding the husband being able to track the wife's whereabouts, that is common procedure for call girls when they go out to meet a client. They allow a friend, S.O., or driver to track them should anything go awry.

I am wondering if the girl and “husband” were even really legally married. Sorry to keep harping on this, but the hospital would give information to the husband because he’s legally next of kin. He said her parents had to get the information from the hospital. That doesn’t make sense.

Amd how did they even identify her? Did the people who dumped her leave her purse and phone with her? And if they killed her, why leave her at a hospital with cameras? They could have left her behind a dumpster or a park. These weren’t very smart killers.

Who knows whether people are really married nowadays. I have a friend (male) who was in a long-term relationship with a woman, but they were never married as far as I knew. The relationship seemed open, as far as my friend was concerned. This friend became a judge and suddenly he describes himself as having a "wife." I've never heard about him getting married.

[Quote] Yeah...if I heard that kind of noise ALL DAY, I'd call 911.

Not me. Pearce's neighbors no doubt called the police before and got no satisfaction from them. He was weird. People were coming & going all the time. Loud nouses were always coming from the apartment.They knew he was involved at least with prostitutes and drugs, and probably in the porn industry. If you called police on him, he'd know it came from your apartmwnt. You've obviosly never been in a position where you would be retaliated against, and cops would do nothing. Others have been in that situation before and theyre not risking it again just to have police either ignore it, or have cops say it 's some junkie on a bad trip and the neighbor now has you marked a narc.

R213. Marriage can become important in terms of inheritance (in many states surviving spouses by law get a certain percentage of the estate), taxes, health insurance, social security benefits, and so on.

Poor people don't need to worry about inheritance, taxes, etc and they have very low rates of marriage. The opposite is true for the upper middle class/upper class - much higher marriage rates and lower divorce rates. They know how to protect their financial assets.

R214, Agreed. Amazes me how many posters think one can move so easily without losing a lot of money breaking a lease, selling an otherwise satisfactory home.

I had a real black widow and insane, foul woman living upstairs. Neighbors called LE when her screaming hysterics got really bad but I was the one always blamed. She'd lived in the complex longer than I had and made up excuses to report me to the HOA.

R216 leases end, pretty much annually. If I had a neighbor who was that scary/obnoxious (even before this incident), my ass would've been OUT when it came up.

And yes, I live in LA.

If you're too scared to call the cops (understandable), why the hell would you give that kind of damning testimony to a tabloid? Especially testimony that makes you sound like an unfeeling sociopath.

[quote] Poor people don't need to worry about inheritance, taxes, etc and they have very low rates of marriage. The opposite is true for the upper middle class/upper class - much higher marriage rates and lower divorce rates. They know how to protect their financial assets.

R215, understood. My friend who became a judge is / was not rich. He is, however, the type to spend money on himself and himself only. (E.g., takes exotic trips ... without his "wife.") If anything, he would purposely *not* get married in order to preserve his own assets. I'm calling BS on him actually being married now. I suspect he's calling his longtime GF his "wife" now, because he's a judge and he thinks it sounds good.

Well, you need to nip that in the bud. Expose him!

If the girl was willing to tell her parents that she did party drugs, not sure why she'd lie about being married. A live-in boyfriend isn't scandalous.

[Quote] why the hell would you give that kind of damning testimony to a tabloid?

Its not "testimony." Its a remark to a tabloid. There likely will not be a trial. Too expensive. There will be a plea bargain. If it did go to trial, the guy could say he was lying to the tabloid so prosecutor wouldn't call him as a witness. He 's not doing anything illegal by lying to a tabloid.....or by saying he was lying to a tabloid. It's pretty common for people to say someyjing to tv or newspapers immediately after a crime, then later say they were "mistaken" or "didn't recollect" later on, when they realize theyve become involved in a serious legal case

Calling law/talkiing to.enforcement.is different from talking to a tabloid. As soon as LEO gets involved there are legal reports on record.

[quote]Jan Cilliers (born b/w 1993-1996, Age: 25-28 Years) is a famous American social media influencer, model, photographer, artist, hiker, and entrepreneur from Johannesburg, Gauteng, South Africa. He is famously known in the country for his amazing hiking videos and pictures on the internet.

His estimated age is wrong, according to public records people search info he's 40.

He has 4,597 Instagram followers and 22 Twitter followers, if he were famously known wouldn't he have more?

R222 if you're afraid of your neighbor, mentioning you heard painful moans coming from their home for most of the day seems pretty dumb, regardless of what happens with the case. There's only X amount of people who could've heard them, and you put a target on your back.

And testimony just means a "public statement", sometimes but not necessarily in court.

He definitely looks closer to 40 than 28.

[quote][bold]Jan Cilliers[/bold]

[quote]in Marina Del Rey, CA (California)

[quote]Age 40

[quote][bold]Current Address[/bold]

[quote]1 Ironsides St, Unit 5

[quote]Marina Del Rey CA 90292

[quote]Los Angeles County

[quote]Since December 2013

Christy Lee's sisters are named Misty and Britnee.

R228 that summary reads like it was assembled by a drunken bot.

And a net worth of 2-3 mil? Uh...sure.

[quote] Jan Cilliers (born b/w 1993-1996, Age: 25-28 Years) is a famous American social media influencer, model,

He's a model?

Definitely a bot, R229.

This site is even worse but they did get his DOB right: March 12, 1982

At R224, that's a rough 25-28 years old.

I'm not doubting that they were married, but if he really was her pimp, maybe everybody concerned (parents, etc.) were on board with saying he was the husband.

I doubt she would have told her parents he was her pimp. She might have been open about the 'party drugs', but her Alabama military police officer daddy would have killed had she confessed to being a whore ... well, either her or the pimp.

" Also, the way she always shared her location with him 'for safety' ... is it normal for young couples to do that?"

I can believe that sex workers do that as a safety measure, although it's also probably done so that the pimp can be sure the whore is where they're supposed to be.

But among "normal" couples, constant phone tracking is the sign of a person being so controlling and jealous that they'll freak out and become abusive if their SO stops at the park or the convenience store on the way home from work.

[quote]He has 4,597 Instagram followers

At least 1000 of those were added after his wife's death. She's gained over 3.5k since her untimely passing.

If he was her pimp, why would she claim he was her husband if he wasn't? Could easily call him a live-in boyfriend. And they were married 2 years ago, before COVID, so presumably her parents would've been present.

Have we been infiltrated by websleuth fraus?

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[quote}But among "normal" couples, constant phone tracking is the sign of a person being so controlling and jealous that they'll freak out and become abusive if their SO stops at the park or the convenience store on the way home from work.

He also has her iCloud password and presumably her Twitter & Instagram logins as well.

R236, we live in a world where husbands pimp out their wives so unfortunately it's possible.

Burning Man? Where's the DLer who was obsessed with Burning Man in the heat exhaustion hiking couple threads?

[quote]the men told cops they were all doing drugs when both women allegedly overdosed and they took them 'immediately to the ER'

dropped off at separate hospitals...2 hours apart. Uhhuh. And the second friend didn't want to stay with the first friend after she "accidentally OD'd"?

Married because legally she can’t be forced to testify against him.

^ We've seriously been infiltrated by websleuth QFraus.

An impulsive young woman who went to a strangers apartment late at night after a party couldn't POSSIBLY have impulsively married her boyfriend. Christ you people see human trafficking in EVERYTHING.

If he was her pimp, he'd be very stupid to bring this much attention to the case.

[quote] It's pretty common for people to say someyjing to tv or newspapers immediately after a crime, then later say they were "mistaken" or "didn't recollect" later on, when they realize theyve become involved in a serious legal case

Yes, I know!

If he was her legal husband, why wouldn’t the hospital give her information? He’s next of kin. When my father was incapacitated in the hospital, my mother had to authorize us (his children!) to receive his medical information. They hadn’t even spoken for a decade, and she lived in another state, but everything had to go through her until she signed it over to us. A marriage certificate is a powerful legal instrument and trumps everything. It’s why we fought for marriage equality.

These people seemed to be counterculture fringe types and probably had a “spiritual” marriage. I have a relative who had a wedding but it wasn’t a legal one because his “wife” didn’t want to lose her late husband’s army benefits and pension.

Escorts calling themselves models…

Maybe I'm old fashioned but is it normal for a married woman to go out and then go off with strange men? I know women who go out for a girls night out but they aren't usually out til the wee hours of the morning and they don't go off with men.

R246 She was a hooker, rose.

^ It is if she's a drugged-out ho

I keep checking the gofundme. Someone donated 25000 DOLLARS!! Anonymously, of course.

SAAAAY! What about all those Russian models who fall out of tall buildings? Are they hookers too?

There are couples, married and unmarried, in which the female is an escort and the husband/boyfriend is complicit in varying degrees for various reasons. Generally it’s because the escort can make far better money than the immature husband/boyfriend, or they are on drugs and need the money, or the male genuinely enjoys the business manager/bodyguard role.

R246, no it’s not normal among the married women I know.

R251, absolutely. The husbands/boyfriends seem to be okay with it, but the women wind up dead at their hands.

Here’s another case that falls into the Gabby Petito, Alexis Sharkey pattern. There are many more, for sure.

She was 24 and an impulsive party girl. Not your typical housewife.

What about the Uber that Hilda Marcela called? Did it just sit outside the apartment building until it got tired of waiting? Did someone cancel the ride?

I've seen lesbian/bi women with a childhood history of abuse or early date rape become party girls after getting into coke. They look at men as cash registers.

"If he was her pimp, he'd be very stupid to bring this much attention to the case."

Why is he stupid? If they had a whore/pimp relationship, then he's lost a major source of income, but has made it up with a surprisingly successful Gofundme. There's nothing stupid about getting six figures for minimal effort!

And if you're worried about him getting in trouble for pimping out his now-dead wife, I seriously doubt the LA DA's office will file charges there. They'll be looking for much bigger crimes here.

Just catching up on this story. God it’s sad. Painful to think of all these clueless young women out there with no idea how vulnerable they really are. Glad I don’t have a daughter.

The term model is really used loosely these days.

R258, no kidding. She probably thought she was okay because she was with a friend and Cilliers could see where she was and her daddy taught her how to kill a man with a ballpoint pen.

But she was already drunk, and I think their judgment was in the toilet. .

Hopefully the police will take this seriously and the men who dumped the women will get scared and rat each other out like they did in the Comunale case.

Why does toxicology take so much longer for a dead person than a living one? I guess the living are a priority?

The mom sounds kind of delusional. I did drugs in my 20s but no way in hell would I have told my parents. The fact that she told her mom that she does only recreational drugs: cocaine, Molly, MDMA, whatever. Does the mom think that this was really the extent of it?

Also, able to kill a man with a ball-point pen? Yeah, right.

R262, Agreed. Problem for attractive, thin, young women doing drugs is the drug dealers and users with whom they come into contact aren't always the savory, safe types.

Stressing "thin" as they're physically more vulnerable. Many men think all they have to do is get a girl to drink/do drugs and then they can do anything they want to them no matter how rough it gets.

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Someone on Reddit made a comment that they were at the party and it had a bad, sleazy vibe.

So what happened with the Uber? Did the police find the driver?

I thought that emoji meant embarrassment, not fear.

If I wanted to emote “fear” or being sketched-out, I’d use:

😬😮😧😱

But that’s just me.

So where is the pron guy who lived in the apartment?

😳

This emoji looks kind of fearful, too. Again, though, enough with the fucking texting someone in the same damn room as you. Talk to each other, face to face, and GTFO of a dangerous situation. Call 911, since you have access to you goddamn phone. People are so addicted to texting.

R270 if you're in a room with someone that's scaring you, yeah, it makes more sense to text your friend than to say in front of everyone "Hey, this is creepy. Let's go"

Did the husband provide the texts to the DM? There is no date, the screenshots of the texts say "today," would he have gotten her phone back right away to be able to take screenshots the same day? Wouldn't the police want it?

When you change someone's name on your contacts list the name changes on old texts and calls. You can also change contact information via iCloud. I guess what I'm asking is, are we certain Hilda Marcela was the one in the kitchen doing lines and not Christy? Cilliers could have changed the names.

[quote]Cilliers said police were only able to link the two women's cases because Hilda shared her location with a third friend.

I wonder who this person is.

He seems nice

Get Drunk

Get High

Get Stupid

Some of the DM comments from R237:

[quote]Kind of strange that the husband couldn't reach his wife all day and then went walking in the woods with his dad where there was no cell service.

[quote]This odd fella doesn't seem to be too broken up about his "wife" dying just a few days prior. Especially after spending the night with 3 random guys! If that were me, I still wouldn't be able to communicate with anyone with any composure.

[quote]"Because my wife Christy is a corpse..." That is such an odd way of stating that. Honestly, This whole situation is off, including her husband. He talks very immaturely, but then he married a woman who was significantly younger (almost 20 years younger!) And if her body was already cold, she'd been dead for a while. Sad.

[quote]The husband has a kind of Svengali look about him. Wouldn't be surprised if...

[quote]He seems strangely calm and emotionally removed for someone who just lost his wife in such a manner. Red flag.

[quote]The hubbie has a record in Florida.

I didn't know about the record, can anyone verify this?

Tinfoil hats ahoy!! Can the websleuth fraus who think EVERYTHING is human trafficking take their meds?

Young and pretty foolish people meet some guys at a party. They left with them. Happens every damn day. Unfortunately, these guys happened to be scumbags.

Dave's IMDb is...interesting, and full of lies.

[quote]Modeled drugged and left dumped and dead at hospital

Apparently the English language was murdered right next to her.

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I think either a real bomb is about to drop, with a major celebrity involved in this case or something like that, or LAPD isn't taking this case serious at all as they've already falsified most of the husband's claims.

[quote] but didn't they release updates every few days about Gabby Petito?

She's no Gabby Petito.

[quote]r239 Where's the DLer who was obsessed with Burning Man in the heat exhaustion hiking couple threads?

What was decided about them, anyway? Did the baby kill them?

There was a mystery to the Gabby case. What's the mystery here? Young, impulsive women cross paths with scumbag. It's a pretty common tragedy.

The (almost certain) killer is a Hollywood poser with no career to speak of. His claim to fame is a photo op with Ron Jeremy in 2009.

What exactly was so mysterious about the Gabby Petito case? It was pretty much clear from the start that the boyfriend had killed her.

...(and a woman being killed by her partner is sadly a very common tragedy, certainly more common that a woman crossing path with a sinister semi-famous guy who drugs and kills her - IF that is what happened here)

[quote]r256 They look at men as cash registers.

Ironic, in a news story featuring a pimp husband.

R284 definitely not THAT mysterious, but she was missing and not immediately confirmed dead, though anyone thinking she'd be found alive was delusional. Plus, Gabby was the quintessential blonde. Missing blondes are big headlines.

[quote]they did get his DOB right: March 12, 1982

Wait, I'm almost certain that Christy posted on her twitter that her birthday was November 4th, and her husband's November 21st. From what I remember, one article also mentioned that she wanted to stay in LA for her husband's birthday before flying home to Alabama on the 22nd.

I might be wrong, but I usually have a pretty good memory for stuff like that.

...actually I think it wasn't in one of the articles that she said she would be staying in LA for her husband's birthday on the 21st; it was also on her twitter page. Unfortunately I can't verify it now since the privacy settings have been changed.

R285 A druggie hooker ending up dead/murdered is common as well.

I was in LA last week and stayed in a cheap motel off La Cienega right down the street from the apartment on Olympic where Ms. Giles phone was tracked.

That area is very gritty despite being on the border of Beverly Hills. Prostitution and homeless people abound.

We don't even know yet if she was murdered. Nothing has been confirmed at this point. I still think it could have been a tragic accident. What makes this case intriguing to me is the husband's behavior. It's understandable he's looking for someone to blame, and doesn't want to rely on LE, but this massive media campaign? Asking for 100k (!) on gofundme?

Grifter gonna grift.

This would made an excellent SVU episode (2 parts)

If you think this case is so boring and 'without mystery', why are you even here?

People wanted to locate Gabby’s boyfriend / killer and deliver mob justice. That was very exciting to some. His suicide brought it all to an anticlimactic end.

I don't think they were murdered. It was probably just fentanyl-laced drugs that caused them to stop breathing. Happens every day.

For me, the story is just interesting because everyone in it is so sleazy and, as the kids say, “sus”. The festival lifestyle, how they made any money (was she also in an MLM?), the sheer stupidity of youth.

There is no doubt in my mind that she was selling her body.

[quote] These people seemed to be counterculture fringe types

Based on what little I've read about her, I don't get a counterculture fringe vibe from her. She was 24 and in LA and right at the age to get into the swing of a party scene that is possibly the wildest in the country.

What really happened could be pretty unsatisfying. The girls could have bought their own drugs from a stranger at the warehouse party, gone to the afterparty and done their own lines in the kitchen while other people were doing their own drugs or just partying in the other room. It’s not that uncommon at afterparties for people to stick to what they brought themselves, for the sake of “safety”.

It turned out girls’ drugs were laced with fentanyl, which made them feel weird. Perhaps Chrissy needed to lie down and that’s why she texted Hilda to take her home. Hilda started feeling sick from from the lines as well and lied down with Chrissy. Others continued partying and let the girls chill until they felt better.

A couple of hours later the party was coming to an end, but the girls were still “sleeping” - that’s when the guys discovered that one of them OD’d and was dead while the other was barely alive. Not knowing what to do, they dropped them off at hospitals.

It could be as simple as that, but it’s not in husband’s best interest. For the sake of grifting on GoFundMe it’s better to make the case as mysterious as possible.

[quote]Prostitution and homeless people abound.

Huh. Prostitution Abounds just happens to be my drag name.

You’re right R288, his birthday is 11/21 (today!), at the time I was think they were at least closer to the right year of birth with him reported to be 40 and not twenty something.

quote]For me, the story is just interesting because everyone in it is so sleazy

It’s the opposite for me,R298, the story is only interesting to me because on the surface Hilda Marcela doesn’t seem sleazy.

Remember when Heather Mills “modeled”?

[quote] She was 24 and in LA and right at the age to get into the swing of a party scene that is possibly the wildest in the country.

Exactly. A fringe type. Your average woman doesn’t go to wild swing parties in LA and leave with strangers, especially when they’re married & being tracked by their husbands.

The only interesting thing here is how many names the Mexican architect has.

Architect/designer is commons names for what is hooker.

[quote] A 2013 lawsuit that Racked detailed was a result of a business partner feud and the eventual failure of the holding company of Melania’s heavily promoted skincare line that apparently never made it into stores.

[quote] A screenshot of the court deposition shows that an attorney asks Melania to please "explain to the Judge your formal education including what schools you attended and from which you graduated?"

[quote] "I attended and graduated from design school, from Fashion and Industrial Design School and also attended, graduated from architecture degree, bachelor degree," she (Melanie) responds.

——-

See? Is easy to pose as architect and design specialist

[quote] The only interesting thing here is how many names the Mexican architect has.

Latinos who were actually born in Latin America all seem to have four names: first name#1, first name#2, last name inherited from mother, last name inherited from father (or the other way round, I'm not sure)

Why are people baffled by this case? People party, od and then get dropped off at the hospital by strangers/scumbags quite often. The only unusual thing about it is that they were dumped by someone with the foresight to remove plates from the car.

IIRC, she was from Alabama and, maybe, she was just out of her depth at the club and the party.

R305, well, I agree that the whole married part is odd, but young people attending wild parties is not fringe. Maybe in Alabama, but not LA.

To whomever keeps making the “human trafficking” comments, you must not know any young women. Not every young female who turns to prostitution is kidnapped or coerced, sometimes it’s a gradual slide due to an incremental relaxing of standards and principles. Many are women without resources, but not all.

I had a friend who went to a top-notch university and was signed with a prestigious modeling agency in NYC. As she aged into her mid-twenties, work was scarce. She became a stripper and eventually had ‘patrons’, older men who would buy things for her like furniture sets, jewelry, electronics, cruises, and tuition to an art school. Many of the ladies she worked with did the same thing, and from there it’s an easy slide into becoming an escort. One of the gals was the daughter of a university dean. Another two were former Marines. All of these women had other options to make money but they were young and didn’t want to be tied down to a 9 to 5. They enjoyed the lifestyle while it lasted and most eventually got married and had kids.

" I understand LE can't say too much because it's an ongoing investigation, but didn't they release updates every few days about Gabby Petito?"

Petito was "missing" for ages, and the police wanted to get the word out, in the hopes that she might be found. Well, she was found, but the story stayed in the news for weeks afterwards because the killer BF also went missing, and there was a second hunt! Nothing like the thrill of the chase to get people interested!

And this poor gal never made the headlines until she was dead. And it's true, the likeliest explanation is an overdose of recreational drugs, with the second-likeliest being date-rape drugs on top of party drugs. No conspiracy, no human trafficking, just "partying".

R311, she had been living in LA since at least 2016, probably 2015, and was familiar with 'party drugs'. We're not talking about a clueless babe in the woods here.

[quote]she had been living in LA since at least 2016, probably 2015, and was familiar with 'party drugs'. We're not talking about a clueless babe in the woods here.

She wasn't very successful as a model then, seeing as nobody outside of the LA party scene had ever heard of her. She was obviously making money through other "avenues".

She probably couldn't live off her modeling work (at least not comfortably), but she was represented by an established modeling agency, and I'm guessing had just enough connections to get invited to industry parties/fancy clubs where she'd cross paths with wealthy guys looking for 'entertainment'. As R313 said, it probably was a gradual slide from full-time modeling (or trying to book modeling jobs) into escorting. She saw a roommate suck cock for money and make it seem glamourous and 'empowered'. By the time the realization set in that she wasn't going to hit it big as a model, she'd probably met dozens of girls doing the same.

Not sure how the husband fits in ... maybe he got turned on by it? I'm getting cuckold vibes from him.

Ms Giles got the news that her daughter was at the hospital when her son-in-law, who was in San Fransisco for the weekend, was desperately trying to reach his wife all day following the party, and he noticed that the location of her phone had moved from West Hollywood to the Culver City hospital.

“He then immediately called the Culver City hospital. All they would do was confirm she was a patient in their emergency room. He then immediately called me. I’m a registered nurse. I spoke to them – I knew what they needed,” said Ms Giles.

“They told me that ‘this was not normal for them, and that three unidentified men had dropped her lifeless body on the sidewalk’ and when her husband called they thought it could be one of them calling back and they weren’t giving any information out. ...

Okay that answers some of my questions. But I still don’t understand how the hospital told anyone anything, even Christy’s mother. The police should have been involved at that point - a dead woman left on a footpath is almost certainly suspicious, and once they saw she was dumped there, it’s a criminal matter.

R317, he doesn’t seem to have any feeling about his wife leaving a party with two men and going to an apartment with them. He strikes me as one of those pickup artist dudes who “negs” attractive women who are deeply insecure.

Instagram has threatened to remove her account for 'violationg our community guidelines'. Looks like hubby will have to delete all those tasteful nudes ...

The hospital should have directed anyone who called about her to contact the police. She was already dead on arrival and the hospital didn't really provide any treatment. It's entirely a police matter at that point.

The type of people who flock to these types of threads are almost more disturbing than the crimes themselves.

No way. If I worked at the hospital and someone called asking about a DOA that was dumped in the parking lot I’d ask them for their name, their number and their address and I’d tell them if she shows up, we will get in touch. Then I’d hand the information to the police. You have no idea who’s calling. It could be anyone claiming to be a spouse. Police will formally ID the victim & contact next of kin precisely because it is a police matter.

I don't think ER personnel are formally trained in what to do if someone drops a dead body in the ambulance bay, it doesn't happen often enough.

As noted many times, most people who want to get rid of dead bodies throw them in rivers or dumpsters, or if they're in LA, the Angeles National Forest. I've heard that's the semi-official body dumping ground, the west coast equivalent of the Jersey Pine Barrens.

R324, must be pretty stupid ER staff if they can’t figure out they need to call the police when someone dumps a DOA on the footpath and drives away. Unattended deaths require an investigation by the ME. I’m not even a doctor and I know that. Was it just a bunch of high school dropouts staffing the ER that night?

[quote]I don't think ER personnel are formally trained in what to do if someone drops a dead body in the ambulance bay, it doesn't happen often enough.

It does happen. I used to work in an inner-city trauma center. We'd get gang-bangers that had been shot, who would be shoved out of a car at the entrance, and then the car would speed away. Some were DOA, others were treated and survived. We would joke and say this person was a VIP who arrived by private car.

Maybe her medical records had her parents listed as emergency contact rather than the sketchy husband, and that’s why they were contacted first.

It’s hard to know a dead body is married.

R327, good points. The dumpers were considerate enough to leave her wallet/phone/purse with her body. Otherwise she’d be a Jane Doe until the husband tracked her down.

Two things I never heard of before: balaclava and snuff porn. I googled the former. I can live without knowing about the latter.

I’m curious to know if Dave Pearce’s number eas in the phones of the victims. According to several comments, he would grab women’s phones and put his number in their contacts and label it “Dave my husband”. He sounds like a piece of shit.

[quote] Why are people baffled by this case?

There are [italic]a lot[/italic] of flyover, square fraus on this thread. Going out to them means going to Sunday church or Hobby Lobby, if at all.

[quote] Two things I never heard of before: balaclava and snuff porn.

Oh Aunt Bea, you go on up to bed now and leave this sort of thing to the professionals. Me and Barney don’t want you gettin upset over something that don’t concern you. Go on now - take Opie with you and I’ll lock up the house real good & tight.

Well, at least R329 Googled instead of asking, in this thread: What's snuff porn, what's a balaclava.

[quote] he fact that she told her mom that she does only recreational drugs: cocaine, Molly, MDMA, whatever.

Damn, that little girl was partying like a young gay man.

R334 she kind of led her entire life like a gay man. Married but in an open marriage, lots of partying, lots of drug use, semi-popular instagram naked posts, probably some kind of sex work or porn, an oddly close relationship with an "extra" mom

And how many of us made decisions when we were drunk or high that could've ended VERY badly for us if we'd been in the company of a psycho? I know I did.

R335, I'm glad she actually lived a little in her short life. She also had some gumption -- moving away, on her own, to the city from Alabama.

What century do some of you live in? Young women have been encouraged to 'party' and experiment sexually for the last few decades. Maybe not in Bumfucke Alabama, but certainly in liberal areas. Women have also been selling their bodies since the dawn of times.

The only really unusual thing about this girl's lifestyle was that she got married at 21.

R322 Don't be all high and mighty, if people wouldn't be interested in cases like this, there would be no real crime shows.

And yes, there's mystery here. It might be totally different than the Gabby Pepito case, because Christie and Hilda are different women than her, but still... two attractive young women suddenly turn up (half) dead at a hospital. Of course it garners interest what happened here and if someone is responsible for this. Were they regular party girls? Did they slowly slide into doing escorting, sex work, whatever? How does the husband fit in? Did they go to the "after party", because of one ill-advised, possibly drunk decision? Or did they have a habit of going with strange, sleazy men? Did they accidentally OD with fentanyl laced drugs? Were they forced to take the drugs by their sleazy company? If they were killed, will the guys go scot free or will it all come to light and they'll go to jail?

People keep focusing on Christy, Hilda is the one who interests me because of her education, background and career ambition. On the surface the two of them look like opposites and Hilda only moved to the U.S. from Mexico this past summer so how would they have met, etc?

2 massive red flags that ensure Creepy Dave is fucked.

The neighbor said they heard painful moans all day, but the bodies weren't dumped until the evening.

The girls were dumped at separate hospitals 2 hours apart.

[quote]His number is 310.613.DAVE. Jesus. What a cheese dick.

I think the Daily Mail might be working on an exclusive story about Dave Pearce. On one of the pages linked upthread where people discuss his alleged crimes, someone with an @dailymail.com email address replied to almost all of the comments asking for further information about him.

R335, who was the “extra mom”?

R340, I think she’s interesting, too. Even if she had a legit career, she may have enjoyed earning extra cash doing sex things or having a sugar daddy. How did they meet? The two other cases that are similar to this (in my mind) have young influencer women meeting their “best friends” via Bumble BFF or similar apps for making friends. It seems extremely sketchy and a breeding ground for predatory people. These women move to areas where they don’t know anyone amd that’s how they meet people. I don’t know how Hilda and Christy met, but I would be surprised if they *didn’t* meet that way.

R344, One thing I noticed is that tons of people have posted tributes to Christy on instagram, but I've seen VERY few posts mentioning Hilda, or showing the two girls together. It really doesn't look like they knew each other very well. And there's another thing. As I have mentioned before, the last tweets on Christy's (now private) twitter account sounded like she wasn't in a good place mentally. In one post she actually complained about having lost friends, or old friends not reaching out anymore or something like that. Leaving aside the theories about prostitution etc., she sounded exactly like the kind of girl who'd cling to, and go out to party with someone she'd only just met.

Coke friends?

[quote]r338 It might be totally different than the Gabby Pepito case, because Christie and Hilda are different women than her…

Gabby just sounds like a loser to me - wispy blonde wannabe youtuber who can’t get it together enough to leave her abusive, slacker boyfriend.

At least Christy lived a little, and landed a FEW legit modeling jobs (allegedly)

I don’t think she was a hooker. She went out with friends, met some guys who knew of a party and had drugs so they went.

She and her husband are a little hippy dippy Burning Man types who party with whomever. So, for her to party without her husband is not too strange, as it’s their lifestyle. He probably keeps tabs on her because he knows their world can be iffy sometimes and she’s a free-spirited beauty whom he loves.

This is just my opinion.

This story is the younger generation's version of Looking for Mr. Goodbar.

I think she was a hooker/escort of the semi-upscale variety, but I don't think she died on the job.

R348 we've been overrun by conspiracy nuts and old ladies who think only hookers go out to clubs and parties

Please, nobody thinks she was a hooker just because she went out clubbing. You sound like a 14-year-old who just got invited to their first party, and thinks everyone else is out of touch.

Christy was a little-known model with so many nude/semi nude photos on her instagram page that instagram threatened to remove her account. Few of her photos show her modeling actual clothes (or perfume, jewellery) with a designer/brand name tagged. She posted some full-frontal nudes on twitter (nothing pornographic though). Most of the photographers she worked with were fairly unknown with less than 10k followers.

Modeling doesn't pay that much unless you're A-list and get to work for famous brands, and it doesn't look like she was booked for 'real' modeling very often. I don't see how she could have sustained her lifestyle unless the had a lucrative side job. A lot of models do some escorting on the side. You also have to be somewhat open to the idea of sex work to let a porn actor move into your apartment.

Obviously none of that proves that she was a hooker, escort, or whatever you like to call it, but it's not much of a reach to think she might have been.

I think r351 underestimates how much quid pro quo happens between attractive women and horny men. It’s not exactly strict prostitution, but there’s a lot of gray area. To paraphrase an old Paul Theroux novel, plenty of girls would do plenty of things for a pair of pretty boots or a weekend in Ibiza.

R345, that’s interesting. I didn’t see any of her actual social media.

I don’t know if it’s a generation thing, but it seems the apps are a shortcut to an Instagram-ready group of friends. I wasn’t aware of it until rather recently.

It seems to be a bad idea to move to another part of the country and throw your lot in with a weird dude who tracks your every move and try to be an influencer on social media. Winds up being fatal quite often.

"[R348] we've been overrun by conspiracy nuts and old ladies who think only hookers go out to clubs and parties"

Nobody thinks she was a hooker because she partied, modeled, and "modeled", people think she was a hooker because she seemed to be living beyond her means.

Can someone explain why toxicology reports for dead people take so long to complete? Are the tests that time-consuming, or is it because of backlog, under-staffed labs etc.?

If you exchange physical affection for material items, drugs or cash, you’re a whore darlin’.

[bold]There was a third girl.[/bold]

Most of the conversation in this thread is about Christy Giles but her friend is the one who interests me. I mentioned up thread that Hilda Marcela's parents call her Marcela.

11/23/2021 (Univision via Google Translate):

[quote]LOS ANGELES, California .- Hilda Marcela Cabrales struggles to survive almost 10 days after being abandoned at the entrance of a Los Angeles hospital, on the brink of death. Meanwhile, hundreds of people began collecting signatures, demanding an FBI investigation into the case.

[quote]"We demand a prompt investigation into the case of the young Duran woman Hilda Marcela Cabrales Arzola #NiUnaMas coverage of expenses and protection of her family," reads a campaign on the Change.org platform that this Monday accumulated more than 300 signatures.

[quote]The secrecy on the part of the local authorities is constant. It is only known that there is an ongoing investigation and that the local investigations verify each piece of information shared by the women in the early morning of November 13, when in the middle of a party they agreed to join an “after party” celebration that ended very badly.

[quote]Preliminary reports said Marcela, Christy and another woman were at a party at Soho House in Los Angeles, where the former is said to have met a man who invited them to a party in the Hollywood Hills.

[quote]The third woman, who asked local media not to be identified, assures that she was with Cabrales and Giles until 4:00 in the morning of Saturday 13 and described that both acted consistently.

[quote]Christy Gils was pronounced dead at the Southern California hospital, while Hilda Marcela remains in critical condition, with stable vital signs, but an uncertain future. Her parents pray for a miracle , so that their daughter does not suffer brain death.

R358 the third girl has been mentioned before. And of course, Creepy Dave said he'd take them to a party in the Hills only to take them to his shitty apartment in Beverly Hills-adjacent.

R356, California takes their sweet precious time.

Reminds me of the case where the actress who played Angie on Welcome Back Kotter was found unconscious & bleeding in a Long Island Railroad car. She was taken to the hospital I worked at and was treated HORRIBLY by the media. She was a crime victim and they laughed at her and made her out to be a slut. She had been invited to spend the weekend in Southampton with producer Roy Radin & his girlfriend. She was drugged, raped and it was filmed. She was dumped on the train by someone. Radin claimed she was a willing sex partner in a threesome or something like that. Media believed Radin. There were so many photographers and video camera men outside the hospital waiting to take her picture. We tried to sneak her out in a nurse’s uniform but they recognized her.

Radin was latermurdered.

This whole case is so odd. It's been almost two weeks, the name of one of the alleged perpetrators is all over social media, a neighbor allegedly heard 'moaning' from his apartment, but still no update/comment from authorities? All we know is what the husband and family are thinking. None of their claims have been confirmed as far as I'm aware. Were the girls raped? Is there really a surveillance tape showing 3 masked men dumping Christy's body at the hospital? Do the girls' final text messages say what the husband claims they say? Surely some of those questions could be answered by now?

WHY DOES SHE HAVE HER ASS OUT ON INSTAGRAM

Is her instagram still there?

She posed that way and was partying at a Soho House (or was it a warehouse party? I’m confused about the reporting and perhaps that is intentional) and her husband was tracking her whereabouts. Sounds like sex work to me.

Soho House scene sounds sleazy and shady.

Yes, it's still there, R364. Her most recent post was deleted though, I'm guessing because of a few VERY harsh comments (lots of slut shaming, and someone called her 'yet another liberal she/her whore who deserved to die' or something like that). Tbh I was shocked those comments didn't get reported and deleted; some were worse than what you read here on DL and that's saying something.

Tired of hearing about these murdered middle class white Jezebels. That Gabbie Laundry list drama was the last straw.

We need Law enforcement to pay attention to the intersection of race and class!

It was in all likelihood an OD. Probably fentanyl laced stuff. This speculation reminds me of the 500 plus posts ( some absurdly outlandish) in a thread about that California family who succumbed to heat exhaustion. The simplest explanation is usually the right one.

R368 yes, but was a deliberate OD or not? I don't buy the QAnon-esque sex worker/human trafficking BS, but the neighbor saying they heard painful moans all day and that the girls were dumped at separate hospitals makes me think that Creepy Dave meant to rape them, or even meant to rape them A LOT, but didn't meant to kill them.

But he probably could've avoided the murder charges incoming if he dumped them when they started moaning.

If they were raped - or even if it were consensual - it would be noted in an exam or autopsy. We might not ever know the answer, but the authorities probably know.

What I wonder is, if there were people doing lines in the kitchen, did they OD, too?

And the report of someone moaning in pain - was it a man or a woman? Wouldn’t it be more or less evident?

Note that the husband said about the Hilda's toxicology results, 'I GUESS they found heroin in her system'. So he doesn't even know for sure. Maybe it was Fentanyl. Christy's mother also mentioned trace amounts of cocaine and something else I forgot (ecstasy?).

[quote] That Gabbie Laundry list drama

That whole Gabby Petito/Brian Laundrie debacle was so mundane and [italic]so[/italic] Middle America. No wonder it resonated so deeply with fraus.

So the apartment where Christy spent her final hours belongs to one Dave Pearce, said Dave Pearce has been accused of drugging and raping women before, a neighbor heard suspicious 'moaning' from the apartment, there are text messages suggesting the girls were trying to leave, and Dave Pearce and his friends, or someone working for them, dumped the girls (one dead, one barely alive) at different hospitals two hours apart using a car without license plates .... yet nobody has been arrested, and the case has completely disappared from the headlines? Something doesn't add up.

Dave Pearce just sounds like some wannabe poseur, I'm not buying that he's being 'protected'.

R372, overdosing on fentanyl is what's mundane these days.

The police/medical examiner probably don't know what the cause of death is yet. They obviously are suspecting drug overdose and waiting for toxicology. They are not going to arrest anyone if the death hasn't even been determined to be a homicide yet.

Exactly what I think, too, r375.

I still want to know if anyone confirmed that Marcela called an Uber. And if anyone else got sick from the same drugs the women took. And if the person reportedly “moaning in pain for hours” sounded like a man or a woman.

Last night I watched the documentary about the rise and fall of Von Dutch. It reminded me of this story. There were so many sleazy and predatory trashy people. We kept laughing at how depraved and scummy they all were. And how utterly stupid.

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R377, such a waste. It might be for the best. A good outcome was infinitesimal, after being comatose like that.

Now that two women are dead, will police bother investigating?

R377, I had my doubts police were doing anything at all, but according to Hilda's father, the investigation is very much active.

[quote]'The detectives have spoken with us several times and they told us that for the LAPD this is personal because the people behind this have done it before but it had never gone as far as this,' he confirmed. 'The police opened an emergency line and have apparently been speaking with people but have asked us to be patient while they put the case together,' Rivera continued. 'The detectives told us they're indignant that these guys had the chance to save Hilda and Christy's lives but preferred to abandon them to their luck.'

[quote] LAPD this is personal because the people behind this have done it before but it had never gone as far as this,'

I wonder what that means.

The petition 'JUSTICIA PARA HILDA MARCELA' on change.org, demanding the Mexican ambassador put pressure on US authorities to thoroughly investigate this case, has been signed over 7500 times.

R379, thanks for sharing that. Good.

R380, I think that Pearce’s sleazy behavior landed on just this side of “legal”. Probably would have hinged on “he said/she said”. The women he preyed upon were probably young and perhaps easily discredited or written off. It happened here: “that’s what happens when you go home with a stranger”, shit like that. Date rape drugs clear the system quickly, too. By the time someone is able to get tested, it’s too late.

This is probably the first incident where there’s enough evidence to do something.

[quote] I had my doubts police were doing anything at all

Why? Because they haven’t been updating you?

[quote] It’s been almost two weeks…..but still no update/comment from authorities?

Too funny to see people whining in this thread that they haven’t heard any updates from police. Well, hate to tell you, but a case involving a dead and a wounded young woman which has been well publicized isn’t considered by police to be entertainment for nosy old fraus. They’re quite happy to carry on their investigations without giving press conferences.

Maybe, self-righteous cunt at R383, people were confused because it sounded like the case had pretty much been solved? Also, Christy Giles' family didn't seem to have much trust the police would do their job. They launched a gofundme to pay for private investigators TWO days after her death, and the interviews the gave, and what they posted on social media made it sound like LAPD were treating it as yet another overdose!

[quote]Well, hate to tell you, but a case involving a dead and a wounded young woman which has been well publicized isn’t considered by police to be entertainment for nosy old fraus.

What are you doing on this thread? Trying to make the world a better place by educating people on police work, and protecting the dead from nosy old fraus? Sure, cunt. Get back on your high horse and ride off into the sunset.

[quote]and what they posted on social media made it sound like LAPD were treating it as yet another overdose!

Because that’s most likely what it is.

Idk, R386. At first I thought the husband and families were in denial about the girls' drug use; I even suspected Cilliers of having made up parts of the story he told. But with all that's come out about Dave Pearce, it seems likely there was foul play involved. Likely not premediated murder or some kind of crazy snuff porn scenario, but a case of date-rape drugging gone terribly wrong.

...obviously date-rape drugging is *always* wrong; I meant that the guys accidentally gave them too much (or the stuff turned out to be laced) , panicked when the girls overdosed and instead of attempting to save them, tried to cover their tracks.

R388 Yes, I'm leaning towards such a scenario too. Either the girls took drugs from the guys, that were (unbeknownst to them and maybe even the men) laced with fentanyl or something, which lead to an accidental overdose. Or they were given drugs they'd usually not take for date rape purposes. I don't think anyone planned to kill those young women, driving them to a hospital afterwards just wouldn't make sense in that case. There are better ways to dispose of corpses. Maybe the men realised something was wrong the next morning, but didn't immediately bring the girls to a hospital (hence the moaning), because they hoped they'd get better on their own after sleeping it off and nobody would get in trouble.

Were there any sign of fluids, ligature marks, are bruising on the inner thighs?

You KNOW there had to be spermicide left from a condom.

R390, I don't know about Hilda, but one article mentioned that no bruises or scratches were found on Christy's body.

Yet the neighbor claims he overheard someone moaning in pain. Is it possible to rape someone, so violently as to make them moan in pain (for hours!), without leaving any visible injuries? Was there no or very little bruising, bleeding etc. because she was already dead? Did they only rape Hilda?

It's all very weird.

Christy Giles' mother liked this post on instagram. The family doesn't seem to trust LAPD at all.

[quote]Also guilty: the Beverly Hills & Los Angeles Police Departments for dereliction of duty (at best) in failing to lock this guy up years ago. He was arrested 5 times over 10 years, most recently, this summer. The LAPD also allows rampant drug use & other bad behavior by celebrities in exchange for favors (being invited to their sex parties, for example). Apparently laws do not apply if you are rich or famous .... #lapdiscorrupt

Interestingly, Hilda Cabrales' father seems to have more confidence police will do their job (quote from a DM article):

[quote]'The detectives have spoken with us several times and they told us that for the LAPD this is personal because the people behind this have done it before but it had never gone as far as this,' he confirmed. 'The police opened an emergency line and have apparently been speaking with people but have asked us to be patient while they put the case together,' Rivera continued. 'The detectives told us they're indignant that these guys had the chance to save Hilda and Christy's lives but preferred to abandon them to their luck.'

R391 I guess there are a number of reasons why the neighbour might have heard moaning that don't necessarily involve rape or injuries caused by rape. I don't know how ecactly a fentanyl or other drug overdose looks like, but if your body is barely holding on, then I'm sure moaning is possible. Maybe LAPD is holding some information back, but if you're half dead from being raped, then yeah, your body would show signs. And if you can't say if the victim had consensual sex or not, then I guess that alone wouldn't cause you to moan in pain for a day and then die. So I'm pretty sure the main aspect here is drug use. The question is if that was voluntary on the women's part or not. Or whatever there is in between (e.g. voluntarily taking coke, but unfortunately coming across laced stuff), then it's all about who knew and did it on purpose etc.

R392 Depending on what might have happened a bereaved parent could be prone to not being satisfied with what LAPD is doing, because the explanation might not feel sufficient enough for the tragedy that happened. The post stated drug use and bad behaviour as problems, but while I'm sure the former is sometimes turned a blind eye to, if celebs are involved, the latter is not exactly punishable by law. What even is bad behaviour? Having sleazy parties with shady women? Perfecly legal. Parties with sex workers? Not sure how laws are in California regarding that, in my country it would be legal as well. Rape? Definitely a crime. So... feels it could be anything and if they are at least half-clever then they know how to keep it on the sleazy, but legal side of things.

By the pictures of his apartment and the fact that I've never heard his name before (and his claim to fame is a Ron Jeremy photo from 2009), I'm gonna say Creepy Dave is neither rich nor famous

But the police won’t tell meeeeee what’s going onnnnn!

[quote]I don't know how ecactly a fentanyl or other drug overdose looks like, but if your body is barely holding on, then I'm sure moaning is possible.

A fentanyl or opioid overdose causes a person to feel euphoric and relaxed, then you fall asleep and stop breathing.

R395, lol. Yeah, good luck with that. The LAPD (and all huge city police departments, really) has never exactly been forthcoming about the details of their investigations with the public and press.

Was there a massage table and disco ball at the rave?

Asking for a friend

Y'all I don't care about this case at alllllll, my cunt just needs a break from masturbating to my own reflection! Ouuuuch!

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I find the whole thing even more confusing now. So according to the anonymous 3rd friend, those guys were twice the age of the other party guests, didn't fit in, acted weird and obnoxious and eventually got kicked out of the VIP area were Hilda and Christy were hanging out, yet the girls ended up leaving with them and got in their car. Why? How? The husband said Hilda might have been attracted to one of the guys, but the friend doesn't think that was the case.

The only scenario I can think of is that ... well, they were offered drugs. And if they were desperate enough to get into a car with a bunch of much older, shady, obnoxious strangers, they must have been deeper into drugs than hubby wants to admit.

R401, I agree. What enticed the women away from the “event” (where they were having fun)? Money, drugs or sex?

[quote] What enticed the women away from the “event” (where they were having fun)? Money, drugs or sex?

Weren't they under the impression they were going to an after-party up in the Hollywood Hills? I'd say that sounds pretty glamorous and cool for most mid-20somethings; especially ones not from LA.

This story reminded me of Kim Kardashian being robbed by masked men in Paris. That was a situation... thank God she came out relatively unscathed.

R404, you know that was bullshit, right?

[quote]Weren't they under the impression they were going to an after-party up in the Hollywood Hills? I'd say that sounds pretty glamorous and cool for most mid-20somethings; especially ones not from LA.

Yes, that's what the husband said. Dave Pearce et al. might have offered Christy and Hilda a ride to that party. But even if they did, WHY on earth was that offer accepted? Why would two young women get into a car with a bunch of weird, irritating strangers who were just kicked out of the club's VIP area? Why would they believe those guys were invitated to the afterparty? And how did they end up leaving with a group of people that were kicked out of 'their' part of the club? It also sounds like the girls had already made arrangements to get to the afterparty. At least it wasn't a spontaneous idea to go there. From one of the DailyMail articles:

[quote]At 5:36am a friend called Eddie who was at the official afterparty the girls had planned to go to texted Christy: 'Where you at?'

Something doesn't add up imo.

R403, that’s right. I wonder what the premise was, for taking them to that apartment instead. Detour for getting g more drugs? I’m guessing they were a bit stranded, which is why Hilda Marcela called an Uber.

Which brings me to the question I keep asking: did she actually order an Uber? What happened when they didn’t come out and get in the car, if she did? There’d be a record of that, right?

From what I recall, Christy Giles' mother said the Uber did show up at the address, waited 5 - 10 minutes, then left when nobody came out of the house.

Thanks, r408!

Hollywood

Killed by an extra. How embarrassing.

What can those three idiots possibly gain by drugging them? Have sex with an unconscious woman?

Lowlife fucks

Arrested!! The Dave character is being held on manslaughter with a million dollar bail.

The shithole they died in.

Good. But I still want to know why the girls agreed to leave with those shady dudes. I'm not buying that they simply accepted a ride to the after party. The third friend who left early pretty much described Pearce and his friends as walking red flags; they were kicked out of the VIP area of the club. Yet it appears Hilda and Christy went with them willingly. If they were forced into the car, or already incapacitated, surely there would have been witnesses.

What happened after the third friend left?

That apartment doesn't look big enough to hold 5 people at one time. Two guys were supposedly living there? It seems mighty small for that too, unless they were sleeping in the same bed. The clutter is pretty unbelievable too. Years' worth of dust. Very, very odd. Pearce had not paid rent during the pandemic, and had been allegedly moving his stuff out over a period of weeks before the deaths. Maybe he was actually subletting to Osborne, and living someplace else. Still, it doesn't look exactly glamorous enough to be able to use to take your new gal pals back for a late evening. It's obviously not a place where anybody conducted a home life, it's just a crash pad, towels on the windows instead of curtains, the lunar-level dust, etc. Creepy. Those girls must have been offered something MIGHTY enticing for them to have willingly entered that man-cave.

The suspects look somewhat hot

^Who snapped those photos of the 2 guys leaving that bldg, and how did the Sun get hold them, I wonder? And re the photo of the 2 girls at the club: there is a 3rd lady's hand on the right side of the pic, so she has obviously been cropped out of this image. So was this photo taken at the club the night of their deaths? It seems the 2 girls who died had not known each other well or long before the night they were poisoned. Hilda is looking *mighty* tarty in the club shot, compared to the other photos that the family has supplied. Her facial expression is pretty whorish compared to the demure beauty in the family's photos of her, she looks like a completely different creature.

From time to time there are threads about how beneath the sunshine there's a dark undercurrent to LA... a kind of menace in the air. This story fits with that. If it's as simple as a date rape drugging gone bad, that could happen anywhere, but in LA it's always complicated by huge amount of thwarted ambition and broken dreams.

Depending on where you lived, LA was a very menacing place in the 90s. The violent crime rate was sky high.

Osborn had been talking to friends about dumping the bodies:

[quote]dumped and dead

Illiterate English can be so ass-backwards. Adds spice and absurdity to horror.

The other day Clare Foy (the Queen in The Crown Clare Foy) gave an interview after a three year hiatus and among the things she said was "we need people to stop killing and raping us." It really stayed with me. At the root of this story is a fundamental disregard for... decency? women? life? I don't know but it seems to me, in terms of society, there is more that is wrong with us than there has been since before we were civilized. From guys like this to politicians embracing lying... it's a free for all and it's pretty scary, as, probably, will be the pendulum swinging back, if it does.

^In that story, Osborn is quoted telling an acquaintance exactly what happened. The girls OD'd. He came back the next a.m. from getting a Covid test for a job, and Cristy was dead. He helped Pearce drop the body at the hospital, then they came back and found that Hilda was near death, so they delivered her to the Kaiser Hospital. No mention of how Anspach was involved in this or if he was still at the apartment at this time...These guys are living the lives of guys in their 20s, they are WAY too old to be living this kind of lifestyle...The Post goes to the apartment bldg and finds the black Prius that was apparently used to dump the 2 bodies: "Five days after the bodies were discovered, The Post visited Pearce’s Los Angeles apartment and saw what appeared to be a black Prius — with California license plates — parked in a garage on the property. The car was partially hidden by the half-closed garage door."

I don't know about you but I think talking about dumping the bodies was a mistake.

Agreed, Rose, but if the girls' bodies show no signs of sexual assault, it will bolster the boys' story that the ladies basically just put themselves to sleep with some bad drugs...The worst the guys would face would be abandoning someone who was in dire need of medical attention (and they DID at least deliver them to the emergency rooms), rather than murder or manslaughter. The NEXT question would then become, why were the ladies overcome by the high toxicity of whatever treats they were sampling, but not the boys? Didn't the ladies want to share, was it a "bring your own drugs" party? How did THAT happen? It'll come down to what the toxicology report shows.

^I.e. did the ladies' bodies contain traces of any kind of date-rape drug?

R426...that's quite the generous interpretation. At the least, it's manslaughter. They might not have raped them because they OD'd. Who wants to rape someone having a seizure? Probably someone, but who knows if they did?

The girls wanted to leave around 5:30a, per their texts. The first girl was dumped 12 hours later and neighbors reported hearing painful moans all day. And rather than dump the girls together, they held the second girl for another 2 hours. Might she have lived if they dumped them at the same time? I'm not a doctor so who knows.

I'm also not a lawyer but it seems like these guys are pieces of shit and they are FUCKED.

I've never met them personally but I know so many of these types in LA. They live in a shitbox closet in "the right neighborhood" and despite being in LA for years, their careers are pathetic. The one guy was arrested while working as an EXTRA.

R426 leaving an anonymous dead body on the sidewalk outside a hospital isn't delivering them to the emergency room

These fucking girls need to take responsibility for themselves. Yes, the guys fucking suck. But I'm sure the girls took the drugs, went to hang out with these guys, and fucking OD'd. These miserable guys had no responsibility to take the girls to the hospital or call 911. Yes, they SHOULD have, but these women should have been more careful.

I think the women were meeting up for some bi-curious exploration (Christy looks lez in that party photo!). I think Hilda Marcela was living a double life and maybe sowing some wild oats that her family didn’t know about. The guys promised them some crazy drugs at their place and talked them out of the party.

The men are pathetic losers. And now they’re in deep shit.

"The whores deserved it! Free these innocent men!"

Keep in mind that one of the three is a cameraman to give you an indication of the shady lowlife douchebags behind the scenes

I can't imagine being so brain dead that my idea of small talk would be "Hey, I contributed to the death of two women. What a night!"

Of course it also explains why after so many years in LA, he was still working as an extra

Yeah, but figure this - The most intelligent educated woman Hilda is the one that ended up DEAD.

R435 they're both dead. How many of us made decisions when we were drunk or high (especially when we were young) that could've ended VERY badly if we'd been in the company of a psycho? I know I did.

R436. You're 100% right. They made bad decisions. They weren't murdered, they just made really bad decisions.

R437 I'm not a lawyer, but it seems like it's definitely manslaughter or negligent homicide. The girls were making plans to leave at 5:30a. They weren't dumped until the next night. I can't imagine ignoring (at the very least) someone dying in your home is legal.

Any DL legal beagles care to weigh in?

Somebody is going to have to prove that one of the guys gave them a drug mix that killed them (PROVIDED there is no evidence of sexual assault, at which point the guys would get charged with murder/ manslaughter). If no sexual assault evidence, then they can certainly fight this out in court, point the finger at each other, simply blame the girls themselves, and see what happens. Since neither guy had any sign of drug toxicity (apparently), it seems fairly likely the guys slipped them something to knock them out and it killed them. I'm still perplexed by the neighbor's report of moaning coming from the apt for hours, though. There must be a lot of evidence the police are keeping mum about, or the neighbor is just bullshitting to seem important. If the guys slipped the girls something to knock them out for hours, how could someone have been moaning? It doesn't make sense.

[quote] Good. But I still want to know why the girls agreed to leave with those shady dudes.

They were young, probably drunk, and probably high. A combination that does not inspire confidence in good decision-making on Saturday nights.

R438 - if you gave them the drugs, then yes, you have all responsibility for what happens in the aftermath. If someone comes to your house and OD's on their own stuff, I don't know what the law is. It's kind of like that last Seinfeld episode, and the legal duty to rescue - it's a new development in the law in the US, some states impose such an obligation nowadays, and others don't. I don't know about CA although it does have a comparatively liberal legal system. The situation is compounded by the fact that it happened in the defendants' own home in the present case. And again, the tale of the moaning is important, it definitely adds a lot to the question of what was going on in that place. And we have indications that Pearce is a messed-up, bad dude from reports re his past.

All 3 of those guys werent bad looking. Their game must really suck if they have to drug bitches to sleep with them.

If the drugs belonged to the girls, why would the creeps have been so afraid to call 911? Not to mention the shitty attempt to dump the bodies a day later.

^Because they had drugs of their own to worry about... I am NOT convinced the gals weren't poisoned, there is just not a clear story of how this all went down. For the neighbor's story to make sense about the moaning, Pearce (and maybe Osborn) must have been fucking these ladies (or, conceivably, torturing them) for quite a while, and THEN the ladies both died of overdoses. That seems somewhat unlikely to me, for it to have happened to 2 women at around the same time, hours later than their arrival at the apartment. It's still a confused story, despite seeming fairly straightforward.

All fucking 5 of them had no common sense.

[quote] These guys are living the lives of guys in their 20s, they are WAY too old to be living this kind of lifestyle...T

Yeah. These guys were living like bachelors in their mid-20s. Also, re: the girls ODing and then just dumping their bodies outside a hospital. Something you only expect to see from panicked teenagers and college students.

R444 I don't think we'll ever know the truth. The girls are dead and the guys I wouldn't trust to microwave a TV dinner.

RE: the moaning. The could've been in pain but unable to move. Not necessarily being tortured or raped. The desperate coverup makes it seem like the guys were definitely responsible. But like I said, we'll never know the truth.

Did the bodies have bruises or marks on them? The might have be down to fuck, that doesn't mean they were sexually abused. I think the guys just got in over their heads. they are stupid and panicked at the bad choices the women made. Im sure they didn't expect for the girls to overdose on their own drugs and die in their apartment. those ladies should have never went home with eh poor guys. IM sure this wasn't the first time these "models" used drugs and tried to work dumb guys for opportunity or a free drink.

R448 thanks for telling us you're a fucking creep.

^Yes, yes, it's ALL the models' fault, LOL. Those poor guys, victimized by the conniving WHORES... Pearce sounds like one of the kindest, most put-upon men who ever walked the earth. I'm surprised a new religion hasn't sprung up around him yet.

Guys like this come to LA to be stars, end up going nowhere, and are emotionally stuck at 24, caring only about having "the right address" aka a shithole on the border of Beverly Hills, going to bars and working as background actors.

[quote]Did the bodies have bruises or marks on them?

Christy Giles' didn't, according to one of the earlier DM articles.

As a matter of evidence, those texts are going to be a tough thing for the boys. The ladies clearly WANTED to leave badly enough to summon a ride, and then never materialized outside when it arrived. The implication is that they were afraid and, apparently,there was something in that place that was seriously worth fearing.

[quote] Guys like this come to LA to be stars, end up going nowhere, and are emotionally stuck at 24,

There was some serious arrested development going on inside that apartment for sure. It didn't help matters that they were probably feeding off of each others' career delusions.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

It doesn't make sense that the girls brought their own drugs. If they had drugs of their own, why would they choose to hang out with a bunch of sleazy obnoxious middle-aged losers that they'd just witnessed getting kicked out of the VIP area?

[quote] If they had drugs of their own, why would they choose to hang out with a bunch of sleazy obnoxious middle-aged

Because those are precisely the age/type who would actually have real Hollywood connections/homes up in the Hollywood Hills. Certainly not young guys their own age.

I've met so many desperate Z Listers like these guys in LA. They're everywhere, bragging about their one famous friend (usually someone who was a supporting character on a sitcom 15+ years ago) and talking about what they can do for your career. You learn to stay away. Fortunately I'm not a young woman.

Yes, but as I said R457, Christy and Hilda were partying in the VIP area of the club, and Dave Pearce et al. GOT KICKED OUT OF SAID VIP AREA! Someone had found out they lied about being friends with the DJ or something. The two girls must have witnessed that situation. It should have been obvious to them that those guys were losers and poseurs. Christy Giles had also been a model for a decade, and lived in LA for half a decade; she should have smelled a wannabe like Dave Pearce from a mile away.

They were probably already drunk and/or high on something by the time they left, but I still feel like something doesn't add up.

I read that story about Steven Bauer posted upthread. Why was he living with roommates in the 2000s? Fallen on hard financial times? Glad he spoke out, though.

I hope video surfaces of the extra being arrested on Hollywood Blvd

This story is so gross and depressing. And the stories about women getting roofied in WeHo. The David Pearce dude looks like a total creep. Something laced with fentanyl + rohypnol and the dudes panicked.

I don't understand if it was heroin cut with fentanyl, it killed the two women, but the three guys with partied-for-decades bodies were fine? Enough to continue on with errands they had to do the next day.

If it was straight heroin, then the three are such hardened heroin users that it apparently had no effect, but was still strong enough to incapacitate and ultimately kill the younger two

R463, moreover, who the hell parties with heroin? That's the exact opposite of a party drug.

The suggestion is strong that the guys gave the ladies something that ultimately sedated them to death. But if they delayed giving it to them for hours, what was going on all that time? How or why did the ladies not get out of the house, since they had clearly wanted to leave shortly after arriving?

I agree that Dave Pearce is pretty handsome (albeit in a sleazy sort of way), and maybe the third friend exaggerated when she described him and his friends as crazed, obnoxious, weird and so on. I think it's possible that they didn't seem all that bad that night, and she only saw (and WANTED to see) the red flags in hindsight. IIRC, a former victim/abused ex of Pearce's said he could be very charming in the early stages of a relationship.

The part where he and his entourage got kicked out, but Hilda and Christy still left with them is definitely weird though.

If Osborn had freely (and VERY stupidly) already volunteered his story about what happened, to co-workers, you can bet he's already sung like a canary to the cops. If, as I suspect, Anspach wasn't there in the apartment with them, then it'll just be Osborn's word against Pearce's. If Anspach WAS inside, his testimony will decide how the case goes, I expect. Osborn seems guileless insofar as volunteering info about the night to casual acquaintances, and it indicates strongly that he doesn't feel like he did anything he should feel too guilty about. If he had been involved in raping those 2 ladies, he CERTAINLY would not have said a word about the night to anybody...Right?

The third friend must be thanking her lucky stars she left early and feeling terrible she didn't make them go with her.

I agree, R465, the timeline doesn't really make sense. The moaning overheard by the neighbor implies the girls were getting raped/abused (while still alive and conscious), but if that were the case you'd think SOMETHING would have been visible on their bodies. Scratches, bruises, abrasions, skin cells under the fingernails ... whatever. But I clearly remember an article saying NOTHING of the sort was found on Christy Giles' body, which led her mother to believe she must have been unconscious the whole time and incapable of fighting back (I think even then violent rape would have left marks on her skin, but who knows...).

There's no way that two guys would assist dumping two dead bodies for their friend

They all had to have done something either with supplying drugs or sexual acts afterward to do something as out-of-their-minds and insane as dropping off two bodies at two different hospitals in the same area of LA and think they would get away with it

Especially in CULVER-FUCKING-CITY one of the most over-policed, over-governed city in California. Notable for installing the very first red-light camera in California near Fox Hills Mall

^I keep imagining them stopping someplace close to the first hospital, taking off the car tag, then dumping the body, and then having to put the tag back on immediately (lest that cause a cop to stop the car). THEN they get home and realize they have to do the whole operation AGAIN for poor Hilda...

"Did you remember the screwdriver?!"

"Yes, YES!! I've GOT it, now DRIVE!!"

R469 have you never had the flu or anything of that nature? Depending on what drugs they were given, and clearly they were given something bad, you can feel like you got hit by a truck without any bruising or obvious signs. Hell, they might've been calling for help and the sounds were muffled by the walls.

I wonder if these 3 losers have done this before. Get a couple of girls back to their place, drug them just enough so they don’t fight back, rape them, take pics/souvenirs. Then they would drop back at the club or somewhere else

But this time it got out of hand and they misjudged the dose or the drugs had too much fentanyl in it.

I don’t think this is the first time these assholes did his.

If the guys had a lot of drugs in their possession, I can see them deciding to dump the bodies rather than summoning an ambulance or the police. VERY DUMB, yes, especially for 2 middle-aged guys, but rational, at least.

Dumping the girls separately (and several hours apart) makes no logical sense. What exactly was the plan for Hilda after they dumped Christy?

And if a coroner can prove the girls would've lived if they'd gotten attention sooner...they're fuuuucked. No more Hollywood hanger on parties for you, Dave

Maybe the 'moaning' the neighbor heard was porn? Maybe they were playing it at maximum volume while trying to figure out how to dispose of the bodies, so they could later claim the girls were still alive at that time and happily bouncing on their dicks?

I know I know, sounds like a bullshit theory ... but maybe they panicked and didn't think things through.

Why did they leave with these guys. They thought they were going to a Hollywood Hills after party? Then one of the dudes is like relax, just a quick stop, come in for a minute?

These guys had real jobs in the biz. Or did.

[quote]have you never had the flu or anything of that nature? Depending on what drugs they were given, and clearly they were given something bad, you can feel like you got hit by a truck without any bruising or obvious signs.

I've neither overdosed nor had the flu (not that I understand why the latter is relevant in this context). Are overdoses painful?

R480 I'm saying it's possible to be in a lot of pain without being bruised or having obvious signs of trauma. Hence why they could've been moaning but not bruised

R479 Ansbach is the only one who seemed to have a decent career and even his was...eh

[quote]Personal Quote: I don't want fame, I choose to be legendary. See more »

Nice job, Mike!

The coroner can tell with reasonable certainty how long Christy had been dead at the time when her body was first discovered at the hospital. And Osborn said that Hilda had a "faint pulse" when they came back to the apartment. (Without being a medical professional, I am skeptical that that average Joe could distinguish between a regular pulse and a "faint" one. Not an expert by any means, but maybe opioids really slow down the pulse?)

According to reddit, this is the event where they met the douchebags

Can you link the reddit thread, 484?

I think the moaning is a bit of a red herring. Who the fuck knows what the neighbor heard? It wasn’t alarming enough for them to call police, evidently.

This reminds me of the Joey Comunale case. Psycho kills some poor soul and his buttboys take care of the disposal of the body. They’re so terrified of being accomplices that they get in even deeper.

R485 lots of chats about the LA party scene and the creeps in it

[quote]I’ve met two of the 3 arrested and let just you, the main guy is kinda charming and charismatic. He did the same thing to me about putting his number in my phone as “my husband “ - later I noticed huge red flags and blocked him from my phone, and my memory. I am not surprised his bail is set at 1m. The cameraman I also met separately, he dated a friend of mine and was polite enough, seemed like he was trying to be on his best behavior to impress my friend. Both of these guys have connections to Hollywood so young models who are trying to “make it” could be susceptible to their claims of knowing some person or going together to some other afterparty and ending up at some random guy’s house.

Thanks, R487!

I agree on both scores, R486: I have a strong hunch the neighbor is bullshitting, and the whole crime is just like the bumbling Comunale caper. Without homos.

Thanks for the link, r484. None of that makes any sense to me. But I do think that people were tripping balls at this thing and that probably clouded the women’s’ judgment.

The whole crowd and scene is so sinister to me. Similar characters in the Alexis Sharkey case.

I suspect both the neighbor and friend #3 are bullshitting

The Arrested Extra's Demo Reel. He was so close to his Academy Award

Even if the neighbor was lying, the Uber records will confirm that one of them called a car and that they were dumped a day later

Re 492, Mr. Osborn is not as good an actor as I am, and I've never done it before in my entire life.

R493, they were dumped later that day, no? Oh well, whatever.

So did the people on the set turn in the blabbermouth?

^I don't think the new story about it says so, one way or the other. Christy's husbands access to her phone account showed their location through the evening, so the police new promptly that Pearce and Osborn's apartment was the last place they were before the night ended. The two perps would have been found with or without the co-workers having ratted on Osborn initially.

So, has it been established if Dave Pearce has ties to the 'underground snuff porn scene'?

^There has been discussion online as to whether there is, in fact, any such "scene" in the United States. Now in Mexico, on the other hand...

That's an acting reel? Holy shit. Is he trying to prove he can't act?

R497 he's a creep who rapes women. This time he killed them. Whether they're the first...shrug

R498, I always thought the snuff porn theory was bullshit. It sounded too much like something 'Enty' of CrazyDaysAndNights would come up with.

I've seen a guy sharing the same out-there story about 'snuff producers' in his Venice neighborhood over and over again on different social media platforms. He claimed those people were being protected by gangs, and that he 'confronted' them after they attacked his ex girlfriend. Oh, and he found out that some of Christy Giles' instragram photos were taken in said neighborhood. I strongly suspect that same guy contacted her husband right after her death and told him the same story, and that in his intitial state of shock, Jan Cilliers believed it.

Jesus Christ that acting reel is abysmal. No wonder at 42 hes a background stand in.

Everyone wants to believe conspiracy theories over Occam's Razor.

I hope the morons are too dumb to take a plea. The trial should be exciting.

According to Christy Giles' mother, the LA District Attorney’s Office DECLINED to press charges against the three men for their involvement in Christy's and Hilda's deaths. Tbh I'm disappointed but not really surprised. It doesn't sound like either girl was sexually abused, and whether or not they took the drugs that killed them willingly would be hard to prove. However, Dave Pearce has been charged with 4 counts of sexual assault in other cases.

From Dusty Leslie Giles' Facebook account:

[quote]We are so saddened, frustrated and disappointed to get the news this evening that the LA District Attorney’s Office DECLINED to press charges against Pearce, Ansbach, and Osborn for their involvement in my daughter, Christy Lee Giles Cilliers and Hilda Marcela Cabrales-Arzola cases! However Pearce has been charged with 4 counts of sexual assault on other women, who bravely came forward. He is being held on 3 million dollars bail at this time- Unfortunately Ansbach and Osborn are walking FREE! Please help us pray for the LA District Attorney’s Office to do the right thing and FIGHT for Justice for Christy and Marcela. Let a jury of these mens peers hear the case the police have put together, and make a decision if these men are guilty or not!! Also the police are still tirelessly working on our daughter’s behalf- and remain focused!! Please anyone with any information contact the LAPD West Bureau Homicide Division (213-382-9470) or go online to the LAPD website and contact them via text, online contact form or call Crime Stoppers (800) 222-TIPS (8477)!

Sounds like a simple OD.

Legally, procedurally, the mother's statement about what the LA DA's position is does not make a lot of sense to me. Likewise the news story below is kind of confusing, and it seems to be the most up to date info on the case on the web. Was Pearce accused of rapes in the past, or is he CURRENTLY being charged with *other* rapes (maybe other women have come forward to file complaints since this news about Giles broke?). Ansbach and Osborn are not "charged," but they have posted bond and are out of jail on bond? If you aren't being charged, why do you have to pay a bond to get out of jail? It's nutty sounding. (There are strict time limits on how long the cops can hold you in jail without charging you with a crime.) It's hard for me to believe that the cops would have so quickly determined that these boys didn't do anything wrong here. At a minimum, there are issues involved with abandoning someone who was on the verge of death on the sidewalk in front of a hospital: you MIGHT NOT have a legal duty to try to save the life of a woman who was dying from taking her own drugs, but IF you undertake to secure aid (i.e. start driving them to the hospital), you surely have a legal obligation to carry it out and get them treatment, rather than just dumping them unconscious on the sidewalk near the building...I understand that Mother Giles is certainly not the greatest source for info about what is going on here, but I really don't think she's super clear about what is going on in the case right now.

I used to work with a guy named Jeff who looked at my dick while we talked and came on way too strong like he was always at a sex club. Once he realized I wasn't interested he ignored me and treated me like a stranger.

At a birthday dinner at Sur (of all places) Jeff was also there and was clearly connected with Brandt Osborn, talking quietly and texting while a few feet away. I knew that Jeff didn't waste time on guys who he wasn't blowing, so I assume prison won't be the first time Brandt engages in mansex

^^"Pearce, 39, has been charged with “two counts of forcible rape and one count each of rape of an unconscious or asleep person and sexual penetration by a foreign object,” according to a statement released by the District Attorney’s office."

So it appears Pearce is charged with rape of both of them (while they were unconscious), and the other two guys are likely in trouble for helping dispose of the bodies. Just like in the Comunale case in New York in 2016...

How exactly was that chick a “model”?

She looks like a model in that photo by the ocean in the news story just above. A Gypsy model. Good enough for me.

The saddest part of this story to me is that in a way it's society in a nutshell.

Ribera: oh hey, yeah, I knew the guy, he once raped a girl practically in front of me and I didn't do anything

The Scorpions dude: yeah, I remember, the dude who used fake IDs for underage girls he must have been statutory raping at the time

The husband: sure, as soon as I saw the address, I remembered that they were making snuff porn there. Allegedly.

The three douchebags: yeah, the two girls were dying for twelve hours in the next room but what can one do but put on a balaclava and later dump the bodies?

Everyone knows, no one does anything. Reminds of True Detective: we get the world we deserve.

R512, also…

LA prosecutors: “Yeah, interfering with a corpse amd accessory after the fact is a thing, but we’re gonna take a pass…”

R505, I feel badly for her mother, but I don't necessarily believe that she is an accurate narrator for what's actually happening re: the investigation.

This article goes into a bit more detail

[quote]The husband: sure, as soon as I saw the address, I remembered that they were making snuff porn there. Allegedly.

I don't think he knew Dave Pearce before all this happened. Circa a day after Christy's death he posted Pearce' address on his instagram stories asking if anyone knew who lived there. He probably got dozens of DMs from people who had encountered Pearce or heard rumours about him, including the snuff porn stuff.

Some instafrau who has been covering this case (@thezenblonde) posted that David Pearce' arraignment was scheduled for Wednesday, but that he avoided court by refusing to take a covid test(!).

How is that even possible? Can't they just handcuff him and ram that fucking thing down his diseased throat?

I am sure they have been doing those hearings on Zoom up until this point. Another option is to just let an asshole like this sit in jail and WAIT for arraignment, until the Court feels like in-person appearances are safe again, which could be sometime this Summer...

Could be, R518, but I'm sure the victims' families would prefer to see him arraigned sooner rather than later

Hilda with Pearce at that club:

(Nothing on the web today about any postponement of the arraignment, from yesterday, nor anything about it having taken place.)

She really does look bored in that pic

"Slutty" is the word that comes to MY mind.

Pearce is kinda hot,you cant deny that.

Hilda has REALLY bad eye make-up that night. I wonder if it contributed to her death?

I hate to admit it, but I agree, R524. He also seems to be aging quite well. Doesn't look much older than in pics from 2008-ish.

Some "true crime influencer" on TikTok claimed that Hilda had been on a few dates with Pearce. I haven't seen that mentioned anywhere else though; in fact most articles said the girls had never met any of these men before. The 3rd girl who was there that night also said there didn't seem to be any romantic/sexual interest on Hilda's part.

Big Dave IS being charged with 2 other rape / sexual assault charges while he's chillin in the pokey for drugging the 2 "models."

Holy fucking shit, check out this woman's Facebook page. She claims to have been engaged to David Pearce and is allegedly collaborating with Christy Giles' husband and the FBI. Allegedly she's also Andy Dick's "BFF", worked for Ron Jeremy and still calls herself his "princess"(!) (no, she doesn't believe he's a rapist).

I stumpled upon her when reading comments about the Christy/Hilda case on Facebook. She constantly contradicts herself (like when she calls David Peace a creep for being into porn despite her own alleged friendship/working relationship with Ron Jeremy, or calls Jeremy himself a creep), but it's a trainwreck of epic proportions.

Sounds like more than one storyline line from L&O: Special Victims Unit.

Here is one of her posts about David Pearce and Brandt Osborn. Her writing is so convoluted that I'm not sure if she's talking about the same party where Christy and Hilda met the suspects.

For those who don't have Facebook:

[quote]Brandt Osborn, & Dave Pearce Invited Andy Dick & I Backstage For The Kaskade Concert To Meet Kaskade, We However Did Not Leave For His After Party. He Is Known For Luring Girls, & Aspiring Young Models Lying About Being Ron Jeremy's Nephew, I Had Actually Cared For Him, I'm So Sorry That More Lives Have Been Taken, He Was Banned From The Rainbow With Brandt Osborn Over A Year Ago. I Hope & Pray More Women Come Forward! He Used Fake Names & Alias Dave Bryant & Was Also Scamming Girls On Craigslist For Rooms For Rent. I Contacted My Attorney Stu Goldfarb Today Concerning My Police Interview With The LAPD, Stu Called Him A Creep & Scum Bag!

If this case goes to court, somehow I doubt that someone who defends Ron Jeremy AND Andy Dick will be called as a witness for the prosecution ...

Anyway, that Facebook page is one big car crash you can't look away from. She really seems to know both Dick and Jeremy. Oh, and she also claims she lived with Corey Feldman for a while, and that Andy Dick said David Pearce was gay (not sure it's common for gay men to drug and rape one woman after another, but okay...)

Is there an app that capitalizes the first letter of every word? Because that’s a lot of extra work. All caps, I understand. But capitalizing the first letter of EVERY word? That’s dedication.

And a sign of insanity.

These folks have a different idea of what a “model” is, don’t they?

And, apparently, being in a photo with a celebrity equals celebrity to them. Huh.

r532, my ex, whom I'm convinced is bi-polar, writes like this on his Facebook posts.

Un-PC opinion, but I think I'm beginning to understand how David Pearce could get away with his crimes for so long. He probably knew how to pick his victims. That website that lists his alleged wrongoings (thedirty.com) is obviously aimed at the trashiest of people, and if Kali Nolen is anything to go by, well … It seems he went for the pathologically needy, attention-hungry, desperate, unstable and frankly, intellectually challenged - women who either wouldn't go to the police, or if they did, wouldn't be believed because they're walking poster children for mental illness and incapable of telling a story in a coherent fashion.

Christy Giles however was different. I don't know anything about Hilda, but having followed Christy on social media for a while, she seemed a bit full herself and annoyingly woke, but reasonably intelligent and well-adjusted. I do believe she would NOT normally get involved with someone like David Pearce, which makes this whole thing even more confusing.

[quote] So this is a case that could go either way on here

Either way? It was easily solved.

R535, I think these gals were soft-core sex workers. Maybe not streetwalking hookers, but there’s a lot of gray area in that shady scene. What did she actually do to earn money? Because even if she were getting legitimate modeling jobs, it’s not possible to support yourself that way, especially the kind of traveling and shit she was doing.

I had a theory that they were working in tandem because it was “safer”. Or that Hilda was leading a double life, where she was somewhat respectable in her regular life and dabbling with some lesbian and drug escapades at night. I know that women pose provocatively together for IG photos and SM, but Christy was pinging off the charts for me.

[quote]I think these gals were soft-core sex workers. Maybe not streetwalking hookers, but there’s a lot of gray area in that shady scene. What did she actually do to earn money? Because even if she were getting legitimate modeling jobs, it’s not possible to support yourself that way, especially the kind of traveling and shit she was doing.

Not sure about Hilda, but Christy Giles? Absolutely. I mean, 90% of her IG is her posing half naked with a "come hither" look. It's also telling that someone made her twitter private after her death - I guess they don't want people to see the full frontal nudes ("tastefully" done, but still...), exchanges with people that flat out accused her of fucking guys in exchange for gifts, or tweets about her porn star ex roommate.

And there's another thing - when I first checked out her instagram circa a year ago, she had a link to a modeling agency in her bio. A few months ago (before her death) I looked at her page again and noticed it had disappeared. I wonder if she was fired by her agency, or her contract had run out. She also sounded depressed in her last few tweets.

Oh, and then there was that chick on TikTok, allegedly a friend of Christy's, who claimed she "associated with very wealthy, powerful men", or something like that.

So yeah ... I'd be surprised if there wasn't some kind of escorting going on. However, somehow I doubt that these girls were the kind of escorts who'd spontaneously go home with a guy (or a group of guys) they'd just met at a party, especially if said guys seemed like weird, obnoxious wannabe losers ... which is how the 3rd friend described David Pearce and his entourage. But who knows ... maybe they really were desperate, too high to see the red flags, or, as you said, thought it would be save working as a tandem.

One thing that seems important to me is the time Christ Giles' body was dumped at the hospital - around 5 p.m on november 13. Sunset that day was at 4:49 in LA (I looked it up). Does that mean it would already have been dark at 5 p.m.? Wouldn't there have been a long period of dawn/dusk?

If they did NOT wait until after dark to drop her off, I think that would lend *some* credibility to the men's claims that they tried to save her. Obviously, they still would have wasted a lot of time removing the license plates from the car etc. It also doesn't explain why Hilda wound up at a different hospital 2 hours later. Still, I think it's worth looking at.

[quote]It was easily solved.

Almost too easily. Not only did the husband find out who did it within 24 hours of his wife's death, and not only was the main perp known for drugging and raping women; one of the accomplices even confessed to a collegue (not the murder/drugging, but disposing of the bodies).

Somehow I feel like it all went too smoothly ...

Reminds me of Carol Wayne and Lana Clarkson. Had brief careers, both careers fizzled and they took to hanging out in clubs and going home with and on vacations with guys they just met. They don’t call it escorting. They call it “being models” and “former starlets.”

R538 You would be surprised what women will do when there are (free) snorting powders involved.

[quote] Somehow I feel like it all went too smoothly ..

Yah, because these guys are obviously criminal masterminds who live in a grimy apartment and pick up unsuspecting women (who are looking to use them for drugs & money) in order to carry out some brilliant murder plot someone like Christy’s genius husband paid for

David Pearce is bisexual and once had a fling with Andy Dick, his former fiancee claims.

Lol, R543, I already admitted that I probably just read too many murder mystery stories where you have half a dozen plot twists, and the real murderer always follows some complicated, elaborate plan. Obviously real-life crime is different. And there's no way Christy's husband (or anyone else) could have planned this.

I just can't wrap my head around the part where one of the perps told a collegue how they disposed of the bodies, or, as one article described it, BRAGGED about it. I can only guess that's what decades of heavy drug use + hanging around people with absolutely no moral compass will do to your brain.

R544 yikes

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On a sidenote, it annoys me that the comment section of EVERY SINGLE Daily Mail article about this case has been "moderated in advance" lately, with less than 10 comments going through.

The DM often moderates comments on sensitive topics, but they're rarely that consistent. Usually they will moderate one article about a certain topic, but not the next one and so on. Or they do moderate, but let a few hundred comments go through, not just a handful (see the somewhat similar case of Lauren Smith-Fields).

I want more comments on this case. They're usally more interesting than the official updates. In between the victim shaming/complaints about victim shaming, you'll sometimes stumble upon interesting bits of information from people who knew the victims or (alleged) perps.

[quote]Reminds me of Carol Wayne and Lana Clarkson. Had brief careers, both careers fizzled and they took to hanging out in clubs and going home with and on vacations with guys they just met. They don’t call it escorting. They call it “being models” and “former starlets.”

Are you sure about Carol Wayne, wasn't she married to a very wealthy man, TV producer, Burt Sugarman?

Carol died a mysterious death, from drowning, she was afraid of the water. During one of her many appearances on Johnny Carson's talk show, she mentioned her fear of water and swimming. Carol was 42 when she died.

Carol did go on vacation with his guy, then died: "In January 1985, Wayne and companion, car salesman, Edward Durston were vacationing at the Las Hadas Resort in Manzanillo, Colima, Mexico. After they had an argument, Wayne reportedly took a walk on the beach. Three days later, a local fisherman found Wayne's body in the shallow bay. An autopsy performed in Mexico revealed no signs of alcohol or other drugs in her body. Her death was ruled "accidental." "

R549. Carol was really at the end of her career. She had posed for Playboy and had no job prospects. Edward Durston is a strange guy. I can't remember , but he was also involved with another "accidental." death. Anyone remember this?

Any update on these dumb whores?

I don't think so, R551. No real updates since December. This case intrigues me for a number of reasons, so I find the lack of news pretty frustrating. From what I'm aware, it hasn't even been confirmed that the girls really died of heroin overdoses, or if they were raped. All we have is the family's version of events (forced heroin injection! sexual abuse! snuff porn!), and a statement by LAPD that 'the investigation is very much still ongoing'. David Pearce was arrested, but apparently he has NOT yet been charged in this case (he was charged with having raped four other women though).

R552. It's a VERy interesting crime. I wonder how long this is gonna drag out? Did the other 2 guys not get charged with anything?

Her husband "suspects" murder?

I think the women just took too many drugs, and OD'd. Im not even sure the drugs cam from the David Pearce and his friends. No accountability on the part of those 2 women

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R556 should have been a reply to R555.

I think the third girl who was at the warehouse party is lying or holding something back. Firstly, her story makes no sense to me. David Pearce et al. acted 'crazed' and obnoxious, got kicked out of the VIP area of the club because they'd lied about knowing one of the performers, yet Christy and Hilda got into their car, naively expecting to get chauffeured to some fancy afterparty? Not buying it. Christy Giles had lived in LA for years, modeled for a decade, and had probably encountered her fair share of poseurs and predators during those years. I mean, obviously they DID get in the car, but either the men weren't as in-your-face off-putting as the friend claims they were, or there's something missing from the story. Secondly, the friend only came forward (anonymously) after almost 3 weeks. The girls were found dead/almost dead on November 13; by the 17th the story was all over the news, but the Daily Mail article with the friend's account wasn't published until December 3. What took her so long?

I'm thinking she witnessed something at that warehouse party that the girls' familes don't want the public to know about.

R558, like what? Not doubting you just wondering what you think might have happened.

Some girl on TikTok claimed Hilda had been on a few dates with David Pearce. At first I didn't take it seriously, because I hadn't seen it mentioned anywhere else, and Christy Giles' husband was adamant she/her friends would never hang out with someone like Pearce.

But now I'm thinking.... maybe there's a grain of truth to what she said. I still don't believe Hilda DATED Pearce, but maybe she (or Christy) had met him before.

Someone woke up the conspiracy nuts.

R559, honestly, I have no idea, I just feel like something doesn't add up.

The only scenario I can think of is that (as mentioned in R560) one of the girls could have met Pearce before/run in the same circles as him, and the family doesn't want that to come out because of his awful reputation. But this is really pure speculation ....

R561, so the 3rd friend's story makes perfect sense to you? You really think those two women were THAT naive?

R563 I think when you're young, drunk and high, you can make stupid decisions. I know I did. When you make stupid decisions in the presence of a predator like Dave Pearce, things can go really bad.

Thank you, R562.

Granted, R 564. Hoever, those men didn't just 'give off a bad vibe' (according to the friend). They were also kicked out of the VIP area where Christy and Hilda were partying. How did those two groups end up together?

R566 who knows? Maybe an offer of good drugs. Maybe they turned on the charm. We do know that the girls eventually got creeped out and called an Uber. The car came and they never showed.

R567, yes, it seems likely they offered them drugs. I'm just wondering how they crossed paths again after Pearce' and his friends got kicked out of the VIP area. Had they exchanged numbers, or did the men lurk at the exit waiting for the girls to come out

In any case, high or not, I'm NOT buying that the girls believed those sketchy dudes would take them to a glamourous afterparty, which seems to be the official version of events.

R556, Not sure about Hilda, but Christy was found without visible injuries from what I remember. And if they'd really been raped, I think it would have been reported.

I'm guessing the men planned on having their way with the girls while they were unconscious, but freaked out when they realized Christy was dead/dying, and just wanted to get rid of them. The 'snuff porn' theory is obviously bullshit. It's clear as day they didn't plan on killing the girls.

This is gonna sound awful, but if they'd been raped, it would make this case much easier to solve. Without any signs of violence or sexual abuse, I imagine it will be extremely hard to prove that whatever killed the girls was forced on them against their will/given to them without their knowledge.

Is heroin frequently used as a date rape drug? GHB, roofies or ketamine seem to be more common.

r558. I agree. Those girls had mileage on them and I think SOMETHING happened that would tarnish the girls reputations. The story just doesn't make any sense and its interesting how nothing NEW has been reported. The Naïveté of the girls is questionable..

*Update*

Haven't been following this, so I need a clarification: is the "architect" here on an Einstein visa?

[quote] Is heroin frequently used as a date rape drug?

Whatever is handy I suppose

Pearce was charged Friday, however, in connection with four other crimes. He stands accused of sexually assaulting a woman in 2010 and had allegedly "raped a woman in February 2019 and two other women in separate incidents last year," DA Gascón's office said in a statement obtained by PEOPLE Friday.

R572, unfortunately I can't access that site (I'm not in the US). Could someone give a short summary? Did they both die of heroin overdoses?

Giles’ cause of death was listed as “multiple drug intoxication,” according to reports by the Los Angeles County Medical Examiner-Coroner’s office obtained by People. She had a fatal mix of cocaine, fentanyl, ketamine and gamma-hydroxybutyrate acid (GHB) — often referred to as the “date rape drug” — in her system when she died.

Cabrales-Arzola died from multiple organ failure and “multiple drug intoxication,” according to the report. She tested positive for cocaine and MDMA and other drugs that were undetermined.

r272's story doesn't specify heroin

It's odd that heroin isn't even mentioned in the toxicology results. Both Christy's husband and mother said heroin was found in Hilda's system. Was it one of the "undetermined drugs"? With all the attention this case got, especially the speculation about "forcible heroin injection", you'd think it would be confirmed if one or both of the girls had heroin in her system.

Thanks, R576!

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Slutty Model's Lives Matter

Now that the case is finally moving forward, it seems likely we'll get to part 2. Should we just use this thread, starting at reply 2?

Damn millennials can’t hold their booze an’ dope.

[R580] Apostrophes matter: their placement and omission.

Jan Cilliers just posted a link to this article on Christy's instagram stories. It contains a few interesting details that I haven't read anywhere else.

[quote]At 4:19 p.m., cameras recorded Pearce carrying Giles downstairs to where his black Toyota Prius was parked with its license plates removed.

[quote]an hour later, video showed Pearce carrying a “partially clad” Cabrales down the stairs

[quote]The doctor who performed Giles and Cabrales’ autopsies noted no sexual or physical trauma, but nurses who treated Cabrales in the hospital noted slight bleeding and a small abrasion in her vagina.

Hilda was in a coma for more than a week. By the time the autopsy was performed, the small abrasion in her vagina had probably healed (or don't wounds heal normally in comatose/braindead patients? Serious question).

Update. Brian Pearce has been charged with Christy's and Hilda's murders.

Tbh I'm surprised. I would've expected manslaughter or negligient homicide charges, but MURDER? Are they supposd to have died from the (fentanyl-laced?) cocaine that Pearce was seen giving them while they were still at the warehouse party (see article)? Do they think he knew it contained a deadly amount of fentanyl? Or maybe there really are recordings from inside the apartment that show what happened ... I hope more details will be released.

R586, yeah, I don’t get the murder charge. I mean, we’re they intending to kill Christy specifically? Was there intent and motive?

I’d guess they feel confident they can meet the burden, but I’m skeptical. Isn't there a lesser charge, like manslaughter with depraved indifference or something?

If you lace something - drinks, cocaine etc - with fentanyl and give it to someone who thinks they are ingesting something else - it IS murder. Are you retarded? These fuckers are murderers alright.

[quote] If you lace something ...

What facts support this?

What makes you think David Pearce himself laced the coke (or whatever it was) with fentanyl, retard at R588? Do you know how many people unknowingly buy fentanyl-laced drugs? Do you know how many people accidentally overdose on that shit and get dumped at hospitals by drug buddies/random people they'd been partying with? I suggest you start reading the news.

I don't see how Pearce can possibly be convicted of MURDER, unless there's proof that 1. the girls died of drugs given to them by Pearce, and that he 2. KNEW those drugs contained fentanyl, or lethal amounts of another drug.

If you snort cocaine cut with enough fentanyl to kill you, how fast do you lose consciousness?

Sorry, I don’t think those men set out to kill those two particular women, and planned it. It was a stupid accident. The fact that they were dumped outside of hospitals is reasonable doubt, as well. If I were on a jury, I wouldn’t convict on murder. Some degree of manslaughter, sure.

I don’t see evidence of murder. Murder is a high bar to clear.

It could be a case of date rape drugging gone wrong, R592. Christy Giles had GHB in her system, which is frequently used for that purpose (but also as a party drug). However, I agree that it really doesn't sound like murder. Unless there's something major that hasn't been made public yet, Pearce SHOULD be found not guilty imo, regardless of his history.

Right now it probably feels like a victory to the families, but they might end up regretting that they pushed so hard for murder charges. Apart from the fact that it would be much simpler to get Pearce convicted of a "lesser" charge, his defense team will now make sure to dig up every little piece of dirt there is on these girls. It won't be pretty.

Sorry if this is a dumb question, but I'm not that familiar with the American justice system. If the jurors don't see enough evidence to convict him of murder, can they just decide to "downgrade" the offense to manslaughter, and convict him of that instead? Or can they only decide between "guilty of murder" and "not guilty"?

There's no such thing as a simple "murder" charge under any state law. In California, for instance, you can be charged with second-degree murder if you do something dangerous and fucked-up (speaking technically here, of course) and someone dies, even though you had no specific intent to kill. The classic example is firing a gun into a crowd of people: there's no premeditation, and no intent to kill anyone specifically, but you've deliberately done something that would seriously endanger someone. In this case, giving a drug to someone could be seen as the equivalent dangerous act. That is probably the theory the prosecution will go for.

R594, the defendant has to have notice of all of the potential charges against him, so the jurors cannot ad lib a charge. Prosecutors usually include lesser charges along with a murder charge.

Thanks, R595!

[quote]In this case, giving a drug to someone could be seen as the equivalent dangerous act. That is probably the theory the prosecution will go for.

That makes sense. I have to admit though that on an emotional level, I don't find offering a drug to an adult person comparable to firing into a crowd with a gun. As tragic as it is that two young women lost their lives, it doesn't sound like the drugs were forced on them, and I don't think they should be resolved of all responsibility for their choices. I also can't help but wonder if murder charges had been filed if the alleged victims were male, POC, or not-so-pretty women of any race ...

Anyone, could someone start a part 2? Or should we use one of the existing threads ("NCIS Actor Arrested in Deaths of Insta Model and Her Friend Found Dumped in Los Angeles" or "Model Christy Giles Found Dead at 24")? Sorry I can't subscribe atm for lack of a credit card.

Part 2

Christ these guys look like douchebags. Exactly the type to avoid in LA.

And look at the picture "actor" Brandt is wearing in the last pic

[quote] The men wore all black,

Slimming!