Director Natalie Morales doesn’t get what “diversity hires” are about

Sure, one or two roles are being given to people of color--but stop pretending TV shows and movies are now all filled with minorities.

Sorry white people - no room for white mediocrities anymore.

[quote] Director Natalie Morales

Who?

I skip overtly, proud and self-referential "diversity-focused" films, plays and TV shows not because of how the people in the pieces look, but the fact that invariably they are bad shows and bad art.

Fuck. This. Shit.

Fair hiring is fair hiring. And as far as I see the market determines who is in a production and who makes it, not special-interest cunts with garbage in their dirty weaves or white men with shiny bald heads.

[quote] Fair hiring is fair hiring.

That's exactly the point. Hiring has not been fair. White people are hired over minorities.

[quote] Fair hiring is fair hiring. And as far as I see the market determines who is in a production and who makes it, not special-interest cunts with garbage in their dirty weaves or white men with shiny bald heads.

Blacks and other minorities make up a significant portion of the paying audience. Yes, THEY ARE THE MARKET.

It seems like you're only happy if only white people are in the shows.

[quote] I skip overtly, proud and self-referential "diversity-focused" films, plays and TV shows not because of how the people in the pieces look, but the fact that invariably they are bad shows and bad art.

Yet shows with an all white cast are inevitably good art?

I couldn't get into Bridgerton because I couldn't suspend disbelief that the Queen of England was black and there was an interracial relationship among the aristocracy during the Regency Era in England.

I couldn't get into Bridgerton because the writing was so offensively bad.

She wasnt the Queen of England and her character was based on a real woman who was black/mulatto

[quote]I couldn't get into Bridgerton because I couldn't suspend disbelief that the Queen of England was black and there was an interracial relationship among the aristocracy during the Regency Era in England.

That rewriting of history works for an uneducated and gullible segment of the show's viewership. They actually believe it's true. It's the creation of a grand past for people who don't have one. It's called "equity".

R10, I didn't even get that far. I just saw a black woman on a throne in a powdered wig and made assumptions.

R12 Well that makes you ignorant, no?

I’m tired of the idea that white people are the default. White people are automatically more skilled than everyone else and integrating minorities is just petty liberalism.

Hey, Natalie, just look at tv commercials. See any Asians? Latinos? No, all the commercials are black.

Natalie, YOU are a diversity hire.

[quote]I couldn't get into Bridgerton because I couldn't suspend disbelief that the Queen of England was black and there was an interracial relationship among the aristocracy during the Regency Era in England.

Bridgerton isn't supposed to be historically accurate and it doesn't profess to be anything other than a soap opera, it's based on a series of romance novels about fictional families.

Hulu's "The Great" about Katherine the Great isn't historically accurate either but it's a hilarious dark comedy that I thoroughly enjoyed.

Not everything is serious, sometimes TV is just mindless fun.

Every single goddamn commercial and show have a black person featured now. If a commercial is successful,they remake it with black actors (Im looking at you Jake ) . Movies too. There are more hispanics than blacks,and they are grossly under represented. If your going to be "inclusive" hollywood,then include every race.

JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US! JEWS WILL NOT REPLACE US!

[quote]Bridgerton isn't supposed to be historically accurate and it doesn't profess to be anything other than a soap opera, it's based on a series of romance novels about fictional families.

The stunt casting was purposely, deliberately done for woke points.

Of course no Asians.... that would be going too far!

I see interracial families with a black wife/white guy a lot more than I ever have before.

Natalie is very hot and I enjoyed her comedic performance as the deputy on Santa Clarita Diet, but she has issues. She pushes "queer" identity and her pronouns are she/they. Now they has started directing I can only imagine how doctrinaire those films will be.

There is absolutely, 100%, a diversity mandate. Studios and networks are enforcing POC quotas. In fact, most of corporate America is under a mandate to hire and recruit POC over white people. Standards are lowered in many corporations (GPAs, experience) in order to recruit more POC. It's just how it is. I'm not saying it's bad or good, but for this woman to pretend it's not happening is a lie.

[quote]The stunt casting was purposely, deliberately done for woke points.

This is Shonda Rhimes we're talking about, R19, in her case it isn't "stunt casting" her shows are consistent in their casting.

What a stupid bitch. Every job announcement coming out of the WGA is for literally ANYONE but a “white” person. I use quotations because people who fit that category are from such a wide spectrum of the population when you consider education, class, geography, actual genetics (which are rarely only one thing). This moment in time is about a stupid new form of racism replacing another one. And it has to stop.

After decades of casting couch casting, stunt casting, and nepotism casting, people have the nerve to bitch about diversity casting?

R25 I think a huge issue here is that we are being told to believe, by people like this woman, that is isn't happening. Not only are white people being explicitly excluded from consideration for jobs, we are being told it's not happening and that anyone who believes it is is crazy.

The wokesters wanted this, well you got it.

An Hispanic woman gives her opinion of casting in Hollywood and this thread, just like others, turn into an anti-black screed. This site is a white supremist dream. Go fuck yourself Datalounge denizens and Muriel for letting this shit happen on the regular.

You know you can always scroll over threads you don't like or stop visiting this site, R28. You have options, baby!

R5, the problem is that your preferences for hiring weren't hired in the past, not that they aren't hired now. Ms. Morales may be fighting the good fight of 1980, but today it is searching for the elect, which (how amazing) somehow always manages to look just like the people acting as if the business hasn't changed.

And, as for R28, she does need to sort through the many types of responses here, rather than reflexively assuming that anyone who disagrees with the tone and content of a "minority" speaker is shitting on black people.

Color blindness starts with a look in the mirror. And if I don't care to see Halle Berry play Cinderella it's not because I'm white.

I'm biracial and I see racism all around once one's own "interests" mix with the power to hire.

R28 her "opinion" is a regurgitated lie, pushed by those who benefit from disregarding reality and insisting they are still victims. And where in this thread do you an "anti-black screed"?

R17 Hispanic is not a race.

African Americans ARE Americans.

African Americans descend from people who came on ships 400 years ago against their own will.

African Americans are not first/ second / third generation immigrants. No plane rides here, no stop at Ellis Island, no banana boats, no jumping borders.

Don’t talk about who should be represented and who shouldn’t be to a group that’s been in the US for 400 years.

Anyone who’s grandparents don’t speak English needs to shut the fuck up about what America should look like on TV. And I know there’s plenty of white people whos grandparents have English as a second language. So stfu.

I started noticing recently that characters in commercials are 99% black with occasionally a token white. I have seen one with Asians which gets a lot of play where one of the women for some reason yells 'money' and NO hispanics.

I guess hispanics are the new n------.

R26 Absolute bullshit.

What you’re saying is an argument white people have been making for like 120 years since the Reconstruction era. This is why black people were banned from working and living in states like Oregon until the 1920’s. That minorities take jobs away from white people.

There’s 30 states in this country that are over 80% white. Go move to one of those (you probably already are) if you think there’s such a crisis.

It’s interesting that she says that because she’s just reiterating what lots of people said about POC not getting jobs in the business. Not a good look.

Everybody just has to be honest about this, on both sides.

[quoteI started noticing recently that characters in commercials are 99% black

That might be an exaggeration, but an alien viewing American commercials would be surprised to learn that black people are only a small 13% of the population.

[quote]I started noticing recently that characters in commercials are 99% black

That might be an exaggeration, but an alien viewing American commercials would be surprised to learn that black people are only a small 13% of the population.

I hate forced diversity myself. I didn’t like the idea of the black Anne Boleyn and something like Bridgerton doesn’t appeal to me. I’m not knocking it but I do feel it’s white storytelling remixed with diversity. Meh.

I would love to see a period piece about someone like Chevalier de Saint-Georges. It would be a cool period piece. I’m 1000% positive white people would have a problem with it because he was a black classical composer in France. And I’m sure white people think there was no such thing and blah blah blah.

I don’t like the contemporary Pan-Africanism concepts that were created to fit into whiteness, such as Jesus, Cleopatra, and Beethoven being black, black people were the original Jews, etc, etc. I think those were attempts mostly from the 1980s and 1990s during the “Mama Africa” movement where a lot of black people in the US attempted to integrate themselves into white history simply because it was the only history they were taught in the US and were left out of it. Not to mention, history was very whitewashed (i.e. photos of Egyptian pharaohs who looked like Robert Redford in history books) and we still have photos of blonde blue eyes Jesus everywhere so it all makes sense to me why black people thought they were being lied to.

For me, diversity is mindless. Like The Walking Dead. It was incredibly diverse but I feel like people didn’t even notice. The diversity flowed and all made sense. That’s what diversity should be about.

R37 14.5% as of 2021, almost 50 million. The black population has increased and the white population has declined.

Sadly, I think the white liberal will go extinct. They adopt dogs and cats instead of pumping out babies like their Christian rivals. They’ll be nothing left but hillbillies.

R13, are you fine with an actual representative breakdown in roles where app. 70% would be white, 18% latino, 14% black, 6% asian? Or should white people be punished for existing and being white? I think there's a name for that. Begins with an 'r'...

[quote]African Americans are not first/ second / third generation immigrants. No plane rides here, no stop at Ellis Island, no banana boats, no jumping borders.

You do know that a decent percentage of the black population in the US is in fact made up of first/second/third generation immigrants, right?

Sorry but it is being force fed now and it’s becoming counter productive. If you aren’t right for a part than why do you get it? Oh because you’re ticking off the POC box so no one is sued for not being “diverse” yet there’s tons and tons of all POC casts and no white person is screaming “let me onto that show!” . It’s annoying how overtly overboard it is with POC casting. Voice work is now given to people who are speaking in Ebonics over qualified voice actors who speak eloquently and no one has ever known their racial identity.

This is all about Bowen Yang, isn’t it?

R40, that’s funny, “white people being punished”. That’s hilarious. Where are white people being punished?

Don't worry about diversity hiring. When Trump wins in 2024 because the Dems and the far left have made everything about race, there will be no diversity hirings.

@R5 needs to spell it out because R4 is dumb

R43, in his/her head

@R41

[quote] it’s becoming counter productive.

Because centuries of covert and overt racial discrimination isn't counterproductive, no?

R38, there is no such thing as 'white storytelling', people from non-white backgrounds have always been in the picture. What has happened over the decades or even centuries is that white people have erased POC (for want of a better term) from history and therefore created a fictionalised account devoid of reality and managed to pass it off as the 'mainstream' of history, sociology, literature, etc...Well, it was not. Therefore it is only fair to bring all those other identities to the forefront again.

You'll get used to it — believe me.

Natalie sounds like a bossy litta bi—-atch

[quote] Not only are white people being explicitly excluded from consideration for jobs, we are being told it's not happening and that anyone who believes it is is crazy.

The Blacks take our jobs! Burn them, BURN THEM ALL!

It's unfortunate how haters lack the compassion and appreciation for other people and other groups of people. Like, is it really the end of the world when there are shows that don't cater to you and your interests? Does ALL entertainment have to be for you and you only? With all the entertainment available from the past and present, there is really nothing for you to like and appreciate? So sad.

[quote] to bitch about diversity casting?

Hiring black and white actors only is not diversity. It’s just more of the same.

[quote] white people being explicitly excluded from consideration for jobs

Whites are not losing jobs to anyone, if anything they continue to be over represented in Hollywood.

[quote]14.5% as of 2021, almost 50 million.

No, you are wrong.

According to census.gov (the official numbers):

"In 2020, the Black or African American alone population (41.1 million) accounted for 12.4% of all people living in the United States "

The AA population has declined since the 1960s.

As far as "the white population is declining" goes, again it's not entirely true. More and more Hispanics are identifying as white. And the trend will continue.

All the press from the 2020 census and they glossed over the fact that Blacks are still only 13% of the population.

Yet they are now 50% or more of people on TV commercials. And people bitch about "Ocarssowhite" when really only about 1 out of 10 people should be black if we're talking about 'representation'.

Yet Hispanics? Asians? they're completely ignored.

R11 is one of the most racist things I've seen on here in a while, and that includes the guy who was posting "n*gger" once or twice a day (and who never got banned, might I add).

The idea that cultures of non-whites never had a "grand past" is astonishingly ignorant, especially after more than one person had already said that there was a mixed-race woman in court at the time who this character is based on.

You don't have a link for that r55, because it's not true. Over half of the actors on commercials are not black. Stop fucking making things up, you goddamned child.

R11 That post has as many likes as it does because it's essentially true.

[quote]You don't have a link for that [R55], because it's not true. Over half of the actors on commercials are not black. Stop fucking making things up, you goddamned child.

turn on a TV moron. Tell us blacks are 13% of the actors in commercials.

[quote]The AA population has declined since the 1960s.

Not true. Your figures are entirely wrong and I presume just made up, like all the other racist shit you posted.

There are 48.2M black people in the U.S. as of 2019 and it is 14.2%, as others already said, which is higher than what it was in 1960, which was 10.5%.

r58, please. Users (aka trolls) using sock puppet accounts to like their own comments rendered the ww "like" button useless. Even the Rose Nylunds amongst us know that by now.

[quote] The stunt casting was purposely, deliberately done for woke points.

Why is the casting of minorities always "stunt," as if all shows should be cast with white people?

I have never encountered anyone who believes that Bridgerton is a historical accurate portrayal of Victorian times. But apparently a lot of racists seem to believe that this fictional show is intentionally rewriting history. Is it because, gosh, I don't know, they are projecting? Do they want to rewrite history where white people are looked upon more favorably for some reason?

R60

The official numbers:

"In 2020, the Black or African American alone population (41.1 million) accounted for 12.4% of all people living in the United States, compared with 38.9 million and 12.6% in 2010."

R63 and they think it was stunt casting, despite being developed by a woman with a 100% track record of diverse casts...

R62 Casting Anne Boleyn has a black woman is stunt casting.

As would casting Rosa Parks as a white woman would be stunt casting.

Jeez. What's next, water fountains for White people and separate water fountains for Black people?

You guys really want to go there with your "diversity hire" issue where too many minorities take away jobs that should go to White people?

[quote] [R62] Casting Anne Boleyn has a black woman is stunt casting.

[quote] As would casting Rosa Parks as a white woman would be stunt casting.

It might come as a shock to you, but historical accuracy isn't normally a high priority in movie and TV show releases. Your idea of stunt casting would imply the stunt casting sticks out like a sore thumb within the otherwise historically accurate project. But that's not really the case, is it? You don't bother with the project as a whole. You just pick a single character and compare it to its historical accurate counterpart. That does not make your cases stunt casting.

Coming soon to Masterpiece Theater

The Rise and Fall of Madame de Pompadour, starring Mother Jefferson

She's moving on up, to Versailles.

[quote]Your idea of stunt casting would imply the stunt casting sticks out like a sore thumb within the otherwise historically accurate project.

What an absurd straw man argument.

Of course we know historical accuracy isn't normally a high priority in movie and TV shows. But we do have limits to what's believable and what's not.

An Asian Martini Luther King? An obese Marilyn Monroe? A dwarf Maria Callas?

^Martin

That R43 can't answer a simple question or address the actual issue brought up actually answers the question and shows that he's fine with racism as long as it's directed at white people.

[quote] But we do have limits to what's believable and what's not.

Oh, so you admit that you're limited? Good for you. Good for you.

I am all for diversity as an indication of the general populous of the country. What I strongly object to is the notion that " diversity" is exclusive to blacks. Why is the term " Person of Color" only used when referring to blacks? Why did the commercial industry all of a sudden turn all of its commercials black? Where do we see Hispanic representation? Asian representation? Native American representation? Why must new tv program hosts be black? Why is there such a rush to turn Broadway into SJW central? Folks, there is going to be a terrible backlash coming from not only the majority, but the other minority groups who see they are being ignored by government and society itself in favor of the exclusive catering to the black lobby. And it will begin with the mid-terms, when the Republicans unleash their deranged campaign against the cancel culture and "diversity" hires. All citizens can see it on their television, so it is not an illusion; we can see it even on DL, which is the epitome of liberal thought. Just as the Republican Party has been co-opted by the Trump fascist faction, the Democrats are being co-opted by the SJW left. The economy will be the primary issue in 2022 and 2024, but the culture war will be the focus of much of the fascist rhetoric, and the Dems will be standing on a very weak stool.

R73 Of course that's the best you can do.

[R73] Of course that's the best you can do.

I'll try my best, so you can understand with your limited abilities.

Mother Jefferson...LMAO.

R2 they just replaced the mediocre white people with mediocre non-white people.

[quote] An Asian Martini Luther King? An obese Marilyn Monroe? A dwarf Maria Callas?

Again, you come up with ideas completely taken out of context that make no sense. These examples probably make perfect sense within the movies or shows they are in. You just refuse to acknowledge that because of your limitations which you are so very proud of.

Friends is still one of the most popular syndicated TV shows.

Yes, the world was clamoring for the talents of a Dakota Johnson.

[quote]Again, you come up with ideas completely taken out of context that make no sense. These examples probably make perfect sense within the movies or shows they are in. You just refuse to acknowledge that because of your limitations which you are so very proud of.

You are absurd.

Sure, you could do an Asian Martin Luther King. An obese Marilyn Monroe. A dwarf Maria Callas. But the unorthodox casting would be acknowledged as such. It would be THE issue while watching the work and in promoting it. Why? Because we do do have limits to what's believable and what's not.

Let's not pretend otherwise.

I’m claiming Martini 🍸 Luther Queen as my drag name

R83 I was trying to make him Italian.

R81 but they were really clamoring for the talents of Jayden and Willow Smith?

[Quote]A dwarf Maria Callas

LMAO....J'ai perdu mon Eurydice....

This type of thing gets Republicans elected.

[quote] You are absurd.

[quote] Sure, you could do an Asian Martin Luther King. An obese Marilyn Monroe. A dwarf Maria Callas. But the unorthodox casting would be acknowledged as such.

Again, THE REST OF THE FILM OR TV SHOW is likely unorthodox as well. You just choose to focus on ONE bit and strip it off its unorthodox context for your argument's sake.

For example, Bridgerton is full of unorthodox casting and story plots. It makes sense within the show, because it's a Shonda Rhimes project. Netflix's "woke" Hollywood made sense, because it was deliberately made unorthodox and unrealistic by Ryan Murphy himself. Within their shows and their context none of them stick out like a sore thumb, because they are all unorthodox characters in unorthodox situations.

Thank you for sharing, r87. Your pithy troll comment is much appreciated.

R57 is blind. His TV must be getting broadcast waves from 1972.