Are all 20-somethings terrible in bed?

Meth is a terrible drug, OP.

Maybe the problem is you, OP?

They stay on their phones during sex? WTF

Pay them more.

I fucked three eldergays and they were all bad in bed.

Why are eldergays like OP bad in bed?

R5-Are those the only guys you can get to go home with you, bitch?

Sorry to hear that Joel finally dumped you, OP.

I have to agree with OP. I've lived in NYC since I moved here for college. I always found myself hooking up with guys older than me (in their 30s - 40s). Most guys at that age are barely starting to have sex, so they have no idea what they're doing. If they are bottoming, they can't even take a dick properly without complaining, and if they're topping they just either go for rabbit sex, or like OP said, go zombie mode and expect the bottom to do all the work. A big factor in them is that they get nervous as well. Up till this day, I only hook up with guys 25+ as it reduces the chances they're bad in bed. Some of the hottest sex I've ever had have been with guys in their late 20s, 30s or 40s.

By "Most guys at that age" I mean late teens/early 20s. Basically college students ^

Regarding the cell phone thing, current younger 20-somethings are or they're near the age where they grew up playing with cellphones in hand as toddlers and babies. I'm not trying to be mean -- I have nephews/nieces in this bracket and so I tend to have avuncular feelings towards them -- but I do think this has affected them developmentally in an ADD-way.

It's not totally they're fault. It's an example of chickens coming home to roost.

20-something should be left to other 20-somethings and figure out how to fuck.

[quote] They stay on their phones during sex? WTF

Yep.

In fact, I got bored with sucking this one guy, so I flipped him over and started eating his ass.

He spread his legs open then propped up his phone while on his two elbows, so he could see the screen better. And this motherfucker kept watching his stupid porn video WHILE I ATE HIS ASS.

And he STILL didn't make a sound.

I was doing all this work. Sucking his cock and eating his ass, and this goddamned cunt didn't even appreciate it.

I honestly didn't know what to make of it. It's like I was just this person "pleasuring" his body while he did his own thing. And the worst part is, I had no idea if I was even pleasuring him, because he made no sound. No sound at all.

WHO DOESN'T MAKE A SOUND WHILE YOU'RE EATING THEIR ASS???

No a moan. Not a whimper. Nothing.

It was infuriating.

How old are you OP, if you don't mind me asking and where did you find the little bitch? Was he pretty or meh, but young?

R12 sounds like a porn addiction, it can ruin appreciation of real sex.

Gen Z is anti-sex and they’re on psych drugs. Millennials know how to fuck.

I'm late 30's, R13.

His Grindr profile said 25.

I'm a bottom. He claimed to be a top.

But he's more like a dead fucking fish.

It was hilarious, because the ONLY time he communicated with me was when I grabbed some lube and started fingering his hole.

He finally looked away from his phone and said, "just play with the outside, but don't stick it in." ROFL!

What a goddamned twat.

R14, porn addiction doesn’t exist.

"Because this is the end of civilization!"

"Young people like you don't want to work or learn anything because they're too busy with their remote control television or playing with their hula-hoops!"

They weren’t playing on their phones, gramps. They were live streaming the session to their friends or to Chaturbate.

[quote] They weren’t playing on their phones, gramps. They were live streaming the session to their friends or to Chaturbate.

Sorry, stupid bitch.

But while I was eating his ass, I was behind him and I could see the porn on his screen.

He was fucking watching PORN while having sex.

Anyone who needs to watch porn while having ACTUAL sex.... is a goddamned idiot.

Or maybe you’re really bad in bed.

Was he a twinkish, fragile boy or buff?

[quote] Or maybe you’re really bad in bed.

There's no "wrong" way to eat ass, you stupid cunt.

R20 huge amounts of people watch porn WHILE having sex... usually together though or something both like...

[quote] Two of them were playing with their phones while I sucked them off

They have to set up their next trick, down time doesn't pay.

R17 of course porn addiction exists. It’s a prevalent problem for a great many guys, especially digital natives who have been brought up on devices and have often been exposed to porn from a young age. It’s something psychologists take as seriously as any other addiction.

[quote] But while I was eating his ass, I was behind him and I could see the porn on his screen. He was fucking watching PORN while having sex. Anyone who needs to watch porn while having ACTUAL sex.... is a goddamned idiot.

Um, obviously he needed to be turned on and you weren’t doing the trick. He needed to watch porn to get it up since he couldn’t get it up to your old wrinkled ass.

[quote] There's no "wrong" way to eat ass, you stupid cunt.

Of course there is. Now we know you’re horrible in the sack.

OP, no one is turned on but your wrinkled fat ass.

ROTFLMAO - this ia an EST and you all just don't pick up on it.

HINT: No one in that situation would think :"oh, he's just not good at sex" versus "This fucker is humiliating me by watching porn because looking at me sure isn't going to do it for him."

Sounds like a stinker. I’m surprised you stayed after you saw he was on his phone. I’d like to think I would’ve walked out on him.

No one learns any socializing skills, be it friendship, sex or even small talk by spending all your time on the Internet.

It's a problem.

You should have kicked little bitch in the balls to teach him manners that his mother didn't.

OP is mocking out Eldergays and they just don't get it

Oh honey, 20 somethings? The last time I did a tour of twinks was 10 years ago in my late 40s. And Twinks were like that then - attached to their phones. Zombies. Passive even if fucking as top. Maybe because I was old? But they had pursued ME!

Still they seem to work up passion when the perform for their quarters on their sex sites so whatever.

I guess one needs to go back 15 years to remember animated hot as fuck twinks.

Did their feet stink, OP? I hear their feet all stink.

Well they have huge pale veiny bent cocks if they are white guys.

If a guy started looking at his phone when we were having sex I'd stop because I'd assume he wasn't into it. Thankfully that hasn't happened. Yet anyway.

So, like, I hooked up with this guy and it turns out he's at least ten years older than he says he is on grindr, with a photo that's older, and he's so fucking old and ugly that i had to watch porn and imagine someone else eating me out and sucking me off instead of him, just to get off.

Yes, op, they all suck in bed. I'm 38 and my rule is: no one under 30. If they're tops, they're almost certainly minute-men with no personality and no foreplay - they just jackhammer you and nut in you in 5 minutes. If they're bottoms, they've grown up on porn, so they expect you to jackhammer *them* (not my style) and to be unrealistically hung (I'm tiny - hence the reason I put so much effort into sensuality, oral, kissing, ass-play, and a ling slow sensual fuck) Like the poster upthread says, they don't know what they're doing...yet. God-willing, they'll figure it out someday, but yes - phones actually *have* ruined everything, sex included. Leave the 20-somethings to each other so they can figure out how to have decent sex together. As for me, my "sweet spot" is salt n pepper muscle daddies from roughly 45-55 for now...until I age out of that demographic as well, oy vey!

They've been brought up on a steady diet of pron since they were old enough to log on to a computer.

To them, sex is nothing more than logging on to their favorite pron site, and passively watching the festivities.

Regardless of your age, YOU SHOULD NOT USE YOUR PHONE WHILE HAVING SEX (UNLESS YOU ARE RECORDING).

[quote] It’s something psychologists take as seriously as any other addiction

It's true. I was treating a porn addict and when I cut off his porn supply, he went into convulsions and died! Next time, I weaned the patient off slowly and substituted wildlife fucking videos and heroin to help him detox. Today he is permanently scarred by his addiction, as he rubbed his penis into a tiny nub.

[quote]WHO WATCHES THEIR PHONE DURING SEX???

I know people will give the OP shit, but I've experienced this as well.

If it was Grindr, looking for the next trick because I was terrible, this I could understand, or porn, but nope - Instagram.

EXACTLY, R42.

That's really all there is to it.

And it's why these idiot 20-somethings are so fucking clueless. And RUDE, I might add.

Men learn to fuck best somewhere between 37-48. Absolutely amazing.

In a very non-sexual manner, I know a lot of 15y olds (the age bracket of my child), and many of them are socially dysfunctional. They cannot say "Hi" and "bye", "Could I have a glass of water" or similar. The very standards of human interaction are entirely strange to them. They seem like little Kaspar Hauser zombies. It makes every social exchange awkward; it's like shaking someone's hand for whom the gesture is a strange concept. I don't even want to imagine how these dead-eyed people will be having sex in a couple of years, but guess it will be pretty close to OP's description. It's as if they are fully tuned to consuming, not interacting, what makes sense if they were brought up by youtube (for the poor) and educational programs (for the well-off). You have to learn to give and take, to find out what you would like and ask for it, verbally or non-verbally and learn to read other people, be curious and open-minded to what they might have to show you. If you never learn it, that's what it looks like.

R43 While that can be the case with alcohol, plenty of addictions don't make you die if you cut off the supply. Heroin for example. Anyway, whether porn can be addictive or not, it's widely known that it can desensitise heavy users who find it hard to get off on real sex, and they can lack understanding of what sex outside of the staged porn world is like too.

I like Frenchmen in their 20s. VERY energetic, responsive, playful and fun in the sack. 20 YOs in US are lifeless slugs.

Meh, the twinks I was doing 10 years ago were French and Swiss. DULL. Which was tragic because 20 years ago, the same regions had saunas and sex clubs and parks, lakes, beaches and reststops teeming with hot slutty twinks down for anything.

It does happen. I had a hot 20 something pull that with me. Every time he picked up his phone, I'd quit sucking and would instead push my dick in his mouth, eventually he got the message and we had a better experience. But, he still stayed oddly quiet and only made little squeaks when he cummed. I can't describe it except that I imagine it was how Michael Jackson or Mickey Mouse would sound when they orgasmed.

Based on this thread, I'd say millennials have joined the ranks of cranky elders bitching about youth.

So you think that watching a video on your phone during sex is okay, R52?

Because I think that universally, that is NOT okay. Except for anti-social freaks.

Like, if you're going to do that then don't even bother having sex. Because it's incredibly lame.

I didn’t say twinks r50, I said MEN. Real men. Not skinny fem hairless white boys.

This same thing happened to me last week in NYC. Only the guy was 77, not 20. He was a writer. He wrote seven books at once and was brilliant. He was a piano player and a composer. He was watching Grey Gardens on his iPad while I rimmed him as if his ass were going out of style.

R55, that is really the most disturbing post I’ve read on DL.

It's pretty clear from R55 that guys in their twenties aren't very funny either.

How sad.

Are they good at ANYthing?

Gen Z has no sense of humor and no sense of fun. Oh well, I guess they have TikTok.

It’s like a weird form of social retardation in which they are really good with technology but find actual human interaction confusing/annoying.

Pillow princesses.

They definitely aren't great tops.

Agreed with R40. Since I’ve entered muscle daddy territory (I’m 48), I’m hit on by many 20yo on Scruff and the likes.

I’ve noticed that when they bottom, they really demand the whole package. They want to be sucked, rimmed, pounded hard, they want it to last forever, again, and again. They don’t necessarily reciprocate though. I’ve dropped a few fuck buddies like this because they were too much hard work.

When they top, they jackhammer. I have this gorgeous 26yo fuck buddy who's got it all. He’s a big, tall, muscular, handsome man with a big dick. Whenever he comes to my place the foreplays will last 30s before he takes out his dick and shoves it up my ass. He will then jackhammer me for 3/4min before shooting his load. This is so bad, but I keep inviting him over for more, hoping each time to show him how it’s done, to no avail. The strangest thing though is that once he’s done, he likes to hang around with me for a while, which I take as a sign that he really likes me. But he’s unable to have any sort of conversation. He just sits there on the sofa, giving me monosyllabic answers when I try hard to engage and discover more about his life. This is all so strange to me. Ah well, maybe I should invite him again! Lol

I have zero problem talking to twinks about anything and everything. They don't shut up. particularly if they sense you are openminded and think they have something valuable to say. Maybe R62 you can politely explain to your studly young buck fuckbuddy that he could be more fluent in his conversation. You could also ask open questions that cannot be answered in a word or two. But I dunno - you might just have a dullard! What a pity.

Yeah R63, I asked him once why he was so quiet with me when I do all the conversation. His answer was “I don’t know”. After a few times like this I get bored and delete his number. After a few weeks he then messages me telling me he misses me. And I really don’t know what exactly he misses. The conversation? There isn’t any. The sex? Well dude, actually it’s crap. Yes, maybe he’s a dullard after all.

we're still in the age of photos when it comes to hooking up. Once the world gets to videos, it really provides a much better picture of both your partner as well as if they know how to fuck. Sites like scruff offer videos.

OP - Im curious what you are agreeing to in the messages before? Are they just agreeing to a bj?

Lol R59. Nailed it!

look at who their parents are!

Have you considered it may just be you?

Are the straight twinks terrible fucks as well? The young women, too? Sheesh!

OP you are fat and very repulsive they couldn’t stand to look at you which is why they had to look at their phones. Also beggars can’t be choosers.

Does Gen Z even have sex? They seem scared of everything in life.

I guess I assumed OP wasn't paying for twink whores. I assumed this was about 20somethings who volunteered to have sex with him.

Recently I keep getting hit up by 20-year-olds. (I am well hung, in good shape, and 90% top). The few I have hooked up with were pretty damn wild.

Good news. What region?

R74 Obviously the Dreamworld since he didn't bother to answer.

It's a story with one-sided perspective.

OP could be entirely correct in his observations, or it could be that he was the problem and his partners in their 20s were rightly horrified by his misrepresentations, and they just laid back and thought of England (or checked their phones) waiting too politely for the ordeal to be over.

Insufficient detail to take sides, OP. I'm not jumping on the generational angle.

R55, you use the past tense with the 77 year old....has he since died?? (I might want his stuff)

[quote] Are all 20-somethings terrible in bed?

Not according to Richard Madden...

Do all these 20 yo listen to crappy rap? That would be a major turn off even if they weren't dead fish in bed.

[quote] Not according to Richard Madden...

Richard Madden is a typical old man who just wants to fuck someone young, because it makes him feel better about himself.

He's not capable of maintaining a relationship with someone his own age, because like many gay men, they are not mature enough to handle something like that.

So they chase after young twinks, because then they won't be held accountable for anything they do, they don't have to have serious conversations, and they don't have to act their age.

THERE, I said it.

Oh jezass christ. Madden isn't an old man, at 35. Yes, he is into twinks. But twinks are very much into younger studly guys in their 30s. Lots of twinks want to fuck handsome 35 year olds. They aren't old enough to be daddy but they are vastly more experienced and have a lot more resources than the average 20 yo. And still hot.

[quote] Madden isn't an old man, at 35

Keep telling yourself that, sweetie.

R82 So. He is still young, he just wrinkled the forehead.