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I watched Funny Girl this week.

I hadn't seen it in years. It's really not that good.

Omar Sharif was just plain awful. He was totally miscast and his singing voice was even worse than Sydney Chaplin's.

Kay Medford was totally wasted. I'm sure they cut a lot of her scenes, either in the script stage or in editing.

We all know about Anne Francis.

There seemed to be no effort whatsoever to make any of the characters three dimensional, except of course for Fanny Brice.

I don't think Streisand would have won an Oscar if not for the final My Man scene. That was the best scene in the entire film and it's what people remember as the credits roll.

by Anonymousreply 166December 5, 2021 6:59 AM

It would be a better piece if it ended at "Don't Rain on My Parade."

by Anonymousreply 1November 14, 2021 2:03 AM

Who would you have cast instead of Omar? Not being a bitch, because I somewhat agree he was miscast.

by Anonymousreply 2November 14, 2021 2:08 AM

George Segal.

by Anonymousreply 3November 14, 2021 2:13 AM

[quote]Who would you have cast instead of Omar?

Good question. Leading men circa 1968 who can sing and be "dashing" enough to play Nick Arnstein...

Robert Goulet? Richard Kiley?

by Anonymousreply 4November 14, 2021 2:32 AM

The leading man wouldn't need to sing.

by Anonymousreply 5November 14, 2021 2:33 AM

The ultimate problems of the Broadway FUNNY GIRL can be traced to the meddling of Brice's daughter Fran, who was married to producer Ray Stark. The original scripts were considerably darker, and second-act Fanny was surprisingly unsympathetic, shown as a self-centered star, harshly critical of the performances of her Ziegfeld colleagues and whose attitude pushed her husband away. Other performers had specialty numbers: Eddie Ryan was given a solo mourning his unrequited love with Fanny and the Ziegfeld girls at the Baltimore train station opened Act 2 with "Baltimore Sun", a number bemoaning life on the road. Showgirl Georgia was an alcoholic party-girl who had a juicy drunk scene in act 2 where she sarcastically apologized to Fanny for not living up to her "high standards" ruefully noting that fading showgirls were usually kicked out of the Follies after a few years, but Fanny had nothing to worry about since she had talent (a nice corrective to "If A Girl isn't Pretty"). Fran Stark wanted nothing to cloud her mothers memory and insisted on a Fairy-tale romance with Fanny and cardboard-prince Nick, while giving Streisand more numbers and scenes at the expense of her co-stars.

One wonders what the FUNNY GIRL sure might have been if its original lyricist Sondheim had not bailed (before Streisand was cast). IMHO, Bob Merrill was a poor substitute and his FUNNY GIRL lyrics are often workmanlike and clunky.

by Anonymousreply 6November 14, 2021 2:40 AM

I love the opening scene. All of Barbra’s charisma and glamour in that leopard-print “Hello Gorgeous.”

by Anonymousreply 7November 14, 2021 2:42 AM

r4: Steve Lawrence????

Styne wanted Sinatra, who understandably didn't want to be second-fiddle to Barbra. Stark thought that Sinatra was too old.

by Anonymousreply 8November 14, 2021 2:45 AM

It wasn't just Fran's meddline. Sydney Chaplin couldn't handle almost any material he was given. Of course, they didn't get rid of him. He aided the production remaining The Streisand Show.

by Anonymousreply 9November 14, 2021 2:45 AM

Why not Sinatra, Jr?

by Anonymousreply 10November 14, 2021 2:46 AM

*meddling

by Anonymousreply 11November 14, 2021 2:46 AM

George Segal?? Sinatra, Jr????

OY

by Anonymousreply 12November 14, 2021 2:47 AM

Frank Sinatra would have been a horrible choice, unless the film were made about 20 years earlier.

by Anonymousreply 13November 14, 2021 2:50 AM

Robert Goulet? Richard Kiley? HA HA HAAA!

Steve Lawrence????

Scraping bottom.

by Anonymousreply 14November 14, 2021 2:50 AM

Why not Elliot Gould? They were sort of considered a hot couple, and he went on to become one of the biggest movie stars of the early 70s. And his singing couldn't have been any worse than Shariff's.

by Anonymousreply 15November 14, 2021 2:51 AM

FUNNY GIRL'S cut scenes.

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by Anonymousreply 16November 14, 2021 2:52 AM

[quote]Robert Goulet? Richard Kiley? HA HA HAAA!

Curious as to why you don't like those options. They can sing, they were handsome in their day. They certainly couldn't have been worse than the stiff non-singer Omar Sharif.

by Anonymousreply 17November 14, 2021 2:52 AM

[quote]Why not Elliot Gould?

I don't think Gould was ever capable of being the dashing, heart-throb leading man type.

by Anonymousreply 18November 14, 2021 2:53 AM

They were TV level at best.

by Anonymousreply 19November 14, 2021 2:53 AM

Gould was in a London revival of "On the Town."

by Anonymousreply 20November 14, 2021 2:53 AM

[quote]Why not Elliot Gould? They were sort of considered a hot couple

Oh, man. Elliott Gould was a schlub when he was BRIEFLY a star, a nerdy guy nerdy guys identified with. He could possibly be the Eddie Ryan character, nothing more.

Babs and Gould were NEVER a "hot couple." He was the nobody she was married to in the 1960s.

by Anonymousreply 21November 14, 2021 2:57 AM

What about Harve Presnell or Robert Preston?

by Anonymousreply 22November 14, 2021 3:03 AM

R6 that sounds like a much better show! I wish someone would revive the original concept.

by Anonymousreply 23November 14, 2021 3:15 AM

Steve Lawrence? Funny Girl wasn't the Carol Burnett Show.

by Anonymousreply 24November 14, 2021 3:26 AM

The Broadway producers didn't even want Steve Lawrence.

by Anonymousreply 25November 14, 2021 3:29 AM

I'll tell the whole behind the scenes story of Funny Girl in my memoir BUT it has been delayed a bit. I keep changing my mind about the font and have to start over every few days.

by Anonymousreply 26November 14, 2021 3:29 AM

Great movie. Lovie it. Babs was fabulous.

by Anonymousreply 27November 14, 2021 3:30 AM

R16, great link. As I suspected, it appears most of the scenes with actual character development were cut. But I'm also grateful that they cut scenes that had Omar Sharif singing even more.

by Anonymousreply 28November 14, 2021 4:56 AM

That’s a no on George Segal. Nick’s feet can’t be a size 5.

by Anonymousreply 29November 14, 2021 5:17 AM

I liked the Barbra Streisand movie For Pete's Sake

sweet, funny, comedy about a woman who loves her husband to the ends...

by Anonymousreply 30November 14, 2021 5:21 AM

Oh, looky-looky...

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by Anonymousreply 31November 14, 2021 5:31 AM

The only reason Funny Girl is of any significance is that it was the birth of a true movie star. Even back in 1968, you knew Streisand would become iconic. "I'm the Greatest Star" was and will always be about Babs. It has very little to do with Fanny Brice.

In retrospect, Omar Shariff is kinda creepy, and the movie is a chore to sit thru, especially the second half until her final number.

by Anonymousreply 32November 14, 2021 6:54 AM

The Broadway producers had trouble casting the part but at one point were very interested in Eydie Gorme. She killed her chances when she demanded Steve Lawrence as Nick.

When Barbra left the Broadway production to open the show in London, Mimi Hines took over. Although her performance was very different, she got great reviews and kept the show running as long as Barbra had. Hines' husband Phil Ford took over as Eddie Ryan.

by Anonymousreply 33November 14, 2021 8:45 AM

[quote]Even back in 1968, you knew Streisand would become iconic.

Dearest R32, Barbra Streisand was already the biggest star on the planet before a minute of Funny Girl was filmed.

by Anonymousreply 34November 14, 2021 2:12 PM

Get this - Richard Harris was considered as a co-star for another Streisand movie musical, On a Clear Day. I can see equal chemistry there, but they went with dud Yves Montand. Perhaps they were afraid of Harris overshadowing her, she was what they were selling.

by Anonymousreply 35November 14, 2021 3:43 PM

This is so serendipitous! I also watched the movie again this week, and agree; IT IS NOT GOOD, ESPECIALLY FOR A FILM DIRECTED BY THE GREAT WILLIAM WYLER. So much of Streisand's performance is repetitious schtick, and ending the film with "My Man" is powerful but wrong. "Don't Rain on my Parade" is far more appropriate. Sharif is awful, but then, it's a nothing role. Will be amazing if the revival on Broadway is successful since there's really no there there without Streisand's voice.

by Anonymousreply 36November 14, 2021 4:00 PM

Walter Matthau should have been cast as Nicky. I mean, look how successful the pairing of Streisand and Matthau were in 'Hello Dolly'.

by Anonymousreply 37November 14, 2021 4:09 PM

Yul Brynner as Nick Arnstein?

by Anonymousreply 38November 14, 2021 4:12 PM

I understand both Tony Curtis and Gregory Peck were possibilities. And hard to believe - David Janssen was considered too.

by Anonymousreply 39November 14, 2021 4:15 PM

R6 Thank you for the interesting commentary. I knew none of this. I did read somewhere that Nick Arnstein threatened to sue if they didn’t change the way we was portrayed. Apparently he was a complete shit heel. If you google there is a lot of Fanny Brice biographical information. Very very well to do family. Her mother made a lot of money owning not just one, but a string of bars which she then sold and invested in real estate. They lived in a big house with servants and a liveried horse and carriage. She lived with Arnstein for years before marrying him. The musical Funny Girl is to Fanny Brice as Gypsy is to Gypsy Rose Lee, it’s a musical fable. What I never understood about the movie was the opening credits. What was that all about? The reverse color psychedelic effect. It was very 60’s and didn’t fit in with the movies’ period at all. It really is a flawed movie.

by Anonymousreply 40November 14, 2021 4:21 PM

The opening TITLES, R40? That's my favorite part of the movie.

by Anonymousreply 41November 14, 2021 4:47 PM

[quote]Dearest R32, Barbra Streisand was already the biggest star on the planet before a minute of Funny Girl was filmed.

I'm guessing that R32 was referring specifically to her film career ("it was the birth of a true movie star'), since FG was her very first movie.

by Anonymousreply 42November 14, 2021 6:05 PM

r40-41. The opening titles as we see them now were a replacement for another opening. I'd love to know what those looked like.

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by Anonymousreply 43November 14, 2021 6:59 PM

[quote]It was very 60’s and didn’t fit in with the movies’ period at all.

Much like Barbra's asymmetrical bob, Cleopatra eyeliner, and frosted claws (which I actually enjoyed as camp).

by Anonymousreply 44November 14, 2021 7:04 PM

If you were around in 1968, you already knew Funny Girl was about Barbra Streisand and not Fanny Brice since it was an extremely successful Broadway show, and the songs were played and covered excessively.

by Anonymousreply 45November 14, 2021 7:11 PM

r44: And "His Love Makes Me Beautiful" looks like a floor show at Caesar's Palace.

by Anonymousreply 46November 14, 2021 7:11 PM

It really does, r46.

by Anonymousreply 47November 14, 2021 7:13 PM

I watched it over the summer for the first time. While Barbra Streisand certainly has star quality, the overall film was mediocre.

by Anonymousreply 48November 14, 2021 7:18 PM

I've watched it a few times over the years, and I'm not a big fan of Babs. Her early films are okay in small doses, but I can't really take much of her.

I think it's a terrific movie musical, funny and with good songs, Sharif was no actor but he was as sexy as hell, it's very entertaining overall, and is a great showpiece for Streisand as it shows off everything she does well. AND she dominates the movie the way a star should, but her ego isn't allowed to run rampant over everything the way it does in her later work.

by Anonymousreply 49November 14, 2021 7:22 PM

Part 1...

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by Anonymousreply 50November 14, 2021 7:31 PM

That’s nice. I just listened to “Fucker Face”.

by Anonymousreply 51November 14, 2021 7:31 PM

According to Babs...

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by Anonymousreply 52November 14, 2021 7:31 PM

[quote]Sharif was no actor

That should be Sharif is no singer

by Anonymousreply 53November 14, 2021 8:20 PM

Why not Rock Hudson as Nicky Arnstein.

by Anonymousreply 54November 14, 2021 8:35 PM

If the actor can't sing, it's a bad suggestion no matter who it is.

by Anonymousreply 55November 14, 2021 8:50 PM

The first half works just fine. The second half meanders along

by Anonymousreply 56November 14, 2021 8:53 PM

Funny Girl the movie drags in many places. The production numbers are mostly good. Omar Sharif was brilliant casting as the sophisticated Jew. Why not this debonair and elegant Egyptian leading man? Even as a boy I noticed how much he was from another world. Dreamy and seductive. That is the impact the character is suppose to have on Fanny. And it works.

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by Anonymousreply 57November 14, 2021 8:57 PM

Sharif was a matinee idol in mid-century Egyptian movies. "The golden age". He played comedy and drama and he was devastatingly handsome. These movies are very little known in Europe and North America and its a pity.

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by Anonymousreply 58November 14, 2021 9:05 PM

Christopher Plummer could have played Arnstein. Not a great singer but he had had a starring role in the most successful musical of all time.

by Anonymousreply 59November 14, 2021 9:06 PM

What about DL fave John Gavin? Sufficiently small fry to play distant second lead to Babs...

by Anonymousreply 60November 14, 2021 9:10 PM

This clip shows off his physicality. He was the toast of Cannes and the beautiful people, who invited him to jump to Western cinema, with great success.

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by Anonymousreply 61November 14, 2021 9:16 PM

[quote]Christopher Plummer could have played Arnstein. Not a great singer but he had had a starring role in the most successful musical of all time.

And his vocals were dubbed in TSOM. It's just bizarre to me that they didn't choose to do the same for Omar Sharif in FG. Surely they could have found someone whose singing vocals were close enough to Sharif's speaking voice to make it work. Hell, Marni Nixon did it for a lot of different actresses.

by Anonymousreply 62November 14, 2021 9:21 PM

Jack Cassidy!

Jerry Orbach!

by Anonymousreply 63November 14, 2021 9:23 PM

Memorialized in song...

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by Anonymousreply 64November 14, 2021 9:25 PM

[quote]Who would you have cast instead of Omar?

Slim Whitman

Boxcar Willie

Liberace

by Anonymousreply 65November 14, 2021 9:27 PM

[Quote] It's just bizarre to me that they didn't choose to do the same for Omar Sharif in FG

Do you think it was bizarre that Mandy Patinkin didn't sing at all in "Yentl"?

by Anonymousreply 66November 14, 2021 9:28 PM

Good ol' Slim Whitman!

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by Anonymousreply 67November 14, 2021 9:29 PM

You think Barbra was going to let Irene Molloy sound like this, r66?

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by Anonymousreply 68November 14, 2021 9:36 PM

Or let Irene Molloy look like this...

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by Anonymousreply 69November 14, 2021 9:43 PM

Why not Merv Griffin?

Rock Hudson was too tall for the role

by Anonymousreply 70November 14, 2021 9:54 PM

It's a decent movie, but it bears next to no resemblance to who Fanny Brice actually was. And Streisand doesn't even bother to understand Brice's unique vocal characterizations.

Funny Lady is actually closer in spirit to who she really was, and it's one of the rare instances that Streisand actually attempts a character.

by Anonymousreply 71November 14, 2021 9:56 PM

WHY SHOULD SHE, R71? Funny Girl was a Broadway show that showcased Streisand, you expect that they'd alter it to Brice specifications for the movie? Funny Lady was a fucking debacle.

by Anonymousreply 72November 14, 2021 10:00 PM

[quote]Funny Girl was a Broadway show that showcased Streisand,

It was a musical about Fanny Brice.

You're supposed to have some understanding about the character you're playing. That's acting.

by Anonymousreply 73November 14, 2021 10:02 PM

Barbra only worked with guys she wanted for a mate. Never worked out for her.

by Anonymousreply 74November 14, 2021 10:04 PM

Sandy wasn't testing for Molloy, r69.

by Anonymousreply 75November 14, 2021 10:10 PM

[Quote] Sandy wasn't testing for Molloy, [R69].

No, but she was testing opposite "an" Irene Molloy, the very pretty and assured Trisha Noble.

by Anonymousreply 76November 14, 2021 10:14 PM

Barbra was playing a character that the writers and composer handed to her, r73. It wasn't a documentary.

by Anonymousreply 77November 14, 2021 10:15 PM

Hardly. The show was built around Streisand. Jerome Robbins insisted on making it the Barbra show.

by Anonymousreply 78November 14, 2021 10:16 PM

Oops, sorry, r76. Yes, Barbra wouldn't have gone for Trish.

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by Anonymousreply 79November 14, 2021 10:18 PM

R73 = unfamiliar with Broadway musicals

by Anonymousreply 80November 14, 2021 10:25 PM

Fucker face I love you. Fucker face I need you…

by Anonymousreply 81November 14, 2021 11:24 PM

Look out, Beanie!

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by Anonymousreply 82November 15, 2021 12:05 AM

Brice's ashes are now at Westwood Cemetery in the Stark family plot. They paid $400,000 for back in 1997/98.

by Anonymousreply 83November 15, 2021 1:43 AM

Despite her Broadway show and then films experience inhabiting the role, Babs does not conjure Fanny Brice to me at all. If only somehow it could've been made a few years later and gotten the rights to let Bette Midler play the part -- I think that the lead performance would've been much more fun and satisfying.

by Anonymousreply 84November 15, 2021 1:55 AM

Sergio Franchi IS Nick! ;D

by Anonymousreply 85November 15, 2021 1:59 AM

R84, DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND that the object was not to conjure Fanny Brice to you or anyone? Nobody gave a shit about the real Fannie Brice, and if Bette Midler went all Borsht Belt for two hours, they still wouldn't give a shit.

by Anonymousreply 86November 15, 2021 2:02 AM

I realize the movie jumps ahead in time in the second half, but the character change in Brice is a bit jarring. She goes from a goofy, funny naive girl to this sophisticated starlet in like ten minutes. The scene where she is waiting for Nick to come home after missing her opening night was a bit jarring, in terms of her character development. She's smoking a cigarette ('cause you know, that's what sophisticated people did in the movies back then) while reclining on the divan, and her character takes on a whole different demeanor, including the way she speaks. (It kind of reminded me of when Madonna married Guy Ritchie and moved to the UK and suddenly started speaking with an accent). I'm sure a lot of this had to do with the film editing, as it seems pretty clear by now that a significant amount of footage was cut. While I know this is common in movie making, they just seemed to lose sight of any kind of continuity. This really is not a good movie at all.

by Anonymousreply 87November 15, 2021 2:38 AM

[quote]as it seems pretty clear by now that a significant amount of footage was cut.

Yes, and the stories on that are legendary. The rumors at the time were that Streisand was co -directing the picture.

[quote]unfamiliar with Broadway musicals

The musical was actually much more of an ensemble piece that delved into the Ziegfield Follies and Fanny's relationship with the company . Kay Medford even had a bigger part in the musical.

Had that stuff remained when they transferred it to the screen, it might have made for a better picture. But of course, you know who wouldn't have allowed that in her debut picture.

by Anonymousreply 88November 15, 2021 2:47 AM

R188, you kind of beat me to the comment I was going to make. Someone was complaining about Streisand's on set behavior and he said "You'll have to excuse her. It's the first film she ever tried to direct."

by Anonymousreply 89November 15, 2021 3:00 AM

Arlene always has to show up in a FG thread.

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by Anonymousreply 90November 15, 2021 3:02 AM

I fucked that all up at r89. I'll try it again.

[R88], you kind of beat me to the comment I was going to make. Someone was complaining about Streisand's on set behavior and Wyler said "You'll have to excuse her. It's the first film she's ever tried to direct."

by Anonymousreply 91November 15, 2021 3:05 AM

I saw it on the big screen for the first time a few years ago.

I like Barbra enough, but I thought it was dated and boring. Some fun moments, but....I started to think they should have left in "Rat Tat Tat" and "Henry Street", I mean how could they hurt?

by Anonymousreply 92November 15, 2021 3:11 AM

[quote] I don't think Streisand would have won an Oscar if not for the final My Man scene. That was the best scene in the entire film and it's what people remember as the credits roll.

You lost all credibility with that statement. The movie is at its greatest in the beginning and deteriorates rapidly after she is married. Her singing My Man at the end is a total bore.

by Anonymousreply 93November 15, 2021 3:13 AM

[quote]Her singing My Man at the end is a total bore.

Yeah, you and .000000001% of the population agree. The final scene is fucking iconic. It's what people remember about the movie. Not much else.

by Anonymousreply 94November 15, 2021 3:15 AM

People remember "My Man" over "Don't Rain on My Parade" and the tugboat?

by Anonymousreply 95November 15, 2021 3:16 AM

I know the screenplay is different from the book of the stage production, but what number in the movie, if any, replaces "The Music That Makes Me Dance"? That to me is the most egregious cut from the film version.

by Anonymousreply 96November 15, 2021 3:17 AM

"My Man," silly.

by Anonymousreply 97November 15, 2021 3:18 AM

People remember both, r95, but My Man won her the Oscar.

by Anonymousreply 98November 15, 2021 3:47 AM

Anne Francis (looking very pretty in the movie) expected a much bigger part but when she saw the finished product and that it was all about Babs she asked that her name be taken off the credits.

by Anonymousreply 99November 15, 2021 3:48 AM

I find it hard to believe that Anne Francis was that naive. Allyn Ann McLerie had already departed the show pre-Broadway. I expect Francis just took the opportunity to be in an 'A 'picture even if she knew the part wouldn't amount to much.

by Anonymousreply 100November 15, 2021 3:57 AM

Poor Anne Francis just couldn't catch a break. She had to go through the indignity of having Gilbert make her doll really homely.

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by Anonymousreply 101November 15, 2021 3:57 AM

R100 Anne was under the impression that it could possibly launch a successful film comeback for her but then Wyler and Babs got ahold of the editing scissors and.........

by Anonymousreply 102November 15, 2021 4:01 AM

Yes, excising "The Music That Makes Me Dance", wtf. Great great song.

by Anonymousreply 103November 15, 2021 4:04 AM

Regardless of how you feel about My Man, r103, it was the right choice.

by Anonymousreply 104November 15, 2021 4:09 AM

Reminds me of the article Frank Pierson, the director of the Streisand "A Star is Born" wrote entitled "My Battles With Barbra and Jon" in which he broke standard privacy protocol and talked about his horrible experience working on the film. Streisand contractually had final cut, so Pierson turned in his cut, only to have it re-edited by Barbra. After he viewed her work [emphasis mine]:

[quote]All night the movie plays over in my head. Kris's character often seems an unpleasant drunken dangerous bore: she seems silly—why would she love him? I see she has speeded up the film by cutting his establishing scene, moments of boyishness, of feeling the pain of his existence, that make us feel for him and with him; she has cut his reactions—when something happens to him, she cuts away from his reaction, so we fail to know how he feels. The sadness, the wonderful wasted quality Kris brought the part, the exhaustion and the playfulness with which he courts her, his delight in finding her is diminished or gone, [bold]in order for the film to dwell on her[/bold].

by Anonymousreply 105November 15, 2021 4:48 AM

[quote] I find it hard to believe that Anne Francis was that naive. Allyn Ann McLerie had already departed the show pre-Broadway.

Who is Allyn Ann McLerie and what has she got to do with Anne Francis?

by Anonymousreply 106November 15, 2021 4:55 AM

Shariff hardly has any singing in "Funny Girl" anyway. He looked great, and his character looked like he really liked Fanny. The second half of the movie is really kind of boring with the exception of the "Sadie, Sadie" number the "My Man". But since they cut the gorgeous "Music That Makes Me Dance', they also cut the fabulous overture, which is on par with Jule Styne's "Gypsy", since that song is pretty prominent in the overture. Barbra knows how good it is, since she's used the "Funny Girl" overture in her recent live shows as the opening.

by Anonymousreply 107November 15, 2021 4:57 AM

Nick Arnstein was a German-born Jew, so it's logical that they would cast a heavily-accented Egyptian guy. Sharif was stiff and looked bored and was just awful in the entire film.

by Anonymousreply 108November 15, 2021 5:01 AM

Arnstein also looked more like Steve Lawrence, but Fanny Brice's daughter wanted to glamourize him, especially since at first she as so against having Barbra play Fanny. She wanted some really traditionally very pretty to play the reasonably attractive but much more charactery in real life Fanny.

by Anonymousreply 109November 15, 2021 5:08 AM

Fucker face I love you

Fucker face I need you

by Anonymousreply 110November 15, 2021 5:42 AM

Casting hot James Caan as Billy Rose in "Funny Lady" took real Hollywood chutzpah.

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by Anonymousreply 111November 15, 2021 7:06 AM

[Quote] Who is Allyn Ann McLerie and what has she got to do with Anne Francis?

They played the same role, basically. The role was cut for Broadway and cut down for the movie.

by Anonymousreply 112November 15, 2021 2:12 PM

r111: Robert Blake was initially considered, but Streisand thought he wouldn't "look good with her" (she was probably right) but Blake would have gotten Rose perfectly.

And though r71 is correct about Barbras performance in FUNNY LADY, her look in that film is even more off-kilter. Brice was never a blonde, and Streisand looks more like she's playing Alice Faye in ROSE OF WASHINGTON SQUARE (Brice sued Fox for ripping off her life story) .

Fun Fact: Faye was taught to sing "My Man" in ROSE by Fox's vocal coach Juke Styne,.

by Anonymousreply 113November 15, 2021 3:53 PM

R113, in reality, Robert Blake walked out after the reading in a mental snit. The original story was - he was told he got it (the part), and said "I just did it," and left. Blake resembled the character, and I wonder how the movie would be if he was cast as Billy Rose, how the whole movie would be if they went realistic. To me, Funny Lady is about clothes and wigs more than anything else.

[quote] She's smoking a cigarette ('cause you know, that's what sophisticated people did in the movies back then)

The smoking is supposed to show how "upset" the character was, she didn't smoke earlier.

by Anonymousreply 114November 15, 2021 4:01 PM

[quote]"I just did it"

Clarification - that's what Blake was supposed to have said after a reading

by Anonymousreply 115November 15, 2021 4:08 PM

Threads like this always remind me of this brilliant movie scene...

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by Anonymousreply 116November 15, 2021 4:28 PM

Blake had done a similar part to Rose? Or they wanted to screen test him after the reading?

by Anonymousreply 117November 15, 2021 5:53 PM

Yeah, Blake's comment is indecipherable without a little more context.

Blake's looking , or even "acting" more like Billy Rose wouldn't have made that film any better. And audiences in the 1970s really had no clear reference or interest in what Rose was really like. At least Caan brought some sex appeal, which Blake IMHO couldn't have done, with Barbra.

by Anonymousreply 118November 15, 2021 6:56 PM

R118, I disagree. If they had done a real 1970s movie, that means make it gritty and realistic instead fluffy pseudo 1940s shit, the movie would have been infinitely better. They could have done that with Caan as well, of course.

Dat's da name a dat tune

- Robert Blake

by Anonymousreply 119November 15, 2021 7:06 PM

Well, they would have had to make it without Streisand, r119, because when did she ever allow herself to be filmed as gritty and real?

by Anonymousreply 120November 15, 2021 7:09 PM

Gritty and real would have ruined my nails.

by Anonymousreply 121November 15, 2021 7:20 PM

But she played a very believable two-bit nasty street hooker in Nuts! Oh wait….

by Anonymousreply 122November 15, 2021 9:36 PM

The Owl and the Pussycat role was better and more believable.

by Anonymousreply 123November 15, 2021 9:51 PM

How about Tony Bennett? Unconventional, but he certainly was well known at the time as a singer. I suppose they would've had to give him more music, taking away time from Babs.

by Anonymousreply 124November 15, 2021 10:04 PM

Are ther any good biographies on Brice?

by Anonymousreply 125November 15, 2021 10:41 PM

Bennett got bad notices for the film "The Oscar" , so that was probably that for any consideration. Again, Arnstein doesn't sing much in the film (and not too much more in the original show).

by Anonymousreply 126November 15, 2021 10:43 PM

[quote]How about Tony Bennett?

HA HA HA. Tony was my favorite boy singer, but he was no actor as R126 said. Actually, he was unbearably bad in The Oscar. Pius Tony is short and hardly the heartthrob type that the role requires.

by Anonymousreply 127November 15, 2021 11:42 PM

Can't blame Anne Francis for being upset after seeing R16; all of her best scenes were cut.

by Anonymousreply 128November 15, 2021 11:47 PM

Has anyone seen Anne Francis' call girl movie with Kay Medford as her Madam?

by Anonymousreply 129November 15, 2021 11:50 PM

I watched Hello Dolly again a few years ago and Marianne McAndrew's Molly Malloy was one of the very few recognizable human beings in the film. Everyone else overacts like crazy.

by Anonymousreply 130November 16, 2021 12:09 AM

r119: Vilmos Zsigmond working only two and a half days before he was fired. Zsigmond, who would later win the Oscar for his cinematography on Close Encounters of the Third Kind, explained: “I spent six weeks researching the film, I wanted the movie to look less like Funny Girl and more like Cabaret. Realistically a theater is dark when a performance begins. When the curtain rises you do not see the audience. And that’s how I lit the scene.”

One of the dancers in “Great Day,” Larry Vickers, relayed that he heard Streisand question the amount of lighting on her. “Herb, Herb,” she said, “it feels kind of cold up here.”

Zsigmond’s camera operator Nick McLean elaborated: “There [were] 40 black dancers coming down the staircase and we were pushing the film two stops, force developing it and doing all these tricks, and when we watched the dailies all you could see was 40 sets of teeth coming down the stairs. The black guys just totally disappeared. The result of that was they took Vilmos aside and fired him.”

“They said it was too dark,” Zsigmond stated. “They wanted Funny Girl or Hello Dolly! They wanted the old concept of musicals. They were not interested in art, but in making it safe.”

by Anonymousreply 131November 16, 2021 12:20 AM

I liked Mae Questel.

by Anonymousreply 132November 16, 2021 12:29 AM

Her name is Bobbie Williams, r129.

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by Anonymousreply 133November 16, 2021 12:37 AM

Mae...

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by Anonymousreply 134November 16, 2021 12:38 AM

R131 - Jon Peters, the culprit

by Anonymousreply 135November 16, 2021 12:55 AM

[quote]Blake had done a similar part to Rose?

Are we talking Funny Lady or Gypsy?

by Anonymousreply 136November 16, 2021 1:52 AM

They replaced Zsigmond with James Wong Howe, the veteran Hollywood cinematographer who won Oscars for "The Rose Tattoo" and "Hud". He was nominated again for "Funny Lady", his last feature, and died soon after. They were both incredibly talented, but Howe was a product of the studio system and Zsigmond had worked with Altman and other younger directors who wanted a different look for their movies. Zsigmond later won an Oscar for "Close Encounters of the Third Kind", but said they had wanted to fire him several times on that movie too.

by Anonymousreply 137November 16, 2021 1:54 AM

I always heard that Al Pacino was a favorite for the role but since it was a supporting part, he said no.

by Anonymousreply 138November 16, 2021 2:20 AM

I watched Bones but....nope...I don't remember him. I remember the name Epps, but I'm not remembering his episodes.

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by Anonymousreply 139November 16, 2021 2:36 AM

^oops

by Anonymousreply 140November 16, 2021 2:37 AM

[quote]I always heard that Al Pacino was a favorite for the role

WHAT ROLE?

by Anonymousreply 141November 16, 2021 8:10 PM

R141 For the love interest in Funny Lady played by James Caan. I've read that as well. It's amusing to imagine Babs and Al working together.

by Anonymousreply 142November 16, 2021 8:22 PM

Al was perfect casting for Nicky back in the day just way too big a star for a supporting role.

by Anonymousreply 143November 16, 2021 8:22 PM

R143 You mean in 1968? Al was barely a stage actor then. He won a Tony in 1969, got his first leading role in 1971 (Panic in Needle Park), and hit stardom in 1972 (The Godfather.). I do think he would have been a great casting for Nicky in retrospect, don't know about his singing chops though.

by Anonymousreply 144November 16, 2021 8:25 PM

Al Pacino was a red hot non-singing actor in 1974. Under no circumstances would he have agreed to do a Streisand musical. And, R142, there was absolutely no talk about him being considered. If you read it in some book, forget about it, it's bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 145November 16, 2021 8:29 PM

True, r144. I was thinking of Funny Lady.

by Anonymousreply 146November 16, 2021 8:30 PM

Could Paul Newman have worked as Nick? Joel Grey as Eddie Ryan?

by Anonymousreply 147November 16, 2021 9:49 PM

Stop, just stop, R147.

by Anonymousreply 148November 17, 2021 1:31 AM

Gene Wilder!

by Anonymousreply 149November 17, 2021 5:04 AM

James Wong Howe convinced Babs he could achieve good lightening without diffusion. “I’m not using any diffusion, because this is a beautiful lens. It must have cost five or six thousand dollars and it has wonderful resolution. I’m not going to ruin it by putting a $2.50 piece of glass in front of it. I’d rather get the effect with lights.”

He also convinced her that a little extra care with camera angels and ligth would take care of her good side/bad side fixation . She´s filmed from both sides more times than in any other of her films.

Bob Mackie said she had one of the best titts in hollywood and wondered why she didn´t show them more. It did´nt prevent him though to put her in the most unflattering wadrobe of her career.

And that terrible hairdo makes her look like a relative of Yetta and Sylvia Fine in "The Nanny"

by Anonymousreply 150November 23, 2021 1:47 PM

[quote]Bob Mackie said she had one of the best titts in hollywood

Which one?

by Anonymousreply 151November 23, 2021 1:52 PM

It sucks. The musical sucks. If it wasn’t for Gypsy then MAYBE I would like it better. But as it is, Funny Girl and Gypsy, both are about an awkward girl who climbs to fame in the vaudeville system, and Gypsy does it all better.

by Anonymousreply 152November 23, 2021 1:56 PM

[quote]And that terrible hairdo makes her look like a relative of Yetta and Sylvia Fine in "The Nanny"

HAIRDO? Is Streisand's hair present in the film? HA!

by Anonymousreply 153November 23, 2021 2:14 PM

Bot Streisand and Shariff have among the best entrances in film history. Streisand in Funny Girl and Shariff in Lawrence.

by Anonymousreply 154November 23, 2021 2:22 PM

R151 Oy dearing myself.

SET of tits.

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by Anonymousreply 155November 23, 2021 3:16 PM

It's not a good stage show either, but it was a hit Streisand vehicle and it hit in both formats.

by Anonymousreply 156November 23, 2021 3:29 PM

Funny Girl has the better score. I never want to hear Gypsy again.

by Anonymousreply 157November 24, 2021 12:44 AM

The Funny Girl movie is basically like Barbras 60ies TV-Specials only on a cinematic scale.

.....and i like it that way because she got the talent, charisma and voice to pull it off.

If you are familiar with her work over the decades some of it may seem shtick & gimmicks because she has milked the persona and the songs again and again. At the time she gave the audience something groundbreaking, new and fresh in terms what a movie star is.

I also think it was the only time she attended all major premiers of a movie of hers (LA;NY;London,Paris) and looked fab in Scaasi, till Yentl opened.

by Anonymousreply 158November 29, 2021 3:13 PM

New York

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by Anonymousreply 159November 29, 2021 3:23 PM

London

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by Anonymousreply 160November 29, 2021 3:33 PM

Paris

with Maurice Chevalier as her escort and she was seated at a table with Callas.

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by Anonymousreply 161November 29, 2021 3:34 PM

Thanks for clips, R159-161. Never saw those before.

by Anonymousreply 162November 29, 2021 5:53 PM

I’m listening to “Fucker Face”.

by Anonymousreply 163November 29, 2021 11:54 PM

Only two movies have played the Palais Garnier(for one night each) Gance's Napoleon and Funny Girl.

by Anonymousreply 164November 30, 2021 4:20 AM

Little Jason almost ruined the Scassi frock with his crayons.

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by Anonymousreply 165December 5, 2021 6:24 AM

The film was huge hit and the #1 at the BO for 1968 and a Best Picture nominee but, I've tried watching it several times over the years and just can't get into it. It seems so boring. I actually prefer Hello, Dolly!

by Anonymousreply 166December 5, 2021 6:59 AM
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