Paul Newman’s memoir to be published 14 years after his death

Looking forward to it. On a side note. I can’t believe Joanne Woodward is still alive. The poor thing reportedly has no memory but of being married to Newman.

Sal Mineo acknowledged there were bisexual rumors about Newman in an interview he gave a few years before he died. There must be some merit to them. Newman was also a vocal supporter of the gay community.

I want to travel back in time, cradle his face in my hands, and lick it.

Look at that man. Delicious.

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Will it mention the rumors about him and Brandon De Wilde being fuck buddies?

There will be NOTHING about the homosex in this book.

Brandon brandishing his six shooter and what looks like his eight shooter too.

Link isn't working R7.

The link works for me.

Brandon deWilde was 3 things. DE LI CIOUS!

He was a beautiful man and I'm sure he had no shortage of men and women after his dick. He could have been bi but I don't think there's substantial evidence of it as opposed to others.

I've said this many times before and I'll say it once again.

IF RAYMOND BURR & EARL HOLLIMAN COULD BE COCK SUCKERS, ANY MAN CAN!

I don't believe Joanne Woodward is demented.

She's 90 years old and has had alzheimer's for quite some time. She's not going to be around much longer.

Are the profits from this book going to his foundation?

He will spill nothing of note. Not his same-sex dalliances, not his threesome with Eartha Kitt and James Dean not his hookup with Tom Cruise. Memoirs are intended to burnish the subject's legend and that's what this will do. Actors are all narcissistic attention-craving black holes who buy their own myth.

But maybe the main condition of his memoir was that it not be published until after his wife’s death? And that sadly seems imminent. I think he will be honest about his bisexuality and the “understanding” between him and Joanne that he could have sex/flings/affairs with men as long as it was never close to home.

I also assume he’ll be honest about the circumstances leading up to his son’s suicide.

Will be talk about how Joanne Woodward broke up his marriage?

R18 = 1950s version of Jennifer Aniston fangurls

DL insisting that a hot male Hollywood star was gay?

Quelle surprise!

R19 the late Scott Newman never forgave Joanne Woodward for breaking up his family

Why do you think he turned to drugs

Paul Newman had all the affair(s), but Joanne Woodward broke up the family?

DL's dickmatised, misogynistic delusions will never cease, will they?

R21 Would being privy to the clearly unhappy marriage of Paul and his first wife have saved him? My aunt and uncle despised each other but stayed together for the "sake of the kids" and made my cousins insane and miserable. Let's face it: you can't homewreck a happy couple, and Paul and Joanne stayed together until Paul's death following him leaving his first wife. It wasn't just some stupid fling.

R22 what affairs did Paul Newman have before the one he had with Joanne Woodward?

[quote] you can't homewreck a happy couple

Well we don't know that because Joanne couldn't keep her hands off Paul - she didn't even give Paul the space to make that marriage work, before throwing herself at him

Meh, r22, the "Joanne Woodward broke up his marriage" squad only push that shit because otherwise they'd have to admit to themselves that their own husband or wife who was also "stolen" from them by someone else actually left because they WANTED to go. They weren't some victim , powerless and manipulated who - if not for that other bitch or bastard - would STILL be with them today.

Do we have a "Joanne Woodward was a homewrecking hussy" troll now?

[quote] Do we have a "Joanne Woodward was a homewrecking hussy" troll now?

You must be new here

R28 I like but don't love Newman/Woodward (a little too nice and boring of figures for me) so I haven't been on threads for them

In Lawrence J. Quirk biography he describes Joanne Woodward as "Miss Bitch," depicting her throughout as jealous, home-wrecking and hysterical.

In every Paul Newman biography, it is outlined very clearly how Joanne Woodward was a home wrecker - no book on Paul Newman has ever had Joanne in a shinning light after she destroyed a marriage (with children)

DL's had a psycho Joanne Woodward's a homewrecker troll for decades. Must be as old as Joanne now. Must be Paul's first wife.

Complicated family dynamics for sure. The daughters did not end up inheriting/running his foundation or food business the way they had expected.

Even if he talks about sex it will be vaguely implied like the 1950s moviestar he is. "Yes, I knew James Dean, but not much after the picture wrapped". DL will be so disappointed by the memoir.

Will there be vintage nude photos? He was slight and tight. Beautiful example of that type.

R32 the oldest daughter Nell runs Newman's Own and one of her sisters runs the Hole in the Wall Camps. The third daughter's married to a very rich guy. She was an equestrian like all heiresses. Don't know what happened to the 2 daughters from the first marriage. They must be in their 70s now.

A little more 2021 info on Newman’s Own

I can’t imagine him dissing anyone and I doubt this will be particularly juicy, but I’m still going to read it when it comes out if only to hear him discuss his jealousy of Brando and Dean when he was starting out. I don’t think he will cover anything about sexuality unfortunately. Even if he were bi I don’t think he was a rock Hudson type who slept around with disregard and had pool parties… I think more than anything the “juicy” stuff will be with regards to his alleged drinking problem and his guilt over his son’s suicide.

There has to something explosive for him to leave instructions to publish it so long after his.

Wait, he’s dead? But I was just eating his salad dressing. WTF?

R38, from the article it apppears that the manuscript was just left unpublished because Newman never got around to finishing it. Where does it state that he left instructions not to publish until long (or at any point) after his death?

R14, obviously Joanne Woodward will not live much longer. But there is no reliable evidence that she has Alzheimers or has been suffering from it for a long time.

[quote]But maybe the main condition of his memoir was that it not be published until after his wife’s death?

Are you nuts? Paul has four living children, you're going to have to wait until they're dead too.

FUN FACT: Paul Newman's first wife resembled Carol Burnett. And you guys think Joanne wasn't good looking!

Joanne Woodward is still alive at nearly 100. She was a huge star back in the 1970s but is mostly forgotten today, kind of like Julie Christie.

Using your math, R42, Betty White is nearly 110.

They don’t make em like him anymore! Not only was he fine as hell (and stayed that way till his dying day) - more importantly, he was a great person inside, too.

^ Exactly why there'll be no tea spilled.

@r41, Wow, no wonder he left her

I think he’ll explain his “understanding/agreement” with Joanne but won’t name names.

[quote]Joanne Woodward is still alive at nearly 100. She was a huge star back in the 1970s but is mostly forgotten today, kind of like Julie Christie.

Not quite. Joanne was a name in the 1950s. She worked far less in the 60s as she had three children. The 1970s was her revival as an older character actress. She was always sort of a character actress who got interesting roles, she was never regularly a sex bomb or perky lead, and didn't want to be. Absolutely nothing like Julie Christie.

R16 ...

I totally agree with you OP and R17. That Paul in his autubio "will be honest about his bisexuality and the “understanding” between him and Joanne that he could have sex/flings/affairs with men as long as it was never close to home. I also assume he’ll be honest about the circumstances leading up to his son’s suicide."

Of course Paul will frankly discuss all that as well as his preferred positions with his male lovers, his love life with his wives, and also his experiences with venereal diseases, his financial troubles and disappointments with his children, including their crimes, and how he dealt with being sexually objectified.

So young.

He was beautiful, that's for sure.

At this point in time who cares about hollywoid actors and their continual grasping for attention.if they could only learn just to act and STFU about themselves...they are friggin exhausting

Fuck off, R50. Or better yet mosey on over to the nearest grease fire and hop right in.

@r52, He did have a near perfect body, one that looks good without much effort

I always suspected Newman had some work on his nose very early on, it looks sculptured. Here he is with brother Arthur who had the original Newman schnozz:

^ Being Jewish he had a little off his dick as well

R50 sounds like fantasy but he was a class act while alive, why would he suddenly dish on his bisexuality now? It sounds too good to be true. I’m inclined to believe he won’t say anything about it and believe me, I wish he would.

Another...

He was so hot in “Paris blues” his body was perfect in that, walking around in the apartment shirtless.

Jesus, that's the worst photoshop I've ever seen R59.

[quote] At this point in time who cares about hollywoid actors and their continual grasping for attention.if they could only learn just to act and STFU about themselves...they are friggin exhausting

You’re aware Newman is long dead, right?

Who cares about him? He has legions of fans who will buy his book, as well as all the people who are interested in old Hollywood and filmmaking in general.

I highly, highly doubt he’ll discuss his bisexuality in this book, though.

Didn’t Newman lobby to play a gay character? I remember reading that somewhere. He was also upset when the references to Brick’s homosexuality in Cat on a Hot Tin Roof were removed.

R2 BH: Do you think rumors about being bi have hurt you in your career?

SM: Maybe. . . Nah, I doubt it. Everyone's got those rumors following him around, whether it's true or not. Everyone's supposed to be bi, starting way back with Gary Cooper and on through Brando and Clift and Dean and Newman and . . . you want me to stop?

Sal Mineo was just trying to save face at the time, I wouldn’t take it as gospel. He also called Jeffrey Hunter a creep. I wonder what Jeffrey Hunter did to receive that insult.

Newman wanted to produce The Front Runner, R63, in the 1970s. Word was wanted to play the lead. I don't know if "lobby" is the term to use. This was when some people liked to say he was gay. Newman is different from Redford, he was a liberal and gay friendly. Redford was terrified anyone would think he was gay, Newman didn't care.

R65 Sal Mineo wasn’t super complimentary towards Newman on this interview. It sounds like they didn’t get along well. But the fact he included Newman with Dean and Brando is telling. He must’ve known something about Newman that we didn’t.

R49 I used to be skeptical of this story bc Darwin Porter but I was reading Kitt Shapiro’s (aka Eartha Kitt’s daughter) book and in one of the last chapters she briefly talked about how Eartha had so many friends who had passed away before her and whom she missed, and the daughter listed Dean and Newman as some of those friends. That made me go hmmm..

I also learned Kitt possibly worked with Porter for a television movie in the 70’s.

So who plowed Eartha’s anus and who plowed her pussy? I think Dean plowed her anus.

Fake.

Even in 2021, the closet is still a thing. People will be so disappointed expecting a zoomer openness to revealing your sexuality from a 1950s guy. This sort of thing was not discussed, even among homosexuals.

This book will not be a confessional the way you'd like, "his family has decided to turn those transcripts into a memoir." His FAMILY.

"The memoir will also cover his marriage to Woodward, which Gethers called 'remarkably loving, affectionate and sexy,' as well as his acting career and racecar driving."

R2, Paul and Joanne once lived with Gore Vidal. One can only imagine what was going on there.

R73 Joanne lived with Vidal, Newman didn't.

I collect old Rona Barrett movie magazines and in one of them she wrote that Gina Lollobrigida, who had a side hustle as a photographer, had tried to convince Newman to pose nude for her, since so many actors like Burt Reynolds were dropping trou in the '70s. Barrett lamented that Newman couldn't be convinced.

The book, notes, memoir was supposedly discovered by Joanne Woodward in their home. Being put together by his family and a publishing company it will be sanitized to the nth degree. There will be no juicy gossip or same sex stories. Saint Paul will be wearing a halo.

It seems mysterious as well as questionable that we will be getting Paul Newman's 'memoir' 14 years after his death. Obviously someone is out to make some $$$$$$$!!

Remember when Josh Lucas was supposed to be the new Paul Newman?

Wait, he’s dead? But I was just tossing his salad. WTF?

Oh, my sides!

Even if Newman had discussed his bisexuality in his memoirs, I doubt the family would have let that stay in the book.

They have salad dressing to sell!

And, really tasty salsa!

Wow, who knew Joanne Woodward was a homewrecker. Paved the way for homewrecking frau extraordinaire Jennifer Garner.

R2 You see Newman’s vocal support of the gay community as evidence of what? His homosexuality? Bisexuality?

You must live in a tiny little world.

"I always suspected Newman had some work on his nose very early on, it looks sculptured. Here he is with brother Arthur who had the original Newman schnozz"

Here's a pic from his college yearbook. You decide

Looks like he had a nose job. More handsome before, IMO.

He and James Dean had chemistry in this screen test. Did he ever comment on Dean's death? He did channel a lot of JD in some of his performances.

^They look like they're about to get it on

^ They probably did right after

[quote] I wonder what Jeffrey Hunter did to receive that insult.

Knocked him back

Woodward was a guest star on a Eunice sketch, who is played by another notorious homewrecker, eight children no less.

R85 Newman said that believed Dean would’ve surpassed him and Brando had he lived. I read he also felt somewhat guilty about his success because he knew he benefited from Dean’s death.

R85 Newman said that he believed Dean would’ve surpassed him and Brando had he lived. I read he also felt somewhat guilty about his success because he knew he benefited from Dean’s death.

Today, Newman winces when you mention ``Silver Chalice.' He thought his Hollywood career was over in this first film. Fortunately, he had an ``out' clause in his contract that let him occasionally return to the stage. The occasion was the play, ``The Desperate Hours.' Once in New York, he didn't go near Hollywood for two years.

``During that time, [there were] more changes for me,' Newman says. ``Jimmy Dean was killed right before we were to work together in a television film called `The Battler.' They were going to cancel the show unless I played the part Jimmy was supposed to do. I was uneasy about doing it. Everything had been cast, so I moved over and played the battler. It jump-started my career.'

``During that time, [there were] more changes for me,' Newman says. ``Jimmy Dean was killed right before we were to work together in a television film called `The Battler.' They were going to cancel the show unless I played the part Jimmy was supposed to do. I was uneasy about doing it. Everything had been cast, so I moved over and played the battler. It jump-started my career.'

Director Robert Wise liked what he saw on TV, and he called Newman to star as the prizefighter Rocky Graziano in ``Somebody Up There Likes Me.'

R82 Sal Mineo said himself there were bisexual rumors about Newman. Why would he say that if there was no truth to them?

Imagine Dean and Newman as Elio and Oliver in Call Me By Your Name. Would’ve been 10x better (and hotter) than Chalamet and Hammer.

[quote]I think more than anything the “juicy” stuff will be with regards to his alleged drinking problem and his guilt over his son’s suicide

I know one of his nurses. He admitted to drinking over a case and a half of beer every day

Does someone have a copy and paste problem?

Does someone have a copy and paste problem?

Does someone have a copy and paste problem?

Does someone have a copy and paste problem?

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R96 Yes, you got me.

With DL fave Faye Dunaway in DL fave movie "The Towering Inferno"!

That's a lotta orange, R99.

My understanding is that he dumped the first wife while she was taking care of his son and daughters while Paul was in Hollywood. When his son was eight, Paul hooked up with his second wife. That made me lose respect for Paul right there. It's hard growing up as is.

It's a pity Paul Newman never produced/starred in the film adaptation of "The Front Runner," eventually becoming too old to play the closeted track coach. IIRC, he wanted Jan Michael Vincent to co-star in the role of his ill-fated lover.

Yes r101. Far better for two people who no longer love one another to stay together for the sake of the children.

And fuck somebody else on the side.

Will it mention his reputedly small cock?

R41 Sorry, that isn’t a picture of Paul’s first wife. People often attribute it as her but this is what she really looked like:

And on their wedding day:

[quote]Wow, who knew Joanne Woodward was a homewrecker.

You should know because the DL is the only place on the planet that uses the word "homewrecker." Oh yeah, besides my grandmother.

[quote] Remember when Josh Lucas was supposed to be the new Paul Newman?

No. Who?

Jan-Michael Vincent would have been bad casting for Billy Sive. I remember at the time there was speculation it could be John Savage, who would have been perfect.

Actor Ben Murphy was once considered a Paul Newman look a like - so much so that he starred in the TV western comedy series Alias Smith and Jones in 1972. He was the "funny one," the Newman-like character in a series which only came to be because of the success of the film Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid. Slight look a like Tom Berenger literally played Butch Cassidy in the 1979 prequel to the movie.

Paul Walker had something similar to Newman in looks. Not lookalikes but somehow the same kind of masculinity. Unfortunately, walk was a lite talent and a creep.

[quote]Sal Mineo said himself there were bisexual rumors about Newman. Why would he say that if there was no truth to them?

To start trouble, you know what he was like.

Just before he made "Somebody Up There Likes Me", he made "The Rack", which is one of his greatest performances. It was based on a TV play by Rod Serling, adapted by Stewart Stern, who became Newman's frequent collaborator and good friend. Stern says Dean was slated for "Somebody Up There Likes Me" as well as "The Battler".

I bet details of Newman’s bisexuality is contained in the vault of secrets that Roddy McDowall left behind. And that little bitch knew everything about everybody. I don’t think it will be opened for another twenty years, though.

I doubt that: I think it’s wishful thinking that we will ever learn that newman’s sexuality was anything other than what he presented as (hetero). The juiciest stuff might be regarding any affairs he had with other women while with Joanne but how he always went back to Joanne.

Um, no, R111.

R115, the "big secret" about Paul Newman was that he was a functioning and semi-functioning alcoholic. Since he's dead, anything can be written, it can all come out. Why hasn't it? A couple of women have said they had affairs or had a sexual experience with him while he was married. Where is everyone else, do they exist beyond your fantasies?

R117 it’s not my fantasy. I’m like every other gay here- I want him to be bi or gay. But let’s face, by all accounts he was rather boring and straight laced… I doubt there will be much that wIll surprise any of us.

They lived in Connecticut, and were by many accounts, very friendly, down to earth and approachable in public. Jane Curtin lived nearby and was very good friends with them. His camp put on plays each year, and he would often bring in stars like Julia Roberts to help out.

They were inducted in the Kennedy Center Honors together. One of the best tributes they've ever done.

He aged so well in spite of the years of heavy boozing. He was also a smoker until he was almost 60, then finally quit, only to die of lung cancer at 83.

R117, if a guy came forward and said "I had sex with Paul Newman" you'd just call him a liar and a wishful thinker

I have been on the DL since the Clinton impeachment and have always heard on the DL that Paul was bi. With no proof. It's a DL urban legend.

R118, my question was not directed to YOU personally.

I don't get the defensiveness, I was only asking. Relax, R121.

I honestly can't think of why Paul Newman and James Dean would want Eartha Kitt in bed with them except maybe to sing "C'est Si Bon" to them as they fucked.

I think Newman and Woodward were actually honest with their children about their “understanding/agreement.” They were, by all accounts, very progressive. So if he disclosed his bisexuality in the book none of his surviving children would have been unaware of it.

124 Maybe they wanted to see how she bust it open.

R124 ^^

Paul, Joanne, Eartha, and others pictured in 2007.

[quote] Far better for two people who no longer love one another to stay together for the sake of the children

I'm sure that makes the first Mrs. Newman feel better that the cheating wasn't premeditated

A lot longer than that. He died in the '90s with instructions that his material not be made public for 100 years!

Sorry, R130 is in reply to R114.

I don't think any homosexual activity will be discussed. At least not while his wife is alive, regardless of her mental state. Newman started in the 1980s and was not going to insult his wife by writing about these young men.

Like I wrote earlier I don’t think he’ll name names. And I don’t think he’ll describe them as “young” or any other way. He’ll just disclose that he was bisexual and worked out an arrangement with his wife that he could indulge that part of his sexuality as long as he was discreet and always came back to her and their family in CT.

R20 It’s not just DL that thinks Newman wasn’t straight.

He was so beautiful in "Cat on a Hot Tin Roof" that it almost hurt to look at him. Elizabeth Taylor too. In fact, that's really the only film in which I've found her beautiful. Yes, I realize I'm the odd man out.

He had one long relationship with a woman that it almost wrecked his marriage. And do I think that he dipped his toe (among other things) into the gay pool? Of course! Hooray for Hollywood.

[quote] She was a huge star back in the 1970s but is mostly forgotten today, kind of like Julie Christie.

Joanne Woodward was never a huge star. They tried to make her a star at Fox in the late 50's and early 60's but she was too plain and boring to succeed.

[quote]I’m like every other gay here- I want him to be bi or gay.

How bizarre. Why would I want him to be other than what he was?

I worked with Joanne Woodward a few times in the 1980s. She was always sweet and professional and generous with her time. And very modest - she did not want to be treated as a star. Gorgeous skin and green eyes.

Have you ever seen Joanne in one of her early films like The Long, Hot Summer or No Down Payment, or her Oscar-winning The 3 Faces of Eve, r137? She was anything but boring. I think she fought stardom because she knew she couldn't compare to Paul in popularity and was uncomfortable selling herself as a glamour girl. And she lost interest in her career as she devoted herself to her family and raising her kids in Connecticut....not in Hollywood.

Sadly, I believe it's true that she's suffered from dementia for almost 10 years now.

r21 is representative of tabloid thinking AND not quite understanding drug addiction. The tabloid thinking is linking the few publicly known events in a person's life to their downfall. And drug addiction can occur for different and sometimes overlapping reasons. There's no evidence these are connected to his parents divorce.

r125 Where are you getting that from? Are you suggesting because they are politically progressive they explained that they had an open marriage to their kids? Or do you actually know something specific?

I always got such a strong brother – sister vibe from Paul and Joanne.

Paul Newman's bisexuality has been discussed for decades; it's not exactly a secret.

r143 Discussion is not fact. Was he bi and actively banging dudes? Possibly. Probably. Doesn't mean he sat the wife and kids down to discuss it. Meanwhile Im aware of a few straight actors who have been rumored online to be gay for 2 decades now and as far as I know they only have sex with women. Massive jump in logic to assume he discussed this stuff with his wife or kids and even more to think he included it in his memoir.

if he did, it would be pretty amazing. But actors never want to discuss who they banged in books and those who do usually do it for money. They want to talk about their projects and sometimes co-stars/directors.

[quote]Meanwhile Im aware of a few straight actors who have been rumored online to be gay for 2 decades now and as far as I know they only have sex with women.

Who? Tell us specific actors and we'll accept or debunk your statement one by one. Otherwise using vague blanket generalities don't serve us any.

This is all before my time. Even Tom Cruise's career beginnings were around the time I was born. But I've seen a lot of film and Paul Newman was a man. A very handsome, gorgeous Roman bust of a man. Average in other ways. Chicken legs - I heard that's what they called him at home. He was bony assed and had no body. But what a face. Those lips those eyes. That profile. A jawline. A FACE.

No way was Newman a gay. He was a serious method actor who always took it seriously. Sort of a male Marilyn Monroe. He didn't want to be known for being sexy, but he kept on playing up being sexy. Took a lot of paychecks for being Paul Newman. Never quite lived up to what he thought he was as an actor. Near the end, yes.

I bet Paul Newman did mess with some pretty and talented men in his life. Sex is mysterious and he was a very creative guy. But he was NOT a gay. He was sexual and sexy. He liked being an object of desire. NOT in a million years would 60 year old Paul Newman be interested in that pudgy buck tooth moron Tom Cruise. NEVER.

Paul Newman was a bottom. All straight men are.

Would someone please tell the nurse to come for r146? His computer isn't supposed to have internet access.

Paul Newman was bi? Filth! We're boycotting Newman's Own

R146 is only correct about Newman having had skinny legs and no butt. And that’s it.

R146 is very astute and insightful. Paul Newman may have been fucked a few times, but nothing about him seemed like a gay.

R142, all marriages - straight and gay - eventually look like that

[quote]I think she fought stardom because she knew she couldn't compare to Paul in popularity and was uncomfortable selling herself as a glamour girl.

Oh brother, no. Joanne Woodward was an Actor's Studio character actress, she wanted good diverse roles, not glamor. Her career decisions were not dictated by Paul or his stardom like a sitcom. Joanne did cheesecake (below) early in her career, as did everyone, but she her goal was to do interesting work, not to be a "star." Newman mentioned many times that Joanne liked playing the frump instead of the glamor girl because it was a better role.

Who's Paul Newman? What does bi mean? Look at the lights, pretty lights...'

Woodward's film debut in COUNT THREE AND PRAY was an embarrassment. Her acting was like Debbie Reynolds at her urchin worst.

"Ya wanted to be rid of me - well now yore rid!" "I got five brothers an' ever' one of 'em is mean bad!"

I think she's even worse than Newman in THE SILVER CHALICE.....

Joanie Woodward was a frump though. A very plain woman you couldn't really imagine as a leading lady. Except as a frump, neurotic or matronly character. She came of age at the right time. She was kind of the Bea Arthur of movies. She became very good within her small skillset as she got older. Like many non beauties, Woodward was also more attractive as she aged. Joanne also had a terrible monotonous voice, lacking in color or inflection. Extremely bland film actress.

^ Ha ha ha ha!

Thank you for proving my points, R156. Woodward was no beauty. Very plain woman. Lipstick and a blonde wig on a pig?

"...he was not a gay...."

A gay? People say stuff like this on a gay board?

Joanne Woodward put her career on the back burner and mostly worked with Paul Newman on HIS movies

She only did films, outside of Paul Newman universe, only if they really interested her. But the role would have to be spectacular to get her away from Connecticut. Other than that, she was perfectly content to live in Paul Newman's shadow.

knowing that Joanne was very picky about her acting projects, why would she do a cheap soap opera in the movie "Passions"?

r152, you quote me, then say "NO" and then appear to agree with everything I said but in a nasty tone.

Joanne Woodward made too many movies with her famous hubby Paul Newman and most of them were not very good. She was simply coasting along on his coattails.

Why did R156 post a photo of Agnes Moorehead?

R162, she won an Oscar before he did

Newman struck me as someone who probably engaged in homo casting couch action earlier in his career.

But, he also struck me as the type who was very pragmatic about it and just chalked it up to a price he had to pay without getting all bent out of shape about it or traumatized. Not in a mercenary,JLaw way. Rather, more like that's just what hot young actors had to do to get roles back in those days and he accepted it as long as he had to accept it.

Also, while he probably wouldn't seek man-on-man action out, he also probably wasn't particularly bothered by it and viewed it as a chore more than for fun, but would make the best of the situation and try to have fun.

Yes, I should write fanfic...

^ Zzzzz

No, you shouldn't, R165.

R165, Jesus, you really seem to think you actually know someone you’ve never even met. Have you even ever met an actor? I lived with one for twenty years. Let’s just say more often than not their sexual identity can be quite fluid.

YEAH, R165. Don't you know where you are? At the DATALONGE!!!!!!!

I'm a supporter of gay rights. And not a closet supporter either. From the time I was a kid, I have never been able to understand attacks upon the gay community. There are so many qualities that make up a human being... by the time I get through with all the things that I really admire about people, what they do with their private parts is probably so low on the list that it is irrelevant.

Brando and Newman

Oh lord. He is one of the most handsome men in the history of the world. Wowza R169.

Newman was handsome but he was almost too perfect looking for my taste. Something is missing for me.

Why do people think every male star of the 50s and 60s was gay?

Paul Newman cooking eggs for Anthony Perkins

When Paul Newman was starting up his film career, he was summoned to the home of Hollywood gossip columnist Hedda Hopper, who dished in fan magazines for readers in small town America about the doings of the stars.

Slyly leading up to the deal she wanted to make, Hopper laughingly told the young Newman about how Errol Flynn, angered about an item she put in a column about him, appeared on her doorstep. When she answered the door, he was facing her... masturbating.

"I began laughing," Hopper is quoted as saying to Newman, "and continued laughing until he finished with a dramatic flourish all over my doorstep. I'll say one thing for Errol. He's the only man I know who can ejaculate in front of a fully dressed woman who's laughing derisively during the entire process."

Yes, readers, to paraphrase Margo Channing: Fasten your seat belts reading the celeb bio Paul Newman/The Man Behind the Baby Blues is a bumpy ride, especially if you favor decorum. It's an account that guarantees you'll shake your head saying what!??!! on nearly every page.

Writer Darwin Porter relates in this tell-all biography that over drinks Hopper regaled Newman with a lot of stories that gave evidence that she was far more knowing of the clandestine going-ons in Hollywood than her "provincial" public image might suggest.

The point she was making was that she was on to Newman's bisexual life that entailed hot and heavy romances with James Dean, Sal Mineo, Howard Hughes, Montgomery Clift, Marlon Brando, Tony Perkins, George Grizzard and the list goes on. To keep such innuendos out of her column (which would have iced his film career), she wanted him to give her exclusives on his impeding marriage to Joanne Woodward and other tidbits that would scoop her rival gossip columnist Louella Parsons.

Porter's Paul Newman/The Man Behind The Baby Blues is, as the words in a police-barricade-yellow banner across the cover proclaim, an exposé. The tone of the writing is far from scholarly and the anecdotes so titillating that the reader may be justified in assessing Porter as a shrewd a gossip as Hopper. That he waited until after Newman's death to publish it only suggests a solid knowledge of libel and defamation laws.

Still, the fluidity of Newman's sexuality in the early years of his acting career does at least suggest a prism (or peephole) for Queer Studies academics whose subject matter is unacknowledged gay artists of the past. Does this sexually chameleon behavior inform creativity? What is the role of a gay sensibility in an actor's developing his chops? Leave those questions to the scholars. The rest of us can only surmise how any of these actors had any time to work.

To my mind Porter's purpose is to give the low-down on the down-low of Hollywood film and Broadway stage actors. For that he gets a scarlet A-plus.

That is, if you believe what he has to say. His sources are very often name actors, directors, and Hollywood personalities (many of whom like Newman are now deceased). While some may seem suspect, confidants such as Janice Rule give the book's tattling validity.

Rule met Newman early on when she was playing the heroine Madge in the stage production of Picnic and stayed in touch with him over the years. (Joanne Woodward, who got to know Newman intimately at this time, was her understudy.) When Rule invited Newman to her dressing room after a performance the actor was surprised not to find Rule lusting after his body. Instead she wanted him to tell her what happened when he went to Joan Crawford's apartment at the cinema star's invitation. (It is hilarious with Crawford behaving like a cougar.) Rule loved gossip. In later years, she left acting to become a successful psychotherapist in Manhattan, but she kept her ear to the ground nonetheless.

Other seeming reliable sources include Eartha Kitt, who summed up her bedroom romp with the twosome of Newman and Jimmy Dean, saying "white boys are so delicious." Kitt, by the way, told Porter that the authors of the Broadway musical Hair stole that line from her for their show.

A decided plus to the bio is the copious photographs that appear on the very page where they have the most relevance. The quotes beneath the picture can be quite witty, as with Crawford's, whose quip reads, "We Texas gals eat beef cake."

According to Porter, he's been collecting hearsay stories on Newman since being introduced to the actor by Tennessee Williams in 1959. At that time Porter was the 21-year-old bureau chief for the Miami Herald in Key West. Porter seemingly has access to numerous luminaries who confide in him from Geraldine Page who co-starred with Newman in Sweet Bird of Youth to playwright William Inge who wrote Picnic, which launched Newman's acting career in a big way.

He has a writing style, however, that makes his reported private conversations suspect. Porter often quotes what was said in intimate situations that have to be pure conjecture. The give-away is that he's putting the same words into people's mouths no matter who is talking, for examples terms like "plowed" and "sloppy seconds."

Paul Newman/The Man Behind the Baby Blues is published by Blue Moon Productions, Ltd, based in New York City, and staffed by writers who otherwise produce the various Frommer Guides, the well-regarded travel publications. Porter has previously done bios on Katharine Hepburn, Steve McQueen, Michael Jackson, Humphrey Bogart, Merv Griffin, and Marlon Brando. Aside from Jackson, the subjects were room temperature when Porter's bios were published.

The prolific Gore Vidal also recently authored a memoir in words and photos, which includes more than a few mentions of the Newmans with some lovely pictures of the couple. In the 50s, Vidal, his long-term lover and the Newmans lived together in Shirley McClaine's beach house in Malibu and stayed close friends through the ensuing years. Towards the end of the book Vidal tells a story of how Newman decided to discontinue his chemotherapy for cancer. "And he died on his own terms...," Vidal writes honoring his friend's staunch individualism.

Porter also acknowledges Newman's individualism, but salaciously, with little or no respect for his subject.

In any event, Newman's marriage to Woodward survived and appeared to thrive right up until his death. Once after being asked about the state of his marriage, and the temptations that came with being a celebrity superstar, Newman jokingly replied “Why go out for hamburger when you can have steak at home?”

Despite the actor's awkward attempt to pay a compliment to his wife, Woodward, it seems, wasn't too pleased at being compared to a "piece of meat."

Over the years, there were some whispers and rumors suggesting Newman was bi-sexual, but most observers dismiss them as mere gossip designed to sell books. However, the possibility the actor had fleeting affairs with actresses like Natalie Wood, Vivien Leigh, Grace Kelly, and Marilyn Monroe is given more credibility, although any serious proof of such liaisons never surfaced.

"—Rock, Monty, Tab, James, Sal, Brando, and Lassie"

Lassie?

Lassie was trans

@r174, I'd pay to see those two get it on at that age

It looks like they were good friends.

I find it hard to believe Newman never had any affairs. Not even with other actresses?

R181 Meant to post this photo of Newman and Sophia Loren.

R182

Loren found Paul Newman a nice person, “but shy and very much in love with his wife Joanne Woodward who was very pregnant and always on the set” when the two made Peter Ustinov’s 1966 comedy “Lady L.” “I was always amazed that each time I looked at him, I would say to myself ‘My God, I’m working with Paul Newman,”’ Loren noted. “’God, look at his eyes, look at his mouth. He is so handsome.’ I don’t know when he was looking at me what he thought, but anyway, I was absolutely amazed.”

[quote] Slyly leading up to the deal she wanted to make, Hopper laughingly told the young Newman about how Errol Flynn, angered about an item she put in a column about him, appeared on her doorstep. When she answered the door, he was facing her... masturbating.

"I began laughing," Hopper is quoted as saying to Newman, "and continued laughing until he finished with a dramatic flourish all over my doorstep. I'll say one thing for Errol. He's the only man I know who can ejaculate in front of a fully dressed woman who's laughing derisively during the entire process."

Might have known it was from Darwin porter. He writes like the dataloungers writing about their sex fantasies. Always unconvincing and using phrases that normal people just don’t use outside of literature or scripts!

Where does porter get insights from all these dead colleagues anyway- a medium!?

Actually, R174, it's both Paul and Joanne who are cooking for Perkins.

For sure I think Newman had no issue with being a friend to gay men. It would be stupid in Hollywood to be otherwise particularly as he was also a stage actor too - having done picnic. I’m not convinced he would have to do the casting couch, I simply believe he had to be nice and friendly and that’s all that’s required. It probably helped that he was seen to be friendly with such gays as gore Vidal and Anthony Perkins to further establish him as an ally rather than a threat.

I knew that story was bullshit, because not even perv Errol Flynn could get it up for Hedda Hopper

If he had any same sex affairs I’m sure it was with dl gays who were not going to brag about it and he was obviously more careful than guys like rock Hudson and Sal mineo.

Darwin Porter is known as being full of shit

I always wondered about Hedda Hoppers motivation. Why was she so nasty? Then i realised she was a failed actress, so her bitterness led her to ruin the lives of those she envied.

It's strange that people still know who Hedda Hopper was. Hearst invented her - a failed actress - as a rival to Louella Parsons who seems to be forgotten these days but was the most influential gossip columnist in Hollywood.

I had a hot 3-way with JFK Jr and Paul Newman in the lilac grove designed by Bunny Mellon at Red Gate Farm.

^ You too?

R175 and all your posts, you write like we're a bunch of teenagers who need you to teach and explain. The fact that you BELIEVE that asshole Darwin Porter is enough to dismiss your posts.

[quote]Loren found Paul Newman a nice person, but shy...

Sophia Loren likes to stretch the truth. Once, only once, she came clean about her "romance" with Cary Grant in the 1950s- she said nothing happened. But people love the story so much, and interviewers ask about it constantly, that she went back to the old version.

R194 I never said I believed Porter genius, I was just sharing a review of his book about Newman.

Newman was better than Dean. For one thing he had a natural likability (Butch Cassidy, Cool Hand Luke, etc) that Dean could only simulate. As for Dean's death he may not have been speeding at all. He was in a low slung car doing over a hill. He couldn't see what was next and no one could see him.

R196 Newman wasn’t natural at all in Somebody Up There Likes Me, a film Dean was supposed to star in before he died. Dean would’ve been more convincing in the role.

Paul Newman was mature and confident. Cool and collected. Dean was adolescent and projected vulnerability and anxiety.

They were extremely different, both in their personas and as actors. Dean was dangerous. Newman wasn’t.

R198 R199 Dean is both dangerous and confident in this television episode.

R145 I've done it before on here. I've been to their houses, seen their interactions with girlfriends in private settings or in their homes, known their assistants who would sit and complain endlessly about their bosses and tell all sorts of shit about them that had nothing to do with sexuality. In several of these cases, I am aware conventional wisdom is that they're gay. Whenever I've suggested they aren't gay as far as anyone in their inner circle knows, you get tons of indignant pushback here from Datalounge archivists who can remember every single rumor or piece of evidence they've memorized. Then you get called a PR representative. Not worth it to argue or try to convince those people.

R201, and yet you won't say who these actors are....

This memoir is going to be boring as hell. I remember when Newman used to do interviews for his movies and he was a terrible interview. He didn't want to talk about anything, he didn't want to be there. He never wanted to talk about his personal life. I don't think there's going to be a single thing in this book that you couldn't find in an IMDB biography.

R48 actually Woodward worked the most in the 60s/70s Rachel, Rachel, They Might Be Giants, Winning, Summer Wishes, Winter Dreams, The Stripper, Paris Blues, A New Kind of Love, A Big Hand for a Little Lady, The Effects of Gamma Rays . . .between 1968 and 1990 she received 3 Oscar nominations,, won the NY Film Critics Award for Best Actress 3 times and was nominated for numerous Golden Globes for her film and television work. After winning the Oscar in 1958 her career really took off.

R191 actually it was Louella Parsons who was on the Hearst payroll.....Hopper came later with a small syndicated column that proved to be the real thing and was soon being published in hundreds of non-Hearst papers.

[quote] Not his same-sex dalliances, not his threesome with Eartha Kitt and James Dean not his hookup with Tom Cruise.

Who did you hear that from, Darwin Porter? Scotty Bowers? You sound like you'll believe anything, from anybody.

Will he finally share his secret recipe for Italian dressing?

R199 Part of why Dean was more dangerous was because he was younger and felt he had something to prove. It's hard to tell where his career would have went. In comparison, Newman was older when he got famous, so more grounded and secure in himself. I think they both worked well in the material they got.

"...where his career would have went"?

Oh, dear!

Neither Newman nor Dean were/would have been good casting as the pugilistic Italian-American boxer Rocky Graziano.

Young Dean Martin might have actually been interesting in the role.

[quote]obviously Joanne Woodward will not live much longer. But there is no reliable evidence that she has Alzheimers or has been suffering from it for a long time.

I did hear some guy who went to Sarah Lawrence with her (she went when she was in her 60 or so.)

She was like a mentor to him. He was on Marc Maron's podcast and said she has alzheimers. I don't remember who he was.

She may have lucid moments though. Allison Janney thanked her when she won the Oscar. Woodward directed or taught Janney when she was in college and mentored her too.

Joanne did a bit of summer theater at Kenyon College, which I think was Paul's alma mater, as well as Allison Janney's.

[quote]I don't remember who he was.

That's certainly reliable

I forgot my password.

Apparently it will be published this coming fall. I hope it's not edited like some posthumous memoirs and diaries. Nijinsky's diary was infamously edited by his widow to remove references to homosexuality.

R176, Porter the Key West Bureau Chief for the Miami Herald at 21?? What horse shit. He really does write fiction.

I can't wait. I love that his charity driven salad dressings use his dorky pencil drawing visage and not every smoldering picture ever taken of him

I still can't believe Steve No-Talent McQueen got top billing over Newman when the credits rolled at the end of The Towering Inferno.

Joanne was in a good TV movie called Do You Remember Love? (1985), about a middle-aged woman suffering from early dementia.

I wonder why it took so long to publish.

Seems strange they'd wait this long.

His estate must have a day in this being able to be published when it is. That said, his coffee isn’t up to the same quality these days as it used to be, and that he was always! Hrummphh.

^ “…must have a say in…”. Apologies for typo.

R218, did you know that sometimes on actor gets first billed in the titles and second billed in the credits? On old movie ads, one actor may get first top billing and second actor gets second but HIGHER billing. These things are not accidents, agents argue for their clients in lengthy negotiations. My favorite: In the ad, Robert Redford gets first billing in All the President's Men, yet in the actual film, Dustin Hoffman's name comes first in the titles. Hoffman's image is also first in the ad...as I said, these things are not accidents.

R201, are you male or female?…

I wonder if it'll cover the time Steve McQueen took Newman to bed and plowed him like the North 40?

My god, what a beautiful man.

Supposedly the late James Garner had a similar arrangement with his wife. I don’t know what to think of that…

[quote] In any event, Newman's marriage to Woodward survived and appeared to thrive right up until his death.

Cold comfort to the First Mrs. Newman and Scott Newman who turned to drugs after Joanne broke up the marriage

Even though the Errol Flynn story is fake "finished with a dramatic flourish" is now in my lexicon.

R228, Scott Newman was a screw-up long before he ODed. Always a problem, always a jerk. His parents' marriage cannot be blamed for his shortcomings.

Can you imagine being the son of Paul Newman? Having to live up to that? I guess Scott Newman couldn't handle it. Some sons of incredibly revered, worshipped men can't deal with it; so much is expected of them. The sons of Clark Gable and Joe Dimaggio were the same way. I think they both turned out to be real losers.

Newwwwwwman!

Scott Eastwood is absolutely nothing compared to his crazy dad who was a real star and the other face of cowboys besides John Wayne.

Are my seams "straight?". Hahaha

"Newman's Own Life© "

Newman was represented by a character in one of Jackie Collins' novels. I forget which novel, but I knew it was Newman as I read along. Yes, the character fucked men while being heterosexually married.

Newman had major gayface. I think he was a bisexual just like his inspirations, Brando and Dean. Many bisexual men marry women especially back then. Doesn't mean they can't enjoy dick on the side especially in liberal upper class marriages.

[quote] Newman had major gayface.

How do you figure that? Are you saying he looked gay because he was so good looking? That's really dumb.

Will he come out in trans in it?

Gayface exists and is backed by science. We already know he fucked guys.

[quote] Scott Newman was a screw-up long before he ODed

Scott Newman only started using after Joanne Woodward started sleeping with Mrs. Newman's husband

that is a FACT

R238

Nope, you are putting words in my mouth. He had big eyes, a large forehead, a long nose, pouty lips and a narrow jaw. It has nothing to do with him being good-looking which was. DL associates gay face with being ugly when it's actually considered more aesthetically pleasing than an overly masculine face hence why most male actors and models have it.

[quote] Gayface exists and is backed by science. We already know he fucked guys.

What "science" backs up "gayface?" And you, nor anyone else on Datalounge, knows who he fucked. You're not right in the head.

[quote] He had big eyes, a large forehead, a long nose, pouty lips and a narrow jaw.

So having "big eyes, a large forehead, a long nose, pouty lips and a narrow jaw" makes you gay? That's beyond stupid.

^^ STFU already frau cunt.

Newman and Woodward had an apt midtown East Side of Manhattan in the early and mid 70s. When I started running around in the gay scene around ‘74, a number of guys told me Newman had an arrangement with Woodward. Some I learned about over the years in the first person (e.g. Travolta, Timothy Dalton) or a friend had an affair (Richard Gere for example). I never knew any more about him than rumor, but it was pretty universal.

The retard at R245 is triggered!

R44 Correlation is not causation. If you read the link, you'd see that the study said homosexual men tend to have those facial features on average. Of course, there are straight men with that facial type but it's overrepresented among gay men. Statistics and studies never say "this makes you this", they say "these factors are more prevalent..." The point is the stereotype of the gay face has some basis in reality.

Sorry R44 meant this for R244

Yes, R241, when he was EIGHT YEARS OLD?

R246 is a post by "charlie," which means take it with 1,000 pounds of SALT.

[quote] his guilt over his son’s suicide.

Scott Newman didn’t commit suicide, he ODd.

The sexy redneck beauty of Paul Newman in 'Hud' set my 10 year old loins on fire back in the day.

They lived on 96th and 5th, and were regulars at Sarabeths. He was tiny.

R251, everything I said is either quite true (Travolta a Dalton) or speculation as I saw it in the 70s. Oh and true about Richard Truetoo. One of my best friends to this day dated Gere when he worked for the Wilhelmina agency.. You’re and idiot R251- idiot.

[quote] when he was EIGHT YEARS OLD?

Being abandoned as an eight year-old he turned to drugs when he was a teenager

and Joanne Woodward has herself to blame for being a homewrecker

Wonder how she sleeps at night, knowing she is responsible for Scott's overdosing

Considering Woodward is in the throes of dementia, it's doubtful she remembers Scott since she doesn't even know she was married to Newman.

He lives with Gore Vidal and his husband, he played gay men in the homophobic mid century and never had a homophobic /closeted bone in his body. If he did have gay sex, it wasn’t like it was closeted. He was clearly very comfortable with gayness - if he chose to indulge in it, my sense is he was completely,bi. Definitely not a closet case - so there would be nothing salacious about revelations he had gay sex.

[quote] my sense is he was completely,bi.

Who did he have gay sex with? As far as I know, no gay lovers have ever come forward to say they had sex with him. I would think anybody having sex with Paul Newman would love to brag about it.

Paul Newman likely was a bisexual man who settled down into a heterosexual life once he got married. As for why people didn't come forward. Maybe Paul was just smart about who he slept with and wasn't indiscriminate? If it he had good fuck buddies rather than a parade of random hookups then that would explain things. A starfucker is the type to brag about sleeping with a handsome celebrity. A person from the same art background and with the same sophisticated nature as Newman far less so.

Or maybe (probably) he was simply a straight man in the movie business. There are a few, you know.

His Newman’s frozen pizzas are very good, and I normally hate most frozen foods.

I'm a bit worried about the bio - we shall see what happens.

[quote]You’re and idiot [R251]

Oh, dear!

[quote] Considering Woodward is in the throes of dementia, it's doubtful she remembers Scott since she doesn't even know she was married to Newman.

Which shows actions have consequences = karma