Connie Ford..."no day at the beach"

Shocker! Next thing you know, they'll be telling us that smoking causes cancer.

Jackee meant "slaplines" not "sightlines".

Get the fuck out of my light!

Get your tongue the fuck out of my cunt!

Susan Keith, get over here and service me.

Back off, Connie! I saw her first. Go sniff around Judith McConnell.

Connie Ford?

I prefer talking about CONNIE FRANCIS

A sight line is when some other actor is off camera, not quite ready to come into view, but they're standing in a way you can see them, and likely being distracting and/or in the way of something you might need to see. The idea is they should not be in an active actor's sightline until the right time or, if they are, blend in with whoever else really needs to be over there.

They used to call her Connie the cunt.

They were probably standing in the way of her cue cards. She and Hugh Marlowe were the biggest, and most obvious offenders, when it came to glancing off to the side at the cue cards.

Beverlee was nicer than Connie, but she would cut a bitch that got in her light or in her sightlines. Woe to the untrained model who tried it.

Bev hated Gail Brown because she always tried to steal scenes from her. Bev finally gave up and let Gail have her way.

Poor Bev was always overworked. The poor dear. Only getting 12 weeks off a year and never working a 5 day work week. How brutal the biz is. My heart bleeds.

Carole Shelley was the consummate Iris. Bev who?

Sometimes you're having a shit day, and DL makes you feel at home.

Bless it.

I heard that Mr. Paul Rauch seeked out Connie’s grave and left a huge shit on it. He really really really hated her.

Bev was so lazy. Never wanted to work or earn her keep in any cast. Everyone was glad when she left each of her shows.

I’ve never heard the term “sightline” on all the sets I’ve worked on over the years. It’s always been “eyeline.”

According to various interviews about Connie on AW, she liked to test and tease the newbies. She would give them shit. if they gave her shit back, they had her respect and friendship. According to legend, she even did that to VW when Connie told her that VW wasn't playing a scene the way Robin would have played it. VW gave it right back to her and they became lifelong friends afterwards.

Did Connie like Ann Wedgeworth? Ann seemed flighty and very theater diva-ish, and I couldn't see Connie putting up with that at all. Maybe I'm imagining this, but didn't Connie have some run-in with Jennifer Leak, who played Olive, because of her diva behavior?

Connie was a miserable old dyke.

Connie as a brunette

That photo at r22 looks to be from fall 1972.

I love Jackee.

There are black people on soaps now? REALLY? I'm totally shocked. I haven't watched since the late 80's as a young gayling and figured blacks would have their own soaps, like they have their own channel.

Were Lily and Felicia scissoring?

Who had the bigger cock-Connie Ford or Paul Rauch?

Agnes tried to lure Connie to AMC to replace the original actress playing Kate Martin who wasn't working out.

In R22's photo, who is the guy in the back row, far right?

He's the primo piece of ass in that picture.

That's Stephen Bolster who played Rachel's second husband, Ted Clark.

Re-reading Lemay's book and never noticed before.....I guess Margie Impert's casting was a parting shot by producer Lyle Hill, who was clashing with Lemay and was on his way out of AW, as he was headed to produce the spinoff, Somerset.

Pretty much the first thing Rauch did at AW was fire Impert and get Strasser back short term.

That's not the fucking way Robbie would've done it! Fuck this shit!

When I was a teenager I actually did a short film with Bolster, we both got put up in a hotel in Connecticut for the week. This was probably a few years after he left AW in the mid 1970s. I had the hots for him even though he was something of a self-absorbed dumbbell. He was married and almost certainly straight but I wouldn’t have put it past him to have allowed TPTB to give him blow jobs. I don’t know if he ever noticed my sexual desire for him. If he did he wasn’t so dumb as to actually address it.

If everyone hated her, how did she stay on contract? She wasn't that integral to the show.

Harding Lemay loved her.

It sounds like she was standoffish and prickly at first to people, then she’d soften if you “proved” yourself .

She had a high Q rating. High, but not the highest! She also received a lot of teen fail mail. A lot, not a ton that would qualify her for all-time record of most teen fan mail in a given year.

I saw her in an episode of the old TV series "The Naked City" with Paul Burke. She played a total bitch to perfection and at the end you understood why she turned out as she had. Excellent performance by her.

She was such an OTT theater actress. Forget the back row. She played to the ticket taker outside. Horrible horrible actress.

They should"ve hooked up Ada and Aunt Lez Muffchews.

Jackeé also plays to the ticket taker outside....and the people on the M8 bus driving by...

Oh we can be sure that Ada and Aunt Lez bumped pussies in secret.

Which one of you listed Victoria Wyndham under Children on the Google search page for Connie?

Can somebody tell that curmudgeon vetsoapfan to stop posting his garbage about frumpy Ellen Stewart in the Y&R threads at SON?!? Nobody cares. Go watch Youtube clips of TGL and Fat Ed Bauer for the zillionth time.

So VW’s real name is Felice Camargo? Her son Christian was born out of wedlock so that’s why he has her maiden name?

R43 SON is a mess! There’s newbies trying to post but the old bullies drown them out because they weren’t born 50 years ago when it was TGL. They don’t welcome Gen X’s over there. And heaven help ya if you think Chandler Massey smirks instead of acts. Blasphemy not to love Smirky Chandler.

IMDB says Felice is Lady EAB's sister.

You know Mahhhhh-rey,

I think she may be a dyyyyykke..

r45 soapsuds is a CREEP about Smirky! Gross!

Vicky EAB HATED Bev McKinsey’s complaining. She never wanted to work and got 12 weeks of vacation per year! She was one of the highest paid stars in soaps!

Vee, who is in the biz, forced Vicky Wyndham to use a British accent during AW’s final years.

[quote] She and Hugh Marlowe were the biggest, and most obvious offenders, when it came to glancing off to the side at the cue cards.

Hello? I invented that.

When it comes to soaps, I don't begrudge the actors using cue cards. In terms of learning lines, they have the hardest fucking job in entertainment, especially if they are a big name major character.

I used to work on a daytime set. I had an actor berate me for walking in his sightline, so I asked him what that was as clearly I made a mistake. He told me to imagine a laser coming out of his eyes, that is his sightline. I said you mean to tell me three cameras, pas, and cue card people spread around the set in a c formation and me getting up from BEHIND them and walking out breaks your sightline? He got so mad he asked I be off the set while he was shooting. I told him no problem. I was the show's PR rep and we were there to take pictures but Happy to skip him.

Cue cards and later teleprompters were invaluable for soap actors and really a necessity because of the amount of dialog to be performed on a 5 days a week basis and until the 1970s, many of the soaps were still being done live on air.

A weekly show gives actors about 3 days to work on their lines as well as rehearsals. The production pace of soap operas allowed for 24 hours of memorizing the dialog with one rehearsal and then the performance whether live to broadcast or live to tape. Movie actors and nighttime television actors would find the daytime restrictions impossible to work with.

One of the nursing home patients who posts at SON argued that 1950-51 is Guiding Light’s best era. Omg. I can’t breathe. It wasn’t even on TV yet.

Daytime PR vet -- more stories please. And we need names...

[quote] One of the nursing home patients who posts at SON argued that 1950-51 is Guiding Light’s best era. Omg. I can’t breathe. It wasn’t even on TV yet.

Not on TV, but it was on radio since 1937. 1950-51 might have been the time when Meta killed her asshole husband Ted who was responsible for their son Chuckie's death.

Which family was fatter? The Bauers or the Lewises? Billy looked like he never met a bucket of chicken he didn't like, and Josh was an endomorph. And Reva was the size of a hot air balloon by the time the show went off the air. The Spauldings were trim and slim, except for fat Hope who was technically a fat Bauer.

Fat Bert and Fat HB would have made magic between the sheets! They should have brought Fat Ed back for Fat Reva at the end. Vetsoapfool at SON would have had a stroke!

Fat Billy and Fat Hillary would've worked. Instead, they were paired with fit actors who only made them look fatter.

Ellen Wheeler said that the original thought for THE GL’s last episode was for Reva snd Josh to float away in a hot air balloon ala Nola & Quint’s wedding but they soon realized that fat Reva would not float in anything. Vetsoapfan is still bitter about putting fat Reva in a truck with Josh.

Nancy Hughes was trim, but a diet consisting solely of vinegar will keep one slim.

R53, sounds like he's a real asshole. You dodge a bullet.

What network and coast were you on?

Victoria Wyndham changed her name because her father told her that it would be hard to get work as a Mexican American. Her son took Camargo because he's proud of his roots. Felice is Victoria's sister.

Why wasn't Victoria Wyndham promoted the way Lucci, Hall, and Zimmer were? Even Slezak got more attention.

P&G was reluctant to promote the individual actors on its shows. Wanted the audience to think of the character, not the actor. Didn't even want the audience to know the actors names.

That hearkens back to the Irna Phillips days when she would refer to the actors to their faces by their character names.

It wasn't until the late 70s that P&G began to really promote the individual actors. But even then ABC had much better promotion for its stars.

I doubt Susan Lucci would have become the name star that she did if she had been on a P&G soap.

Kim Zimmer was very good at self promotion. She knew how to get a lot of mileage out of Reva's popularity.

Same with Deidre Hall.

I can see that with the P&G stars, especially since the shows were New York-based. Many of them concentrated on theater opportunities, treating daytime like a steady paycheck vs. their real passion. They weren't all over the soap mags when I was a kid. Growing up, it was all about DAYS, GH and Y&R. AMC got covers for special events mostly.

The P&G seemed to be more "actory" shows, while the Bell shows, Days, and the ABC shows had stars. However, AMC and OLTL did have some really talented actors (ahem, not Lucci), but ABC seemed to promote the stars. The Bell show actors were mostly godawful IMO.

I grew up watching soaps so when they started being canceled, I really tried to pick up new ones. I just could never get into Y&R, B&B and GH. Heather Tom is the only actor on B&B, IMO (now that Flannery's gone). I watched DAYS as a kid in the 80s but when I tune in now, it seems sad to me. My favorites were One Life to Live, Guiding Light, and Another World (in that order) and I just never found any of the remaining shows capable of taking their place.

I'd rather watch Youtube eps of Edge of Night rather than waste time on the remaining shows.

[quote]The Bell show actors were mostly godawful IMO.

Back in the day, i.e., when there were P&G shows to compare the Bell shows to, I thought the Bell actors were only godawful because of the writing, which was beyond godawful. No one talked IRL the way the citizens of Genoa City talked.

Douglas Marland's "gossip as recap" was so much easier to listen to than each Bell character defining his or her connection at the beginning of each scene to each of his or her scene partners.

I would watch, and then give up on Y&R after a week or so. I'd go back a month later, and it was the same shit. It only got better when LML became HW, and thankfully, no one has gone back to Bill and Kay's daily abuse of the English language.

Everybody on Y&R was always in an “involvement” or on “holiday’ but then there was

Jill: You old bat, Phillip loved you

Katherine: You used your youth and your sexuality to lure him away

Jill: You did that with your smoking and your drinking and your bad breath and your stable boys

Katherine: You were nothing more than a distraction displaying your body around the pool like a wanton sl…

Jill: Phillip never knew love until I showed him what love was you wretched hag

I remember the days when my show was The Guiding Light. Then they dropped The. Worst mistake in soaps, ever!!!!

I would say that the ABC soaps benefited from being in house productions, in terms of publicity.

The B&W Perry Mason shows run 4:00-6:00PM and 8:00-10:00 PM weekdays on FETV (Family Entertainment TV), Have seen Connie in a few episodes, usually as a tough broad. No stretch.

Goutman's up next for the Locher Room Asslicking Session.

OMG, Miss Locher is going to fawn all over Goutman. I wonder Mrs. Goutman will be joining them, or she is away at "the facility" again.

Goutman has a lezzy daughter with McCabe. Viv told us that he would gave been Pissed if his son was gay too. But he’s not. Like father like son, eating pussy anywhere he can get it. But the hell with the lez daughter.

Did Chris eat out that little hussy, Colleen? My, she was such a little tramp, wasn't she?

Thriller

Connie always had the old lady hairdo.

Pussy. Yum yum in my tum tum!

Geri Court was not a lesbian. She used to be seen about town with the handsome David O' Brien, her Doctors co-star. The mags used to feature them all the time and even implied they were an item.

Yeah. Geri and David used to double date with Joel Crothers and Velekka Gray.

Thanks for the info, r84. They were all popular NY soap and theater actors in the 70s, so I can see the four of them hanging out and double dating. It must have been an exciting time to be a NY actor. I think Joel and Velekka were on and off during most of the 70s, but they more formally became a couple after he was diagnosed with cancer. Joel and Geri were on so many soaps, but curiously enough their paths never crossed on screen I don't think.

Linda Dano on Locher

[BOLD] Whatever the fuck THAT means. {/BOLD}

ah, fuck

I was never a big fan of Linda Dano. I thought she was overrated, and Felicia Gallant was over the top. I much more preferred Donna and Cecile.

I never watched AW, but I saw Felicia a few times, and she seemed like an ABC soap character plopped into a P&G show. I guess ABC agreed since after, AW was cancelled they signed Linda Dano and featured her on ALL their soaps.

Didn't ABC attempt to buy the rights to the Felicia Gallant character from P&G?

Were any of the Jamie's straight? Larry Lau is at least bi, right?

Lau and the one with curly hair ( who I thought was totally wrong for the part).

The best Jamie was Bekins.

The sexiest Jamie was Todd.

The most interesting Jamie was Lau because he was essentially replaying the Steve/Alice/Rachel triangle. There were scenes between Lau and Heche where you believed they were actually fucking in real life and Lau's Jamie had edges.

R93, great analysis on the Jamies.

Stephen Yates had played Marianne's bf on the show before so I couldn't get past that; Bekins was the best but Lau was quite good too.

[quote]Didn't ABC attempt to buy the rights to the Felicia Gallant character from P&G?

Yes, Dano being maneuvered to ABC came right from the top - Angela Shapiro, Head of Daytime. P&G would not part with Felicia for any amount. Rae Cummings was the second choice.

Her contract was $5m, over 5 years, and appearances on 5 shows - OLTL, AMC, PC, GH, and The View. And reportedly it left some other ABC actresses --- livid.

Of course, after the big buildup was over (on the second day of her return) it turns out to be a massive flop, and Dano films all her scenes looking as if she's stifling a yawn the whole time.

r56 it was Peter Brown. He was not well-liked on the set. Bad casting decision. He was well past daytime hunk status but they cast him anyway.

Peter Brown was dreadful on every show he was ever on. I think his last one was B&B.

And speaking of actors with the last name Brown.....

One wonders what GL might have been with Ben Warren played by Philip Brown, who was the one originally cast as Ben. Not sure why he was recast.

Brown is 5 years younger than Hunt Block (who is 68 years old).

Bell would cast his shows for a look. If the actor looked like what he though the character was in his head and they could line read, they were in. East coast shows had plenty of broadway talent to pull from. Most of them just wanted to be a working actor and soaps gave them that, a bit of notarity and all the men or women they could ever want to bang. Most daytimes had an anchor star or stars. Older actors who were semi famous in the talkies.

Daytime in NYC provided a valuable source of employment for Broadway actors and it continued until the end. One of my favorite new characters from the last decade of OLTL was Evangeline played by, now Broadway Legend, Renée Elise Goldsberry.

broadway legend Renee Elise Goldsberry??

legend is means different things to different people I guess

Bell also cast a lot of people he worked with in the past, especially Days, on his shows. Flannery, Susan Hayes, Peter Brown, the lady who played Trish Clayton, Robert LeClair...

The SON board might be the most miserable group of people ever assembled. Check out the ATWT thread. Nobody cares about your boycott of Queen Locher’s interview with Goutman. Go listen to your radio soaps. FFS.

Don't you DARE threaten me!

Why was a great film star like Constance Ford slumming on a daytime soap opera? It's interesting that two of her other adult co-stars in A Summer Place would also wind down their careers on soaps: Richard Egan on Capitol, and Dorothy McGuire on Y&R.

Hush up, Connie. I'm still Queen of the Daytime Dykes!

Think again, Sue!

R105, as actresses get older, there are less and less acting opportunities for them. I suspect Connie did daytime because she wanted to do what she loved and keep a roof over her head.

Ada was practically orgasmic at Liz's return. I wonder if Connie and Irene bumped pussies at some point while taping this episode.

R95, it does not surprise me that it was a massive flop. Dano was over rated.

[quote]Why was a great film star like Constance Ford slumming on a daytime soap opera?

Connie was more a supporting player, then she hit 35 and went to TV and then daytime TV. She also loved doing theatre, which is probably why she ended up in NYC and doing daytime to supplement her stage work. Connie gives me Eve Arden vibes in a lot of her work. Plus she was friends with Crawford.

Connie makes Eve Arden look like a novitiate nun.

R96, I worked for Peter Brown’s agents for a bit. Not a nice guy butI still fantasized about sex with him. He had a blonde bimbo for a wife. They visited the office together once and they were annoying as hell.

I remember Peter Brown as Roger Forbes #2 on Loving. I liked the first actor, John Shearin, and never understood why he was let go in favor of Brown.

nope

Rae Cummings' real first name was Gretel; Dano played the part way back in the day; late 70s early 80s, I believe in a triangle with Herb and Dorian.

I think there was another guy; not sure.

Rae was a bust but then the writing didn't help either; on one soap, she was looking for her daughter, on another, a diary or bible on another I forget.

Angela had an idea to cross Dano over to all the shows, but what the soaps have needed for decades aren't ideas but WRITERS.

They stupidly made Rae Myrtle's daughter and Skye's bio mother in order to tie her familially to all three soaps. Evidently, JFP and McTavish devised Rae's story arc to encompass all three shows, even though I believe McTavish was OLTL HW at the time. It was all just so awful.

It's kind of funny to think of how fearful the other networks were of Passions. Did they really think hiring Linda Dano (who is a great lady and I liked Felicia) was the secret to beating Passions? A very strange time in daytime which made no sense. Even the AW characters who went over to ATWT didn't really make a whole lot of sense, except in the case of Tom Eplin who is rumored to have had a pay or play deal.

The thing was, people *liked* Jake. I don't know what happened backstage, but Eplin and Lesli Kay seemed to have good chemistry, he worked well with Hubbard and the various other vets in his story, etc.

Most of the time that shit fails because the old characters don't match with the new but this case seemed to be working and suddenly, Jake is killed off and all that work was done for naught.

Linda Dano had a high Q rating and was very popular with viewers. She was also BFFs with JFP and Angela Shapiro.

.....

Peter Brown-Peter Brown?

I need to hear this

It can't be any better than this

Or this

ahem, that's Mary STEWART!

Don't no one come for my Mary Stuart.

Mary had Ann Williams fired.

Mary was as miserable as an SON poster, like Vee, who is in the biz.

R127 I love me some Mary!

She had a pleasant voice, if not an operatic one.

Phoebe

Mary Stuart tries to steal the spotlight from my beloved Mary Fickett, but Babs is having none of it.

.....

I heard you calling me...

The posters at SON want to be as miserable as Connie

The note on the clip above made me laugh.

Smell her! "Do not attempt to claim copyright for this video. I have countersued, and won the right to post all of these episodes."

Connie AND Kathleen Widdoes were in that anthology

R135 SON is the place for misery. And that perv Soapsuds is going on and on and on about Locher deleting his comments. ATWT has been off the air for over a decade. It’s dead. What does anyone expect of Goutman now? When ATWT was on the air, Goutman said he doesn’t read viewer comments. You think he’s gonna start caring now that the show has been off the air for years? Dumbasses. SON is the place for misery.

>>>>>>>>

[quote]Peter Brown-Peter Brown?

Peter Brown-Peter Brown.

Well, r140, this page is certainly DL worthy. From FOLLIES to caftans!

Did people who watched AW realize that Ada was a bulldyke, or did that not occur to anyone in the 70s and 80s? Multiple hetero marriages and two kids. Who did they think they were kidding?

OP, I'm disappointed. I thought you were going to share this juicy clip from the YouTube show "Hey Qween". Jack'ee dished about how it really went down....."GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY EYELINE!!!!!". LOL. [The clip starts with Jack'ee's hilarious memories of Alaina Reed-Hall (of Sesame Street & 227 fame which immediately segues into the Connie dish.]

That whole Jack'ee interview was fabulous. Its worth tracking down the whole thing. In addition to Connie Ford & Alaina Reed-Hall, she dropped some delicious bits about Milton Berle, Marla Gibbs, Rodney Dangerfield, Dolly Parton & several others.

I'd almost forgotten the musical masterpiece from Dennis Parker/Wade Nichols of the Edge of Night.

How would Helen Wagner have handled Connie screaming “GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY EYELINE” at her?

Helen would have knocked that bitch down and put a lit cigarette out in her eye.

Helen let a bitch know who was boss!

Helen tooksh my car keysh

........

I always liked Peter Brown as Greg Peters on Days. Was a sexy, reassuring presence.

Disappointing to know that Peter Brown was such a jerk. But also not surprising. Peter definitely gave off high maintenance vibes in his performances and in his interviews.

I thought Peter should have been cast as Alex Wheeler when they started Texas in 1980. He had just left Days at that point and I think he could have gone toe to toe with Bev McKinsey. I think he would actually have given her an acting partner worthy of her talent. (Bert Kramer, who was cast as Alex Wheeler, couldn't keep up with Bev).

Soap PR guy, did the incident you describe happen on Loving, OLTL or Y&R?

Who’sh hoshting the emmy party thish year?

Helen put that little tramp Colleen in her place, but I think Connie would've been too much for her.

R127 Holy shit, spic and span. Does that product still exist? The concept still does, sort of…

Do household products like Spic 'N Span still make commercials to air during daytime tv?

I imagine they could just keep running that old Calgon commercial, right? That thing easily ran for a decade! It has to be a record!

Going back to the albums by soap stars ... oh, how I wish somebody reviewed them.

John Wesley Shipp and Marsha Clark were a hot and heavy couple. The soap mags were all over them when they dated. I wonder if they triple dated with Geraldine Court and David O’Brien and Joel and Velekka. I wonder what lead to John and Marsha’s break up? They seemed like the perfect couple in the soap mags.

What? Peter Brown was uncut?

I would’ve put up with his smegma.

ew ew ew ew ew ew no

I’m not sure why we bailed on the other P&G thread which hasn’t been M’d.

r159 For some reason, few people were posting on the Douglass Watson thread, aside from the Psycho Troll.

Some one started this thread and more people started posting here. It's just as simple as this is where the activity landed. The Douglass Watson thread will still be there when Muriel visits this one.

When Muriel Visits

Hey, that’s a swell idea for a play? Let’s round up the kids and write it and put it on Broadway!

Snatch & twats!

Wrong thread

[quote]R19 Connie liked to test and tease the newbies. She would give them shit. if they gave her shit back, they had her respect and friendship.

Sounds like she needed a good psychiatrist.

Just say the lines, bitch.

Show us your gams, Connie!

I like the idea of a When Muriel Visits play.

She's a combination grim reaper, party pooper and nanny state who creates havoc, chaos and despair where ever she goes.

Lol Vee and the other creeps at SON hate new people, especially when they call SON a den of unhappy freaks. Dramatist Dreamed needs serious therapy and medication.

Vee is in bullying mode again.

and now we also have an anthony addobao thread

[quote] She's a combination grim reaper, party pooper and nanny state who creates havoc, chaos and despair where ever she goes.

She needs to visit our resident poop/DUI/overworked/Scoche/in the biz troll, and nuke it from the site forever

Vee , who’s in the biz, got told off today. lololololol

Did Connie eat out DL fave Geri Court when she was playing June Laverty? Lots of bis and lezzies on the AW set in the late '70s .

Which set had the most debauchery behind the scenes in the 70s and 80s-AW, ATWT or GL? I’m guessing there was more sex and drugs happening at Marland’s ATWT, with all of those twentysomethings he added to the cast.

AW was probably a minefield of egos and resentment as it reached its height in popularity in 77/78.

GL and AMC were THE party sets in the 80s.

I bet Curt Dawson had a lot of sex partners hopping from show to show. He was a hot daddy.

I wonder if there was a sling at GL?

R177, yes, Chris Bernau and Stephen Sondheim were buddies and Sondheim referred him to his sling designer.

Who at GL was partying? I am inferring that means coke. From all I’ve heard from the set, it was very tight. They didn’t seem like partiers even during the Kevin Bacon years.

In the mid 80s, lots of coke and partying on the GL set, at least among the younger crowd.

Kristie Farrell was one of the ones who couldn't handle all the coke. Supposedly, Vincent Irrizarry indulged quite a bit too.

And we all know Jordan Clark had a coke problem later in his life. It likely started in the 80s.

The Locher Room is hosting the Daytime Stars and Strikes thing that Liz Keifer and Jerry ver Dorn started years ago. Now an autism event.

This description, though:

[quote] The 17th Annual Daytime Stars and Strikes Virtual Charity event for Autism will be held on Sunday, October 10, 2021 from 2-6 (Eastern Standard Time) and hosted by Alan along with Guiding Light’s Liz Keifer, Jerry verDorn, and Michael O’Leary in conjunction in The Locher Room!we have an incredible line-up already signed up. Pull up a chair, turn on your techie devices and join our daytime actors, writers, producers and directors from both coasts. Enjoy as they reminisce [BOLD] about their first day on the set, [/BOLD] their best storyline, their toughest scene to get through and who inspired their journey into acting. Find out what new projects each are involved in and where you can see them next.

Someone tell Miss Locher we have EXHAUSTED the first day on set as a topic of discussion.

The only interesting first day story I’ve heard is Jackee’s. Anyone working with Helen Wagner or Connie on their first day will have a fun story. The rest, not so much

I wonder if the Linda Dano Locher Room is worth watching.

Hope her technical issues from the last time were resolved.

I watched about 20 minutes so far. She's charming, as usual. Most surprising revelation to me so far: she struggled with bulimia for much of her life and her weight ballooned to 180 lbs. at one point during Another World.

There was a period around 85-87 or so when Felicia was really over the top with hats, boxy suits, turbans and snoods, I wonder if that’s when she was doing that

[quote] her weight ballooned to 180 lbs. at one point

I blame Cecile.

Felicia was too fat back then to be porked by my boys.

Is DL on Primetime right now? Why is this thread so quiet?

I think the numbers of us willing to deal with our mentally ill troll are few.

And Muriel won't do anything.

If you just click on ignore for the trolls, it’s all good.

Looking at the stars during the 80s on GL I don’t see a coke frenzy. I can see Vincent maybe partaking a little but not a lot. I just can’t see many tolerating it. I know it was a fun set, but coke fueled? Did Kim have a few dozen lines before her famous fountain scene?

If you don’t look like act like you with me , I’m gonna take out my TITTIES.

R192, How about Jordan Clarke (Billy)? I know he was an alcoholic. Was he into coke too? Not as sexy to think about as maybe Grant or Vincent. I also wonder about Don Stewart. Old dudes used to party too.

Jordan Clarke was busted for crack possession, wasn’t he? I always thought Billy was sexy.

Vinnie I got lots of pussy and coke.

I tried to warn these young people about the dangers of coke and crack, but they would not listen. I was seen as old and not "with it", so I didn't have a leg to stand on with them.

They buried Bert’s half leg with Mo Bauer.

I still demand an explanation why Stefan Schnabel, with a thick German accent, played someone named Dr. Steve Jackson. He would have been too old to have been adopted by an American family as a German refugee during WW2.

So did we abandon this thread, too. P&Gers?

Were Papa Bauer and Steve Jackson nazis?

They sure sounded like they were.

Just block the trolls. I did so I never see their stupid shit. We keep opening new threads but how the hell can we find them when nobody links to them? Lol

Just read on Instagram that Michael Tylo has died at the age of 73.

He had a hot ass but he couldn’t live forever.

VetSoapFan the old curmudgeon keeps rambling on about fat Ed on The Guiding Light. Put him out of his misery.

Apparently it's official. Michael Tylo has died.

Tylo seemed in bad shape a year ago when he did the his Locher Room session.

The session is linked below. It was conducted in May 2020.

Was Tylo jerking off in that Locher Room video? Sure sounded like it.

Has Kimberlin Brown commented?

Lisa Brown gave a nice (but brief) quote on Tylo.

What about Daphne Zuniga?

Has Hunter commented? Or is she still talking about her other ex husbands and Brad Bell?

Is it possible for the SON creeps to be any more jealous of Queen Locher’s access to former daytime stars? Nobody would want to see them on camera!

The SON creeps are all old, bitter, unhappy morons.

Crabby vetsoapfan! Creepy Soapsuds! Nobody cares Vicki Coxton! Not slick joans! Toilet scrubbing Vee, who is in the biz!

Has dear Maeve commented yet? I believe he played her brother on that tacky little television series she trifled on.

I still think Meryl would have made a great Trish Lewis, making her Vanessa’s sister-in-law as well as Maeve’s sister-in-law.

Young and hopeful...

In the 80s, Ada was more masc than most of the male characters on Another World, except for Jake, maybe.

Is is true Connie told David Oliver to butch it up?

I rewatched "A Summer Place" recently. The movie goes downhill when Connie's character exits the story. She was so good in it.

^Hi Connie!

I bet that in her younger days, Connie had her snatch eaten out for days by young nubile tittied starlets.

Whose snatches did Ada used to eat out? Cheryl McKinnon? Maisie Watkins? Rose Perrini?

Somebody ask Vee, who is in the biz. He knows everything soaps, politics, SON management, etc.

R219, there comes a point when they just stop caring.

Connie turns her head away when Charlie goes to kiss her at Charlie and Ada's wedding.

Flannery played some heterosexuality in the first few years of B&B; maybe the first two...but then....it was ...not working.

R226 It was like Flannery just got a little more butch every year, especially that haircut the last few years she was on.

I've met butch lesbians who thought she was too manly, especially since she was playing a straight woman. I was working in this one place and it was on in the breakroom and this really butch lesbian, that I actually worked with for a month before I realized she was a she, walked in and said oh I didn't know they had real lesbians on soaps. And, I said actually she is supposed the straight matriarch of a fashion house, who keeps winning her husband back from younger women. She busted out laughing and said, "People watch this shit?"

Instead of her and Brooke having a mother daughter bond at the end, they should've had her hookup with Brooke and die in the heat of passion. Brooke would've become the first soap slut to sleep with both sons, the father, and the mother, of a main family.

[quote]this really butch lesbian, that I actually worked with for a month before I realized she was a she, walked in and said oh I didn't know they had real lesbians on soaps. And, I said actually she is supposed the straight matriarch of a fashion house, who keeps winning her husband back from younger women. She busted out laughing and said, "People watch this shit?"

LOL! Great story!

I thought Flannery was very believable as a straight married woman. Do we even know she's a lesbian? Not all straight woman have beauty pageant hair or wear micro-minis.

[quote]Do we even know she's a lesbian? Not all straight woman have beauty pageant hair or wear micro-minis.

r229 Read the Personal Life section of Flannery's Wikipedia entry.

She’s not a lesbian. She just likes eating pussy.

Ada was probably the most married character in AW history, so someone must've thought she was believable as a heterosexual wife and mother.

[quote]Ada was probably the most married character in AW history

I beg your pardon?

After Charlie Hobson died , they didn’t bother giving Ada another love interest. Liz Matthews and Ada should have become late in life lesbians.

Yeah sure Connie and Irene as a couple would've really attracted the straight Midwestern 18-49 housefrau demo. However it would've been entertaining to see Ada use a dildo on Liz.

[quote]After Charlie Hobson died , they didn’t bother giving Ada another love interest.

Her post-Charlie dates, according to AWHP:

• Captain Delaney (1985-1987)

• Sidney Sugarman (1989)

Ada’s snatch was all dried up by then.

I bet Ada and Ilsa Fredericks got it on at least twice.

They toyed with Ada and Jim, but that didn't go anywhere.

Larry Haines played Ada's love interest Sid Sugarman (as mentioned above) for about 6 months in 1989.

No idea why the show dropped the character. Larry and Connie were decent together.

I must say-R1 won this thread right off the bat-Thank you ! I am curious if Louise (Anne Meachem) got roughed up by Ada/Connie. Louise was sort of well mannered/refined and had clearly intense love for bug eyes . Louise must have hated the subservience to the low class harridan Ada. I imagine Connie giving her a hard time, forcing a few tubs of the auld relic.

When they tried to pair Brian Bancroft up with Ada-that must have been the final straw for him . There was a scene with Aunt Alex, Ada and Brian trapped in a cabin. Farce of all farces …..

Aunt Liz not Alex,,,,grrrr

In the late 70s, Harding Lemay did some scenes of Ada, Liz and Jim Matthews trapped someplace together. I believe one time they were trapped in a cabin together.

So, I guess subsequent writersr just substituted Brian Bancroft for Jim Matthews and did the scenes again.

what's everyone's earliest memories of AW?

I go back to Pat Randolph being poisoned by Caroline Johnson; John sleeping with Bernice; Nancy Wickwire as Aunt Liz.

I'm 59.

R244- the scenes you mentioned must have killed off Hugh Marlowe. It must have been a tactic when they wanted to get rid of someone.

I doubt Connie would've had any patience with Hugh Marlowe as a screen partner. He was forever flubbing his lines.

I'm 54 and my earliest memory of AW was the Friday cliffhanger where John Randolph and Olive's lover Evan Webster are struggling with a gun, which goes off, and we're left waiting till Monday to find out which one got shot. It was my mom's favorite show, next to AMC, so I'm sure I watched it earlier, but that is as far back as I remember. I also have vivid memories of the Sven kidnapping Rachel storyline, but I think that came a little later. Sven terrified me! My mom had a huge crush on Nicholas Coster btw. I tear up every time I hear the iconic theme song, because it reminds me so much of my mom, who passed away last year.

The people who still luv and mourn its loss are 70 year old virgins. Get over it. 1999 was 22 years ago

I don't recall exactly when I started watching AW. Probably sometime in 1970. My earliest specific memory was a Friday cliffhanger in late May 1971. My mother was preparing for her 25th high school reunion that night. She was on the reunion committee and needed to go to check out things at the venue before coming home to put on her makeup and get dressed. I was too young to be left home alone, so I had to go with her to the venue. She wanted to leave for the venue (10 minutes away) about 3 p.m. I kept begging to wait until the end of the episode, which ended at 3:30 p.m. She ultimately consented. And it was WORTH it to see the Friday cliffhanger!

Rachel's husband Ted Clark had broken into the medical clinic where Russ Matthews (Rachel's ex-husband) and his fiance Cindy Clark (Ted's sister) worked. Ted was there to steal drugs (I believe he was being blackmailed or something like that). Russ came back to the clinic late that night while Ted was stealing the narcotics. Before Russ saw him, Ted hit Russ in the back of the head with a crowbar and fled the scene, leaving Russ there unconscious and bleeding! End of episode!

I spent the whole weekend worrying about what would happen to Russ. Would he die? Would someone find him and save him? Would Ted get caught?

R249 I’m still not over it that they originally called the show The Another World but changed it at the last minute to Another World.

r251

My earliest memory of AW is when Cecile and Alma were trying to make Blaine think she was crazy. I think this storyline occurred while I was on summer break from high school. Up until that time, I was a big ABC fan, but I think I was getting bored with OLTL. I remember AW had a different look to it than other soaps. The lighting was brighter, and the show seemed a bit more sophisticated than the other shows I watched. The show eventually brought on Donna and the Love family, which I loved.

My earliest memory must have been around 1971 when Rachel sent Alice “dead baby clothes.” I was 10 and even then I knew that was one hell of a cunty thing to do.

I, too, was terrified by Sven. And even though Rocky seemed a tad too close to young Jamie and Dennis I mourned him when they found his chopped up body parts in a plastic bag under the floorboards of the Cory boathouse. Fucking Sven. This was Lemay’s attempted merging of Ibsen with Hitchcock and it was unforgettable (and got huge ratings).

My mom stopped watching altogether after the resolution of the Mac/Rachel/Janice/Mitch plot resolution in St. Croix. Our "family soap" became AMC, after my mom's younger sister, a die-hard AMC fan, began getting us hooked on that show around 1977. I revisited AW during the Sally/Catlin/Felicia/Cass/ Wallingford/Cecile/Kathleen years and the return of Jackie Courtney, but it really didn't hold my interest past 1985/1986. I watched sporadically after that, but It just could never even come close to recapturing its glory years, and its constant change in tone and structure in an effort to boost ratings and demos just came off as desperate IMO.

My first real memory of AW was Iris' above ground pool. I found it fascinating.

They sure gave Connie homely husbands: Harry Bellaver, Dolph Sweet, Fred Scollay. That would be enough to turn even the most femme woman into a butch lez. Ada needed to be fucked by Mitch Blake or Catlin Ewing to appreciate hot dick.

Yep, Dolph was fat and Fred had terrible pockmarks.

R227 I think that's what Stephanie's death scene sort of implied.

It was a way for Stephanie to die in Brooke's arms without, well, dying in her arms.

Connie HATED how lazy Beverlee McKinsey was. She could not understand why Bev complained of overwork when she only worked 3 days a week and 8 months per year.

[quote]My mom stopped watching altogether after the resolution of the Mac/Rachel/Janice/Mitch plot resolution in St. Croix.

That was a good time to stop, there were some rough years after that.

Flannery was karmically punished for her heterosexual dalliance.

I'm the one that many moons ago mentioned my dear (and late) friend and I bonding over AW because when we first became roommates, he said he was off to visit Miss Rachel and when I asked what he meant, he said, "Gurl, after I smoke a bowl I am off to Another World! Announce me at the Cory Mansion, gurl!"

I was somewhere around the Bicentennial years when I began to comprehend - Mom had watched since it started, I think, but I picked up on the story around 6 or so. Mom reminded me of Rachel (the Wyndham Rachel) and our mean cunt blond neighbor was SO Iris.

Mean Cunt Neighbor (MCN) talked about my mom behind her back and was spreading rumors about my dad cheating on my mom. She tried to get me to share gossip about the neighbors to her and in typical Iris fashion I made up a few things as "plants" and when MCN confronted me about what I'd said and told me it was going to get her in trouble I used an Iris line from an AW air show a few days earlier. "Lotsa luck, honey" and walked away. She never did talk to any of us again after that until they moved.

[quote]I remember AW had a different look to it than other soaps. The lighting was brighter, and the show seemed a bit more sophisticated than the other shows I watched.

Bright lighting was Paul Rauch's signature on all the soaps he EPed.

[quote] I revisited AW during the Sally/Catlin/Felicia/Cass/ Wallingford/Cecile/Kathleen years and the return of Jackie Courtney, but it really didn't hold my interest past 1985/1986.

Yeah, AW went through some rough years in the 1980s, ones that chased away many people who had been accustomed to the tone and style of Harding Lemay's glory days in the 70s. In my opinion 1982 and 1987 were the absolute worst years, but 1985-86 was pretty bad too.

Things improved drastically in 1988 when Harding Lemay come back as HW. Even though he didn't stick around for long, not needing the headache of network interference, in the short time he was there, he got the show on the right track and wrote the Bible the carried the show for the next 3-4 years.

I'm one of those who says that Another World never really recovered from Harding Lemay being fired. He really put his mark on that show and quite frankly nothing was right again, really, until he returned in 88 and then Donna Swajeski ( allegedly) coasted on his bible for years.

I think AW had three great eras.

1)Nixon which bled into some of Cenedella

2)Lemay

3) Lemay again, followed by some of Swajeski

AW just had a tone and feel that was different from other soaps during Lemay and it was hard to make it a "soap soap" again. Watch some of that late 79 early 80 stuff and it was still very much Lemay's style. And in all fairness people probably started tuning out because it did seem dated compared to what was happening over on ABC.

I think AW would have rebounded in 1984 if Richard Culliton had stayed as headwriter and they had been able to keep Nancy Frangione as Cecile.

Agreed r266. Even though Lemay had left, Tom King's HW stint still carried the tone of Lemay's AW. Very stagey and theater-like, which I appreciated. The problem was the 90-minute format combined, the loss of McKinsey, and the addition of a ton of new, mostly boring characters. Judith McConnell's Miranda Bishop was obviously meant to be an Iris replacement. I thought she was very good in the role, but the Bishop/Halloway family were so boring. They would all be gone within a year or two.

And then Rauch hired another playwright as headwriter who proved to be disastrous. Love him or hate him, Lemay really was a singular talent.

Lemay's era was SO GOOD and transcended soap opera, so any creative highs the show might have experienced after he left seemed lackluster and never lived up to the quality of his work. Ryan's Hope was another very high-quality show that suffered tremendously the moment its gate keepers, Labine and Mayer, left after selling the show to ABC. Labine and/or Mayer returned a few times, but they were never able to capture the magic or quality of their first stint.

R250, I recall that also; I think Ted's sneakers stepped in some paint or some kind of liquid that left a print and would i.d. him as the killer.

R245 Bratty Rachel (Robin Strasser) getting SPANKED by her fed-up husband Russ.

This has probably been discussed but was Marland’s HW stint on GL or ATWT better? His time on GL was only 2 years so it may not be the best comparison.

R273, I think ATWT -- late 1985 to 1987 or '88 was his best and then he got great again in 1990 with Bob/Susan/Kim story, Casey dying (heartbreaking etc)

he told the mother lying to protect the daughter at a murder trial three times; Lesley/Laura on GH; Jennifer/Amanda on GL; Kim/Frannie on ATWT; the ATWT was perfection.

Marland was a big homo who made actors suck his toes in order to get a job.

What was Pam Long’s best run on GL? 83-85, or late 87-90? I’d say her 83-to early/mid 85 were as strong as any HW has ever had.

Did Anne Heche ever diddle Connie’s snatch? We know that Anna Stuart gave Anne her first dildo. Maybe Anne used it on Connie. Yum yum yum!!!

Pam's first run from was incredible. The period from May 1983 when her scripts started airing until about May 1985 was fantastic. Her final year from about May 1985 until Jan/Feb 1986 when she left on maternity leave was less than stellar, but a lot of that was network interference and a co-HW who didn't have such great stories.

But that first two-year period May 1983 to about May 1985 was just amazing. It's one of my favorite periods of GL. Show was must see-TV for me at that point. Pam revitalized the show which had been floundering in the 8-9 months since Marland's final scripts aired. She brought in characters that lasted through the rest of the show like Reva, Beth and Alex. Plus she created characters we still talk about and who came back for visits often like Mindy, India and Lujack (who came back as twin brother, Nick).

That said, as much as I loved those first 2 years, my biggest grip about her first run is that she neglected many of the characters that were already there. Sure, she brought established characters like Phillip, Rick, Tony, Vanessa and Josh into the stories she was writing. But at the same time, she only made half-hearted attempts to write for Nola and Quint, Kelly Nelson, Ross Marler, Ed and Maureen. And she virtually ignored Mike Bauer, Katie Parker, Floyd Parker, Trish Lewis, only giving them enough scenes to meet their guarantee until their contracts ended. And she wrote off or killed off Justin, Hope, Amanda, Leslie Ann and Hillary.

By the end of her first run in Jan/Feb 1986, there were only a handful of characters who had been there three years earlier. Someone who last watched in Jan. 1983 and then tuned in again in Jan. 1986 would only recognize Maureen, Vanessa, Ross, Henry and Bea, plus would know the characters of Rick, Phillip and Ed, but all three were played by different actors at that point. Everyone else would be strangers. Such a huge cast turnover in just three years time was really disturbing.

[quote] my biggest grip about her first run

I'll OH DEAR myself here.

Should be GRIPE

Pam's writing in her first stint was very entertaining and definitely got back to basics by making it more family-oriented, but the show was really dumbed down during this period, if you compare it to Marland's much more intelligent, adult writing from just a few years earlier. I'm not one of those people who worships Marland, but if you watch episodes and clips on YT of both regimes, there's no denying that his storytelling and day-to-day scripts were much more literate and mature that Long's. I found her second stint (88-90?) much more interesting and mature.

R278, spot on analysis.

I can't imagine being a GL fan in the Marland Era circa 1981 and then popping the show back in three short years later and not recognizing it at all.

Pam wrote Vanessa MUCH better in her second time at the show, but she'd been diffused to say the least. the first time.

Gone were Amanda, Jennifer, Jackie, Diane, Carrie, Rita (!), and little Evie and in their places were India, Alexandra, Maeve, Beth, Mindy, Reva, and Roxie.

It's hard to say which I preferred better. BOTH eras were amazeballs and I'd love to see them all released on DVD.

Pam was a hack. Terrible choice to write TGL. She killed my beloved Bauers.

The only time GL was ever must watch for me was during Curlee, Demorest and Reilly and then just Curlee and Demorest. That was some of the best soap opera I had ever seen and (I'm alone in this) the best era of GL. I've never seen a period of show where almost everything hit and everything was so balanced.

I'd say for me, Pam Long's first stint was the show's most entertaining, if dumbed down, era. There's a real warmth and hokey sentimentality to her writing that absolutely transcends her worst tendencies. And the familial tone was refreshing at the time (1983), when most other shows were trying to copy GH and its action adventure/sci fi nonsense. I find Marland's writing a few years earlier so much more intelligent and literate, though rigid at times. Warmth and sentimental charm were not his strong points. I watched a few episodes from the early 70s which were just fantastic.

R275, get it right. The reality wasMarland would be in the kitchen jerking himself off WATCHING John Wesley Shipp and other ATWT/GL hunks cavorting about in Speedos and bare feet. There was never any direct contact required. Marland knew better than that.

Good for Marland! Happy to know I wasn't the only queer jerking off to a speedo-clad JWS in 1981. Too bad Marland wasn't around for the casting of a SORAS-ed Philip. His mouth would've dropped to the ground when Grant walked in to audition, just like mine did when I saw him on screen for the first time.

I became a fan of GL during the Marland years, so when Hope and Amanda and Kelly and Nola got sidelined and worst of all when Carrie was hurriedly written out, I lost interest. The only Lewis I ever cared about was Trish. For me, GL wasn't must see again until it came together leading up to Maureen's death.

I can't believe you guys liked when they tried to turn GL into Texas. There was just something not GL about it.

It is THE Guiding Light!

That creepy little kid on GL who played Gregory on Texas was the last straw. I’m amazed Sharon Acker or Eluzabeth Allen weren’t brought on for Alexandra.

Gail Kobe was a lezzy.

Elizabeth Allen had a brief recurring role as a psychiatrist on GL circa 1983. I believe she was treating Annabelle.

And the whole Annabelle story was an enormous violation of GL history. My mother, who was a huge GL fan, turned off GL then and never got back into it. She just kept saying, "These old men did not know each other then!"

Pam Long wanted her Texas pal Carla Borelli for Reva.

Pam really wanted to cast Jerry Lanning as Billy Lewis in 1983, but the network squashed that.

Jerry had played Pam's on-screen husband, Justin Marshall, on Texas. And he would have been PERFECT for Billy Lewis. The Billy character was clearly created with Jerry in mind, written to all his strengths as an actor.

But she had already cast Texas alums Harley Kozak (Annabelle) and James Rebhorn (Bradley Raines) and bringing in Jerry Lanning as Billy within the six weeks of her tenure would have really looked bad. That's why the network said no.

Perhaps if she had waited a year of so, until 1984, to bring in Billy, she could have gotten Jerry Lanning cast in the role.

She brought on Jerry Lanning a few years later to play Cain Harris, but the character was a flop. She also brought over Bev McKinsey and Lisby Larson, who I adored on Texas, but she was so shrill as Calla.

GL was must see TV , according to my mom, from the mid-70s until mid 80s. Then 1989-1993. My grandma said GL and ATWT were must see TV in the 50s and 60s.

I loved Brent/Marian, though the show had too much Deas. I loved Annie/Reva/ Josh in 1997-1998. I also enjoyed GL from 1997-2001. It had a ton of great young actors/characters who would go on to have solid Hollywood careers (B. Snow, T Blanchard, H Panettiere, P Wesley, J Lenz, L McKeon, and several more). The last 9 months was also solid.

The Cain Harris character might have worked if Pam had still been there. But she created the character, cast Jerry Lanning and then went on maternity leave.

If she'd been there to oversee how the character evolved and write to Jerry Lanning's strengths, I think Cain could have turned into a long term character.

He was clearly intended as a love interest for Reva. Instead, show decided to jettison Cain about three months after he debuted. They made Cain go all psycho on Reva and soon after, he was history.

I couldn't see Lanning and Maeve Kinkead having any chemistry, and Billy was clearly brought on for Vanessa.

I’ve seen footage of Reva trying to commit suicide by jumping from the bridge. It looked cool. She even walked over real ice. The camera work was stellar esp when they filmed from above as she went into the water.

Soaps, especially from the mid 80s-mid 90s, were really good at big scenes like that. I think because they didn't have to do them every day or week, they were able to plan and budget for them. Now, they have the time but not the budget. GH looks great, compared to Y&R, for instance, but Jason's big return to Port Charles the other year was a lackluster sequence that lacked the pizazz required.

Trish Lewis was the first of the Lewis family to arrive in Springfield, making her debut in Aug. 1981, followed by Joshua in Oct. 1981.

Then in 1983, Billy, Mindy and HB all arrived and the Lewis family was suddenly one of the main families on Guilding Light.

Must have been weird for actress Rebecca Hollen, who played Trish. She was the first character in what became a main family but she was never more than a supporting character throughout her four years on the show. Meanwhile, all the other Lewis characters -- Josh, Billy, HB and Mindy -- all became vital characters.

And during Pam's tenure when all her Lewis relatives were becoming main characters, Trish was only used enough to meet her guarantee. She must have been wondering, "What did I do wrong?" All my relatives get main storylines and I'm only on once a week with about dozen lines each day."

The network must not have thought enough of her to keep her around.

I similarly think the network didn’t think much of Beth C her first time around. I think they would have sent Phillip off to prison knowing VI was coming back as either Lujack or his twin Nick.

Rebecca Hollen was a mediocre actress.

Will Queen Locher interview Jensen B. from the slammer? It would be a viewership bonanza!

When will Miss Locher be interviewing JWS and Marsha Clark? Am dying to hear about their hot youthful romance. Maybe he can get Velekka Gray to come on and talk about her torrid romance with Joel Crothers.

Beth C was a bit vanilla during her first stint as Beth. Judi had a certain something that gave Beth a spark. Beth C didn’t display that her first go around. I enjoyed her, but I think it was the writing more than the actress. I think Judi’s Beth would have had fun with Sherry Stringfield’s Blake. Beth C was fine against her, but not as fun as Judi would have been.

Beth C did great in limited scenes with Roger. Beth had a stinging delivery when Roger tried to give her a wedding present. Judi did also did great against Bernau’s Alan I wonder how her Beth would have done against Roger.

Vee, who’s in the biz, wants Miss Locher to interview potty mouth Fulton.

Lololol SON is imploding.

Vee is in the biz. In case you didn’t know.

Who is Vee? Virginia "Ginny" Dwyer?

Beth Chamberlin became a knockout when she returned in ‘97.

[quote]r251 I’m still not over it that they originally called the show “The Another World”

How very strange. What was the rational for that??

Sharon Gless had to have been the dikiest looking straight woman in history. It is my belief she deserves Honorable Mention.

^^ sorry. this was for the Elder Dykes thread : (

It was a sad day when all the shows dropped "The" from their titles. The shows were just never the same after that. I stopped watching on principal. Would continue calling it "The Edge of Night" really have hurt the demos THAT much?

R316 What I can't figure out is why the network never tried airing a show called "The Edge of Night" at 7:30pm, back when they programmed that time slot? Especially when they were all looking for another Peyton Place and men were much more important at nighttime and it was known to have a uniquely large male viewership for a soap.

They tried to, but Donald May sort of put the kibosh on it due to residuals. He wasn't wrong, but he wanted the type of money that PG wasn't going to pay for re-airing a soap.

I mean why didn't they just move it to that slot, not air it in both daytime and primetime.

Trish Lewis temporarily survived the post Marland purge.

She was not only a Lewis but she was the ex-wife of Andy Norris so that gave her ties to lots of characters.

Shortly after Edge moved to ABC in Dec. 1975, the network wanted to have late night airings of the soap. Like at 11:30 p.m. or 12 midnight. In fact ABC repeated the 90 minute episode that kicked off the ABC run in late night and it got decent ratings (Back in the mid 70s, ABC experimented with a lot of things for that late night time period) .

Anyway, ABC, P&G and the cast never could come to terms on residuals. Whether Donald May (Adam Drake) was the one causing the problems, I do not know. But the end result was that we didn't get same-day late night repeat episodes of Edge because of it.

Who knows how soaps might have changed if they had gotten those late night airings done.

I think Edge was especially well suited for an 11:30 p.m. time slot and would have done well.

When the USA cable network broadcast reruns of the of EON, it was on late at night. It fit the show really well.

P&G must've liked Rebecca Hollen, because they moved her over to AW as Peggy Lazarus. She didn't last long there. Didn't they try pairing her with the actor playing Peter Love at the time? The one after Chris Holder.

Did Eve Stapleton or Sarah McIntyre air during any of the Long/Kobe era. They appear early in the reworked disco theme, and their spots are replaced by newly arrived Billy and Philip/Beth at the prom, which leads me to believe that they must've appeared minimally before being written off. Did they get exit stories?

[quote] She was not only a Lewis but she was the ex-wife of Andy Norris so that gave her ties to lots of characters.

Characters Pam Long never wrote for, like Barbara and Holly. She probably didn't even realize the connection.

Pam wrote Holly well in 89 & 90.

R270 I wish I could have seen it. It does sound fascinating.

Doug brought Trish Lewis Norris in as Andy's battered ex and a friend of...someone's Vanessa, I guess.

Rebecca Hollen was terrific and they should have kept her in 1997 when she came back for HB's funeral and used her as foil for Ross and Blake; Liz is a very nice woman and a big GL fan but I was never a fan of her Bloss.

Rebbecca survived a few post Marland regimes -- Pat Falken Smith, L. Virginia Brown and the next regime Long and Cullton kept her and continued to build the Lewises.

She was a loss in 1985 when she left.

The show started going off the rails with the Dreaming Death. I remember enjoying it when I was a teen, but rewatching it and much of Long's original run on YT now, she really dumbed down the show. It became very plot-driven and less about the long-term relationships. The Bauers really suffered under her, with the loss of Mike, Hillary, Hope, and Bert, and the recast of Ed. Peter Simon is a very good actor, but he comes off as very low energy. He lacks charisma. They needed a more dynamic actor in the role as last remaining Bauer of his generation, and Richard Van Vleet, although he was great on AMC, was not a good fit. If they fired Mart Hulswit to de-age Ed and make him closer to Maureen's age, certainly they could've found a good actor with more screen presence who was already in the P&G stable.

Donald May was a problem on that show. Sort of similar to Don Stewart on GL. And later Bob Woods on OLTL.

Was Don Stewart universally hated? Apparently, he and Geri Court loathed each other. I heard she disliked him instantly, and he wasn't about be paired with someone his own age. He wanted a younger romantic interest. Tina Raines and Bev McKinsey evidently were brought on as potential romantic interests for Mike, but, again, he wanted to be paired with a younger actress. I think someone mentioned here awhile back that he wanted to be paired with Rebecca Hollen, but TPTB said no.

I have never understood the appeal of Beth C, especially her return in the late 90's. Talk about over-acting and chewing the scenery. When she was on screen I didn’t know if she was drowning or talking. That kind of overly emotive acting (gasping, sighing, stammering, head slapping) is often why soaps get panned despite how hard the actors (and everybody) in the medium work.

R331 She was completely different in character and acting. It was jarring. She settled down and earned her Emmy nom later on. She was more “Beth” in the last year.

Queen Locher needs to do a 4 Eds reunion. All four actors are unbelievably still alive and kicking: Peter Simon, Mart Hulswit, Richard Van Vleet, and Robert Gentry. Am I forgetting anyone?

what actors on GL had to do in the late 90s to hold onto their sanity was beyond me

The writing was all over the place and the end had begun with clone Reva (Kim's great but that was NOT a P&G story), San Cristobel and the Santos clan

Phillip and Beth breaking up over Alan's fake letter made no sense. Alan Michael should have come back and broken up Harley and Phillip. God bless Grant for never phoning it in, but Harley and Phillip were wrong on so many levels.

Get this fucking thread back to discussing ME, or I swear I will kick somebody in the cunt!!

Harley and Phillip had a great friendship. They did not work as lovers. Yes, AM should have broken them up if they had to be together in the first place. At some point, GL should have lured Vincent back to have Beth and Nick interact. I’m not going to go there again about them never meeting because my blood pressure is now 300/210 thinking about it.

Late 90s GL had some great stuff. It was entertaining. It also had some maddening stuff. Newer viewers loved it. Older viewers hated it. My sister loved 90s/00s GL. She never watched it until 1995 when I got her into Brent/Marian.

Connie and Kim Zimmer would have hated each other

Connie would have kicked Kim in the cunt on day one.

Though the writers assassinated Beth as a character, Beth C made her someone to still root for, except not in the beginning. After her terrible return she was a normally complex soap character. She just lost a lot of what made her Beth Raines. They regained some of the character’s essence following the Lorelei split personality storyline. It somewhat explained Beth’s torment.

WHET fat Ed, fat Hope, fat Hillary, fat Rick, and fat Bert? Someone should've told the Bauers that knockwurst is not a basic food staple.

Beth being a completely different character is right. Like all Rauch ladies at the time she was clingy, whiny, and desperate for a man. She sat in the overly lit Spaulding living room with her tits out and cried about how no one loved her. I remember they paraded her around to every eligible (and non-eligible) man and the acting was laughable - lots of drunk falling down slapstick type comedy that wasn't supposed to play for laughs.

Was Rauch better than Conboy for the show?

One turned the show into a cartoon and the other spent the budget into the ground, to the point where it never recovered and they ended up shooting in trailer parks in the final stretch. It's a toss up.

Conboy's sophisticated/gay/Bell-show aesthetic didn't really translate well to a kitchen-sink NYC show like GL.

Rauch's GL was so strange sometimes. During the 1997-1998 period, there were several love triangles moving the show, yet all of them had a man at the center: Phillip = Harley/Beth; Hart=Dinah/Cassie; Josh=Annie/Reva; Buzz=Nola/Jenna; Matt=Beth/Vanessa. And that's just off the top of my head. There were a couple of triangles with C-Listers too (characters on only a few times a month).

Triangles are fine; some are even great. But I found it funny that there were so few triangles that centered on the female character since soaps are considered a women's medium. During that year the show had Blake=Ben/Ross as a triangle centering on a woman, but I don't recall any others. I stopped watching in 1998.

Which female actresses fled GL because Paul Rauch tried to grab them by the pussy. Maeve Kinkead doesn’t count because that happened on AW.

GL had flashes of greatness during the 95-09 years. As someone mentioned, Brent/Marian, Lizzie Leukemia, a lot of great young actors, Reva/Annie……it is just the rest did not seem like GL

Vee, who’s in the biz, told Ellen Wheeler to move GL to Peapack.

Vetsoapfan wanted FatEd to come to Peapack to romance FatReva on TGL.

Conboy’s GL was awful schlock. His opening credits looked cheaper than a powerpoint.

I would've had a coronary if they had dropped The from The Secret Storm or The Brighter Day.

I hope TYATR doesn’t drop The!

Leave it to the SON losers to have the dumbest opinions! The ATWT finale was ruined for DramatistNightmare because Lucy Deakins didn’t reprise Lily and she was played by Noelle Beck. FFS, morons.

What would "The City" have been without a 'The.'

I bet James Rebhorn would have come back to GL during the Lorelei story. He was always appreciative of his soap origins and particularly loved the writing on GL during his time as Bradley Raines.

R355 For a short time, of course! Lol

I bet that bitch India had something to do with this.

Ah, but R354, why the fuck didn’t they call it City Loving?

An alternate title they considered was "Love and the City."

Also considered "❤ and the City" but feared newspapers and magazines in the mid 90s might not have the heart emoji or heart symbol available to use in their typeset. They were worried what they might end up using instead of the ❤ if it wasn't available to them.

The ❤ certainly would have been ahead of it's time, which is what The City was definitely doing on many fronts, but audiences weren't ready for.

Watched the Chris Goutman interview on The Locher Room. He confirmed his reputation for being a vindictive, arrogant son of a bitch.

Janice Lynde is back on Y&R next week as Leslie Brooks.

She did two NY soaps: AW's Tracy DeWitt and OLTL's Laurel Chapin.

Both women died in cars; an explosion on AW and a car wreck (I believe) on OLTL.

Rauch produced both soaps at the time of her characters' deaths.

And don’t think she wasn’t chowing down on his bratwurst at lunchtime.

Wasn’t Janice Lynde a pain in the ass. I thought somebody here said that.

I wonder which actors/actresses had a really hard time working with Connie.

[quote]Wasn’t Janice Lynde a pain in the ass.

I don't know, but her AW character was a waste of air time.

"A Summer Place" is on TCM right now. And why did no one tell me that BONNIE FRANKLIN had an uncredited part in the movie? Bonnie and Connie together! It's DL Fave overload!

WTF! So, you queens just abandon me!?. No posts on this thread in over 48 hours!?

I ought to come back and kick each one of you in the cunt! Keep the discussion going, girls!

If I had stripped down to my undies, jumped in a fountain and baptized myself the Slut of Bay City, that would have given you something to talk about!

these four remaining shows, save GH, are hollow shells of what they used to be.

I remember running home in high school to watch Karen Wolek testify at Viki's trial. Bobbie try to break up Laura and Scotty, and Rachel try to save Mac from Janice and Mitch in St. Croix.

But these shows now? Y&R has no more drama. DAYS is a mess. B&B is, at best, predictable. I wish ATWT, GL and AMC and OLTL from the 1980s and early 90s were all available.

Ada should have been a prison matron instead of a beautician or restauranteur.

Just got through watching the Linda Dano session of the Locher Room.

It's well worth watching. Linda talks a lot about her background and how she met her husband Frank.