The Way We Were based on Farley Granger/Arthur Laurents relationship

I'd never heard this before.

So, is Barbra claiming to be non-binary now?

Thanks for posting this. I didn’t think there was a way to make me love this move more….but

Gah! Barbra Streisand allied with Arthur Laurents. The legal definition of HELL.

Who and who?

Have no interest in knowing if this is true or not, but it sure makes for a great post.

Who to cast in the gay remake ot TWWW?

They had a daughter???

“You’ll never find anyone as good for you as I am, to believe in you as much as I do or love you as much!”

…

“Your girl is lovely, Hubble”

😢

It's a trivia item on the IMDb listing for the movie, but who knows if it's true.

Is this in "Original Story"? I started reading it but Laurents's insufferable egotism and insecurity made me give up.

[quote] Who to cast in the gay remake of TWWW?

If it ever gets greenlit, the loud, pushy, over-compensating gay has already been cast.

I have always heard that the other man was Tom Hatcher , his life-long partner. Farley Granger is a bigger name, but I am not sure that I am buying this version.

Now THIS is the sort of thread that makes DL such a precious resource.

You mean TWO MEN?????

What is missing from OP's post is the immense difference in their looks. Laurents was not particularly attractive while Granger was. Of course this appealed to Streisand, whose entire career is movies where the ugly duckling gets the handsome guy.

Tom Hatcher (and Granger) both represented a WASPy, masculine ideal. Laurents was never handsome but he had a cocky sexiness (what the kids call "big dick energy") to him that many men found appealing. Laurents was very proud of this photo of him and his partner Tom and displayed it in his homes, and even put it in one of his biographies.

The story about TWWW sounds like BS to me. Neither Hatcher nor Granger were at all like Hubbell in the novel or the movie, beyond being handsome Gentiles. It reminds me of people who insist Edward Albee's brilliant WHO'S AFRAID OF VIRGINIA WOOLF was actually about 4 men. Because everyone knows that gay male artists are incapable of creating stories outside of their own limited queer experience.

"Big Dick Energy. If you say so. Perhaps a still can't quite capture it.

Farley granger is the nelliest queen ever, how is he "bisexual" ?

THE DEEP BLUE SEA is basd on Rattigan relationship with a young man who left him for a cad and finally killed himself. in the movie, Vivien survives and leaves Freddy

It's the laughter we'll remember, honey.

I could see the resemblance between Arthur and Barbra.

Beanie of course will play Katie in the Broadway musical version.

R22 Arthur didn't look like a sea lion

Total bullshit. Laurents got the story from people he knew at Cornell when he was a student. But a gay The Way We Were is a great idea.

Hubbel WAIT!

Babs’ reaction:

The Gay We Were!

Most of Tennessee Williams's plays and his one novel about women's relationships with men were based on his own experience with boyfriends and male hustlers.

I agree most gay authors did not always do this, but he did.

[quote] But a gay The Way We Were is a great idea.

Gay versions of straight movies and plays always are box office gold!

Dylan O'Brien and Logan Lerman for the gay remake.

Were there more than six homosexuals before 1960? They all seemed to have fucked each other.

I remember reading that the original story for 'Of Human Bondage' was based on Maughan's relationship with a hustler or some such lower class type.

NEW YORK —

In the early ‘70s, writer Arthur Laurents was on his way to Barbra Streisand’s New York apartment to pitch the star on a idea for a film.

In the script he’d write for her, she would be teaching disabled children to sing in Brooklyn Heights: “The Sound of Music” meets “The Miracle Worker.” But while talking to Streisand, whom he had directed in the 1963 Broadway musical “I Can Get It for You Wholesale,” Laurents came up with a different idea. As Streisand gabbed on, he was suddenly reminded of a young woman he knew from his days as an undergraduate at Cornell University.

“Frizzy hair and sensible shoes, a brown skirt and blouse, a red scarf, handing out leaflets in 1937 on the Arts campus. ‘Stop Franco!’ ‘Stop the war in Spain!’ ” writes Laurents in his “Original Story By: A Memoir of Broadway and Hollywood,” which will hit stores March 28. “Her name--the coincidence was surely an omen--was Fanny Price.”

Fanny Brice, of course, was the character Streisand played in “Funny Girl.” Fanny Price would be the inspiration for Laurents’ brassy heroine in the 1973 film “The Way We Were.” And the evolution of this original story--from scenes scratched out on yellow legal pads to a glossy Hollywood film starring Streisand and Robert Redford--is just one of the creative journeys traced in the book by Laurents, best known for his books for the classic musicals “West Side Story” and “Gypsy,” and his screenplay of the 1977 film “The Turning Point.”

Those journeys often left Laurents enraged and frustrated. No more so than during “The Way We Were,” when the usual indignities suffered by writers in Hollywood were compounded by the fact that the movie was his most autobiographical work.

Hubbell Gardner, the tormented WASP, is a composite drawn from friends, including some of Laurents’ male lovers. The Jewish firebrand, Katie Morosky, stems as much from the writer as from Fanny Price. Her clarifying rage at injustice and hypocrisy, which galvanizes the film, runs like a rich lode throughout Laurents’ caustic and gossipy book as it ricochets from his early years as a screenwriter in Hollywood (“Snakepit,” “Rope,” “Anastasia”) to his blacklisting in the ‘50s, to his heady, if turbulent, forays in theater (“The Time of the Cuckoo,” “La Cage aux Folles”).

..........

Looking at the film today, Laurents says that it displays some fine chemistry between Streisand and Redford. But he also thinks the original story was seriously damaged by superstar personas and Hollywood hokum.

“Anyone who becomes a movie star must be superhuman to remain human. Superhuman, Barbra was not,” he writes, nor for that matter was Redford. Too often, according to Laurents, the movie became, in Redford’s case, about hair and teeth and white turtleneck sweaters to set off baby blues. For Streisand, he says, it was about grand accents and fingernails, and for director Sydney Pollack, outdoor cafes in a college town that would never have had one.

the way we were is a shit movie for fraus

It's hardly a masterpiece, and Laurents is hardly Chekhov, or even Arthur Miller.

The story was just soapy melodrama.

A remake of The Deep Blue Sea was made for television starring Rachel Weisz, Simon Russell Beale as the stuffy husband, and a young Tom Hiddleston as the shallow, ex-RAF cad, Freddie.

I don't buy this story of the genesis of TWWW, either. Granger just doesn't seem inspiring enough.

[quote] A remake of The Deep Blue Sea was made for television starring Rachel Weisz, Tom Hiddleston

No thanks, I see turds every morning in the shitter, for free

I always assumed Farley was Italian or vaguely "Mediterranean". Despite the foo-foo WASPy name.

r37, I saw The Deep Blue Sea at the cinema. It's excellent. Weisz was criminally denied an Oscar nomination by that brat in the bayou actress Québooboo Wallis.

Weisz is a turd

[quote] I always assumed Farley was Italian or vaguely "Mediterranean"

that's because his claim for fame was the Visconti movie. He was in fact not Visconti's actor of choice for the part. Visconti wanted Tab Hunter, but Willson didn't care to send his cash cow to Europe, to shoot a movie for an obscure black director

Thanks for this amusing thread, darlings.

[quote] Weisz was criminally denied an Oscar nomination

you're F&Fed for that, (and you're a racist)

Maybe Laurents did see Granger as a kind of Hubbell. Is there any question that, in order to succeed, gay authors of the past had to change the sex of the characters that were based on their own personal experiences in romance and sex?

The remake of “The Deep Blue Sea” is beautiful to look at, and Weiss is wonderful in it.

Vivien Leigh got stiff and matronly so fast - her version is practically DOA.

R46 F&F you are a turd

I wonder what Margaret Sullavan’s stage version was like.

probably good, since she was a depressed suicidal serial divorcee

Margaret Sullavan on WML?

R38 it's the play that sucked, not the cast. The characters are so two-dimensional and the deck so stacked, Rattigan's petulant bitter anti-English sentiment is really the main character.

R51 I absolutely adore Vivien's performance, and I just hate Weisz. in everything.

The Way We Were was turned into a story a soapy melodrama by director Sydney Pollack, who literally cut out the political ending with scissors at a screening. It was Sydney Pollack who was unable to light a fire under Redford's ass and get some human feeling out of him. And Sydney Pollack is the one who couldn't round off some of Streisand's shrieking and make her character likable.

As it stands, I don't know why this movie was, is, so popular.

R20 It's a pity that Vivien's last big movie is only available in these low-quality muddy copies.

it's not a pity, it's caught in a legal battle between two studios. it was produced by london film but released by fox. that's why it's not available. and it's not her last big movie

Hubbell was a deadbeat dad.

AND CERTAINLY NOT HER LAST BIG PERFORMANCE

[quote] Granger just doesn't seem inspiring enough.

Have you been in love, R37?

Being in love with a real man is inspiration enough. And Farley was pretty.

He may seem skinny, wan and passive on a monochrome screen but Laurents is telling us that Farley was his muse.

R48 I would prefer the original actress, Peggy Ashcroft, who looks appropriately suicidal in this picture.

Peggy was culturally closer to Rattigan.

Peggy had a face for the theatre. She wouldn't have sold 1 ticket. even I couldn't sell that dreck

R55, R57 I discounted those two you mention.

My memory is that Vivien shot all her scenes for 'Roman Spring' in a London studio with Rome presented as a back projection. And just who is this Jose Quinteiro nobody anyway?

And Stanley Kramer's 'Ship' was even more tawdry with the Goddess Vivien being mawled over by that ghastly cowboy and the ghastly comedy Colonel Kllnck or whoever.

R61, no a lot of it was filmed in Rome. you can see Viv walking wistfully through the city in long shots. Quintero was a famed stage director, it's his only Movie IIRC, but he did direct luminaries on the stage

I'm assuming Quintero was a gay buddy to Tennessee Williams but I feel the movie was over-long, clumsily-staged, and pathetically sad.

It even sadder that poor Vivien was too scared to play Violet opposite Liz in Mankiewicz' 'Last Summer'.

Quintero's IBDB...

[quote]R63 It even sadder that poor Vivien was too scared to play Violet in Mankiewicz' 'Last Summer'.

She was too proper and prissy for that role.

I don't think she was interested in aunt Violet at all, and she loathed Elizabeth taylor, she wouldn't have taken a suporting part to a much inferior actress, who was desperately trying to copy her.. I wish she had played the terrible Mrs Maudsley in THE GO-BETWEEN

R60 Peggy Ashcroft wasn't sexy but she had an intelligence to play vastly different characters.

She had one scene in '39 Steps' which Francois Truffaut described as a perfect short movie in itself.

She starred opposite Paul Robeson in 'Rhodes of Africa' but this movie seems to have been banned.

She appeared in a 1941 Terence Rattigan comedy called 'Quiet Wedding'. It is a gentle romantic comedy and Peggy has a supporting role playing a sophisticated Londoner who seems to presage the Woke Hipsters of half a century hence.

She sings! She dances!

Peggy was with Mia and Liz in SECRET CEREMONY . how could you skip that one R69 ?

[quote] terrible Mrs Maudsley

Was she? I thought she was only protecting her daughter's reputation.

Losey wanted Deborah Kerr to play Mrs Maudsley. But that would have been most unfortunate.

Deborah was wrinkled and middle-aged but the proportions of her face were still better than the sloppy-lipped, quasi-slutty Christie's face.

R70 I find her terrifying

I get Peggy Ashcroft and Edith Evans mixed up.

[quote] I get Peggy Ashcroft and Edith Evans mixed up.

They were both famous most of their adult lives for being actors, but Evans was almost twenty years older.

Peggy Ashcroft: 1907-1991

Edith Evans: 1888-1976.

Peggy was considered the leading star of the british stage, until Vivien did Streetcar. Stealing the part of Lady Collier was a big fuck you from Vivien, and love her for it

R65, R66

Hepburn was fabulous as Mrs Venables.

But the facial resemblance of Vivien and Liz would underlined the fact that Sebastian needed similarly-beautiful women to lure his prey.

Hepburn was fabulous playing at Grand Guignol but sweet Vivien would have conveyed the pathetic tragedy of it all.

Arthur Laurents was a vicious queen who wasn’t even particularly good looking. NEXT!

r41 = Daniel Craig

[quote]R70 …the proportions of her face were still better than the sloppy-lipped, quasi-slutty Christie's face.

I find it extraordinarily that we suddenly have an ant-Julie Christie loon.

What did she ever do besides look divine, give good, surprisingly modern performances in interesting films, and routinely tell Hollywood to go fuck itself?

^^ ANTI. (Not “ant”)

we don't care about arthur laurents R76 . can't you see we're in the middle of an interesting conversation ? were we talking to you ?

Hepburn was the better player in that dreck IIRC, Vivien was an infinitely better actress, but I would have hated to see Vivien take second lead for that histrionic cow, Taylor

R74 I hope you're not Datalounge's Vivien Fan who keeps insisting that Vivien was a viable stage actress. She wasn't.

She coasted by on stage using her fabulous looks and her husband. She had top parts with the Old Vic Theatre and the St James Theatre but that was because her husband and Coward pushed her and coaxed her and covered for her tiny voice and tiny figure. She was best in light comedy roles.

She was a top movie star but NOT so on stage.

[quote] "surprisingly modern performances"

R78 Yes, they are very surprising and disconcerting and weird playing Edwardian gentlewomen and anachronistic Victorian dolly-birds.

R81= Kenneth Tynan...sorry but she was. She had to work hard to develop her voice, but she did, and she was a power house. I've known many english stage stars, and they all agreed that she was formidable. You are an ignorant cunt, and you don't know anyone who ever saw Vivien live.

R78, I don't know if it's the same poster, but sJulie has her detractors here. i don't love her in everything, I don't like the nose job(s), but in THE GO-BETWEEN she was terrific

What are you talking about, R42? Visconti wasn't black.

R84 Visconti was italian, of course he was black

So black.

Bullshit on Laurents claim that the model for Katie was a Cornell co-ed named Fanny Price. Fanny Price is the protagonist of Austen’s Mansfield Park and also the name of a supporting character in Maugham’s Of Human Bondage. I doubt lightning struck a third time—and Laurents was a well-known fabulator.

we're not on that warpath again are we ? italians-are-not-black ? look, I'm 3/4 italian, I know we're less "black" than the africans as per our skin color, and we have european feaures, but we're the endemic black people of europe.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

she had a first nose job before becoming an actress, her original nose was larger and made her look slutty

[quote] made her look slutty

Don't you mean 'more slutty'?

R91 no, I meant "even sluttier" but I didn't dare

[quote]R89 Did Christie have a nose job? It looks a general tightening to me.

I don’t think Christie is insecure to the point of getting a late-in-life nose job. Plus, she’s not really looking for acting roles, so… why would she do something radical?

She lives quietly on a rural farm somewhere (in Wales?)

R93 she had one early in life, and once you've started, you can't stop. She had a facelift and her nose is noticeably thinner than it was ( She had a second nose job in the 70's, not recently)

Considerably whittled down.

[quote] Laurents was a well-known fabulator.

Of course, R87 he got Oscars for his fabulations.

R96 you're rude. We're talking about Julie Christie

Arthur Laurents even fabulated his own name.

Ok R98 doesn't want to understand ? blocked

Back to the fabulous misses Leigh, Christie, Ashcroft and co

Start your own thread, you parasites

Christie was born in india; like leigh. Her father was a plantation owner. He had a secret mistress and a mixed race daughter, whom Chrisite doesn't want to hear about

OP, sorry but your thread was boring, and nobody cares about foofoo farley and arthur laurents. a shit actor and a nobody. you should be grateful that we brought this thread alive. So I was saying, Christie has family issues

I have trouble distinguishing between Arthur Levine/Laurents (1917 – 2011) and Ernest Lehman (1915–2005).

Both were highly successful, multi-Oscar nominated scriptwriters, both Jewish, both worked in similar milieus and time on Broadway and for Hitchcock.

Very similar careers but Levine/Laurents was gay but Lehman wasn't.

104 = another cunt I've blocked...sad

What about:

what about him ?

"Hubbell was a deadbeat dad."

Hubbell was one of the biggest assholes in the history of movies.

Arthur Laurent’s was a talented writer but a bit if an egomaniac and creep. His autobiography is very interesting because by the end of it he has pretty much (unintentionally) convinced you that he’s a jerk- everyone is wrong about everything but he is right.

[quote]Arthur Laurent’s was a talented writer but a bit if an egomaniac and creep

A BIT of an EGOMANIAC?

What makes Laurents valuable is that he did a lot of talking - about EVERYBODY. He would not "cross (his) line" by outing anyone who hadn't been already outed when he wrote his 2000 autobiography, but that's about it.

Where does this notion about Granger being the inspiration come from? I can personally find out for sure if it’s true or not.

Anyway, Granger was never beautiful or pretty or handsome. There was a brief period in like 1945, when he was very young, where he was somewhat attractive *when he smiled*, but that was it.

[quote] And Stanley Kramer's 'Ship' was even more tawdry with the Goddess Vivien being mawled over by that ghastly cowboy and the ghastly comedy Colonel Kllnck or whoever.

Just [italic]ghastly,[/italic] it really was!

It's Laurents' husband who looks like Hubbell, not Farley Granger. I'd always heard it was based on a romance Laurents had while a student at Cornell.

In any case, it was a terrific script and made a great movie. Barbra should have won the Oscar for it.

Farley? I had him.

Farley Granger, not being handsome....

Farley Granger was magnificent.

Fuck Vivien Leigh. Fuck her right in the ass. She was perfection as Scarlett O'Hara and insufferably neurotic in just about everything else she ever touched. Photogenic, though. You have to give her that.

Speaking of Oscar LeVant, is Jack McFarland still doing that play about him at The Goodman? Sean Hayes made it clear in "Promises, Promises" the stage is not his medium.

I'm sorry, is there some breaking news I'm not aware of?

I've only seen the Vivien Leigh version of The Deep Blue Sea, she was supposed to have been very miscast and far too elegant and beautiful, and obviously very different from Peggy Ashcroft.

Of course Laurents based characters he wrote on his past lovers/relationships, why wouldn't he? Unless he had had an affair with this Fanny Price (lol) chick, he wouldn't know that much about *her* and he had to base it on something he knew well. Doesn't mean it's a word-for-word recreation of his relationship with Fraley Granger or anyone else, but it's not automatically "bullshit" that he based it on past experience. Anyway, it's a shitty movie. Best part is late-30s Redford and Streisand as college students. They look like mom and dad visiting their kid on Parents' Weekend.

R40 - I agree, Weisz' performance in The Deep Blue Sea was the redeeming feature. Hiddleston's shallow cad was actually perfect for him at the time, and Beale is a fine actor. I just don't like the play itself. As often happens, you end up watching the cast, not the play.

WTF is that other poster's problem with Rachel Weisz?!

She's icky. Ruins everything. Just do not like her. At all.

[quote]WTF is that other poster's problem with Rachel Weisz?!

[quote]She's icky. Ruins everything. Just do not like her. At all.

Rachel Weisz is one of the very few modern actresses I will see something she's in just because she's in it. The movies themselves aren't necessarily that good, but that's hardly her fault. I saw her in Denial, My Cousin Rachel, and Disobedience, and liked her performance in all of them. Maybe I'll see some of her other movies after the pandemic.

How much better "The Favourite" would have been had Kate Winslet not withdrawn and been replaced by Weisz. She lacks the stature of Winslet and the whole thing was out of balance as a result.

Now there's an actress I never need to see again, Kate Winslett. Does she ever keep her clothes on? I saw her in that movie in the bathtub with the uncut Nazi, the one where Patrick Wilson fucked her on top of a washing machine, and again in the first half of a Justin Timberlake flick written and directed by Woody Allen.

I'm an ancientgay, so Woody doesn't bother me the way he does some of you, but even so, I could only watch half. I just can't stand watching Kate Winslett for two hours. I'm done with her.

[quote] Best part is late-30s Redford and Streisand as college students. They look like mom and dad visiting their kid on Parents' Weekend.

There's a part at the end of On A Clear Day You Can See Forever where Streisand comes out of the college and walks on campus, and even from a distance and with actors in "Sunday best" clothes scattered around pretending to be students, she looks like she's someone's dotty aunt coming to visit. She was only 27!

[quote]Where does this notion about Granger being the inspiration come from?

From the creative minds at the Datalounge.

How interesting OP Thank you!

No, from the IMDb trivia list for this movie, r126. Who knows who submitted it.

^ Someone from The Datalounge

Robert Redford is like Clark Gable. He always plays himself.

That’s called being a star r130 dearie.

Farley Granger was considered for Nick Arnstein in Funny Girl (Broadway).

Since when is a "tiny figure" a drawback from a stage actress?! Especially in the era Leigh's career was formed in, when delicacy and daintiness were so desirable.

Judi Dench, Imelda Staunton, Margaret Leighton, Margaret Lockwood, Celia Johnson, Jean Simmons - all small women and terrific stage actresses.

The era of tall came in with the 1960s and the Redgrave sisters, particularly, and the explosion of English supermodels like Shrimpton.

Exceptions in the 1930s-1950s were women like Flora Robson - who was always cast in character parts. Robson herself once said that if she had a choice, she would come back as beautiful.

Leigh's talents were not astronomical - she was no Maggie Smith or Vanessa Redgrave - but they weren't nonexistent, either - she was curiously sympathetic, charismatic, and beautiful. You WANTED to watch her.

And in the end, that's what you can take to the bank.

I attended one of Laurent’s book signings when he wrote the book. He was so full of himself. He talked about Farley Granger as if he were the #1 leading actor in H’wood, and got upset that the gays didn’t know who Granger was. He also went on about Lena Horne, and how they had a falling out, but later became bffs again. He was handsome, but the arrogance was off putting.

R125 I'm pretty sure Streisand isn't playing a college student in that film. She's an outsider who goes to sit in on a class.

[quote] I'm pretty sure Streisand isn't playing a college student in that film.

Not only am I playing a college student, I'm playing a FRESHMAN, a freshman who was so smart she got into college at 15, goddammit!

[quote]He also went on about Lena Horne, and how they had a falling out, but later became bffs again

But they didn't. After the fall out, Lena kept Laurents at arms length. She only started speaking to him (a little) much later when she was nervous that he'd spill the beans on what he knew of her when they were close friends.

[quote] Fuck Vivien Leigh. Fuck her right in the ass.

I did! And I thought of Danny Kaye the whole time, too.

It's true that she's not a student r135, but she's also not supposed to look old enough to be a college student's mother. Once she leaves the building and goes outside into the real world, she looks ridiculous, like she's a decade older than everyone an in a costume and wig, which she is.

The role originated with Barbara Harris who was 29 and the revival had Vicki Lee Taylor who was 27, both Streisand's age or older, but photos show they look much younger. Barbara wasn't too old, she was styled poorly for the modern day scenes.

[quote] Fuck Vivien Leigh. Fuck her right in the ass.

actually, I quite like that, so thanks

R116 = Peggy Ashcroft

[quote]Judi Dench, Imelda Staunton, Margaret Leighton, Margaret Lockwood, Celia Johnson, Jean Simmons - all small women and terrific stage actresses.

I thought you were wrong about Margaret Leighton, so I looked up her height, it's listed as anywhere from 5'8 and 1/2" to 5'10". Ingrid Bergman was 5'9", Pat Neal, Roz Russell and Angela Lansbury were/are all about 5'8". All good on the stage.

R138 how could you not, Larry, with my big cock right up your ass all the while ?

R33 You have exposed your ignorance.

The lovely and intelligent Margaret Leighton was known for her height.

R 144, You mean R133.

COULD THE PEOPLE I'VE BLOCKED NOT POST PLEASE? I CAN'TREAD

R133 Did you read that in her memoir?

Or did she tell you personally?

R147 SEE R146

[quote]R123 How much better "The Favourite" would have been had Kate Winslet not withdrawn and been replaced by Weisz. She lacks the stature of Winslet and the whole thing was out of balance as a result.

I’d like to see you say that to Weisz’s character’s face. She would have kicked your ASS.

weisz's pussy stinks

[quote] The era of tall came in with the 1960s…

The era of stupid came in with the 1990s.

Weisz and Winslet need to die

[quote] [R33] You have exposed your ignorance. The lovely and intelligent Margaret Leighton was known for her height.

How DARE someone not know about Margaret Leighton's height!!

[quote] …Margaret Leighton …Celia Johnson - all small women and terrific

Margaret looks fabulous in black and white… 'smooth and shiny'

'I always thought alienists were immigration officials'

'He has ghastly things in the bathroom strapped to the wall'

'I've given up the idea of falling in love with your husband'

Poor R33 never mentionned Maggie Leighton anyway, but still, I agree, R133 doesn't know what she's talking about and she's a cunt for trashing Vivien

The Way We Were was at least PARTIALLY based on a romance he had with a wasp-y athlete at Cornell in the 30s. The athlete was super closeted and wouldn't acknowledge their relationship at all. He talks about this in his autobiography

wasn't Maggie married to Larry Harvey , at some point ?

R157 Very briefly, and it was a mistake. It was discussed here at length already.

In the movie A Clear day, Streisand distinctly states, as her cigarette is being lighted, that's she's 22. I wasn't the only one who laughed when I saw it at The Pix in White Plains in 1970. She didn't look like any 22 years old I'd seen (I was 15).

r146 can tread!

R159 did I look much too young ?

I love the pic at r17. Tom Hatcher’s body looks kinda perfect…

Neither Streisand nor Redford seem to be able to lose themselves in a character. He was the worst in Out Of Africa…

[quote]He was the worst in Out Of Africa…

and god know she had competition

[quote] Jean Simmons - all small women and terrific stage actresses.

Jean appeared on stage just once in her life— with a microphone to amplify her small voice. She needed a stool to kiss her husband.

Lord, I just realized at r139 I typed "Barbara" when I meant "Barbra." What a blunder. In my defense, it gets confusing when you're talking about two Barb(a)ras!

Redford played the same character in all of Sydney Pollack's films. Pollack can bring out the dullness in an actor. Even Paul Newman was boring in Pollack's Absence of Malice which I just watched on Prime.

What the fuck, R164. If Jean Simmons appeared on stage only once in her life, how did she lead the American National Company and the original London company of A LITTLE NIGHT MUSIC?

[quote]what a dreck !

OH DEAR

R168 Dreck is a noun. It just doesn't use an article before it.

Use it in a sentence: Goy dreck!

[quote]Jean appeared on stage just once in her life— with a microphone to amplify her small voice. She needed a stool to kiss her husband.

And I saw her (A Little Night Music).

[quote] And I saw her

Did you hear her satisfactorily with her microphone?

R172 Apparently I did! It was a big deal for me to see her, I was a fan of her Biblical movies. It was a school trip, also seeing Margaret Hamilton was cool though I didn't think she was right for that part.

TWWW is a great movie, one of the best romances ever put on film. Terrific performances by both the leads, who were perfect for their parts.

“for director Sydney Pollack, outdoor cafes in a college town that would never have had one.”

True. The sidewalk cafe scene was filmed in Ballston Spa, NY, about 25 minutes from Union College in Schenectady, NY. (The 16-sided Nott Memorial was the backdrop for the rally scene.)

The cafe had to be created and the street (almost the whole village, really) closed for the night filming. The townspeople of Ballston Spa were a little put off by the implication that their fine village would even allow such an establishment.

who the fuck cares whether a town had an outdoor cafe or not? it works in the movie beautifully.

[quote] who the fuck cares

I care. I abhor these "dining sheds" littering the public sidewalk.

R174/R176, are you one of those swooning fangurls?

I always got Farley Granger confused with Stewart Granger. I can't remember a damn thing about Farley, except that he failed to make much impression in Hitchcock's "Rope", but I've always been attracted to Stewart! Very attractive man, tall and charismatic, with a face that was handsome in a non-Hollywood way.

Jean Simmons agreed, she was married to him for 10 years .

^ It's not often you hear people bragging about not having seen Strangers on a Train.

Yet it is Farley Granger who is still remembered and not Stewart Granger.

I can't even name a Stewart Granger movie.

Farley was smart to work with Hitchcock, twice!

[quote]Terrific performances by both the leads, who were perfect for their parts.

After the war maybe, but they were too old to be students.

Plus, all the political stuff was edited out, leaving a big hole in the story about why they split up.

And we are supposed to swoon over Redford at the end, but he is a deadbeat dad and a selfish asshole.

Most beloved romances are pretty fucked up if you look at them closely: The Way We Were, Love Story, Brokeback Mountain, The Fly....

It's OK to have 'Most beloved romances' , R183, but you need some conflict in order to make a play or a movie.