Have you ever been to northern Italy ? What did you think of the people there ?

In Northern Italy all seems to breathe freedom and peace and to make one forget the world and its sad turmoils.

I've seen some things that a woman ain't s'posed to see.

I've been to paradise

But not to Italy

Growing up in New York and learning Italian from my friends, had no idea they didn't speak correct Italian. Their families were from Southern Italy, so I learned their dialect, dropping vowels at end of words like Prosciutto and Calamari and words not used anywhere else in Italy.

Do men look like this R1?

If you haven’t been to northern and southern Italy many times, it would be really hard to explain the different cultures that exist in both places.

It sounds like you have a lot of secondhand information, though, to help you create an opinion.

While you have some race baiting, troll like language in your post (granted, this is DL), I can say, as someone who is friends with a lot of Italians, and who has been to most regions in Italy, there is some truth to what you say. There is more refinement and art in the North, and that is where all of the wealth is concentrated. Remember, like many European countries, Italy was a collection of Kingdoms and became a nation state in like 1861 and then a united country in the mid 1900s. San Marino is still an entirely separate country inside Italy.

The people of the north are more fair, as you said, often taller with many having lighter eyes and hair. It also seems they don't pudge out as much as those in the south, though generally Italians don't get nearly as fat as most Americans, including Italian Americans, as their portions are small and they walk everywhere. And even though many drink wine, their pours are small.

[quote] Their families were from Southern Italy

That's another sin according to my italian family. Everything south of Napoli should be a separate country according to them. They see it as a shithole full of beggars who benefit shamelessly from the north

Italian men from all regions are pretty hot.

blond and blue eyed

I've heard this a lot.

And you know what? It's thinly veiled racism.

Northern Italy is whiter and richer, because they have more Northern European traits.

Meanwhile, Southern Italians are poor, uneducated trash because they have inter-mingled with North Africans and Middle Easterners.

It's all a bunch of idiocy to me, and just another story of one group of people trying to make themselves out to be better than another group of people.

And you know the irony here?

Southern Italians who populate much of the United States are now acting all high-and-mighty, looking down on blacks and hispanics, thinking they're sooooo much better.

I swear to god, human beings are fucking exhausting.

Everyone is always trying to be "better than" someone else.

[quote] San Marino is still an entirely separate country inside Italy.

Don’t forget us!

R10 You've never been to Italy. You know little about the country.

I know enough to never want to visit there, R12.

If Italians are this petty and hateful, then trust and believe it's not a place I would EVER want to visit.

I like countries with nice, civilized people who are polite, courteous, and gracious.

Italians sound like UPPITTY PIGS.

And let's be honest. The entire country is nothing to write home about.

So people love pasta. Big fucking deal. That's their main contribution to the world.

Apart from that, they're not a rich country, and the people are obnoxious.

THERE. I said it.

More butter, less olive oil.

There are plenty of blue eyed blonds in Sicily because of the French. Naples on the other hand....

Sicily was pillaged and oppressed by the Carthaginians, Greeks, Arabs, French and then for a very, very long time the Spanish. It’s a messed up culture in the way lots of countries with histories of brutal colonization are messed up. But it isn’t it’s own country and there’s the rub.

The people in Northern are open and kind. In Sicily people were stand-offish until they knew who my people were and that my roots were there.

I prefer southern Italy. Sicily is beautiful, as are the Aeolian Islands (Stromboli, Vulcano, etc.). I like the Naples region (Campania) because I am fascinated with Vesuvius, Pompeii, Capri, etc. I love the novel and film Christ Stopped at Eboli, and I visited the novel/filming locations in Basilicata. Southern Italy has a nice climate and great food.

[quote] So people love pasta. Big fucking deal. That's their main contribution to the world.

along with little cultural accomplishments in architecture, sculpture, painting, design, fashion...ever heard the word " renaissance" ?

[quote]So people love pasta. Big fucking deal. That's their main contribution to the world.

LOL. The Renaissance. The Roman Empire. Among the worlds greatest achievements in exploration. Inventions. Literature. Music. Architecture.

Your country is NAMED after an Italian.

Your Capital DC is named after an Italian.

But because you're low IQ....you would know none of this.

Oh dear

its not it’s

In the north, not in Northern.

I preferred Italian Switzerland (Ticino).

I summered in Liguria for a decades. It's very pleasant, quite relaxed, and not overrun with tourists. The sea resort towns are middle class and relaxing. Alassio has a sandy beach. The people are Italian of course, but share the temperament of Turin and Milan and the Alps, so its that sensible lifestyle that also exists in Switzerland and Austria. As soon as you drive past Monaco it's gone and the French and Spanish coasts are so much more animated, diverse, tacky, vulgar, high and low in wealth, and over run with tourists from everywhere.

Are you from North?

OP, you come from a very classy family. We should all aspire to their high standards.

Greeks use the same North/South argument. It's unoriginal and most often spouted by simpletons who think they're making a profound and original statement. ANY country's history is far more complex and diverse than that. I agree with commenter who called it veiled racism. Although it's not terribly veiled.

[quote]I summered in Liguria for a decades.

It's heavenly. And most Americans will never understand how high the quality of life is there.

I visited Sicily years ago. I found it to be a gorgeous and fascinating country. Stunning Mediterranean scenery and architecture. As r15 says, the population is a fairly diverse mix physically. The only thing I didn't enjoy was getting the worst sunburn I had ever experienced.

Threads like this trashing southern Italy and Italians periodically pop up here. Like a thread a few months back about a psychotic lily white irish American man terrorising his black neighbor in Long Island that devolved into multiple posters raving about how horrible Italians were because they were not " real whites". What it comes down to is they are usually darker complected so it's a way for racist posters to get out their aggression towards "ethnics" without opening the can of worms ( or banning) that going after people officially deemed POC will. Going after Latin or black people will quickly get a thread FFd ( as it should be) , trashing Italians or Greeks or Armenians will allow for about 400 posts of ranting.

In Visconti's movies, Italians look very refined. he himself was royalty, but looked like the gardner's son. his father was very elegant and handsome (and bisex). he was a duke, AND a count, and whatever else

I don't think you meant to type "royalty".

Northern italians are white. I'd say southern italians are white-adjacent (nothing wrong with that)

I live in Northern Italy, we are taller, richer and, unfortunately, much colder, so forget the big hearth and the overwhelming sense of hospitality that you can find in the South.

I’d love to suck their feet while they piss on me

R28 I did. the Visconti were the dukes of milan, which is a dukedom, and immensely wealthy. Luchino Visconti nurtured his love of opera in the opera house that was in his family's main castle in Milan. Many of his films were filmed in the family houses (castles), not movie sets, notably the ball sequance in "the leopard", that was the real ballroom of one of his houses

Aristocratic. Noble. I still don't think the Visconti ever had royal status.

Visconti's family was nobility not royalty.

OP, I just returned from Northern Italy, precisely the region known as Trentino Alto-Adige, otherwise known as the South Tyrols. The gorgeous Dolomiti mountains are located there. Trentino is where the Catholic Church signed many of their doctrinal proclamations. Trentino has a beautiful castle, which is adorned with frescoes and paintings inside. A must see.

The people in this region are hospitable and most speak some English. The closer you get to Austria, the more the Italians resemble Austrians in language and culture (they speak German and eat strudel and schnitzel). And you can find some blond Italian twinks, too!

Pictured below is Seceda, part of the Dolomites.

Correction, I meant to say the town of Trento is where the Catholic proclamations were signed and where the beautiful castle is located.

The Visconti were the rulers of the dukedom of Milan for centuries

the Bruni sisters. very elegant

R35 did you find the men to be beautiful, do they look more like Raoul bova and less like Joe Pesci ?

OP, there are beautiful men in every European country. Perhaps save your pennies and you can come visit someday.

Racebaiting troll thread. Same troll starts a similar thread every month: Are Italians white? Tedious.

Well, if I believe my eyes, the USA didn't exactly get the best of Italy

Everything south of Naples is Africa.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

More northern hotness

[quote]Everything south of Naples is Africa.

that is almost word for word what my family says

The Visconti have ancestors who married into the royal houses of the UK/England and France, and some of the German royal houses.

Of course the same thing can be said about most people of European descent.

Lol at people who try to make this a racist thread = they're sicilians. Nobody EVER walked into a plastic surgeon's office with a picture of Al Pacino saying "make me look like this"

R46, since Italy was not a country and therefore didn't have A royal family, I would say that the Medici, the Visconti and such WERE royalty

I’ve never been south of Bologna, where I was repeatedly stopped and asked for directions - and I’m so white I’m practically translucent. I quickly taught myself how to say “I’m sorry, I’m a stupid foreigner” in Italian. They seemed to enjoy that.

Northern Italy is absolutely beautiful, and the people are wonderful.

Italians in general are really lovely people unlike their neighbors the French, Swiss and Austrians who tend to be total cunts.

What is the name of Sophia Petrillo's village in Sicily?

[quote]Southern Italians are poor, uneducated trash because they have inter-mingled with North Africans and Middle Easterners.

Actually, DNA analysis has shown that the African/Arab admixture is not heavily prevalent.

Alex Belli from Parma

OP, the men are nothing like Joe Pesci. I wouldn't say beautiful, but handsome. Much lighter features.

Luca Calvani from Tuscany

The guy in the OP is gorgeous.

R56 that's Italian actor Kim Rossi- Stuart

Do any of you old fossils know how to link an individual picture instead of the whole fucking webpage?

R55, my name is Luka/Luca, I live on the second floor...I live upstairs from you...

Va fa enculo R58

The men of northern Italy are hot. I particularly enjoyed many men in the Italian Alps. They certainly looked good and knew how to drive at home.

Giulio Berruti

Learn how to use the internet r60

In a related thread:

What your family says resonates with me. I'm Sicilian-Italian, and almost all the Italian peninsula's people that I've seen when I visited had more of that northern and central European (almost Nordic) look. Then in Sicily, they were more uniformly darker, shorter and stockier, more resembling the Italian folks of immigrants around the Northeast where I grew up.

On the peninsula and especially in the north of Italy, when asked about my Italian background, if I mentioned I was Sicilian, I was told, "No, you're not Italian--you're Sicilian!" And then when in Sicily I told them what the northerners told me, I was rebuked, "Hell no, you are a full-blooded Italian!" lol Couldn't win. Shall we say, the Boot of the Italian peninsula definitely does seem to assert its imagined position above the Stone of the island of Sicily under its heel. ;)

Luca Argentero

R65 interesting. Please describe yourself, height, weight, etc

OP - Since you belong to the superior northern Italian people, you must be tall, blue-eyed, and handsome. Are you?

[quote] Then in Sicily, they were more uniformly darker, shorter and stockier, more resembling the Italian folks of immigrants around the Northeast where I grew up.

At last some honesty here. RMAONTF at the SJWs and their " it's a mixed population and the african/arabic influence is marginally present in the DNA"

R54 Joe Pesci's family is from The North(Turin) and The South(Avellino).

R58 It is Vaffanculo!

R63 One thing that unites Italy is that everyone in The Italian Peninsula thinks that Sicilians are not Italian! Oh and. that Naples is a shithole....OUCH!

R68 I am extemely handsome indeed, not so tall for an american, but a giant for an italian, and I have the most stunning chocolate eyes and a killer body. I was a blond child with curls, now a light brown/salt and pepper

For the picture-posting person here, you can link an individual picture instead of entire webpages. TIA!

After Sicilians get tired of the immature, ignorant, and childish insults that people like OP hurl their way, they will usually say something like this gem: “Northerners are so ugly that the sun will not shine on them (due to the heavy fog).” Lol…Btw, as someone who has travelled all over Italy, it is very common to encounter people with fair skin and light eyes, and hair due to all the invaders and migration patterns over the centuries. Troll thread.

r69 the arab admixture is not as prevalent as previously thought. Sicilians actually have more French and Nordic in them. Mediterranean people tend to be uniformly darker. Even French Mediterraneans.

It's hilarious how Americans think Italians are all like the Sopranos. It is so ignorant.

R74 calm down, we TOTALLY believe that sicilians look nordic

We're all mongrels. Only in Berlin is every one so pure. Vaffanculo OP.

r76 it's not that Sicilians uniformly look Nordic, obviously, but they actually have more Nordic/French in them than Arab. But even the Nordic/French is not a huge amount.

Just for the record, I didn't say anything, just what some Italians who happen to be relatives think , so many posters so offended. LOL some people here really don't like their heritage. Don't you wish you were fair skinned and blue eyed ! YOU are the racists, self haters!

[quote] Everything south of Naples is Africa.

[quote] that is almost word for word what my family says —OP

How proud you must be.

Have they registered their membership with the Nazi party yet?

Hurry, it's not too late!

R80 I am not responsible for their opinion of their own country

As a few others have written, blue-eyed Sicilians are not that unusual. In the 11th and 12th centuries Sicily was ruled by the Normans. I'd wager that a good number of those blue-eyed Sicilians can trace their ancestry back to French and Viking Norman mercenaries.

The racism is fractal. Spain has a slightly similar North-South divide, wherein the northern Spaniards & Catalans look down on the Andalusians, and there is an added anti-Arab flavor.

OP (R79) is very open with his racism. Stupid and ignorant. Doesn’t a usually start these kind of threads?

[quote]I am extemely handsome indeed, not so tall for an american, but a giant for an italian,

Bullshit from someone who has never been to Italy and knows nothing about the country.

Italians on average are taller than Americans, Taller than Germans, Australians, the French.

....

R82 alright then, So why do all the italian american actors de Niro/pacino and co look like puny little hairy brown monkeys ?

Now, with eugenics?!? Lol…very consistent at least.

Prejudice, snobbery, and racism influences northern Italian attitudes towards southern Italians. Yes, much emigration from Italy was from around Naples and Sicily, but not all. My forebears came from Genoa.

All of Italy was overrun over the centuries by Germanic groups, Greeks, Slavs, Arabs, and north Africans.

Let's not forget when northern Italians look down their Lombard noses on their southern cousins, that fascism originated in the north!

……….is this a thread inhabited by Millennials? The reason I ask is based on the conclusion many of the commentators come to that norther/southern Italian rivalry is an example of “racism”? Is that the only word you know, trash? They’re the same race, you imbeciles.

@R84 meant to type: “Doesn’t a usually start these threads?”

Thank you R90, I didn't know wether to laugh or cry...

Is a the same as the “white adjacent troll?”

Rolls eyes at R10.

R89 thinks there's some kind of wall between the North and the South. Is unaware that after the war, 10 of thousands of southern Italians moved to the north. Inter-married. it's not 1925 any more. Tell us, R89, why does Milan keep voting for mayors with southern Italian heritage?

I remember this National Geographic cover from when I was a kid. That lady was striking.

[quote] .is this a thread inhabited by Millennials

their attention span cannot stand more than one picture either. They're begging to not have to read a full page

[quote] They’re the same race, you imbeciles

That's the whole point of people saying they're racist, YOU IMBECILE.

The Northern Italians don't consider themselves to be the same "race" as the Southern ITALIANS.

When you have snobbish Northern CUNTS saying "Anything south of Naples is Africa," then THAT IS RACISM.

You stupid fucking IMBECILE.

I have tried to type “E-d-w-i-n-a” three different times. Lol, the name/word is apparently blocked! Wtf?

I also can't believe we're hearing "racism!" on this thread. As others have said, Italians are all the same race.

Americans can be such fucking idiotic dipshits.

I had a professor of Italian (born in Trieste, Italy). I was shocked when I walked into the class for the first time because she was about 6' tall, blonde, blue-eyed, and impeccably dressed. Very stern with flashes of warmth, but a great teacher nonetheless. Her mother was an unreconstructed fascist. I lived in the North End (Boston) at the time and was used to darker, shorter, "meaner" Italian-Americans who spoke in dialects I could barely understand, and most were Neapolitan or Sicilian heritage.

R94 poor R10 feels "less than "

OP is an obnoxious creep.

r98 I wouldn't say that. The North looks down on the South more for class/cultural reasons, not race of all things. It's similar to the North/South divide in the US.

Germany also has the same North/South divide. The Prussian Germans think they are the "real" Germans and superior to the others.

I have a similar opinion, R90, but the Italian media uses the term that way as well: the “racism” of the North against the South.

OK saying " Africa " is racist now....

[quote] meant to type: “Doesn’t a usually start these threads?”

What does that mean?

R98 doesn't even own a passport.

[quote]but the Italian media uses the term that way as well: the “racism” of the North against the South.

Oh really? What media?

Fabio Cannavaro

[quote]that they are low class trash monkeys

Your family sounds like trash themselves.

More Fabio

R111 you type female

R107, that is what happened when I would try to type the word “E-d-w-I-n-a.” Muriel (?) blocked all but the final “a.” This “E” person was a very prolific troll who was race obsessed. Lots of people here were accused of being this “E” person. I personally believe the “white adjacent troll” is also the “E” person.

[quote]OK saying " Africa " is racist now....

Since this is DL where most assholes immediately associate anyone dark with being "lesser," it's not hard to see what the insinuation whenever we have these tiresome threads.

R113, ironic considering you sound like a cunt.

insinuation is*

I've blocked so many morons on this thread it's lke a gruyere cheese to me

R109, all of the RAI channels with any news. I watch their CNN equivalent most often (RAI News 24). I have the same experience with ANSA.

OP thinks that his family referring to humans as "low class trash monkeys" wouldn't be reason enough to put his repugnant ass on ignore.

I'm sure I'm one of those on ignore - I'm glad.

The Italian thing on DL is one of the most bizarre things. We never see threads on the French or Germans, who also run the gamut from fair to dark, but DL is obsessed with Italians not being "white," which of course they are. Calling dark French or Germans "white-adjacent" would be absolutely ridiculous, but somehow the question always comes up with Italians. Very odd.

I'll trick with a southern Italian, but I'll only marry one from the North.

Even a WHORE has her standards.

OP - Curious, if you happen to be on a date with an Italian-American, do you ask your date where their family originated from? If they happen to be from the south do you cancel the date? Do you only date exclusively blonde, blue-eyed guys? And you probably voted Democrat. (A lot of white gay men exclude POC's so it will not be a surprise to me if your preference is exclusively white men).

R120 that's because Ellis island classified the "italians" (in fact sicilians ) as blacks in the early XXth century

[quote]with blond hair and clear eyes

Your family, OP, are obviously racists (go ahead and block me) and also don't know the difference between "clear" and "light."

FTR I'd take a smoldering southern Italian over the okay-looking northerners posted here. R120, the puzzlement over Italians goes all the way back to the decades around 1900 in the US, when racist, nativist white people had trouble accepting Italian immigrants (and Greeks, Jews, Hungarians, etc.) as "white." Sicilians were even lynched in the south.

R98 Hi there, R90 here. You don’t understand. It’s ok. Terms like racism and white supremacy is all you know. Go back to looking at your phone and wipe the drool off your mouth.

KISS ME GUIDO

[quote]A lot of white gay men exclude POC's so it will not be a surprise to me if your preference is exclusively white men

We don't want to ruin our credit.

R122 OK. I don't " happen to be on a date with an Italian-American" ever. I loathe the sicilian look. So low class and trashy .Give me a blue eyed, dark haired, peachy englishman any day.

[quote] you probably voted Democrat.

fuck nope

[quote] your preference is exclusively white men

Oh dear ! and no, actually I've hooked up with a black guy once and I liked it. sucked a chinese guy. Have a definite pencha,tfor arabs/middle east guys

[quote]that's because Ellis island classified the "italians" (in fact sicilians ) as blacks in the early XXth century

I doubt pissy queens in the year 2021 are even aware of this.

I lived in Milan for a few years for work, it's an understatement to say that they regard the South as peasants.

In normal times I live half the year in Lecce, Puglia now and I had to re-learn Italian to be accepted..

I Kind of downgraded my speech patterns.

Hm, so OP *is* in fact as racist and common as his relatives. How about that.

[quote]all of the RAI channels with any news. I watch their CNN equivalent most often (RAI News 24). I have the same experience with ANSA.

Bullshit. You obviously don't speak Italian and don't know what you're talking about. Specify an article, a journalist, an incident, that called out so-called "racism" toward the south of Italy.

R130 thank you. That's the truth. That's how Italians think . I am not saying they're right, it's just a fact.

[quote]I lived in Milan for a few years for work, it's an understatement to say that they regard the South as peasants.

Oh please. Why do their mayors have southern Italian names? Why are southern Italian names so prominent in politics, art, industry, culture in Milan?

My grandfather was from Calabria , and that side of the family is all batshit crazy, and fight and bitch at every gathering. One time a gun was involved, and I won't mention the shark hook. Is that from being southern Italian? My dad moved us away from them.

Clearly, YOU ARE the ignorant asshole, R132. I have answered your question. I don’t argue with ignorant trolls and have nothing to prove. Die in a grease fire, you rancid cuntress.

The Northern attitude at times toward the South has nothing to do with "race". That's ridiculous.

It does have to do with corruption.

Oh boy. When even Caucasians can be turned into another “race” for the sake of pushing an SJW agenda. The future is not good.

[quote]I have answered your question.

No you haven't, because you can't.

[quote]My Italian family members say that americans know nothing about italy because the "Italians" in the US are not real italians, but Sicilians, and that they are low class trash monkeys who shouldn't even be considered italians.

One thing I’ve noticed is that a lot of Italians in America don’t seem to get along with each other or look down on each other. Your post just proved that observation again.

"Racism" in Italy is toward the African migrants. I can't even really clarify attitudes toward Muslims as racist, it's more of a cultural thing.

^Classify

R137 It's not just corruption, it's about poverty.

They don't want to be associated with It, very similar to the UK class system

R134 It isn't about names, It's Money like everything else in Italy.

[quote] .is this a thread inhabited by Millennials? The reason I ask is based on the conclusion many of the commentators come to that norther/southern Italian rivalry is an example of “racism”? Is that the only word you know, trash? They’re the same race, you imbeciles.

They are not the same bloodlines. Northern Italians have a great deal of Germanic and Slavic blood in their DNA. Sicilians and southern Italians have Greek and north African in their DNA.

R143 You understand nothing about the country. It is ridiculous compare the UK's entrenched class system to Italy.

"Snobbery" if that's what you want to call it, in Italy has very little to do with money. In Italy social grace and culture is revered. The artisan. The butcher, the gardener, "il muratore", "il restauratore", "il contadino"...are appreciated and respected.

[quote]Sicilians and southern Italians have Greek and north African in their DNA.

An infinitesimal amount.

^ And actually Southern Italians have none.

Click on the chart: "Admixture plots of modern West Eurasian populations based on seven components"

[quote]They are not the same bloodlines. Northern Italians have a great deal of Germanic and Slavic blood in their DNA. Sicilians and southern Italians have Greek and north African in their DNA.

This old saw has been disproven with DNA testing. Do any DLers read anything about DNA? Italians are all the same basic ethnic stock, with some admixtures, but the admixtures are not heavily prevalent. Northern Italians are not Germans and Southern Italians are not Arabs, that is completely false.

As has been said, other Europeans vary from fair to dark such as French and Germans but nobody thinks of them as different ethnic groups or even races FFS.

The Moors were more of a ruling class, they didn't get down with the locals much. Think the British in India.

Friends of mine of Italian ancestry have had their DNA tested. Their results all came back either "Southern Italian" or "Northern Italian" as the overwhelming majority, with 14% or less of Greek, Balkan and German with some of them.

Moops, R149.

Too many RWNJ and bots here. I thought that this crapola would stop happening after the election.

R145 Northern Italians are the biggest Snobs in the World.

Milanese people regard everyone as fucking peasants. I have lots of friends in Milan and they are so 'altezzoso' it's unbelievable.

And funny.

Okay, R148, you make a good point. But the history and the culture of the two regions is very different. And that has led to different attitudes in the population today.

R153- Yet when Covid 19 his Italy it DECIMATED Northern Italy not Southern Italy. Hospitals were OVERWHELMED in Northern Italy and most of the deaths from Covid were in the north of Italy.

R153 There are nasty gay men all over the world.

The funny thing is when one thinks of Italian men, they're always the olive skinned, dark-haired, dark eyed swarthy hunks. They are the ones that ultimately symbolize the Italian male beauty. No one invoked Italian men and said blond blue-eyed men.

Who's that at R157?

Yes I know he's a total Republican asshole now, but speaking from a purely physical standpoint whenever I think of what a gorgeous Italian man looks like, the young Antonio Sabato Jr. is the template that always comes to mind.

R158 Michele Morrone

Thank you, R160.

I love the people in this thread who act as if Siclians aren't considered attractive or fuckable by a large swath of Americans - Stallone and Pacino were considered to be hot in their primes and Stallone in particular was a sex symbol for decades.

[quote]The funny thing is when one thinks of Italian men, they're always the olive skinned, dark-haired, dark eyed swarthy hunks.

And yet Franco Nero, Terrance Hill, Marcello Mastroianni, Ugo Tognazzi ...were no more swarthy than Alain Delon or Jean Paul Belmondo.

Skin reflectance - all Europeans seem the same

As a kid, I had one of my first gay crushes on Kim Rossi Stuart as Romualdo in Fantaghirò.

I’m half Northern, half Napolitano, and yes, the light haired, blue-eyed, taller, wealthier side of the family were snobbish toward the other side. As a child I observed it without comprehending. What I understood clearly, though, was that the Napolitano side was loving, generous and valued family relationships while the Northern side was secretive, stingy, and gossipy. So I knew where I wanted to belong. I am old now and the Northerners have died off or lost touch, while the Southerners remain close, and embrace extended family. I truly love my aunts, uncles, and cousins on the Southern side. The one thing both sides had in common was, they didn’t like Sicilians.

R123 and R144 are correct. The Moors mixed it up a lot in the south! But many Italians hate it and will deny it to the bitter end. I can say this as 1/2 Italian myself (mom is Welsh). Also, they do say south of Rome is Africa. My Neapolitan dad still says it.

Why are the pizzas in Roma square?

r167 if you've read this thread you'll see that DNA has shown the Arab admixture is not very prevalent in Southern Italy. Links have been provided.

[quote] they speak German and eat strudel

The North/South divide is a two-fold issue whether in Italy, Spain or France. The Muslim conquest of Spain and southern Italy continued for centuries, leaving its influence on culture and cuisine which continues to this day. Visit Palermo or Agrigento and you could just as well be in Tunis or Algiers.

The other major influence is, of course, the foisting together of separate, distinct cultures which had and have no desire to live together. As mentioned upthread, Italy, Spain and France were divided into regions, each with its own unique language and culture. Power junkies/unifiers such as Garibaldi, Phillipe II and Isabella/Ferdinand/the Hapsburgs made the colossal mistake of believing that people with absolutely no linguistic or cultural connection could live together happily. And then compounded the outrageous mistake by destroying the local language/culture and imposing a foreign one in its place. Therefore, it's no coincidence that Sicilians or Catalans or Bretons continue to cling fiercely and proudly to their local languages (dialects) and cultural distinctions and continue to despise and want nothing to do with the foreign elements imposed on them.

It's like some of people around here never made the jump to the 21st century

[quote] It's like some of people around here never made the jump to the 21st century

The 19th for some of us.

The best of Northern Italy as featured in the film DAVID'S BIRTHDAY. Chiudi gli occhi e pensa a me!

Filippo Timi

Stefano Cassetti

Errore 404, R175!

[quote] people with absolutely no linguistic or cultural connection could live together happily.

And it's going on today with Muslims in Europe, which has been a disaster.

R178 Muslims in Europe today are simply the continuation of the on-going for centuries conquest of Xtian Europe by Islam. A separate issue to unification and local cultural dominance.

R177 I have no prob with the link. But here, another one. Knock yerself out.

R43, the French say the same thing about Marseille: North Africa starts at Marseille.

I love this whole thread . OMG your racist. No your racist. NO YOUR RACIST. WTF.

I thought all White people are systematically racist. Isn’t that is what we are being told? In which case what the fuck does it matter what we say. We will be damned either way.

You can tell the difference between the North and the South easily. I love love love Italy. It is so incredibly beautiful and the men are hot, the women stylish. But snobs and rude . Seriously tourists are so hated in Venice, but it is so beautiful that the people could be spitting on you and you would still think” omg this rain is beautiful “.

Naples is chaotic. It is the only place in Europe I thought I understood the desperate need to leave and go elsewhere and yet the people are lovely and warm. I love Pompeii, , amazing and the museum in Naples has to be seen to be believed. So good.

We have been discussing Race , but I also think a lot of what we discuss as Race is mixed up in Class. Darker people seem to be sometimes associated with the lower classes. The Darker you are, the more you are seen to have a lower Class. Look at Class in England or Italy or even India. It is not just to do with Colonial world, it is something some people judge on . I find men of both the South and North hot.

[quote]OMG your racist. No your racist. NO YOUR RACIST. WTF.

R182 OMG, YOU'RE an illiterate moron. No, YOU'RE an illiterate moron. NO, YOU'RE AN ILLITERATE MORON!

The border areas of most all countries on the European continent display heavy ethnic mixtures of the people from the surrounding countries the closer you get to the borders. In northern Italy there is a lot of Swiss, French, German, Austrian, & Slovenian blood in their genetic background.

R13 embodies the dumb, loudmouth Amurrrican we all loathe.

They're Austrians.

OMG your racist. No your racist. NO YOUR RACIST. WTF. [R182] OMG, YOU'RE an illiterate moron. No, YOU'RE an illiterate moron. NO, YOU'RE AN ILLITERATE MORON!

—Anonymous R183

See I told you Class snobbery is alive and well

Lol@R186

Weird how many posters continue referencing Al Pacino as someone unattractive. I always found young Al Pacino sexy as hell, and quite beguiling.

He had flawless skin, gorgeous sad puppy dog eyes, and thick silky straight hair. The "hairy little monkey" refrain is comical as well, because I find nothing sexier than dark haired hairy blokes myself.

So very many ugly posters on this thread. This thread is sad as well; It should burn in the cyberspace equivalent of a grease fire. Muriel, do you have any Grappa and a lighter?

Some southern Italians don't like to hear this, but the farther south you get in Italy and in all of Sicily there is a definitely genetic mixture from people from northern Africa, specially Tunisia and Liberia. You also have a definite mixture of Greek blood with southern Italy and Sicily.

[quote]There are plenty of blue eyed blonds in Sicily because of the French.

They also have the largest population of redheads in all of Italy in Sicily too, I read somewhere. Again, due to the history of the place.

It's funny. I'm a pale skinned redhead and I speak Italian because I taught myself. Whenever I meet Italians they ask me, completely naturally: "So, what part of Italy are you/your family from?"

Non-italians in my country scoff at the idea that anyone could mistake me for an Italian, because in their minds, all Italians are dark and swarthy and that's all they can be.

Similarly, I've been asked a number of times if I'm Spanish, by Spanish people.

I've been from the Dolomites to Lecce; from Lake Maggiore to Trieste; from San Remo to the Amalfi Coast; major and minor cities in between. But, Sicilian-American though I am, never to Sicily.

What I believe one notices most about mainland Italians is the beauty, the stylishness, the happiness, the expressiveness, the love of life.

What I have observed and experienced in my family and Northern Jersey milieu is the love of family, the respect for hard work, faith, patriotism, and the sharing of food as one of life's greatest gifts and pleasures.

Mock as you wish.

Sicily, having been a kingdom conquered by disparate cultures, of course would have a hybrid language, customs, recipes, etc.

Much like the United Kingdom and the English language.

OP proves Eye-talians are snobs just like any other country has their specific 'castes' of people which others look down upon. OP had added nothing new to this narrative..

Who cares if there are blond Italians with light eyes. A friend's late grandfather was actually from Sicily, he was a very handsome tall man, he had natural blond hair and blue eyes. Explain that man being 100% Sicilian, but not looking typical of that region. Obviously, not all Italians and Sicilians have dark coloring or resemble Tony Soprano.

There are also natural redheads from Italy and Sicily. Same with Pakistan, lots of natural redheads there too. People need geography and history lessons!

[quote]american italians are to italy what puerto ricains are to the USA

Go fuck yourself, OP. Your racist trash family can do the same.

The funny thing is that, for many centuries, Southern Italy was far richer, not to mention more cultured and refined, than Northern Italy. The stability afforded by the Spanish to the kingdoms of Naples and Sicily, as well as the "shield" of the Papal States, guaranteed that the economic development of the region would be much greater than the North, which had been under war throughout the Middle Ages and had serious problems during the Habsburg-Valois wars between 1494 to 1559. Also, the South had more direct access to the Mediterranean trade and enjoyed much more political prominence as a consequence.

After the Unification between 1860/61 by I Mille under Garibaldi, and the proclamation of the Kingdom of Italy (which was only achieved through massive bribery and with the support of the Neapolitan camorristi, who were promised control over most of the South in exchange for their help), all industry was dismantled and the Banco delle Due Sicilie was broken up and bled dry for 65 years to finance the unstable Italian state, in what amounts to a massive transfer of wealth and resources from the South to the North, which was firmly controlled by the Savoy family.

So yes, Southern Italy's poverty is very much a consequence of deliberate, carefully escalated deconstruction and not a matter of incompetence at all.

Finally, I would like to clarify that the LANGUAGES that are spoken all over Italy are not dialects of Italian, which was created taking the Tuscan language as a primary model. They are languages in their own right, with their own grammar, verbal conjugation model, unique vocabulary and literary tradition. Moreover, the people who "drop" the last vowel of male-gendered words are not Sicilian, but Neapolitan (this is a feature exclusive to the Neapolitan language), as the Sicilian language is very different... By the way, here's an interesting fact: during the Kingdom of Italy's first years, there was an intense debate regarding which language should be used as a model for the unifying language that all Italians would speak, with some people preferring Tuscan and just as many others, favouring Sicilian (these were the two languages with the strongest and oldest literary legacies). Finally, Tuscan won the debate, but it could have gone the other way just as easily.

Another interesting fact is that Italy is one of the very few countries in which the language spoken in the capital (romanesco), is neither the official, nor the most prestigious one - to the point when the romanesque language has practically disappeared, and been entirely dialectalized into Italian.

Is it really news to DLers that northern Italians look down on southern Italians?

Or that many in a region that abuts Austria and Switzerland are blond?

News Flash: Most immigrants to the US were from the lower classes. That;s why they came here--to make a better life for themselves.

“You make a hate on darky. Whitey only good Putin say. Boris make a good hate here”

There are at least 12 distinct languages spoken in Italy (such as Latin and Friulian) and many more dialects. Italy is quite diverse linguistically.

[quote]Finally, I would like to clarify that the LANGUAGES that are spoken all over Italy are not dialects of Italian, which was created taking the Tuscan language as a primary model. They are languages in their own right, with their own grammar, verbal conjugation model, unique vocabulary and literary tradition. Moreover, the people who "drop" the last vowel of male-gendered words are not Sicilian, but Neapolitan (this is a feature exclusive to the Neapolitan language), as the Sicilian language is very different...

[quote]There are at least 12 distinct languages spoken in Italy (such as Latin and Friulian) and many more dialects. Italy is quite diverse linguistically.

Yes to both of these. The Italian languages are of particular interest to me. I started learning standard Italian, and then veered into other Italian languages as I made friends from different parts of the country. There are some really interesting differences.

198 here. I meant Ladin, not Latin. Sorry

Had an Italian grandmother. And each and every time I went to Italy, I hated the people and the country besides, of course, the art and architecture. That goes for North and South...

[quote] Hospitals were OVERWHELMED in Northern Italy .

They don't have hospitals in the south

interesting and fascinating that my innocuous post has started a war . Also, most of the faux outrage comes from women, so I wonder what's their damage here. So much hypocrisy. Honestly, It's clear that most europeans think of famous Italians = Kim Rossi Stuart while americans would think Sopranos; And for the "swarmy southern italians are hot " LMAO. who would you rather ? Danny de Vito or this ?

They don’t have strong business and academic ties to China in the south.

R191 I have redheads in my family on the Sicilian side or I did, the redheads are all dead now. Mussolini told my matrilineal great grandmother that she had the complexion of a peach.

All generalizations are inherently misleading, but I find the Sicilian culture to be similar to Scottish culture in terms of its clannishness, distrust of outsiders and ability to hold a grudge.

Norther italians despise the south because of the cosa nostra gangrene, which is the base of the economical system in Sicily,

R205 - because they think of them as darker. Such are the Latin countries. My roommate's ex was from Asturias and looked down on the Spaniards from the south. Romanians in this northwestern IT city look down on the ones in Bucharest the same way liberals in San Francisco look down at those from Flyoverstan. French from the north look down on the ones from Marseilles. A lot is about skin and hair color and mentality.

Sounds like America, OP. The rich attractive North is forced to take care of the trash filled red neck South.

R10 You had me until the bit about pasta being Italy's only contribution to the world.

Bloody hell, man, have you been to an art museum, an opera house, a concert hall, a film retrospective, or a ballet (ballet also began in Italy) lately?!

It's like saying the only thing Spain gave to the world is paella, and forgetting about Velasquez, Cervantes, flamenco, and all those Spanish composers.

Yeah, and England boils down to afternoon tea (forget all those writers, poets, universities founded in the 13th centuries, etc.) and Russia to borscht (oh, never mind Tolstoy and Gorky and Chekov and neoclassical ballet and all THOSE composers).

What the fuck possessed you to ruin what began as a half-decent argument with so massively moronic a statement?!

You're clearly just a bigoted racist, and worse, a nyet kulturny philistine.

R208- Let's not forget the other European contributions to the world- TWO world wars .

[quote]Oh boy. When even Caucasians can be turned into another “race” for the sake of pushing an SJW agenda. The future is not good.

As other posters have noted, the US has a long history of "Caucasians" drawing racial lines between different European groups; during the mass European immigrations of the 19th and early 20th centuries it was a matter of doubt to nativists whether Italians, Jews, and others—even the Irish—should be classified as the same race as English, Dutch, and other northern European (subtext: Protestant) people. And no, it wasn't "SJW's" doing this.

R181, and the English say: "the wogs start at Calais."

Thanks R195, for your clarifications. I'd say that there was never much chance that the language of Dante wouldn't end up the basis for the national language. Some people on this thread are acting like southern Italian varieties are divergences from a northern norm, but the northern varieties (e.g. Friulian) diverge even more from the standard (Tuscan) language—as far as I can tell, anyway.

I've never been to Spain, or Greece but I don't think of Spaniards, Greeks and southern italians as white. They're more like asians to me (as in middle east) which I find very attractive, whereas the Italians of the north are definitely white. I have cousins who are very blonde, with blue or green eyes, pale skin and lanky, that's why I say they might have a point. Nothing "racist" about that

R208: It's not nyet kulturni.

It's nyekulturni. No t after the e, and it's one word.

R211, you’re super strange then

R208 R212 You're both WRONG! It's нет культуры.

R214: Your phrase means "no culture."

The other poster seems to have meant his statement adjectivally: "uncultured." And that is, as I said, nyekulturni.

R203: I prefer this!

For years my family said we were “northern Italian”. We have dark hair and olive skin. I finally met someone in adulthood who thought I was Greek. I always wished I was British or something not what I was. Finally a family member did that online tracing and second hand I got the info: my Great Grandparents were from the north but were run out to the south so that’s where they began to breed their 11 (Duggar’s) kids and then they came to NY. 8 kids survived. They were not white northern Italian looking. My great grandfather had blue eyes but that’s the last of those traits. I have a penchant for taking what I want, being nasty and cruel when needed and sneaky to achieve my own goals. I’m definitely southern Naples type Italian. This new dangled be any gender and no stereotypes is a load of bad jizz! We have ancestral traits and stereotypes have bases. Blacks are loud in movie theatres, Asians are quiet and almost alien like in their demeanor, White Anglo American college boys are usually date rapist drunks who like to use inflict humiliation on their frat brothers by using their cocks (repressed homosexuality) and the list goes on. As for gender you’re either male or female. My friend born male but 1000% female, she finally transitioned the outside to match her fabulous inside is furious as are many of her trans community friends as to why they’ve spent their lives in the wrong “house” to finally be able to be the correct gender and now some drug addled former Disney douche with major mental issues (she clearly doesn’t take care of ) is screaming she’s “non gendered” FUCK OFF TO HELL DUMMY LOVATO she’s a fat girl who has a gorgeous voice , fucked up childhood and mental issues. She’s not into vagina, she’s not feeling the need to live her authentic male self she is an attention seeker under the guide of Scooter Braun (another thread on this cunt) She will overdose again , she does like cock and she wishes she had Selena’s body, Taylor’s class and respect and Miley’s confidence. Oh and she was definitely sexually abused as a kid. Her mother is a hoe. Sister morbidly obese , there’s many signs of childhood abuse.

R212 - Obliged for the spelling correction. I don't speak Russian, obviously, but was doing my best phonetically.

OP is the same fucking racist bigot who has an obsession with southern Europeans.

I keep asking him to tell me what Queen Letizia of Spain looks like or Marcello Mastroianni but of course he never replies.

"white" is a ridiculous word. Stating that there is no Caucasoid DNA in Greeks, Italians, and Spaniards is an absurdity. You can find wide ranges of colours, hair and eye, heights, nose shapes, lips, etc., all over all those countries.

Here is a photograph of Francisco Rivera ("Paquirri")ne of Spain's most legendary bullfighters, gored to death in the ring at Pozoblanco some thirty years ago.

Here he is with his first wife, daughter of another legendary bullfighting family. Fucking look at them.

Yeah, Carmen Odonez was black and so was Paquirri. Right.

They were, by the way, two of the most stunningly beautiful people I have ever seen on a magazine cover (full disclosure: I have been reading HOLA for 30 years, too).

R217- You have verbal DIARRHEA.

I don't have time to read all this right now so maybe someone already said this. But I have something to say.

Part of the reason people have a problem with Italian Americans is because a lot of them are really racist towards blacks. I married into an Italian American family and I have said the words "white trash" and walked out of the room. I know not all Italian Americans are racist, but a lot of them are. There are a lot of blacks and a lot of Italians on the the East coast of the United States, and as a lot of you have mentioned upthread, people have a tendency to want to feel superior to other groups. There are a lot of great things about Italians, but because they do tend to be racist, sometimes others might want to knock them down a peg. Like, "you think you're better than others but you're the trash of your original country."

R220 Oh please. The US is filled with all white enclaves, towns, neighborhoods, summer resorts and gated communities that keep out blacks....no matter how "liberal" they say they are.

Italians are really one of the few white ethnic groups that stayed in city neighborhoods. Other whites ran for the hills after the 1964 civil rights act.

ALSO: Italians-Americans weren't slave owners. Didn't create Jim Crow laws and red lining.

R220- The Irish especially in Boston were EXTREMELY racist.

[quote] OP is the same fucking racist bigot who has an obsession with southern Europeans. I keep asking him to tell me what Queen Letizia of Spain looks like or Marcello Mastroianni but of course he never replies.

WHAT?? that never happened except in your mind

There are a lot of great things about SICILIANS but because they do tend to be racist, sometimes others might want to knock them down a peg. Like, "you think you're better than others but you're the trash of your original country."

corrected that for you honey, there aren't any "italians " in the US, just southern trash italian adjacent

Ordonez, not Ordonez

R218

R223 - Please. You're the same person opening the same threads on Italians not being white all the time. I brought up Letizia and many other Spaniards and Italians on all those threads pointing - you're the same person who kept insisting Antonio Banderas was a person of colour simply by virtue or being Spanish.

R224 has never been to the glorious island of Sicily. Has never been to Italy at all. Doesn't even have a passport.

R224 I dare you to tell us where YOU live.

Sicily:

I forgot to say why I got so mad and said the white trash thing. They were sitting around on Christmas Eve and trashing our Senator, Cory Booker. Booker is one of the most decent, smart, fabulous people in the world. I don't know what they were even saying because it's hard to find a reason to trash him. I think maybe they were saying he didn't do a great job in Newark.

I never used to use the white trash term, because I thought it was racist. Sort of assuming everybody else is trash, but only some whites. I don't know. Then I learned the mean power of the term, because so many whites are afraid of being called trash.

R229 we don't care sweetie

R226 I never started a thread like this one before, and in all the years I posted on DL, I've never mentioned Banderas. Ever. Until your post, I even had forgotten he existed. Last time I thought of him was years ago, in a video Almodovar put on line with madonna being a cunt to his wife. Take your meds lady

R216 long hair on a pretty boy's head are a boner killer to me. Longer hair are only acceptable on a ubermasculine bearded muscle bear like so

People still arguing over 18th century concepts of "race" (which scientifically doesn't exist) is so depressing.

Exactly R233 there is only one human race on earth. What we're discussing here, or trying to discuss, is the validity of lumping together ethnic groups who don't share anything of significance, not even a language , into one country, Have the poorest, dumbest trash emigrate en masse to Turtle Island, and then see the americans refer to this sub group as "italians", whereas real italians couldn't be more different. When I see "italians" in an american movie, it makes me sick. The godfather makes me sick. I have memories of visiting my family as a teenager in Firenze, Roma, Peruggia. The elegance, the refinement, the exquisite altezza of this thousand year-old culture is completely lost to the americans. It's humiliating and unfair.

I have Italian friends who get very distressed at the portrayal of the mafia in media, particularly when there's a kind of glorification of them, because they say the mafia are horrific criminals who commit the kinds of crimes that keep you awake at night, and shouldn't be viewed in any other way.

Nice slippage there, OP, between vaunting an enlightened view of humanity and then calling southern Italian immigrants the "poorest, dumbest trash" who aren't "real italians."

R236 well i'm sorry they aren't, they just aren't. and yes R235, that's also a big issue. Glorifying these swines is wrong.

Enrico Ravenna is half Italian, half Isreali

*Israeli

R236 please try to understand my family's POV. Just imagine that instead of crossing the US border, millions of the poorest, most violent mexicans , the ones that live off prostitution/drugs/raping and dismembering foreign students for black magic purposes, emigrate to Europe, and become culturally known there as "the americans" , excuding any other representation. How would you feel? and then you, R236, try to explain that, even though they are technically "americans", they are not representative of all americans, and are not even really the same people as you, and everyone in Europe jumps at your throat, calling you racist and white supremacist and fascist. Again, how would you feel ?

OP, I've known many Mexican-Americans who are great people, and I've known many southern Italians from Italy and Americans of southern Italian and Sicilian ancestry who are great people, including some of my closest friends. Don't characterize everyone from either group by a caricature of their lowest members. You show yourself a common bigot because you do so.

I am not saying THEY ARE NOT NICE. I'm saying the " italian americans" they're not really Italians .as opposed to the lombards, the Tuscans, the Romans, why can't you understand ???

What about us?

My sister-in-law's ancestors are from Sardinia. How does it fit in with all this? As Northern or Southern Italian?

80 percent of the posters on here haven't even set foot in Italy.

I doubt 80 percent have said they gad.

[quote] specially Tunisia and Liberia

R190, is Liberia near Minamar?

R244 Sardinia is like Corsica, it's just randomely attached to a country. could've been France too. no one dispute them because they're a dead weight

I'm currently in northern Italy in the Piemonte area. I've been galavanting around the Ligurian coast for the past few weeks, from Nice to Portofino.

I won't bother with vile race or appearance comments. But I can speak to the northern atmosphere. I've only been as far south in Italy as Herculaneum, but I'll echo what someone above said — people here tend to respect the "work" of the working class across social divides. This makes for communities that feel alive and interconnected, whether a small seasonal town or a large metro like Turin. I've found that the north seems to exhibit a confidence that is free from the vise of tourism or the international stereotype of Italian culture.

Last thing I'll say to all of Italy's credit: they have their COVID and vaccination house in order, unlike any other country in the world.

Prince Emanuele Filiberto, grandson of the last king of italy . Does he look similar to deniro/pesci/devito/pacino to you ? really can't you see the difference ?

[quote]I am not saying THEY ARE NOT NICE. I'm saying the " italian americans" they're not really Italians .as opposed to the lombards, the Tuscans, the Romans, why can't you understand ???

Well, yes you are saying southern Italians are "not nice," since above you call them "the poorest, dumbest trash" among other disparaging comments. As for them not being real Italians, what exactly does the Italian peninsula mean to you? If someone comes from anywhere on it, they're Italian. Historically, of course, northern Italy was only integrated politically with the rest of Italy and the south in the 40s BC. It had a major Gaulish admixture, whereas the south had a major Greek admixture from the Greek colonies there. Since then there have been other groups moving in, which may explain the differences in appearance that you seem obsessed by. But you might as well express these differences by saying (equally stupidly) that the northerners aren't "real Italians" because they obviously descend from Celtic and Germanic interlopers.

But at this point I think the combination of your show of obtuseness and bad punctuation reveals you to be a troll.

[quote] Prince Emanuele Filiberto

I used to have a crush on him when he was a kid (I’m a few years younger than him).

R251, the immigrants when they're not prrsecuted for political, religious reasons, usually are the poorest, dumbest trash..And many posters here have recalled that italy was unified less than 150 years ago. 1) you're a fish, a frau, a dumb cunt 2) you're stupid

[quote]I am not saying THEY ARE NOT NICE. I'm saying the " italian americans" they're not really Italians .as opposed to the lombards, the Tuscans, the Romans, why can't you understand ???

You don't speak Italian.

You know nothing about modern day Italy.

FYI Italians are immensely proud of what Italian Americans have achieved.

There are Italian Americans in the arts, culture, business, academia that are absolute heroes in Italy.

So please stop your silly, uneducated, bone headed, know-nothing rants.

Northern Europeans (even Northern Italians) regard Southern Europeans as white.

The racial question only seems to arise when people from the US contribute to the debate.

We find it a very strange assumption? It never crosses our mind that they aren't white.

I knew a Neapolitan who considered himself not white, but he was living in the US and was probably expressing himself in American terms. He meant he identified as southern and ethnically (racially?) different from Northern Italians and other Northerners.

Btw some of my close friends descended from s. Italian and Sicilian immigrants are—gasp!—blonde and blue-eyed! So generalizations only go so far, including those being promulgated on this thread.

OP....here are some Italian Americans of Southern Italian and Sicilian ancestry. This is only a partial stater list.

Antonin Scalia, Joe DiMaggio, Lee Iacocca, Geraldine Ferraro, architects Rosario Candela, Ricardo Scofidio, Lawrence Scarpa, artist Frank Stella, fashion photographer Francesco Scavullo, Richard Grasso former chairman and CEO of the New York Stock Exchange, Samuel J. Palmisano chairman and CEO of IBM, Jerry Perenchio, former Chairman and CEO of Univision, Robert Nardelli, former chairman and CEO of Home Depot and Chrysler, Angelo Mozilo, founder and CEO of Countrywide Financial, Nick Donofrio, Executive Vice President of Innovation and Technology at the IBM Corporation, Gil Amelio, former CEO of National Semiconductor and Apple, Giorgio DeLuca, founder of Dean & DeLuca, Joe Gebbia co-founder of Airbnb, Tom Golisano billionaire founder of Paychex, former owner of the Buffalo Sabres, three-time candidate for Governor of New York, Kenneth Langone billionaire founder of The Home Depot, Almerindo Portfolio President of Bank of Sicily (USA), and Treasurer of New York City, Leandro Rizzuto chairman and co-founder of Conair Corporation...

So tell us again....what were you saying about them? They're not REAL Italians?

R258- You forgot to mention Roseanne Roseannadanna

R244, the capital of the Kingdom of Sardinia was Turin. It was in the Northern Italian sphere of influence, but had its own unique identity and had for centuries been under Spanish control.

R258 no they're not, and they're all mafia. R254 I do speak italian, and my family live there, I can tell you that they loath people like Sinatra, and call him "the faggot"

R261, who are your family? The Borgias? They seem horrid as do you.

OP is definitely a bigoted troll at almost the Miss Helen Bedd level. He claims all southern Italians are mafia, that they're all trash, that they're not real Italians. He implies that they're uglier than northern Italians. He approvingly quotes his snobby relatives' homophobic slur against Frank Sinatra, of all people. He's attracting fellow bigots with rhetoric right out of a 1920s nativist tract. Please join me in just depriving him of any further oxygen.

R262 On my grandfather's side, they received an honour recognizing their contribution in the 16th century and were the rulers of their community, and on my grandmother's side they're a very important aristocratic family that I obviously won't name here, we're talking royal families ties and popes.

R263 "il finocchio", that's what they call Sinatra, "il finocchio"

I played soccer with Italian American boys in HS. One boy's origin was Bari. Oh he was FINE. Beautiful pale face, tall, skinny, ripped, strong legs, and he had the most beautiful cock I have ever seen to this day and I was a slut for decades. He also had magnificent low hanging nuts. I remember his cock better than some of my subsequent boyfriends. Because his locker was above mine and he stood on the bench naked with his junk in my face for 3 years. I'm sure he did it on purpose. He was charming and loved to show off all his assets. He was my forbidden fruit. Maybe my inability to realise I could have and enjoy sex with another boy made him more attractive but no., he was voted *best looking" in our class!

R266 pictures of him naked, or it never happened

Italian men have huge dicks and really know how to fuck.

r266 I worked with someone from Bari. Beautiful pale skin, fine bone structure, and dark brown hair in ringlets - he looked like a faun

The boy from Bari didn't have a "HUGE" dick. It was big, and beautiful. I didn't see it hard. The jock in my HS with the biggest dick was Irish American - so much for the Irish Curse. He would sport semis in the showers on the regular. I had no idea cocks could be so big. Worse, he was chummy and protective of me because he dated my sister. Who apparently was into size, just like her little closeted gay brother.

Was it weird for you to see the dick that was pounding your sister's snatch?

R271 no because she had already been fucked by the entire football team, most of the students on the campus, and amost all the patrons at our local swimming pool, all of whom I'seen naked

OMG your sister was a WHORE!

R273 yes, and I sure followed in her footsteps

R87 DeNiro is one fourth Italian. One Fourth Irish, one fourth German and the rest is English and Dutch.

DeNiro is one fourth SICILIAN

CORRECTED THAT FOR YOU honey. Sicily is not really Italy

R276 You really must inform the Italians of that.

R277 they know, Mr fake

R217 We agree. Brain addled and drug fueled. One of the most bizarre posts in the history of The DL.

[quote]they know, Mr fake

Dear, unlike you I speak the language fluently. Lived there for over 3 decades.

So give something to prove your point. Something from the Italian media. An article, editorial.

Show us how the Italians shun Sicily andd the Sicilians.

Oh, and BTW, since hundreds of thousands of Sicilians have emigrated throughout Italy over the decades...how are they considered? And all the marriages between north and south...the families formed. Their children?

You're so stupid, you somehow think Italians from the various regions are still "pure". It's not the 1800s anymore.

for you R280 you moron

R281, just how dumb do you have to be to think that a reference to the League of the North answers R280's points? Care to walk us through this logic?

R282 yes dummy, they demand separation from the south

Curiously, R280 wrote this on a thread about DeSantis:

[quote]Are we surprised? He’s Italian. Most of them are assholes.

"I agree. Nancy Pelosi especially."

So here he's saying he lived in Italy for decades, and approves of how the Italians accept the Sicilians, but there he agrees that most Italians are assholes. Do we have a Sicilian separatist in our midst to match the loony northern separatist OP?

R284 thank ypu for exposing that human dumpster

LOL. Proof the idiot knows nothing about the country.

The Northern League does not exist anymore. It is now the Lega. And it is a pan Italian party.

Furthermore: the comment about Pelosi was sarcasm, making a point that generalizations work both ways.

Gee....idiot at R281. What is Salvini doing in Sicily?

Salvini with his SICILIA sweatshirt

Salvini in Catania

Funny how R283 has gone silent.

R290 I was just silently judging you

The best Italian (American) ass I've fucked was a guy named Dante. Italians do have nice holes.

R292 = Olivia de Havilland

[quote] Growing up in New York and learning Italian from my friends, had no idea they didn't speak correct Italian.

Correct Italian? The correct Italian think, I believe, was Mussolini’s doing.

Uh, Southern Italians in the US are not all from Sicilian. lol. Your family is made up of dingbats and racists, OP. They used monkey because Sicilians have African ties. How lovely.

Italians are know for having big butts.

[quote] DeNiro is one fourth Italian. One Fourth Irish, one fourth German and the rest is English and Dutch.

However, unless he takes a DNA, we’ll never know much much of each he inherited. He could be heavily Italian. Everyone is different. One sibling or family member could be more of an ethnicity than the other.

[quote] Prince Emanuele Filiberto, grandson of the last king of italy . Does he look similar to deniro/pesci/devito/pacino to you ? really can't you see the difference ?

You really don’t know any Italians. I know multiple Italian-American men who look like him. You have this cartoonish idea of what an entire population looks like. Turn off your tv and get a life.

Italians (in Italy) have extremely high IQs and a history and culture that is envied. A huge portion of Italian-Americans do visit Italy and still have family there.

[quote] Southern Italians who populate much of the United States are now acting all high-and-mighty, looking down on blacks and hispanics, thinking they're sooooo much better.

Trust me, they’re not…

Geneticists: is R297 correct in asserting that one can inherit more than 25% of one's DNA from a single grandparent?

The House of Savoy was around for over 900 years and intermarried with nobility from across Europe. Their looks can hardly be taken to represent an "Italian" look.

Nonsense, R302, the House of Savoy embodies the Northern Italian beauty of which OP rightly boasts.

R303, Victor Emmanuel II, the first King of Italy (House of Savoy), was the son of Maria Theresa of Austria, great-grandaughter of Holy Roman Emperor Francis I and Empress Maria Theresa, and grand-niece of Marie Antoinette. Those Savoys were not wholly Italian.

None of the European royal houses are 100% anything, they're all of mixed ethnicity from the intermarrying.

So are southern italians white?

[quote]Correct Italian? The correct Italian think, I believe, was Mussolini’s doing.

*sigh* The stupidity on this thread is overwhelming.

R307 wh've established that the sicilians who emigrated in the US were not very bright...

R306 What a ridiculous article.

First of all, no European is 100% anything. No one. And many some African DNA. Italians have virtually no sub-saharan DNA and that includes southern Italy and Sicily.

No, your DNA mix is expressed differently. Do you look exactly like everyone of your siblings? It gets mixed.

[quote] Correct Italian? The correct Italian think, I believe, was Mussolini’s dong.

Tell us more about his dong!

No, but perhaps I should make traveling there a priority if the dudes look like the pic you posted, OP.

R312 you mean like this ? ITALIAN men (= north of napoli ) are generally consired the most beautiful men in the world

[quote] ITALIAN men (= north of napoli )

Ciao dalla Sicilia!

How italians became white

sorry, "white"

That article...written by a black author BTW... is absurd. Even just the title alone: Italians did not come white. They are white.

^ did not become white.

[quote] Italians did not become white They are white.

apparently you didn't get the memo

R319 Italian's don't need a memo from Americans of all people..

[quote]That article...written by a black author BTW... is absurd. Even just the title alone: Italians did not come white. They are white.

Welcome to the world of the New York Times!

Again, there are dark and swarthy Europeans of many nationalities. Even German. The Welsh tend to have a high percentage of dark-colored people. Yet nobody would ever think they are anything but white. The Italian "not white" thing is so bizarre. They run the gamut of coloring just like most other Europeans

This is Tom Cullen, who is of 100% English/Welsh ethnicity, yet he could pass for Mediterranean.

[quote]Welcome to the world of the New York Times!

Exactly.

If it were an Italian writing about black people in the NYTimes there would be outrage.

But we're supposed to accept this bozo with an agenda.

Northern Italians are indeed gorgeous.

the southern people from Sicily/calabria/puglie who claim they're italians can be easy on the eye too. Black men can be incredibly gorgeous

r325 they are Italians. What else would they be?

sicilians as in Kingdom of Sicily

What's with people here claiming the name "Italy" for northern Italy and not southern? The name was originally used for southern Italy long before it was used for the north. The ancient Greek colonies in the south were in Italy; the north was Cisalpine Gaul; just south of that was Etruria. Why do the northerners get to take that name away?

Anyway, when most people around the world think of "Italy" they think of the warm south, orange trees, etc. rather than of the risotto-eating Alps.

What is your inane point, R327? That Italy doesn't include the former Kingdom of Sicily? The regions in the north weren't called "Italy" either back then—except as a geographical term, which applies equally well to the South.

Italia in Roman times

My point is most people think of the italians as black , and the northern italians are actually white, so they should have distinct names, and since the south contribution = corruption and organised crime and later in the USA, vulgarity and mafia, they should leave the name "Italy " to the North ( Da Vinci, Dante, the renaissance , and so on and so forth) and assume a more realistic name

[quote]My point is most people think of the italians as black

Are you nuts?

R332 did you even read the thread ?

[quote]My point is most people think of the italians as black ,

You are insane

am I ?

[quote] Southern Italians were considered “black” in the South and were subjected to the Jim Crow laws of segregation. They weren’t allowed to marry “whites.” It was difficult, damn near impossible. They were designated as “black” on census forms if they lived in the South and that is because the majority of them were dark-skinned Sicilians.

R334 maybe you're just misinformed

Curse this troll of an OP for foisting this intra-Italian racist crap on us.

I found a video of R337. She's the half italian lady

I LOVE the Southern Italian look - brown skin, thick black hair, especially when that hair is slicked back. I'll take them any day over the white Northerners.

like this ?

or like this ?

Definitely like R340!

Or these...

italian couple fucks on cam

THE ITALIANS Alex Marte and Francesco D'Macho

[quote] maybe you're just misinformed

Who cares what Americans 100 years ago in the Southern United States thought about anything or anybody.

many americans TODAY think that italians are black

Americans are obsessed with concepts of race and categorising everyone, it seems. I don't mean others don't do this too, because clearly they do, but this particular obsession with race seems very American (ie categorising people down to the nth degree). Even among so-called 'anti-racists'.

[quote]many americans TODAY think that italians are black

Uh...right...yes...uh...ok.

R313, that dude’s not what you posted at your OP pic.

Blondes are 100% Not my type, unless they’ve got the thing going on with the har, skin tone and eyes going on that’s just “so”, or if they look like a young Dolph Lundgren, who looked like a Norwegian monster hiding in the forest.

But homie at R313 isn’t doing it.

I’m into this, here: 👇🏽

Cheekbones over all else.

it's Kim , only 20 years younger

what's wron g with being black ? nothing! black is beautiful = italian diver Francesco Dell'uomo

R352 I wouldn't regard him as black and I doubt any other European would?

Some of you are so fucking stupid you're not aware of the fact that there are (as in the US) bi-racial people in Italy. I have a friend there who is It Eritrean and Tuscan. Another who is Chinese and Tuscan.

[quote]many americans TODAY think that italians are black

No, they don't.

and yet...they do

r356 are you even American? Americans don't think of Italians as "black," that's ridiculous.

R354 but would you consider them bi-racial if they were Sicilian-Eritrean ? honest answer = no. Case in point

As has been said before, DNA testing has shown very little African admixture in Italians, French or Spanish. What little there is comes from North Africa and not Sub-Saharan Africa.

R357 are YOU american ? did you even read the 10+ articles about italian emigration in the US ? they've always been considered black

r360 you are full of shit and that article is heavily skewed to the narrative of the author. I've lived in an area with a large Italian-American population my entire life and nobody has ever considered them "black." Italians in New England are indistinguishable from any other white ethnic group in the 21st Century. Everybody is just "white people" now, and have been for many years.

Alicia Keys - real name Alicia Augello

Alicia Keys is half black, half Italian

[quote] Everybody is just "white people"

R361 smug and unapologetically racist

R363 Alicia Keys is all black then

r364 whites, no matter what their individual ethnic background, are just "white people" in the US in the 21st Century. Where have you been?

I swear some DLers are stuck in 1965.

R366 but Italians are black though

Sorry r367. No they are not, and nobody except you thinks so.

R368 millions of americans, dutch, germans, swedes, norwegians, danes ,english, ITALIANS themselves AND ellis Islands' records say otherwise

r369 you are unhinged and just completely wrong.

you guys screaming racism at the very mention of italians being black are ridiculous, you can't even...what's wrong with you ? is being black a lesser position in humanity for you ?

I don't know why people keep saying that Ellis Island records classify Italians as "black". I've looked at hundreds of them and they don't - they do specify north or south Italian, but that's it.

I will try to explain how white Europeans group ethnicity.

Black people have Sub-Saharan African ethnicity (obviously excluding later white immigrants)

Arabs are from North Africa, Asia Minor and The Middle East.

People from the Indian Sub-Continent are Indian, Pakistani, Bangladeshi or Nepalese.

The Indigenous Australians are Aboriginal

The Indigenous New Zealand people are Maori.

Europeans are varying shades of white, after a few months in Greece I'm darker than most Italians despite my almost wholly Irish ancestry.

[quote]I don't know why people keep saying that Ellis Island records classify Italians as "black". I've looked at hundreds of them and they don't - they do specify north or south Italian, but that's it.

It's bullshit, no matter what the fool who wrote the article thinks. Do you really think if Italians were considered "black" by Americans in the 19th and early 20th Centuries they would've been allowed to immigrate to the US? Think again.

Because it's wholly inaccurate r371.

[quote] Arabs are from North Africa

no they're not. proof that you know nothing. The indigenous people of North Africa are the berberes, who , unlike south italians, are white, generally with green eyes. The Arabs invaded them centuries ago, and they are from the arabic peninsula

R374 another proof, as if 10 srious articles aren't enough in the face of your denial and racism

[quote] Italians were “not quite white” and subject to a racial prejudice only

Irish and Italians were once barred from things as were Black people. That doesn't make them Black, it means they suffered a similar discrimination in access to certain services.

r377 read r378. Your grasp of history is woefully ignorant. Italians were discriminated against but not because they were considered "black."

Same with the Irish. In fact the Irish were arguably the most despised immigrant group in American history, worse than Italians and Jews. They were treated like animals.

r376 you clearly know nothing about North Africans. They are basically the same as Arabs. Some have light eyes, but that's rare.

So Southern Italians are not white but North Africans are, r376. JFC you are a complete imbecile.

Italians are neither WHITE white nor BLACK black.

^You forgot to preface that statement with a loud, angry: "Here's the thing!", Whoopi ;)

OK can we all agree that Italians are white-adjacent then, and everybody is happy ?

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

more info for on the historical blackness of italians

The ignorance and stupidity on display in this thread is proof that critical race theory has never been and could never be taught to the vast majority of American idiot youth.

and again (and again and again)

[quote] But when Italians poured into America in the late 1800s and early 1900s, they were not considered white upon arrival.

unfortunately for the SJWs and milennials, you can't re-write history to accomodate your wishes

R285 what's with your tom cullen , he's white and he looks white

[quote]OK can we all agree that Italians are white-adjacent then, and everybody is happy ?

Why? Why do we have to still cling to these outdated notions of race that aren't based in any scientific fact? Can't we move past that already? What's with this obsessive need to categorise people like this?

R381 I am sorry that you're so racist, you're obviously of southern italian descent and wish you weren't black, but the Berberes are white, and much whiter than the southern italians

I know a stunning Kabyle man with a 10 inch cock! Take, that, Italy!

R390 it's just strange and disturbing that southern italians are desperate to be associated with northern Italians they have nothing in common with, and who despise them, and would rather die than be considered black, when other black ethnic groups from Africa would embrace them

I just feel that black people should be more supportive with one another, wether they're moors or italians

The fellow writing the Italians=black (see post R393) stuff is trolling you all. Either that or he really does suffer from low IQ.

So let's just agree with him and move on.

Anyway, favorite black performer of all time was Perry Como.

Any one else a fan?

"my favorite"

Yeah, I think he's trolling too. Actually at R394 he made me laugh, because I realised he's just trying to get a rise out of everyone.

I just think it's very sad that southern italians descendants still think the worse thing they can be called is black, and scream "everybody's white in long island" like some posters here, just because some of them can pass

R376 The Berbers (Imazighen) haven't existed as a nation for 1,300 years. The only Country with an alleged significant population is Morocco and that bloodline in debatable.

There is only so far back in history you can go until we all emanate from Africa, it eventually becomes nonsense.

I think that my assertions in R373 represent current attitudes and the past 1,000 years of history.

Sicilians Patti Lupone and Bernadette Peters Lazzara are the sassy black women that make Broadway theatre the magical place it is.

I'm sure patti lupone wouldn't take grand offense at being called black

Patti Lupone is a black goddess!

So many southern Italians moved north. It’s honestly difficult to tell the difference nowadays.

[quote] I am sorry that you're so racist, you're obviously of southern italian descent and wish you weren't black, but the Berberes are white, and much whiter than the southern italians

You're wrong on all counts, and you have a bizarre fixation on Italians as non-white and North Africans as white which is just odd.

Madonna represents the modern black woman.

Or is it Gaga?

R347 A black American who is desperate for Italy, Greece and the Mediterranean to be considered African so they cling to a superior culture.

Wow the shit stirring trolls on this thread. And some of you idiots let them get to you.

I'm not sure that Americans get that Europe is connected to North Africa by land via Asia Minor (Turkey) and is also only 11 miles from Spain, you could swim it on a good day.

After a 1300+ years of Arab dominance The Berber people are visually almost indistinguishable from other Arab nations, lots of Turkish people also have green/blue eyes and slightly lighter skins. As do some Afghani people.

Current North Africans whether indigenous or not are a different race to Sub-Saharan Africans.

R276 Wrong. Let me correct you. DeNiro's great grandparents are from Molise in Southern Italy. The next time you post try posting the truth instead of complete bullshit.

R405, the Ciccone come from Pacentro in Abruzzo, which is culturally part of the Mezzogiorno, but is really in central Italy.

The Germanotta clan come from Naso in Messina, which makes Lady Gaga a true Sicilianu.

Yeah, if Robert DeNiro isn't black, why did he have to marry a black woman?

Sinatra , arguably the most famous black man from Europe, always surrounded himself with other blacks from Africa, his butler, Sammy Davis Jr, and Mia Farrow has a well known passion for Africa and black communities, so it makes sense as well

gangsta'

I’m black and I definitely don’t want Italians to be black. I don’t consider them black…

I'm half Italian and a quarter corsican. I consider myself black

R410 Madonna is half French Canadian and Gaga is part French Canadian. They are distant cousins through the French Canadian part of their families. Neither one is a true Italian or Sicilian.

Italians aren't Blacks, FGS.

R367 is stupider than a MAGAt.

r416 they're both half Italian.

The North is different in culture to the South.

R416 But of course they identify as Italian. As most people do who are only part.

He looks old enough to be my father...

Looked him up. He [italic]is[/italic] old enough to be my father. The crows feet and grey beard gave him away. What were we talking about again?

And screw you OP, these are the best Italians right here:

The "Italians aren't white" troll has obviously never been to Italy. I also suspect he's an eldergay from Flyoverville who is still clinging to the petty and ignorant stereotypes from mid-century America. He probably thinks all Polish are stupid and all Irish are drunks who have ten kids.

We made a brief excursion to Valle d'Aosta, while visiting Geneva, Valais, and Haute-Savoie. The people looked just like the Genevois, Valaisans, and Savoyards on the other side of the Graian Alps. And they speak Valdôtain.

[quote] And they speak Valdôtain.

Is that there like Eye-tal-ain?

black black black black black black black boyyyyyyyz

I spent a month in northern Italy. The Northern Italians look the same as white Anglo Saxon Americans. They did not come to US because why would they. Ir have dark hair and fair skin and people would ask me for directions. The Southern Italians came over to US for jobs.

Italian boys are delicious, Chocolate flavored love, Licorice lips like candy, Keep my cocoa handy ! I have such a sweet tooth When it comes to love. Italian boys are delicious, Mocha mousse, hot fudge, Maple syrup plenty, Hot brown sugar daddies, They are my desert trays When it comes to love. Once I tried a diet Of quiet, rest, no sweets, But I went nearly crazy, And I went nearly crazy, Because I really craved for My chocolate-flavored treats, Oh! Italian are nutritious, Italian boys fill me up ! Italian boys are so damn yummy, They satisfy my tummy ! Italian boys are delicious, Raisins in the sun, Italian Italian Italian Italian Italian boys!

Not white, but black

True, check this video and the comment section the Italians seems to have a disdain on Italian Americans.

Italians vs Italian americans pt 2

I can't post a TikTok video on DL (a good thing), but you might enjoy matte_paoli26. He's a music student from Tuscany studying in New York. He's cute and so are his TikToks.

R433 but is he white ?

Favorite northern Italian cutie meets favorite composer.

R427 Almost as black Prince Carl Philip of Sweden

^ as Prince Carl Philip of Sweden

Prince Carl Philip is not italian =not black

Prince Carl Philip is Brazilian = totally black.

R439, I didn't know that ! cool ! Black as an Italian, as they say

Sounds like someone here would LOVE to be Italian...

I AM italian R441 smartass. 3 italian grandparents

Not surprising that Italians have disdain for Italian Americans who are generally kind of trashy. I've worked with Africans who don't have a lot of respect for African Americans.

This thread is ridiculous and who is the fucking moron saying Italians are 'Black"?

[quote] who is the fucking moron saying Italians are 'Black" ?

the world

No they aren't R445.

yes they are R446, read the thread, tons of articles and historical FACTS

I think we've gotten a little confused here. OP's position isn't that Italians are black; his ludicrous assertion is that only northern Italians are real Italians, and that southern Italians (and Sicilans) are black, ugly, and trashy,

They not black BECAUSE they ugly and trashy, they Black AND ugly and trashy. My question was ARE WE SURE THAT NORTHERN ITALIANS ARE BLACK TOO ?, because some family members don't think so

[quote] I've worked with Africans who don't have a lot of respect for African Americans.

Africans HATE African Americans, they say all the same things that racist white people say about them.

There are swarthy French, Germans, English, Welsh, etc. but nobody thinks they're anything but white. It's odd that dark hair and dark eyes make some people think "not white!" Very odd.

No R447. You're a moron and a troll.

Tons of French and oddly enough Welsh people have dark coloring.

R452 no, YOU are

R450 most of the Africans I worked with were from Ghana and were very well educated and well spoken. They didn't respect most AA's because they squandered the opportunities for getting educated and acted like low class hoodrats. The educated ones like Obama were respected but Jay-Zs and Kanyes? No.

LOL, most Italians don't have blond hair and blue eyes, even in Northern Italy. Not that it matters because those things aren't automatically better except according to racists

[quote][R452] no, YOU are

Fascinatingly childish and dumb remark. "I know you are but what am I, neener neener" level of maturity going on with you.

Carry on you fucking moronic troll.

R455 that's fairly common to black communities both in Africa and Europe then. My italian (from Abruzzo) grandfather LOATHED IA like Sinatra

R457 Carry on you fucking moronic troll. also, learn to use datalounge [[[]]]]]

Oh, R459. I've been here since 1995 so I am familiar, you racist shit-stirring troll.

since 1995 and you still don't know how to quote ? wow, that's a smart one! are you an Italian American ?

The OP is a low IQ troll.

He's never been to Italy. Knows nothing.

I loved when he was telling us about the Lega Nord....

LOL.

Some gems from R59's past rantings.

[quote]OMG R155 you are sooooo stupid. most gays hate themselves, especially you. You are homophobic you hate trans people. You hate muslims, you want to kill them all. "religion kills". OMG. you are the stupidest poster on DL ever. and you must be so old, fat and ugly...sad, or hilarious I don't know

[quote]you're a lez trapped in a male body who forces herself to be a whiny bottom because you are so homophobic you can't even admit your attraction to women, and are afraid to be who you are. Pathetic

You can tell he's low IQ from his shitty grammar.

R463 is a frau

I would suggest FFing this thread and blocking OP. It is fucking ridiculous, childish, uneducated and most of all trolling for attention. Judging from its past comments it's not even American despite claiming to be.

I would suggest F&Fing and blocking R466 the fucking MAGA frau

R429, Did you misunderstand the lyrics?

[quote]R11 there is no way she wins this. Stephen was a hero to expose her, and now she's just a ridicule. No company willever hire her again. Good riddance

Ah, yes, a staggering intellect OP/troll has. "now she's just a ridicule"? 🤣

R9 Terence Hill AKA Mario Girotti is half German He lived in Germany during World War Two and is a survivor of the bombing of Dresden.