RuPaul's Drag Race: General/Off Season Discussion #2

SILKY !!!!!!!!!!!!!! Tell the rest of the queens to stop telling Mayhem she a fucking amazing singer !!!!!!! Mayhem's SUCKS !!!!! All Mayhem does on her Instagram is sing and all her enablers jumping in a say, " amazing!" IT'S NOT! She has a fucking TERRIBLE voice! Stop lying to her! Horrid voice! She needs to shut her delusional hole!

What a specific rant, [R393]. Mayhem is cute as a man.

So what if Mayhem is cute as a man? He's one of those ancient L.A. bar queens. Like Detox,Morgan, Raja and Delta. None of them are very talented but they rule their tiny piece of property. Hamburger fucking Marys. Really mean old bitches. Mayhem tried for 10 years to get on Drag Race and then we saw that she had nothing more to offer than a few good dresses. He's not talented and is indeed, a very terrible live singer. Don't do it.

He's cute and has nice skin. That doesn't mean we have to listen to him sing.

Detox lives in Chicago now.

I C&Ped the last few post from today on the 1st thread to start it off.

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[Quote] Like Detox,Morgan, Raja and Delta. None of them are very talented but they rule their tiny piece of property. Hamburger fucking Marys. Really mean old bitches.

Bingo.

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bump

It's Baaaaaack!

It could be funny but I'm betting not.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT

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A Cultural Moment.

Jaidynn is delish with Miley!

Jaymes Mansfield is doing some of the wigs on the Brady Bunch thing. I also LOVE Kit Harrington replied to her. Yum! Maybe he's into queens. Delish!

Jaymes just moved to Vegas and is now getting gigs with the other Vegas queens. Good for her. She's fab!

Symone doing some Tina.

[quote] I also LOVE Kit Harrington replied to her.

Lol, that was a fan account. He could still be into queens, tho.

Watched the Brady abortion. Why are they trying to make Sonique happen?

^ it was terrible.

I love Jaymes!

^ me too!

I just rewatched season 8 and I am now watching season 9.

Some things that stand out to me:

—Pearl annoyed me the first time around but this time I found her sensitive and endearing. Also, the infamous "Do I have something on my face?" faceoff *did* seem to "wake up Pearl!" and motivate her to perform better. And Pearl won that very week, so RuPaul didn't really seem to be victimizing Pearl as has become the popular lore.

—I never registered that Shae and Sasha Velour were friends but midway through the season, the two of them suddenly seem to become close and cling to one another. That changes the whole dynamic of the finale IMO, especially since Shae claimed on All Stars to have been traumatized by losing. You'd think she could have been happy for her friend.

—The first time I watched, Sasha was a real standout and a favorite for me, along with Trinity. This time I realize it's a very mixed bag throughout the season. There are a lot of standout performers and personalities besides them, including especially Shae, Peppermint (both of whom I liked the first go around but neither stood out to me as being as creative or visually striking as Sasha) and Valentina. And...that brings me to...

—Alexis Michelle. What happened to her? She made it far but hasn't resurfaced on All Stars and I don't think I've seen her in any of the YouTube recaps, etc. She was really good a lot of the time. Her Liza Minnelli impression was one of the best and funniest ever of Snatch Game, her Kris Jenner was memorable, even her bombing of the Michelle Visage roast covered in green is memorable. Did she retire? Does everyone hate her? She didn't seem hateable on the show.

—All these years, I have been watching on my old HGTV from 2010. It was 42" and an early version of HD. I never got rid of it because it worked fine and I don't like to dispose of electronics. Someone gave me a new 50" TV for my birthday and 👁👄👁 wow, I had no idea what I was missing on this show. You can see the makeup caked on top of contestants' stubble. You can see...Aja is not the only one with skin problems! It's really a whole other story goin' on here. Half the contestants look the same to me as they did before and half look like men with spackle on their rough faces.

sex-ooooooooooo!

Not fucking "sad". Pay your dues, you fucking losers.

Here is the link to the first thread, you useless OP.

Paywall you fucktard, r26. That's why this was started! DUH !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Really? I had no idea! Such rapier wit r27

If you are so fucking poor that you can't afford a couple of dollars a month, go fuck yourself.

R26 You appear to be the same subscriber who posted a link to this thread on the other thread ranting about people being too cheap to pay.

A lot of us have discussed this in threads dedicated to the topic, but here's my reason for not paying to subscribe: it's the content and the functioning of the site, not the cost.

I pay for many subscriptions of many types—newspapers, TV channels, magazines, apps. I don't pay for any subscription to any platform that hosts white supremacist content or other kinds of hatred that are rampant here, including hateful commentary about transgender people. Yes, I know you will defend that this content is not moderated. I don't share your point of view. I won't spend my money or associate my name with a website that will not moderate this kind of hate speech, even when I do seek out other discussions here. I can't do that on principle.

A lesser concern but nevertheless a concern is the functionality of the site. I regularly write responses and then hit reply only for the page to reload and my comment to disappear, for example. That's fine if I am not paying. If I were paying, that kind of glitch happening regularly would be enough to make me cancel my subscription.

Also, in order to subscribe, I'd need to give my name and credit card information to...who? The site is the opposite of transparent. The only administrator we know of lurks invisibly and operates like the wrathful YHWH of the Old Testament: there are some written site polities but they are rarely enforced and they don't seem to be enforced consistently or fairly. Otherwise, the administrators—whose names are unknown and who can't be reached—delete threads at will and do other things without explanation. The aforementioned hate speech threads and posters sometimes take over the site for many months at a time, usually during US elections, without any moderation at all, and then occasionally they are wiped out temporarily.

I would be happy to pay $2.99 per month or more for a site like this site IF it did not allow hate speech and if it functioned transparently and with fewer major tech glitches. Hell, I would pay $2.99 with the glitches if the hate speech were removed and administrators identified themselves even with annoying glitches. But when people here write about black people being animals, antisemitic shit, things about trans people that are exactly like what straight people used to say about gay people, I can't put my name and my money behind it. And that the site owners have prioritized allowing this content over growing paid subscribers tells me a lot about what they want this site to be. A lot of times it's fun bitchy gay content with occasional insight and illumination, but too often it reads like the comments section of Breitbart or Stormfront.

Such originality, r28. Take your own advise, douche cunt. And take your MEDS, hon.

My own "advise"? r30

Getting right on it you poor relation.

Alexis Michelle does not want to go back on DR - she got Birta level hate from Valentina's fans. She is doing that drag make over show on TLC With Throgy Bebe and JuJu.

R32 Thanks. I had no idea. She didn't seem hateful toward Valentina. I liked her. She was obnoxious in one ep in particular but otherwise seemed among the best of the contestants. Very polished and fairly witty (relative to many others).

Bravo for your post R29. I agree with every word. Thank you for stating it all so well.

I thank you as well r29.

I had forgotten that Deidre Hall posted on the Datalounge.

r33 Valentina's fans came for everyone. She got called out on the reunion for not stopping it. Shea said, "you could go on your instagram and aske then to stop it but you never did, you could go on twitter and stop it but you never did." Alexis got a lot of hate becasue she would blame her failings on others. She would make a shitty outfit then when called out about it complain no one told her it was shitty. Alexis does that show with JuJu, Bebe and Thorgy - she is just fine.

a moment for one of the 2 best performances on all stars

Beautiful Bimini. I think she's gonna rock the world when her book comes out. I see film parts for her too. She's different from any and all the rest.

I don't hate RuPaul like a lot of people do nowadays. I think he's creative and has a lot of gumption and resilience. I say that so I'm clear that what follows isn't meant to be condemning.

I reviewed his Wikipedia yesterday and was amazed how many projects he has done, many of which I don't remember.

RuPaul has put out a lot of albums. I have never bought them but of course I'm familiar with many songs because of Drag Race. I listened to extended clips of most yesterday and although it's not great music and his voice is a solid C, I give him big points for creative versatility. I was surprised to see that RuPaul writes all of his own music/lyrics, and more surprised that most of his albums have been produced and co-written by the profoundly mentally ill Lucian Piane. No wonder RuPaul has stood by him even after he called RuPaul an n*****. They must be very close given all the work they have done together.

It also occurred to me that RuPaul may have brilliantly licensed his songs to his own TV show in such a way as to pay him royalties every time a show re-airs. That alone would make him fabulously wealthy if he owns the publishing. All the international versions of Drag Race also feature his music, whether he hosts or not.

Many of us remember Drag U and AJ and the Queen, but I had forgotten a lot of his other one-and-done projects: Skin Wars (judge), Good Work (host), Gay for Play (host), The RuPaul Show (host). None got any footing. But I give him credit for continuing to plug along.

The awards thing is a curiosity. He spent a lot of time years ago on his podcast talking about why awards are meaningless and how people who get hung up on them need to do spiritual work, etc., and now he is regularly nominated for Emmys and proud as fuck about it. He has pointed out that he gets a lot of Emmy nominations, but still has never been nominated for a BET or NAACP award, which is a really interesting observation...

yummy!

Holy crap, I had no idea Naomi Smalls is 6'5" barefoot.

[italic]Drag Race Thailand[/italic] is coming back for a third season!

R39, Ru will never be nominated for an NAACP or BET award because the heterosexual black community is one of the most homophobic cultures in the world and have never, and will never be, allies to the gay community.

^ Fuck off you ancient white monster. Nobody would like you, from any culture.

Can someone explain body suits?

I've never seen a woman wearing what they call body suits on the show except as a bathing suit or maybe as a leotard for a gymnast.

And the judges constantly, constantly admonish contestants for wearing them.

And yet, contestants wear them as often as they wear anything else. Probably more often. Why??

I get that the garment may be useful for shaping the padding, etc., but why not put a dress over it if someone feels they have to wear a body suit?

I'm watching Season 10 right now and in the makeover episode, Monet X-Change (one of my favorites) put herself and her partner in bodysuits with skirts and then they both ripped off the skirt part on the runway—and no surprise, she ended up in the bottom.

Why does seemingly every contestant rely on these things for half their outfits, especially knowing that the judges hate them? Are they significantly cheaper to buy than dresses? Is it to save space in the luggage they bring? What's the deal?

R45 For the reasons you mentioned as well as they "work" a number of other ways. As body/waist cinchers, as tuck garments, as fake tit holders, etc. I hate them myself. They are lazy in my opinion and rarely look attractive. Give me old school drag sexy body shapers (even if you must do that) over some fucking ratty Danskin that looks like it's going to burst any second.

Mrs Kasha Davies letting Gia have it, bring this woman to All Stars 7, she's a gem.

and the reply...

LUUUUUUUUUUUV MKD !!!!!!!!!!!

Does Gia not think covid is real or an anti mask shit head? Is she an anti vax loon too?

Drag Race is such a strange phenomenon. ANTM and Project Runway et al. obviously were serious from the beginning, but Drag Race was originally a parody of those with a lot of gay camp references. Everyone was in on the joke even though there was a cash prize.

People are so insanely serious about it now. I get why it matters to most contestants, given that they sign their lives away in the contract and want to make fortunes from the exposure and want to win the money, but fans taking it so seriously makes me sad. Drag queens are supposed to be like clowns, just ridiculous, colorful entertainment with nothing on the line, and the show has created a whole subculture of psychotic stalkers.

[Quote] People are so insanely serious about it now. I get why it matters to most contestants, given that they sign their lives away in the contract and want to make fortunes from the exposure and want to win the money, but fans taking it so seriously makes me sad.

r51, see r 44. She's the insane racist homophobic troll who call everyone old racist f@gs it they don't agree with her. She's exactly who you're talking about.

^^^^ r51, see what I mean. Oh and she projects A LOT!

^ r53 on her cell. LOL!

R44 is blocked, so I guess I don't have to see that particular menace :)

We see and know who you are R52. Your attempts to deflect attention don't work. When we isolate your posts - your vile hatred and troubled nature is revealed. Under a few different accounts.

R51, cause just enough really do make it big without Ru. So they all sign away their rights thinking they’ll be the next Bianca or Katya. Even if they never make it that big, they still get enough attention to keep them hustling.

Ben DelaCreme did it right. The reason she quit was cause she didn’t want a contract with the show. She used them for exposure and bounced.

Sure, r55. Keep projecting, hon/loon!

LOL r58. AGAIN, your projecting is your worst enemy, dear/loon.

I was going to ask Miss Georgia: "Do you believe in life after love?"

r51 the original pitch/concept of Drag race was to pair a drag queen with a designer and do a theme each week where the drag queen and designer would collaborate to create a look. Ru stole the idea from the episode of PR she was on where they made clothes for NYC drag queens (sherry vine, Acid Betty etc)..

Queen of the box wine has been blocked by Gia Gunn. What an honour.

LOL,r64!

Lets have MRS KASHA DAVIS on ALL STARS please!! That bitch is funny and has amazing cleavage without a breastplate....

Does anyone have this? What is on it?

This doesn't belong here, but FUCK. What the fuck? DOLLY! Ru wants Dolly as a guest judge so bad. He's said before that if Dolly, Cher and Diana Ross all guest judge on Drag Race - he will retire!

Dolly keeps giving. She scares me but I ❤️ her.

There's a mythological trope among so many cultures of a male god fathering a son who is his pride and joy until the son grows up and suddenly appears to be a threat to the father, and the father tries to kill him preemptively, which makes the father's fear a self-fulfilling prophesy. It's probably an archetypal, deeply embedded fear that men have of being rendered obsolete by their own progeny.

Not to suggest RuPaul is any kind of god, but I find that this career is playing out in accordance with those myths in many ways.

To my knowledge, drag as a performing art that made it to the mainstream used to be primarily comic celebrity impersonation, with men playing Bette Davis and Joan Rivers and Judy Garland, or else people like Dame Edna. And then in gay media, there was Divine, and we all know that type of drag queen.

Today it seems like the only commentary from among LGBT people about RuPaul is about how horrible he is in every way, and celebrating his 'progeny.' It's really interesting to me.

All drag queens who are famous now were made in RuPaul's image in many ways. RuPaul was different from all those old female impersonators by being younger and glamorous, aiming for pretty instead of mocking the appearances and mannerisms of famous women. He had a strong wit that made him great for TV appearances, but his wit was uniquely a kind of wise-cracking camp wit, and mixed with Oprah-esque platitudes. And of course, he has released a lot of music and although few of his songs have gotten mainstream radio play—all of his songs being campy in one way or another and part of his drag package—they've sold well enough to have supported him and made it worthwhile for him to keep doing it.

All the drag queens we know from Drag Race are made in RuPaul's image. Most of them aim for pretty and glam, not for Bette Davis. Some are edgy and regard themselves as punk and political as RuPaul did when he first showed up on talk shows. There are the Divine types who are less inspired by RuPaul's look, but they tend to emulate his persona closely. And all these goddamned drag queens churn out factory-made music to make a quick buck. I don't think almost any of them would have done any of this without emulating RuPaul.

I'm not writing this to praise RuPaul. I just think it's really fascinating that he really did create his own influential persona as an amalgamation of many different aspects of gay and camp and fashion and music culture, and then created a televised factory to produce new versions of himself and reward the best, and then as they've come along, just like in the myths, the progeny have become threats to the originator and now there's so much dramatic tension between them. The kids loathe RuPaul because he's not a loving, gushing parent to all 150 of them, and that loathing has turned into criticizing veritably every aspect of his life, and at the same time, they are still auditioning for him, still begging him weekly for his praise, still asking him for cash prizes and gigs. And RuPaul at first seemed to resent their resentments, and now he seems to have (scorpion-like! He's a scorpio.) retreated into a dark cave when not making public appearances. He scrubbed all his social media of authentically personal sentiments last year and now seems to be all business publicly. And the relationship with his needy progeny has never felt less personal, and their resentment never stronger.

I can't help thinking of Cronus giving life to Zeus and then becoming so paranoid of Zeus's growing power that Zeus had to kill Cronus to escape being killed by him.

Have any of them performed to this song?

R69: That's a lot of very thoughty words about a bunch of guys in dresses.

r70 This drag queen did

Poor Jan has become a self-fulfilling prophesy.

I just watched several drag queen reviews of AS episodes on YouTube and all the queens seem to universally cringe every time Jan's name or photos come up for discussion. I kinda like Jan Sport's spunk, but she is definitely the tryhard Jan Brady of Drag Race according to every other contestant.

The cast for S2 of Drag Race Holland (starts August 6) has dropped. One of the new gyrls, Vanessa Van Cartier, beat out Trinity K. Bonét and Roxxxy Andrews for Miss Continental 2019.

Rebecca Glasscock (Javier José Rivera Nieves) has turned into TRADE:

r75 that cock aint glass honey.

That nose is still LaToya small. I did love that moment where she had a weird meltdown during the MAC challenge and ran crying into the bathroom and there was an extreme close up to show that it was the ladies room. The show could never get away with that now.

I saw (I guess non-Doctor? It sounded like she hasn't gotten her doctorate yet) Silky Nutmeg Ganache on some short Youtube show with Johnny whats-his-name (I only remember him from the "Soccer Practice" music video from long ago).

I forgot that some idiot accused her of sexually harassing him, which of course I'm sure got the Twitterverse in a steam just as she was getting trashed for being overenthusiastic on her season. And then she said the guy came up to her in a bar afterwards and tried to "explain his side of the story", which is just cruel. I would have gotten his name and number, and then called MY LAWYER and filed a lawsuit the next day for defamation. You don't call the police for shit like that.

Of course that would probably have gotten the Twitterverse to come to his defense, which would be totally hypocritical of them (not that it has stopped them before).

[quote]To my knowledge, drag as a performing art that made it to the mainstream used to be primarily comic celebrity impersonation, with men playing Bette Davis and Joan Rivers and Judy Garland, or else people like Dame Edna.

Well, your knowledge is extremely limited then.

Silky got Vicky Vox (Willam and Detox's friend) to apologize for putting the rumor out there. Now she's demanding a public apology from [italic]Attitude[/italic] magazine.

Dame Edna is one of the great performance artists of all time. He went far beyond "drag." A bit of a comic genius. Trixie wishes....

But read the soliloquy from that ponderous miss warwicke, upthread at R69. What a fucking dissertation. And then it posts Charles Pierce? He's not even a good Bette Davis impersonator. Just some old bitchy gay drunk man, flouncing around menacingly. Drag can be very ugly in spirit and delivery. Reminds me of Pandora Box. No wit, just a weary looking old bitch.

Bianca Del Rio did an 'Exposed' interview this week. Some interesting things she mentioned include:

-Having only two weeks to get her outfits together for Season 6, and how they were only allowed to bring 5 suitcases. I'm assuming today's queens get more time and have a bigger allowance.

-Confirming that there was four different outcomes recorded for the Season 6 finale, including a double crowning of her and Adore. I wonder if Courtney felt just a little bit salty towards Ru and the producers over that, since it couldn't have been made any clearer that she wasn't going to be chosen as the winner.

-The queens getting to choose where they sit for Snatch Game.

-Her not being a fan of the show in its early seasons and not really watching it, and that she decided to audition because she was 37 and thought that it if it didn't work out on the show, she'd wrap up her drag career by the time she turned 40. But here we are, seven years later, and she's about to go on yet another world tour.

Stacey Lane Matthews is MOMENTS from DEATH!

R83 Remember kids, pay your rent before paying for your hormones.

Where's the go fund me?

She's far too busy and important to take the time setting up one of those, r85! Plus this way there's no paper trail or limits to how much she can grift for from strangers on the internet!

Love this. UK Hun? Nothing beats Drag Race UK 2 for the best in recent talent and entertainment.

At the beginning of last year, before the premiere of [italic]Drag Race Holland,[/italic] Fred Van Leer attempted suicide after a hookup made a sextape and leaked it online.

I see from the picture at R87 that A'Whora has whittled her nose down even further to a tiny nub.

Can we take a moment to appreciate Violet? She's all grown up and more gorgeous and fashion than ever, but just a bit kinder and more insightful. Appreciative of those who went before her - still with no false modesty on her part. She deserved her win on Season 7, barely.

AS LONG AS GINGER WINS ALL STARS 6!!

Violet is far from dumb and not exactly a warm personality. He's kind of an outlier and outer space winner of Drag Race. She has gone places the rest of them only pretend. High Fashion. I like that she says that Seasons 1 through 6 are the ones that everyone must watch. Classic Drag Race, before the fuckery, fakeness and foolery came to rule.

Joseph Shepherd is such a cutie. He is the only Drag Race fan doing long form interviews that I can watch. He takes the queens seriously and doesn't bait them, but he enjoys the tea when it spills. He's a sexy bitch boy to be honest. I think Violet fucked him.

R90 Those nude Violet pictures scared me.

Of course the guy who is trying to guilt people into donating to Stacey Lane Matthews to cover for her poor financial planning, moved on to attacking RuPaul for not paying for, I dunno, communal housing for all former Drag Race contestants. How are these people for real??

Also note that he set the thread to no replies after people started disagreeing with his stupidity.

Lol! And then someone tries to say anyone disagreeing with the clearly white poster (who is accusing Ru of being heartless because she isn't personally intervening whenever any deadbeat who was on her show needs money) just doesn't understand "black queer culture" and how oppressed they are and how RuPaul is literally Satan for not helping out her fellow people of color when they are HOMELESS and STARVING!

Oh, the humanity!

Tatiana has gotten so fat!

Venus D-Lite, first boot on S3, talks with Joseph Shepherd about how Drag Race affected her mental health, finding out she had HIV, and how she learned to lean into her status as the queen of the RPDRCringe subreddit.

I saw season two recently and I felt Sonique was being totally authentic, although she unwittingly set an unfortunate precedent for sudden acting out of traumas on the runway.

Since then, how many contestants in the bottom two have blurted out "I'm HIV positive!" and "I'm not a drag queen...I'm a woman!!!" and "MY MOTHER LEFT ME AT A BUS STAAAAAHP!!!" and then were saved?

Cut to 2021:

Judges: What is that stupid look on your face?

Jan: What do you mean? I am so excited to be here.

Judges: Why aren't you being real with us?

Jan: What do you mean?

Judges: Why are you acting happy?

Jan: I'm a happy person!

Judges: What HAPPENED to you as a CHILD, Jan?

Jan: Huh? I had a happy childhood.

Judges: You are lying, Jan!

Jan: I am??

Judges: Why can't you just be REAL, Jan?

Jan: I don't understand. I wasn't abused or anything.

Judges: Sure, Jan. Sashay away.

It's not that Jan is happy, it's that Jan is fake.

Internet: Why are you so FAKE, Jan?

Jan: How am I fake???

Internet: That fake, stupid smile.

Jan: I just smile a lot.

Internet: Sure, Jan. Fake, stupid Jan.

Internet headline: Drag Race Contestant 'Jan Sport' Found Dead in Suspected Suicide

Internet: RIP JAN!!! 😭😭😭 Such a tragic loss! At least she was finally real!!

RuPaul: We dedicate this season to Jan, the realest drag queen in Drag Race history.

Mrs. Kasha Davis's documentary, [italic]Workhorse Queen,[/italic] examines the harsh reality for queens who don't make it far on the show. At first she got a boost from it, but after her season was over she found herself passed over more and more for bookings and appearances. She let her drinking got out of control as she tried to deal with the disappointment, to the point that she almost ruined her personal life. The film also touches on how Drag Race affects the careers of established queens who haven't gotten on the show.

^ *get* out of control

What was a drag queen career before drag race? Did they make enough money to actually support themselves, pay for health insurance, etc.?

What's a drag queen career post-drag race, both for former contestants and people who have never been on the show?

How can you have a post-drag race career if you've never been on the show?

Quite a lot of people made a full time living out of being a drag queen before Drag Race. But they pretty much had to invest every cent they ever made in tips into buying a new cheap dress. Build a name for themselves locally. A queen like Ginger would host and emcee as well as perform in a drag show. And travel a bit too. Latrice Royale rebuilt his life doing drag in bars.

RuPaul saying ladyboy or making so many hooker jokes on the early seasons was not far off the mark either. Many drag queens in the past also engaged in prostitution. Gotta pay the rent. Rely on free drinks and friends and mentors for places to stay. But there have always been some local legends or Revue style superstars. Chris Edwards made a long life out of performing as Diana Ross, Tina Turner and Michael Jackson.

Have you never watched Paris is Burning R101? It's one look at a very specific world. Or watch Craig Russell in Outrageous. He was a drag SUPERSTAR.

I never understood Roxxy's story. She said her mom left her and her sister at the bus stop but who was in the audience at the Finale? Her mom. If I were Ru I would have said "the one who left you at the bus stop????"

Her mother just dropped them at the school bus stop. Roxxy wasn't about to lose that lip synch. Remember when young Blair St. Claire got raped at a college party on the runway?

She was raped on a runway?

There was so much interest in España but no one at all is talking about the second season of Holland.

[quote]I never understood Roxxy's story. She said her mom left her and her sister at the bus stop but who was in the audience at the Finale? Her mom. If I were Ru I would have said "the one who left you at the bus stop????"

That was her grandmother, who adopted/raised them after being abandoned.

So far loving DR Holland Season 2 - no real stand outs yet and I cannot figure out if the one is an actual woman or ?

I'm rewatching US Drag Race season 2 because of All Stars 6 fatigue and everyone looks so young! Also Morgan McMichaels is actually a really cute boy, as opposed to the viperous sharp-featured queen he is now.

^ Vanessa Van Cartier (see R74) is trans. She came to the US a couple of years ago and won the Miss Continental pageant in Chicago.

WOW announces [italic]Drag Race Philippines[/italic] ... a month after Manila Luzon announces her own new show there, [italic]Drag Den with Manila Luzon.[/italic]

Yeah, announcing it 20 hours after Manilla does it is definitely shady. It's also clearly scrambling because Manilla got there first and God forbid anyone else have a drag competition show other than Ru Paul.

RuPaul enterprises are PIGs. I love Manila. He's not so funny or witty - but he's one hell of a drag queen. A great visual and creative artist. Pretty successful human being as a GAY man. Loving and loved. Married. Bitchy, but not sad. Everything you want to see on stage in a drag performer. As glamorous and real looking as Ru. But 4 times as talented. Manila is THE All Star never crowned and one of the top 5 best contestants on any iteration of Drag Race, ever. She deserves every success. I think she'll have it too.

I like her too and thought she got screwed on AS4. Filipino Drag Race fans actually aren't too keen on her having a show, though, because she doesn't speak Tagalog and she doesn't understand their pop culture.

And RuPaul does?

The new queens for drag race uk season 3 have been announced and one of them, Victoria Scone, is an actual woman, a bio-queen, or as she says an AFAB Queen (assigned female at birth).

For some reason everyone on Twitter seems to be praising this as “”STUNNING AND BRAVE” as if women declaring themselves “queer” and invading gay male spaces is something to be celebrated.

I have to draw the line at the bioqueen thing. Talk about dumbing down. Dolly Parton and Cher are drag queens. They also act and sing; Dolly plays a half dozen or so instruments and writes music. Having women just put on women's clothes and wigs and open and close their mouths without any discernable talent seems a step too far. I mean, whatever, drag is completely inconsequential and I'm not offended by it, but I definitely have no interest in watching people play dress up and lip sync. The 'female illusion' of a gigantic man in costume is the whole point of drag for me. I always groan during the episodes where they've made over women because what's the point?

You're actually [italic]surprised[/italic] that the bioqueen is Twitter's early favorite?

Lady Bunny shares a story from her days as a phone sex operator with Monét X Change on their podcast

Oh man, the Holland queens had an amazing runway for the Monster Ball.

Word is that Symonee has a featured part in a new long form video. What? Unlike Gaga, Kacey Musgraves PAYS the queens for their work! And made Symone part of the squad. Can't wait.

R120 I posted several times to the Holland season 2 thread and no one engaged with it.

So weird. There was so much chatter about Spain but it seems no one is watching Holland.

r122, I had no idea that there was a thread on that. I guess the DL queens prefer dark meat over white.

According to the rumor mill, [Italic]Drag Race Brazil[/italic] is finally in production and will be the first edition of the franchise not hosted by a drag queen. Instead, the host is speculated to be Xuxa Meneghel, the world's sexiest kiddie-show host.

If you can stand 25 minutes of Trixie, watch the new Pit Stop. Nicole Byers should be a permanent Drag Race Judge! She's a super fan, a great comic who is wonderfully quick, dirty and playful. She knows DRAG. Too good for the panel. She did so many of the lockdown judging gigs. Give Nicole the main Stage GIG!! Don't stick her in some hellhole like the Philippines or Brazil. Let her sit on top of Carson. NO one will notice.

Nicole is hilarious. And tells the truth.

R124, then it’s not Drag Race. People watch this show for the female illusion not to see women dressing as fancier women.

I'm just going to leave this here....

There is going to be an all-winners season - including JInx, Raja, The Viviene, Jaida, Trinity and Monet X - There will be no eliminations. They will have two challenge winners each week and they will get stars awarded. You can then use your stars to stop another winner from getting a star the next week. The one with the most stars at the end of the season wins.

That sounds completely self congratulating and mastaburtory, R129. I guess that's the only way they could get some past winners to sign up. No one who won The Crown wants to be sent home first.

You'll never catch Violet, Trixie, Chad, Bianca or Alaska signing up for this. They don't need the money that bad. BoB might.

They should let pretty Tyra Sanchez participate.💋

Wow, way to take out all the fun of an All Winner season. Monet, Shea, and Trinity aren’t nearly interesting enough to justify three (!!) seasons of them in four years.

It is supposed to be one of the best snatch games ever and from what I hear the cast revolts because Production was supposedly favoring Jinx.

Throw another one on the pile. Gigi Goode comes out as trans and reveals her facial feminization surgery. These girls will do anything to win All Stars!

R133 Gigi? Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fucking hell. I was hoping this faddish BS was finally fading out.

Another one on the pile indeed.

Casting is underway for [italic]Queen of the Universe,[/italic] WOW's upcoming Eurovision-style drag singing competition.

Possible Drag Race UK S3 spoilers per r/SpoiledDragRace and Willam on the Race Chaser podcast:

Victoria Scone has to leave early after getting injured. This season reportedly filmed on an extremely compressed schedule (due to All Stars International filming coming right behind) and pushed the queens to the breaking point. The on-set mental health counselor allegedly quit in protest.

A rumor on reddit is that one of the queens on S14 is a straight male

This is all getting crazy.

r137 they already had a straight male on UK1 -

The straight male doesn't bother me. The bio woman totally bothers me.

What's next? I know, let's do a drag race iteration with fucking Muppets.

Actually, I would watch that...

R133 Actually Gigi has come out as trans AND non-binary which doesn’t really make sense to me but whatever

I knew about the non-binary thing with Gigi, now this is just...feeling like a grab which, well, if true, is totally disappointing. Miss Fame got work done, as did Violet (they didn't need it either) but still non trans! Still getting work!

I do forget Gigi is pretty young though so...

Trans ruin everything.

I miss the old seasons so much now. I recall an episode where they had to dress straight guys in drag. It was silly and awkward and sweet and fun.

Gender politics and this fucking TransFadia is stripping all of the fun out of drag.

Isn’t Mik trans and non-binary as well? Kids these days.

I've said this before, but Mik got no dick will likely have her tits put back in sooner than later once she gets her "fame". Can't stand her shtick. Knee slapping, wide fake mouth fake laughing, talentless dullard, only here thanks to adoptive parents who can't say "no".

I can!

NO THANKS!

R146 And a shitty fuck.

Gigi's transition is of no surprise to me. She was talking about gender fluidity in her confessionals during Season 12, which made me think that a pronoun change (at the very least) was imminent. Didn't her famous mom/coach/designer refer to Gigi using they/them pronouns during the finale?

Well, congrats to her, hopefully she'll now get the straight boy of her dreams.

I'm sorry r124 but Xuxa is a drag queen

[quote]The new queens for drag race uk season 3 have been announced and one of them, Victoria Scone, is an actual woman, a bio-queen, or as she says an AFAB Queen (assigned female at birth).

I wonder if she will get ready in the workroom with the other queens or is she going to have her own dressing room on stage for privacy.

Nah, Gigi is not Goode. She can do what she wants. But that bug eyed Pekingese cheating player of Season 12 was clearly not right. Funny and talented, but not right with his body. No man or woman who eats has Gigi Goodes body. Ribs and ankles. And his mother is not an example of acceptance or excellence. Their relationship is strangely close, personally and professionally.

Like her or not, look back at Naomi Smalls relationship with her mother. On the season 8 finale. Fantastically loving and supportive, as she is with her other 11 kids. Ru asked her if she bought young Naomi (boy name?) fashion magazines. And his mother smiled and said no, I'm not very fashionable. But later when I saw his passion - I bought him wigs and dresses and heels.

Gigi seemed created in a lab from the start. He's not a beauty but he is a fashion type. I get the feeling that Gigi Goode's mother CREATED him.

He's not just non binary for whoever said that. Gigi is on hormone blockers and had FFS. He can choose not to label it if he's trying to be vague. But she's transwoman. He says himself if they weren't in lockdown and had gone on tour, he probably wouldn't have come to this "realization."

Did his momma tell him to get rid of that lantern jaw and have his forehead smashed into bits? FFS is very painful. He doesn't look that much different but he had his skull smashed, jaw planed and chin chopped. A nose job and some work on the eyes? Bitch don't bruise or swell much at all. For real.

This is all to say that Jaida was the right winner of Season 12. A very good season. Gigi shone.

But even as a self identifying gay man, Symone looks prettier and more female in this Moschino Ad. And he's a bald dark skin MAN.

R100, Dragula did it first with a (really nasty) bio-queen and the spectacular Drag King, Landon Cider (also a woman). They made no issue about getting ready with the others.

R147- I’m afraid to ask….you don’t have this personal experience I hope.

Nobody cares about Dragula.

Queer Eye for the Straight Guy was a smash hit until the show decided to make over women. When it was 5 gay guys and one straight guy, the show was fun and a little bit sexy. When it became 5 gay guys and one straight gal, it became deadly boring and the show was soon canceled. The same will happen for RuPaul if the show begins to feature women.

R152 House of Drag in New Zealand also did this in season 2 with Bionica, a bisexual female drag queen. Not only did she change with the boys but she slept in the same room with a few of them, since the premise of the show is Drag Race meets Big Brother.

The show is extremely low budget but actually very funny and hosted by Kita and Anita from Drag Race Down Under. I wish the real Drag Race had a Big Brother element, it’s fun.

I'm not sure why people would get worked up about Gigi announcing she is transgender. Of all the contestants—maybe with the exception of Carmen Carrera—Gigi's face and her manner are feminine even when presenting as a boy. If I met "him" somewhere in real life, I'm not sure if I would be able to discern whether Gigi was male or female. I think Gigi is one person whose natural appearance and presentation makes a strong argument that some people's anatomies and inner workings are mismatched.

I also think it's funny that people are complaining about Gigi becoming a woman—using the name Gigi, as if the expectation would be that "Gigi" would naturally be male.

r155 Hi Gigi's mom!

I was thinking Caitlyn as she had the same issues.

I would have expected Blair St. Clair to declare to be trans first, before Gigi- I haven’t checked lately, but I believer he’s non-binary.

OMG. Violet and Gottmik have a new show. Violet is a CUNT. I love him. He's total dude energy. Gottmik is annoying as fuck and confusing as ever. BUT the first episode is all about critiquing Violet's Drag Race looks. It's bitchy and gossipy fun. Violet has power man - she always did. A true creative beast. Honest about everything. I stan.

I fucking love Violet. A true cunt and I am here for it.

Can't fucking STAND Gottwhatevermyparentsbuyme.

Trixie has been hanging out with GM quite a lot, apparently. Why? Trixie's pandering is off the charts at this point. I catch Katya rolling her eyes from time to time and it warms my dark little heart.

Gorge! As in my gorge is rising.

Well, R160…a lot of gay guys enjoy having a straight female friend, so Trixie and Gottadumbdragname hanging out makes sense.

Bryce the redhead is playing videogames shirtless on Twitch right now, and he has the lispiest Ses that ever lisped.

Canada's Drag Race Season 2 will debut on Thursday, October 14, sans Stacey Mackenzie or DL fave Jeffrey Bowyer-Chapman as judges, AND only two queens from Toronto.

Tamisha Iman has burned her post–Drag Race career to the ground. Not only is she effectively blacklisted by WOW, she's admitting to scamming fans on merchandise she never delivered. She also grandly announced that she wouldn't be attending DragCon in Atlanta, and she started deleting her social media accounts earlier today.

On the heels of the all-winners theme for AS7, a new rumor has started circulating on Reddit about an all-early-outs season. One of the speculated queens is Nicole Paige Brooks from Atlanta, Georgia.

I’m surprised that more people haven’t lost their mind and destroyed their life after getting famous on a reality tv show. I’m a pretty stable guy but being recognized and approached by strangers every time I left the house would make me mental.

Now someone on The Reddit is laying the groundwork for a class-action lawsuit against Tamisha.

Non-binary queen from Drag Race Down Under, Etcetera Etcetera, is very angry today at cis gay men's misogyny.

O no, Trinity got silicone injections and now has weird folds on her cheeks.

I wish more queens would stick to their natural faces.

[italic]Drag Race Italia[/italic] Meet the Queens

Frisbee Jenkins, the artist formerly known as Sasha Belle (S7), has deleted her YouTube channel. According to gossip on Reddit, she was invited by WOW producers to audition for a future season under her new name.

In other news, the reclusive Max is tentatively restarting her drag career by taking gigs in the UK.

Drama has commenced regarding contestants on the upcoming [italic]Queens of the Universe[/italic] singing competition.

Jujubee is doing QOTU and International All Stars. Also confirmed for QOTU is Leona Winter, who won the second season of Chile's [italic]The Switch Drag Race[/italic] and appeared on [italic]The Voice France.[italic]

JuJu ain’t no quitter. She’ll persevere until she gets a crown somewhere. Good for her she deserves it. Her gold look in the all stars final episode was one of my favourites ever.

[italic]Drag Race Italia[/italic] premieres tonight on WOW.

S14 cast reveal, including the franchise's first straight queen

Tonight's main challenge on [italic]Drag Race Italia[/italic] is a Raffaella Carrà Rusical.

Haha.

There's a straight guy! I love it.

Drag is dead.

I'll take a straight guy over a bio woman ANY FUCKING DAY. Not talking about that dreadful "went trans because I needed a hook" gottnodickortalent biological woman. I mean as described at r116 and r117

*spoiler*

Jujubee was eliminated in the second episode of QOTU. I think she was picked mainly as someone recognizable to promote the show, as her singing really wasn't in the same league as the other queens'. C'mon International All Stars!

R178 There was already a straight guy on UK season 1.

Miss Vanjie is reportedly filming for a new MTV reality show called [italic]Super Shore All Stars,[/italic] featuring cast members from various Viacom reality shows, including the Shore franchises (Jersey, Geordie, Floribama, and Acapulco), [italic]Love Island,[/italic] and [italic]Ex on the Beach.[/italic]

I like Vanjie, but that sounds pretty fucking lame. But a dollar is a dollar so...

Vangie is fucking irritating. Charming for 10 minutes. Cute lil guy before all the bad decisions.

Those veneers she got...talk about a bad decision. Do they all go to the same cosmetic dentist? Only Latrice's look good, and god knows that bitch needed them.

Can we pretty please keep this thread spoiler free? I'm not trying to be a hall monitor, it's just so frustrating. At the very least Mention spoiler alert and then add a ton of line breaks in before posting the rest, so it gives people a chance to zoom past the spoiler.

International All Stars has been formally announced but is officially a special edition of Drag Race UK: [italic]UK Versus the World.[/italic] Since it's a BBC production, that means RuPeter badges instead of prizes.

No official premiere date or cast reveal yet, but these are the queens who've been speculated for months on Reddit:

UK: Baga Chipz, Blu Hydrangea, Cheryl Hole

US: Jujubee, Monique Heart

Canada: Jimbo, Lemon

Holland: Janey Jacké

Thailand: Pangina Heals

Poor Jujubee. How many of these is she going to appear and never win?

Pagina is going to stomp all over Jujubee. And I love them both.

I love Jujubee, but, come on, really?

Logo is re-running S2 right now. I love how low-budget and cunty it is.

^ Right now they're showing the eldergay makeover challenge.

R191 By far S2 to S6 are the show's best, back when it was still more of an underground success and the riggery was far less obvious.

According to the Drag Race fandom wiki, today is Merle Ginsberg's 69th birthday. Assuming it's true, she looks great for her age.

I rewatched some of S4 last night on Logo, and I caught something shady that they haven't done in any other season: In the opening credits where Ru describes the prizes, they have the previous episode's eliminated queen model the crown while holding the $100,000 check. Some of them look none too happy.

I just stumbled upon, "Queen of the Universe"- anyone watching?

[italic]Drag Race UK Versus the World[italic] (International All Stars) premieres 2/1 on WOW Presents Plus and in the UK as part of the relaunch of BBC Three. Michelle told Digital Spy it's going to be great:

[quote]"You have no idea what you are about to witness. You have no idea," she said.

[quote]"Anybody who's complaining about having too much to watch, get ready, because you're going to be addicted to this one. It's such a great series that your mind is going to be blown.

[quote]"And I hope that we have so many more of these to come, because that's how good it was."

.[/italic]

R196 Here is the little thread for Queen of the Universe. It had potential, so of course it was squandered

I noticed that too, R195, when rewatching US S4 around a year ago.

Strangely, none of the queens have on the outfits they wore when they were eliminated. Most of them had on their runway outfits from weeks 3 or 4. And Lashawn Beyond was not shown holding the cheque at the beginning of episode 3, they just re-used the shot of Alisa Summers from episode 2.

[quote]There is going to be an all-winners season - including JInx, Raja, The Viviene, Jaida, Trinity and Monet X - There will be no eliminations. They will have two challenge winners each week and they will get stars awarded. You can then use your stars to stop another winner from getting a star the next week. The one with the most stars at the end of the season wins.

Yvie Oddly is also in the cast.

[italic]Drag Race Philippines[/italic] will premiere in June (6/3 per r/SpoiledDragRace). Jiggly Caliente is rumored to be a judge.

Rumored cast:

Brigiding

Corazon

Eva Le Queen

Gigi Era

Lady Morgana

Marina Summers

Minty Fresh (also rumored to be cast in [italic]Drag Den with Manila Luzon[/italic])

Precious Paula Nicole

Prince

Turing

Viñas Deluxe

Xilhouete

España S2 Meet the Queens

Bob and Thorgy on [italic]Purse First Impressions[/italic] are an underrated comedy team. I love this clip where Thorgy rakes Pandora Boxx over the coals and even Bob is taken aback at the savagery.

[quote]I love this clip where Thorgy rakes Pandora Boxx over the coals and even Bob is taken aback at the savagery.

I bet Thorgy smells like Patchouli.

Per r/SpoiledDragRace, the next International All Stars will be Canada vs. the World and AS8 is going to be a "Second Chances" season for early outs.

Nicky Doll from S12 will be the host of [italic]Drag Race France.[/italic]

R206 Will Lemon get another go?

^ The tea spillers on Spoiled Drag Race don't have any casting details yet, but they say that Brooke Lynn Hytes is hosting and Ru probably won't be involved.

Well sounds good. I hope Cynthia Kiss gets to come back and go the distance this time.

I'd love to see both Synthia and Suki Doll again. Definitely wouldn't be surprised if Lemon comes back and takes the crown.

I forgot about Suki, she had killer runways. I hope they fly Tayce in to compete and hopefully that funny Maxie from the Australia version.

I love Maxi Shield! DRDU sucked, but her lip sync against Etcetera Etcetera was delightful.

I'd love to see Anita Wigl'it as well.

I think Tayce is the most beautiful man. I want to see him 15 lbs heavier but that would kind of ruin this whole gig for him, right? I want to fuck him and kiss him and be his boyfriend anyway. He'd like me. For two nights in NYC. Bing Bang Bong.

The American Queens get so FAT after their seasons?? No RuPeter Badges. Too much $$$.

Ginger Minj, Kornbread, and Kahmora Hall landed parts in [italic]Hocus Pocus 2[/italic] as drag queens performing as the Sanderson sisters.

Trinity the Tuck shall forever be tucked.

The first episode of [italic]Drag Race France[/italic] is up on WOW Presents+.

Jiggly Caliente has been announced as a full-time judge for [italic]Drag Race Philippines,[/italic] which premieres August 17. DRP will also be the first international Drag Race edition with its own Untucked series.

Haven't watched the US version in years, but I'm watching the French premiere right now and it's such a breath of fresh air.

I was afraid the French show would turn into some hastily provincial hacked up sub-show but it turned out very well. Good job to Nicky Doll and all the RPDR FR team because they've been able to produce 8 60+ minutes episodes in just three weeks instead of just one episode a week like the US show.

Massive spoiler alert for the next All Stars....these are rumoured queens, been whittled down to a more definitive list now....

- Alexis Michelle - Heidi N Closet - Jaymes Mansfield - Jessica Wild - Jimbo - Kahanna Montrese - Kandy Muse - Lala Ri - Monica Beverly Hills - Mrs Kasha Davis - Naysha Lopez

Possible:

- Darienne Lake - Lineysha Sparx

Worth watching for Mrs Kasha D and Jaymes Mansfield alone, two of my faves, watch them be in the bottom week 1. I absolutely love Jaymes look in her eyes, she really doesn't know where she is.

Hard pass if that obnoxious, talent-free sow Kandy Muse is in the cast.

Perhaps she could be first out, they must of seen how much hate she got online.

[italic]Canada vs. the World,[/italic] as per the regular show, will be hosted by Brooke Lynn Hytes, Brad Goreski, and Traci Melchor.

Rumored queens:

Anita Wigl'it (Down Under)

Icesis Couture (winner, Canada S2)

Kendall Gender (Canada S2)

Ra'Jah O'Hara (S11/AS6)

Rita Baga (Canada S1)

Silky Ganache (S11/AS6)

Stephanie Prince (Canada S2)

Vanity Milan (UK S3)

Victoria Scone (UK S3)

Philippines Meet the Queens

Philippines sneak preview, including what sounds like a promisingly messy Untucked

[italic]Drag Race Italia[/italic] got a second season, which premieres on WOW this Thursday. Judging from the trailer, the production values have vastly improved.

Italia's Meet the Queens

[italic]Canada vs. the World[/italic] premieres 11/18. Confirmed queens:

[bold]Anita Wigl'it,[/bold] Down Under S1

[bold]Icesis Couture, Kendall Gender, Stephanie Prince,[/bold] Canada S2

[bold]Ra'jah O'Hara, Silky Nutmeg Ganache,[/bold] US S11/AS6

[bold]Rita Baga,[/bold] Canada S1

[bold]Vanity Milan, Victoria Scone,[/bold] UK S3

Can’t wait, although will be heartbroken if Icesis doesn’t win, she’s on a different level.

[italic]Drag Race Belgique[/italic] premieres February 16. Host is Rita Baga since it's a Francophone show, Vanessa Van Cartier (winner of [italic]Drag Race Holland[/italic] S2) is Flemish, and they couldn't find a local French-speaking queen of note.

The 10 Belgian waffles:

[bold]Amanda Tears,[/bold] Mouscron

[bold]Athena Sorgelikis,[/bold] Brussels

[bold]Brittany Von Bottoks,[/bold] Brussels

[bold]Drag Couenne,[/bold] Brussels

[bold]Edna Sorgelsen,[/bold] Brussels

[bold]Mademoiselle Boop,[/bold] Brussels

[bold]Mocca Bone,[/bold] Brussels

[bold]Peach,[/bold] Liège

[bold]Susan From Grindr,[/bold] Ghent

[bold]Valenciaga,[/bold] Ghent

[quote]Drag Race Belgique[/italic] full trailer—looks fun and not too dramatique.

[italic]Drag Race Belgique[/italic] premieres tonight!

[italic]Drag Race Sverige[/italic] premieres March 4

Drag Race UK production crew spills on Reddit about sexual assault allegations against a cast member from the upcoming season

Tyra Sanchez has started performing again after publicly quitting drag.

Will she do all winners 2. Imagine the press and controversy it would cause. Just up Ru’s alley.

Meet the queens of [italic]Drag Race Sverige[/italic]

I would love to see the looks on Bob and Bianca’s faces if Tyra strolled in as a surprise contestant.

DR Sverige is really good so far.

Maddy Morphosis has a fun new talk show on YouTube. Her interviewing style sort of gives me [italic]Between Two Ferns.[/italic]

[italic]Canada's Drag Race S4[/italic] likely cast (per Reddit):

[bold]Aimee Yonce Shennel,[/bold] Ottawa

[bold]Aurora Matrix,[/bold] Toronto

[bold]Denim Pussy,[/bold] Montréal

[bold]The Girlfriend Experience,[/bold] Vancouver

[bold]Nearah Nuff,[/bold] Calgary

[bold]Kiki Coe,[/bold] Ottawa

[bold]Luna DuBois,[/bold] Toronto

[bold]Venus,[/bold] Vancouver

[italic]Drag Race España[/italic] S3 Meet the Queens (premieres April 16)