Lin-Manuel Miranda is over?

Good! He's insufferable and Hamilton was over-hyped, over-praised and over-priced.

Wish he would bring down his buddy Jimmy Fallon with him.

Buzzfeed is still a thing?

R3 I wonder why...

Buzzfeed defines millennial cringe.

“Why Gen Z loves to drag Lyn Manuel-Miranda.”

Who gives a flying fuck what “Gen Z” has to say?

R6 = Lin

The front page is everything I hate about internet "journalism".

What r1 said. He's a nothing and not even a nothing with a good haircut and suit. A dullard.

Buzzfeed is a joke.

Yet, he has two hit Broadway musicals and the film adaptation of one of them is opening this weekend and looks like a big hit.

And, until he has a bomb or two, he pretty much has carte blanche to do what he wants on Broadway.

Many of the comments say the article is horseshit and gen z only drags LMM for his lip bite thing which they consider funny. Lots of the shrill fallout complaints are leveled at him by scoldy millennials, not gen-zs.

^^^callout

Hamilton will not be revived decade after decade like West Side Story, Gypsy, Chicago . . .time has not been kind to it not unlike Rent. 'In the Heights' is a film to be cherished and praise by the likes of Sunny Hostin.

Buzzfeed is embarrassing, anyway miranda is the media and Hollywood choosing a token minority and shoving them down everyone's throats as a non-threatening brown, look how charming and funny and cool this dancing monkey is! Dance monkey, dance! He sucks too.

Hamilton was extremely corny and the fans were obnoxious and treated it like it was a history textbook.

I never saw “Hamilton” and don’t plan to. It’s difficult for me to get behind anything the mainstream consumes as voraciously as they did that play; the mainstream are generally idiots.

Shorter version of r12 r13:

clickbait

and it worked

R17 You sound like a lot of fun to be around.

So, you only enjoy theater that isn't successful?

Don't forget the Boomers, I'm cringing too!

I am too

I didn’t get the rabid enthusiasm for it, and I thought it really was pretentious to boast about your ability to get tickets to that show (“I saw it first, and I saw the REAL one!”). Some Hamilton devotees opined that kids would learn more, do better and like school more if only the teachers would rap, and assign rap songs instead of traditional projects. Some do that, and they also get called out for cultural/identity appropriation. I had professors who played it at the beginning of class to signal that it was time to start, and turn it up louder until the class stopped talking.

He is an excellent storyteller, which is a natural for articulate attention seekers. Decent lyricist, mediocre composer, and enthusiastic but terrible performer. Ironically, his performing (combined with his writing) is why he is famous

He is also intensely driven and came with privilege, so things have worked out extraordinarily well for him.

LMM is a GenX. It sounds like a fight between stupid GenZ and their equally stupid parents.

Did he ever hook up with Jonathan Groff?

I guess I’ve just resigned myself to the fact there has to be personality types like Lyn Manuel-Miranda. He’s just so thirsty and can’t hide his urgent need to share his “talent” with everyone, all the time. On the upside, as far as Hollywood scum go, he’s definitely seems like he’s one of the better ilk. I prefer east coast Broadway types over LA trash, if I’m forced to choose.

Dick Van Dyke is still beloved in Mary Poppins almost sixty years later, LMM was all but invisible in the sequel.

Hamilton. Was fantastic I enjoyed it its just entertainment for fucks sake

I didn't know anything about him, but walked away from Mary Poppins Returns with startled senses having been educated by the ending credits that the charming Englishman in the picture was, in fact, a powdered faced Latin. He was easily the best thing in the film. Nevertheless, I have no interest in Hamilton or The Heights.

R25 JG looks photoshopped in that thumbnail.

LMM should've been been cancelled for his lip biting long ago.

This is what you get for enabling Angela Lansbury to degrade herself by making that crappy movie with M.

Hamilton was obnoxious and overrated. LMM is a classic try-hard type, like Anne Hathaway, and a little of both goes a long way.

Though I generally don’t care for him, I thought LMM was actually great when he hosted SNL. I wouldn’t be mad if Lorne groomed him for the Five-Timers Club.

Lin can cum in my mouth anytime! Anytime.

Gen X hates him too!

Good riddance. He was the guest on every late night talk show practically every week for several years now. I'm so fucking sick of him pimping out Hamilton. I never understood why these shows kept inviting him on in the first place. Surely the hosts would have gotten fed up with having to interview him about the same damn musical over and over again.

I would like to see LMM daddy up - hit the gym, build the biceps.

I couldn’t watch Mary Poppins Returns because he was in it. Also, a Puerto Rican playing Bert was too bizarre even for Disney.

R27

I disagree. He was pretty good as Bert, the sidewalk artist and chimney sweep, with Emily Blunt as Mary Poppins.

Millennials: A very multi-talented artist.

Gen Z: Millennials love him, so now we hate him!

Millennials: Water is good for you.

Gen Z: Millennial love water, so now we hate it!

Gen Z is truly the worst generation. Nothing but contrarians and conformist, uber followers of trends (Vine, TikTok). This stupid intergenerational struggle is just more division between people in society that we don't need. But 1 Gen Zer did it, so now they ALL have to do it. Brainless zombies.

R39 Smug Obnoxious GenX raised them so what do you expect

I think the only thing that may be turning some people against LMM is the fact he's so overexposed at this point. But he is very talented and his success is deserved unlike so many others we call celebrities these days (e.g., reality show stars).

While at my niece 's grad party a few years ago a very intersectional friend of hers actually uttered one of the most ignorant statements I've ever heard. Ignorant because she was so oblivious to what she said was blatantly illogical & ignorant because she said it with such conviction in believing it. While talking about having seen Hamilton she commented: "It's just like this country to hide its real history. I mean, why are we taught that all those people were white!?" Really, there's just no need for stupidity of the depth. I'm all for rounding up people like this & fixing them a fresh batch of cherry Kool-Aid.

[quote]I'm all for rounding up people like this & fixing them a fresh batch of cherry Kool-Aid.

Since you're being such a stickler for accuracy, you might edit your headline to say "cherry Flavor-Aid," which is what they actually drank (click and scroll down).

I came out of Hamilton not humming a single song.

I think the whole colorblind casting thing he did really undermined the verisimilitude of the piece as historical drama.

And the whole thing has the vibe of rapping history lesson for minorities too dumb to learn history the old fashioned way.

[quote]While at my niece 's grad party a few years ago a very intersectional friend of hers actually uttered one of the most ignorant statements I've ever heard. Ignorant because she was so oblivious to what she said was blatantly illogical & ignorant because she said it with such conviction in believing it.

What's her friend's religion have to do with anything?

[quote]I think the only thing that may be turning some people against LMM is the fact he's so overexposed at this point. But he is very talented and his success is deserved unlike so many others we call celebrities these days (e.g., reality show stars).

He's very talented behind the scenes. But if the guy farts, people stand and cheer. This week people were losing their shit over this. Not only was it really sloppy, it was boring, and I'm a big ole Theatre Queen.

Hamilton leaves me cold and, yeah, I do not think it will age well.

[quote] Dick Van Dyke is still beloved in Mary Poppins almost sixty years later,

Oh honey, just no. Ask any Brit what they think of Dick van Dyke's Cockney accent in "MP."

Honestly, there is always a certain kind of cringe element in theater. Think of Opera, its loud, dramatic, bombastic. Some people can't take It and think its cringe, kistch or whatever.

I'm sick and tired of the generation (insert name). People forgot it was created by corporations. Its horseshit.

I’d suck off Lin as many times as he wanted.

R37: Skip it and watch [italic]Bedknobs and Broomsticks[/italic] instead. Heck, you're better off with [italic]Pete's Dragon[/italic] than that mess. Those movies are as underrated as that bitch is overrated and usually by the same obese boomers.

Careful, R44, your racism is showing.

He and tr-ns-enabler Don Cheadle ruined the [italic]DuckTales[/italic] reboot, too.

R44 The songs in Hamilton go in one ear and out the same ear. The choreography is with lots of leaping and twirling about is on the level of a high school production and after a half hour I was bored.

I. Just. Don't. Get. It.

I am not throwin' away my shot

I am not throwin' away my shot

Hey yo, I'm just like my country

I'm young, scrappy and hungry

And I'm not throwin' away my shot

It's time to take a shot

[quote] Lin-Manuel Miranda is over?

Yes, one article in buzzfeed suggesting he is mocked sometimes by certain members of one generational demographic absolutely means he is over. You are not exaggerating at all.

[quote] Skip it and watch Bedknobs and Broomsticks instead.

Hi, Matt Anscher!

And... you're BLOCKED.

People are tired of corny ass n****a

I thought he was a 'rican retard.

He'll be on every fucking late night show yet again as theaters begin to re open

R60 he's one of those people like James Corden that everyone seems to hate but is nonetheless popular.

LMM is a light-skinned assimilationist Hispanic desperate for approval from Whitey and that just doesn’t fly now.

Why would IGAF? Who fucking cares?

So who is Matt Anscher? And why do I have him blocked already?

Gen Xers like me are cynical, skeptical and media savvy - my (only) GenZ kid is likewise with the added bonus of being able to decipher social media bullshit in nanoseconds. LLM has zero appeal to either of us, and although he may not feel superior about this, I fucking do!

LMM I meant... though it feels kinda good getting his initials wrong

R27 has never listened to a Cockney (or any other person in Britain) describe how "beloved" Dick Van Dyke remains 60 years after his appallingly off eel-brained minstrel act in "Mary Poppins."

R65 Miranda is GenX, born in 1980. Pew has GenX pegged from 1965 to 1980.

As usual, both generations feel the need to invoke Millennials within their own petty inner drama for whatever reason

[quote] Why would IGAF? Who fucking cares?

For that matter, why would IGAF whether you GAF? Who fucking cares about that?

R65 OK Karen. Translation: I'm Very Special and my Brats are Super Super Duper Special. No one cares!

[quote]This stupid intergenerational struggle is just more division between people in society that we don't need

Says the person participating in it

I thought Hamilton was tedious.

"Hamilton" is awful. It's actually annoying, and I can't listen to it. "In The Heights" isn't my favorite either, but it is the better of the two.

He IS a talent, but not one that has ever interested me. And I'm a theatre guy. Of course, I prefer straight plays, or plays with music, to full musicals anyway.

R65 Millennials and Boomers really are the corniest generations.

Lin-Manuel Miranda looks like AOC.

R74 I know for a fact Millennials are starting to feel the same way towards GenX the way GenX felt towards Boomers. Older Obnoxious Cunts

Poor Gen X. Ignored by their boomer parents, shunned by the millennials.

[quote]Oh honey, just no. Ask any Brit what they think of Dick van Dyke's Cockney accent in "MP."

Dude really? His bad accent is legendary but still charming and generations have loved him in the movie. The British gave us Lawrence Olivier and his ridiculously bad accents, so pipe down.

[quote] Lawrence Olivier

R78 When will you Americans learn how to spell 'Laurence'? Call him Larry if you want.

Larry Oliver

The best part of that article was when the author claims we are now having “franker discussions about race.” Uh, no, we are not.

WTF is the writer of this article, Meha Razdan anyway and why should anyone give a damn what she says?

R42 Someone should have told her that HAMILTON is a gimmick. Would it have been so overpraised if the characters weren't cast by POC? Tessie Tura, Mazeppa and Electra knew this years ago.

R78 And just which roles are you complaining about? Be specific!

Are you complaining about his Sudanese accent? I have spoken to a film historian who gave a good explanatory rationale for it.

Lynn Miranda is a fucking race exploiter. His songs sucks and GUESS WHAT that bitxh is white as fuck.

She's quite the little opinionated cunt, R81.

[quote]Did he ever hook up with Jonathan Groff?

Lin-Manuel is many things, but gay is not one of them. It's the stupid ponytail and spastic, small dick energy. I imagine sex with him is like someone doing "the worm" on top of you.

Dumb people like LMM, so he’ll always be popular. He’s like a Kardashian (cockroach) of the theater world. He’s not going away any time soon.

So who is R64? And why hasn’t his racist white ass been dragged out into the street and beaten to death for racism yet?

R78: Nope. It’s like nails on a chalkboard. He even had to apologize for it.

Apology not accepted.

Get a restraining order between LMM and Disney.

And now that [italic]The Happiest Millionaire[/italic] is on Disney+ you can watch that instead of suffering through the narcissistic ramblings of that self-hating Australian harridan.

You and the NY Times are crazy r91, no one remotely sane watched that scene and thought of blackface.

R90, he didn't have to apologise in any serious way, it's always been something people take very lightly in the UK, it's a funny part of film history.

Empire Magazine voted Dick Van Dyke in Mary Poppins as #2 and Laurence Olivier in The Jazz Singer as #8 worst accents of all time. He was also terrible in "The 49th Parallel” , "The Boys From Brazil" and so and so on.....

LMM was so invisible in "Mary Poppins Returns", nobody noticed his accent stunk too.

He's proud of being 'a Slytherin' (from the Harry Potter books)!

that video isn't really related, I don't know why I posted it -- Where did the replies in between 88 and 94 go?

I see them, R98. Those replies must be by people you've blocked.

It's a long stretch of trash posts, R98, so congratulations on your good taste in blocking.

I thought he was charming in Mary Poppins Returns and I was meaning to catch Hamilton on streaming but since he signed off on that scolding nonsense “We See You White Broadway” during a fucking pandemic when no one on Broadway was even working he’s dead to me.

[quote] 'We See You White Broadway'

The very slogan is narky, snarky and whiny and something said by Inspector Javert. We don't want that kind of preachy anger in the entertainment business.

And, as it turns out, was written by white women.

R103 Are you talking about Meha Razdan from the OP's link, a British-Indian "culture critic from all over the world"?

R104 No, I was replying to R102 and R103 - the We See You White American Theater letter was written by white women. Come on, context isn't that difficult.

Ugh, I meant I was replying to R101 and R102, of course.

He is a bit smug and overly cutesy poo at times but Lin-Manuel Miranda IS very talented. More so as a writer/content creator than actual performer but In The Heights and Hamilton are both works that will be around for a long time regardless if you hate the man or the music.

And, most people who really hate him and the music and make a big deal out of it, are kinda /sorta/actually quite racist.

[quote] And, most people who really hate him and the music and make a big deal out of it, are kinda /sorta/actually quite racist.

You mean most people who really hate him and the music and make a big deal out of it, are kinda /sorta/actually quite sinful. They are sinners

Did In The Heights bomb because it was available for free on HBO MAX or does the movie suck? Acquiring the rights, production and marketing the movie put the total budget at around $140 million.

Like many very talented people (another example is John Mayer) he knowingly wastes his talent on derivative shlocky media. Chuck Klosterman cites this “Know the Most But Care the Least” attitude as the very definition of evil.

Excuse YOU, R43, it was grape.

I don't think he gives a fuck about you piss-poor plebs' opinions anymore.

[quote]He is an excellent storyteller, which is a natural for articulate attention seekers. Decent lyricist, mediocre composer, and enthusiastic but terrible performer. Ironically, his performing (combined with his writing) is why he is famous

... because he casts himself in literally everything he writes. He's smarter than people give him credit for, in that sense.

It always seemed to me, a Gen Xer, that Millennials loved Hamilton performatively--showing how down they are with hip hop and representation--not because it was a great musical. And LMM was always cringey.

Wait, so colorblind casting isn't aging well? Who could've seen that coming?! Honestly though, it works with some stuff such as comic book films, where the characters are totally fictional, but when you have people of color in positions of power during a time when their fellow kind are enslaved, brutalised and raped, it sends out a weird message and not a progressive one.

R114 I use Hamilton as a litmus test with people I might get to know. If they like Hamilton they are either idiots or liars, the latter being the worse offense. Hamilton is objectively awful but it had all the correct cultural signifiers.

R15 They shove PLENTY of annoying white entertainers down our throats, too…

R62 So you want artists of color to not want white people to buy their product?! Good luck with that.

FOLLIES >>>>>>>>>> HAMILTON

If you like Hamilton (even a smidge!), you are an idiot or a liar. Take your pick!

Follies or Hamilton? Only one. Take your pick!

What’s “Follies” and where can I see it?

Follies is a show many consider to be the high point of postwar musical theater. It sets two archetypal couples’ marital troubles in the middle of a reunion for pre-war show business types at a crumbling theater about to be demolished. It’s a metaphor for aging and for the crumbling of an America dream that was never really quite so perfect.

The show itself argues against glamorizing the past. Ironically, the original production has proven so definitive that many think the show has never again worked nearly as well.

You can see it in movie theaters a few days this fall when the NT production is re-broadcast. Otherwise, it’s cast recordings and imagination.

When he appears on the screen, I hit MUTE. We've had enough of him!

Regardless of how much some of you hate Miranda, the piece is typical Buzzfeed "trying to create a trend where none really exists" nonsense and employing someone who has no idea what they are talking about

The author's bio tells you everything you need to know "Meha Razdan is a British-Indian writer, journalist, and culture critic from all over the world, currently based in Los Angeles. She graduated from the University of Oxford and has had work appear in Cherwell, HerCampus, and OffColour."

So she's a Brit, living and working in the UK, and trying to understand the intricacies of Puerto Rican nationalism and American's reaction to Trump, while using some random tweets and TikTok videos she found as "proof."

She completely and totally misses that Miranda's fame is not being driven by Millennnials but by our parents--Boomers--who are buying all those $1K Hamilton tickets and pretending they like the rap lyrics he writes because it makes them feel hip and absolves them of guilt for not liking all the usual "Fuck N-Word Bitch! Fuck N-Word Bitch!" ones.

[quote] and absolves them of guilt for not liking all the usual "Fuck N-Word Bitch! Fuck N-Word Bitch!" ones.

To be fair, those types are unpalatable to just about everybody.

I'm so sick of hearing about him, but when is Gen Z going to realize we're also thoroughly sick of hearing about Lil Nas X as well? We're sick of Billie Eilish, etc...

Oddly enough R126, even though I am only 36, I often go weeks without hearing about Lil Nas X or Billie Eilish

Maybe try more age appropriate media?

R127 - “Maybe try more appropriate media.”

Absolutely this. If your news feed contains data pertaining to mainstream media trash like “Billy Eilish and Lil Nasty X,” you definitely need a reboot.

I agree that LMM is trash but Buzzfeed News won a Pulitzer last week for reporting on China's detention of Muslims. It's a separate entity from the quiz site. That article had no business being under that vertical.

Some celebrities are hard to avoid because they're everywhere. The Kardashians, for example. You just can't get away from them.

[quote] even though I am only 36, I often go weeks without hearing about Lil Nas X or Billie Eilish

"Only" 36? That's not exactly young.

For DL it's almost still a fetus R131

Again, the only place I ever see reference to the Kardashians is on DL

Ultimately the problem with LMM is not generational but merely overexposure. In addition to In The Heights, he has this coming out this year…

And this…

And this

..,and the upcoming PR debacle for LMM is that he is a passes-for-white Puerto Rican who has plastered himself onto stories ostensibly about Cubans and Colombians. Believe me, they will not be kind to him.

LMM can’t help being cringe when in the company of great faggotry.

r133 you're not really connected to the world at large, then. Those whores are all over the place for people who consume various media.

Isn't Washington Heights as much or more inhabited by people from the Dominican Republic than by folks from Puerto Rico? They aren't the same.

No one is accusing him of being white passing. Jesus Christ.

[quote] Isn't Washington Heights as much or more inhabited by people from the Dominican Republic than by folks from Puerto Rico? They aren't the same.

Crocodile, alligator...

"In The Heights" Bombs At Box-Office!

Lin-Manuel's collapse is complete.

Does Anthony Ramos always sound eerily like Lin Manuel Miranda while speak-singing and rapping, or was he doing a very uncanny LMM impression in this movie? Because he had every LMM inflection down pitch-perfect.

Not really R143

This is the spin in Hollywood as noted in the THR link you provided

[quote] Like all 2021 Warner Bros. titles, In the Heights is debuting simultaneously on HBO Max because of the challenges posed by the pandemic. It is impossible to know exactly how much business that is taking away in terms of box office grosses, but the feel-good pic may be more impacted than other genres since musicals often play to older adults, and especially older females. Consumers over 35 are the most reluctant to return to the multiplex, according to NRG surveys. At the same, musicals have a decidedly mixed track record at the office.

Twitter is going after him ruthlessly now

[quote]Wait, so colorblind casting isn't aging well?

Hamilton does not use colour-blind casting, it uses colour-conscious casting. The casting breakdowns specify the actor needs to be a specific race for a role, it's the total opposite of colour-blind casting.

R147 Ugh, "casted" really?

Super Woke Twitter is not keeping Miranda in business, Tweet Reposter.

It's wealthy suburban White Women with the means to pay hundreds if not thousands for Hamilton tickets, and their teenage daughters.

I tried to watch it when it was on Disney+ and could not get through the first half hour, but it clearly has a sizable fan base.

If you're going to spam Twitter links at least copy and paste what they say in the post where you link to them. Most people aren't going to bother clicking.

I had to keep stopping and starting "Hamilton" to get through it on Disney+. It looks like LMM's incessant quest for fame (by trying to put himself into everything (a documentary on "Fiddler on the Roof"? WTF) is starting to really build up a backlash with his use of race in his shows. It seems he used darker-hued actors in "Hamilton" playing slave owners and lighter skinned ones in "In the Heights" and many POCs aren't happy about it.

[quote] It seems he used darker-hued actors in "Hamilton" playing slave owners and lighter skinned ones in "In the Heights" and a handful of POCs on Twitter aren't happy about it.

Fixed

Thanks, LMM O'PU!

R159 Exactly.

I tried to watch Hamilton on Disney, too and found it unbearable to watch. I think Lin-Manuel overacts and is a ham. He grabs all the attention from the other actors he works with. In that regard he reminds me of Nathan Lane.

Nathan Lane can many times be over the top, but he can scale it down when he wants to, and he really can act. It's just his range isn't that wide. Lin-Manuel just thinks he can act and sing, and he really can't, especially noticeable when he's surrounded by people who are really good. But since his shows are hiring lots of people, it seems no one wants to be the one to tell him that as a performer, he's .... lacking. Even in shows like "Merrily We Roll Along" which he didn't write, but was in, disappointingly, at City Center, since people want to be hired for his shows.

So Hamilton was like the Wokest thing ever but now it's horrendously racist. Things change so fast these days!

Is Lin-Manuel Miranda becoming Datalounge's new Andy Cohen?

Cohen at least admits that he's gay. Dunno about LMM.

Ishmael Reed would agree.

Lin-Manuel Closet Queen

LMM's raps remind me so much of that period in advertising about 25 years ago where a bunch of corporations and nonprofits decided awkward peppy out-of-touch raps were the most effective way for their message to reach the youth.

LMM's popularity and bankability is due to wealthy Upper-Middle-Class Social Justice Warriors.

I’ll confess I am one of those basic white liberals who loved Hamilton and find LMM perfectly likable. His corny, nerdy theatre kid schtick is just incredibly inoffensive to me. I just don’t care that much.

I have no intention of seeing this expensive musical but why did they write a musical about Patrick Hamilton instead of George Washington?

Alexander Hamilton, though frankly, I think I'd rather see a musical about George Hamilton and perhaps, the making of "Where the Boys Are". With Kelly Clarkson as Connie Francis and Sutton Foster as Cricket.

Who is Alexander Hamilton? And why on earth should I care?

He's on your money, if you're American.

I hope R174 is not American.

Those tweets are ridiculous!

I just came back from seeing In the Heights. I'd never seen the stage show, but was it as directionless and meandering as the movie? 2 and a half hours to tell a story that thin? You've gotta be shittin' me. Mamma Mia had more thought put into it than this. All the performers were talented and the musical numbers were directed with a ton of imagination and creativity, but the story is so boring. Nothing ever seems to be at stake. You don't care about the romance between the two leads or if the old lady lives or dies or if anyone wins the fucking lottery. It made me sick to my stomach to see so many talented people wasting their time on such a predictable piece of fluff.

I've seen quite a few people saying it's better if you watch it on 1.5 speed, apparently even the music sounds better like that.

If I had known this would happen, I would have turned down the sequel of that movie for which I turned down the original.

[quote] You don't care about the romance between the two leads or if the old lady lives or dies.

Someone in the other thread told us that this musical has no protagonists.

R154 I’m not a fan of Miranda, nor do I dislike him. I’ve never seen Hamilton. What annoys me are these nasty little tearer-downer tweets. Miranda can act or write because he didn’t openly prostrate himself before the BLM mob? He didn’t speak out against it. These pathetic Twitter cunts should go try to create something themselves and let Miranda do his own thing. But… They can’t. They are only good at anonymously shitting on people.

[quote] These pathetic Twitter cunts should go try to create something themselves and let Miranda do his own thing. But… They can’t. They are only good at anonymously shitting on people.

That basically sums up everything that's wrong with Twitter. A bunch of losers who don't work at anything or create anything and just bitch and whine.

I'm not even much of a fan of Miranda, but he doesn't deserve the vitriol these losers are hurling at him.

From a strict hip-hop perspective, Lin-Manuel Miranda's rapping and lyrics are indeed corny, but very effective in the Broadway format because he has excellent story-telling abilities and understanding of the musical genre structure including foreshadowing and motifs. He will continue to thrive on Broadway and Disney, but no chance of making it as a recording artist.

His weaknesses are glaring in this video from a BET cypher (LMM's lyrics are just cringe in this context) with two of his Hamilton castmates, Renée Elise Goldsberry (who holds her own) and Daveed Diggs (who's an actual real rapper) joined by Black Thought from The Roots.

To answer OP's question, no he's not. He has a ton of yet to be released projects.

[quote]He will continue to thrive on Broadway and Disney

Then Broadway and Disney are doomed.

I’m watching ‘In the Heights’ now and while I’m awake and following the story just fine, I have no plan or intention of ever watching it again.

Many show continued to run after the movie. It should do fine when it re-opens but let's see if the ridiculous throngs still show up now that the original is available in their living rooms.

SNL called him "NPR's favorite rapper" which kind of says it all.

This is clearly about Lin.

I’m with r178. There were only good guys, and the conflicts that were there (like the main guy’s dilemma about going back to the island) were resolved without dramatic tension or personal sacrifice. Bland, very bland.

Oh dear. In the clip at r190 they wrote “Who’s [sic] parents paid for this?” at around 2:05.

Finally finished the movie. I wonder if it played better on Broadway. Sorry, but it felt like one giant music video to me. With JLo, Ricky Martin, Camilla Cabello, J Balvin and Maluma.

Ignore the hype. It is NOT an Oscar contender.

“In The Heights” is now being called out for its lack of Afro Latin actors which is a problem considering the majority of the population in upper Manhattan is black mixed with Latin.

Also, it’s a flop. LMM is over.

It's a huge flop.

The director, John Chu, who also made sure to not cast any darker skinned Asian people in "Crazy Rich Asians," actually got confronted very nicely in an interview about this about why there were no Afro-Caribbean darker skinned people in the main cast and he outright explicitly said that none of the darker skinned actors who auditioned were good enough. As other people noted, In The Heights is already a very low stakes story except for the deportation story with Sonny, but John Chu chose to cut out the subplot of Nina's father not wanting her to date a black man, which would've at least added some tension to that extremely boring storyline. He also admitted in the same interview that he just didn't know all that much about the nuances between the different Caribbean cultures depicted in the film. I also personally didn't enjoy the music video style rapid cuts through all the choreographed numbers.

In a nutshell: John Chu was perhaps not the optimal choice for directing this film.

it's a niche film for a niche audience. It was never going to be a mass favorite.

Only played 1,213 performances on Broadway vs Hairspray 2673

Millennial here. Hamilton is not something that completely belongs to millennials like Mean Girls. It was about as mainstream as a Pixar movie. I don't know what this article is on about.

Agree R198.

As I had noted in an earlier post, if anything, it belongs to our Boomer mothers who are the ones willing to pay insane amounts for the tickets.

R184, no, LMM is not a good story teller. I’m that’s the problem. His strengths are that he’s ambitious, nice and, as far as the three components of a musical go - book, music and lyrics - he’s probably best at lyrics, which isn’t to say he’s good.

As a songwriter he can't write a good hook to save his life. There's not one memorable leitmotif in any of his musicals. The "storytelling" in In The Heights was the book by Quiara Alegría Hudes, not LMM, and he didn't exactly write the story for Hamilton either - it was based on another guy's book.

And yet John Chu's direction and imagination are the only interesting parts of this movie. The script is horrible. There's absolutely zero conflict throughout the movie and, when a movie is pushing 3 hours, that means a lot. It reminded me, of all things, Sex and the City 2 where they felt the need to stretch a 22 minute TV episode into a 2 and a half hour movie.

Yes, he is over.

R203 That's actually really surprising

[quote]Warner Bros. President of domestic theatrical distribution Jeff Goldstein told the AP that whenever these Warner Bros. movies pop at the box office, they often equally translate as well in viewers on HBO Max. “Our experience, which is backed up on In the Heights, is that if the movie hits a high level in theaters, it hits a high level on the service,” Goldstein said. “If it hits a low level in theaters, it hits a low level on HBO Max. They’re really very comparable.”

And from the AP article it mentions:

[quote]“We always thought that the movie has to do the heavy lifting,” said Jeff Goldstein, distribution chief for Warner Bros. “Even though it came in at a lighter level than we had expected, we’re proud of the movie that’s there and over time the hope is that we can get an audience to sample the movie and tell their friends to.”

So even Warner is admitting it underperformed both in the cinema and on streaming.

This is probably a movie which should have not been made without stars.

Even Steven frickin' Spielberg caved to the necessity of marquee power by casting Ansel Elgort in West Side Story.

Remember "In The Heights" sat on the shelf for a year, "Hamilton" was still hot and not in everyone's living room, killing some of mystique. It might have done better last year. Timing is everything.

But A Quiet Place II also sat of the shelf for a year and is doing well. There just wasn't much demand for this.

There's something called reversion to the mean in finance, when markets go high and then inevitably, crash and go back to some regular level. In show biz, you can be really hot, then eventually most crash, at least for a while. Julie Andrews was so hot in the mid 1960s then did "Star!" and "Darling Lili" and crashed. Her career and reputation eventually recovered. LMM's been so over-the-top successful and lucky on Broadway, but this seems like he's getting some bad luck in his career. Reversion to the mean.

[quote] LMM's been so over-the-top successful and lucky on Broadway

Mr Miranda’s success is more a testimony to the dismal state of theater than it is proof of the man’s genius.

[quote] I’m not a fan of Miranda, nor do I dislike him. I’ve never seen Hamilton. What annoys me are these nasty little tearer-downer tweets. Miranda can act or write because he didn’t openly prostrate himself before the BLM mob? He didn’t speak out against it. These pathetic Twitter cunts should go try to create something themselves and let Miranda do his own thing. But… They can’t. They are only good at anonymously shitting on people.

You said this better than I could. What a pack of useless idiots. Don’t like Hamilton? Fine, but acting like the guy’s a war criminal is too much.

The annoying, over-exposed Lin Manuel-Miranda is the male equivalent of Chrissy Teigen and is in danger of developing the "donald touch."

Yep, over. Stick a tenedor in him.

R208, you could have just said his collapse is complete like a normal DLer.

A friend of mine's Millennial daughter told her that all she knows about American history is what she learned from "Hamilton."

WE.ARE.DOOMED.

Gen Z drags everyone, and millennials are relieved it’s not one of them for once after receiving 20 years of abuse from Gen Z and Boomers.

His rapping is… not good.

I love how Twitter scolds get to decide who is “of color.”

R 208 And Julie Andrews had/had/has great talent. LM-M got a lot of advantages by capitalizing off gimmicks like reverse race casting. If his projects, some of which aren't released, don't make a lot of money, they'll stop using him. It seems some of the tide has already turned. Plus after "Hamilton" can be seen for less than the asking price on Broadway, it may not run quite as long as he and the producers hoped. But he'll continue to make money. Plus, while it's a nice thing he and partners purchased the Drama Bookshop, there's apparently a big shrine devoted to all things LMM, which is kind of ultra-narcissistic and rather pathetic.

Bullied in high school!

[quote]This is probably a movie which should have not been made without stars.

I thought the casting was perfect, actually. They're fresh and new and don't dominate other cast members. The problem is the writing with lack of story to get invested in: they should've leaned on the dreamer story more and also should not have glossed over the interracial love story. Only the grandmother character seemed fully developed.

[quote]His rapping is… not good.

His flow is actually quite nice as a rapper. It's just that his lyrics would be considered too corny in the hip hop scene, even though he's good at wordplay.

[quote] wordplay

What is wordplay apart from the occasional rhyme?

Is there intelligence or insight contained in the lyrics.

I know an author says ‘rhymes catch the ear like honey catches the tongue, or colour catches the eyes'.

R220 Nasal, squeaky, embarrassing. I can’t get to the end.

^ Yes, squeaky and whiney.

What he can't do is sing.

He's apologised for the Afro-Latino erasure.

R217 He also has the advantage of the Hamilton movie rights (not for the filmed stage version, but the movie musical rights), so studios will likely give him whatever he wants as long as they think they could get the Hamilton screen rights. Will be interesting to see if the muted response to In the Heights impacts that in any way.

Maybe that can be framed and mounted prominently in the LMM shrine in the Drama Book Shop.

How can "Hamilton" be done as a movie? The whole concept of it is anti-realistic.

Will it be filmed in a pseudo-realistic setting or a studio? Will the characters be shown at home, in carriages or with their servants attending to them? The whole idea is a can of worms.

'Cats' was OK on stage but a disaster on screen.

[quote]Cats' was OK on stage but a disaster on screen.

Hey,

R228 - No Hamilton movie in the foreseeable future especially given the success of the filmed staged performance. He will dangle the rights for as long as he can until, finally, some misguided (and greedy) studio snaps it up. The only thing going for the future movie version is that quite a few of the cut songs are genuinely good, but the original Broadway cast have some pretty big shoes to fill and I can't think of any current young actors who would do the roles justice.

He just directed "Tick, Tick Boom" so he'll hold the rights for himself.

Thanks R167, that was fantastic.

ROFL

[quote]These pathetic Twitter cunts should go try to create something themselves and let Miranda do his own thing.

As a creator, he's making art (or in this case a film) to be viewed by the public.

Twitter is a small segment of the public, and while sometimes they're completely off base, foaming at the mouth, insane people, sometimes they're not. Twitter hates James Corden, for no real reason, and I think he's one of the more easy-to-watch hosts. There are a few other people like that and I just don't get it. They also don't like Lin but they may not be entirely wrong there.

Dark Skinned Latinos arguing with Light Skinned Latinos on Twitter is one thing.

It's another when he's told he has to apologize, the cast is giving terrible interviews responding to it, it's spreading from "Twitter" to actual magazines and newspaper, reviewers are picking up on it, the trade magazines like Hollywood Reporter and Deadline are reporting on it and yes the film is performing below expectation.

So in this instance, while Twitter is still a garbage dumpster fire site, they picked up on something that they're not alone in seeing: it's not well done, there's a lack of conflict and it doesn't represent the area that it's supposed to be talking about.

All of those things are valid criticisms that people would be annoyed at even if it wasn't a movie about an actual area people can visit. How many discussions on here have involved, "WELL THIS SHOW IS HISTORICALLY INACCURATE BECAUSE THE POPULATION OF THE AREA IN 1847 DIDN'T HAVE ..."

However, Twitter doesn't know how to have a constructive conversation and most people don't take them seriously after years of going mad whenever someone flinches incorrectly.

When does this end.....

So I wonder if Emily Blunt and Lin Manuel-Miranda have chatted since the weekend....?

You know, they could’ve fixed that in makeup.

It’s rife in Latin America. Look at how whitewashed telenovelas are with all-white casts in non-white majority countries.

Latinos have a huge racial pecking order. The white Lationos of pure European Spanish are at the top and everybody else is under them.

R226, someone will try to do it I'm sure but I can't imagine the Hamilton film rights are worth much, esp. now given the Disney version. Hamilton is really a triumph of staging and that's not going to transfer to film very well (see Dreamgirls). Do people really want to see the original cast have yet another go at this only trapped in a more realistic production design? The script itself is all explanatory - total death for any proper drama. It'd be like watching people act out a high school level history report.

Would Colonial NY have mostly POCs as extras in the cast? Wouldn't white people stick out if this was done somewhat realistically on film? I don't think "Hamilton" would work -- I didn't care for most of it, but the best parts were the staging and Daveed Digg's performance.

I don't know why the cast weight into it. They should've just said, "I'm not a producer on this film or a casting director. As a Latino, I'm lucky to have a job myself."

Why can't people realize that anytime actors who are not white, hetero, or cis get exposure, it's a good thing. Why can't we all just be happy for each other? Not every minority group needs to be featured in every story. Let people tell their own stories for Christ's sake. I'm so sick of seeing movies with a mostly all minority cast and people say "ok, that's great and all, but what about this group of this group? Where are the people with Asperger's and those in wheelchairs? What about those with peanut allergies? Why are we not being represented?"

[quote] even though he's good at wordplay.

Uhhhh... no...

BURR: The Mercer legacy is secure.

HAMILTON: Sure.

I think Johnny Mercer would agree.

How do the Hamilton super fans gloss over the lack of Indigenous representation in the show? A whole musical about fighting over land that didn't belong to either group and who both had a hand in stealing that land from its original inhabitants.

"Give It Back to the Indians" Ella

But…. But…. He’s so scrappy!

I forget that people of 100% Spanish origin are not considered white in America.

[quote]Not every minority group needs to be featured in every story. Let people tell their own stories for Christ's sake.

The problem is that Washington Heights is an actual place and the creative team made a big deal about their connections to it, so it's not weird that people are asking if the story represents the area

If the story was, "Peyton Place West" or some imaginary thing, there would be no discussion.

[quote]I'm so sick of seeing movies with a mostly all minority cast and people say "ok, that's great and all, but what about this group of this group? Where are the people with Asperger's and those in wheelchairs?

This is Latinos arguing with Latinos. This has nothing (for once) to do with anyone else.

R231 He's still gonna need a studio to fund and distribute it

R242 Why on earth would you think they'd use the original cast for a film version? And the book would be rewritten for a film.

He has a cookie smelling face I've just realized.

R245 This is a movie about an actual real place: Washington Heights. The days when when a show like Friends could go 10 seasons pretending there are no black people in New York are over.

But there are black characters in the movie. Maybe only one of them is a main character, but the only white characters I saw were in the background. That's progress. The movie might still suck, but casting wise, it's diverse.

He was another like perv Matt Gaytz that has always confused my usually dependable gaydar.

The main Black character in the movie is not Afro-Latino. He is the only non-Spanish-speaking character and in the play there was racial tension because his girlfriend's father was not receptive to his daughter being with a black man. Afro-Latinos have been erased from a movie about Washinton Heights.

Meh - I don't really care what a 24 year old (max age of Gen Z) has to say about anything in life. They have no life experience and don't know what they're talking about.

All they have is criticism right now - they haven't done shit.

Have a seat Gen Z and shhhh...the adults are speaking.

R225 Haha In The Heights first appeared 15 years ago. He’s had over a decade to make the darker Dominican WH population seen in the musical.

Colorism is a major thing in the Latino and Asian communities, which is probably why the director didn’t catch it.

Oh this is shameful

[quote]The days when when a show like Friends could go 10 seasons pretending there are no black people in New York are over.

In the environs the Friends patronized, it was mostly white people. Esp. back in the 90s.

[quote]Lin-Manuel Miranda is over?

We can only hope...

[quote]The days when when a show like Friends could go 10 seasons pretending there are no black people in New York are over.

Sweetheart I was on the Upper East Side two days ago and I could count on one hand the number on non-whites I saw on Lexington Avenue.

Well, at least Natalie Wood isn't in it.

[quote] In the environs the Friends patronized, it was mostly white people. Esp. back in the 90s.

The 1990s, sweetie. Or the 1790s.

The View weighs in:

[quote]Sweetheart I was on the Upper East Side two days ago and I could count on one hand the number on non-whites I saw on Lexington Avenue.

'Friends' was set on the Upper East Side? Wow, then it's even more implausible than I thought.

Friends was set in the West Village in the 90s and depicted almost no gay men.

r266 I guess you weren't there. You just didn't see many non-white faces in coffee shops, bars, at art gallery openings, etc. The crowds were very white.

He was on The Daily Show last night . . .

Wasn’t the east side where the Jeffersons moved on up to?

[quote]Sweetheart I was on the Upper East Side two days ago and I could count on one hand the number on non-whites I saw on Lexington Avenue.

1. George

2, Louise

3. Mrs. Jefferson

4. Lionel

5, Helen (a/k/a Mrs. Zebra)

Friends was set downtown near Washington Square Park.

R274 - no, it wasn't. It's one block off Christopher street on Bedford. It's far West Village. Walkable to WSP, but not really 'near' it.

I think R275 is correct.

[quote]He’s had over a decade to make the darker Dominican WH population seen in the musical.

He's not over because he doesn't make media for Hispanics or Afro-Hispanics. He makes media for white people, particularly upper middle class white women with a multiculturalism/poterty fetish. He's like the Hispanic version of JD Vance.

It will be interesting to see if his longtime PR Ken Sunshine and his cohorts can get him out of this debacle. I’m not sure they know how to handle racism cancellation.

Most people I have seen are just disappointed and not trying to cancel him, especially since a) the casting wasn't entirely his responsibility by any means and b) he earned a lot of good will with Hamilton giving so many actors of color the opportunity for big roles and c) he's on a very convincing apology tour right now playing dumb and earnest.

He's probably a decent guy but what it comes down to, personally, is I can't abide hip hop. He's also way over exposed and completely miscast in MP Returns.

It's not like he is Anthony Newley who could write great songs with Leslie Bricusse and then star in his shows with a terrific (and, ok, singular) voice to back it up. LMM can't sing, act or dance --- like Lina Lamont, as a performer, he's a triple threat. Noel Coward was also a fine performer in his shows. LMM is better as a writer, and he's overpraised there because he's being playing the politics. Now, the politics are backfiring on him.

r282, your last two sentences sum things up perfectly!

The goatee has got go.

Here's my two cents from a very white Latino with green eyes, pale skin, Latino no less. First, I'm not a musical theater guy, so my opinion is biased. Didn't realize LMM was so terrible with Spanish. He's JLo level of bad Spanish. Spanglish all the way.

I have relatives both from South Bronx and Washington Heights and they're white as well. I think LMM's experience reflects his whiteness and don't understand what's the problem with that?

I read somewhere his block was like that, so what? Stay in your line, this is unbelievable, for these people to demand things from Latinos, back off self centered assholes.

As for the film, boring hetero fantasy from a closet-case, enough said. I find musicals laughable enough with all the camp, but at least I can enjoy a number of two. This one I sat through to satisfy my grandma.

White hispanics are as racist as white anglos.

They both benefit from anti-Blackness.

And so do those Crazy Rich Asians.

If you go to the upscale neighborhoods in Mexico City everybody is of European Spanish heritage, the only Mestizos you see will be service workers.

Miranda means “she who is to be wondered at.”

[quote]I have relatives both from South Bronx and Washington Heights and they're white as well. I think LMM's experience reflects his whiteness and don't understand what's the problem with that?

Because he set the movie not among PRs like himself but specifically in the Dominican community. Dominicans don’t see race as “black” or “white” but they do identify as mixed, tend to be darker and have Afros.

He didn’t grow up in WH R285, he grew up in Inwood.

Inwood is also considered little Dominican Republic, isn't it?

There are no little Dominicans.

Musical theatre is sooo bad, I can't believe it's not dead yet

Little Dominican is how many Latinos, including my grandparents, refer to places with a lot of Dominicans.

No R291. It’s substantially whiter and has a large Jewish population.

^^in other words, it's a nice place to live with little crime.

[quote]He’s had over a decade to make the darker Dominican WH population seen in the musical.

Is a "darker Dominican" have a specific look? Because I'm watching it now and the opening features people of all colors. Are they talking about the lead actors?

They are. Blacks now want to hijack even Latino narratives. Fuck that, let Latinos tell our stories.

I’d suck a fart out of his ass,

Every fucking song sounds exactly alike.

R282 I applaud you for making that quite valid comparison with Coward.

And I bet Noël and all the other entertainers from the 20th century were glad they didn't have to cope with all the madness with which 21st century entertainers have to battle.

My Cuban friend was dating a Dominican man and referred to it as “DominicanLand”, with a dismissive wave of her hand.

(He was married, of course.)

A Puerto Rican acquaintance of mine told me that Dominicans are "ghetto." When you hear that coming from a Puerto Rican, it's pretty startling.

By startling, do you mean racist? Because I've been to both the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico and I know which one had much better practices of tourism and hospitality.

He’s really hot, it’s too bad his musicals are so awful.

R300, the only song that stands out to me is “You’ll Be Back”. It would not surprise me if someone else wrote it.

^ He's written a lot of catchy songs. You know he wrote the songs for 'Moana', right?

I think LMM is very hurt by the attacks, especially the personal ones.

R307: I saw one of the numbers and it looked like "Let it Go On The Water."

[quote]They are. Blacks now want to hijack even Latino narratives. Fuck that, let Latinos tell our stories.

If that's your argument, then you should argue that LMM tell PR stories and leave Dominican ones alone.

But that's not your point is it, Gina Rodriguez.

[quote]You know he wrote the songs for 'Moana', right?

We're all aware and not one song was catchy except for "How Far I'll Go" and it's only catchy because the film repeated it approximately 700 times.

Toni Morrison hated "Hamilton" and prior to her death, was one of the biggest investors in a show called "The Haunting of Lin-Manuel Miranda"!

[quote]He's written a lot of catchy songs. You know he wrote the songs for 'Moana', right?

R307, Let's be real here: none of them were memorable. Let me know when he creates a, "Let it Go" from Frozen, which every gay of a certain age memorized within a month right alongside many other people who parodied the hell out of it while talking about it non-stop. Disney/Pixar know what they're doing in that department.

I haven't seen Pocahontas since I was a child, but I still remember the lyrics to, "Colors of the Wind."

[quote]But that's not your point is it, Gina Rodriguez.

And this was my first laugh of the day, R310. Thank you for that. She is the absolute worst and she just keeps going every few months.

I don’t know why Gina Rodriguez gets off on being so arrogant and snide and anti-black. She looks like a fetus. That gummy smile and the pisshole-in-the-sand eyes are vomit inducing.

The number of shits I give is less than one.

Bill Maher tells him to stop apologizing.

Stop writing such shitty musicals.