Gavin Macleod is dead to me!!!!!

So young

Captain Stubbing is no longer your Captain! He has been permanently docked! I liked him on the MTM show. I did not watch the Love Boat, but that show was on for years, until the coke whore and insufferable daughter ruined it.

Eta: RIP

Will Isaac be mixing drinks at the funeral?

He never seemed particularly heterosexual to me.

I condole!

R5- No, he pinged on the MTM show, imo, but he really pinged on TLB.

R7- True. The short shorts he wore on The Love Boat were GAY.

Oh christ! *sniff sniff*

I can't *sniff* handle the *sniff* grief!

*sniff sniff*

Someone get me *sniff* a pile of Colombian white, *sniff* a straw and a *sniff sniff* plate of cheese!

He was only in his forties on the MTM show? Holy shit! This is what forties looked like in the Seventies....

Gavin Macleod always pinged for me. And I though Murray was a closet case.

@R9: Oh christ! *sniff sniff*

I can't *sniff* handle the *sniff* grief!

*sniff sniff*

Someone get me *sniff* a pile of Colombian white, *sniff* a straw and a *sniff sniff* plate of cheese!

—Lauren Tewes 😂

That leaves just Ed and Betty.

RIP

Betty White was the oldest Golden Girl and outlived them all, she was also the oldest MTM cast member and has outlived them all except for Ed Asner, who is 7 years her junior at 92!

Gavin and his wife used to eat at the restaurant I owned eons ago. He was just the nicest man.

I can't find any pictures of him when he was really young. Even in "McHale's Navy" days he was bald. I imagine he had a very hairy chest.

He had small roles in Compulsion and I Want to Live when he was younger

[quote]That leaves just Ed and Betty.

What am I -- chopped liver?

R13 and John Amos, if you want to count him.

R10, I was thinking something similar when watching reruns of "All in the Family" recently. Carroll O'Connor and Jean Stapleton were in their late 40s when that show began. I'm 52, so now I wonder if the young'uns see me the same way I saw Archie and Edith back then--OLD.

Gavin Macleod seemed like such a QUEEN on MTM the way he adored Mary in such a NON sexual way.

r20 it's crazy that O'Connor and Stapleton were only in the forties back then, as well. 60 year-olds today don't look that rough.

Oh no!

R20- In the early 1970's Carroll O'Conner already looked or seemed like someone who was well into his 60's,

[quote]So young

So closeted

There was a brief moment in early Love Boat years he had a real fuckable daddy look.

Then he found Jeebus and it all went to shit.

This is Ted Knight from season 1 of the MTM show. He was 47. This was what 47 looked like in 1970!

I think we all need some Kleenex

Gavin in "Peter Gunn" (1958), was already bald, but still doable.

He’ll never again smell like a captain.

[quote]I think we all need some Kleenex

I know I do (sniff).

For a time he was a mighty fine daddy.

Here's the younger version on "My Favorite Martian" 1965.

So long Big Chicken

He would've look a lot younger with a toupee in MTM.

Susan Dey never guest starred on "The Love Boat," so she may actually comment on this one!

R34 It looks like he's wearing a toupee in the clip at R32.

I read his autobiography last summer. It was very enjoyable, and seemed pretty honest about his drinking and infidelities.

[quote] he really pinged on TLB.

Captain Stubing was a big ol' queen. Check out this scene. A male stripper (played by Brian Kerwin) tosses his pants at Captain Stubing (2:20 mark). At the 2:40 mark, the captain is actually sniffing them.

Just one more to go til I outlive two full casts, bitches!

RIP Captain oh Captain

Even Coco, the Gay Cook r39!

Caught him on Perry Mason a few times. Played the same character over and over.

I’m sure Ed will be on Twitter soon saluting yet another dead cast member. I heard Gavin hated the script for the Love Boat, but practicality won out, did it for the cash, and he had a steady paycheck for a show that ran longer than MTM. Fun fact (not so fun for him) he was the only MTM cast member not to be Emmy nominated. Always liked him. He had some truly hilarious moments on MTM, and his affable, paternal personality fit well on TLB.

I hope no one breaks out in laughter at his funeral service.

RIP, Gavin. I always thought he was hilarious on MTM. The following is from his obit in THR:

[quote]When he auditioned for the show, “They wanted to see me for Lou Grant. Great part, but I wouldn’t believe myself bring [Mary’s] boss … but I liked this guy Murray Slaughter,” he recalled in a 2003 interview with the Archive of American Television.

[quote]After he told producers he thought he would be better off as Murray, he walked past actor Ed Asner, who was pacing in the hallway before his audition. Asner, of course, got the part of Lou.

R43, See R23

A little song, a little dance,

a little seltzer down your pants.

I loved this as a kid, I love it as an adult

Come aboard!

We're expecting you.

The Betty White curse is real!

Has anyone checked on Lauren to make sure she not set off and using again?

Will there be a burial at sea?

[quote] The elder of two sons, he was born Allan George See in Pleasantville, New York, to an Irish-Swedish mother who worked for Reader’s Digest and a father who was part Chippewa Native American.

Wow, he must have been seriously packing.

I remember when the girl who played Chrissy's clumsy cousin started on Three's Company. She was like 19 but looked 45.

[quote] I read his autobiography last summer. It was very enjoyable, and seemed pretty honest about his drinking and infidelities.

With women???

He called Helen Lawson a slut!

Well, that's a club with a lot of members.

"Oh Boy! Rock just called and asked us to come over"

Marcia has something to say!!!

And love ... won't hurt anymore.

He and Ann B. Davis (Alice, the live-in maid on "The Brady Bunch") both pinged and were both talking about their religion.

He had a hot ass. .

He was Uncle Stu on King of Queens.

"Dear, ineffectual Murray"

[quote] He had small roles in...I Want to Live when he was younger

That’s I Want to Live! with Miss Susan Hayward.

Thanks for taking a third-rate Shirley Temple wannabe aboard the Princess. Vicki hopes to see you again soon!

[quote] Come aboard! —Charon

I loved when she guest starred on The Love Boat! Cuchi cuchi!

Have Charo and Pat Klous put out statements?

R59 I assume those “deep convos” were about how they both went from drugs to Jesus?

[quote]The elder of two sons, he was born Allan George See

LOVE his candies!

Coochi Coochi Capitan Muerto!

once upon a time.......very doable

I'm still here!

Sadly, Stubing was predeceased by his first wife, the unforgettable Stacy Skogstad.

Dear, dear Captain Shtubing! Sho shorry I never gueshted on the Pashific Prinshess. Shmooth shailing to you, shir!

My eyes, r75, MY EYES!!!

Liza was on Love Boat, r76?

He sold the repro Empress Carlotta necklace to Rob.

Only a queen could have pulled this off!

r72 He's not in that picture.

Nkkl

Four Queens

With DL fave Mitzi Gaynor

Great picture, r83!

Betty White is next!!

Sounds more like Ed Asner is next. He sounds ready to go.

Interesting to think about the number of people he'd worked with in his career. Love Boat alone guest starred everyone from Gish to Warhol.

Love Boat was kind of boring, IMO. I never got into watching it.

r72, if you're referring to the shirtless young man in the shorts, that would be Gary Vinson, of the cast of McHALE'S NAVY. Hot but not as hot as Edson Stroll.

[quote]insufferable daughter ruined it

HATED Vicki Steubing. Hated her and that Luann hairstyle.

Vicki Steubing was the cousin Oliver of Love Boat.

The truth will come out now — he was definitely polishing Asner’s beercan cock in his dressing room between takes.

R89, being boring was the point. It was comfort tv.

Was it just natural causes?

So the only regulars left from MTM are Ed, Betty, John Amos, and Lisa Gerretson.

I think his wife had a designer resale shop on the Upper East Side.

r91 r92 STUBING

Betty White will see the entire casts of MTM and Golden Girls dead and buried before she goes, and possible a selection from Hot in Cleveland too.

Even most of the major GG guest stars are dead. However, Betty will be damned if she goes before that Inga Svenson person.

r100 Swenson

r96 = Jo Ann Worley

It's kinda funny that NBC News just did a nice extended story on him showing clips of both Love Boat and the MTM Show; however, ABC, which was the home of the Love Boat, just gave him about 10 seconds in the "Index" segment of World News Tonight. And there you have it.

Fuck you, R96!

r104 see r102

R80 Love Boat Diva clip..... makes ya kinda wonder just how straight Aaron Spelling was....Dynasty, Matt Houston, LB

Maybe Betty White will also outlive Valerie Bertinelli, Jane Leeves, and Wendy Malick.

Is there anyone still alive from Life With Elizabeth or Date With the Angels? Or has Betty outlived all of them too?

Aaron Spelling was NOT straight. He was a big QUEEN.

^^And UGLY...poor Tori.

R92, Ted and Georgette adopted me and I'm still here!

It was revealed in a biography I read on Rock Hudson that Macleod's batshit religious crazy wife showed up at Hudson's house one day, and was allowed in by one of the staff, with her witch coven in tow as he was on his death bed and barely conscious to hold a prayer vigil meant to completely heal him. The guy who was Hudson's caretaker and best friend said he walked in on them and decided even though it was weird as fuck he'd let them stay since even though it would do no good it also couldn't hurt. After Hudson died that same pack of witches wanted to come to the house before the body was removed to pray for his resurrection. Hudson's friend told them "thanks but no thanks".

R107 or Sandra Bullock!

Hot daddy

He had a beautiful pear shape.

Always a warm personality here at WJM, despite years of diversity. From him I learned that the old adage “an ounce of perversion is worth a pound of cure.” He was my copy writer, but he was also my friend.

Has DL fave Joyce Bulifant commented yet?

Twice already, R118.

THE MARY TYLER MOORE SHOW’s cast has had so many recent cast deaths the last couple of years: Mary (2017), Valerie Harper and Georgia Engel (2019), Cloris Leachman and now Gavin (2021).

The last major death before Mary’s was Ted Knight’s way back in 1986.

Very sad to be losing all of these old tv friends I grew up with.

Has Helen Hunt issued a statement?

Jesus, r120, they were like 118 years old!

Valerie Harper is dead?

I don't think they were 118, r122. My guess is in their 70s, 80s, and 90s. Very few people live to 118, so it really seems unlikely they were that old.

R120 that’s true , I remember going on here maybe around 2015 and some of us saying that aside from Ted Knight ages ago, remarkably everyone’s still alive and that given everyone’s age they’d suddenly start dropping off very fast.

He became a "Love Boat" kind of guest star on an episode of "Murder She Wrote".

Was the episode of Vicki’s arrival when Love Boat jumped the shark?

Lauren Tewes was allergic to sandwiches.

Why did Lauren Tewes get the AND credit, btw? She was no Estelle Getty.

He was miscast and awful on "The Love Boat". Trying to squelch his naturally effeminate mannerisms, he played the Captain too stiff and humorless. A turd in the punchbowl. Someone like Caesar Romero would have been great.

As Murray on MTM he was fine- if he had played a wisecracking gay guy. But times being what they were, they gave him a wife (not sure why there were so many people with New York accents in Minneapolis).

He was definitely gay. In the mid 80’s as AIDS was hitting he had left his wife and was hooking up with a friend of mine in West Hollywood. He was hanging out with new age minister Terry Cole-Whittaker at the time and then her ministry fell apart, he got terrified of getting AIDS and his fucking crazy christian wife had that group of her hags all praying the gay away - so he went back to her. They had a show on TBN for years and looked like the most fucking miserable couple in the world as they talked about keeping Christian marriage together. I felt sad for him and she was a horrible shrew. Actually they got divorced and then he remarried her out of fear of hell and AIDS.

He played Murray very queeny in the first season of MTM. With his mannerisms and speech patterns, the flames could be seen from space. He seemed to be slightly less queeny by season 2. I wonder if he was told to butch up, even a little, starting with the second season.

The person deleted it, but I was in a forum where somebody posted a cast photo of the Mary Tyler Moore Show, and an X was placed over everyone (including Gavin) except Betty White and Ed Asner. That got people going!

Gavin was a big chicken.

Any regard I had for him evaporated when he started hanging out with Jan and Paul Crouch of the TBN Christian fundamentalist TV network.

Not an impressive IBDB...

I wrongly assumed he was in "Bajour".

He played Frank Butler.

R130- or Ricardo Montalban.

R130- Dick Van Patten on Eight Is Enough had a New York accent too, which was never explained.

R4Oh wouldn’t that be wonderful!?

Sheer luck!

He was funny (with toupee) as the sleazy producer C.S. Divot in The Party.

Divot, to Hrundi V. Bakshi: You’re meshuggah.

Bakshi: I am not your sugar.

Divot: Who the hell do you think you are?

Bakshi: In India we don’t think who we are, we know who we are!

[R38], Gavin was indeed sniffing the man's panties!

"Captain Stubing was a big ol' queen. Check out this scene. A male stripper (played by Brian Kerwin) tosses his pants at Captain Stubing (2:20 mark). At the 2:40 mark, the captain is actually sniffing them."

And I'm ok with that. Wherever he was on the sexuality continuum, in this clip, he needed a whiff! And he took it!

Love Boat cast did a virtual reunion about 3-1/2 months ago.

Was the coke virtual this time?

Any relation to Susan Macleod?

R131 The tabloids had Gavin & his religious right cohorts going after Rock Hudson & someone else that I can't recall back in the 80s over their sexuality.

Gavin's TBN show with his wife has numerous ex gay shows about the subject on it. They were awful to watch.

So much love on here for a bigoted shithead that did nothing for our community except run, hide, condemn & misinform.

The brave gays who were true to themselves & died in the 80s & 90s from AIDS, gay bashings, etc. must be rolling over in their graves.

I think most any gay who watched a few eps of 'MTM' and 'The Love Boat' could surmise Gavin had homosexual urges. Captain Stubing served as an innocent dinner escort for the fancypants ladies on board more than Tab Hunter and Rock Hudson combined bearded in their Hollywood heydays.

Btw, the only actor I've ever heard speak ill of him was Dame Joan Collins, when she was forced into guest starring on an ep of 'The Love Boat' by her contract with Aaron Spelling. (All Spelling's actors had to appear on at least one...some did several eps, like Linda Evans.) Anyway, Dame Joan refused to kiss Gavin in a pivotal scene on the ship deck because she believed him to have a herpes sore on his lip. Our Joan...always a bitch!

She was a good girl. May she RIP.

Too bad he lived his life in the closet and only married to live in an imagined purgatory.

R110- Poor RICH Tori

Played a very queeny drug dealer named Chicken on Hawaii Five-O. His character was apparently straight. He was somewhat fatter than his MTM days.

I love you R142.

Why couldn't Murray Slaughter have been born and raised in NYC?

[quote] Someone like Caesar Romero would have been great.

Wasn’t Ceez closeted too?

Anyone ever notice what a hot ass Bernie Kopell had? It was obvious in those white shorts on TLB, but it was REALLY obvious on That Girl.

Gavin was not gay. You dizzy queens think everyone is gay. Jake Gyllenhal, Bradley Cooper, Tom Cruise, Taylor Lautner and all the others you wanted to be gay turned out not to be.

I always wanted to fuck Gopher in his tight little ass with Capt. Stubing watching.

R159- Gopher was the ONLY doable person on the show. I would have licked his balls.

R158, I seriously doubt that anyone on this board "wanted" Gavin to be gay.

R158- Richard Simmons is NOT gay and neither was Paul Lynde .

R153, "Big Chicken"

r158 Go away, frau.

R145, Here's a direct link . . .

R165- Fred Grandy looks so FUCKIN OLD

R165, During the reunion, both Charo and Jack Jones make surprise appearances.

Well, he is, r166.

R166, Lauren Tewes has morphed into Shelley Winters.

Fred Grandy looks like Bill Gates in the zoom video.

He looked 90 in 1969 when MTM started

I had him. Of course I've had everyone

Did you know the producers of MTM wanted him to play Lou Grant? And he auditioned for the role. After he did, he said he'd rather play Murray and they let him have that role instead.

The part of Murray was originally envisioned for Charles Nelson Reilly, and Jack Cassidy was offered the role of Ted Baxter. It would've been a very gay sitcom indeed if that had happened. Perhaps John Amos wouldn't have left.

R173, we heard that scoop from R45 yesterday, but it's such a good story it never gets old.

Murray was always staring at Gordy's crotch. It was distracting.

[quote] Gopher was the ONLY doable person on the show.

Come one, even with his "porn stache," Isaac was doable.

Carroll O'Connor was a CHARACTER ACTOR, he was supposed to look older than he was, he wasn't the poster boy for all people in their forties. Gavin Macleod, same thing. Walter Matthau said he was playing old men in his 20s, and so on. Archie Bunker was a certain type - working class, overweight , bad teeth, thinning hair - that was perfect for Carroll O'Connor. This was not how most 40+ people looked in the 1970s.

R172, I never liked you.

r144 - sniff

[quote] Gavin's TBN show with his wife has numerous ex gay shows about the subject on it.

Can anyone translate this for me?

Did Gavin ever talk about how he chose the name Gavin McLeod? Great name but that's quite the jump from Allan George See.

And did "Love Boat" ever talk about how they chose the name Merrill Stubing?

[quote]You dizzy queens think everyone is gay. Jake Gyllenhal, Bradley Cooper, Tom Cruise, Taylor Lautner and all the others you wanted to be gay turned out not to be.

I love parody. Everyone on this list is a big ol' queen.

The viewers were to believe that Ethel Merman gave birth to Fred Grandy?

Bradley Cooper isn't gay. More wishful thinking.

[quote]R35 Susan Dey never guest starred on "The Love Boat," so she may actually comment on this one!

It would indeed mean a lot to our troubled country if the unrepentant Susan Dey got off her BONY ASS and said something in tribute to Captain Stubing, but of course she won’t.

Her PR people and leading her down a dangerous path.

[quote]R43 Gavin hated the script for the Love Boat, but practicality won out, did it for the cash, and he had a steady paycheck

In that scenario it’s a good series to have, because with such a large cast each week you’d not be in that many scenes.

I suspect that Gavin MacLeod wasn't the producers' first choice to play Capt. Stubing. Or the second or third.

R189, Wasn't John Forsythe Aaron Spelling's go to guy?

No love on here for "McHale's Navy"? Have we finally found a show older than the average DL Eldergay? I thought it was fun, although I couldn't watch through the entire series. I think Lieutenant Carpenter was a gay. Not to mention the pedophile one, whichever that was.

[quote] Valerie Harper is dead?

No Rose, she’s still alive and kicking—she just wanted to get away from it all forever, so they planted her in Hollywood Forever Cemetery.

She’s fine, she sends her love!

R189, McLeod was Aaron Spelling's first choice.

[quote]Susan Dey never guest starred on "The Love Boat," so she may actually comment on this one!

Only superstars need apply for "Love Boat" guest spots.

R193, Let's have Gavin tell us . . .

Gavin was a sexy bear.

r196=Armand Linton

Janet guested on TLB

He was in an episode on Murder She Wrote

Surely the ornery Susan Dey did ONE “Battle of the Network Stars” with MacLeod?

That bitch is just digging herself deeper and deeper.

Betty must've cringed when the GG made fun of her old MTM friends. They got in a dig at Gavin in the ep where Blanche wants plastic surgery, and there were a couple of jokes about Valerie and Sandy Duncan after Valerie's NBC sitcom debacle.

They also had Bea make a croak about Murder, She Wrote

Estelle gets one of the Valerie lines, something to the effect of "Now I know how Valerie Harper feels." You can see Rue visibly cringing at that line.

R201 Valerie narrated Estelle’s Intimate Portrait, so they were obviously friendly (they always had a friend of the celebrity narrate) and if she ever was bothered by the joke she got over it fast.

And Betty really doesn’t seem the type to gaf actually - Bea got hurt/always took jokes personally whereas Betty couldn’t have been more the opposite - I’m sure she figured if people like that can’t take a stupid joke they have no business being in this business to begin with. (They made jokes about Carol Burnett, too)

Bea was good friends with Ben Gazzarra, and the writers slipped in a joke about him. And how about the Regis Philbin joke about him being the most boring person on earth?

How about the "why is everyone staring at a picture of Gavin Macleod?" line when Blanche was considering plastic surgery?

I was wondering when this would turn into a Golden Girls thread.

how long till Follies?

I just fell in love with Gavin from that clip of him at r195. What a sweet sexy man he was, so generous and modest.

When was the last time Betty W. was seen? Has she retired from public view?

R208, Did Gavin know the whereabouts of Jackie's pink suit?

[quote]Archie Bunker was a certain type - working class, overweight , bad teeth, thinning hair - that was perfect for Carroll O'Connor. This was not how most 40+ people looked in the 1970s

Yeah it was. Every one of my teachers looked like that. Look at all the actors in TV and movies in the 70s who were in their 40s.

r210

She just gets up eats and goes to bed with occasional bouts of swearing at Bea Arthur and Mary Tyler Moore. She is rarely even lucid anymore.

Remember when he was on Mary Tyler Moore's Dick Van Dyke Show, playing some shady guy salesman; a cousin of Mel's

Gavin would have been a Theodore Whitman for the ages, r208!

When I was very little (less than ten years old) I always felt a certain attraction to Bernie Kopell.

Yes, I'm a freak. And a lover of geeks.

I ALSO always thought MacLeod was far more attractive on "The Love Boat".

The whole cast of McHale's Navy...........

r216, I think when Gavin's ring of hair went silver it made him a lot sexier.

R207 one of his two major series was with Betty, and there’s a pretty well known GG joke about him...it was inevitable.

That's definitely part of it, R218!

Calling Susan Dey, calling Susan Dey.

Dear, we're waiting for your condolences. Murray Slaughter's family has been very gracious in their patience.

The Mary Tyler Moore Show was simply the best there ever was.

Hang in there Ed and Betty. Do John Amos (81) and Joyce Bulifant (83) count?

And what about that blond guy who was background newsroom staff but never had any lines on camera?

^The blond guy was actually the son of assistant director John Chulay. His character's name was Pete. He had some lines in one episode, the season 4 episode where Mary dates a guy from a rival station. Interestingly enough, his brother also made an appearance in that episode, as a reporter at the rival station. The other guys were named Harlan and Avery. Ted mentioned their names in the season 1 Christmas episode when he was giving out gifts. Otherwise, these background guys were basically "atmosphere" and totally ignored by the main characters. Yes, I'm an MTM geek.

How many days did they actually go out to sea to film Love Boat each episode, did GM have young seamen or Love Boat PAs that regularly serviced him on the voyages?

[quote]When was the last time Betty W. was seen? Has she retired from public view?

Betty White is about seven months away from turning 100. How active do you expect her to be?

[quote]Did Gavin ever talk about how he chose the name Gavin McLeod? Great name but that's quite the jump from Allan George See.

Maybe he was one of Henry Willson's boys.

Loathed him.

[quote]R221 Calling Susan Dey, calling Susan Dey. Dear, we're waiting for your condolences. Murray Slaughter's family has been very gracious in their patience.

This town stood by Miss Dey when she was down and out, making TV trash like “Bed of Lies,” “Lies and Lullabies,” and “Beyond Betrayal.”

The least she could do is support her fellow C-List players with a little sympathy, a little [italic]respect.

Will La Dey break her silence if and when Harry Hamlin goes?

Is there any death watch for the Partridge Family?

My friend worked at a motel in LA once and she said he used to go there with the Brady Bunch dad.

Behind Carol and Marie's backs, r232?

r232, I thought Robert Reed was into much younger twinks...

F210 It's been a few years since Betty's been seen in public, and I'd guess she never will be again. She's supposedly in her right mind still, but has mobility problems and needs assistance to walk.

[quote]Yes, I'm an MTM geek.

R223. Me too! Thanks for the MTM trivia about the blond guy and other newsroom staffers in the background. Yes, I remember Pete saying a few lines.

Hazel Frederick died on Nov 28, 1999 at the age of 91. She was the older woman who watched Mary toss her hat into the air at the Nicollet Mall in Minneapolis:

[quote]Maybe he was one of Henry Willson's boys.

No offense to Gavin, but weren't Henry Willson's boys generally, well, good-looking?

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In the off chance that one of you DLers is feeling especially charitable right now, could you please explain the backstory of the Susan Dey references?

R240, When her "Partridge Family" brother David Cassidy died in 2017, DL kept waiting for some kind of comment from Susan. We waited in vain. She never said a word publicly. So "Has Susan Dey commented yet?" became a running gag. That's all there is to it.'

"I have sufficient" was a line spoken by DL fave Vivian Vance during a dinner party scene on an episode of "I Love Lucy" when Lucy offered her another serving of something or other. It was a line that could be used in so many situations, and it was, and it continues to be. If anyone else wants to elaborate on this, feel free.

R241 speaking of Lucy and your charitable nature, could you also please explain the “Lucy wanted to take the role but Gary talked her out of it?”

Was this...actually based on some role Gary infamously talked her out of taking?

And that’s it I’ll just ask for one...

Lucy was offered the Angela Lansbury part in The Manchurian Candidate.

And, presumably, Gary talked her out of it.

Joyce Bulifant was offered "Mame", but Gavin talked her out of it.

Joyce Bulifant was, in fact, initially up for the Florence Henderson role on "The Brady Bunch."

MTM is one of the reasons I never wanted the 1970s to end despite not even being born then.

Though Susan Dey (predictably) never commented on that, either.

Self centered bitch.

Yet we can’t get the girl who played Vicki to shut the fuck up.

[quote]Yet we can’t get the girl who played Vicki to shut the fuck up.

That reminds me that Joyce Bulifant, who played Gavin MacLeod's wife on the Mary Tyler Moore show, played the girl who played Vicki's mother in the movie "Airplane!"

R250 It’s all just a deep little incestuous vicious circle isn’t it.

R240. When the Patridge Family's David Cassidy died, there was actually quite a lot of media coverage. A number of family and friends were publicly offering their sympathy and condolences. No only DL, but others in the media wondered if Susan Dey would offer a statement or send a message of condolence via Twitter, but she never did. Of course DL picked up on it, and kept asking when Susan would say something. It turned into a running joke such as "Would you offer your condolences to someone who you worked with for a few years in the 1970s?" But still, it was assumed she could have said something since shows in the '70s had such a nostalgic following. Jokingly, many on DL accused Susan of being a bitch since she went on to star in the big hit of the '80s/'90s, "LA Law." and she wanted to leave her Partridge Family days behind her.

So now when anyone of note or a celebrity dies, the running joke is "Has Susan Dey sent her condolences?"

The bitch didn't have two words to say about my death, either. But then again, I didn't try to fuck her.

r241 Not a dinner party. It was a lunch with Betty Ramsey.

[quote] It was a lunch with Betty Ramsey.

Patsy’s sister?

Still dead I take it?

"I have sufficient."

[quote]Joyce Bulifant was, in fact, initially up for the Florence Henderson role on "The Brady Bunch."

She actually had the part but insisted on fucking Robert Reed and well you can figure out the rest

Well, some of you can.

I sure can’t.

I always felt Mike Brady was Captain Stubing's long lost brother. I don't know why.

Miss Bulifant claims that even the BB girls were cast because they looked like her. I don't believe that for a minute. They look nothing like her, but they do resemble Florence.

Miss Bulifant also claims she turned down Basic Instinct.

Miss Bulifant also claims she turned down the part of John McClane in Die Hard.

Charo weighs in.

[quote](Joyce Bulifant) actually had the part but insisted on fucking Robert Reed and well you can figure out the rest.

Bitch stole my husband.

The irony of Charo, is that prelockdown the work she actually got was probably on nostalgia cruises.

r266

She stole everyone's husband

r267

All over the world, I am known for my singing and guitar playing, but in America I am only known for "cootchie cootchie." And that's OK because those two words made me very wealthy

I get the feeling that unlike her syrupy sweet character 'Marie' on The Mary Tyler Moore Show, Joyce Bulifant was kind of a player and tramp around Hollywood.

R270, I warned my boy about her.

I almost looked like him before I canceled my plastic surgery!

[quote]I get the feeling that unlike her syrupy sweet character 'Marie' on The Mary Tyler Moore Show, Joyce Bulifant was kind of a player and tramp around Hollywood.

Hollywood Babylon I and II are filled with salacious tales of trampy Joyce's path from Virginia nobody to Tinseltown player.

She was referred to in undertones as Juicy Joyce.

Charo is either 80 or 70

She's 80. Bitch lied about her age for years. IMDb still uses her fake age

Charo is a natural beauty.

I wonder if James Brooks and Allan Burns ever pitched "The Joyce Bulifant Show" to CBS? Surely, they were aware that Joyce stole every scene she was in.

R276 1951, that hilarious. She married Cugat in 1966. At the age of 15?

She did r278? She was mostly the bland housewife on MTM.

Why the FUCK is everyone forgetting about me?

Arlene Golonka, who was on The Love Boat AND MTM, just died

[QUOTE]Arlene Golonka, who was on The Love Boat AND MTM, just died

That means more roles for Anita Gillette!

Arlene Golonka deserves her own thread.

r284, I just started one

Arlene and Valerie were great friends.

Can you cunts stop talking about Joyce, Charo and Arlene and get back to Gavin? I mean, it IS his thread.

He became a born-again American fundamentalist, so we can assume he is in heaven nuzzling blonde Jesus's golden mane right now.

I remember watching Entertainment Tonight around 1980 when they reported the story that Charo had legally taken ten years off her age in Las Vegas. She wasn't 40 anymore, she was now 30. Five years later while reporting "today's birthdays," Entertainment Tonight said Chao was 35.

[quote]Arlene and Valerie were great friends.

You mean lovers

Were there any glory holes on The Love Boat?

Ah yes, r291, the blow holes.

LEGALLY, r289?

Um, no.

Spelling must've offered the wonderful Shakespearean actor Anthony Andrews a mint to do "The Love Boat" as Lauren Tewes' husband.

I can't even imagine Joyce and Helen Hayes sitting around the dining room table today shooting the breeze and discussing Match Game or Flo.

A lengthy IMDB page...

John Gabriel and Beverly Sanders are also still alive, if they count.

R293, Charo changed her birth certificate LEGALLY

"her original Spanish birth certificate and passport, as well as her American naturalization papers, state that her birth date is March 13, 1941. After immigrating to the United States, Charo said that she was born in 1947, then changed it to 1949.[15] In her final change, she asserted in a 1977 court hearing that her passport and naturalization papers were wrong and that her birthdate was January 15, 1951."

He went all Jesus-y Christian later in life, but I've never seen overt homophobia from him, to his credit.

A friend who worked with Joan Hackett said she'd *add* a couple of years so that people would think she looked great for her age.

LOL, no woman adds years to her age.

Joan might have said it jokingly, r301...or not.

[quote]LOL, no woman adds years to her age.

Oh, really?

R303, she was underage.....no woman over 21 adds years to their age

R301, Ann Miller, Betty Grable and Linda Darnell did.

Oh what a circus, oh what a show....

Can’t believe all this mourning and hysterical sorrow for Gavin MacLeod of all people.

[quote]Can’t believe all this mourning and hysterical sorrow for Gavin MacLeod of all people.

Hell, the new "Arlene Golonka is dead to me" thread is already up to 60 posts. Gavin was in two hit series, one of them considered one of the finest sitcoms ever.. Arlene spent a couple of seasons on "Mayberry R.F.D."

"Can’t believe all this mourning and hysterical sorrow... "

I must have missed those posts, r306.

This thread is the DL equivalent of the Chuckles Bites the Dust episode.

So to sum things up: did Gavin like dick or not?

^Dick who?

Susan Dey will not get a WORD of condolence when her time comes, not from THESE lips.

Jack Cassidy guested on MTM as Ted's brother, so there is that connection. Ms Dey should really comment.

R306 are you confusing snark with “hysterical sorrow?”

The episode on MTM when Murray fell in love with Mary showed what a good actor Gavin Macleod was. Mary too.

r315, it's beyond criminal that Joyce wasn't asked to appear in the Murray loves Mary episode. Her presence would've elevated it from a so-so episode to a iconic episode. Is this again because Mary felt threatened by Joyce?

[quote]Can’t believe all this mourning and hysterical sorrow

Oh this is nothing compared to the Arlene Golonka thread. It's pandemonium over there.

That was on the other day, r315. It was, indeed, lovingly handled and lovely.

Like the callboys handled Gavin’s penis.

Miss Golonka incited pandemonium her entire career, r317.

Do you think when Charon pulled up in the boat and Gavin got in he sang “Death! Exciting and new! Come aboard, we’ve been expecting you!”

R291, Yes. The men's restroom on the Aloha deck, near the barber shop. Very cruisy place.

Not only was there a glory hole but every Thursday night, post-show, you could find Jack Jones on his knees servicing the guests.

In fact it was at the Aloha deck men's restroom where Glenn Scarpelli became a man's man.

I’m sure Halston was cruising those gloryholes for big Black and Latino dick.

Of course, ole Captain Schtubeing was a fag, I knew that the first night of my cruise. I had booked a getaway to Puerto Vallarta to get over a bad live taping I did for a CBS Holiday special with Trini Lopez. I was of course feeling a bit frisky so I snuck into the Captain's quarters and presented myself to him spread eagle on his bed. I told that lousy bum that right below my navel was a buffet fit for a Captain. A real seafood feast! So what does he do? He goes straight to the john to puke his guts out. So I knew he wasn't into broads. See, if they go down then they're straight and iffin' they turn away then theys queer. Broadway logic. Pacific Princess my ass!

Still that negro knew how to mix one helluva martini!

Another MTM guest star, Robert Hogan, just died

Hogan was a fine actor. RIP. He was in a short-lived prime time soap called "The Secrets of Midland Heights" with Marilyn Jones, who played Rose's daughter Bridget on GG. Betty strikes again.

Paging Love Boat guest star Joyce DeWitt! A tastefully-worded tribute could kickstart your career's second act. Just an idea.

Remember when Joyce DeWitt and Ray Buktenica were the Hollywood IT couple for a moment in time?

Joyce in a candid, casual mood.

No but I remember when Joyce D was scoring black cock off of Levar Burton and her West Virginian daddy nearly had a coronary.

No VPL for our Joyce D!

Let's get back to Joyce B! It's curious that she is not credited in the opening sequence of Flo, yet appears in group shots near the end of the sequence. I was waiting for her "and" credit, but it never happened. Who the fuck was her agent?

The first time I saw Robert Hogan was when he played a minister on "Peyton Place," which I never missed.

A tender, heartfelt performance...

R335, And his wife was played by Diana Hyland.

That's right, R337! I had forgotten that.

[quote]Remember when Joyce DeWitt and Ray Buktenica were the Hollywood IT couple for a moment in time

Yeah from June 30, 1979 at 11:45am to June 30, 1979 at 11:31am

^^Uh, your dates and times don’t match up.

R339 Comes from an alternative time warp suspending universe.

Joyce and Ray were the couple everyone in Hollywood wanted to be. However, Joyce had a wandering eye, which landed directly on Stephen Shortridge.

"Dewitenika" or "Rayce" were Brangelina before Brangelina was even a concept! Ultimately their breakup and Farrah and Ryan took over as THE Hollywood power couple, followed closely by Michael Tucker and Jill Eikenberry.

Joyce simply couldn't control her lustful desires. Neither could Joyce.

What about me, bitches? The only Joyce who ever mattered.

So glad Jack Cassidy wasn’t cast. Ted Knight’s turn as Ted Baxter was classic television in every sense of the word. Today’s toxic programming makes Ted’s flame burn brighter. If there was ever a beacon of professionalism, it was Ted. It’s good to know that during these dark times, we can all go back to WJM newsroom. Good news, and good night!

R346 Ted Knight basically ripped off Jack Cassidy's performance in the 1967 sitcom "He&She".

Go to 2:44

(you can also see the inspiration for Mary's apartment with the raised platform, funky decor and windows at the back)

Two broadcasting legends...

[quote]What about me, bitches? The only Joyce who ever mattered.

[quote]Elaine Joyce

Hello! I'm still alive at 96!

Joyce and fellow "Love American Style" vet BarBara Luna

Barbara Luna is still with us....she must be well into her 80s

GET THAT LUNA BITCH OUT. OF. MY. FACE!

Barbara Luna IS “Wrecked: The Faye Dunaway Story”

One legend, one show.

Miss BarBara Luna in "Tea at Five": opening this fall on Broadway!

Very limited engagement.

CAPTAIN STUBING FUCKED ME IN THE ASS!

BarBara Luna got to fuck Doug McClure in his prime.

R347, you may be right. But, Jack Cassidy also made Shirley Jones do poppers and participate in threesomes. Is that any way to treat America’s Favorite Mother?

R357, Excuse us?

I knew that would catch some flack. I will only apologize to Flo and Jane.

Fuck you, r358! Could any of those bitches speak jive?

R298 If we live long enough, Charo will become younger than me. And she stole my act.

Is Charo Benjamin Button? And how does one say that in broken Spanglish?

BarBara Luna is another who lies about her age. She claims to have been born in 1939, but was really born in 1937.

It's Cuban English, R362. All Cubans speak English that way.

He seemed very Jewish for a Wasp.

Whatever her real birthdate, BarBara is truly ageless.

She's no Barboura, r366.

Amazing that Barbara Luna was in the original opening night B'way cast of South Pacific (as Emile's daughter).

I imagine she's the only one left.

Oh that bitch!

I’ve been binge watching Mary Tyler Moore and McLeod is one of the biggest queens I’ve seen from that era. He’s Paul Lynde without the smirk.

He was asking the queeniest in an episode with Monte Markham. Markham was sex on a stick in the episode.

^I’m watching that episode too and yep, he totally queens. And Monte is gorgeous.

I’m binge watching and realizing how shrill the show is. Horns in the background music and flutes in the music and everybody shouts.

R130- He did not suppress his HOMOSEXUAL tendencies enough apparently- That episode with the male stripper Captain Stubing/Gavin MacLeod unselfconsciously SNIFFED the strippers jock strap.

I do wonder if Gavin did it for the blooper reel, not expecting that bit would be included.

[quote] I’ve been binge watching Mary Tyler Moore and McLeod is one of the biggest queens I’ve seen from that era.

I think that’s why he played The Love Boat so stern. He scowled through the whole show.

MTM is one of my comfort-food shows, along with I Love Lucy and Golden Girls.

[quote] Gavin Macleod is dead to me!!!!!

Again?

[quote] Harriet Nelson, Jane Wyatt, Donna Reed, Florence Henderson

Oh no you do NOT forget ME. You will NOT. No way no how no day! Let me tell YOU something right here right now! No one forgets Claire Huxtable!

[quote]Gavin Macleod is dead to me!!!!!

[quote]Again?

What an attention whore.

[quote]Oh no you do NOT forget ME

Don’t worry, Phyl, you’ll be remembered for your pretentious Tony speech (Maya Angelou you are not) and for defending sex pest Bill Cosby.

Outtakes

Well, I was surprised to learn of his death, and doubly surprised to realize I had read of his death months ago and forgotten.

I’m outliving all these bitches. Look out Helen Hunt! You’re next. I’m in the process of slaughtering the entire Slaughter family.

FUN FACT: Gavin played a supporting role in "I Want to Live!" with DL icon Susan Hayward.

MTM is one of my comfort-food shows, along with I Love Lucy and Golden Girls.

[quote]Gavin Macleod is dead to me!!!!!

[quote]Again?

[quote]What an attention whore.

Sometimes it doesn't take.