Candice Bergen

She was quite beautiful when she was younger, but I never understood her success. She really was not that great in Murphy Brown - the show was fine, but she really didn't bring that much to the role.

A child of celebrities and has had a charmed life. She plays the same 'broad' in every role. She's fine - but I just don't get it.

I watched her recently on an old episode of Saturday Night Live. It was right after the Equal Rights Amendment had been voted down. She let America know just how little she thought of them. It was kind of cringey.

R1 Have you ever read about her "charmed" life growing up? She was expected to treat Charlie McCarthy, her father's dummy, as her favored brother. That has to mess you up mentally.

R3 - meh - so she's rich and famous and beautiful, dated handsome men and had her own fragrance and a long acting career while being married to one of the finest French film directors of all time.

Give me the dummy to play my brother - I'll do it if I get all the rest. Probably preferable to my real brothers anyway.

That's a curiosity, not a tragedy or a trauma.

Plus R3, her father left money to the dummy and not to her!

Trivia: She had the number one nose people asked plastic surgeons for in the 70s.

She always pinged for me.

She was stunning.

Um, #5846/OP, you've been reduced to dragging Candice Bergen? How many of your sockpuppet accounts are now tagged? You are sort of like a turd circling the drain.

She has an apartment at 1040 5th, used to live at 10050 Cielo Drive... and now she lived at what became David Geffen's Malibu beach house?

This woman has lived.

In "A Fine Romance," I was surprised by the name-dropping (even though she grew up with the royalty of Tinseltown and truly knows all these people), the personal shoppers, a somewhat Gallic disdain for the American proletariat, and several redundancies ("Murphy Brown made me rich!") which should have been caught by an editor.

I felt she portrayed Larry David before Larry David so I’ve always rooted for her. If I were being petty I’d find the film clip where she sings a song of seduction.

'Impossibly gorgeous' according to a review of 1970s The Adventurers and she was in that film. She always came across as genuine and intelligent in interviews and seemed to have a good sense of humor and didn't seem conceited in the least. Her performance in Rich and Famous (1981) is funny, Meg Ryan played her daughter as she did in the remake of The Women (2008). Always like her though I saw few of her films and she was good on the few episodes I saw of Murphy Brown. She played Lakey, a lesbian, in her film debut The Group (1966)

She didn't have a charmed upbringing, her father was a real fucking weirdo. They were never close. She was definitely in the Jane Fonda/Christina Crawford camp of Hollywood children with fucked up parents.

She was stunning as a young woman.

Candy Bergen has always seemed a bit smug and sanctimonious to me. Definitely also pinged of uppercrust lez like Kate H.

An invigorating ride...

Give me Colleen Dewhurst with Candace Bergen with hats and I’m happy.

The whole Manson connection was so creepy. Bergen says Charlie stole her telescope from the Malibu place but Mark Lindsay from Paul Revere and the Raiders was their roommate on Cielo Drive before they moved and he said,

"Everybody speculated that Manson sent his minions up there to get rid of Terry because he was angry about not getting a record deal. But Terry and I talked about it later and Terry said Manson knew (Melcher had moved) because Manson or someone from his organization left a note on Terry's porch in Malibu.

I hated Murphy Brown when I was a kid, but once I came across a picture of Candice from her modeling days, I became fascinated. She was beautiful...

Miss Congeniality and Sweet Home Alabama are the only things she’s done I enjoyed (and she phones in the same performance in both).

Is The Group worth watching? It's free on Amazon Prime. At R15 that MG looks like the same car Roman and Sharon drive away from 10050 Cielo in Once Upon a Time in Hollywood.

I liked her cameo on Will & Grace. Murphy Brown was meh. And Rich & Famous awas a ridiculous film, altho Bisset was absolutely gorgeous.

It should have been you, Candice.

Decorated her house for Christmas in '98 & '99. Met while I was up about twenty feet in her backyard tree stringing lights. Told us to be careful, and if we needed anything in the way of refreshments, please let her know. Gracious. Her brother lived in a guest house on the property.

Gabe Kaplan from Welcome Back Kotter lived across the street from her L.A. home which has been sold a while ago.

I loved the original Murphy Brown and it's the one show I wish was streaming that isn't.

Her brother Kris was HAWT!!

I actually think she was still beautiful as an older woman. I thought she looked great as a judge on Law and Order.

[quote] What does DL think of her?

You might want to consider your choice of words when starting a thread. Not everyone spends their day forming opinions about Candice Bergen.

This is not a club. If it were, you would not be allowed here.

[quote]Have you ever read about her "charmed" life growing up? She was expected to treat Charlie McCarthy, her father's dummy, as her favored brother.

Well, he WAS a better actor.

SNL - Extremely Stupid People

Candice breaking character makes this sketch twice as funny.

Oh Mea Fucking Culpa R26. Did the aliens forget to remove the anal probe again.

She is one of the few what you see is what you get people in Hollywood. She WAS privileged beyond belief. By her family and her countenance. She did drugs and messed around at photography and although she was laughably bad actress, one of the worst - she managed to find a very narrow place where she could succeed. She is NOT stunning. She looks like an android. She was kind of symmetrically and artificially perfect looking. Not at all sexy or glamorous or even memorable from the neck down. Walks like a horse and acts with her nostrils.

But she's a cool enough old liberal and not as obnoxious as Jane Fonda. Got quite a bit fat. But not I hate myself fat. More like fuck it. Let's eat.

I do admire that she called out Bob Hope as a creepy weirdo who fucked every starlet in town while pretending to be for family and country.

She has a nice hearty laugh and is probably the most predictable line reader in the business. In that you can predict every cadence and word and the miniscule inflections she delivers. She's quite terrible but seems to enjoy herself.

And her nose is not terrible but one of those real noses that looks too fake to be true. Kind of BLANDED out her good looks completely. Put her in the debutante yearbook forever.

Oh, and no, she wasn't any good in any movie. Ever. She's a terrible actress. But as an old broad barking out lines, she's okay. As the wised up "smart" friend or tough mother. Oh look, it's Candice Bergen!

I think Faye Dunaway was way more beautiful during her prime (however brief that was) than Bergen was. But as an older woman, Bergen looks sooooo much better.

I wonder if she ever attended Olivia Newton-John's Ladies Nights in Malibu.

One of the great beauties of her generation. She herself would tell you she’s no great shakes as an actress. In fact she more or less lampooned herself in goofy comedy. I think she’s a class act- modest, very little vanity for a woman of such incredible beauty in her youth- she easily could have gone the Hollywood bombshell plastic fantastic route, or the social X-ray route. She chose smart self deprecating gravitating to the best of the great hand dealt her. Like I said, class act.

She was great in Starting Over, which is still fun to watch. Seems like an all around good egg who’s had herself a ball.

She was stunningly beautiful when she was younger and aged into a very handsome woman.

She is a horribly wooden actress though but still very down to earth and likable.

Can you elaborate R32?

I met her once in early 2000s. I was the hired help. She was pleasant and down to earth. We had a nice chat. Didn’t act like an aloof celebrity at all. Still a very attractive woman.

When I lived in LA, I knew some gay women who spoke of the ladies' nights at Olivia's. Olivia's baby daddy Matt Lattanzi starred alongside Candy and Jackie in "Rich and Famous" in an amazing bit of miscasting by George Cukor.

Definitely in the top 10 of her (Boomer) generation looks-wise. Old School Cool.

Nobody knows or cares about ONJ. She was pretty, I guess. Fake. The rumors are always on this site about her. Maybe so, given her insubstantial talent, personality and career. And some very strange husbands. She might prefer the ladies.

But Candice Bergen is not a lesbian. Nothing wrong with being a lesbian, but she's not.

Those are terrible photos R39. She must have looked better than that. Flabby stomach and shapeless thighs. No Barbarella. Candice, her mother and brother all have that terrible pinched nose that charlie imagines as beautiful. It might have been that way a hundred years ago - but it's what MOST detracts from Bergens looks to be honest. She looked so waspish she might sting you. Small eyes. Pointy nose. Thin lips. There was nothing juicy about her beauty at all. Very pristine. Even Brooke Shields looked sexier, and she's a horse.

[quote] Nobody knows or cares about ONJ. She was pretty, I guess. Fake. The rumors are always on this site about her. Maybe so, given her insubstantial talent, personality and career.

Are you fucking high? Olivia was a superstar for 15 years, had several iconic hit songs, starred in the biggest movie musical ever, and was the idol and envy of every young woman during her heyday. Just because YOU don't know why she was successful, don't try turning it into fact.

R17, maybe Terry never told her about the note so as not to scare her

Terry was definitely into a lot of weird shit with and without Manson, that no one knew about

[quote] and was the idol and envy of every young woman during her heyday.

No, she wasn't.

r30 is the putrid "ancient white fags" nutcase troll. Pay him, and his idiotic rants, no mind.

OFFS, R17/R43, shut the fuck up with your stupid, dumb ass Manson and whoever talk.

This is just some idiotic thread that OP and his minions think will bring down society and make Candice Bergen an outcast.

r42 that's the "ancient white fags" troll. He's an idiot. Don't even bother arguing with him.

Who are you lady @ R47? Are you afraid of intelligent discourse. Are you calling me ancient white fag?

I ain't old and I ain't white. Keep your filthy old mouth shut gramps.

Terry Melcher had a face like an amoeba. I wonder what Candy saw in him when she was such a natural beauty.

Terry Melcher was nothing to look at.

Candy was dating David Hume Kennerly when he was the White House photographer during the Ford administration.

Susan Ford had a crush on Kennerly and was openly rude to Candy whenever she would visit him at the White House.

I’ve never seen a block of wood act before.

r52 = "ancient white fags" troll under another account.

Surprised her nose was considered the ideal - it was an exaggerated ski jump that got long and witchy looking as she got to middle age.

I would have guessed someone who had a shorter, more gentle upturn to her nose, or just a delicate straight nose - would have been more popular “go to models.”

Terry was....odd looking.

I didn’t think Doris was a day drinker....

I think Candice looked a little too polished and "manufactured" in that mid-'60s overdone hair and makeup drag. But in the early '70s, when the natural look was in, she was stunning.

Candice in the '60s: big hair, heavy makeup, too much.

[quote] I ain't old and I ain't white.

You ARE an idiot.

I can see where Lana Del Rey got her look from.

That 60s glam look was fabulous.

In an interview she once stated she hated her name and thought it was ridiculous. I have to agree.

"It should have been you, Candice.

—Sharon Tate"

I wish it had been.

Oh, wait. You said Candice. I thought you said Gwyneth.

She's currently on The Conners. It's still really weird to me to see Murphy Brown wondering around Roseanne's kitchen, considering that the two actresses (and their series) represented polar opposites visions of America in the late in the 80s and early 90s.

I read she’d also dated dean paul Martin before he married Olivia hussey. They must have looked like two of the most perfect people together.

I also read she was threatened by another star of ‘the group’ for trying to write an article for esquire about the filming and given a hard time by some of the other girls because they didn’t think she deserved the character of Lakey.

Personally I think she was awful in rich & famous, so over the top and annoying. I realise she was supposed to be somewhat hysterical but she could have dialled it down a little. She made Jackie look like meryl Streep by comparison.

In her first book, didn’t she say she had been almost raped by a well-known teen idol in his car? Anyone know who she was referring to?

She seems lovely and has a nice persona. I used to follow her Instagram and she came across down to earth and not obnoxious or sanctimonious like a lot of others.

As a kid, I was fascinated by this LOOK article. All of the girls were featured, but Candy got the cover.

I don't think she was that good looking. She had that standard WASP looking that was in then though.

She had a masculine quality to her looks -- not that there's anything wrong with that..

No, she's les, of course lesbians don't exist, according to dlers.

R68 Yes, that too.

I've read a lot about the Manson Family, and she and Melcher always come across as spoiled dilettantes.

Not a fan.

The Group was a surprisingly terrible movie, despite the excellent cast. Basically Shirley Knight and Joan Hackett carry the whole thing; if it weren't for them, the movie would have been even worse. Given the horrible dialog she has to spout, Bergen actually does well as the cold lesbian Lakey, which always made me think, given that she can't act, that maybe she wasn't acting.

[quote] Nobody knows or cares about ONJ.

Boy, are [italic]you[/italic] ever on the wrong forum!

Fuck you, r72.

Her mother Frances Bergen played Madeleine Astor in the 1953 version of Titanic.

Bergen could be effective in particular roles with a good director - CARNAL KNOWLEDGE (I hate the film, but she's good in it), STARTING OVER, and even RICH AND FAMOUS (I disagree that she's over the top - I've come across many women who act exactly like her character). In that recent Soderberg film LET THEM ALL TALK, I was more interested in her character than Streep's. Also, she's effective in THE GROUP as the role is pretty small and doesn't require too much from her - if you want over the top, watch Jessica Walter in that film. Lord!

She admitted she was not serious about acting when she was younger and it shows much of the time. She made a number of really bad films in the 60's and early 70's, and she's mediocre to terrible in every one: THE SAND PEBBLES, THE MAGUS, GETTING STRAIGHT, THE ADVENTURERS, T.R. BASKIN.

Only Ali MacGraw was worse. At least Bergen improved over time. MacGraw never did.

I'd put her in the same class as Jane Fonda with Jane being about 10 years older. They know each other but aren't close. Hollywood Royalty. Gorgeous looks. Great taste. Style-wise, they both put themselves together very well with Candy being maybe a bit more elegant and refined in her personal style. Jane outclasses her with the acting but Candy has a kind of mysterious quality. She claims she has kept women at a cautious remove because they would see her as a threat to their men when she was around, and she didn't want to be responsible for those feelings. I wish she had written more about the 1960s "Manson" years in "A Fine Romance," but it turned out to be a love note to her daughter Chloe Malle (who, unfortunately, inherited her father's looks). Knock Wood was a much better read.

Rich & Famous is nothing compared to Old Acquaintance.

Who did she end up marrying?

Louis Malle died on her in 1995 and then she bought a real estate developer named Rose in 2000.

I always felt bad for her having to grow up in the shadow of her more popular sibling Charley McCarthy?

I always felt she was from the Isle of Lesbos. Damn, she was flat out fabulous to look at. Sheer perfection.

She had a striking kind of beauty.

Wasn't Louis Malle bi? Or was it in one of his movies? Not too familiar with him. I put her in the class with Diane Sawyer and Mike Nichols. Not in. Not out. Too above it all to talk about it.

It's a look...

Pauline Kael thought Candice and Ali MacGraw were the worst actresses of the 20th Century. I don't think Candice was as bad as Ali, and Starting Over (1979) is the evidence.

[quote]so she's rich and famous and beautiful, dated handsome men...

Handsome? HA! She dated shrimps and fugs.

Candi and Ali were both Chanel girls.

Candi:

Ali:

Young Candice Bergen has one of the most smug looking faces I've ever seen. I don't see the beauty in her at all. I do see the wasp country club alien perfection. But she wasn't beautiful.

Dorothy Lyman and Candice were sisters in law at one point. They had kids around the same time and used to playdate with each other.

[quote]I wonder if she ever attended Olivia Newton-John's Ladies Nights in Malibu.

WHAT?

I've heard Debbie Allen had Ladies Nights in Hollywood, never knew about Olivia.

Is this true?

Who gives a fuck about what that disgruntled old cunt Pauline Kael thought?

[quote]I've heard Debbie Allen had Ladies Nights in Hollywood, never knew about Olivia.

OH lordy lordy lordy

In my head I always call her Candy Bergey. It's fun!

R92 = Ali MacGraw

Since it was mentioned above...

Not too long ago, "T.R. Baskin" was on Amazon Prime. I had always heard it was a terrible, terrible movie because as a kid I was enamored with Michael Medved's Golden Turkey books (little did I know then what an asshole he really was.) I was just in the mood for a laugh.

Turns out, it's not all THAT terrible. It's has some very clunky writing , but Bergen, Peter Boyle, James Caan and especially Marcia Rodd are all more than serviceable in their parts. It seems like a lot of the reviewers at the time weren't into the fact Baskin is an unlikable character who is never really redeemed.

If it's still on Amazon, give it a try

Bergen was conventionally attractive and came from a family that was A-list adjacent (cosilaized with the A-list corwd but never considered a big part of it). So, of course she had no trouble being cast in things, esp. in an era where a pretty face and a nice figure meant you didn't need much talent. She was wooden or plain awful and knew it. Over time, she found her niche, which is really a sort of world-weary light comedy and people who could write for her strengths. She's aged well and done OK, outlasting her contemporaries without becoming an addict or a major attention whore.

So to the extent,I think of her. she seems like someone who never could have had a career with her looks AND background, but has managed to make a go of it without messing up her life or annoying the general public. She's also probably one of the few people with a "small world" connection to Manson/his victims with a believeable story. You'd think everyone in her age cohort was a Tate bestie or had cross paths with Manson the day before the murders.

She's like a big, goosey, female impersonator!

I always wondered if Candice's pointy nose with the weird nostrils was a product of plastic surgery

She's morphed into ROSE MARIE from the Dick Van Dyke Show.

R75, She was also in "American Gigolo".

From 1971 to 1975, Candice Bergen was in a monogamous dating relationship with late Hollywood producer and writer Bert Schneider.

Did not know anything was monogamous in Hollywood during 1971-1975.

^ How do you know it was monogamous? She said so?

R103 - Wikipedia said so which is just as reliable as The Daily Fail or The Scum or The Ney York Stump.

R102- Candice Bergen is a LESBIAN.

I read her second book but for me she came off a little spoiled. She had a great childhood, living in Beverly Hills, the brother/dummy thing, was a joke, her father was a comedian. Went straight into the family business and never had to do a day of manual labor.

Only on the datalounge would Candace Bergen be referred to as “conventionally attractive”. My God, she was one of the most beautiful women of all time. Anyone who disagrees is blind.

No one ever talks about this film and I don’t ever see it being in rotation on TV or streaming. It’s an amazing anti war movie, especially as a metaphor for what was going on in Vietnam at the time. I recall it being heart breaking and Bergen and Straus at the height of their youthful beauty.

R104, Wiki also says on HIS page:

Between 1971-1974 Schneider had a relationship with Candice Bergen. Bergen wrote about their relationship in her first memoire, 'Knock Wood', in which she wrote about their tumultuous relationship, referring to Schneider under the pseudonym "Robin"

This seems to be a good place to drop this bit of personal trivia. A couple of years ago I rented a house in Conchas Chinas in Puerto Vallarta. It was a beautiful place, and above the door in the main bedroom was an ornate sign that read Bergen-Malle Suite.

It turns out that Candy and Louis had an extended honeymoon at the place. Someone else famous who’s stayed there had another room named after them but I can’t recall now. The original owners who built it are from Dallas and still around. They’re big donors of the donors at the Dallas Symphony, super sweet people.

House is linked.

Yes R24, Kris was hot. Wasn't aware of him.

Was not Candice in the awful sequel to Love Story with Ryan O'Neal?

R112- Yes. Nicola Pagett from Upstairs Downstairs was in it too.

R28 her voice... sounds like Ellen is speaking in that clip.

R97 A list adjacent - so like Goop’s parents?

R112, At least we got to see Ryan's bare ass in a shower scene.

I saw her in the Broadway revival of The Best Man.

Her acting was unsurprisingly wooden and she looked rather chunky.

R117 Are you confusing Candice with Cybill Shepherd who I saw in the last Broadway revival of The Best Man that starred John Stamos, James Earl Jones, Elizabeth Ashley and John Larroquette? Never knew Bergen appeared on Broadway.

Candice Bergen was like Lauren Hutton as in she looked great in professional photos, but once she spoke, ewwww. Bad voice.

[quote]She really was not that great in Murphy Brown - the show was fine, but she really didn't bring that much to the role.

Actually, she was. Her job was often the "straight man" to the other characters. The character is very much like Mary in the Mary Tyler Moore Show in that sense. And she understood that, unlike Cybill Shepherd, who was jealous of the attention others in the cast got and insisted on being the funny one, which she wasn't.

R118, Then you saw the replacement cast.

"Producers of the Broadway revival of Gore Vidal‘s The Best Man are aiming to keep the star wattage on high when a number of original cast members depart early next month, bringing in some major-name replacements to complete the run.

Stepping in, respectively, for Candice Bergen, Eric McCormack, Kerry Butler and Angela Lansbury, are Cybill Shepherd, John Stamos, Kristin Davis and Elizabeth Ashley. They join original ensemble members James Earl Jones, John Larroquette and Jefferson Mays, who will remain with the show through its scheduled closing date of Sept. 9, as will Mark Blum, who replaced the injured Michael McKean."

R120 Cybill was better in Moonlighting than anything Candice Bergen has ever been in.

She’s a difficult arrogant bitch though, that’s the difference.

R122 - CS did the young and sexy part well, which made her very appealing. And she was serviceable portraying the rest of Maddie's character. And then she sabotaged the show.

She did the same thing with her own show with her delusions of being an comedienne and a chanteuse.

Murphy Brown ran 10 seasons.

Olivia Newton-John is not lesbian. She is still beautiful and a very talented vocalist.

Candice is gorgeous and possesses a rare patrician beauty and developed into a solid comedic actress.

After Geffen acquired the beach house he gained notoriety for trying to curtail beach goers from entering the beach on his property.

Cybill Shepherd and Elizabeth Ashley under the same roof. Those must have been some rehearsals.

[quote]Her (Candice) job was often the "straight man" to the other characters. The character is very much like Mary in the Mary Tyler Moore Show in that sense.

Yes, and I have renewed respect for Mary Tyler Moore. Even limited Mary was 100% better than Candice Bergen.

My money would have been on Miss Ashley, r126.

I'm a big fan of Candice Bergman.

I'm a big fan of Ingrid Bergman.

I'm a huge fan of Warren Berger

That Nazi rocket scientist R131!

I'm a fan of Hamilton Berger

I’m a big fan of Charlie McCarthy, do you think she has him in a closet somewhere?

I'm a fan of Bergen Belsen, Candy's daughter.

How famous was Edgar Bergen back in the day? He's totally forgotten now, but was he a household name?

Bergen was on Broadway previously in Hurlyburly, taking over from Sigourney Weaver. Mike Nichols directed that production. William Hurt, Christopher Walken, Judith Ivey, and Cynthia Nixon were still in it. I can't remember if Harvey Keitel was still there or not.

I happened to see Bergen's opening night performance and she was clearly nervous. I later heard from friends that she basically copied Weaver's performance, which was probably a good idea.

I read that the production rehearsal was "challenging" due to the collective egos of Hurt, Walken, Keitel, and playwright David Rabe. It's a crappy play anyway.

Absolutely, r136. Radio was television before television.

How did I not know daddy Bergen played the original grandpa Walton in the movie before gay Will Geer took over?

R99, Candice Bergen had the same nose shape when she was a child.

Always found it odd that she never appeared in a film directed by her late husband Louis Malle.

Anyway, I've always like her.

She inherited the nose from Mortimer Snerd—her real father.

Candice is from a time when stars were classy. No pussies on the internet!

Charlie McCarthy, was of it's day. A good ventriloquist act ON RADIO. What I've wonder is, what king of a joke did it take for Candice's beautiful mother to marry that old fug. I've read that he groomed her from when she was a teenager. Ewwww.

That old fug was worth millions.

"In his will, according to Candice Bergen's memoir, 'A Fine Romance,' he left his daughter nothing, but bequeathed his dummy, Charlie McCarthy, $10,000. "I’d chased my father's approval all my life, and here was proof I’d never get it, 'the actress wrote. "I was hurt, shocked, when I discovered he had left me out of his will.'"

I'm thinking that old ecchy Edgar was not Candice's biological parent.

For reasons that were well known to her, R146. That's what Candy got for fucking Charles Manson. She left the key to the Tate house under that mat!

She looks a lot like him r146

Ha ha, R148. Candice is the image of her glam mother, not that fat fug Edgar.

She has a striking resemblance to Edgar.

A long marriage and most of it show? Wife Frances Westerman chose not to be buried with Edgar Bergen. Her ashes interred at Forest Lawn Memorial Park in the Hollywood Hills area of Los Angeles. Looks lie dutiful wife Franny was not so devoted.

Father and daughter as WML? mystery guests in 1965 @ 18:45.

In my mind Candy Bergen and Candy Spelling are good friends, does anyone know if there’s truth to that?

I don't know her.

R137 - playwright David Rabe""" Father of Lily Rabe???

R153, I remember Candy Bergen mocking Candy Spelling in a Vanity Fair article during the construction of that huge Spelling mansion.

R153 you’re thinking of me

They used to luncheon frequently with Candy Samples, r153.

Damn R156 for the win!

Is her daughter, Chloe Malle, an actress? I googled her, but didn't see anything....but, her face looks so familiar, like I've seen her in some movies or TV? If she isn't, she looks like a particular actress, whose name I don't know.

These celebrity daughters never take after their gorgeous mothers, they always look like their uglyass fathers. Poor things.

Her daughter is good looking, but not the beauty her mother was. Candice's mother, Francis Bergen, was another stunner...beautiful woman. I thought Candice favored her father, but seeing photos of her mom...I can see where she got her beauty.

Ok...did a little googling, Chloe is not an actress...but looks similar to actress Shailene Woodley...IMO.

"These celebrity daughters never take after their gorgeous mothers, they always look like their uglyass fathers. Poor things."

Tell me about it.

Tell you about it, Vanessa?

Yeah, poor Vanessa. She is the spitting image of Roger Vadim and got none of Jane's looks. Mother Nature can be a nasty bitch.

Girls favor their fathers and visa versa. How many of you guys look like your mothers?

R166 well I’m fairness Jane looks herself like her father.

Candice Bergen was always beautiful in a timeless, classy sense. She is always courteous and gracious. She is smart, too. Her personal life was just that- her personal life.

She has outlasted her contemporaries, Jane Fonda, Jacqueline Bisset, Catherine Deneuve, Julie Christie, etc. by being able to stay relevant and now draw too much attention to herself (excluding the Dan Quayle incident, which Bergen actually agreed with him).

Candy Bergen is stable.

R169 Jane Fonda and Catherine deneuve are still relevant. Julie Christie has stepped away from things out of her own choice. And how is Candice relevant exactly? She had a supporting role in a meryl street vehicle? And Jackie even won a golden globe the other year…

R170 Fonda has the show with Lily Tomlin, Sam Waterston, and Martin Sheen. It is funny, but not "Ivy League television." I know A LOT of people 40+ who hate Jane Fonda based on her Vietnam stunt.

Catherine Deneuve is an alcoholic, right? That is the perception from a lot of people. I did not know she still acted to be honest.

Julie Christie last big movie was Branagh's Hamlet in 1996 (which she was very good in). Her time off hurt her career. Didn't she marry money?

Jacqueline Bisset won a golden globe? I thought she needed the money. Or was that Olivia Hussey? What's the difference lol

Candice gave the only good performance in that awful Book Group movie from a few years ago starring Jane Fonda, Diane Keaton and Mary Steenburgen. Those other three stunk but Candice was funny.

R172 DO NOT talk about Mary Steenburgen in that way! She is always good in every movie.

[quote] I know A LOT of people 40+ who hate Jane Fonda based on her Vietnam stunt.

People in their forties weren't even born yet.

A lot of old boomers hate Jane...60s and up.

I've always thought she was a bad actress.

But then I listening to a charming podcast interview with her and found out she agreed.

Candice once had a date with Donald Trump when she was a Penn. She said he picked her up in a burgundy suit that matched his limo. It was not a long date.

R173 Are we sure that wasn’t Catherine Keener?

Oh please, Catherine deneuve, drunk or not, is still an icon in France and has a career that Candice would kill for. Likewise so do Jane and Julie Christie - whose last movie of note would arguably be away from her in 2006. I’m sure Christie could be much bigger right now if she really cared about acting and fame.

Jackie is more on the same level as Bergen. Olivia hussey is an also ran.

I thought she was good in Gandhi. Not a big role, but she played a photojournalist.

Ben Kingsley, Martin Sheen, Sir John Gielgud, Trevor Howard, John Mills, Edward Fox, Ian Charleson, Nigel Hawthorne, Michael Hordern, Roshan Seth, and Rohini Hattangadi blew her out of the water though.

R180 I never saw Gandhi but I remember Andy Warhol mentioning it in his diary about how weird it was to see Candice in the role and I get the impression that even he was not that impressed by her.

R181 She played Murphy Brown if Murphy Brown were alive in 1930's India LOL

She looked nothing like Margaret Bourke White, there were other things going on in the casting of that movie.

R183 Farrah Fawcett also played Margaret Bourke-White.... I'm Candace Bergen was more realistic.

R181 was she yelling her lines like she did on the show!?

R164, Roger Vadim was in no way ugly.

[quote] Olivia Newton-John is not lesbian.

hahahahahahahaaaaaaaaaaa

Candace is an interesting persona. She's no great actress but the people who hire her understand what she brings to the table.

In Britian they embrace this better with some of their notable figures. Miriam Margolyes is hired because she's a ribald fat cunt, not because of her performances in the classics.

[quote]Her personal life was just that- her personal life...Candy Bergen is stable

OH, BROTHER! You have a lot of nerve posting that here.

Did someone mention stable?

Mary Steenburgen was just awful in Book Group. I’m sorry but it’s true.

Sable or Gable?

Good Afternoon DL'ers, Phillywhore here. OMG!!! I never realized how Beautiful Candice Bergen was in the 1960's. Here is what I know about Candice Bergen...1-Her dad played with a dummy(who was big wayyyy back in the day) 2- The whole 10050 Cielo Drive, Sharon Tate Murders-Charlie Manson connection. 3-She was Murphy Brown, married Louis Malle, and is insanely wealthy. 4-In those photos, Candice is Stunningly Beautiful, looks like an Old Money East Coast Blonde Princess , rather than Hollywood Royalty.

Bourke-White travelled in the kinds of circles that would have been familiar to Bergen, so casting her made sense. Bourke-White also had lots of affairs with powerful (though not necessarily famous) men but that wouldn't have been a consideration for Ghandi. Trivia note: The father of a colleague who was an important WWII figure had an affair with Bourke-White---he had to read about because the father never discussed his dalliances..

R68 Joan Rivers once quipped that her “type” was Candice Bergen with a mustache.

R81 Ewww... Her brother was really her father!

Candice Bergen is a Hollywood icon for people of a certain age. She comes from Hollywood royalty, but at the same time she is very self-aware. She's smart, intelligent, witty, engaging, talented, fun and has lived a full life. "Murphy Brown" has cemented her place in television history. She may lead a more private life now, but she's a woman of the world. Candice Bergen and one of the last of the good ol' broads who has something to say and doesn't take herself too seriously.

R144 & R146 Charlie McCarthy was a nasty piece of wood. I think Edgar Bergen wrote his own material, so it may be that Charlie was Edgar’s alter ego. Charlie was lascivious, rude, insulting, and mean. Charlie would have had no problem disinheriting Candice.

R192, That was my line, Karen.

R162 her daughter looks nothing like her and isn’t even remotely attractive. Plus she’s about 5 feet tall.

[quote]her daughter looks nothing like her and isn’t even remotely attractive.

As has been said, the daughters of female celebrities never look like their gorgeous mothers, they look like their ugly fathers.

Candy Bergen, Candy Clark, Candy Samples, Candi Staton, and Candy Darling all lunched with Candy Spelling at the manor. Who was the sweetest Candy?

R193, WE ALL KNOW THAT SHIT

Well I didn't know that Beyotch..."Muthafucking cocksucking asshole" I never saw those 2 photos before today Fuckin dickhead. I don't know or follow any of this obsessive fag shit until the early 1980's. Excuse me for being "poor foster care white trash" back in the day. I was busy following serial killers in Houston in the 1970's while delievering the Evening Bulletin in East Falls.I had a "GOOD Day" today...Be NICE

Get help, R204. None of this stuff is important enough to justify your completely unhinged tirade.

Or just lay off the pipe. Or the vodka.

To (R-203) the next comment after yours was meant for you WITH ALL MY LOVE AND RESPECT!!

To (R-205) You just reminded me...I haven't had a drink yet. Going to find the Vodka Thank You, see you are helpful!!

Candice Bergen fucked Charlie Manson. And went back for more. That's why she barks.

R204 = drunk

Her mother was beautiful.

I liked her in Boston Legal. She was a good foil to William Shatner. You could tell they were having a blast.

" I know A LOT of people 40+ who hate Jane Fonda based on her Vietnam stunt."

Really, r171? A 50 year-old would have been one when that photo of Jane was taken.

I just read A Fine Romance.

Candice had a few primo dicks in her day

(R 203, 205 and 209)=Asshole. Have a Blessed Day...Hugs and Prayers

I find her attractive and personable, but not beautiful. To each their own.

Her mother looked too volpine to be really beautiful.

Anyone who uses the term "have a blessed day" should be flung into outer space.

It’s amazing she never marketed a signature scent, I could totally see her doing commercials looking like Shelly Hack in her Charlie ads.

She doesn't need the money. She got $250K/episode for Murphy Brown x 11 seasons.

Ten seasons.

R219 Then bitch could have done it, but setup a charity to give it all away like Newman and his food or Taylor and most of her White Diamonds money.

I'm glad Candice got a shit load of $$$ from Murphy Brown. But the truth is, The show SUCKED.

The show was fine in its first seasons. It lasted twice as long as it should have.

I stood behind her on line at a movie theater back in the mid 80s.

She didn’t appear to have a stitch of makeup on, and I thought she was gorgeous.

R128 Cybill towers over Ashley. Cybill matched up well with the tall John Laroquette. Cybill played a very Kennedyesque wife and had a relatively small part though she does get the play's last line.

There's lots of 2nd generation female stars who favour their beautiful mothers. Kate Hudson, Jamie Lee Curtis, Mariska Hargitay, Ireland Baldwin, Lourdes Leon, Riley Keough, Eva Amurri, Jennifer Grant, Zoe Kravitz, Dakota Johnson, Melanie Griffith, Rashida Jones, Liv Tyler, Margaret and Rainey Qualley.

Give it a break. The word beautiful is tossed around like nonsense by some elder gays here. Attractively pretty WASP women is what they usually mean. Beauty is in the eye etc. But most of those women OR their daughters were not beautiful R227.

Candice was beautiful, and she had a "classy" look that you don't see anymore in this era of trashbag hos and tacky celebrities.

Bergen was undeniably attractive AND she looked like a debutante zombie. Beauty requires a little more distinction than just symmetrical features and blondish hair. Her type of features did not go obsolete like dinosaurs. That bland kind of look might win a local beauty pageant today. In the south. She was whiter than white. And that nose was a bit much. And her coloring was all kind of washed out. She was pretty but nowhere near beautiful. "Classy" is just a projection. There were many more beautiful women around, even back when Candy was young. I don't think she was celebrated much. Her look was so alien and cold. She's was no Catherine Deneuve or Dunaway. Not even a Katherine Ross or McGraw. Those women had distinct beauty, classical or not.

She’s not as smart as she thinks she is.

R212 but they were raised to hate her by their parents. My father still will not watch anything she appears in.

STFU you nutcase "ancient white fags" troll r230. Your opinion - and you - are worthless.

Love the flip.

Are you nuts on every thread R233? Remove the hate from your life. R230 seems smart and sensitive. Your posts are pretty stupid and hateful. Always the same words? Very strange poster. F&F. BLOCK R230. His posts are pretty disgusting.

r235 = "Ancient white fags" troll on another account. Your syntax, sentence structure and language are exactly the same on all your accounts. Muriel really needs to do something about you. You don't belong on this forum.

Now that freak will come from somewhere else to say that I fucked up my post. What if I didn't? Maybe I did. If you Trolldar R233 posts - you will see hundreds of posts of stupidity and hatred. Fuckin hundreds!! Dude is racist and abusive. He's obviously very old and nuts. Trolldar R230 and see some surprises. He does call people anceint white fags sometimes. That moniker fits you, R233.

Candice Bergin looked like those little dogs with the long hair and watery eyes when she was young. Peakanease?

r237 = Yet another "ancient white fags" troll account. You seriously need to get banned from this board, you freak.

^ she did so!! ^🤣🤣🤣

Gia Garagme looked like a pekingese too and people claimed that she was beautiful? She wasn't either. Bergen is too classically good looking to be discarded. but she was far from beautiful. She looked a bit like Tyrone Power.

TO (R-230)... I LOVE the phrase " Debutante Zombie" It sounds like the name of a "all girl wanna-be punk rock group" or a Bad Horror movie featuring Tara Reid, Lindsay Lohan and Paris Hilton.

You know, Phillywhore, if you just type R and the number you want to quote, no lines no spaces, just all together, then you get it to look like this >>> R242

[quote]She didn’t appear to have a stitch of makeup on, and I thought she was gorgeous

HA HA HA! What some people believe about "no make-up." I guarantee you Candice spent a long time in front of that mirror creating the natural look.

To R243, I will try your way. No one ever said Phillywhore will not try something new.