Are you ready to LOSE YOUR GODDAMN MINDS over a BLACK Anne Boleyn?

So much for the argument that it’s okay for a black to play Bond because he is fictional.

Chile, she blue-black. Skillet blonde.

It's Anne Boleyn in black face. The lefties love a good minstrel show.

The racist Royal Family were worried about how dark her daughter Elizabeth I would turn out.

Blue-black is blacker than black.

Andrew Neather is having an orgasm while we speak.

Dumb. Why not make films about actual African women or women of African descent who had exceptional/and or influential lives? A new story, please.

My election is throbbing in anticipation of someone blaming Meghan Markle for this. Hurry up, y’all!

Let’s do a story about Rosa Parks and cast Judy Dench.

Young Anne Boleyn:

I own a couple blue-blacks...

"Mercy- peel me a grape!"

Ah yes lets romanticize those Royals and the upper classes, I mean the current ones are barely able to be accepting of other races but the old one's would've been completely accepting. This bullshit is more offensive than not having anyone black actors, they are re-writing culture in a damaging way that softens the idea of how harsh the upper classes were to those who were different from them, whether that was race, culture or class.

Colour Blind casting doesn't achieve anything.

It's just a black person playing a white person (Bridgerton), and can be unintentionally hilarious like the infamous Black Mikado.

Why the same story, over and over again? Can’t they do different old-time royals?

No, because our current culture isn't about moving on, it's about stagnating.

Leslie Uggams as Queen Elizabeth!

This link has one of those quickly cobbled together teasers. I can't believe they are comparing it to The Crown. It's obviously riding on the zeitgeist of Hamilton, recasting historical characters as different races to illustrate a feeling of separation.

Janet Hubert for Princess Margaret!

That's "The Whore, Anne Boleyn", OP.

[italic]The Autobiography of Miss Jane Pittman[/italic] with Angela Lansbury in the title role

Meghan Markle will hate watch this program knowing that it should have been her playing the role.

Who’s playing her sister? Elle Fanning?

Sidney Poitier for Prince Philip!

The older Royal stories are very complex and don't make great TV.

They have also been done recently, they weren't exactly ratings winners

Everyone knows Meghan is destined to play Diana.

Well ....

If they don't bring any issues or mentions or race, I don't see the issue. I remember when they did the Harry Potter play and the actress was black, but the actual character is very neutral (bland?). Anyone can be a child of dentists. Anyone can play the character.

If there is a race element to the movie/story then that is bullshit.

But they can still make Henry VIII white so it's still racist by your own hypocritical standards, racist OP. Project much?

[quote]If they don't bring any issues or mentions or race, I don't see the issue. I remember when they did the Harry Potter play and the actress was black, but the actual character is very neutral (bland?). Anyone can be a child of dentists. Anyone can play the character.

Do you understand the difference between fact and fiction? Harry Potter was a piece of fiction, so they can cast whomever they like. Anne Boleyn was a real person and there are portraits of her. We know that she was white.

An Asian actress plays Anne in Six. In fact, there’s only one white actress in the cast and no one said a single word about it. The show was brilliant and a hit.

R25 I disagree in the sense that this one doesn't matter, for a fictional character I agree that race swapping doesn't matter but when a character, such as Anne Boleyn, is changed it skews the view of what the culture was like at the time. If a black woman were to marry the king, it would be a big deal and she would not be welcomed as it would be highly unlikely that she was off the upper class.

[quote]Harry Potter was a piece of fiction, so they can cast whomever they like.

But Harry wasn't played by a Black trans woman of COLOUR, so it doesn't count.

Who’s Ann Berlin?

In other news, Channel 5's "Roots" reboot has found its Kunta Kinte:

Irving's wife, R31.

No no no no no, R32. He'll be cast as Chicken George.

I don't really like history that's not history. I didn't like Kirsten Dunst in Marie Antoinette. Ugh. If I'm going to watch something historical I want it to be as it actually was, not an artsy interpretation. I didn't like seeing Kevin Costner bust down the sign in Hidden Figures. That wasn't accurate. Little House on the Prairie wasn't accurate either. The doctor that delivered Laura Ingalls into the world was black, and he is nowhere to be found on the screen.

Weren't there some real black queens of England? A real story about that would be more endearing simply because it was real.

How come nobody ever does a biopic about Anne of Cleeves? Huh? Her story has much more drama than any of the other wives. She gets all excited because she has been chosen to be the wife of the King of England. She arrives to much fanfare only to be told by the king that she is too ugly to be his wife. How must she react to not end up in the Tower or with her head rolling around on the ground?

R32 I don't know what would offend the AA community more, that he's white or he's Jewish.

Oh, you know how black loves ginger.

The show was a tedious slog, r28

R3, actual black people aren't "in blackface" - stop being a stupid freeper

R1, where's your hate for white stars cast as historical figures they look nothing like? That's not realistic either. Are you going to protest Lawrence of Arabia because Peter O'Toole looked nothing like the real Lawrence?

{quote]Do you understand the difference between fact and fiction? Harry Potter was a piece of fiction, so they can cast whomever they like. Anne Boleyn was a real person and there are portraits of her. We know that she was white.

But is being white consequential to the story R27? If the story is just her being Anne Boleyn, then no. She is just a woman married to an asshole.

If they incorporate that she is black, he is white and drama ensues because of that, then yes, it is bullshit, but there is no reason she can't play Boleyn if they stick to "history", and she just happens to be black on screen, but as far as the story goes, it doesn't matter.

Maybe Harry can get the love of his life a job on the next season.

R41 But she's a black woman, in a position of power in a time when being black was not very powerful. So in this version of history, she sat back and watched people of her own race become enslaved, abused and raped and she did nothing.

[quote]Weren't there some real black queens of England? A real story about that would be more endearing simply because it was real.

Sort of like a British version of "Paris is Burning?"

She was smarter than she looked, r36. SHe did not object to the annulment, only requesting not to be sent back to Germany. She and Henry became quite good friends, and she was called "the King's Beloved Sister".

Anne Boleyn's position in history was to pull the King, and England, away from the Catholic Church and to the Protestant Church. I actually think a modern musical could be made of this. The music is all liturgy, then Anne comes in singing gospel "Oh Happy Day".

[quote]She was smarter than she looked, [R36]. SHe did not object to the annulment, only requesting not to be sent back to Germany. She and Henry became quite good friends, and she was called "the King's Beloved Sister".

Which is why she should get her own biopic. Has one ever been done of her? I find her the most interesting of the wives.

R40 lawrence was black? hhahah stupid niggers

Oh, shut up you perverted white queen.

R36 R47 Anne of Cleeves and Henry got on really well, she got Richmond Palace, and Hever Castle as part of her settlement and a huge income.

No conflict, boring TV

[quote] Are you going to protest Lawrence of Arabia because Peter O'Toole looked nothing like the real Lawrence?

The fuck? O’Toole greatly resembled Lawrence.

Please, hire Some asian actor to play Luther King, blacks would die

This is the sort of thing that drives white people CRAZY. They won't say anything but they will look for an opportunity to get even with Blacks, like storming the capitol. Don't do stupid stuff like this shit.

R54 lol you re primitive idiot/

The UK has specialized in colorblind casting for years. I went to the Royal National Theatre's production of His Dark Materials. Lyra was played by a young blonde girl who was a dead ringer for Renee Zellweger. Her mother, the evil Mrs. Coulter was played by the divine Lesley Manville. Lyra's guardian Lord Asriel was played by a very good if rather stolid black actor David Harewood. All well and good.

But the problem arose because the big reveal in the middle of His Dark Materials is that Lord Asriel isn't merely Lyra's guardian but her biological father. I have to say a muffled titter swept across the audience and it took you right out of the play.

[quote]But is being white consequential to the story [R27]? If the story is just her being Anne Boleyn, then no. She is just a woman married to an asshole. If they incorporate that she is black, he is white and drama ensues because of that, then yes, it is bullshit, but there is no reason she can't play Boleyn if they stick to "history", and she just happens to be black on screen, but as far as the story goes, it doesn't matter.

"...but there is no reason she can't play Boleyn if they stick to "history".

What? If they stick to history it certainly does matter.

[quote]But is being white consequential to the story

Uh...being white is the essence of the story.

They don't have to play like that R43.

I'm trying not to be an SJW, but there are many characters (even characters who are based on real life people) where race doesn't factor into the story.

I am asking (perhaps I'm asking too much), that people consider the performance over the actor's race. You are automatically putting issues of race on the character/story that didn't exist at the time. This is similar to "can gay actors play straight" or "straight actors play gay"? Of course they can. It is acting.

How so R57?

The Oscars are going to lose even more credibility if they give them all out to black actors like the SAGs did. It turns them into participation trophies. Diversity doesn't mean hiring all black actors and then not hiring out gay actors (Jodie Foster got snubbed this year), Latino actors, East Asian and South Asian actors, disabled actors.

No this is not similar to "can gay actors play straight" or "straight actors play gay"..She looks different, she is fucking black, blacks there couldnt be in her positions then , that reality....we all know that you want change history.. She looks ridicolous. I dont even caanot see at that picture

R58 I sort of could agree if I thought that every black actors ambition was to play a white character without any reference to their own race and experience?

Problem is if she plays Anne Boleyn, people will say Henry chopped her head off because he's a racist!!!

Some blacks attacked me on some BLACK site and they ask me what am i doing there? Becasue this is black site, they dont have permission to be on white sites, thought

[quote] Leslie Uggams as Queen Elizabeth!

They should make an all-Black musical based on the BRF and call it "Liz!"

What’s the point of having a black Anne Boleyn? Was the real Anne black? I don’t get it.

It's Channel 5. Tits will be shown.

[quote]This is similar to "can gay actors play straight" or "straight actors play gay"? Of course they can. It is acting.

It is not similar. You can't "see" gay (as much as we joke about gayface and gay voice). You only know someone is gay if they tell you or you discover them in an adult bookstore on their knees. You can see skin color.

Where woke posturing intersects with gimmick casting....

So a black actor can never play historical "white" parts R68? (Lord getting, inadvertately, into SJW territory now)..

You believe they are the character or you don't. Lady MacBeth for example, could be played by a black actress, because being black (for the actress) has nothing to do with the part. A black actress could still play the part as well. To put the extra "layer" of "would the court of Lord Macbeth react the same to a black wife"? Of course they wouldn't, but you are putting that layer on the performance just by the race of the actress.

She is just playing Lady MacBeth. The race of the actress is immaterial.

Could a white actor play Obama? No, because being black was a important "role" (IDW), of his presidency. For a lot of historical roles (sans Othello) does it really matter?

[quote]She is just playing Lady MacBeth. The race of the actress is immaterial.

Once again, Lady MacBeth was a fictional character. We have no actual pictures of her. Anne Boylen was a real person who we have pictures of.

Could a black woman play Hillary Clinton?

Why are a-holes using SJW? Are you 4chan? Fuck that term--it reveals a subtle attitude of sympathy with the Trumper whites.

Depends. How many fingers does she have?

I hope The Crown casts Michael B Jordan to play Prince William. Maybe Jamie Foxx as Tony Blair.

It'd probably be easier to have a black actress playing any of Henry VIII's final 3 wives (Anne of Cleves, Catherine Howard or Catherine Parr), who didn't have children that went on to change history.

Can they behead her without it looking like a hate crime?

[quote]Could a black woman play Hillary Clinton?

That is an interesting question R71.

In "real" life, I'm sure if Bill Clinton's wife was black it would have been an even bigger shit show than it was in real life.

If Alfie Woodward, had played the part, you have to divorce yourself from her being black, would it be different?

Alfrie Woodward can play a stone cold bitch like anyone.

[quote]Skillet blonde.

What in the hell does this mean? Skillet blonde?

[quote]If Alfie Woodward, had played the part, you have to divorce yourself from her being black, would it be different?

Well in that case why stop at race? Let's have Hillary played by someone who is obese. Or by a 90 year old man.

You really are ridiculous.

Joey Lawrence IS Malcolm X!

Shouldn't fat actors also be pissed that they cast a fit guy to play the corpulent Henry VIII?

[quote] Why are a-holes using SJW? Are you 4chan?

No we are not. But if the shoe fits, wear it.

Some of the most deadly and on-target shit thrown at Trump in 2020 came from the Lincoln Project. Say what you want about them, and it’d probably be right, but those scathing ads were amazing and true.

Well the same goes for criticism of pseudo-progressive posturing assholes. Social justice warrior is the perfect moniker for them.

Frankly attempting to shoehorn us in with right wingers is just more identity-based bullshit. “You use same word as bad man, you bad too!!!”

All this wholeness is just stupid and embarrassing now.

R72 No, it doesn't. Get with the program. Invent your own words.

R57, being "white" is hardly the essence of the story. Sex, power, sure, but not some anachronistic idea of "whiteness."

[quote]Alfie Woodward

WOODARD.

Joanne is the cracker.

I hope this new queen will help pacify David Lammy.

That's BEAU-LYNN to you, OP!

QUEEN ANNe BEAU-LYNN TWO-DOOR.

Hank loves my wit and sixth finger.

To choose a historical character who's child had repercussions on European (if not World) events is mind numbingly stupid.

I suppose black Napoleon is next?

Nicholas Sander, a Catholic living in exile, wrote, “She had a projecting tooth under the upper lip, and on her right hand six fingers.

There was a large wen under her chin, and therefore to hide its ugliness she wore a high dress covering her throat.

Baizuo are the death of the West.

Baizuo is a Chinese neologism and political epithet used to refer to Western leftist ideologies primarily espoused by white leftists.

Olivia Coleman to star as Harriet Tubman in "The Underground Railroad"

So the ‘cultural appropriation‘ accusation silliness is over? Good. Because Nicole Kidman will bring so much to the lead in the remake of The Color Purple.

Judi Dench *is* Coretta Scott King!

I was only one measly bad decision away from playing the great Harriet Tubman to perfection.

It's not unusual for white actors to portray non-white historical characters, e.g., Elizabeth Taylor as Cleopatra, John Wayne as Genghis Khan, Ben Affleck as Antonio J. Mendez, Angelina Jolie as Mariane Pearl, Joseph Fiennes as Michael Jackson

[quote] Why are a-holes using SJW? Are you 4chan? Fuck that term--it reveals a subtle attitude of sympathy with the Trumper whites.

Bless. A wee offence-primed Gen Z newbie just stumbled in and is triggered - SHOCKED! - at the lack of respect for SJWs and Correct Reality View! Names will be shouted. Cancellations demanded. Anxiety levels raised even more. How very dare you all! How can this happen? Mommy!!!

Brava!

About time.

Constance Wu IS Sojourner Truth!

[quote] It's not unusual for white actors to portray non-white historical characters, e.g., Elizabeth Taylor as Cleopatra, John Wayne as Genghis Khan, Ben Affleck as Antonio J. Mendez, Angelina Jolie as Mariane Pearl, Joseph Fiennes as Michael Jackson

True (btw Cleopatra was Macedonian Greek that's Caucasian / white). But it was done with the transforming results resembling those original characters: much darker tone, curly hair, ethnic facial hair styling and features done by makeup, actors whose look can blend in among Asians - "passing", basically Rachel Dolezalism. For black actors to play white characters with the same standards above, they should be literally drowned in white makeup, and their features altered to resemble those specific white characters.

Is it not schizophrenia when they labour to get the sets and costumes historically accurate?

[quote] Shouldn't fat actors also be pissed that they cast a fit guy to play the corpulent Henry VIII?

r81 It will be next, just wait. Nowadays the buzzwords thrown by the enraged people against such injustice are: racism (right ethnic actors for ethnic roles), transphobia (trans for trans roles), whorephobia? (sex workers for sex worker roles - Laverne Cox scandal) and FATPHOBIA.

[quote] Alfie Woodward

[quote] WOODARD. Joanne is the cracker.

Also, it's ALFRE. Alfie was the Limey cracker.

"The Oscars are going to lose even more credibility if they give them all out to black actors like the SAGs did. "

And yet, they had credibility for you when they gave then all out to white actors, huh?

I wonder why you would think that.

Such a mystery.

Stupid idea.

That actress is lovely. Looking forward to seeing this.

What's so wrong about a character playing another race? Worked for me!

Not losing my mind but it is just a bit ridiculous. I mean everyone knows what Anne Boleyn looked like and of course, that she was white. I don't even think there were too many African people in England at the time....maybe a few, but hardly. l mean, it is as ridiculous as those blondes in silent films playing Egyptian pharaoh wives. If Margot Robbie played in a biopic about Donna Summer it would be a bit odd to say the least.

I think the actress is stunning as f. But i would never see her as Ann Boylen. That's ridiculous. And more importantly, her husband will always be the unforgettable Pacey Witter in my eyes. Beautiful couple.

That being said, black people in the West continue to talk about cultural appropriation whenever something isn't right for them, but they don't mind taking the place of whites in historical films. That's why I don't walk into their perpetual victimization. BLMs which is funded by George Soros the same asshole who always demands more migrants in Europe when he is not European, all these people are creating more hatred than union between blacks and whites.

Woke culture is frankly the worst subculture America could spreading in the world. Because it is about erasing History for some white psychopaths and also taking revenge for some blacks who are unable to go forward and see that positioning themselves as a victim is a great mistake. It is wanted by the govs. I don't see black people as victims but as human beings.

Anne Boleyn 𝕺𝖑𝖉𝖊 𝕾𝖙𝖞𝖑𝖊

Good Christian people, I am come hither to die, for according to the law, and by the law I am judged to die, and therefore I will speak nothing against it. I am come hither to accuse no man, nor to speak anything of that, whereof I am accused and condemned to die.

Anne Boleyn ῳơƙɛ ʂɬყƖɛ

Yo! fly Chrahstaha peep, I is chahll hahdar ta dahe, for accordahng ta da law, a' by da law I is judged ta dahe, like, a' darefore I wahll speak not'ahng agaahnst aht. I is chahll hahdar ta accuse nah geezer, nor ta speak aythahng of dat, whereof I is accused a' condemned ta dahe. What it is, Mama!

No, I won't be losing my mind; it doesn't bother me. I like the idea of color-blind casting. It bothered me more that the Diana in The Crown didn't match my idea of Diana.

It's interesting that otherwise color blindness is now very frowned upon by modern anti-racists. I wonder how adherents of critical race theory square this kind of thing? Is it wrong for a black woman to play Anne Boleyn because it obscures structural racism?

If further evidence was needed as to why the film industry is dead, this is it.

We opera queens are used to this. It’s FINE. And let’s not forget all the Dames who take on Lear, Prospero, and Hamlet. There are so many necessary differences between the historical Anne Boleyn and ANY actress playing her today—the fact that you’re fixated on the skin color matching up says more about YOU than it does the performance.

R114 Amen, thank you baby.

It's absurd.

Instead of telling stories of black people, they are telling stories of white people using a black actress.

Not a good idea.

There are a lot of very interesting black historical characters (and other minorities, because blacks are not the only one) and it would be interesting to tell their stories because most of them are unknown for the masses. Instead of that we get a black Anne Boleyn

R105 The problem are not the black actors, there are the perfomances.

After Boseman and Day winning the reviews on the main newspaper of Spain were that neither of them were by any means the best performance of the year.

Giving an award to fill a quota doesn't make any favours

I think it's great. It will showcase Henry VIII's little-recognised anti-racist and multi-cultural credentials.

A South Asian actress played Anne Boleyn in 1933.

[quote]the fact that you’re fixated on the skin color matching up says more about YOU than it does the performance.

The fact is that fixation only becomes an issue for the "diversity" mob when the skin is white.

It’s all in the timing. BLM. Hollywood becoming Woke and suddenly realizing actors of color are not always treated fairly then BOOM black actors sweep the SAG awards. Were all of them deserving? No. Is every acting award winner in history deserving? No. Did Pia Zadora deserve a Golden Globe? No. The bottom line is these awards are ridiculous and shouldn’t be taken seriously.

R97 you are fucking idiot... i am not surprised blacks only steal in USa with such mind

OP point blank says a lot of you guys are gonna lose your minds over this, and then you proceed to lose your minds over it.

God DAMN, how do you not have anything else in your life to worry about? How does this non-issue get you so upset?

R116 Exactly. Finallu someone with a brain here

But there's the question, will a move or tv show get as much press if they tell black stories with black actors?

Anne of the Thousand Days? No, Hollywood of a Thousand Nut Cases!

[quote]But there's the question, will a move or tv show get as much press if they tell black stories with black actors?

Online free streaming sites are full of films by, about and for Black audiences. Not a White (or any other race for that matter) face to be seen anywhere. Perhaps this may provide an indication of their popularity.

R114 - it says something about them if they don't know history and geography. How on earth would Henry VIII meet an African woman and fall in love at that point in history and in that geographic location? The chances are slim to none. There were probably a total of 10 human beings who were black in the whole country. He may have seen maybe one in his life. The choice of this actress is silly because it would totally change the narrative of the history. Ok, make a movie about anyone loving anyone but when EVERYONE knows who Henry VIII was, there are portraits and narratives of and about Anne this is just totally silly.

Are they going to change the story so that she’s beheaded by a white police officer while resisting arrest?

I’m willing to give it a shot. If she can act she can act. We’ve already had version with white actesses that have taken a tone of artistic liberties, hello The Tudors. So since I doubt they would have tried to be more then a typical drama, why not let a person of color have a go. We’ve told this story 10,000 times so we aren’t lacking in white versions.

We're not lacking in black versions of Porgy & Bess. What do you think the chances of seeing a white version are?

[quote]OP point blank says a lot of you guys are gonna lose your minds over this, and then you proceed to lose your minds over it. God DAMN, how do you not have anything else in your life to worry about? How does this non-issue get you so upset?

It sounds like the only one who is upset is you.

It's a discussion forum. Some of us think it's a dumb idea. So?

[quote]What do you think the chances of seeing a white version are?

actually, quite good if you are a racist hungarian

R133 Good for them. Bravi.

[quote]And let’s not forget all the Dames who take on Lear, Prospero, and Hamlet.

Like R25, you're comparing apples to oranges. What you're conveniently forgetting is those are FICTIONAL CHARACTERS you listed, R114. Nobody is clutching their pearls because some fantasy figure is reinterpreted. Yes, there should be more diversity casting and fictional stories offer a lot more opportunity for that. Make James Bond black? Fine. Film a Star Wars story where all the human characters are non-white? Okay. Why not? Creative license is common enough in fiction.

Changing the race or sex of a REAL person is ridiculous stunt casting. This Anne Boleyn series could work if it were a fictional take "inspired by real life persons and events" or a parody or a musical (like Hamilton). That's not how it's being presented. It distracts from the story they are telling.

One should ask: why can't they tell the stories of historical non-white people? There must be plenty of historical accounts not based on European history that would make great entertainment. Now, especially, there's an audience ready for it. Why use a black actress to piggy-back onto the same Boleyn story told over and over again? It promotes a false idea that the only interesting stories are white stories.

There is such hypocrisy in this, too. These woke people applauding a black Anne Boleyn are the same ones who insisted on accuracy in casting: Chinese characters should only be played by Chinese actors, only gay people can play gay characters, only transgender people can play transgender characters. Except white characters can be played by non-white actors. They complain loudly and often about cultural appropriation. You bet they would be losing their minds if Julia Roberts were actually cast as Harriet Tubman. They can't have it both ways.

And OP, you're a bit late. There was already a thread on this back in February:

R135, how can this not be “a fictional take” on the historical characters? Every historical drama is just that. We’re limited in what we know or ever can know about these long-dead people. What’s really being filmed is our own inventions and interpretations.

Is the actress "playing white" in her acting choices?

It's not "whiteface" yet but veering close!

Look who she chose to marry.

Well, it's out, and she is getting raves though the series is not.

And of course she chose to marry a white guy.

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I didn’t see you bitches complaining about the hot Jonathan Rhys-something playing the old fat and stinky Henry VIII.

This wacky tv version lost over 300,000 viewers from part 1 to part 3.

I watched ep 1 for free on a Prime and I have no interest in watching the rest. ZZZzzzzzzzzzz. The Tudors wasn’t exactly historically accurate but it was fun. This is just plain dull. No one in the cast stands out. They’re all adequate and well trained and that’s about it.