Rue McClanahan lost her Golden Girls money in the Bernie Madoff scandal & was broke

Leslie also said that Mary Frann, who played Bob Newhart's wife on Newhart, was the biggest bitch he ever worked with.

Well, Blanche was an easy mark. I easily sold her all that aerobics gear and she didn't hesitate on the price of anything.

I always wonder why the people who lost money to Madoff had it all in one place. I spread my money around.

I'm surprised he didn't tell about the first time he met Robert Downey, Jr. since he's told the story many times. Leslie was doing a short stretch in the LA jail for drugs, and this was during RDJ's renowned dope crazy days. RDJ had been arrested and they stuck him in the cell with Leslie. The next time they met RDJ said "haven't we met before?". And Leslie reminded him of their sordid past. 😄

Rue had to clean up the pile of shit that Bea left on Betty’s dressing room floor.

She didn't have to because Estelle ate it up, the poor demented creature.

I do not feel sorry for any Madoff victims. How stupid could you be? Nobody makes the returns on investments that he promised.

Greedy and foolish people deserve all they get.

I remember Kevin Bacon and his wife were also very big Madoff victims.

I agree with r7, anyone who would fall for Bernie's con and give him ALL your money would give Trump all your money, so too bad you greedy idiot

[quote] Leslie also said that Mary Frann, who played Bob Newhart's wife on Newhart, was the biggest bitch he ever worked with.

I could have told you that.

Yvonne never ceases to make me laugh.

Rue spread her legs alot.

Madoff victims were reimbursed at about an 85% of total rate. Some of them had a tough couple of years, but they did get the majority of their $ back.

Many of Madoff's victims didn't deal with him directly but through brokers and firms, so it wasn't a case of people seeing a shady deal and agreeing to it out of greed.

It's always struck me as particularly odd that people who clearly have NO IDEA how the Madoff scam worked will judge everyone who was a victim of it as a bad person who deserved to suffer.

And the "if you gave money to Madoff then you were definitely a Trumpster" thing is just pure, unfiltered stupidity.

Why does Cohen think he has to physically move the show along with exaggerated faces, reactions and fake laughing- and shouting like he has no microphone?

Newhart hated Frann too.

Man, I fucking LOVE Leslie Jordan.

He has no fucks to give, he just says what he wants.

I heard a piece on Leslie on NPR over the weekend- he's coming out with a gospel album, singing with some big starts, like Dolly.

STARS

Bob Newhart also said that Frann was a cunt.

Describe more of what happened. Nobody wants to watch some shitty Youtube video

Mary Frann! I believe him, but that wasn’t my experience. Worked w her at Disney. She was almost too nice, which I guess is a different kind of red flag. It was like spending 3 days w a local morning show hostess.

Rue didn’t seem to make her money go as far. Bea died with a Brentwood estate, Betty still has her Brentwood estate. Rue had a simple house in Encino and downsized to a condo. I think she had the condo before the Madoff deal.

Rue didn't have as prosperous a career as did Bea and Betty, either.

Rue was only a supporting player on Maude and she didn't do much between Maude and GG.

She didn't have much after GG, either.

R25, Rue has a good cameo as the murder victim of Patrick McGoohan in one of the later "Columbo" episodes -- "Ashes to Ashes".

If she did lose a ton of money in the Madoff scandal I wonder if she was able to get any of it back in the settlement before she died or if her estate got any back after she died.

[quote]Rue spread her legs alot.

Oh, dear.

Rue had SIX husbands. I'm sure she lost plenty in property settlements and spousal support (not to mention attorneys' fees.)

Rue had a cocaine addiction until the last couple of years of her life, I'm sure a lot of money went up her nose.

According to Mary Frann's IMBD she staved herself into a fatal heart attack so maybe she wasn't mean, just cranky from being hungry.

R30 she also turned tricks when she was broke. Her granny porn videos also sold like hot cakes!

Who here is going to buy Leslie Jordan's gospel album?

Nobody? I thought so.

I knew Rue had to be in trouble when she opened that cafe from the grave.

R30 is any of that true?

She was a slut, just like Blanche. Typecasting.

Rue's original nose was cute. I wonder who told her otherwise.

[quote]I spread my money around.

Like manure? Encouraging young things to grow?

Are your shutters forest green?

Rue also had a quite large apartment in NYC. I remember it was on the market years back.

Did she hope for a big stage career in New York post GG?

I saw her on Broadway in Wicked. She was great. With Ben Vereen.

[quote]I do not feel sorry for any Madoff victims. How stupid could you be? Nobody makes the returns on investments that he promised.

I think his victims fall into two categories: 1) the greedy ones who heard big returns and salivated; and 2) the ones who had a bit of money, but were not money savvy so trusted people who suggested that Madoff was a very knowledgeable and smart place to put your money.

While there were a handful of people who raised some concerns about Madoff, they didn't get a lot of press. Also, before he started the company, Madoff was well-regarded and credible among Wall Street investors.

Didn't people like Kyra Sedgwick and Kevin Bacon lose a lot of money also? She's from OLD money and her father was a well-known venture capital guy. He died in 2018 at 90 years old. Kyra had been investing for years with Madoff by the time the scandal started getting attention in 2001 and when it actually exploded in 2008. If someone as well connected to that world as Sedwick got taken, I'm not surprised at how many others were.

R3 they let greed cloud their judgement. But, they acted like us. Most of us have money in a 401k. Let’s say you get connected to a firm with decades of positive returns. You Amy he inclined to invest. He was beating out he blue chips.

But m, common sense would say diversify. They got greedy. But it’s not their fault. We all try to make what we can off of the market.

I've read that the court appointed receiver was able to return much of the original amounts invested. People were able to recoup much of their capital, but lost potential investment returns. It must have been a financial hit, but I don't think after the unwinding, she was left destitute.

All those years toiling away on Golden Girls and Maude only to lose it all in a scam. The Golden Girls curse is real!

R8, So was Larry King.

Where did Bob Newhart disparage Mary Frann? I googled but can't find anything. It seems out of character for him to put down a costar.

MAC BIRD!

The fact that they ended that sitcom with Newhart waking up to his previous TV wife does suggest that Frann wasn't held in high esteem.

^And yet, Bob suggested to Emily she consider wearing more sweaters.

Was Mary Frann family? I do so wonder. No kids, but from a generation where that would be expected. a middle aged marriage which lasted ten years. Makes a person wonder.

Rue had a time. She was marrying men left and right. I bet she committed adultery on her wedding night(s) a time or two. Woman had her way with a young Brad Davis in her backyard or so the story goes.

Madoff was a POS. He even screwed over the Elie Wiesel Foundation for Humanity didn't he? How low can you go? My goodness. Diversify what all you have yourself or learn how to your own self I do dare say.

I love that the pandemic made a star out of someone like Leslie Jordan. He seems to have worked or met with just about everyone and has all the good stories. I always smile when he turns up in an episode of a TV show or a movie.

r5 Did Bea dislike Betty that much??!!😆😲

O.P. in the clip Leslie said he doesn't know how much she lost. So it may not have been all "her money"

R54, He clearly says that "she didn't have any money, just like me" when he was talking about the touring show he did with Rue.

Rue was on NBC’s Mama’s Family for a couple of seasons playing Aunt Fran.

Poor Rue was following the Lucille Ball career path. Do a successful sitcom, then try your hand at musical comedy. And like Lucy, Rue was awful at it.

Rue's cock was much shorter than Bea's.

[quote] I spread my money around.

Make sure that and sunshine is all you spread around.

[quote]Leslie was doing a short stretch in the LA jail for drugs, and this was during RDJ's renowned dope crazy days. RDJ had been arrested and they stuck him in the cell with Leslie. The next time they met RDJ said "haven't we met before?". And Leslie reminded him of their sordid past.

I love this story.

Rue and Leslie also did the Sordid Lives TV show together on LOGO several years ago. I loved that show, but I think I was the only one who watched it.

R61 It was so amazing!

R61 It also starred Olivia Newton John as a lesbian country singer!

[Quote] It also starred Olivia Newton John as a lesbian country singer!

How did she prepare for the role? Follow herself around for a year?

I just saw Rue as the Countess De Lave in the Great Performances "The Women." She was--guess what?--funny...."If you live in Switzerland, you must accept the Alps!"

Rue had a stretched out old snatch.

On Mary Frann, I never read Newhart saying anything negative about her. I was reading a blog posted by an actress who was stand-in for Julia Duffy. She also played the twin in that hilarious episode where Stephanie stared in a sitcom about having a twin. Anyway, she gave some behind-the-scenes shit.

From what I remember, Newhart didn't care for Frann.

Didn't socialize with her and complained about her mugging for the camera. As the show progressed, he wanted her to have less and less screen time. He and Tom Poston were buddies from wayyy back --btw, did you know that Poston MARRIED Pleshette long after the show was off the air?

The stand-in also said that Newhart wasn't particularly friendly with the people he didn't know before the show. I think he respected what they brought, but he wasn't very social. It sounds like he's a weird dude. And the poster upthread is correct. The fact that they brought in Pleshette for the final scene screams volumes. If I was Frann, I would've been RIPSHIT.

Don’t actors get residuals for show repeats ?

[quote]Rue had SIX husbands. I'm sure she lost plenty in property settlements and spousal support (not to mention attorneys' fees.)

Good point.

Why was Rue married so many times?

Stop with the “they brought Pleshette in” crap. She was a guest star for a 30 second bit that was the most brilliant ending for a sitcom. That ending was pure genius.

I'm surprised that Rue would have had a bad relationship with Bea since Rue was a regular on Maude.

Why would Bea even allow her to be part of the show if she didn't like her.

They didn't have a bad relationship. The producers asked Rue to call Bea and get her to accept the role of Dorothy. Bea accepted Rue's call and took the role after hearing that Rue would be playing "Sue Ann Nivens" and that Betty White would be playing the dunce role.

R42 people can’t be savvy in everything and most trust ‘experts’ to make decisions for them. I debated with too many people early last year on the merits of wearing face masks to combat covid, but it all fell on deaf ears until those experts changed their tunes. Sadly it’s hard to convince people that not everybody has their best interests at heart. You’d think after last year we might take a step back and maybe stop blindly following authority. Maybe respect it but remain skeptical and definitely be open to red flags like “face masks don’t work but we need to save them for healthcare workers” comments made by people while they’re actually wearing surgical masks lol. But we haven’t learned squat.

This sounds like the storyline for a Golden Girls episode: Blanche starts dating a successful gentleman who tries to convince the ladies to put all of their money into his investment fund where they are guaranteed to earn big bucks. Dorothy thinks it all sounds too good to be true and tries to talk Blanche and Rose out of it. Sophia knows that he's a con man--she's from Sicily, after all. Blanche ignores their warnings and goes ahead and invests her life savings with him and loses everything. She then has to get a job running the drive-thru window at Burger Guy.

Madoff personally recruited some people and his line was always "don't tell anyone else you're getting this deal," so that would be a big red flag to anyone with sense. Typical con--you are the smart one but keep it down low.

Rue and Bea got along fine. It was Betty that Bea hated and Bea shit on Betty’s dressing room floor.

Did a smoking nun suggest Rue invest with Madoff?

Rue lost touch with Bea because Bea remained friendly with Rue's fourth husband after they had a bitter divorce. Bea would have dinner parties and would take cooking classes with him, and Rue felt it would be extremely awkward to socialize with her knowing that he would most likely be there. But they didn't hate each other, and remained on friendly terms until Bea's passing.

R70 Who the fuck is saying that it wasn't good? Stop reading into shit.

HOWEVER, Frann was the lead actress on that show for 8 SEASONS. Anybody with a pulse would be pissed that Newhart brought in the actress from his previous show to close his current one. It's a goddamn insult.

Had no idea Doris Roberts was considered for part of Blanche on Golden Girls. Just cannot see how that would have worked. Marie Barone a slut?

[quote]It was Betty that Bea hated

Why did Betty & Bea not like each other?

[quote]Had no idea Doris Roberts was considered for part of Blanche on Golden Girls

That's because she wasn't. Read the headline of the article you linked.

It was Vivian on Maude that she was offered. Bea Arthur and her were friends and when they were casting Vivian, Bea called her up and told her to come out and audition. But Norman Lear thought she was too similar to Bea. That's when he went with Rue.

[quote]This sounds like the storyline for a Golden Girls episode: Blanche starts dating a successful gentleman who tries to convince the ladies to put all of their money into his investment fund where they are guaranteed to earn big bucks.

There was an episode where Blanche and Sophia got conned out of $2000 in a “pigeon drop” scam.

[quote]At the mall, a man claims to find a wallet full of money near Blanche and Sophia with no ID. The three of them agree to put a notice in the paper, and to split the money if they don’t hear back soon. A seemingly random nun advises that, since they don’t know each other, they should deposit the money in a joint account and all put up equal amounts of their own money as a show of good faith.

R82 I could have seen her as being considered for Dorothy, though - and, of course, it’s another Jew playing an Italian, blah blah.

Also remember she’s the one (with Selma Diamond) who did that “Miami Nice” bit (I think it was at the Emmys, they used to show that clip on GG bios) that the whole Golden Girls was based on.

[quote]Don’t actors get residuals for show repeats ?

They do. But, the residual amounts reduce over time.

He tries too hard now - the overly fake laugh etc.

R81, according to Betty, it was just a personality clash. Betty was always happy-go-lucky and upbeat, and this annoyed Bea.

[quote]Bea Arthur and her were friends

Oh, dear.

[quote]I could have seen her as being considered for Dorothy, though - and, of course, it’s another Jew playing an Italian, blah blah.

She won four Emmys for doing just that on another show.

R89 that was kind of my point.

Also, Rue didn’t make nearly the money Bea and Betty did, so it wasn’t a question of it “not going as far.”

She lived in an unremarkable post-war building off Sutton that I’m sure she didn’t pay much for. Had nice outdoor space if I remember though.

r66: Eat dirt and die, trash.

I mentioned earlier that while Bea and Betty had Brentwood estates, Rue had a "simple" house in Encino. While she even mentions that the house is simple, the grounds were spectacular. She looked for years until she found the right yard, the house didn't matter to her.

r24

Rue worked consistently in television from the time she did Maude to her passing. She never went a year without doing something. She also did theater and movie work. Add to that a SAG pension, I'm sure she wasn't doing so bad.

All three ladies were paid a million for the year they did Golden Palace.

Her apartment in NYC was rent controlled at a very affordable price.

Rue sucked ALOT of cock!

Were any of Rue's husbands gay?

[quote]Rue sucked ALOT of cock!

Oh, dear.

Rue’s cunt was SO stretched out. She was a whore.

I saw Leslie Jordan years ago at Swinging Richards in Atlanta. We were all so jealous because he had all the boys crowded around his table.

Rue had no idea how to achieve financial success. She should have found herself a weak-willed and simple-minded member of the British Royal Family and married him instead of those other losers she wed. Okay, so maybe Rue wouldn't have gotten a tiara out of it, but if she were willing to declare her husband's family racist and shed a few fake tears, she'd have been set for life when it comes to money.

R99 shes part Cherokee Indian I believe so that may actually have worked.

She’s also someone who should have never touched her nose (can’t say that for Markle, but..) it was perfectly nice and cute and they literally chopped half of it off - not a good look.

Now that Madoff is dead, I hope Rue's estate gets some of her money back.

The number one rule in investing is to never put all your eggs in one basket.

Leslie Jordan is a midget POHS.

I don't feel sorry for people who fell for schemes like Madoff's, though many fell in good if foolish faith, but I can summon up some empathy for someone who's lost everything. I was glad to read his victims got 85% of their money back. I mean, the choice is to live in a world where you believe someone like Madoff lies purposely and coldly and convincingly to your face. Do you want to live in that world? I don't. I believe in care and caution but other than too good to be true - and that's a massive red flag, certainly - do you really want to go through every day thinking everyone you meet is a dangerous liar? I mean, evidently a lot of people here do, but let's be honest, this place would fit nicely in a Ryan Murphy show.

Imagine toiling away on Maude and Golden Girls for all those years and then losing it all in a flash. Doing a weekly TV show is hard work and she did it for decades.

John Malkovich also lost all his money Madoff. So embarrassing.

Sitcoms are the dream schedule for an actor.

I'm glad that Angela Lansbury didn't lose her Murder She Wrote money to Madoff. I'm guessing that Angela made a fortune from that show and was very smart with her money.

Madoff has died.

I wonder if Kevin Bacon and Kyra Sedgwick are celebrating.

R106

John Malkovich only lost $2 million invested with Madoff, of which about $700k was eventually recovered. Don't know if $2 million represented total initial investment or what was in his accounts when shit hit the fan.

Most if not all Madoff investors got back some or all what they originally invested IIRC. It was the inflated returns they lost which was as it should.

R105 Stop it! Hard work???? Rue got paid a shit ton of money for working 22-26 weeks a year on Golden Girls. She had 26 weeks off. My heart bleeds that the dumb cunt Rue list her money that she worked half time for.

R112 if you’re gonna be bitter I can think of soooo many more people to direct that hatred toward. She never made that much money and always lived relatively modestly.

Rue was a dumb cunt who spread her legs for anyone. Her last husband said that her pussy reeked.

[quote]Imagine toiling away on Maude and Golden Girls for all those years and then losing it all in a flash. Doing a weekly TV show is hard work and she did it for decades.

Hey.

What happens when someone dies in prison? Does the govt pay for burial/cremation or does the family get the body? Are you allowed to have a funeral for a scumbag sociopath? What's the protocol?

R116

Things may vary slightly by state, but this pretty much answers your question.