Is Anyone Elegant Anymore?

NO its too white and racist these days

No, that day ended on November 8, 1965

R2, Operation Hump?

Moi.

Kate Middleton.

Who really was back then? It was all smoke and mirrors and big MGM bulbs.

I hope you are jesting R5. Nothing elegant about boring Kate.

no, because if anyone is elegant they would be seen as from the "olden days"

Julie Andrews and Audrey Hepburn were the last of the elegant ladies. In today's society, if a man is elegant, he's considered gay.

Perhaps Joanna Lumley?

OP, have you not seen the many threads on Nicolas Fairford, YouTube's Arbiter of Elegance?

OP is 300 years old.

Holy crap, what a shame. What became of class?

Dita Von Teese is elegant.

Joan Collins. Say what you like about her, she always makes an effort.

Rolls eyes at R7.

r5 She's no Camilla.

I think too many people find elegance oppressive to be around now.

r18 How so?

No.

Elegance is learned...

Dude, who cares

Piss elegant queens are a dime a dozen here OP.

I am.

I forgot about Nicolas. He comes across as very elegant

I think Billy Porter is rather elegant

Assuming that you're distinguishing between "elegant" and "glamorous" I'd say that QEII is elegant.

Among the younger celebrity crowd, you could make an argument for Lupita Nyong’o.

Tom Ford has an elegance even when he’s a bit nutty about it.

OP is most elegant of all.

Elegant Elliot Offen is.

True elegance died with Kitty Carlisle.

Piss-elegant.

Come see about me.

What are your parameters for "elegant" OP? And can men be considered elegant? I really don't think of men this way, but do understand R28 posting Tom Ford.

Would George Clooney fit your definition?

I’m too fat to be elegant, but I have beautiful manners.

Define elegance? Or are you referring to what used to be called "fine living" or "gracious living" in the middle of the last century?

In high school, I worked at the third oldest Burdine's, and the old-timers told me women would dress up and wear gloves to go shopping in the 50s and early 60s. House models would show the high-end clothes to prospective customers. The store had not been remodeled (it was sold and turned into soulless office space), and it contained all sorts of cornices, chandeliers, and a women's lounge where shoppers could rest. By the time I got there, its original restaurants had closed, though.

Elegance still exists, "gracious living" has gone with the wind.

I hope this helps to define Elegance.

William and Kate are elegance personified.

r38 They're no Chuck and Cam.

Ma chère ami Farah Pahlavi, L'Impératrice douairière en exil, Ypir, Catherine Deneuve, and 25% of the men in Italy.

R16, no I'm not a MM fan. Don't really care about her one way or the other but Kate is too tomboyish, tanned and haggard looking and that long hair is not elegant. She dresses like a matronly frump most of the time.

Natasha Leggero? Albeit parodied elegance

Visit Milan Italy if you want to where elegance still lives.

I love Donna Brasil's old style elegance. She's always in full make-up flawlessly applied, nice jewelry, smart chic outfits, the blue grey hair perfectly coiffed. She's very 1962.

^^Brazile

Iman always looked very elegant to me. A lot of women from that part of Africa have an elegance to them.

Everything was better in MY day!

People were more elegant when they supported Jim Crow laws and sodomy laws!

Even old people now are trashy, particularly a lot of the old Baby-Boomers. I remember when old people dressed up in nice clothes every day, even in retirement.

R46 Idiot.

Elegant? Why if course I'm elegant, darling. I'm a very wealthy woman. My husband keeps me in the finest clothes from Bergdorf Goodmans you see.

It depends on where you are. In more upscale areas,you still see a lot of older ladies very well turned out. The younger ones,not so much. When I first started going to St. Pete Fl in the 70s,one of the things I absolutely loved was seeing old ladies in their hats and gloves and old gents in seersucker suits . They were the remnants of a vanished world. They all had such beautiful manners too. The last time I went to St. Pete there wasnt even a shred of any of that left. I always try to look as good as I can when I go outsomewhere,ironed clothes,neatly groomed etc. I cant tell you the number of times people have asked me why I was "dressed up" . It makes me sad for them.

Sean Connery was an elegant man.

The elegant days are over.

Now it's all about that WAP and putting million dollar diamonds in your forehead

R15 I was going to say Joan Collins, but on second thought I think she’s more glamorous than elegant. Glamour is becoming a rarity as well.

Tim Gunn

Too much teen, ghetto and internet lingo has infiltrated its way into the English language.

Sade Adu

I think Princess Caroline of Monaco/Hanover presents as elegant.

Agree, R45, and to that I'd say David Bowie was an example of an elegant man.

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Cardi B is

R55 the racist has to blame "ghetto" speech.

Nothing is less elegant than racism.

[quote]putting million-dollar diamonds in your forehead

I did that, first. - Liz

R52, being a racist Republican isn't elegant.

Is Marjorie Taylor Greene elegant to you?

I thought Meghan was very elegant during my interview with her.

R61 The term "ghetto" isn't racist unless you make it racist.

Well, hello, OP!

Welcome to my elegant world!

I have a theory! Since we've been declining in elegance over the decades and centuries, we are in the doldrums of mainstream clothing wear at this point in time with casualness taken to an extreme and everyone wearing sleepwear, sweatpants, hoodies, gym shorts etc.

In one hundred years (mark your calendars!) elegance will reemerge as the everyday look. This shit always moves in circles/cycles.

R67, no. People in the past wore "elegant" clothes because they were expected to, not necessarily because that's how they wanted to dress. If they'd had the option of dressing casually they would have,taken it.

BTW, I bet the eldergay busybodies complaining about how other people dress probably don't wear business suits all day.

R65, you're just making excuses for racists.

Funny how the elderly Republicans think "ghetto" stuff and WAP are so terrible....but admire Kim Guilfoyle, Melania, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and Lauren Boebert, all of whom are tacky as hell.

R69 and you're assuming "ghetto" only refers to people of color, which makes YOU the racist.

Am I the only person who always wonders how those old elegant clothes smelled? There were no machiens to do laundry and both bathing and textile cleaning were less frequent. Imagine what a man wearing a shirt, vest/waistcoat, jacket, stockings and hat and what a woman wearing three foundation garments underneath a dress and gloves would have smelled like in New York City summers in the early 1900s.

Probably better for photos, and there's got to be a reason that custom changed.

I'm not R65, but do live in what most would refer to as "the ghetto". I'm surrounded by black people, and they do in fact make fun of white people who try to adopt "ghetto" speak and behavior. It really is a thing that everyone except people like you notice

No.

Go to the places in Doha where the exceptionally wealthy ladies enjoy a cup of coffee. You will see elegance.

R61 No R55 is correct. Why should English spoken poorly be above criticism? It is ugly and indeed inelegant. Whether it's from our inner cities or the suburbs.

I concur that the word "ghetto" is not racist since there are white people who live in them too. There used to be Jewish "ghettos". "Ghetto" just refers to a type of behavior now and whites can act and talk that way too. I call it trashy and, yes, Boebert, Greene and the Trump's are trashy albeit in a different way.

R75, snobbism isn't elegant.

R70 got busted for being racist is now trying to pull the "No, YOU'RE a racist" card

R76, in 2021 the term "ghetto" is used to insult inner city blacks, not Jews or white people. Try again.

R77 got busted for being stupid and is now trying to make it look like R70 gives a shit.

R78 That is bullshit.

DLers in 1956 - Elvis is disgusting! Give me Frank Sinatra! Everything was better in MY day.

DLers in 1965 - The Beatles are so classless. Everything was better in MY day.

DLers in 1975 - I'm sick of all these ghetto blaxploitation movies. Everything was better in MY day.

R80, yeah right. You guys got busted using a racist term and are now spinning trying to claim it's not.

[quote]snobbism isn't elegant.

As if you don't have your personal standards? Your own judgement of others? Oh really? Gimme a break.

English spoken poorly is inelegant. Just as much as dressing like a slob.

R79, you guys certainly give a shit about me, which is why you're attacking me, and accusing ME of being racist even though you're the ones using hateful GOP stereotypes about black people and "ghetto" speech.

Personally, I think it's inelegant to insist that everything was better in the past because you hate and fear social progress. You also lack the self-awareness to understand that people have been complaining about "kids today" for the past 5000 years or so. Look up the "Golden Age Fallacy"

Nothing's less elegant than conservatism and snobbism.

I was in the supermarket the other day and came across a baked good called "Elegant Lady Fingers" so, yes, elegance it still a thing.

R84, I think it's true what you say about older generations' views of younger generations, but even if you accept some degree of relativism, there's still the possibility that today's culture is in fact more vulgar than the culture of50+ years ago. I think it's safe to say that the culture of the 1950s was NOT more vulgar than the culture of the Romans.

Every conversation - it can be about sponges - ends up about race these days. Boring.

R75 I agree and tend to avoid those, especially adults, who use ghetto speak. Major turnoff.

Whatever happened to class?

R84 Face it, the gene pool is becoming dumber with each generation.

R84 Some of us here can see back to the 1950s. Lived through the 60s. And where part of the many changes in society.

You would have to deaf, dumb and blind to think that there is not less concern today about how the masses present themselves compared to the past.

The huge change took place in the late 1960s. 50 years or so ago. And that's the way it is.

Pointing that out has nothing to do with snobbism or being conservative.

In answer to the original question a new thread has been started

Angelina Jolie has a minimalist style that is quite elegant. I think even in casual clothes she was never one to be photographed in sweats (don’t care how expensive they are) or typical LA starlet gears. I remember Tim Gunn mentioned this about Jolie years ago.

Al I know is that wearing opera pumps is a great way to get your face smashed on the sidewalk!

Elegance began it's plummet when traveling by air became affordable for everyone.

"Stewardess can I have another bag of peanuts? The one you gave me fell into my flip flop and I can't reach down to remove it because my gunt is in the way."

"Elegant" people are rare. Society has encouraged people to be relaxed and informal with each other.

Did someone call for elegant?

Welcome to ME!

Can men be elegant or is that term just reserved for woman?

Meghan is elegant and has gracious manners.

Well, OP! I am most definitely elegant, Little Miss!

In fact, when my new beau said he wanted to put it inside me in Fort Lauderdale for the first time- my first time EVER being penetrated, I insisted that he cover his member from stem to stern in the finest silk from the farthest reaches of Japan!

That silk is still imbedded deep inside of me and I lay here in septic shock in the hospital as I type!

In an elegant and private room!

I would describe Alexander Skarsgard's body as elegant.

Because of this post, I have decided to start wearing a cravat!

Typical elegant DLer.

Are leather shorts elegant?

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Jolie’s style is the closest to elegant in today’s Hollywood epitomized by Gwyneth. She’s the anti-Gwyneth style-wise. There’s definitely a distinct style/ look that she’s comfortable with, and it isn’t fake/ rich boho- LA trendy that even stars in their 40-50s are still following.

Cate Blanchett's style is elegant.

Caftans are always the height of elegance.

I think elegant is simplicity, not overdone, age appropriate, and almost has a timeless element in style. In terms of Hollywood today, the only person that strikes me as somewhat elegant would be like a Michelle Pfeiffer or someone like that.

I stand by Cate Blanchett.

r31

Please!!!! See r2

I think Tilda Swinton has a minimalist elegance about her.

That old bag that married Macron is elegant.

[quote]I have a theory! Since we've been declining in elegance over the decades and centuries, we are in the doldrums of mainstream clothing wear at this point in time, with casualness taken to an extreme and everyone wearing sleepwear, sweatpants, hoodies, gym shorts, etc.

[quote]In one hundred years (mark your calendars!), elegance will reemerge as the everyday look. This shit always moves in circles/cycles.

R67 - you are right, of course. Fashion is action and reaction. The current doldrums are due to the pandemic, Silicon Valley casual wear, and, most important, the wait for new materials. As we speak, 3D printing and other processes are creating new fabrics that change entirely how designers adorn the human body. Moreover, there is a strong trend, coming from societal changes, to create genuinely androgynous looks. Given the difference in body types, experimentation continues.

Not to worry, a reaction to that will emerge soon enough.

r93 Meghan tried to copy her.

Anna Nicole Smith

Courtney Love

Catilyn Jenner

Meghan is elegant and has gracious manners.

Oh dear. If Meghan was elegant and had gracious manners she would never have gone on Oprah and spilled the dirty laundry to all and sundry. Oh, you make me laugh.

Nancy Pelosi, Jane Fonda,

Women wearing leggings with huge asses, legs, etc are an abomination foisted upon us. They do not look good. All the chicks on QVC etc are fat with one normal sized "model" thrown in. We are pandering to fat people. Healthy thin people are the minority today.arb I, for one am sick of it and do not want to be subjected to size 20 asses in leggings or similar garb

[quote] Joan Collins. Say what you like about her, she always makes an effort.

Elegant? She looks like a whore.

[quote] I forgot about Nicolas. He comes across as very elegant

I'd like to see how he comes across in bed (especially when he's having his ass eaten out)

[quote] Assuming that you're distinguishing between "elegant" and "glamorous" I'd say that QEII is elegant.

With those sagging tits and hunched over walk?

Caitlyn Jenner tries but her horny way of sexing herself up drags her down to her rightful place in the gutter.

[quote] Bergdorf Goodmans

You're not elegant if you refer to it as "Bergdorf Goodmans".

Christ, that's as bad as people who insist on saying "Nordstrom's"!

Hubert De Givenchy really gave Audrey Hepburn an extremely elegant style. Plus she spoke 5 languages and had a good education. Elegance still exists in France, compared to the USA. It's two opposing worlds.

[quote] Even old people now are trashy, particularly a lot of the old Baby-Boomers. I remember when old people dressed up in nice clothes every day, even in retirement.

That went out when [italic]The Golden Girls[/italic] went off the air.

Jackie Kennedy was elegant

Princess Diana was elegant

[quote] In today's episode I wanted to escape the City and give you a tour of my former home on the East Coast of Scotland. I lived here from 2014-2017 with my long-term boyfriend.

It's nice to know that Nicolas isn't closeted.

Jackie and Diana are DEAD, long dead

The only real elegance is in the mind; if you've got that, the rest really comes from it. - Diana Vreeland.

Elegance is refusal – Coco Chanel

Kath and Kim are elegant

When everyone was thin, clothes were class markers. With the obesity epidemic, fitness is now how you prove your status. Yoga, Soul Cycle, expensive althlesiure wear.

In short, athleticism replaced elegance. And as with most things style related, the gays led that movement.

R121 true. However there is something more horrific than fat women in leggings. That is fat women in leggings made from thin fabric so that the leggings are transparent in sunlight. Then you’re forced to see corpulent flesh illuminated like a Broadway marquee. More like a horror show.

OP - even the 'elegant' people you're thinking of were only elegant in selected photo shoots, pap pics, and interviews.

It was all PR and very little uncontrolled imagery or media came out to the general public. These 'elegant' people also cursed, said foul shit, acted a fool or horribly, were mean to people - you name it.

People weren't 'better' at a different time - it was just edited a lot more.

Clothing was better made and more elegant in style until the 1980s. This applies to mass and expensive fashion. Even lower-middle class women could look well put together. Also, women cared more about keeping weight down, not skinny but at least weight not considered fat or obese. So that’s 2 battles won over today’s women.

Clothing sizes were also standardized until the 1980s when vanity sizing crept into the industry. So when fat women made a big deal about Marilyn Monroe being a size 12-14 as her later year dresses confirmed, they’re just being stupidly duped. A size 12-14 in 1960 is like a size 8-10 today. But hey, let the fatties have their fantasies.

I believe, in my actual form, I am relentlessly elegant in everything I desire to do. Whether it's my work in music, or how I present myself in good clothes or conversation-- my desire is to be timelessly elegant. I may not be the brightest light bulb of a young adult boy, but my real desire is to be a true gentleman. If life ever got to being elegant in general again, I would only hope there would be a huge comeback for supper clubs and eloquent cruises in the Atlantic. I'm tired of 'freestyle' cruising, I want the formalities! I want to be the male version of Rose! I want to wear a top and tails -- and drink lots of brandy.

I agree with r106, modern day Angelina Jolie is a current model of elegance in Hollywood. She has unique eye catching style that is still classy and luxurious, yet she doesn't look like somebody's grandma. Still sexy.

Angelina Jolie in that get-up a model of elegance? Is she on her way to a toga party?

[quote]anyone is elegant they would be seen as from the "olden days"

R8 You are correct. Fred Astaire was elegant.

[quote]even the 'elegant' people you're thinking of were only elegant in selected photo shoots, pap pics, and interviews.

Yes, of course people let their hair down. But pre-1965 (or so) society was much more reserved than today.

Who are the elegant men?

Nick Wooster.

Angelina Jolie is not elegant, she has trashy tattoos and wore a phial of blood around her neck.

Blythe Danner

No, R147, and it’s because she should have swallowed.

I'm having great success training my young next door neighbour to be elegant and showing him the finer things in life.

True elegance seems to be mistaken for vanity. Elegance is about kind manners, treating people with love, maintaining friendships and having things look well taken care of and nice.

There so much meanness in the world. Why is it popular to insult people and be rude? Like the person with the best insult wins? No one wins when you have to fight and hurt and can't be friends.

Mariko Bando

[quote]Sean Connery was an elegant man.

When he was or wasn't beating women?

OP dials with a pencil.

Prince and Princess Michael of Kent.

Is anyone wearing 3 foot high white powered wigs anymore? There's your answer.

[quote] True elegance seems to be mistaken for vanity. Elegance is about kind manners, treating people with love, maintaining friendships and having things look well taken care of and nice. There so much meanness in the world.

R150 you answered your own question, love.

Most people nowadays are vulgar, selfish, and bullying, meaning that the few decent sorts left are overwhelmed and traumatised trying to deal kindly with hordes of barbarians, and eventually must give up on their morals and ideals in order to look after themselves.

To survive in a brutal world is to become a brute.

I had one friend who wore Italian cut suits and a diamond stud in his ear. I gave him a beautiful leather jacket of red and white squares from Paris that gave him that little extra fire of color and sexiness. But that was years ago.

True elegance

That Malala girl seems elegant to me. Intelligent, soft spoken but profound. Kind. With substance.

Would love to see pictures of OP. I doubt he is elegant in any way, shape, or form

R156 thinks things were so much more polite in the old days. Some of you know nothing about history. There have been good and bad people in every generation. There was never any point in history where everyone was a saint

This point of view is bizarre to see on a gay board since no one has benefitted more from social progress than gay people

No one told r138 than men are fatter now, too. He just wants to bully women for their appearance

You'd think men who are attracted to men would care more about men's appearances than women's....

People who are not elegant must die!

Kate Middleton? **snickering**

There is one woman, a model, who seems very elegant to me. I think she's an older Italian model who has done some ads here. Short, white hair, slender and always chic looking. She has beautiful bone structure.

Angelina Jolie's behavior, including dragging out the divorce, rules out elegance for me. Behind closed doors she's likely anything but.

Queen Raina

Sofia Coppola

Isabelle Huppert

Julianne Moore

Jolie cannot ever be elegant with those ratty tattoos.

I joined the circus awhile back! ELEGANCE!

The elegant elder model is actually American. Carmen Dell'Orifice. L

Hey!

That's real gold hanging off my nipple clamps!

Dlisted has always been my measuring stick for that which is elegant.

True elegance carries even cowshit on the heel well.

Models I thought had great natural elegance - Nadja Auermann, Kristin Holby, Veruschka.