America's woke culture about to destroy France, according to Macron

The publication this month of a book critical of racial studies by two veteran social scientists, Stéphane Beaud and Gérard Noiriel, fueled criticism from younger scholars — and has received extensive news coverage. Mr. Noiriel has said that race had become a “bulldozer’’ crushing other subjects, adding, in an email, that its academic research in France was questionable because race is not recognized by the government and merely “subjective data.’’

The fierce French debate over a handful of academic disciplines on U.S. campuses may surprise those who have witnessed the gradual decline of American influence in many corners of the world. In some ways, it is a proxy fight over some of the most combustible issues in French society, including national identity and the sharing of power. In a nation where intellectuals still hold sway, the stakes are high.

With its echoes of the American culture wars, the battle began inside French universities but is being played out increasingly in the media. Politicians have been weighing in more and more, especially following a turbulent year during which a series of events called into question tenets of French society.

Mass protests in France against police violence, inspired by the killing of George Floyd, challenged the official dismissal of race and systemic racism. A #MeToo generation of feminists confronted both male power and older feminists. A widespread crackdown following a series of Islamist attacks raised questions about France’s model of secularism and the integration of immigrants from its former colonies.

Some saw the reach of American identity politics and social science theories. Some center-right lawmakers pressed for a parliamentary investigation into “ideological excesses’’ at universities and singled out “guilty’’ scholars on Twitter.

Mr. Macron — who had shown little interest in these matters in the past but has been courting the right ahead of elections next year — jumped in last June, when he blamed universities for encouraging the “ethnicization of the social question’’ — amounting to “breaking the republic in two.’’

“I was pleasantly astonished,’’ said Nathalie Heinich, a sociologist who last month helped create an organization against “decolonialism and identity politics.’’ Made up of established figures, many retired, the group has issued warnings about American-inspired social theories in major publications like Le Point and Le Figaro.

For Ms. Heinich, last year’s developments came on top of activism that brought foreign disputes over cultural appropriation and blackface to French universities. At the Sorbonne, activists prevented the staging of a play by Aeschylus to protest the wearing of masks and dark makeup by white actors; elsewhere, some well-known speakers were disinvited following student pressure.

“It was a series of incidents that was extremely traumatic to our community and that all fell under what is called cancel culture,’’ Ms. Heinich said.

To others, the lashing out at perceived American influence revealed something else: a French establishment incapable of confronting a world in flux, especially at a time when the government’s mishandling of the coronavirus pandemic has deepened the sense of ineluctable decline of a once-great power.

“It’s the sign of a small, frightened republic, declining, provincializing, but which in the past and to this day believes in its universal mission and which thus seeks those responsible for its decline,’’ said François Cusset, an expert on American civilization at Paris Nanterre University.

France has long laid claim to a national identity, based on a common culture, fundamental rights and core values like equality and liberty, rejecting diversity and multiculturalism. The French often see the United States as a fractious society at war with itself.

But far from being American, many of the leading thinkers behind theories on gender, race, post-colonialism and queer theory came from France — as well as the rest of Europe, South America, Africa and India, said Anne Garréta, a French writer who teaches literature at universities in France and at Duke.

“It’s an entire global world of ideas that circulates,’’ she said. “It just happens that campuses that are the most cosmopolitan and most globalized at this point in history are the American ones.’’

The French state does not compile racial statistics, which is illegal, describing it as part of its commitment to universalism and treating all citizens equally under the law. To many scholars on race, however, the reluctance is part of a long history of denying racism in France and the country’s slave-trading and colonial past.

“What’s more French than the racial question in a country that was built around those questions?’’ said Mame-Fatou Niang, who divides her time between France and the United States, where she teaches French studies at Carnegie Mellon University.

Ms. Niang has led a campaign to remove a fresco at France’s National Assembly, which shows two Black figures with fat red lips and bulging eyes. Her public views on race have made her a frequent target on social media, including of one of the lawmakers who pressed for an investigation into “ideological excesses’’ at universities.

Pap Ndiaye, a historian who led efforts to establish Black studies in France, said it was no coincidence that the current wave of anti-American rhetoric began growing just as the first protests against racism and police violence took place last June.

He's right.

“There was the idea that we’re talking too much about racial questions in France,’’ he said. “That’s enough.’’

Three Islamist attacks last fall served as a reminder that terrorism remains a threat in France. They also focused attention on another hot-button field of research: Islamophobia, which examines how hostility toward Islam in France, rooted in its colonial experience in the Muslim world, continues to shape the lives of French Muslims.

Abdellali Hajjat, an expert on Islamophobia, said that it became increasingly difficult to focus on his subject after 2015, when devastating terror attacks hit Paris. Government funding for research dried up. Researchers on the subject were accused of being apologists for Islamists and even terrorists.

Finding the atmosphere oppressive, Mr. Hajjat left two years ago to teach at the Free University of Brussels, in Belgium, where he said he found greater academic freedom.

“On the question of Islamophobia, it’s only in France where there is such violent talk in rejecting the term,’’ he said.

Mr. Macron’s education minister, Jean-Michel Blanquer, accused universities, under American influence, of being complicit with terrorists by providing the intellectual justification behind their acts.

A group of 100 prominent scholars wrote an open letter supporting the minister and decrying theories “transferred from North American campuses” in Le Monde.

A signatory, Gilles Kepel, an expert on Islam, said that American influence had led to “a sort of prohibition in universities to think about the phenomenon of political Islam in the name of a leftist ideology that considers it the religion of the underprivileged.’’

Along with Islamophobia, it was through the “totally artificial importation’’ in France of the “American-style Black question” that some were trying to draw a false picture of a France guilty of “systemic racism’’ and “white privilege,’’ said Pierre-André Taguieff, a historian and a leading critic of the American influence.

Mr. Taguieff said in an email that researchers of race, Islamophobia and post-colonialism were motivated by a “hatred of the West, as a white civilization.’’

“The common agenda of these enemies of European civilization can be summed up in three words: decolonize, demasculate, de-Europeanize,’’ Mr. Taguieff said. “Straight white male — that’s the culprit to condemn and the enemy to eliminate.”

Behind the attacks on American universities — led by aging white male intellectuals — lie the tensions in a society where power appears to be up for grabs, said Éric Fassin, a sociologist who was one of the first scholars to focus on race and racism in France, about 15 years ago.

Back then, scholars on race tended to be white men like himself, he said. He said he has often been called a traitor and faced threats, most recently from a right-wing extremist who was given a four-month suspended prison sentence for threatening to decapitate him.

But the emergence of young intellectuals — some Black or Muslim — has fueled the assault on what Mr. Fassin calls the “American boogeyman.’’

“That’s what has turned things upside down,’’ he said. “They’re not just the objects we speak of, but they’re also the subjects who are talking.’’

France, you in danger, girl!

The entire woke culture is kids with negligence parents screaming "notice me".

Haven't there been a number of rape and incest scandals recently in the French literary community? French cultural elites always seem very conservative and very creepy .

Ironic that a lot of this woke stuff can be traced to Foucault and others.

These radical themes are started by the right wing to make the left appear radical. They infiltrate leftest groups and and then steer them to the most divisive and radical positions possible to make the left look crazy.

This is an old tactic. It goes way back. Old enough for for Martin and others to know better than to feed into that. He can make a discrimination between far right groups that are amplifying these issues and that he is going to fight the misinformation from the far right. And not fall in these traps set by them.

That would be the presidential thing to do.

[quote]The entire woke culture is kids with negligence parents screaming "notice me".

The entire woke culture is kids looking for a cause.

The whole thing is fake. It doesn’t exist.

They are trying to smear decent people who just want civil rights. That’s why they make all these right wing threads targeting trans people and liberals.

It’s not “woke” to want decent wages, a clean environment and some basic human respect.

Don’t ever let anyone shame you for that by calling you woke.

Since all those black people and muslims are in France now, they should just get with the program and wear berets, play the accordion, and ride bicyles carrying baguettes.

oh god, the damn cancel culture denier again @ R14. Umm i think this is all bigger than you

You can’t say that democrats are going to far with the woke thing because it’s not coming from the left.

These radical themes are originated by right wing terror groups. They spread these fake issues using Facebook and twitter under the guise of democrats.

This is an extension of the efforts to divide liberal causes. This is same foreign movement that is ruining all decent discourse online.

Fight the propaganda.

I'm much more fearful of American domestic terrorists, led by their cult figure, a obese, lazy, ex-game show host/con artist/mafioso wannabe and his enablers in the Republican party than I ever will be of Muslim terrorists, be they in Europe, the Middle East or here in America.

Liberals need to take back the reasonable messaging from the right wing wackos that start these undercover smear jobs on liberals.

Marcon is a little too sympathetic with the right wing fascists.

France needs to get a backbone and stand up to the fascists.

Woke is a cancer.

I thought OP's title read "America's [italic]work[/italic] culture about to destroy France," and thought this was an Emily in Paris thread.

[quote] Mass protests in France against police violence, inspired by the killing of George Floyd, challenged the official dismissal of race

Oh gee. Trying to erase you? Welcome to the club.

Hey France, you colonized and raped whole countries for economic gain like the US and Britain did, which is why you are stuck with these problems now, so sorry you have to deal with this. Although I have to say woke culture is tedious pseudo intellectualism, their propaganda may work on naive kids out of high school, but it alienates most people, even black people who think these people are trying too hard.

[quote]These radical themes are originated by right wing terror groups. They spread these fake issues using Facebook and twitter under the guise of democrats.

The wokesters have no affiliation with right wing terror groups. How do you explain Roxane Gay, for instance?

[quote]Hey France, you colonized and raped whole countries for economic gain like the US and Britain did, which is why you are stuck with these problems now, so sorry you have to deal with this.

Would you say the same thing to the Turks?

I was thinking about this. I fear for East Asia as well —that all this American race stuff (race neuroses, purges, critical race theory, etc.) infect that region as well. I fear their being tricked into opening for mass immigration in the name of equity, solidarity, etc. Guilt re being rich, cf. Western guilt about colonialism.

Anyone who is not French should be thankful France took them in. Beggars can’t be choosers.

Now don't you wish you had been nicer to the Jews?

As race- and religion-blind as France pretends to be, it's utterly impossible to imagine it having a black president, or Paris having a Muslim mayor.

Someone burnt down Notre Dame but this is what he worries about.

They doomed themselves by opening up to mass immigration. This is just the next step.

[quote] They doomed themselves by opening up to mass immigration. This is just the next step.

Based AF, r31.

[quote]Ironic that a lot of this woke stuff can be traced to Foucault and others.

Can it though R10?

Stop making up shit R30.

The fire in the Notre Dam was started by a spark from an electrical short.

FRANCELLED!

If you're going to open the doors to your country for immigrants you want smart, entrepreneurial Asians and hard-working Latinos. Blacks and Arabs are a drain on society and always cause a lot of bullshit and problems. Always.

The current black movement is a power grab to have overrepresentation and eliminate any culture that celebrates the accomplishment of western civilization. It will never end because only 100% control will be enough and that will never happen.

Je la déteste!

R8, freepers like you are the ones who wanted to get noticed by storming the Capitol. That's why you all livestreamed yourself!

This is dumb because France and most countries in Western Europe are more liberal than the US. Stricter gun laws, higher taxes on the rich, socialized Healthcare.

R13, you were doing a parody with that reply, right?

[quote] “There was the idea that we’re talking too much about racial questions in France,’’ he said. “That’s enough.’’

What does he mean by “That’s enough”?

[quote] Liberals need to take back the reasonable messaging from the right wing wackos that start these undercover smear jobs on liberals.

Okay, this is kooky. Leftists/woke people don’t need help from right-wing infiltrators to make them look unhinged and overreach-y.

Woke culture/BLM/etc. is indeed out of hand. The laser focus on race is not going to solve the problems that the woke think it will. If anything it’ll further expose the shortcomings of social programs, diversity mandates, etc. etc. It will also further divisions between the center/left and right.

Also it has nothing to do with things like minimum wage and student debt and health care—that’s Bernie politics. Bernie isn’t woke.

I was reading this in NY times earlier and got a good chuckle.

France, you are reaping what you sowed in your colonies years ago.

You have your own demons. Start there.

It’s such a losers’ ideology: like communism, another losers’ power-grabbing tool, it’s just a way for losers to drag everything down and turn everything to shit.

Woke and cancel culture is based on Marxist ideas. Both movements seek to tear down the foundations of the societies that they infiltrate.

But an irrational and angry mob IS French heritage.

r41, actually woke people LOVE Bernie

r43, I'd say Republicans like you are the losers. You lost the election, lost on issues like gay marriage and gays in the military, claimed Covid was a hoax. You are wrong about everything.

R46, you’re an infant if you think I’m Republican. Please block me.

The pocket gay is right. National identity trumps everything else and La France is a magnificent example of a western democracy.

r47, you're an infant if you're sitting around calling liberals "losers" when the right is storming the capitol because they lost the election. Grow up and stop blaming liberals for everything you don't like.

Phew it looks like I'm off the hook!

R46, the woke loving Bernie doesn’t invalidate what I said. These are two separate ideologies with some overlap. That’s all.

Bernie Sanders’ style of leftism is distinct from wokeism. He believes economic inequality is what is holding everyone back. Woke people think that systemic racism is what’s holding black people back. Wokeism is identity politics. Hardcore Berners have always eschewed identity politics.

France, home of Le Pen

They're just jealous we had an insurrection and they didn't

Because macron fucked up the vaccines, he tried to say they didn't work. Since the day he got into office, he's been trying to break up the unions and make 40 hours a week the standard work week. I think they work 35 or 37.5 hours a week

He wants to turn france into America, with low pay, long work weeks, little to no benefits, private healthcare that only the rich or lucky can afford

r51, that is bullshit. If "identity politics" means standing up for minorities then Bernie supporters are in favor of that. It's funny how people on the right complain about identity politics but pander to white supremacists

As if African civilizations wouldn't have overrun and exploited europeans and enslaved them if they'd had the technology back then.

He's not wrong - it's actually anti-intellectual in many respects as it silences opinions not wholly aligned with its ideology, rather than fostering discussion, by suggesting that discussion is actually as bad as whatever it is to which they object.

Secession is going to be trend of the next few decades.

Sclerotic bureaucracies worldwide are already bankrupt, so withdrawing consent and telling the national government to fuck off and die in a grease fire will become the new normal.

It's intellectually lazy to blame another country for your country's problems, particularly one that doesn't neighbor yours.

I don’t think woke culture is necessarily a bad thing but I do hope and pray that the extremism of it is toned down.

R11

[quote] These radical themes are started by the right wing to make the left appear radical.

Did you have a brain tumor for breakfast? Is it hard being that stupid? Government education has left you ill-equipped to participate in modern society.

R16

You made the developmentally disabled troglodyte at R11 sound intelligent.

Are you people really that ignorant of history and economics?

Irony. It was born of French theory, installed into American academia in the 80s. By the 90s, the Americans didn't know how to properly play with the theory. Play was SO important. The French moved forward and away. The somewhat brilliant American professors of the 80s and 90s trained not brilliant, and less playful future academics, who are now in place. They putrified and multiplied, from the late 90s on. It's a disaster now. (Brown & Sorbonne Semiotics trained, now horrified! It was supposed to be a parlor game!)

[quote]As if African civilizations wouldn't have overrun and exploited europeans and enslaved them if they'd had the technology back then.

Look up the Barbary Wars. This was why the US Marines were created. It's a pretty much lost chapter of history.

The French are amazed that Foucault, Lacan and postmodernism/poststructuralism are still taught and held in high esteem in American academia. They left that shit behind some time ago.

[quote] shit

American academia revel in it, R63 It is the hallmark of Brown University.

R11 Who is "Martin"?

Is that a mistyping?

Critical Race Theory is just a lot of assumptions with no empirical proof. It’s a branch of philosophy, and, in modern science, philosophy is no longer a serious player when it comes to explaining human behaviour.

I'd prefer to see Macron's original speech. This second-hand NYT account seems rather hysterical.

I doubt a real politician would be sufficient hysterical to proclaim this American malaise as an 'existential threat' is 'gnawing at national unity'.

France, the place that protects Polanski and surrendered to the Nazis. Fuck them.

[quote] As if African civilizations wouldn't have overrun and exploited europeans and enslaved them if they'd had the technology back then.

Oh, here comes our resident cracker chiming in.

No, R4, he's not.

The philosophical underpinnings of the worst of these excesses can be traced back directly to Derrida and his execrable post-structuralism horseshit. I recall warning colleagues 34 years ago that Derrida, Foucault, post-structuralism, postmodernism, and their rat bastard child Obscurantism would destroy academia and inevitably leak out and infect the rest of society.

A lot of whataboutisms in this thread. Just because France isn’t a perfect society doesn’t mean it can’t have something reasonable to say on this subject.

R56 that is such beautiful music to my ears. You aren’t a hung top by any chance, are you?

R69 has never heard of the Battle of Tours.

[quote] Would you say the same thing to the Turks?

Or the Israelis?

[quote] France, the place that [...] surrendered to the Nazis.

Christ, not this again. Virtually every country in Europe fell to the nazi juggernaut, except countries protected by the sea (the UK), and countries three times as large as Germany (Russia).

Lol the comments here speak volume! As soon as there is one or two famous French guys involved in incest or rape cases it's enough for an American to generalize it to the entire French literary circle. For your information guys the whole French intelligentsia is left-wing. Just because other countries reject your obsession with race, your crappy woke culture, doesn't mean that it allows you to say whatever you want. We can tell that American imperialism seems perfectly normal to some of you.

Unlike America, France was not built on slavery. White people are also the natives of their own country. The problem with Americans is that they think that THEIR history is the entire world History.

The mere fact that the American embassy in France (which is located right next to the Elysée palace), allows itself to recruit young people from the diversity to send them to American campuses from which they come back full of hatred towards France is a real offence to the French. If France had done this to the Americans, there would be at best a serious diplomatic incident, at worst real anti-French riots and that would have been understandable. We have seen the typical example of an American university that rots everyone's existence it is Evergreen. You'll find lots of documentaries about what's going on in your colleges. Added to this the more than offensive and aggressive way of American newspapers such as the New York Times, the Washington Post who allowed themselves to interfere in the internal affairs of France by making vile articles when France recently suffered terrorist attacks on its soil, accusing Macron of being Islamophobic, following false testimonies from people that calls themselve "Woke" , without even verifying their source or the veracity of the statements made, nor of the fact that France is the Western country that is most attacked on its soil, they had to delete their articles when they understood that they had written pure crap about the laws against separatism under discussion at the moment. The French remembered how they had supported America during the terrorist attacks of September 11, and take very badly their way of putting them even more in danger when it is their turn to be attacked. Especially when you consider that ISIS was created because of the American wars in The Gulf, Afghanistan, Syria. War in Iraq to which France had vetoed. Today the whole planet knows that France was right. It was an illegal war and for this the Americans have lame surely poured into the French bashing for 3 years. And never ever apologized to the French people who are their first and oldest allies.

France believes in universalism and does not recognize communities. Everyone is French and not African-french or Latino-french for example, this is how even their constitution is written. Who are you to question it? You'all impose your culture on the whole planet and you imagine that that planet only has to accept them with just like that? Unbelievable.

The French are being encircled by the right wing fascists and yet they go after liberals. Give me a break.

Another thing struck me is to read in some "Woke" American newspapers or in the comments above above that France still does not face its colonial history, by Americans. I think it's the biggest rant in history.

Since when does America face its colonial history? Your fat asses are still sitting in the country you stole from the Native Americans. When did you ever start a decolonization process? When? and when was the last time a Native American was the president of HIS country ? When ??? Who do people here think they are?

00:00​ Monthly Q&A with Glenn and John

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18:05​ Critiquing the Biden administration's first moves

29:30​ The excesses and dangers of critical race theory

38:15​ The latest stories of woke hysteria on campus

46:45​ The performative outrage of anti-racist crusaders

1:01:49​ Campus wokeism vs. corporate wokeism

r76 is right

Some of you should look at what is happening in your universities and the danger they represent instead of judging France and the French who are not accountable to you. When Lafayette went to help you he didn't ask you for anything in return. Not even our king who financed your revolution war from the British. The King of France went so far that france was bankrupt. You wouldn't do this for any country in the world so keep your lessons for your despicable woke bullshit culture.

Here is what happened at Evergreen collegein USA. I think you are at least able to understand the English speakers.

[quote] When Lafayette went to help you he didn't ask you for anything in return. Not even our king who financed your revolution war from the British.

The French had ulterior motives, they hoped the Revolution would weaken their arch enemies the British. Helping the Americans wasn't a completely altruistic endeavor.

tocqueville, anyone?

Wokeism is George Orwell 1984 book! People should read it.

I really can't imagine being so up in arms over whatever it is that college kids think/get up to. People with radical, fringe ideas about race/gender/etc. aren't new either. They existed when I was in college and they existed long before that as well. The idea that they are some new phenomenon is false.

ah, the frogs always want to Ms Piggy America..

You're sick R74! 🤮

Woke and its cancel culture come from communism and Marxism. It's fascism.

Fuck France, just another imperial European country that fucked up the world.

That's true R88, the late 60s and 70s were full of leftist radicals. Which makes me think this isn't Russia's first rodeo to mass influence American youth.

There is always the danger that well meaning and legitimate protest movements can be hijacked by influencers with ulterior motives.

R92 LOL Americans talking about imperialism is like watching a paranormal activity. But nothing surprising here

perhaps they should have reviewed their immigration policies which led to countless deaths because they were so swept up in not being america... though wokeness is an attribute of several nations, mostly western and their post-western civilization fapping, more the fault of its inability to root out history denying radical socialists, stalinists, maoists, tankies, etc from its ranks

In France we don't see race - this is such bullshit. I have lived there long enough to see the exact opposite. It is a racist society while shouting everyone down to even dares to mention otherwise. Deeply sexist, too.

R95 What an ignorant statement. Hahaha FYI the whole world is fed up of your woke bs. You should inform yourself better. Germans, Italians, Spanish, Polish, Scandinavians, they all think America Wokeism is totally sick. Trolling is one thing but please, educate yourself. The Woke nowaday comes from USA and they are spreading their marxism all over the social medias. Oh and leave Mylene alone.

R97 Oh really ? Ok, where are you living in France. I love it when Liars from the DL are writing bs. But, most of them are pure trolls.

R97 So? Where did you live in France and what are the racist laws in their country?

Yeah, Macron needs to wake up and open up his restaurants and museums with 30% capacity and mandated masks and visors. Otherwise, the country is going to go to hell. A couple of French students here in Romania were telling my roommate that the situation in the HoReCa industry, which is an enormous part of the economy, is a horrid tragedy and millions are suffering back home.

R97 Well, I guess you can speak french then?

R101 Horeca industry? Lol you are confusing with BELGIUM you dumb!

R17 Who's the ex game show host?

R78 Isn't your bitch ass from Spain? As if you are one to talk about Native Americans.

An underage Macron fucking the heavily bewigged much older Brigitte must have been a spectacle in their time, oh so long ago.

R105 Yeah sure, you can tell if someone is Spanish just from a comment, right? How stupid

R107 I remember your obnoxious tone from other threads

R108 Ok troll

No R103, it is widely used all over the EU. I know the term is Dutch, but everyone here uses it. In any case, France was a mecca for tourists and everyone is suffering.

R110 There is no such thing as horeca in France. The entire world is suffering right now, not just France. Your link doesn't work

It's sort of crazy that these are thought of as American ideas - not because they didn't germinate in America, but because they're not really representative of the mass of the American population. The right, of course, doesn't ascribe to them. But, the vast majority of run-of-the-mill Liberals/Dems really don't either - at least not in any passionate, deep way.

What's crazy is to minimize the impact that American has on the world. Especially when it's the American themselves who recruits young people from immigrant backgrounds to send them to hate-filled American campuses.

Québécois are also rejecting the American Woke cancer

British too

R113 You're an idiot and a troll. You think you know all about American campuses because of articles you read online.

France - Get your own thing and stop copying America. It's not our fault your country is adopting our stupidity. Be anti-woke and ban birkas! You have too many Muslims and everyone hates the French, especially our cousins, the British.

R111 - sorry that is a study I was reading for an article we are working on at my company about what hotels will do in NYC for the next 2 years and what 2020 showed in terms of losses. Of course there is a HoReCa industry and yes, the whole world is suffering and many of my exes with whom I still keep in touch from LA and who I am terrified of losing to depression or simply, being older, just the effects of so much joblessness and stress. Here is a better link. Also the industry has a very interesting magazine.

R116 No, unlike Americans i never pretended to know America from the articles online. Our newspapers aren't attacking your country, unlike yours. And the French embassy in the US would never recruit young americans poc to send them in France and then teach them how to hate America. You are the idiot one here. Shameless dumbass.

R119 And yet you claim to be such an expert on hate filled American colleges based on what exactly? And why are you pretending to be French? Dumb twat.

R118 I'm sorry to read that. I know how much everyone is suffering from this pandemic and the catastrophic effects it has around the world. Courage, don't lose hope. Because that's all we have left, hope.

R120 Lol your stupidity is so pathetic that it's painful to read. Here educate yourself. It not news at all. Everyone knows what america did in france. I even send you the oldest link i have found about it.

Et oui, je suis française et je t'emmerde connard.

r84 Damn, I was expecting the nude model to be revealed as a MTF! Everything else was so on point. Then I found out this ep. was made in 1993. Chilling portrayal of the future.

"Certain social science theories entirely imported from the Germans and their National Socialist German Workers' Party" said President Emmanuel Macron.

R120 We also have a lot of testimonials from the young people poc recruited by the American Embassy who sent them to American campuses. Just because you don't know anything about this case means it doesn't exist you little hateful and ignorant buffon.

R125 I am glad this upsets you so much! Wannabe Frenchman

Jesus Fucking Cristo Bendito. The last thing America is, is woke. This kind of smacks of early Nazi blaming of another culture for the loss of their own. But I'm gobsmacked why "American" culture gets blamed for French losses when they cannot come to grips with a growing Muslim underclass that's not totally or even remotely welcomed within their borders.

R126 And I'm not surprised that your arguments are hollow and worthy of a perfect American completely ignorant troll of what is happening elsewhere than in his small state. Or should I say a British who is happy to see what the Americans are doing to France. there is no Wannabe here, je te le redis petit minable, je suis française et je te chie royalement dessus ainsi que sur toute ta famille, imbécile.

R128 Funny because in other threads you claim you're a Spanish!

[quote] R47 Morocco, Tunisia: Protectorats if I remember well. And when Maghebian were the first to enslave black people and to colonize my country Spain, they should just go to hell! Hear me? Y'all tried to colonize France like you did in Spain but the French slaughtered and decimated you every time you tried and the true is that you just cannot handle that. North Africans are well known to be homophobic countries like every single muslim countries. I even wonder what you are doing here on the DL. I knew when I read your bs that you were one of them.

R129 You idiot, I'm a Basque, it's the Spanish root in France. I have both Spanish and French in my family but i have the french citizenship. Got it now, you Sherlock wannabe?

R130 Then you are not a real Frenchman. Liar liar

R131 Oh because Basques aren't real French now? Since when???? I don't even know why i'm talking to such an ignorant. Biarritz, where i live, educated people knows it's totally French. Only a stupid racist troll could argue.

R131 Idiot

R132 You are a person without a real country like a Kurd and you can't even decide if you're from Spain or France so you kiss ass to both, how sad

It is utterly despicable that white people have the nerve to bristle at the terms "white privilege" and "systemic racism" when they built entire countries openly on those two principles! American society and European societies were founded on these beliefs. America was LEGALLY practicing both into the 1970s and still practices both with law enforcement disproportionately targeting people of color, unequal arrest and sentencing in the judicial system. White people are not arrested or jailed in the numbers in which they use illegal drugs. If they were, our prison system would look very different.

It's not a coincidence that Law enforcement, the legal and judicial system and the prison system are all white controlled and yet it is black and brown people who have suffered the most under these systems. Do you really think white people are going to treat themselves the same as they treat black people? Do you really think they're going to shovel their own children into prison and destroy their futures the way they do black and brown people's children? Of course not!

It never fails that the white people who refuse to admit that "white privilege" and "systemic racism" exist are the ones who not only know damn well that it exists but wouldn't have it any other way. Racist swine.

As for France, what they did to Haiti alone should never be forgotten. They extorted that poor little country for everything it had at the threat of slavery and death. Haiti was still paying off France into the 1940s to keep their freedom. If you've ever wondered why Haiti is poor, look into the deal they had to make with France. It's reprehensible.

I have a Basque ex :) Through another French ex, I have been subjected to the crazy French drama (news, social media) all year. It's fascinating that even the mainstream left, those connected to the culture and/or LGBT in particular, is parroting extreme woke talking points.

R134 Poor thing totally uneducated. So that' would mean americans living near Canadian borders aren't real Americans or that Americans living near Mexican borders aren't real americans. You're desperate and so sad.

We're being asked to believe total, unrequited fantasists:

[Quote][R120] We also have a lot of testimonials from the young people poc recruited by the American Embassy who sent them to American campuses. Just because you don't know anything about this case means it doesn't exist

It's not only about race, it's also about the miogynistic and anti-gay trans agenda that is stripping women and gays of their hard fought rights.

R135 Lol Europe wasn't build on racism. It's starting to get creepy to read such ignorance. France has 2000 years of history and whites are natives. The 400 years of slavery existed and were despicable, but France was already solidly built centuries and centuries before slavery. The same goes for other European countries, which have not all practiced slavery. Okay, I'm leaving this thread, too much ignorance distilled. Nauseating.

I’ve always been as liberal as the next guy, but I’m utterly fed up with this “woke” bullshit, the copious virtue signalling and the abomination that is Twitter. It is a strange little cultural insurgency and I don’t like where it’s headed. Why are they so desperate to push the trans agenda when they make an infinitesimally small proportion of the population (I don’t know a single trans person in real life, and I know a lot of people),especially when it’s being used to marginalise women’s rights and gay rights? I know saying that is LITERAL VIOLENCE, but this “people with penises can be women too” shit is only going to end in tears, you can be sure of that.

[Quote][R134] Poor thing totally uneducated. So that' would mean americans living near Canadian borders aren't real Americans or that Americans living near Mexican borders aren't real americans. You're desperate and so sad.

Except Los Vasco y Los Catalanos live near all sorts of "borders" yet consider Spanish governance repellant. They do not, by any means, consider themselves Spanish despite considerable genetic overlap.

You might want reconsider your premises and reconstruct your argument.

R130, I'm a bit of a language geek and Euskara is so fascinating in how it's a language isolate in that part of the world. Do you speak it? (Sorry if that's an ignorant question, I'm just curious how commonly it is used).

I hope America destroy France culture France people so mean to me.

[Quote]I'm a Basque, it's the Spanish root in France

The "Spanish root?" 😂🤣. ETA has a bone to pick with you. Que jodienda creer eso. I suspect you are only Basque adjacent and removed by an ocean or two.

R56: "Secession is going to be trend of the next few decades. Sclerotic bureaucracies worldwide are already bankrupt, so withdrawing consent and telling the national government to fuck off and die in a grease fire will become the new normal."

True. The ease with which a few thousand people stormed and overtook the Capitol without shooting or stabbing was shocking. We were utterly defenseless to a mob armed with selfie sticks and horned costumes. What's to stop those people from just opting out of federal government? Sanctuary red states and cities are on the way, I imagine.

Monsieur Macron needs to get in touch with Jacques Derrida and Michel Foucault (and a couple of others) about who is responsible for all those so-called "woke" ideas. The problem is ENTIRELY a FRENCH cultural product.

^^ try reading the thread before commenting, Rose.

I would have, except it's not really very interesting to think about. Just like post-structuralism.

Every time we have a thread about France here, the unhinged Frenchie shows up, calling us stupid and ranting against American imperialism.

I imagine him to be like the French guard from Monty Python and the Holy Grail. He farts in our general direction, for sure.

I know it's been over 40 years, but there is *nothing* about farting in the Holy Grail bit your referencing.

Every few years the French have to get performatively upset at the threat of other cultures tainting their own. It's part of their own brand of nationalism-patriotism, the equivalent to U.S. politicians giving out tiny American flags at 4th of July parades.

R151, tell us, are you stupid or are you lying in hopes of starting a fight?

As soon as I read this headline, I thought, All this woke identity political purity shit came out of France. During the French Revolution, they even changed the calendar to remove any references to Rome.

[quote] Except Los Vasco y Los Catalanos live near all sorts of "borders" yet consider Spanish governance repellant. They do not, by any means, consider themselves Spanish despite considerable genetic overlap.

Spanish is a political identity. Basques and Catalans resident in Spain are indeed Spanish whether they like it or not.

Britain is at least as guilty if not at the forefront of the ludicrous attempts by sociopolitical factions to call into question everything from knowledge itself to the denial of biology.

Its universities are infected with the desire to tear everything down to appease the rage of those amongst them afflicted by a deep-seated sense of cultural inferiority, who have decided that they cannot possibly claim equal standing amidst the huge success of the Caucasoid West and everything it produced, which frames nearly every aspect of life there, unless they simply discredit it all - because they can't compete and can't catch up.

It really has gotten absurd. A British hospital is the first to ditch the term "breast-feeding" and instead use the term "chest-feeding".

Right there, you see the complete decline of critical thinking and reasoning, and yet again, women (real women) being pushed aside to make room for . . .what men want, including men who insist upon parading themselves as women.

To quote Maurice Chevalier, "Oh, I'm so glaaaad, that Ahmmmm, not younnggg, any - more . . ."

I feel sorry for young having to function in the delusional mess of Western society today, especially in America, Britain, and France.

[quote]These radical themes are started by the right wing to make the left appear radical. They infiltrate leftest groups and and then steer them to the most divisive and radical positions possible to make the left look crazy.

Bingo r11

R37, that is not true. It is about the right to sit at the table to have equal access. The chickens are now coming home to roost for countries that colonized the world in order to steal land and resources all while subjugating the natives. This foul practice led to generations of people with European ancestry to benefit from systems that favored them. Until this is truly acknowledged racial disharmony will continue to flare up.

From the NYT article in the OP post-

[quote] Mr. Macron — who had shown little interest in these matters in the past but has been courting the right ahead of elections next year — jumped in last June, when he blamed universities for encouraging the “ethnicization of the social question’’ — amounting to “breaking the republic in two.’’

The French can be real cunts, but it's their country and their culture. They shouldn't have to embrace diversity.

We LOVE diversity

I don't blame Macron, the wokies would never address issues like women and LGBT rights abuse, FGM, Jews being targeted, conservative worldviews, oppressive anti democratic culture in certain migrant communities. France had 30 Islamic terrorist attacks in the last 20 years.

People had enough, France is the country of enlightenment. They don't have to appease people who believe in values that belong in the dark ages.

Il n'a pas tort.

Well I [italic]hope [/italic] it does.

Those frogs are unwashed, cheap ass pains.

Macron is 1% filth.

Americans can't accept that other countries aren't carbon copies of itself.

To them, the whole world is America, and vice versa.

I guess this is what happens when pursuing Trump's ass 24/7 didn't work out for Macron.

He should stick to elderly women with the worst fake wigs.

France could use some destroying...or, at least knocked off their high horse.

"We don't see race!" is something only said by the white men running shit. Ask all the Algerians they killed or shunted into slums.

And, I believe France invented misogynistic bullshit.

France protects pedophiles and treats women like shit. Fuck them.

France is being destroyed by decades of woefully misguided migrant policies and turning a blind eye to the resultant terrorism and social disintegration.

France is still quite bitter that they lost their title as the cultural capitol of the world decades ago. They were the tops in everything for 200 years but what do they excel in now? Not art, or music, or film, or even fashion or food.

They're pretty marginal.

Oh, and blaming France's woes on their supposed lenient immigration policy is ridiculous. Many of the immigrants, or, if we're being truthful, non-white people in France are former residents of lands colonized by the French and then plundered for decades. It's the price France or any colonizing country has to pay.

No country should have to pay a price for what their ancestors did. Should Japan be plundered? How about Turkey?

[quote] It's the price France or any colonizing country has to pay.

So by your logic, Hungarians and Romanians moving to Turkey and causing social upheaval would be ok then. Algerians and Moroccans colonized France and Spain for hundreds of years, btw.

Somebody posted a YouTube link to a thing about Evergreen college, a topic I'd avoided up to now but because it was in French I watched it. I don't know if it's more funny or scary to watch the complicit white people doing whatever the mob tells them to, or the panel of profs/staff confessing to their various privileges. It's like a parody of Maoism, but it's real.

Anyway, team Macron for his not falling into lockstep (even though I probably don't agree with a lot of what he thinks.)

Barbarians at the gate! France needs to protect its culture and society. They need a new Charles Martel.

R173 Your history is wonky.

"Morocco" and "Algeria" are both relatively recent-ish constructs as governments and societies...they've never conquered any where in Europe.

The Islamic Umayyad caliphate conquered the Iberian peninsula in the 8th century and ruled over it for nearly 700 years where the land prospered under what eventually became the Moors, the mixed Spanish/Arabic people who were eventually driven out by Ferdinand and Isabella. The Moors tried to extend their influence into France but were pushed back before they could establish any kind of control over the Franks.

Moorish Spain was a civilized and cultured society where Christians and Jews could live peacefully and prosper. When the Christians of Castile and Aragon took it all back, they immediately drove out/killed the Muslims and the Jews and any Christians who disagreed with them.

So R174 admits her complicit stupidity.

We never asked them to copy us, so this is their problem, not ours.

Tell us more about the banlieues, cerdo Puto Macron.

[quote]"Morocco" and "Algeria" are both relatively recent-ish constructs as governments and societies...they've never conquered any where in Europe.

The Moors were from those countries, that's what I meant. And no, Spain was not peaceful when they were in charge. The Spanish couldn't wait to get rid of them.

Stupid ass r78, the Europeans stole the natives land not America, there was no America, go back to school you idiot.

R180 Ha, ha!

Yes, the good Christian white people couldn't WAIT to run out the arty/science loving Moors so they could kick off the Inquisition!

Which is what the clever white Christian Spanish subsequently did....oh, and send Columbus off to "discover" America which made Spain ridiculously wealthy but they blew all of it on fighting ludicrous wars of faith all over Europe in the name of the Habsburgs who eventually took over and ended up where they are today, as a vacation spot for fat British and German house fraus and their broods.

But, they gave us tapas and Almodovar so thank god for that!

Whoops! We digressed off of the discussion of the complicities of evil France and their fate of being punished for their centuries of oppression over the brown and black people they colonized!

r182 your ignorance of history is astounding.

[quote]Whoops! We digressed off of the discussion of the complicities of evil France and their fate of being punished for their centuries of oppression over the brown and black people they colonized!

So should Greeks, Romanians and Hungarians migrate en masse to Turkey and make the Turks pay for the sins of the Ottoman Empire?

Should the Chinese migrate en masse to Japan and do the same?

Making one culture "pay" for their sins is a slippery slope. Where does it end? What is the end game, if any?

R181 You're another dingbat.

OK, I'll give you that the original English, French, Spanish, Dutch, Portuguese, and even some Swedes and Danes snagged land from the native peoples of the Americas but that was prior to the new countries of the Americas (uh, the U.S. and Canada) continuing to gobble up native lands as they moved west.

And, the U.S. got Colonizing Fever late in the 19th Century by snatching up Hawaii and then a delicious handful of former Spanish possessions we won in the Spanish American War.

Go talk to a Puerto Rican or Filipino about U.S. colonization! They'll talk your ear off!

R183 Bitch, please...

Certain historically losing parties are using guilt and endless strife to get their way—wealth transfers, special privileges, revision of history, transformation of cultures.

And the winners are falling for it. Or rather, their children are.

The West has no spine anymore.

The Americas were going to be colonized by someone, eventually. There was no way that the Native Americans were going to remain in isolation forever, somebody was going to come in and take over. Also, they were savages. Guess what? The whole world was made up of savages back then. Invasion and colonization is basically the story of human civilization. It is only very recently (in the whole history of humanity) that this has not been the case. When you think about how little time it's been since humans weren't waging constant war on one another, it's rather shocking.

The Chinese are pretty clear-eyed about what the West is doing to itself. The baizuo are in charge and tearing everything down on behalf of certain favored groups

European colonialism and slavery were such huge fucking mistakes—so self-sabotaging in the long run. Europe is largely comprised of quasi-New World-style open-borders settler colonies as a result of its own self-destructive guilt.

Oh god, if you want to talk about hating blacks and Muslims look no further than the Chinese.

Re R26, by the way, I don’t think it’s likely they’ll be fooled into becoming “nations or immigrants” as in Europe. Their IQs protect them, and they see the chaos in America and Europe and want none of it.

R191, and they don’t care about Western media and academica say about it. It’s refreshing in a way: they have a will to power, largely resulting from their humiliation in the 20th century, that others formerly great nations have long since lost. That’s why they’re retaking pole position.

The hysteria in the West about China is a clear indicator that we’re near the tipping point. More mass immigration into the West from certain regions will accelerate the trend.

You don't import hordes of backass Medieval people into your country and expect things to be all nice and peachy. They hate the West and want no part of it.

R121 - what I would like to see is a study of how this pandemic has specifically impacted the gay community, particularly gay men. I know exes and friends who worked in the service industry and so many are struggling. Like you I keep up hope, but I do hope someone once discusses the effect it has had on many of us.

It seems like nobody cares about gay men anymore.

It’s out of fashion, R196. Everyone is now all about fighting transphobia, Islamophobia, and antiblackness. Get with the program.

America and some British trolls and other anti-France from eastern countries who rewrite history in this thread are so pathetic. It's like reading people who have just escaped from a psychopathic asylum. What has France done wrong to America? They would be unable to answer because they can't find anything against them. They are miserably trying to make a looser excuse by dodging the problem. As usual. And besides, some have the nerve to silent the french in a topic that directly concern them.

Looking yourself in a mirror doesn't exist in the Yankees world. They never do anything wrong, it's never their fault. So to keep their heads up, and their BIG ego even bigger as always, they change the topic and even attack the regional ethnicity of the French, which no one here has found anything to say about and they have the nerves to call the French nationalist when there are 75 millions people who voted for Trump. 75 millions. France has about 69 million people.

Reading this thread is realizing how America is ignorant, aggressive, stupid and so mediocre. With allies like that no need for enemies.

Macron says out loud what the majority of European countries think about their Woke culture and the consequences. Some other leaders talk about it, but America will never be able to do things with humility. Everyone has to bend to their culture, their laws, their mediocrity. Don't you dare to rebel, because you will be the ones to be demonized. Exactly like when the French refused to follow them in their Iraq war for oil. They were all raised with the idea that they are the best at everything and they have the nerves to call the French arrogant. And the answers to my post will be the same as those that can be read above. Another childish anti-France trolls and ignorant doing in the off topic, insulting etc. Yet on the DL there are many posters and even more and more threads in which we can read the annoyance, the anxiety and total rejection for that Woke culture. And guess what? It's the Americans who complain the most about it.

Hypocrisy? Hell yes!

r198 many people here agree with France and Macron. You musn't have read all the posts.

[quote] And guess what? It's the Americans who complain the most about it.

Not on DL.

And the French were imbeciles to allow so many Muslims in.

Wow, two western democracies, former allies, at each other’s throats. Who does that benefit?

This kid is too dumb to see the obvious. His statement proves his cluelessness. Playing into the hands of France’s true enemies. Just like anybody on here who fell for OP’s obvious division thread.

Oh, I forgot what's the funniest part. This video in which the darling of America talks about Wokeism.

And guess what Obama also think that's total bullshit!

So I wonder who are these so-called democrats on the DL who attacks Macron and the French people when their idol is super critical about this Woke culture...

Hypocrisy again? Hell yes!

r202 most DLers agree with Macron. Did you read this entire thread? And the anti-Macron guy is Basque Spanish.

R201 "former allies" France is in fact America's first ally and therefore America's longest-serving ally. This is not a small detail of history since France holds a major role in the foundation of the USA. And the one who always betrays the other is not France.

This article is complete trash propaganda. How do they get away with publishing this dreck as "journalism"?

Macron is correct. Framing the issue as left v right is intentional fraud and manipulation. These same billionaire backed ideologies are destroying the entire West and infiltrating into the Middle East now as well.

R205 Totally agree with you, totally

Obama killed it again on the Woke culture. Macron only made a statement that everyone did about and Obama had months earlier perfectly seeing this happened.

For all the wokies complaining about western imperialism - maybe Europe should get even with Erdogan and take Constantinople back.

[quote]Moorish Spain was a civilized and cultured society where Christians and Jews could live peacefully and prosper.

So funny when white people do the conquering it's all bad, but when Muslims do it it's all good and peaceful.

I shudder to think what the world would be like today if Europe hadn't kicked the Islamic invaders out ... probably a bit like France today. 30 terror attacks in 20 years.

R209 Unfortunally you're right

r209 the invaders almost did it. We can thank Eastern Europeans for halting the onslaught.

I reject the bombast above that Native Americans were "savages". There were notable civilizations and cultures from the tip of South America to the tip of North America through history. Some civilizations were conquering and blood warring and some were enlightened. The Iroquois Confederacy was not a civilization of savages. Also it's a mistake to assume Moorish Spain was all good or all bad by simplistically applying today's geopolitics and political economy back on those time and the differences then between Arab Muslim and European Christian cultures and state and empire building.

I have never seen in my entire life such anti-French hatred except on the DL. In every single thread related to France and the French, the worst assholes appear everywhere to insult the French and no one says anything and does nothing. Muriel probably agrees with this otherwise how to explain that she lets do this kind of thread? It's no wonder that the site has been so little visited for some time. I'm registered on a lot of forums and I've never seen such a hateful posts. I now get what the gay french are talking about and why they left.

^French gays

Everybody has issues with the French.

We do?

He's not wrong.

nations *of immigrants

Jesus Christ. Every time I'm certain that the English are the most insufferably smug cunts on the planet, some French moron shows up like the above twat.

The idea that France has no past or present issues with a legacy of racism, slavery, colonialism, etc., is laughable. High-pitched shrieks of "Mon Dieu" do not change this fact.

Thanks for Lafayette. We helped clean the Nazis out of Paris, so I'm assuming that debt is paid.

As for America's perfidious culture, I have often suspected that if everyone in the United States jumped off a bridge, about eight months later everyone in Europe would jump off a smaller, less attractive bridge and whine about it while they did so.

Have a nice glass of absinthe and shut the fuck up.

Wut is a "perfidious culture"?

Untrustworthy; unstable; malicious.

I'm so tired of all the shitty Euros, they wrecked the world and now want to blame America for everything. I wish covid would wipe them all out.

The only thing destroying France is the far right, just like it’s attempting to destroy everywhere else.

[quote] Also, they were savages.

Scalping your opponents is savage, R212.

Admittedly I'm at a loss as to why peoples whose ideology cannot contain "liberty, equality, fraternity" bother to populate France, if not to overtake it within three generations.

This thread should have ended with r13

[quote]The only thing destroying France is the far right, just like it’s attempting to destroy everywhere else.

You are wrong about that.

In Europe it is the far Left.

Nope, it's the far right.

RN, Vox, AfD, PiS, Liga, FvD/PVV, VB, SD, DF, PS.

Nazi cunts all over the fucking place.

R219 WeOh look, the return of the assholes with all their ignorance about France and all their hatred expressed in the most pathetic way. It's funny when an American dares to accuse France of racism when their obese asses are still sitting in a stolen land, built on the greatest genocide in history on indigenous peoples, practiced slavery and segregation, something that France has never done. Only an American considers that he is not a colonialist while he lives on stolen lands. Only an American has the nerve to say that Europe destroyed the world when his country is the first to wage wars everywhere for more than 50 years and in addition forces the allies to follow them everywhere. Lafayette has done much more than America has ever done for France. First of all the USA did not liberate Europe. It was the British, Russia, who did the dirtiest job for years before Americans finally deigned to participate and they did only because trade with Europe was broken. And the worst part is that in exchange for its help America imposed its Marshall Plan which will be the beginning of its imperialism in Europe. France did not ask for anything in exchange for its help to the America. That's the difference between you and us. So, take your crappy lessons on the French and put it in your dirty hole. Everyone is fed up with your Woke culture, whether you like it or not.

R223 Unlike you, French people never elected a far right president. That was you 4 years ago, you idiot.

R225 Your post reminds me of that scary prophetic novel—

R219 You aware that Europe is older than your white colony in America, right? Jumping off a bridge for the USA? Time for you to stop drugs and alcohol and try to read one or two history books you jerk

France hates us cuz they ain’t us!

R231 It's funny that Trump's trolls refer to Muslim immigration to France when America is responsible for the waves of migration in Europe over the past 20 years because of its wars in Iraq, Afghanistan and Syria. Not only has the US destabilized the world, but it is also Europe that has had to take millions of Muslim immigrants while America has made a Muslim ban.

R233 Lol if only you knew the way French people see America. French don't want to be you, French History is much more respected than yours. 2000 years of History it's not 500 years of your colonialism on a stolen land. French are the natives on their soil.

Wokeness is just self-righteous stupidity gone militant.

Wokeness is just 19th century Holier-Than-Thou Calvinism gone militant.

Wokeism is just modern Marxism, nothing else

Wokeism is the Marxism that refuses to die (even though it's been abandoned by all those former Communist states).

Why is OP crossed out? There are anti-Macon Dataloungers?

Both the far right and the far left are destroying Europe and the US and it is shocking how often both groups are supported by the same money sources! Whoever said the far leftists are radicalized by the far right is spot on. Want prove, look no further than Bernie. Tulski, Greenwald, Assange, Corbyn, Yang, AOC, Tlaib and Omar. From GQP to dirty Russian oligarch money to Erdogan, the far left and the far right are your enemy.

And the French cunt is droning on and on...

They do that, R242. It’s the school system. They have to be all Cartesian and argue thesis and antithesis before they can get ti synthesis. But I expect this froggy to take years.

There was no immigration wave into Europe after the Iraq war R234. If the far leftist hadn't smeared Hillary Clinton 24/7, she might have been able to implement the 'no fly zone' over Syria, (Obama and the EU were also in favor of it) which not only would have saved thousands of lives, it would have kept Putin out of Syria and would have prevented Assad waging war against his own people.

I beg your pardon?? There was no immigration in Europe after Iraq war ??? Are all Americans so ignorant or are you all suffering from amnesia?

I'm not American and I lived in Europe before, during and 10 years after the Iraq War.

Try harder R245!

R246 Lol I'm an European too you jerk and i remember very well that there was a big wave of muslim immigration in Europe during and after Iraq war. Try even harder, liar!!!

I knew that the haters weren't Americans. I can smell Turkish/Viet/Russian JEALOUS trolls from here

America's woke culture about to destroy America.

Anything that disagrees with the corporatist agenda gets greyed out here.

OP here. Weird that I’m crossed out and can’t even see it. Never been crossed out, so I’m win!

If the French hadn't accepted so many of these people, they wouldn't have these problems now. Nobody else forced them to take so many backass people, only to put them on benefits and have them in ghettos. It made no sense then and makes no sense now. What a colossal mistake.

R247, maybe you are European, but you certainly didn't live in Europe. The huge immigration wave happened after and during the Syrian civil war.

Iraq was not a civil war, the targets were mostly government and military institutions, which were alredy weakend by Hussein's constant wars with neighbors Iran and Kuwait. Displacement of Iraqis happened mainly because ISIS started to infiltrate regions and terrorize people.

Assad is waging a war against his own people and he is supported by Putin doing this. The number of refugees is 6-8 times higher than during or after the Iraq war.

R238

Wokeism is just Weaponized Marxism designed to destroy western civilization.

The backlash against democratic socialists will be harsh. Hopefully they will be shunned by sane people and forced to subsist on handouts from churches.

R241

Gabbard, Greenwald, Taibbi, and Assange, are patriots that are exposing the evil core of the Left.

Just because you are stupid enough to believe that Russians interfered in the 2016 election doesn’t mean that the rest of us have your room temperature level IQ.

R245

Most of these idiots consume nothing but propaganda from CNN, MSNBC, the New York Times, the Washington Post, and tweets from AOC. Their ignorance of world affairs is by design. If the media actually informed them about the reality of what was happening throughout the Middle East then they wouldn’t vote for Democrats that want to bomb the fuck out of every country on the planet.

If I wanted to kill myself R255, I would jump from your ego down to your IQ.

R230 France has a very large rightwing populist movement that continues to win elections in France. They have their own Trumpers to cope with.

R235 "The French are native to their soil".

Uh, what does that even mean? France, like most of Europe, was invaded many, many times over the centuries by a great variety of people. all of whom left their genetic mark.

"France" and "French" is a construct exactly like "Britain" and "British" and "USA" and "American" except for the fact "France" and "Britain" are much older than "American".

R251/OP, being crossed out on Datalounge should be viewed as a badge of honor.

[quote]"France" and "French" is a construct

Example A of how the left's agenda is to destroy a culture.

I can see you're completely lost R259. You're firing like a rabid dog who doesn't even understand it's opponent.

Whatever ...