Wow! One could not make this up.

Predatory German Nuns - great name for a band

The return of Maria Monk.

He was awarded $18,000. Cheapskates.

Have you ever read 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝐴𝑤𝑓𝑢𝑙 𝐷𝑖𝑠𝑐𝑙𝑜𝑢𝑟𝑒𝑠 𝑜𝑓 𝑀𝑎𝑟𝑖𝑎 𝑀𝑜𝑛𝑘, R2?

Yes, R4.

This German case sounds like something out of the 19th century antii-Catholic scare literature.

Just like European anti-Jewish propaganda was recycled against the Democrats, American anti-Catholic propaganda is being recycled in Germany.

So, R2/R5/R6, Catholics never did anything like that? It was all just smear?

The convent tried to deal with the problem quietly, but that Maria was just incorrigible.

Maria, what is it you...?

[quote]Just like European anti-Jewish propaganda was recycled against the Democrats...

R6, I'm not aware of this occurring. Do you have an example?

[quote]𝐴𝑚𝑒𝑟𝑖𝑐𝑎𝑛 anti-Catholic propaganda is being recycled in Germany...

Are you American, R6?

You seem really quick to dismiss the charge against the German nuns, almost like it's a reflexive reaction. You probably don't buy into clerical abuse happening at all, do you?

Religion is the root of all evil.

This checks out

Keep in mind that these nuns were [italic]women[/italic]. Their defense will be that they were 'scared.' Therefore they're innocent and can not be held accountable. They were victims.

R10, there was a rumor this fall that a cabal of Democrats, including Biden, drank the blood of infants.

As one Jewish friends said, "Hey! They're stealing our blood libel!"

R10, I buy clerical abuse. However, elaborate conspiracy theories about large groups exchanging money for illegal purposes and trafficing for a long period of time in secret usually are not true.

Somewhere, somehow it would become known. This sort of thing might escape punishment, but it would not escape. notice.

True conspiracies tend to be of shorter duration and without all the overhead.

R10, in addition, these stories sound very similar to the 19th century tales of priests and nuns.

I can believe that the pedos realized that while they were persecuted everywhere in the civilized world, the Catholic Church was the one organization that would both employ unmarried pedos, and cover up their crimes. So I think there has been a slow influx of pedophiles into the ranks of the priesthood, God knows how far back it goes, but it was solidly established and powerful by the late 20th century.

Which makes sense, but what doesn't make sense is that we only hear from men who were molested as children. The molestation of little girls happened, but why no stories from women now? Does the media only play up the assaults on boys? Did the boy-lovers force the girl-lovers out?

If you want to see how systematic coverups take place read the exhaustive report on molesting priests in Pennsylvania if you have not already.

It is emotionally hard to read.

But it shows how actual humans conspire to cover up misdeeds. After reading this, it may be easier to see how the German story does not quite match up with human behavior as we know it.

[quote]So I think there has been a slow influx of pedophiles into the ranks of the priesthood, God knows how far back it goes, but it was solidly established and powerful by the late 20th century.

To the beginning of Christianity, R17. The Didache, a church manual from the 2nd-3rd centuries, warns "do not seduce boys" (Didache 2:2), an injunction which would hardly been necessary had it not already been taking place.

[quote]R10, there was a rumor this fall that a cabal of Democrats, including Biden, drank the blood of infants.

Are you referring to the QAnon claims, R14?

Gee, in Germany. Who'da thunk? And in the civilized 50s, at that!

Oops---In the 60s and 70s.

Well, you can take a German nun out of the Third Reich, but you can't take the Third Reich out of the nun!

A "rumor," r14? Are you mentally defective? Nutty statements on retarded websites don't rise to the level of "rumor," you ASS.

[quote]Which makes sense, but what doesn't make sense is that we only hear from men who were molested as children. The molestation of little girls happened, but why no stories from women now? Does the media only play up the assaults on boys? Did the boy-lovers force the girl-lovers out?

This comprises an interesting difference between the 19th century claims and those of today, R17. 19th century anti-Catholic polemic focused primarily on impropriety between priests and girls/married women in confessional (typified by Charles Chiniquy's 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑃𝑟𝑖𝑒𝑠𝑡, 𝑇ℎ𝑒 𝑊𝑜𝑚𝑎𝑛, 𝑎𝑛𝑑 𝑡ℎ𝑒 𝐶𝑜𝑛𝑓𝑒𝑠𝑠𝑜𝑛𝑎𝑙, 1887 - see link); today's 'awful disclosures' are most often about priests and boys.

[quote]However, elaborate conspiracy theories about large groups exchanging money for illegal purposes and trafficing for a long period of time in secret usually are not true.

Is that your take on the Epstein pedo ring, R15? Or any of the others which have been identified and broken up?

[quote]Somewhere, somehow it would become known.

Hasn't it, R15?

R17, Don't play disingenuous. Not even on DL.

Does the term "altar boys" ring a bell?

[quote]A "rumor," R14? Are you mentally defective? Nutty statements on retarded websites don't rise to the level of "rumor," you ASS.

R23, that would seem to be his point - that both are comparable 'nutty statements.' And "rumor" is essentially the same thing - unsubstantiated claims or stories.

This topic was already posted. And no one gave much of a fuck about it.

I'm lost how people believe this, but not pizzagate. It's the same situation being played out in different institutions.

Either they're both urban legend and moral panic mixed with fact, or they're both true.

No, the two are not equivalent, R28. The German case has an admitted victim, with corroborating evidence, and a finding. There's nothing like that for Pizzagate.

Poor attempt, R28.

R24, yes it is my take and supports my point. A large conspiracy that goes on for a long time with many administrators managing it in complete secrecy is usually not true. The Epstein conspiracy shows how it really works.

The Epstein ring is a smaller conspiracy with less people involved. It seems to have gone on for 30 years, which seems exceptionally long, but because it was kept to a smaller informal group without a large administration. Also, it was not completely secret. I had heard about Epstein when I was living in NYC. (I did not know if it was true or not, but Epstein's activities were gossiped about.. And there were other legal actions about it, before the successful one.)

The differences between Epstein and the German story illustrate the difference between a real trafficking conspiracy and one that is made up.

It’s only a blood libel when it is an accusation against Jews.

With Catholics, the evidence is actually there. It’s not a blood libel if it’s true.

Christians are scum.

And this is why we beat their cracker kraut asses in both world wars, and why if they try this shit again we will obliterate them permanently in the third one.

And next time, it won’t just be Germany who suffers. It will be all majority white nations. Germany, Italy, and the former Soviet Bloc “nations” are the worst of the worst. Whiteness is racism, and this is proof of why.

There are voluminous reports that have been publicly released about institutional clerical child abuse in Ireland and Philadelphia, along with many other places. This accusation is absolutely credible.

I attended Catholic schools in Italy and Lebanon in the late 1950s, when I was a six year-old girl. One nun took me aside and stuck her fingers down my panties. In the Lebanon school, a nun gathered the class together outside during recess to show us how feral newborn kittens should be disposed of: she cut off their heads with a knife, right in front of us. I told my parents, and they were upset, but they said that nothing could be done about it (and they weren't even Catholic, they just sent me to the Catholic school because it was the better school in Beirut).

The Keepers on Netflix is about girls abused by Catholic priests. Above someone asked why we "never" hear about girls. I'm not sure why that would be relevant to the number of boys reporting abusing. I believe priests are protected because I'm from a culture that immediately thinks, What did she do to bring it on herself; don't let one mistake ruin HIS life; and it's too awful to discuss so bringing it up is shame that accrues to the accuser.

R31, no one calls this German case "a blood libel"

The blood libel is the story that a cabal of Democrats (including Biden and Clinton) drinks the blood of infants.

R32 Why are you so rude? You are clearly off your meds!

[quote]R30: The differences between Epstein and the German story illustrate the difference between a real trafficking conspiracy and one that is made up.

There are all sorts of sexual predators in all walks of life, but the ones in the Catholic clergy are particularly well documented.

R36: why are you people so racist, violent, and abusive?

I would believe it people have done unspeakable things to children and always seem to try and use religion to cover up their evil. It happened nearly everywhere Just look at residential schools. There’s something terrible in many humans.

" I believe priests are protected because I'm from a culture that immediately thinks, What did she do to bring it on herself; don't let one mistake ruin HIS life; and it's too awful to discuss so bringing it up is shame that accrues to the accuser."

Well, that would be working against the old reasons that men don't talk about childhood sexual abuse, they think it makes them appear unmanly, weak, vulnerable, and a target of scorn from both men and women. It's only in the last decade or two that brave men have been opening up about the systemic abuse of boys by priests and putting a stop to this shit, women have been talking about childhood sexual abuse and its effects for much longer, and they may well have more support for doing so. But even with that, when the METOO thing exploded a couple of years ago and women suddenly put tales of abuse and exploitation out there in front of the whole world... there was nothing about pedo priests and little girls.

Well, nothing that hit the mainstream media, anyway, and that may be part of the issue. I do suspect that the media carried more about the abuse of boys than girls, partly because the abuse of girls is so common (and borderline normalized) that the abuse of boys has more shock value, or maybe boys are seen as somehow less culpable because of heteronormativity. If male priests abuse girls it's seen as heterosexuality, if boys who are assumed to be straight are abused by men, it's seen as doubly perverse, hence the shock value.