LET'S DISCUSS NOTORIOUS ROCK AND ROLL JERKS

Gary Glitter is bad.

Animal assassin, statutory rapist, and Trumptard, Ted Nugent?

Daddy

Jerry Cantrell of Alice In Chains used to beat up the groupies he would bed from time to time. He also demanded a blow job from a girl I used to know who danced at The Lusty Lady in Seattle by virtue of being THE Mr. Jerry Cantrell. When she declined he tried to get her fired.

David Lee Roth.

Lou Reed.

Ted Nugent, Kid Rock, Gene Simmons, Axl Rose; James Brown;

Ryan Adams

I have a Lou Reed story. When I used to work for camera store on 47th street in Manhattan, Lou Reed came in, and bought an expensive SLR camera. The next day he comes in with an older model of a different camera. It was very beat up, and scratched. He claimed it was the camera he bought the day before, and was demanding a refund. He started swearing, and calling us all "dirty fucking thieving Jews" when we said we could not accept it as it was not the camera he purchased on the receipt. The owner got two big guys to muscle him out of the store. He started yelling "do you know who I am?" to which the owner said "yes! a bum! now get out!"

Another Lou Reed story: When I was in college, I had a professor who went to graduate school in New York. She claims that in the 1960s she saw Lou Reed shoot up heroin on stage during a performance.

Phil Collins.

Alice Cooper is a Trump supporter. He qualifies.

Ted Nugent and his guns

Axl once broke a *full* bottle of wine over his neighbor's head.

Ted Nugent and his right wing cuntiness.

Had no idea what an anti-Semite Lou Reed was; glad I never liked him or listened to his music.

Isn't Nugent a known child molester as in the textbook definition, how is he not rotting in a prison basement somewhere?

Van Morrison is reputed to be bitter, mean, and nasty. I've read that his behavior is comparable to Reed's. Both big drunks. I don't know if Morrison had an enabler like Laurie Anderson.

And Nugent actually legally adopted his underage groupie so she was available to him 24/7. I wonder what became of her.

You can add draft dodger to Nugent's list of hypocritical accomplishments. I wouldn't blame young men of the era from wanting to get out of Vietnam, but he turned into a right wing creep who'd send anyone's kid off to fight senseless wars. There's also the way he got out of being drafted. He made himself look his grungy best, no personal hygiene in the prior week and while in his recruiters office took a massive dump in his pants during his interview. I wish I could come up with the reference, but I read it about 30 years ago.

There's also the bow hunting...

Mike Love.

Most of them old school rockers boinked 14 year olds: Bowie, Jagger, Iggy Pop, Don Henley, Jimmy Page, etc.

Don Henley seems like an absolute dick.

R19 Mike Love’s rant during the Beach Boys’ Rock N Roll Hall of Fame induction is always good for a laugh.

I watched a thing about Motley Crue. They seemed like a band full of drug addicted dickheads. Vince Neil killed his friend drunk driving

Oh God, what rock star ISN't a jerk? They all tend to be assholes, creeps, even the most revered ones. They all have huge egos, are druggies/drunks, treat women like shit.

I bet Dave Matthews is nice and Pearl Jam.

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Bono's face owns this thread. I'd pay money to slap him as hard as I could. Sting is another, and while not a rock star, his wife Trudy needs a vicious slap.

I read a news story a few years back about a woman who had volunteered for Amnesty International back in the 80s/90s. She was chosen to meet Bono at the airport and escort him to an event. She said that in the back of the limousine, Bono grabbed her and forcibly kissed her. She was horrified and let down, but kept it to herself. Years later, at an Amnesty event, she was talking with a group of women and got the courage up to mention her bad experience with Bono. She expected them to disbelieve and ostracize her. Instead, several other women related that he had done the exact same thing to them. I don't understand why he hasn't been "cancelled" based on this.

Don Henley - Drugging and raping two teenagers in 1980. Ozzy Osbourne - tried to kill Sharon in a drug induced rage. Jimmy Page/Bowie/Nugent/Bill Wyman - bonking 14 year olds. Pete Townshend/Gary Glitter - pedos. Lou Reed/Every Beatle except for Paul/Oasis/Jack White/Josh Homme/Bjork/pretty much every member of Fleetwood Mac/Slash/Axl Rose/Cortney Love/ Billy Corgan - general physical violence.

Jerry Lee Lewis killed one teenage wife, maybe two.

Jim Morrison was an obnoxious SOB. He would got to parties and piss on the carpet...or in people's drinks.

Brian Jones was a piece of shit. He turned his friends onto drugs. He fathered several illegitimate children and had nothing to do with any of them. One of the mothers of his children went to the hotel where he was staying with his equally detestable girlfriend Anita Pallenberg; they stood on a balcony laughing at her while she held the baby up and begged for financial help.

There's video of Chuck Berry pissing in a groupie's mouth. What a nice guy.

ALL the members of Kiss, Gene Simmons, Paul Stanley, Ace Frehley and Peter Criss, are disgusting assholes.

Jimmy Page had his goons literally kidnap little 14 year old Lori Maddox; they threw her in a limo and brought her to him. Being a dimwitted 14 year old she was flattered by this.

John Bonham, who everybody "loved", was a mean as shit drunk who would throw tv sets out of windows and beat the crap out of people.

John Lennon was a druggie who treated his first wife and son like shit, would physically abuse women, have violent temper tantrums and do things like mock crippled, mentally challenged children and call poor Brian Epstein a "queer Jew." He was also a hypocrite, living in excessive luxury while warbling lyrics like "imagine no possession" and pretending to genuinely care about political issues.

Trent Reznor had groupies eat bowls of Fruit Looks then take laxatives and shit in the bowls. I guess he got turned on by that.

Bono is a loudmouthed egomaniac who portrays himself as a devoted husband when in fact he's had numerous affairs with the likes of Christy Turlington, Andrea Corr and Winona Ryder.

Wait, Trent Reznor would have them eat then shit in the bowls? Did he have them it the shit? Because if he only liked to watch them shit he’s not being a jerk, he just has a weird fetish. He might very well be a grade A asshole but that is not a great example unless he forced them to eat their own shit.

Chuck berry also farts in the face of the groupie when she’s rimming him.

Linked is audio of said event.

I've worked in music for over 25 years now. Here's my gossip:

David Byrne - Cold, dismissive, and unapproachable.

Benji Madden - A prime example of the Dunning/Kruger effect.

Tom Delonge - insatiable coke-head. It fucked with his head too much, and now he's nuttier than squirrel shit.

Ariana Grande - An awful person who used to be coked out of her mind.

Adam Lambert - Constantly showed up 3 hours late to writing or recording sessions, (rolling up in a murdered out Bentley) and then disappear after an hour. Also had a major coke problem.

Miley Cyrus/Tish Cyrus - Two cunts who cost my client, and me a lot of money by skipping out on recording a Hannah Montana song after the contract had been signed, and the song was cut. Lost a publishing deal because of her.

If I think of more, I'll chime in.

NOTHING about me?

R34 David Byrne has Aspergers, so I'd give him a pass. Do you have any tea on Cher, Madonna, Stevie Nicks, Mariah Carey, etc.?

Two anti-jerks and one jerk:

1. Kurt Cobain. I saw him and Nirvana (no idea who he or they were at the time) in a Long Beach, CA backyard BBQ party in 1990 (may have been 91) when I was a preteen. Super nice, if very, very shy. And I've heard nothing but the same even after he became famous.

2. Lady Gaga. She lives a few doors down from my partner. He's run into her countless times (when she's there, she walks her dogs frequently; my partner does the same). My partner had no idea who she was for the longest time, but loved her just as much then as he loves her now that he knows she's Gaga.

3. Morrissey. Maybe my favorite frontman of all time in one of my top five favorite bands of all time. I was a Smiths junkie for sure. I was bartending on the pier in Santa Monica circa 2003 and he walks in with some latin twink. (I grew up in LA and at that point had met/seen/hung out with too many famous people to count. I never cared. But I did with him.) I sort of stuttered as I dropped off his beers (Corona!) and, for the first time ever in my life, said that I was a big fan to a celeb. He just scowled at me liked I killed his first born. Then shooed me away.

Mick Jagger - erudite and intelligent. Like could honestly be a banker or politician or a schoolteacher when not "on." L'Wren, however, was said to be a hot nightmare.

^There is a documentary about Donald Cammell, who wrote and (actually) directed Nicholas Roeg's *PERFORMANCE*, among other films, available on youtube. M. Jagger is interviewed in it briefly, mostly about life in London during the Sixties, and it's abundantly clear from that interview how smart Jagger is, not just crafty or clever, but very knowledgeable, intelligent, and well educated; it's an impressive side of him that is not often found in interviews with him. The film itself is one of the best documentaries I've seen about the Sixties.

Or about me, Joni!

Elvis Costello once called Ray Charles the n-word.

Ted Nugent prefers females 11-16

Lindsey Buckingham - Alcoholic, beat Stevie Nicks and choked her.

R33 Chuck Berry is UGLY

R43 lol Stevie attacked him first while high on Klonopin.

The "Saint Stevie Nicks" thing so funny to me. She rivalled most men in rock in terms of her love of alcohol, drugs, sex, and violence. I guess she looks innocent with her big brown doe eyes so she gets a pass.

LB beat her many times before that night, and Stevie wasn't on Klonopin yet at that point. She didn't get on it until the 1987 tour started, after LB thankfully left.

Dionne Warwick likes to smoke hog legs while stirring shit on Twitter and acting like a big twat to all of humanity.

R47 and you know that how? There was one other incident that I know of in New Zealand. I used to work in the biz and have seen Stevie Nicks firsthand beat a security guard on the chest with her firsts while high out of her fucking mind and eyeliner running down her face like Alice Cooper.

Fat lesbians love to simp for Stevie Nicks.

R36 Not much interaction with any that you mentioned. Also, David Byrne's self-diagnosed Aspies is not an excuse for his treatment of people in the industry.

Honestly, I've met/worked with a lot of rock stars in my time at record labels and then management. It's very rare that I have a bad impression or interaction with musicians. If there's a thread on cool rockstars, then I have a ton of stories.

r27 "Bono's face owns this thread. I'd pay money to slap him as hard as I could."

LOL! I love this, thank you.

R51 Post some anecdotes about cool rock stars! I think it's good to have a balance.

R51 This is a good thread for such stories!

R34 is David Byrne really that bad? I know that many people find his treatment of his former bandmates appalling.

The list of who isn’t an asshole would be much shorter. I am guessing under ten names.

Another vote for racist Jerry Lee Lewis, another for Lennon who treated his first wife and son so badly, Jimi Hendrix who also beat women up, and did anyone upthread mention Keith Moon?

How is it that the PC Brigade isn't out trying to cancel Lennon, Lewis, Hendrix, et al.?

R22: Based on that, I blame Disney for making Elton John fat.

And this, too…

R53 & R54

Okay, if you insist. My favorite artist I've ever worked with is Mavis Staples. She makes you strive to be a better person. I would take a fucking bullet for Mavis. She's THAT special to me.

Dave Grohl - Never got to work with him, but have had many encounters. He's affable, has a great sense of humor, and just overall a great dude. He can BBQ the shit out of ribs and brisket too!

Green Day - Had an artist tour with them during the American Idiot tour. I know some people think BIlly Joe Armstrong is a dick, but he was always VERY cool with me. Tre and Mike were also quite chill.

Mark Hoppus - Wicked smart, friendly, always a great conversation with him.

Stephen Pearcy - Quiet, but really nice. His daughter was a fan of an artist I used to manage. He would show up to all the LA and San Diego shows. He offered great advice and told fun stories.

Plain White T's - You may remember them as the "Hey There Delilah" band. I remember them just being super nice, easy to work with, open to ideas. I was their publicist at the time, and they couldn't get arrested before the hit. They didn't seem to care about good or bad reviews. I think I took it more personal than they did.

Van Morrison is routinely cited as the biggest asshole on music.

More on David Byrne. He seems mild mannered...

R62 He fired his manager for bringing him an offer in the 9 figures to reunite Talking Heads. His manager was only doing his job. He constantly tries to screw the rest of the band over on songwriting credits, most recently in the HBO version of American Utopia. 80% of Talking Heads' songs were written by the whole band. Maybe not the lyrics, but a lot of the grooves, melodies, and vamps.

He talks so much about Talking Heads being "behind him" and he's not into "nostalgia" tours. Yet half his set are Talking Heads' songs. American Utopia could have easily been a reunion, and the band would let DB have full creative control over the show. They wouldn't even have a problem playing his solo songs.

I can see an 8 figure offer for reunion, but 9 seems excessive.

R64 That included merchandising, film rights, and recording rights. Think about which company offers turnkey tours that loves to overpay.

R64 Song writing credits are notorious fraught. From what I've read David Byrne would come up with a vocal melody and then the band would work together to provide an instrumental. Unfortunately, vocal melody and lyrics are enough to warrant full song writing credit. It's not fair and I know so many bassists and drummers who were absolutely fucked over by narcissistic lead singers.

I'll drop no names here, but let me just say that my daughter's vagina bone took 6 months to heal.

R62 The bass player Tina Weymouth quit over his allegedly sexist behavior.

R66 You're wrong. Topline only warrants partial credit. I deal with this on a daily basis. The band as a whole came up with a lot of the hooks. It wasn't just DB. Once In A Lifetime was more Jerry and Tina than DB.

R58 It seemed like a bit of a traumatic evening for all those rock stars. Bob Dylan shaded Mike Love during his acceptance speech. And Dylan might be one of the biggest assholes IN the RRFM.

R66 Also, for a bit of clarification, the songwriting splits have been settled a long time ago. The band splits most of the songs equally.

I'm talking about the actual credit. DB did not write Burning Down The House by himself. Yet, he credits himself on American Utopia as the sole writer. That pisses off the rest of the band. It's his fucking ego.

R69 Of course I don't know the specifics, but from what I've been told, back in the 60s and 70s melody and lyrics were enough to warrant full credit but that standard has sinced changed, which is why modern tracks sometimes have up to 7 songwriters, particularly in rap and r&b where rhythm is just as important as melody. Please enlighten me. I find all of this stuff fascinating.

R68 I find David Byrne solo boring. Tina's playing style and the unique parts she came up with was so fundamental to the Talking Heads sound.

R71 wouldn't a lot of what listeners hear as 'writing' actually be arrangement?

Was David Byrne always an asshole, or did something push him over the edge? The success of Stop Making Sense?

Who are the nice rockers?

Elvis might have been the nicest going by stories I have read/heard.

Dave Grohl is supposedly nice but he's corny and his music is bland. He's the quintessential nice dude that everyone likes (except for Courtney Love).

I still remember when the Foo Fighters supported an AIDS denial charity. No idea if they support it now (I doubt it), but I remember thinking that was an... interesting stance.

R72 In the '60s publishing splits were given to the DJs for putting a song in heavy rotation. Songwriting credit was always given to "those in the room" who contributed.

R74. Nope. The composition includes, melodies, and lyrics. If someone uses just the lyrics to a song, the lyricists isn't the only one who gets paid. The composers of the song all get paid a certain percentage, predetermined usually by a split sheet or an oral agreement.

Elvis physically abused groupies and some even had to seek emergency treatment.

Proof, R81?

This woman became a friend of Elvis because she used to hang out at the gate of his house. She has very nice comments about him.

Another Anecdote about David Byrne:

Bernie Worrell was dying of cancer. Jerry Harrison and a few friends organized a benefit to pay for Bernie's bills. All 4 members of the band were in attendance, and David refused to get on stage to perform with Chris, Tina, and Jerry. Not even for Bernie, the unofficial 5th member of the band.

R18 Steven Tyler also became the legal guardian of a groupie to keep her available (how many rocks stars have done that, I wonder?) and from the stories I've heard, it sounds like her parents sold her to him. He also sabotaged her birth control and forced her to get an abortion. She's now super-religious.

R31 I remember back in the mid-90s Winona Ryder was photographed constantly at U2 shows, like she was following the band around. Now I know why.

Anthony Kiedis is a douchebag who sleeps with teenagers. Marilyn Manson is an abusive creep.

R25 Pearl Jam is well-known for being extremely nice and rather dull. The only gossip on them is that Eddie Vedder's first wife cheated on him and left him for another man. When he hooked up with his second wife, a lot of his frau fans got mad because she was a model, and they complained he turned into a "typical rock star."

I'm interested in hearing Stevie Nicks stories. I'll never understand why out of all the artists of her era, all the middle-aged women and young hipsters love her.

R80 Adding a really tasty baseline that deviates from the main melody is still technically arrangement. Guitarists who write solos or harmonic fills are technically not songwriters, nor are drummers credited when they add really cool drum fills. Take Dreams by Fleetwood Mac for instance. Stevie Nicks just wrote 2 chords repeating. Yet there are organ and guitar arrangements layered over top that make it sound like it's more complex. Adding notes or chords to songs doesn't necessarily mean someone will be credited as a song writer.

R88 She was on American Horror Story and it resurrected her career. Blame Ryan Murphy. I much prefer Debbie Harry.

Sting

Eric Clapton

[quote]Steven Tyler also became the legal guardian of a groupie to keep her available

I wish I hadn’t googled this.

R89 That's not what happens in the real world, dude. If the bassline, keyboards, guitars are part of the hook(s) (which can deviate from the chord progression or melody) then they can claim songwriting credit. How it really happens is publishing splits are usually pre-determined by band agreement, or the songwriting team prior to the session starting. Splitting hairs on who wrote which parts and giving minute percentages is (usually) no longer the case. Soloists, not part of the writing get paid by sideman agreements. There are times when they might not get "credit" but will participate in the publishing splits. I manage Grammy winning songwriters and producers.

In the case of Talking Heads, the agreements were airtight and the band were all under the same publishing company, which was setup by Seymore Stein.

How did it get this far down in the comments with NO mention of Phil Spector?

Also, clearly the guys from Great White were dicks. What an asshole move to burn alive your last hundred fans.

I adore Ronnie Spector's music, but will never forget this:

[quote]As for what became of Ronnie’s adopted children with Phil, the eldest, Donte, was last reported to be HIV-positive, homeless and living in a car blocks away from Phil’s mansion in Beverly Hills. He and his brother Gary have both spoken on the record about the physical and sexual abuse they claim to have suffered at Phil’s hands. Ronnie claims to have a good relationship with her adopted sons – especially Donte, “the half-breed like me.” She pauses. [bold]“Four years ago, Donte’s saying, ‘Mom, I have AIDS.’ I don’t know if that’s true – he may be trying to distract me from what I’m doing.”[/bold]

A forty something Gregg Allman saw a 16 year old Shannon Wilsey in a restaurant (I think she was with her mother) and asked for an introduction. He took her on tour with him as a sperm receptacle; she said she would watch porn videos with him on his tour bus and he supposedly introduced her to drugs. Of course little Shannon became "Savannah" the porn star groupie. Later, when her life was on the skids she went to one of his concerts and tried to reconnect with him but he would have nothing to do with her. She later committed suicide. Would she have ended up the way she did if she hadn't been seduced by a rock star old enough to be her father? I somehow think he life may have turned out differently if she hadn't be used by Gregg Allman.

[quote]Adding notes or chords to songs doesn't necessarily mean someone will be credited as a song writer.

Say what?

Beyonce is one of the biggest hacks in the music industry.

One of my "favorite" John Lennon anecdotes involves him bullying a member of The Turtles so badly that he quit showbiz!

[quote]Howard says Tucker, who had worshipped Lennon, was so upset by the incident that "he ran out of the club, he got into a taxi, he flew back to California [shortly thereafter], he never played music again [and] I never saw him after that."

He got off easy compared to the first Mrs. Lennon. He beat her.

R96 and her mother allowed this?

"and her mother allowed this?"

Yep. Obviously a permissive parent. Maybe she was star struck, too. Kind of reminds me of the mothers who turned their little boys over to Michael Jackson. Anyway, Shannon Wilsey had no good role models in her life; her father was absent and her mother let her do anything. When she was an adult her father contacted her and wanted to have a relationship with her but she shut him down telling him "where where you" when she was sleeping with a man in his forties when she was a teenager (presumably she was referring to Allman) and told him "I HATE YOU!" The girl was so messed up she became a porn star and a druggie. I think it's easy to understand why.

R99: The story has been debunked by Tucker himself. He was sick of touring and coming up with new material. He became an electrician which is probably better than playing Community Days with the Grass Roots in Naperville.

R103 On one hand I'm relieved, but on the other hand... it was a funny anecdote! No doubt, at a certain point working a stable job an d retiring is better than performing at state fairs, I'm sure.

Too bad they didn't have [italic]To Catch a Predator[/italic] then since [italic]Wonderful World of Disney[/italic] was still on the air in its time slot.

No doubt Kiedis was a slut, 87— I mean you don’t look like him and pass up the chance to be promiscuous. But I’ve read some blinds that he was a respectful whore to his conquests and very clean smelling and tasting.

R16 - Lou Reed was Jewish, his father had changed his name from Rabinowitz to Reed.

Doesn't stop him being self-hating I guess.

A friend once saw Lou Reed live, apparently someone in the audience coughed or something and Reed stopped the show until the offending person was removed.

R107, for anyone who is familiar with Lou Reed's catalogue, the cough was probably the best part of the show.

Melody considered more essential than harmony, even though a different harmonic arrangement can make a dull melody sound great and vice versa. For instance, Judy Collin’s version of “Both Sides Now” is more harmonically complex than Joni’s original, since the arranger added a lot of chords that were implied by the melody, but that Joni didn’t come up with. Still Joni is credited as the original writer.

^ is considered

Kiedis's autobio is a really good read. He's a very fucked up individual. His dad was major drug dealer...

I will never understand what Laurie Anderson saw in Lou Reed.

Was her self-esteem really that low?

Lou was a jerk, but his talent is undeniable. Transformer is one of the best albums of all time.

His ego was part out of proportion relative to his talent, r113.

I think the most notorious jerks are the people that pay to see some of these artists in their current state...ages 70+ making fools of themselves on stage, should be arrested for trying to act young and that they still "have what it takes."

R115 The Eagles, The Rolling Stones, Paul McCartney, and Fleetwood Mac then.

Lou Reed is awesome. WTF is r6 on about?

David Byrne is a brilliant musician but douchey.

But he's not Axl Rose/ James Brown-level douchey. That's a whole, other league than these minor diva moments you guys are citing.

Lou Reed could indeed be an asshole. But 1) people who thought they saw him shooting heroin on stage saw him -pretending- to shoot up heroin on stage. Well known fact about that. 2) He was sober before he met Laurie Anderson. 3) He was of course himself Jewish.

(115) I totally agree, nothing more hilarious than seeing Mick Jagger doing his "act" at his age. Probably backstage doctor's, nurses, stretchers, EMT personnel..

Mick Jagger is awesome on stage! I've seen them in concert before and he moves like a person half his age. And he sounds great! He puts on a great show.

r119 Lou Reed continued to drink when he was with Laurie, which was revealed after his death.

And didn't he ruin his new liver too?

R119 - Do you mean sober as in clean from heroin? I read a couple of stories of Reed becoming shit-faced and abusive in public with Anderson apologizing and wrangling him out.

r116, don't forget about me!

I never thought of Madonna as a rock star. A pop star, maybe. But she always seemed to me to be just some kind of entertainment performer who wanted to do everything (singing, dancing, film acting, theater) and get lauded for all of it. Aside from all that she IS a monstrous human being.

Don't forget I was inducted into the R&R HoF on my first nomination!

Has anyone else heard the Van Morrison/Eric Clapton anti-masking song? IDIOTS.

r127, yes, and David Crosby has called him out on it.

Van Morrison is a noted jackass. As was Lou Reed. Jim Morrison, too, though he was more of an obnoxious drunk and supposedly more tame when sober, which was never, so he was pretty much always a jerk as well.

I will add John Phillips, who was a philanderer, grifter, hedonist, and incest-perpetrator!

Classic-ish rock nice guys (per friend in business) include Dave Grohl, Graham Nash (CSN - Our House), Bruce Springsteen, Billy Joel, the Rolling Stones (great to work for apparently), and -- not classic rock at all but Snoop Dogg. My friend dropped her suitcase and it exploded all over the airport carousel area. He stooped down to help her pick it up and then flashed that grin. She later sat next to him on the plane and he was very nice.

That's all I got.

"Don't forget I was inducted into the R&R HoF on my first nomination!"

Since the R&R HoF is a joke, I don't think that's much of an achievement, Madge.

Regarding David Byrne, I read recently that he didn’t think Tina Weymouth could play and wanted her to “audition” after the band had released at least one album!

Interesting then that Rolling Stone lists her as 29th of the greatest bassists ever. For context, Sting is #32. Was this pandering?

R129. Bon Jovi and The Red Hot Chili Peppers are in the RRHoF and New Order and The Smiths are not. It's an absolute joke.

R129. Bon Jovi and The Red Hot Chili Peppers are in the RRHoF and New Order and The Smiths are not. It's an absolute joke.

R115 I sincerely think that Grace Slick was 100% correct that old rockers look like fucking morons:

[quote]"You can do jazz, classical, blues, opera, country until you're 150, but rap and rock and roll are really a way for young people to get that anger out", and, "It's silly to perform a song that has no relevance to the present or expresses feelings you no longer have."

Enya. Notorious coke fiend who trashes hotel rooms and kicks puppies.

Mick Jagger is apparently very friendly and good natured and talks to everyone. A friend worked on his last tour.

r135, my friend was his p.r. person for years (well, worked on the team) and really liked him. I think he's just been in the business for so long and is so professional. VERY smart. He said that L'Wren Scott was really difficult and the complete opposite.

R128 the big difference is that Van Morrison is an historic talent. Lou Reed is a not.

Van Morrison takes Sunday morning dumps that have more musical and lyric complexity than Lou Reed.

[quote]Van Morrison takes Sunday morning dumps that have more musical and lyric complexity than Lou Reed.

Only the former was worthy of a Helen Reddy cover version:

Lou Reed I still listen to. VanMorrison is a shrieking goat.

Both seem(ed) like pissy little twats IRL.

[R47] Prove it. Stevie Nicks WAS NOT a "battered wife." She was very close to her parents and they knew Lindsey well and loved him (Stevie herself has said this repeatedly in interviews). I doubt Stevie's parents - including her very successful CEO father - would have tolerated their little princess being beaten. If there was violence in the Buckingham/Nicks relationship neither were blameless - that's why Stevie has never "gone there." Police have never been called on Lindsey and he's never been charged with domestic violence. I'm not claiming that he was an angel but he wasn't nearly the ogre DL likes to claim he was.

[R16] Lou Reed was Jewish (the real family surname being Rabinowitz). While there are anti-Semitic Jews and I'm not excusing his slur to the camera store people some context would hurt. A total asshole to be sure and wildly overrated. Can't sing, can't play.

I posted this in the Lou Reed thread, but:

I can't remember the interviewer (Terry Gross?), but Lou Reed once reduced a female journalist to tears.

I've also read stories of him abusing employees at venues and Laurie calling to apologize for him.

I wonder if Laurie has the self-awareness to be embarrassed by the way she enabled him.

Also:

[quote]According to a new interview in The Daily Beast, Lou Reed was anything but a stand up guy. The Velvet Underground frontman is the subject of Howard Sounes’ latest biography, Notes from the Velvet Underground: The Life of Lou Reed. Sounes reports that Reed was “a monster” who regularly abused women and casually used harsh racial slurs.

[quote]The accusations stem from interviews with more than 140 of Reed’s friends, past girlfriends, wives, family members and associates. “He would, like, pin you up against a wall,” his ex-wife Betty Kronstad explained. “Tussle you. Hit you… shake you… And then one time he actually gave me a black eye.” An old friend from school furthered the allegations, speaking about an incident in which he brought a girlfriend to dinner. “She would say something. He’d get pissed off at what she said and smash her around the back of the head,” he said.

[quote]Other aggressive acts came in verbal form. An old friend of Reed’s told Sounes that he had called Bob Dylan a “pretentious kike.” He had also openly told a journalist “I don’t like n—-rs like Donna Summer.”

Any Robert Smith stories?

R139 if you listen to Lou Reed, then you must have shit for brains.

[quote] WHO ARE THE BIGGEST JERKS IN ROCK?

The ones who post in all-caps.

R39 Mick Jagger went to the London School of Economics.

Also, I know two people who have had a close encounter with James Brown (one white, one black) and they both said the same thing: James was mean and hostile.

Ginger Baker, the drummer from Cream, was a notorious asshole.

It's all chronicled in the fascinating documentary "Beware of Mr. Baker".

Michael Hutchence of course — rocker notorious for (finish the joke yourself)

R140 it's one fat angry lesbian who probably has a Stevie shrine made of goat hair.

Can someone explain to me why all the basic bitches love Stevie Nicks and Fleetwood Mac?

^^^ Hmmmm. Now what could a "basic bitch" POSSIBLY see in Stevie Nicks, let me think . . .

Time cast a spell on them

So they won't forget her.

Remember when Bono created that Mr. Macphisto character and thought it was the coolest, edgiest thing ever?

^^^ No. No, can't say that I do.

[R155] I do have a foggy memory of that....

Lindsey Buckingham’s long time love Carol Ann Harris wrote a fantastic tell all about the band (Storms) and what it was like to be with Lindsey at the height of Fleetwood Mac mania. He beat her as well. He was a deeply tortured creative who sucked the air out of every room he entered and made the making of every studio album and tour an absolutely hellscape.

Sounds like his co-workers were even more deeply tortured.

[R157] Carol Ann Harris is not a reliable narrator as she was coked out of her mind throughout much of her relationship with Lindsey, who was forced to kick her out because her drug habit was so bad. There are legions of people who've worked with Lindsey who love and respect him and who appreciate his genius. He's also unusually generous - he could have take additional credit on many song but didn't. Do the last 33 years of Lindsey's career matter (from Tango in the Night on), or just the short intervals in which he behaved badly under enormous stress and pressure? I'm sure you're all a bunch of blameless angels who've never done harm to anyone, intentionally or not. The digital mob is highly selective and unforgiving and always has its index finger pointed away from itself. I would have slapped Stevie Nicks too.

Lindsey wrote a song about Carol Ann's drug use on GO INSANE called I MUST GO ("Hey little girl, leave that little drug alone").

I'm sorry if it was mentioned above but had to Jim Morrison. He'd be even worse if he lived longer but a beligerant drunk who thinks they're a genius is thoroughly insufferable.

Dishonorable mention to Don Henley the most bitter twat in the R&R Hall of fame, and Axl Rose for being a pithy frontman as well as a vindictive petty bitch.

[R161] Jim Morrison's poetry was risibly bad. He was a beautiful and gifted performer but that period didn't last long. In retrospect Rock and Roll stardom was the worst thing that could have happened to him as a person, but then again, he did achieve the "immortality" of stardom (insert the laughter of the Gods here). One of the really sad things about his story is that it seems he was never really able to enjoy his success - his rise to stardom coincided with his descent into drugs and booze and he was a pariah in the music industry by the time he died, very stupidly, at age 27. His lousy, senseless death speaks for itself.

[R163] So the Laurie Anderson/Lou Reed marriage was a bearding/business arrangement, correct? I read the biography of Lou Reed (for work) a few years back and it wasn't exactly clear. She seems creepy, too, although I do like some of her music, whereas I loathe him.

All this rock 'n' roll assholism makes me want to listen to Helen Reddy, Barry Manilow, Peter Allen, Olivia Newton-John, and disco, Disco, DISCO!!!!!!!!

Oh, and ABBA, the Carpenters, and Anne Murray, too!

I vacillate on the question of the validity of their relationship, r164. I think he presented himself publicly as something he wasn't in the last decade of his life -- to wit, sober. I imagine Laurie did a lot of damage control, both before and after his death. Given the way he treated everyone in his orbit, it wouldn't surprise me if the relationship was lowkey abusive. I've read accounts of him treating her poorly in public.

She is a little ... out there.

They were together a long time, around 20 years.

[R167] A pair of (Greenwich) Village idiots.

[R167] Why am I cringing at that photo?

Lou's tranny girlfriend. Looks like a rough babe.

R160 Fleetwood Mac and people in that circle did enough blow to keep the lights on in Bogota for a year. I really can't feel bad for any of them.

R137 You gotta be kidding. Just the first VU album is better and more important than the entire Van Morrison's discography. All the VU albums that Lou Reed was on and his few early albums are considered classics of r'n'r. Van Morrison, that dude that shares the last name with Jim and sings that Brown eyed girl song

[R172] But the Velvet Underground is a band, not Lou Reed solo. Nico has the best songs on the banana album.

R173 All those songs she sings are written by Lou Reed. Also, she doesn't appear on any of their other albums. Which are all considered classics. Apart from the last one, without Lou. And he was the one that wrote the majority of the band's lyrics

Another video about how nice Elvis was.

Time has shown Elvis Presley to be the real deal in terms of giving back to the community that gave him so much despite his humble beginnings.

R162 My mom loves Jim Morrison and had all his poetry books. A friend and I used to read them aloud to each other and laugh.

Though, he did write a lot of poems about his cock, so I'm surprised that Morrison's not more popular here.

[quote]Ozzy Osbourne - tried to kill Sharon in a drug induced rage.[/quote]

Well, r29, I think that makes up (almost) for all the rest of his bad behaviour.

[R178] LOL! Too bad Ozzy hadn't been just a little more determined.

elvis was too generous. He bought his friends houses! not just cars...I remember reading that he bought one of his housekeepers/cook a house, and he paid the taxes for the first year as well (this one was well deserved)

David crosby is reportedly an asshole.

The Velveeta Underground's albums are only considered classics of rock and roll by people who majored in art in college and whose senior project consisted of taking a dump on stage and then rolling around in it.

R182 Yeah, nice try. Velvet Underground influenced the entire generations of bands. From punk and post punk to alternative and indie. Who the fuck did Van Morrison influence?

Jerry Cantrell has a HUGE dick, he thinks that makes it OK to treat women and men like shit. Met him years ago at a charity event, he was OK, but you can easily see he's full of himself.

I guess it's a tie between Axl Rose and Ted Nugent. At least Axl came to some senses in the recent years and is no longer homophobic, racist cunt. Still a giant douche though

Lou Reed tried to block out his years with his tranny GF.

R184 How does he treats men badly cause of his big dick? Is he bi? Alice in Chains were such a lame mainstream metal band, had nothing to do with underground or alternative. Were only compared to Nirvana cause they are from Seattle.

Most junkies are jerks and rock-n'roll has tons of junkie musicians.

[R184] How does he treats men badly cause of his big dick? Is he bi? Alice in Chains were such a lame mainstream metal band, had nothing to do with underground or alternative. Were only compared to Nirvana cause they are from Seattle.

It's just a general air about Jerry, he's somewhat arrogant about his huge dick. I find, most men with huge dicks are arrogant.

Guess he was nice to me, I was with a group of people, men and women, who knew the guitarist in another band which also played the benefit gig. Actress Gina Gershon was also performing with one of the bands, she was even joking about Jerry's big dick and this was while they were all on stage! Gina, got on her knees, then she bowed to Jerry's much worshiped dick. It was well known in certain rock circles that Jerry is hung.

I don't think AIC were lame at all. Their Unplugged record is excellent. I even told Jerry that, he said AIC got more fans when they did the unplugged record!

Who the fuck cares about labeling any music. Music should simply be enjoyed. I cannot stand when bands and singers must be labeled. Good music stands the test of time.

IMHO, Nirvana were one of the most overrated rock bands ever. Kurt couldn't sing for shit. I was glad to see that Dave Grohl was able to have success beyond Nirvana, he's an excellent musician. He's also got a great rep in music circles. He's a nice guy and an extremely dedicated musician.

[[R184]] How does he treats men badly cause of his big dick? Is he bi? Alice in Chains were such a lame mainstream metal band, had nothing to do with underground or alternative. Were only compared to Nirvana cause they are from Seattle.

It's just a general air about Jerry, he's somewhat arrogant about his huge dick. I find, most men with huge dicks are arrogant.

Guess he was nice to me, I was with a group of people, men and women, who knew the guitarist in another band which also played the benefit gig. Actress Gina Gershon was also performing with one of the bands, she was even joking about Jerry's big dick and this was while they were all on stage! Gina, got on her knees, then she bowed to Jerry's much worshiped dick. It was well known in certain rock circles that Jerry is hung.

I don't think AIC were lame at all. Their Unplugged record is excellent. I even told Jerry that, he said AIC got more fans when they did the unplugged record!

Who the fuck cares about labeling any music. Music should simply be enjoyed. I cannot stand when bands and singers must be labeled. Good music stands the test of time.

IMHO, Nirvana were one of the most overrated rock bands ever. Kurt couldn't sing for shit. I was glad to see that Dave Grohl was able to have success beyond Nirvana, he's an excellent musician. He's also got a great rep in music circles. He's a nice guy and an extremely dedicated musician.

[quote] R184 How does he treats men badly cause of his big dick? Is he bi? Alice in Chains were such a lame mainstream metal band, had nothing to do with underground or alternative. Were only compared to Nirvana cause they are from Seattle.

It's just a general air about Jerry, he's somewhat arrogant about his huge dick. I find, most men with huge dicks are arrogant.

Guess he was nice to me, I was with a group of people, men and women, who knew the guitarist in another band which also played the benefit gig. Actress Gina Gershon was also performing with one of the bands, she was even joking about Jerry's big dick and this was while they were all on stage! Gina, got on her knees, then she bowed to Jerry's much worshiped dick. It was well known in certain rock circles that Jerry is hung.

I don't think AIC were lame at all. Their Unplugged record is excellent. I even told Jerry that, he said AIC got more fans when they did the unplugged record!

Who the fuck cares about labeling any music. Music should simply be enjoyed. I cannot stand when bands and singers must be labeled. Good music stands the test of time.

IMHO, Nirvana were one of the most overrated rock bands ever. Kurt couldn't sing for shit. I was glad to see that Dave Grohl was able to have success beyond Nirvana, he's an excellent musician. He's also got a great rep in music circles. He's a nice guy and an extremely dedicated musician.

R191 How was Kurt a bad singer? Unless you're only into technicality. He was great as both a punk singer and a pop singer. And his lyrics make band's like Pearl Jam or Alice in Chains look ridiculous. Like something taken out of an edgy teenager diary. Those bands took themselves too seriously. Especially Pearl Jam. Nothing sexy, unpredictable or dangerous about them. While Nirvana haid a great sense of self-irony. Dave Grohl is a great drummer, one of the best ever. But a singer and guitar player? Come on. Foo Fighters are a lame arena rock, budweiser commercial background music. He may be million times better at guitar than Cobain when it comes to technicality, but technicality don't mean shit in rock n roll. Some of the best bands were the ones where members barely knew how to play and some of the worst ones are the ones with technically skilled professional musicans that make soulless music

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"David crosby is reportedly an asshole."

Yes, of course he is. A woman he was involved with said he would come back from a tour and tell her all about the great sex he had while on the road. She would begin to cry and he would get angry and tell her "You're supposed to be happy for me!"

R 192, I'm not going to argue with you.

I'm entitled to my opinion that Kurt Cobain and Nirvana were extremely overrated. We also have have to thank Kurt for inflicting that no talent self-absorbed junkie Courtney Love on the world.

There are so many deserving talented and original musicians out there, people who have hustled for years for their big break, yet we get a tedious asshole like Courtney Love pushed on the music buying public. Most of 'her' early songs were likely written by Kurt. Where is her talent? All wrapped up in her being a tedious junkie and plastic surgery addict?

I wonder how trained actresses felt when Love essentially played a version of herself in that movie about Larry Flynt! Please do not bring up Cher wanting to act and becoming an Oscar winning actress, that a lot of singers do end up becoming good actors and actresses blah, blah, blah. Cher actually wanted to be an actress before Sonny turned her into a rock singer.

Someone upthread said I had shit for brains because I listen to Lou Reed.

Fuck you!

A friend did some graphic design work for David Byrne. Back and forth, back and forth, finally, he approved the design. My friend billed him and waited and waited. He called his "people" and was told "David doesn't pay for mistakes." My friend wrote it off. I said you should've told her "He doesn't pay for mistakes? I did for his last two albums."

That whole Factory scene around Warhol was so fucked up. You only have to read those bios on Warholstars.org. If one of their friends died of an overdose, suicide or otherwise tragically young, these people would just carry on as though nothing happened. That whole late 60s/early 70s scene was one big hurricane of glitter, heroin, hustlers, bad clothes, bad ethics and bad hygiene.

^had happened

In hindsight I think Nirvana were indeed overrated. Alt-rock bands like Stereolab, early Mercury Rev or even early Smashing Pumpkins were far more interesting.

That Trent Renzor story is not how the poster presented it. NIN and opening act Jim Rose Circus Sideshow and Marilyn Manson were partying hard on the Self Destruct Tour in 94. The Jim Rose guys dared groupies to take an enema and placed bets on who would go first. This was done to impress the other bands and for hedonistic clout. Either Mr. lifto (the Jim Rose performer who could lift bricks with his cock ring - how much fun...) or The Enigma (the fully tattooed performer) said he would eat the cereal bowl the groupies relieved their enemas into. Parts of this story are on film in music documentaries about the bands. Trent did however seriously fuck over Tori Amos by basically throwing her away after hooking up for a short time, and rumor has always been that she never really got over him. Another reason Tori hates Courtney Love - because Courtney had Trent for fun and Tori despised her for it and wrote negative songs about her. Essentially writing more of her weak ass lesbian-esque bullshit music like some injured fawn.

R201 you gotta be kidding me. Smashing Pumpkins were so lame and rockstars wannabes. So many people from thehe underground called them out on that. Kim Gordon, Steve Albini, Bob Mould. Nothing punk or alternative about them

Speaking of Smashing Pumpkins, Billy Corgan is one of the biggest douches of rock-'n'-roll

R201 must be deaf. BIlly Corgan's voice is trash. Like nails on chalk!

[quote]Someone upthread said I had shit for brains because I listen to Lou Reed. Fuck you!

It wasn't me. I've got to say, some people simply cannot separate a musician's art from their personal life. It's difficult to do, I try to appreciate the person's music and not get too involved with their personal shit. Unless they're a rabid homophobe, a racist, a misogynist or a ReThug, then I stop being fan.

[quote]Nothing punk or alternative about them

There you go labeling a band again...zzzz...

WHO CARES!

Billy Corgan is a ReThug, fuck him!

"Another reason Tori hates Courtney Love - because Courtney had Trent for fun and Tori despised her for it."

Courtney Love never "had" Trent Reznor. She They knew each other but they never fucked, according to him (I believe him). He was quoted as saying "I didn't want to be her boyfriend and now she harasses me." She used the same tactics she used with Kurt Cobain; barraged him with phone messages, wrote him, faxed him, laid siege to him. She tried to get into his hotel room; I heard he escaped through a window rather than see her. Really pissed that he would have none of her, she railed at him "Nine Inch Nails? More like Three Inch Nails!" She claimed to have fucked him but was "slumming." She also claimed to have been impregnated him; the fetus was supposedly aborted or miscarried. I'm no fan of Trent Reznor but I believe him when he said he didn't fuck her. He knew better than to get involved with someone as totally crazy as she is.

The usual suspects were already mentioned: Lou Reed, Van Morrison, Eric Clapton (fucking racist scumbag), Axl Rose. Liam Gallagher was not exactly a jerk, just really, really stupid. Damon Albarn (Blur) was a jerk, so was Pulp's Jarvis Cocker (I assume it was the drugs talking).

Speaking of the Smashing Pumpkins, my best friend's job was to procure drugs and prostitutes for them back in the 90s while they were on tour. The hookers were not for the guys, they were for D'arcy.

Courtney Love is trash and only trash people listen to her so called music.

Those twat brothers from Oasis.

R209 Courtney Love also claims she was knocked up by Edward Norton and miscarried that baby too.

At this point, it would probably be easier to just list he people who have not impregnated Courtney Love.

R213 Russell Crowe too

R202 Trent wrote Starfuckers Inc. about Manson and Love. I doubt Trent, even in the throes of coke addiction would go near Courtney Love with a 10 foot pole.

R204 That reminds me, I heard the tail-end of a radio interview with Billy Corgan and the interviewer referred to him as "WILLIAM Corgan." I guess we're supposed to call him that now, not Billy. 🙄

Hole opened for NIN in 95. And yes he and Courtney had their fling. This is around the time Courtney also got with Twiggy/Jeordie from Marilyn Manson. Trent has hated Courtney ever since that tour. And yes Trent hates that it happened. The only person he ended up hating more than Courtney was Brian/Marilyn Manson eventually. Trent was shooting heroin and strung out just as much as Courtney by the end of that 95 tour (and didn't get his shit together until the end of that decade). Twiggy/Jeordie has often joked about having Courtney around the time Trent had her. Most of these people deserved one another.

"And yes he and Courtney had their fling. This is around the time Courtney also got with Twiggy/Jeordie from Marilyn Manson. Trent has hated Courtney ever since that tour. And yes Trent hates that it happened. "

He has publicly stated that he did NOT fuck that skank. When told she said she was pregnant with his child he said "That would have been the second Immaculate Conception." He said he didn't fuck her and I believe him. I think she dearly wanted him to replace Kurt, but he didn't want her. She doesn't take rejection very easily, so she railed against him. Between the two, Reznor is definitely the more credible.

Courtney Love also at one time strongly implied that she was fucking Brad Pitt and that he gave her a big diamond ring. When questioned, a bewildered Pitt said "I've hung out with Courtney" but seemed to have no idea that she was saying they were in a "relationship." She is a pathological liar.

What's the story on Trent Reznor? Is he bisexual?

Based on rumors as well as confirmed stories, Axl Rose and Jimmy Page are definitely in the top 5 worst.

Dave Grohl legit seems like a good guy.

Reznor was a drugged out mess in the 90s. So it's at least theoretically possible he and Love took drugs and fucked and he blacked some or all of it out;

I re-watched The Last Waltz this summer (I hadn't seen it since my father - who was a big fan of all of those musicians) and kind of enjoyed it, but I made the mistake about reading about it afterward. I had no idea that The Band had such a contentious break-up. I guess I somehow missed the detail that Robbie Robertson and Martin Scorsese were holed up in some mansion for months high on coke and editing the film. Which apparently resulted in it being very Robertson-focused. I *also* didn't know that Robbie Robertson's MIC wasn't even plugged in, so the documentary constantly shows him singing into an unplugged mic... making him look like a "singer." I really didn't think The Band were not interesting until doing a bit of digging.

Anyway... I really like The Band's cover of Atlantic City (w/o Robbie Robertson, of course).

It's funny to hear Pamela Des Barres blather about what she thought was her great romance with Jimmy Page. She believed he was considering marrying her. She had (and still has) the mentality of a dipsy-doodle teenager. In her memoir "I'm With The Band", she said that a girl who was "seeing" the married Robert Plant told her that Plant said "You're the best thing Jimmy's found and he knows it!" Very junior high school, huh? At any rate their great love affair went bust when he dumped her for the 14 year old Lori Maddox. To this day Pamela Des Barres rehashes sexual encounters that happened decades ago and although she was nothing more than a convenient piece of ass for Page she still believes they were once two kids "in love" and that if she had to have her heart get broken it was wonderful to have it get broken by Jimmy Page. Dumb groupie.

I don't think of myself as a prude, but I just feel second hand embarrassment when I read about groupies for some reason. Good for them for getting so much good dick in their prime, though.

"So it's at least theoretically possible he and Love took drugs and fucked and he blacked some or all of it out."

I don't think that happened. I think the affair was a figment of Courtney Love's very active imagination.

"Good for them for getting so much good dick in their prime, though."

I wouldn't call it "good dick." Active dick maybe, since musicians are hounds. I wouldn't think that big rock stars are particularly good lovers. Their narcissism is too great.

R227 Good point!!

He said he didn't want to be her boyfriend, that doesn't mean they didn't fuck. I'm sure they did, at least once.

[quote]Ozzy Osbourne - tried to kill Sharon in a drug induced rage.

Nobody is gonna hold that against him.

What gets me about the Lindsey-Stevie arguments is that the Lindsey stans will dismiss everything bad about him, saying he was only bad on a few rare occasions and everyone with stories about him is lying, as if that's even plausible, then they call Stevie stans "dyke" and "lesbian" as insults.

They're obviously just a bunch of homophobic lying fans and I wish they'd go away. I'd like to have a real discussion about the whole Fleetwood Mac thing, not one that's 50% "fuck off fat dyke basic bitches."

R231 I'm not a Lindsey stan, I can just see past the "Lindsey was the only bad one" narrative that deluded Stevie sniffers constantly push. That manipulative cokehead is not and has never been a victim. She was the Courtney Love of the '70s.

R232. I disagree about Stevie being the Courtney Love of the '70s.

Stevie could sing.

R210 D'arcy is gay??

Also, I've heard for more than one person that Dave Grohl sleeps with groupies. So not that much of a nice guy after all

Any stories about Jimmy Page's black magic era? What a prize that guy is - little girls, serious drugs, and Alistair Crowley's house.

John Lennon's behavior was so strange, horrible, and irrational, that I've begun to wonder if he was that rare bird - a man with Borderline Personality Disorder.

God knows he was unstable enough, and lashed out at anyone who "abandoned" him viciously enough.

r236 I have always suspected Lou Reed was a borderline. Unstable sense of self and shifting identities across life, stormy relationships, abusiveness, drug and alcohol use, self-destruction.

Nikki Sixx. Thread closed.

Seriously, no greater waste of oxygen has ever walked the Holocene. He basically killed Vanity and then had the audacity to jeer at Prince about his sexuality, which is reason enough for gays to hate him, but then there’s every other fucking thing he’s ever done or said.

A few examples: Nikki once told a little preteen girl fan over a radio phone-in that he “likes 12-year olds, because their bones crack when you put it in.” He tried to guilt Vince Neil about the latter’s infant daughter dying of cancer, and then later told his own pregnant teenage daughter that she was a worthless slut and threw her out of his house. Then there’s all the people he endangered with his assaults, reckless driving, and recreational drug use as well as encouraging messed-up lonely poor kids without his money or systems of support to do these things too. He lied about being a heroin addict to sell a book to the tune of millions, and later exploited real addicts and homeless people for a photographic project he also sold for big profits. He cheats collaborators out of cash, and then slanders them in press. He’s the biggest corporate stooge, but has crafted this cynical image of an anarchistic rockstar to exonerate himself and boost his fragile incel little-boy ego. He makes his band mates Vince & Tommy Lee (both misogynistic, homophobic scum in their own right) look like relatively nice decent guys by comparison.

I’m not a violent, bitter or vengeful person by nature. I usually couldn’t care less about famous people in pop culture or what they do with their fame and fortune, but I would pay money (and I don’t have lint on my wall right now) for the chance to spend a few hours royally fucking Sixx up in an alleyway and spitting on him at intervals.

Speaking of Ted Nugent, he has been conspicuously silent for quite a while. At least I haven't heard of him running his mouth in a few years. I figured a right wing gun nut like him would be all over the airwaves during the age of Trump. I wonder if he finally went full nuts and he's being kept away from public view.

Nugent is still shilling for cash on Twitter so I think he's just not popular anymore.

Which one of you bitches wrote this title?

R31 I can’t even imagine Noni with Bono. That is such a weird, gross, incongruous thought.

R56 afaik Jim Kerr and Mark Knopfler are nice men, but I’m sure one of you hags will prove me wrong. I also think Bryan Adams is known to be very decent and sweet, but then he’s inoffensive pop-rock all the way anyhow.

Interested to hear gossip on any of the above!

^^^Meat Loaf is also said to be a nice man who treats women, gays and kids with respect, fwiw. An upstanding good old country boy type. Funny considering the kinds of things he sings about.

He’s a great storyteller. I could listen to him tell mildly amusing anecdotes all day.

Lou Reed was unbalanced from a relatively early age. He had a mental breakdown in college that resulted in him being administered electroshock therapy. All the dope and booze for many decades certainly didn't help his mental or emotional situation.

I think Lou Reed faked mental illness to a degree. If he’d really been seriously ill, he would’ve ended up like Syd Barrett from the Pink Floyd. Reed always seemed to go out of his way to be mean to people. He knew what he was doing.

I agree r246. He was smart enough to hide his alcoholism, more or less, for decades.

I liked the Pumpkins because they weren’t the umpteenth alt-rock band to be influenced by punk rock. The whole punk rock movement seemed very doctrinarian to me; they were to rock music what serial composers were to contemporary classical music. The Pumpkins seemed like an intriguing mix of classic rock, prog and alternative and had a somewhat mysterious image. I only liked their first two/three albums though,

Not a jerk, but why did Phil Lynott die so young? He was the songwriter of Thin Lizzy, wrote heaps of fantastic songs. First Irish Black rock star, good looking, charismatic, charming.

He had it all

Noni with Bono would be a bony no-no.

R245 His parents forced him into shock therapy to cure his bisexuality

I don't being mentally ill and being a jerk are mutually exclusive.

Lou Reed was both.

"He said he didn't want to be her boyfriend, that doesn't mean they didn't fuck. I'm sure they did, at least once."

What makes you so sure? Since Courtney Love is such a psycho, such such a pathological liar, I believe Reznor. I don't think he wanted her and yeah he did drugs but I don't think he ever got so stoned he was willing to fuck Courtney Love.

I sometimes wonder if there was some odd S&M element of the Lou Reed/Laurie Anderson pairing. They were both a bit off. It might explain her unyielding devotion to him.

[R231] It's clear that the DL faction that's seething with misandry (and there are A LOT of them) looks for any chance to condemn men, which manifests itself by often making absurd, unsubstantiated claims about male celebrities, Lindsey included. This is a man who's been with the same woman for 33 years and has raised three attractive, fully-functional children who obviously love him. Lindsey is very close with his family and has written lovingly about them on his records. He often expresses gratefulness for his family in interviews and talks of how lucky he was to have a family late in life when he least expected it. The only person in Fleetwood Mac who has a problem with Lindsey Buckingham is, not surprisingly, Stevie Nicks, who in contrast to Lindsey is a deluded basket case.

[R231] A good deal of the catalogue Stevie Nicks just sold for $100 million is worth as much as it is due to Lindsey, who never shared credit with Nicks when he could have. But DL likes the narrative that he's a monster. Apparently a generous monster.

Why are R255 and R256 on my "ignore" list?

Ah, that's why.

[R257] Because you're the fat dyke with the goat-hair macrame icon of Stevie painted over with nail polish and topped off with a Dream Catcher.

[quote] why did Phil Lynott die so young?

Heroin.

[quote]The only person in Fleetwood Mac who has a problem with Lindsey Buckingham is, not surprisingly, Stevie Nicks, who in contrast to Lindsey is a deluded basket case.

Completely untrue. The rest of the band has despised him since he joined the band and began telling them how to play their parts. John McVie said he wasn't in the band to be treated like a session player by the new guy.

They witnessed his meltdowns, which included physical attacks, and not just on Stevie. In one of them, he began strangling their producer Ken Caillat. This is probably why they were famously unconcerned when Lindsey had a seizure and collapsed backstage. Lindsey's girlfriend at that time - who, like at least two others besides Nicks, had also been attacked by Lindsey - was still stunned that none of the rest of the band seemed to care what had happened to Lindsey. They were fed up with him, that's why.

They recognized that Buckingham's obsessive work in the studio paid off when they were making records, but that didn't make them like him. They tolerated him and made nice with him for the benefit of having him produce their work. Now that they're no longer making records, they don't have to put up with his shit anymore. And reports are the last tour, without Lindsey, was much less stressful and more enjoyable for the group.

And don't forget: Lindsey quit the band previously, AND tried to block Christine's return to the band, because he didn't want the tour profits changing from a four-way split back to a five-way split. He got outvoted on that one. But why defend a guy who tried to keep one of the iconic members from returning?

Lars Ullrich from Metallica is an egomaniacal asshole of epic proportions. I've seen interviews where he trashes other musicians. My brother is a talented drummer. He's met many famous rock stars and always talks to the drummers in the bands if he gets a chance. Most of them he's talked to single out Lars Ullrich as the biggest douchebag in the business. He's really just a spoiled suburbanite kid who developed a massive ego. He's condescending to everyone. I'm surprised no one has mentioned him.

So R261 how come Lindsey and Christine made an album together if they hate each other?

I think Phil Lynott was doing every drug he could get his hands on. Cocaine, heroin, booze, you name it. He got hepatitis from dirty needles during the height of the band's success.

His mother refused to marry his father, a guy from Guyana, she had 2 other kids from 2 other guys but gave them up for adoption.

Lynott was a bit of a contradiction, very softspoken sensitive guy who wrote poetry books and all the lyrics and music for Thin Lizzy's greatest hits. But on stage he was this super sexy animal who could get all the girls into his dressing room after the show. Great Live band, they were better on stage than in the studio. I wonder how they would have progressed if Lynott had lived.

I always thought he was a fascinating guy.

R261 John punched the director of the Hold Me video and was constantly drunk. He also threw an axe at Christine. Christine enjoys dressing in blackface. Stevie was a mean spirited cokehead who had a taste for homewreking and she has a history of racist behavior. She is also the one who threw punches first in 1987. Mick lived on a daily diet of cocaine for 20 years and doesn't like to pay fair wages. Your singular obsession with trying to prove that Lindsey Buckingham is the only fucked up in Fleetwood Mac is stupid. It's always the dumb fraus trying to paint Stevie Nicks as some kind of saint.

R261 Lindsey was the one who wanted Christine back. He chased her car down after The Dance and tried to beg her not to leave. Mick and Stevie were the ones who tried to replace Christine with Sheryl Crowe in the 2000s. Mick finally convinced Christine, who has a fear of flying, to come back in 2013-2014. Stevie pretended to be happy with Christine's return ( which she had no part in) and then acted indignant when Christine was ready to go in the studio Stevie lies A LOT in order to peddle her agenda. I don't know where you're getting your information, but you seem to not be well informed.

Wow. Frank Sinatra was right about rock ‘n’ roll and this thread is the proof of it.

Why did rock and roll stars act like such assholes? Because they can. It's almost expected of them.

Lou Reed has a LOT of awful stuff, but this cover is very good. This song suits him:

R267 Right, because Sinatra himself was a paragon of virtue...

He outlived Brian Jones by almost three decades.

Sinatra was as awful as any rock star. He was a real creep.

Bah.

I have a couple of questions, especially for those that know or work in the industry. How do these people get away with mistreating people, especially physically? Do any of you know any stories about rock stars acting like assholes and mistreating people and getting their asses kicked for it? How do they get people to work for them?

Sinatra was buddy-buddy with mobsters. Murderers. He liked people like that. He thought hanging out with them was "cool." If a friend had some trouble he offered to use his "influence", that is, his mob connections, to help the friend out. I think mobsters probably enjoyed being friends with a major celebrity like Sinatra, although one mobster said Sinatra had a lot of talent but "no class."

I was waiting for when someone would mention SInatra's mob ties.

[quote] NOTORIOUS ROCK AND ROLL JERKS

Arlo Guthrie. Notorious litterbug

[quote] Sinatra was buddy-buddy with mobsters. Murderers. He liked people like that. He thought hanging out with them was "cool."

Just like rappers.

Couldn't agree more R192. Kurt's scream is the single best in the history of rock. It's incredibly unique and is teeming with emotion. Who cares if he didn't have a four octave voice? I'll listen to Whitney if I want to hear vocal gymnastics.

Wasn't there some gossip that Frank Sinatra raped Patty Duke when she was dating his son?

Yeah, sure the screeching white boy is "full of emotion" but a black woman with a wide vocal range, even if she wasted it on subpar material, is "vocal gymnastics." That's not just racist, that's homophobic since she was probably a lesbian.

R281 what the fuck are you talking about?

John Lennon bitched on about not being "discovered" when he was a kid, he felt that his talent was so remarkable that he should have been given as many opportunities early on. Imagine being that delusional.

Um r283, he happened to be right.

The man was a musical genius.

Someone I know did Elvis back in the day. She tells me had zits on his ass.

Now you know why Petula Clark and Karen Carpenter turned down a three-way with him, R285.

R285 How does that makes him a jerk?

It makes him a slob, not a jerk.

R262. I've heard through the grapevine(certain touring musicians, but not Brett Tuggle) that Christine is done with Fleetwood Mac. She was not happy with the Lindsey firing. So there goes your little bullshit fantasy story about everyone hating Lindsey.

I’ve discovered I am completely enmeshed in Dunning/Kruger effect.

R261 That bullshit about no one caring about Lindsey's epilepsy is fabricated nonsense. If you haven't noticed, Carol Ann has a big chip on her shoulder regarding Stevie and how "actually I was the one who really cared about Lindsey, not Stevie". There is audio and video evidence that proves otherwise. Also I'm surprised you take everything Carole Ann says at face value when she doesn't paint Stevie in a good light in her book either. She was clearly very jealous of Stevie.

Rock 'n' roll was invented so whites could listen to "Black music" without actually listening to Black musicians.

R292, I agree up to a point. Elvis and The British invasion was definitely that. White Americans needed to rockabilly from Elvis and blues from British people. But Chuck Berry was the first person inducted in the RRHoF and Jimmy Hendrix in considered the best rock guitarist by a huge margin.

Not a jerk, but I've heard that Gwen Stefani is ridiculously stupid, like Jessica Simpson on steroids. I think she might have a learning disability.

R281 my god you're an idiot. I love Kurt. And guess what? I love Whitney. Two of my favorites. Please try being a better dolt. I believe in you.

R281 You are a fucking imbecile.

"Steve Riley, you fucking thieving motherfucker."

--Tracii Guns

It’s obvious that the rest of the Talking Heads were instrumental in their success and not just Byrne. Tom Tom Club were able to score a couple of massive hits, Byrne never did solo.

R298. Talking Heads, Smashing Pumpkins, and Fleetwood Mac all suffered from the same problem: egocentric credit hogging front (wo)men.

R299 that's LSD--Lead Singer Disease. A common and notorious affliction.

R300 There's a joke in the music business about lead singers:

What does the lead singer's girlfriend do with her pussy three days a week?

She drops him off at band practice.

I have a feeling that 2021 will be see a lot of deaths amongst aging boomer rock stars.

I’m surprised Keith Richards keeps going.

Who was the poster who kept insisting that Paul McCartney would bite it in 2020?

He's still alive so SUCK IT YOU LOSER!!!!!!

Keith seems to be OK last week, he wished everyone a happy new year on social media.

I think Keith Richards and David Crosby will probably live until their mid-80s, at least.

My grandmother smoked a pack a day and drank 3-4 glasses of Scotch a day for over 70 years and she died peacefully in her sleep at 93 with a glass of Scotch in her still hand. I have a feeling it will be the same for Keith.

R299, how many front persons (or lead singers) can you name, who aren't credit hogging and egocentric? Credit grasping and egocmania are normal for the big-time popular music industry!

Although, of course, some take it to a level that makes them stand out from their peers, like Byrne.

R308 Michael Stipe is notoriously humble (at least when it comes to his band mates). Although Bono is a dickhead he doesn't pretend that he is the band. Like U2 and REM, Muse and Coldplay share the credit around. There are plenty of humble front men, you just don't hear about them as much. Billy Corgan has got to be the absolute worst though.

Billy Corgan can't sing either.

A front man who can't even sing?

Fleetwood Mac in their Halloween costumes.

Courtney Love punched Kathleen Hannah in the face.

[R289] Christine wasn't consulted before they fired Lindsey, which must have seemed like quite a slap in the face to her. In days past all 5 members supposedly had an equal share in the band, which included decision-making powers. If you forfeited your vote by not participating that was one thing, but this was Stevie forcing her hand and bullying Mick into going along with her, or else. The McVies weren't a part of the firing. Not exactly in the spirt of a collaboration. Unfortunately, Mick lives his life like a geriatric teenager with persistent money problems and wasn't in a position to exercise integrity. They should have just called off the tour and avoided the embarrassing travesty that followed. Stevie Nicks permanently damaged the band, its reputation and its legacy.

[R289] Maybe Christine's position has something to do with Mick recently re-connecting with Lindsey. Mick can do without one of his star singer/songwriters on tour but not two of them, including Stevie Nicks.

Ozzy Osbourne told Brian Wilson that he was glad Dennis Wilson was dead at a party not too long after Dennis died.

phil spector, he dint pay his singers and tied them up in litigtion for decades !!!! murderer !!!!

god bless ronnie spector and darlene love !!!

Freddie Mercury was a nice guy according to his last partner. When he was diagnosed with AIDS he offered him a way out and asked what he could do for him but his partner didn't leave. He also left 25% of his fortune to his parents and 25% to his sister, none of who saw him in the last 2 years of his life. Apparently, several men in his home had AIDS and he left them half a million pounds so they would have somewhere to die in peace. Elton John and his bandmates and their wives said he was sweet, shy and modest off stage. His only girlfriend described him as a thoroughly decent human being who was open and honest with her.

Does anyone have any good gossip about Jim Morrison?

"Does anyone have any good gossip about Jim Morrison?"

Here are some facts about him:

His father was a a United States Navy rear admiral and naval aviator I can only imagine how appalled he was at his son's antics.

For a time he did LSD a lot, and ate it "like candy."

He wasn't into drugs as much as alcohol. He was a notorious, loutish drunk and would perform while blotto.

Since he was such a hard core drunk I doubt he was much as a lover, but it was said that he really liked sodomizing women. He was also physically abusive to them, knocking them around, treating them like shit.

He preferred redheads. Pamela Courson, a very cute redhead, was his closest companion and has been called his common law wife. She was as reckless as he was; he liked to say to girls he was with things like "let's drive off this cliff" and in Pamela he found someone who actually WOULD. She was a heavy drug user, doing stuff like thorazine and heroin. They were together in Paris when he died; supposedly he got into her heroin stash and that's how he died. of a heroin overdose. She died a few years after he did; she was 27, the same age he was when he died.

He was very intelligent but it didn't matter since he was such a jerk. He'd pee on carpets and in people's drinks. He had a kind of anger fit onstage and supposedly exposed his dick to the audience. It's unclear what happened but he was arrested and convicted of indecent exposure and sentenced to a jail term. He was out on bond while the conviction was appealed and died a few months later.

He seemed to suffer from clinical depression and seemed to know he'd die young. After Jimi Hendrix and Janis Joplin died he told some friends "You're drinking with Number 3."

Ronstadt dissed him big time in her memoir. Something along the lines of, the first time she saw The Doors in the Sixties, she thought to herself, this'd be a decent band if they got rid of their lead singer.

R320 Morrison was one of those musicians who's talent became vastly overrated by the public following their death. Ray Manzarek and Robby Kreiger were the real talents in The Doors, but they couldn't go on without their charismatic front man.

Morrison only owned on pair of trousers - a pair of tight black leather pants, which he wore all the time. I read this in his biography "No One Here Gets Out Alive". According to the author, by the time of his death, they were stiff with filth.

No one's mentioned the album Berlin? One of many Lou Reed asshole moves.

He basically made an album that exploited his ex-wife's life, including her traumatic childhood and his own physical abuse of her.

Wish I died at 27

R323 Berlin is one of my favorite albums. Listened to it just yesterday. Side B is the most depressing piece of music ever recorded. It's a conceptual album about two people. Just because the guy is an asshole and a chauvinist, doesn't mean Lou was. It's not from his perspective.

Um. r325 Lou Reed is one of the most notorious rock and roll jerks of all time. Berlin is but one example of many.

Whenever Lou Reed pops up on the DL, there are always posts that fiercely defend him.

Makes me wonder ... did Laurie Anderson find DataLounge??

R326 He might have been. Doesn't change the fact that Berlin is a phenomenal album.

He was physically abusive and an asshole who mistreated nearly everyone in his personal orbit.

No "might have been" about it.

In my experience, there are few people whose assholery can be excused on account of their genius. Lou Reed is nowhere near that league.

Ok. He was physically abusive and an asshole who mistreated nearly everyone in his personal orbit. Berlin is a phenomenal record. Better now?

I honestly don't get the defensiveness of Lou Reed supporters. He had decent albums with a few decent songs (New York is my favorite). But his ego FAR exceeded his talent.

[quote] Side B is the most depressing piece of music ever recorded.

Does that list include Madonna's latest album?

I met Billy Joel backstage at an awards show. Super nice, down-to-earth and unpretentious. Honestly, I thought he was arguably the nicest of all the celebs I met that night (and there were many).

I used to know many people who worked crew for a lot of top bands and artists. Invariably, they would tell me The Rolling Stones were their favorite. Why? Because they were treated very well by the Stones.

R331 A decent album with a few decent songs? Every The Velvet Underground, with him as a member, is considered a classic and some of the best rock'n'roll albums of all time

Hi Laurie/r334

R321 Joan Didion basically says the same thing in The White Album.

Don Henley's got a mere slap on the wrist for this.

ooop I'm stoopid.

R333 I love hearing that (about both of them, but especially Billy Joel, which I wouldn’t necessarily expect).

Thanks. I also met Russell Simmons from that same awards show and was very impressed with how nice he was too. This was before all the MeToo allegations about him surfaced.

OMG at r311s post!!

Simon and Garfunkel were way before my time (though I love their music). I’ve heard from a friend who works in the industry in LA that Paul Simon was/ is an asshole, with plenty of stories about him being an asshole to more than confirm his reputation. Apparently if you’re not deemed important enough he wouldn’t even acknowledge you even after you greet him, he’d just look past you like you’re not even there. This is on top of his reputation for huge ego and for stealing from other musical collaborators by grafting their original works onto his, something that is well-known in the music industry. Even his work as part of S&G, he downplayed Garfunkel’s role in arranging and producing many of the songs. Many of those who’d interacted with both invariably say that Simon was the less well-adjusted of the two, more than a touch of Napoleon syndrome.

I knew Paul Simon in the 80's and he was a total jerk, as was his horrible eldest son.

R342 Garfunkel also has a much better voice.

John Lennon is reputed to have been a flaming prick. Supposedly, he was partying at a club in LA during the ‘70s and, at some point, stuck a Kotex pad to his forehead, where it remained for the rest of the evening. Apparently feeling that the cocktail waitress was being dismissive of his greatness, he asked, “Don’t you know who I am?”, and she responded, “Yeah, you’re some asshole with a Kotex stuck to his face.”

R345 was it extra absorbent? Perhaps he was having a heavy-flow day.

"John Lennon is reputed to have been a flaming prick. "

"Reputed to be?" He WAS. When he was killed, I grieved his death. But considering what a dick he was I feel silly for doing it. His death proved the final end to the Beatles; that was the only reason to feel bad about his demise. He and Yoko Ono were quite a pair of creeps. Both were truly awful human beings. I hear Yoko is not doing well. I suppose she'll leave her vast fortune (which was really John's fortune) to Sean Lennon and her daughter Kyoko. Julian Lennon will likely get stiffed AGAIN. John left everything to Yoko; after his death Julian had to settle for whatever crumbs Yoko was willing to dole out to him.

Where’s Magdalena these days? She always had the best vintage rockstar dirt.

Now that it’s the fortieth anniversary of Crüe, aka Days to Hate the Right People, I’m craving some horror stories about those assholes Tommy & Nikki.

Those who do the sound and lights for tours and one-off shows relate that Don Henley is an arrogant, tiresome asshole.

^^^ Not to mention a child molester . . .

Stevie Nicks always brags about "going out with Don Henley." I don't think that's anything to brag about. Stevie is an idiot.

R351. Screwing one Eagle wasn't enough so she banged Joe Walsh as well.

It wouldn't surprise me if Don Henley turned out to be a serial killer on the down low. He gave off such a dark "vibe" in the Eagles documentary from a few years back.

Despite the fact that he was with underage hookers who overdosed at his house, Henley saw himself as the victim in all of it which was partially the inspiration for "Dirty Laundry". Also the press coverage of the deaths of John Belushi and Natalie Wood.

That being said, I still love the song.

R353 You know, ‘Boys Of Summer’ has always felt menacing more than nostalgic to me. There’s something eerie and sinister, threatening and stalker-like in it to my ears. Maybe that’s why.

Stretching the definition of 'rock' and answering somewhat tongue-in-cheek: Harry Judd (the drummer of the poprock band McFly).

Acting like an arrogant and cockteasing mean-bitch is sort of his gimmick. No-one really takes him seriously when he behaves this way.

Rod Morgenstern (drummer from Winger) is a kind, humble person from a lovely family.

Seymour Stein (Madonna’s manager) enjoyed antique shopping and often frequented Brimfield. He was thoughtful enough to remember to bring a signed autograph he had promised my father the year before for me in the mid-eighties. (I was not a fan and reacted in an ungrateful teenage manner.)

R353 he’s taking a lot of secrets to his grave, let’s put it that way.

I’ve seen all those docs too (whatever one thinks of the Eagles music, their BTS bios are always really good), I don’t think I’ve ever seen a public figure keep things so close to the best as he does.

R358 I never got the fuss about Don Henley. He was average looking and has never not been an asshole.

R358 I felt a bit ashamed after watching History of the Eagles, I felt encouraged to listen to more of their music. I totally get why they get shit and why people can't stand them, but I just love a good harmony! It's my weakness.

My Zennial sister has a shame-crush on Glenn Frey lmao

R361 does she not realize that he's been dead for 4 years?

R362 she knows haha. It’s kind of like how a lot of young girls who were only just born in the ‘90s have crushes on Kurt Cobain, who died when they were in kindergarten. Or how younger people of now admire and crush on Elvis.

R363 My mom is obsessed with Jim Morrison. He died when she was in the third grade. My sister loves Alain Delon, and he's been old and ugly as long as she's been alive.

Happy belated 60th to that blond bitch Vinnie Neil ;)

Brett Michaels seems like a good guy.

John Phillips was deranged - in his autobiography, which is tawdry and juicy, he opens with Mick Jagger and Jerry Hall confiscating his children for a weekend because he tried to set fire to his house in a drunken stupor.

Eddie Van Halen...then he died. F him!

Tell me more about Van Halen...

Everyone (Stevie fangirls) always leave out that Stevie threw a steel chair at Christine.

[R370] Huh? Are you joking? Please elaborate. Here's an amusing and revealing clip of Stevie and Christine - obviously both very high/drunk - attempting to spit out a tribute to the Warner Bros. label on its "birthday" (blech). While they're obviously chummy, it's easy to see how physical Stevie gets and how her tendency to hit and slip could escalate under different circumstances.

R371 According to Billy Burnette Stevie chucked a steel chair at Christine. She was on klonopin and that tour probably should have never happened.

R371 Here's the source

A few more gems:

[quote]Stevie's hot. I loved playing music with her, she's fun. heck of a temper though.... [quote]Stevie is one of my great friends. She's as magical on stage as she is off, just don't tick her off LOL [quote]When Stevie "wants somethin, she get's it" LOL! We never dated or anything, but she was.... affectionate

[R371] Wow - thanks for the corroborating info. Stevie is more of a hot mess than even I thought.

[quote] She's as magical on stage as she is off, just don't tick her off LOL [quote]When Stevie "wants somethin, she get's it"

What is “magical” and “fun” about being a rude, entitled, bipolar mess who bullies others around her, sometimes physically?

These rock journeyman are such simps.

R376 Birds of a feather. You aren't a member of Fleetwood Mac unless you're a hot mess yourself.

I was huge Fleetwood Mac fan until Stevie and Lindsay came on board. Her nasal vocals make my ears bleed.

How is it no one has mentioned Eminem, homophobe extraordinare and probably a lot more?

The Rolling Stones...where do I begin?

Brian Jones was a disintegrating mess from early on, who viciously beat all his girlfriends.

Bill Wyman began dating Mandy Smith when she was 13, whom he married when she turned 18. Her mother ended up marrying Bill's son.

As noted in the other thread on evil celebs, Keith Richards and Mick Jagger stole writing credits from MANY, including their guitarist Mick Taylor, who left for that reason. While the Stones got richer and richer off Mick's work, Mick Taylor was so impoverished he couldn't afford to see a dentist.

Keith abandoned his best friend and drug partner of many years with a raging heroin habit he had no money to support. Keith and Ronnie Wood asked the devoted young publisher of their fanzine to receive drugs for them in Japan, where I think you get life imprisonment if caught.

As mentioned, three of Mick's long term r'ships attempted suicide, one of whom, L'Wren Scott, succeeded. I was surprised to read that L'Wren was considered difficult, because she was much liked. He is said to have slept with 8000 women. He carried on an 8 year affair with Carla Bruni which included jetting off to Thailand after his defacto wife had just given birth. The mother of his first child had to take him to court to get child support.

John Cougar Mellencamp seems like a nice family guy, but he screams repuke. I presume him to be a raging Trump supporter. I'm amazed that Springsteen is a Democrat. He looks like a classic blue collar deplorable.

Chuck Berry was a raging scat queen who had cameras set up in the bathroom of his restaurant so he could watch women on the toilet. He liked to have women shit in buckets. God knows what else...

R378. Well then you'd hate her solo. Stevie Nicks was tolerable in Fleetwood Mac but her solo music is tacky and she turns the goat up to 11.

How could Jim Morrison have had only one pair of pants? He had gained about 100 lb by the time he died.

r379, they have free dental in UK

R381 That's very rock-'n'-roll

Can you stop talking about fucking Fleetwood Mac and The Eagles?

R383 Leather is surprisingly malleable once it's worn in.

[quote]‘ [Heather] asked [Sir Paul] if he had been smoking marijuana. He became very angry, yelled at her, grabbed her neck and started choking her.’

Well if he got that angry, apparently he wasn't stoned.

Brian Jones had four illegitimate children by the time he was 20.

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R379 Mick Taylor was the best thing to ever happen to the Stones.

Keith Richards is sometimes blamed for the demise of his bosom buddy Gram Parsons. I don't think he can rightly be blamed for Parson's death (he OD'd naturally, on morphine and alcohol) but it probably didn't do Parsons, who was really fucked up, any good to have a close friend who could provide for him an unlimited supply of cocaine and heroin. Parsons was thrilled to be in close proximity with the Roling Stones. He and his blonde teenage girlfriend (later his wife) lived with Richards and Anita Pallenberg at Nellcote, a French villa where the Stones were staying while they recorded "Exile on Main Street." Gram Parsons taught Keith Richards everything he knew about country music; his influence can be heard in songs like "Sweet Virginia" and later, "Dead Flowers." After a time he and his girlfriend were asked to leave; Parsons was so fucked up on drugs they thought he might die on the premises. He did die, at Joshua Tree Inn, when he was 26.

The relationship between Richards and Parsons was really bizarre. Mick Jagger was jealous of it. They became so enthralled with each other that it was scary. People who saw them said it was like they were TURNING INTO each other. Richards started wearing Western belt buckles and Nudie outfits; Parsons began wearing silk scarves and mascara. The groupie Miss Mercy said "Gram was just like Keith and Keith was just like Gram. The switched accents and they switched clothes. Gram was running around stage with his wrist flapping and acting so odd that people would roll their eyes up in their head. We were like "Oh God, this is frightening what's happening to this poor guy."

Parsons and Richards were 'inseparable" for a while and boy, it was weird. Did they ever fuck each other? Who knows? They were both hard core druggies and when you get that high you'll fuck anything. At any rate, Parson's relationship with Richards didn't do anything for him, except to make him get even more drug dependent than he already was. Richards, on the other hand, got some good songs out of his association with Parsons. And he survived. So I guess Richards came out the winner.

Gram Parsons was a mess. He would have died from drugs and alcohol regardless. Richards maybe expedited the process a bit.

I was once on a plane with low Reed. he was flying coach. He did nothing but complain the entire 5 hour trip. When I got home I threw out his albums.

R395, Where were you flying to?

Seriously, what's this about Eddie Van Halen being a jerk?

Don Henley might be the worst one. Look up what he did in 1980. It wasn't the first incident either. Then he had the audacity to write an album complaining about it.

Nico was a Nazi and she stabbed a black woman in the eye socket with a broken wine glass.

[quote]Still, there's no doubt talk of her dark side is accurate. When Danny Fields describes her as "Nazi-esque", he's not affectionately referring to her regal, demanding personality, but to her racism. "Every once in a while there'd be something about Jews and I'd be, 'But Nico, I'm Jewish,' and she was like 'Yes, yes, I don't mean you.' She had a definite Nordic Aryan streak, [the belief] that she was physically, spiritually and creatively superior." Worse, on one occasion, she acted those beliefs out, explosively. In the restaurant at the Chelsea Hotel sometime in the very early 1970s, Nico sat with a bunch of musicians, among them a beautiful mixed-race singer who'd worked with Jimi Hendrix. According to Fields, "Nico was, I dunno, feeling neglected, or drunk, but suddenly she said 'I hate black people,' and smashed a wineglass on the table and stuck it in the girl's eye. There was lots of blood and screaming. Fortunately she just twisted it around her eye socket, so the glass never reached [the eye] but it's not like she was being cautious." Fields claims the Warhol crowd spirited Nico on to a plane and out of the country the next morning, while somehow managing to placate the victim and hush up the affair.

Lou looks like he's ready to stab someone in this interview.

[quote]R29 Ozzy Osbourne - tried to kill Sharon in a drug induced rage.

I guess he could tolerate her racism no longer?

I had totally forgotten Laurie Anderson dated Peter Gabriel briefly in the 80s. (I think they dated, right?)

During quarantine I started browsing the Steve Hoffman forums every so often and let me tell you, straight men prove they are bitchier than DLers when someone dislikes The Beatles. Anyway, I always get a kick out of reading how David Crosby and Graham Nash *still* hate each other. Roger McGuinn also makes bitchy digs at David Crosby now and then, too.

R403 A woman I know is a superfan of The Kinks. She told me that many times when she tells straight guys they're her favorite band, they will immediately tell her how The Beatles are the superior British invasion band.

R403. Those old, straight, white boomers absolutely foam at the mouth over the fact that that zoomers like "Here Comes the Sun" more than "Hey Jude". There are multiple threads about it.

Born ‘93, British, and I have always thought the Beatles fucking suck.

Living through the hipster fad for them in the mid-late 2000s was fresh hell. I’m so glad they’re over now, and that everyone is seeing through the smoke and mirrors.

The ostensibly straight guys at the Steve Hoffman forums would absolutely sink to their knees and open their mouths to receive Sir Paul McCartney's dick within a nanosecond of being asked to.

R406 Like The Beatles, Fleetwood Mac needs to go away again. We went from '60s boomer nostalgia with The Beatles in the 2000s and then '70s boomer nostalgia with Fleetwood Mac in the 2010s. Nostalgia just needs to die. No one seems to have new ideas.

I apologize if this was already mentioned, as my phone keeps freezing as I scroll through the thread, but Kurt Cobain claimed that Eddie Van Halen called Pat Smear a, “n*gger”. I think that the actual quote was something along the lines of, “Let me play the nigger’s guitar, or Mexican. Whatever he is.”.......charming.

R406 they’re over now? The fuck are you talking about? They are still the most popular band in the world and probably always will be

R409 I don't give a fuck about EVH but I wouldn't believe anything Charles R Cross says. He's Courtney's lap dog. He painted her as a saint in Cobain's biography. Never once mentioned his well documented plan to divorce her before he died.

R406 Hey Everybody, look how edgy I am!

R405 Oh, seriously. It's a bitchier forum than DL and Lipstick Alley combined. I thought you were joking, but there really IS a SIXTY-PAGE thread whining about "Here Comes the Sun" being the most streamed song by the Beatles over "Hey Jude." I'm settling in for a read, thank you!

R409 The mention of Pat Smear reminds me, does anyone remember the Foo Fighters supporting some insane charity that was "critical" of HIV/AIDs?? No one ever mentions it, but I still remember.

R413 Maybe youths like it because it hasn't been played a zillion times on radio like Hey Jude?

R414 Pretty much. I much prefer a hopeful song with a nice melody over the overplayed Hey Jude.

Why are fans of The Beatles so histrionic?

Niall Hogran

Lewis Fataldi

r406 is a superfan of BTS.

r414, that's because it was never a single.

but you millennials wouldn't know that, would you?

[quote]The multimillion-album-selling alternative rock outfit has thrown its weight behind Alive and Well, an “alternative AIDS information group” that denies any link between HIV and AIDS. In January, Foo Fighters bassist Nate Mendel helped organize a sold-out concert in Hollywood to benefit the group. Foo fans were treated to a speech by Alive and Well founder Christine Maggiore, who believes AIDS may be caused by HIV-related medications, anal sex, stress, and drug use, and implies that people should not get tested for HIV nor take medications to counter the virus. Free copies of Maggiore’s self-published book, “What If Everything You Thought You Knew About AIDS Was Wrong?,” in which she declares “there is no proof that HIV causes AIDS,” were also passed out to the concert-goers.

Also, Taylor Hawkins is an anti-vaxxer,

I agree r406 the Beatles are overrated. They’re like the Boomers version of Sun 41. Sure they wrote their own songs...their own shitty song. A boy band who can play a few chords. And John Lennon was a piece of shit. I’m glad he’s dead.

R417 hardly. Now if you want to talk obscure visual-kei or Chinese neoclassical fusion jazz, then hme...

Funny how some people struggle and strive to paint anyone with developed, wide, and controversial tastes as a clueles elitist desperate to look cool. Some people just don’t want to be spoonfed bland shitty radio pop; it’s not a crime.

The Beatles...a boy band?

Just no.

[quote] I’m glad he’s dead.

R420=Big Mand

R49 It's all in Mick Fleetwood's autobiography and Storms the autobio of Carol Ann Harris.

Lindsey's a fucking violent douche - he almost strangled Carol Ann to death in front of Mick's then wife who was part of the inspiration for Sarah.

I'm not the person who posted above, just defending them because I've read both books.

Not a Stevie stan, she's probably a handful, but Lindsey's abuse is part of public record.

R424 Lindsey, Stevie, and John all threw punches, threw shit, and and we're total cunts, but for some reason only Lindsey's shit is pathologized. John chased Christine around with an axe, Stevie threw a chair at Christine, started multiple fights with Lindsey. Even their tour manager strangled Richard Dashut. Of course Mick to some degree protects John and Stevie, first because John and him go way back and second because Stevie is the money maker. I believe that Lindsey was a cunt to Carol Ann but she's not the angel she portals herself in the book. Sara Rancor has said that she once beat the crap out of Dennis Wilson in Hawaii. It seems that violence was pretty fucking common in that group and it's hypocritical to single out one person.

Also if we're going to believe everything a bitter ex says about a rock star the why the fuck does no one take Heather Mills seriously but takes Carole Ann at her word?

For the record:

R425 yikes. And you all mock Millennial emos. At least we grow out of beefs in good time...

Oh come on r425, you and I both know that Heather Mills doesn't have a leg to stand on.

"The Beatles are overrated. They’re like the Boomers version of Sun 41. Sure they wrote their own songs...their own shitty song. A boy band who can play a few chords. And John Lennon was a piece of shit. I’m glad he’s dead."

I guess you're a troll trying to stir shit. Or a retard. Fuck off.

Paul McCartney.

Get over it r429 not everyone likes the Beatles. You sound like a deranged groupie.

The Steve Hoffman forums are even more deranged than DL.

R431, you sound like the idiot at R420. Whatever can be said about the Beatles they were not "overrated' and not "shitty." Anyone who says so is just plain witless.

I hate the Beatles because they have been overplayed and overrated. I am not witless.

"I hate the Beatles because they have been overplayed and overrated. I am not witless."

Well, I guess you just wouldn't know good music if it bit you on the ass, then. The Beatles made lots of it. That's one reason their music gets played a lot; people like it, because it's GOOD. They are not '"overrated." You just don't know anything about good music.

The Beatles being overrated would be a valid argument if you can list songs by people you deem not overrated and let's see if they made historical recordings like Strawberry Fields, Tomorrow Never Know, A Day In the Life, I Am The Walrus, Hey Jude, all of the White Album, all of Abbey Road. Start listing! You can do it.......

Boomers and the Beatles...

R437, where's your list?

[quote] Jack White/Josh Homme/Axl Rose/Billy Corgan - general physical violence.

Most of these rockers with violent or perverted tendencies are fucking gross assholes, and ought to be removed from society. Rarely am I in favour of cancellations or dragging famous performers & artists through the mud or putting them in stocks, but some of these creeps are barely human anyway.

But I have to confess that the sexual hypocrisy really jumps out of me when it comes to Homme. I'm barely interested in men/90%+ woman-leaning bi, and I especially revile violent or aggressive guys--whether physically/sexually or verbally, active or passive, doesn't matter, I just hate it (probably because my dad was a pass-agg yeller and smasher-of-plates). But Josh is 100% my type of male and is just that sexy and has so much sensual swagger, that to be honest, I'd maybe consider overlooking his violent history for one brief encounter. Or at least, mentally blocking it out temporarily. Though this is on the condition that during our time together he didn't choke or punch or attack or shout at me, or do so to another woman or a gay man (I don't give a shit if he wails on another straight guy---hetero males need to police and control their own violence themselves, and leave us out of it).

The Beatles still suck.

R99 Oh for christs sake, Lennon is drunk and busts the guy's balls, so the guy runs away in tears and never plays music again? I think there must have been something else going on with the guy.

Still making my way through the thread, but has David Crosby been mentioned? Many stories about him, though he is highly entertaining on Twitter these days.

As an elder, I'd guess it's easy for younger people to dismiss the Beatles as overrated, because of everything that followed them, that they influenced. I was just a kid but I remember how totally new and electric and thrilling their sound was, there was simply nothing like it. You really have to work at imagining that if you weren't around.

....and experimental. The Beatles were so fucking experimental. Every album that came out, it was like, what are they up to now? Totally new stuff that no one had ever heard before, different styles, sound effects, long-form songs, crazy shit. And all in the space of a few years.

R297 Tracii Guns is really cute, friendly, and quite articulate for a dopey stoner 80s rocker. A really nice guy, too, I see why he didn't stick around Axl & Slash.

He also held on to youthful looks for a really long time. He's only grown a beard/greys and starting sporting wrinkles recently, inside the last ten years, which is pretty good going for someone from a Sunset Strip club band background who smokes and doesn't always use sunscreen and was born in 1966.