White House advisors confirm Trump has said he won't leave the White House on the 20th.

So.

Oh well...

He'll have to be dragged out like this:

You should have linked OP.

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

Well if this is true it should make for fun TV viewing on 20th - popcorn at the ready.

Trump makes up shit day by day depending on what time he wakes up after soiling his diaper. Trying to predict what he's going to do or say weeks from now is pointless.

I hope he really does this, so the secret service has to come and forcefully remove him.

Donald Trump, who is yet to acknowledge his loss in the US presidential elections, considered refusing to leave the White House on inauguration day in January next year, according to reports.

Mr Trump has reportedly told some of his advisers that he won’t leave the White House when Joe Biden takes the oath of office on 20 January. These claims panicked some of his aides, but they believe he may not follow through on his plan.

An adviser said: "He's throwing a f****** temper tantrum. He's going to leave. He's just lashing out," reported CNN. There is no precedence of an American head of state refusing to relinquish power in the nation’s history and it has led experts to debate possible responses in case of such an event.

Some of his advisers have reportedly been trying to convince the president to start thinking about his plans for a potential 2024 run for the presidency again - a possibility that Mr Trump has highlighted several times over the past weeks.

On 14 December, the electoral college confirmed the victory of Democrat Joe Biden with 306 votes compared to 232 for Mr Trump. The confirmation of the victory followed a series of failed legal challenges across the US where the Trump campaign couldn’t substantiate its allegations of voter fraud.

Post this confirmation, Senate majority leader Mitch McConnell also for the first time acknowledged Mr Biden as president-elect – the senior-most Republican to do so to date.

The breaking away of a once close ally certainly angered Mr Trump who continues to peddle voter fraud conspiracy theories. “Mitch, 75,000,000 votes, a record for a sitting President (by a lot). Too soon to give up. Republican Party must finally learn to fight. People are angry!” Mr Trump tweeted.

Mr Biden had also asked Mr Trump to accept his clear victory after the electoral college vote but so far it has failed to cut ice.

Mr Trump on Wednesday tweeted: “Perhaps the biggest difference between 2016 and 2020 is [Fox News], despite the fact that I went from 63,000,000 votes to 75,000,000 Votes, a record 12,000,000 Vote increase. Obama went down 3,000,000 votes, and won. Rigged Election!!!”

YAY!!!!

We get a frog march and early jail sentence for The Trumpster Fire YAAAYYYY!!!!!!!!

But Trump's delusional psychopathy is just an "armchair diagnosis," right Boris?

The syph has ravaged what little was left of his brain. They should just shoot him with a cattle prod and drag him out.

Like Trump plans on never leaving to go play golf...uh huh.

Fatty leaves, you change the locks and put his shit on the curb.

Problem solved.

Good. I want to see footage of his ass being dragged out of the White House!

Amazon Braids girl will handle things and drag his fat nasty ass out.....

One of the guests on Brian Williams' show Wed. night described Trump's exit as having a falcon hood clamped over his head and being rolled up in a blanket, which is a diverting mental image.

We need all cameras on. It will get ugly! He will be pulling down his Depends and smearing his shit on the walls. HazMat team standing back and standing by.

At this point, how are they all still so terrified of him and his temper? Why does it seem as if there isn’t anyone willing to say “No, you won’t be doing that “?

The Secretary of Defense and the Joint chiefs of staff better keep the nuke codes away from him.

The irony of this moron's accusations that Biden didn't win legitimately, especially as Dump's entire presidency was a sham. This orange fool shouldn't have been elected in the first place.

His entire presidency was rigged and a scam.

Delusion, it's a helluva drug!

Of course, the big problem, this moron has agitated a whole bunch of extremely angry disenfranchised ignoramuses, many who own guns. Dump has caused these roaches to crawl out of the woodwork, he's given them a voice.

R19, I like to think that he was never given the real ones in the first place.

One would think so R21. Esp after Nixon one night drunk out of his mind wanted to nuke North Vietnam.

I love the pic at R3. There sits an idiot that has no idea what is going on in the world around him.

I've been warning you for years about this.

Anything to keep the camera on him, instead of Biden.

He’s that desperate for attention. And he’s trying his best to play up the outrage about “the steal” (whatever THAT means) to bind his morons to him ever tighter.

Just leave a trail of Russian hooker pee to the back door exit>Problem solved!

Someone should tell him his Nobel Prize is waiting outside.

What an embarrassing poor excuse of a man. I can’t wait to see this!

Only a white man could behave this way and everyone is fine with it. Mind you, this is the president of the United states currently, and he's behaving in this manner.

The president of the United states, SMH!!!

Only a white man could do this and get away with it.

Everyone's not fine with it R29, including a lot of white people.

R30, Trump should have been removed from office and never was. I still can't get past that. He is simply unfit and has been an extreme embarrassment to this country.

But I guess we can blame Mitch McConnell for helping to enable Trumps bullshit etc.

I still can't believe the the last 4 years happened the way they did. I just can't believe it.

Fuck you, racist R29.

[quote]Just leave a trail of Russian hooker pee to the back door exit>Problem solved! —Melania, get to peeing girl

The neighbors and local governance council around Mar-a-Lago are already protesting DJT moving there. They will explode when they see certain regular visitors around the place.

A country awash with guns, and nobody took him out. Although that would suggest it's his supporter who have the guns. I sincerely hope hr gets dragged before the courts once he's out of office and that he's convicted and does time. No kid glove treatment for it.

A lot of people can't believe what happened in the last 4 years.

R24- You have to admit, the first time Bill said this, everyone thought it was a joke.

The BE BEST part of this story is that Palm beach doesn't even want him. He's was the fucking President, and even his neighbors hate him. So fucking humiliating.

So the sunuva bitch is really gonna do it.

I'm sure they could find home for him nearby in Miracle Village.

Noon. 20/01/21. He’s nothing.

I want to see the ground crew in DC who will be holding the giant placards so when 45 leaves by Air Force One and looks down on the city he sees it spelled out for him: L O S E R.

Good - I want to see him dragged out screaming in handcuffs. It will be the highlight of the year.

We have no way of knowing what Trump has actually said behind closed doors, what his intentions are, or whether or not any "White House advisors" said any such thing. The media is a free for all now in which writers can publish any story they create.

Secret service will be more than happy to remove him by the order of the next POTUS.

Outgoing Presidents leave in Marine One, R40. That being said, I genuinely don't give a fuck. He was done in November. He's fucking over. It's delightful.

R42 well since Trump himself is a bloviating pus-filled lie machine, who quite literally makes shit up and spews it forth on a near-constant basis, anything said about him doesn't need to be true either, the truth has never had any relevance to him so why start now?

Please. He's a massive physical coward and ludicrously obsessed with his appearance and dignity (glass or water, anyone? tricky ramp?). Plus he already knows the Security Service and permanent staff will be prepared, ready and probably gagging to intervene. He'll go like a lamb. He's more likely not to come back at all after Christmas.

[quote] At this point, how are they all still so terrified of him and his temper? Why does it seem as if there isn’t anyone willing to say “No, you won’t be doing that “?

70+ million psycho voters that’s why.

Like the fecal impaction he is, Dump will be dug out and flushed,.

These are the kind of desperate attention-grabbing stories that international new media has decided to completely ignore after Trump lost re-election.

I really hope that after Biden is sworn in, our news organizations will learn to do the same.

90% of Trump's success was due to the over-amplification of his voice by American media. Once he's out of power, CNN, MSNBC, etc. need to cut that shit out.

r10 is one of the most persistent and disturbing trolls I've encountered on DL.

I started the linked thread in the spring and she STILL won't let go of the delusion I was somehow alluding to Trump (which, I hope it's clear, I was not.) She's obsessed.

R20, And do you somehow suspect that Joe's 80,000,000 are NOT angry and do NOT own guns?

Guess again.

I thought he lived in Trump Tower NYC. Can't he go there and just visit Mar-a-lago, like usual? More of his mafia buds are in NY surely.

I do so hope he refuses to leave. My life would be complete at the sight of the FBI or Secret Service hauling that psychotic lunatic out of the White House if cuffs, kicking and screaming.

He's barking mad and no one should be paying too much attention to anything he says, unless it's criminal and he can be jailed for it, or it can be used to commit him involuntarily to mad house.

Where are the Dem's LEADERS?! Who allows this?! Imagine if Obama had said half?!!!

Yet, here we are, polite, accommodating. PUSSIES.

Shut the fucking bully up by treating him the way he treats us! Really! I just watched on Morning Joe, the fucking ugly rug Rand blathering on about 4,000 illegal votes in Nevada and his loud proclamation that it WAS A STOLEN ELECTION (!) and the Dems? QUIET AS CHURCH MICE.

Why not interrupt and say "Your wig must be glued on too tight, wtf are you talking about?!"

But we are soooooo fucking polite. PUSSIES and we won.

Why are we so afraid of 74 million votes when Biden got 80 million?! I DONT GET IT. PUSSY DEMS.

Republicans would be outraged, stopping congress, united message on all media 24/7. THE WINNING DEMS? Kamala still STILL hasn't said shit and her fucking job is to be the annoying pit bull.

ENOUGH. PUSSY DEMS.

He can't go back to NY, everybody hates him there.

The only places in NYC he could go are Sing Sing and Rikers Island.

[quote] I thought he lived in Trump Tower NYC. Can't he go there and just visit Mar-a-lago, like usual?

Their life in NYC would a misery. They are considered pariahs in that city. Living there would mean never being invited anywhere, being met with slurs every time they ventured out in public, and basically being treated like the human filth they are. At least in Palm Beach, which is a rather small town, they have their crooked power broker friends and all the old senile fools who think he's the best POTUS we've ever had, to give them constant approval.

Down at Mar-a-Lago they'll have built in staff they won't have to pay for. They won't even have to cook food and they'll probably have the club maids clean their apartment daily. They'll have the club restaurant & all other facilities at their disposal. All those people are on the Mar-a-Lago payroll and I can get no one will ask the Trumps to help pay for their services. If they move anywhere else they'll have to pay for their own staff.

“Reportedly” and “may not” are not the same as confirmed, 0P. Hopefully Trump will be dead before then anyway.

Is he even going to stay in the White House over Christmas, afraid that if he leaves he won't come back?

[quote] Rand blathering on about 4,000 illegal votes in Nevada and his loud proclamation that it WAS A STOLEN ELECTION (!) and the Dems? QUIET AS CHURCH MICE.

They're probably just biding their time, giving all these GOP nitwits the rope they need to hang themselves until Biden takes over. I'm betting once Trump is finally gone all these big mouths like Rand Paul will clam up. They're putting on a show for their voting base right now.

Our ALL CAPS hysterical queen screaming that this is all the fault of the Democrats needs to please, at your earliest convenience, jump into a grease fire.

I still believe they'll go to Mar-a-Lago for Christmas and never set foot in the White House again.

Dump will spend Christmas in the WH binging on Big Macs and fries and making a chain to attach to an Oval Office lamp.

Severe personality disorder and being an absolute entitled bastard is a terrible combination.

What r46 said especially Trump being coward.

The "counterpuncher" and stupid person's "tough guy" couldn't even fire anybody face-to-face in the Oval Office. He did so behind the safe remove of his Twitter account.

Trump's cultists are pure stupid, there's no other way to put it.

While these stories and the threads they generate are fun to read, I can guarantee you Trump will leave quietly, probably after Christmas and not return until the Inauguration.

Yes, I think it's a very real possibility that Trump attends the Inauguration. Not because an outgoing POTUS should, of course. He'll have nefarious, ulterior motives to do so related to image and money.

Trump knows, and, being the coward he is, relies on the certainty, that all the former Presidents who will be there won't publicly snub him, or create a scene.

Give the White House an enema.

Repeat: Brought out like Hannibal Lecter chained to a rolling gurney!

Oh PLEASE have the cameras rolling!

What R46 and R65 said.

Trump is a coward.

And has the self-control of a toddler.

Which is what this is he's having a tantrum, throwing out things he has no intention of actually following up on.

I would also not be surprised if he takes a page (sort of) from Hitler's book and resigns on January 6th, saying that America has let him down which in reality would be a ploy to let Pence pardon him.

Put it on Pay-Per-View. Have Gritty and Stacey Abrams be the ones dragging him out.

No fucking way Trump would live where this would be staring at him every day right at his front door.

Trump must go to live in Mar-a-Lago because he just claimed on his Federal Income Tax to so reside.

This is a ruse to get media attention, and CNN fell for it again, as well as other outlets today. Why would he risk shown being escorted/dragged out of WH and humiliated? Our discussion has already achieved part of his plan to stay @ forefront of news

I had predicted last summer that when he lost the election, he’d go to Mar a Lago for Thanksgiving and not ever return. Didn’t factor in all the fraudulent election bs keeping him in DC. So leaving at Christmas, I don’t know. He’s so fixated on punishing Republicans at the moment, he knows he can do the most damage by screwing with the Georgia election in early January and for that he has to be in his WH bully pulpit.

[quote] I would also not be surprised if he takes a page (sort of) from Hitler's book and resigns on January 6th, saying that America has let him down which in reality would be a ploy to let Pence pardon him.

That's a possibility, too.

I think it would depend, in Trump's grifting mind, whether, if he resigns, post-Presidential public monies and protection that ex-Presidents receive would be diminished, as distinct from retaining office until the last syllable of the oath emits form the new President's mouth.

I'm convinced Trump has been looting the US Treasury, in one form or another, since he famously declined (or did he claim he would donate it to charity?) the President's salary.

Hell, he'd have looted of the US Treasury even if he took a salary.

[quote] Trump must go to live in Mar-a-Lago because he just claimed on his Federal Income Tax to so reside.

That has no bearing on where he lives. People move all the time after they've filed their taxes.

Imagine Pence turns things around and DOESN’T pardon him..!!

"But he got 70 million votes!!"

So what, people have to vote for somebody. 65.9 million wanted Hillary in 2016; it means nothing if you're the loser.

"... the election hinged not on Clinton's large 2.8 million overall vote margin over Trump, but rather on about 78,000 votes from only three counties in Wisconsin, Pennsylvania, and Michigan."

He will attend the Inauguration. He will arrive later than he's supposed to, giving the media fits while they prattle about:

"America is worried that President Trump won't appear, dimming the spotlight on Biden's swearing-in, a moment that has been full of controversy up to the bitter end.

Indeed, the allegations of fraudulent mail-in ballots might very well lead to changes in the voting laws of many states. Republican challenges...Wait, I think President Trump has arrived!

Yes, and the ever-fashionable First Lady Melania is with him! Here they are, coming down the steps, President Trump smiling and nodding to Senator McConnell in an admirable show of forgiveness for the Senator's acknowledgment of Biden's victory.

So now we see the Trumps are taking their seats next to Mr. Harris.

And here comes Biden, no doubt with a sigh of relief, to take his Oath of Office."

"Okay, it's Mr. Emhoff. not Mr. Harris. Probably many Americans have made that mistake."

He really is amazing. I’ve never known a grown man who was so completely unable to muster the tiniest iota of dignity. He just behaves like the most graceless, entitled pig on every occasion. He just gets lower and lower

If he really leaves for Mar a Largo before Christmas and never returns to the White House, wouldn't that mean he would have to resign and make Pence president until 20th January. He cannot just leave his job.

That would entail some level of integrity R77. In other words... not bloody likely. It is nice to dream though.

[quote]If he really leaves for Mar a Largo before Christmas and never returns to the White House, wouldn't that mean he would have to resign and make Pence president until 20th January. He cannot just leave his job.

He hasn't done his job since at least Election Day if not before.

How many times has he been seen in public? I mean, at things that weren't rallies?

Of course he can R82

He doesn't physically need to be in Washington and can claim he is available if needed.

Drag him out by his heels -- now that'd be some Must See TV!

[quote]Our ALL CAPS hysterical queen screaming that this is all the fault of the Democrats needs to please, at your earliest convenience, jump into a grease fire.

Aw c'mon r61. I wanted to push him.

Technically he needs to be available 24/7, that's his job as president. He can't just say, fuck you and leave on the 22nd.

Anything to get a headline, like every day for the past 6 years, he's like Lohan at the end. I half expect Melania to flash her snatch getting out of a limo with Paris Hilton.

Trump makes a lousy Effie White.

I TRULY WOULDN'T BE SURPRISED IF HE WANTS to be dragged out of the white house and it be carried on tv around the world.. it would be the ultimate point in his mind how he's the victim and how you see it's another "win" for him in his perverted warped mind...

He absolutely can, R88. There's nothing anyone can do about it if he does.

It wouldn't surprise me one bit if Congress finally got some kind of coronavirus bill passed and Trump fucked off and refused to sign it or do any work.

Not the slightest chance, R91. He's a narcissist who, despite what the rest of us see, is also incredibly vain. The special suits and ties to try to disguise his physique, the teased and tormented hair, the fake tan - there's not even the remotest possibility he will voluntarily place himself at risk of being pushed, pulled, carried or otherwise manhandled in public.

All they have to do is tell him there's a rally in some podunk, no-one-ever-heard of town. While he's gone, put his shit on the lawn OUTSIDE the gates and change the locks.

Or they can do what they did in Veep. Let him get in Marine One, wave to the crowds, then fly him to an empty field and leave him there!

Once again, Trump manipulates the headlines. When id everyone going to catch on that he leaks these outrageous pieces of speculation to dominate the headlines? The man is laughing at the stupidity of the gullible public and the media who reports his every breath. Ignore anything that is " reported."

[quote] Technically he needs to be available 24/7, that's his job as president. He can't just say, fuck you and leave on the 22nd.

R88, we have telephones now.

But he can't sign legislation by phone, so maybe it would be dereliction of duty if he weren't available to sign the COVID relief bill. Could he lose rights to a pension (which includes medical insurance) if he deserted his post before his job ends on Jan. 20?

I don't think he physically needs to be in the White House to sign it R96

They could fly it down to Florida or even email it and have him print it out.

Trump, at his core, is a troll. And trolls get off on upsetting people and causing a reaction. Trump has spent 4 or 5 years watching democrats lose their shit over everything he MIGHT do. And, instead of ignoring a lot of bullshit, democrats have just fallen for everything, with a lot of help from the 24 hour news cycle.

Now I'm not saying that the orange asshole hasn't done a lot of bullshit to get upset about, but many democrats have been in a constant state of panic, worry, and upset for the entire 4 years which only has made him do more of this shit. He plays the media to troll democrats and to distract us from the real shit that he's doing. Stephen Miller, Jared, and Mitch were all doing bad stuff, while we were distracted by some stupid tweet.

Trump's presidency was a low point in our history, the man was a cancer. But we played into the nonsense by overreacting to every single stupid thing. A lot of which was stuff that would have gotten a post moved to Flames and Freaks during the golden days of Datalounge.

We talk a lot on here about Trump's crazed groupies, but sometimes I think we're no better. In fact, I would say that some of us are more obsessed with him than they are.

[quote] “I went from 63,000,000 votes to 75,000,000 Votes, a record 12,000,000 Vote increase. Obama went down 3,000,000 votes, and won. Rigged Election!!!”

What he refuses to acknowledge — and his narcissism likely won’t let him — is that the numbers don’t indicate any sort of fraud on the part of the Dems. Instead, they represent how incredibly despised that he is. Hated. Loathed.

Every poll for months and months before November 3 showed him trailing Biden. No surprise then that the actual vote tracked the polls. They said he would lose and he did!

Great post. I try not to engage in any conversation that begins with “did you hear what Trump said today.” Why exhaust myself with nonsense. Trump is not a lunatic and works within the limits of his powers. He’ll leave the WH when his time is done. Right after issuing hundreds of pardons of course to all his cronies.

The only praise I give Trump is that he used his powers to the fullest to achieve his aims. Democrats should do the same.

R97, you're assuming he's willing to go to all that extra effort (which a secretary or aide would be the one to do, of course). He may very well be committed to sulking for the rest of his term and just fling every pen right off the tray of his high chair!

This is a ridiculous conversation. He has no say whether he will leave the WH. When his time is up, he will leave willingly, or otherwise. If he does decide to literally drag his feet, so be it. But the wise thing for everyone to do, is to do it out of view of the TV cameras. He lives on spectacle, and it will only inflame his aggrieved followers to see him “mistreated.”

And they'll have to remove him by force, which will make him look like a martyr to his lowlife followers. Crazy like a fox.

Have Nancy, Stacy , Hillary and Michelle enter the Oval Office in camouflage yielding AK-47S .

It is incredible to me that everyone is so cowed in the face of his mental illness. He is not a deity. He is a deeply mentally ill man and should be dealt with as such. He should be forcibly removed by doctors and security and treated as a 5150. He needs help.

Wave a bag of Big Macs in his face and he'll follow you right out the door.

The vast majority of people don't know how to deal with mental illness, R105. Mostly they're unable to even recognize it when they see it. One of the worst years of my life was living next door to a mentally challenged couple who told these incredibly ridiculous tales -- they weren't the problem, they were sick, they couldn't help it, but 99% of people who heard their stories believed them. The landlord, the post office delivery guy, other tenants, they were all taken in by these weird stories about "state troopers in undercover yellow Corvettes on the highway chasing after the communist in apartment #22" or what have you.

Every single day, millions of people do the same with Trump. He says something insane and they believe it, or they at least consider it by publicly asking if it could be true.

[quote] White House advisors confirm Trump has said he won't leave the White House on the 20th.

OP is the word "confirm" your interpretation and spin of a story on CNN or does the story actually report "confirm?"

You're notorious for posting misinformation and hiding behind "its on CNN and it can't be linked." You could have gone to CNN Twitter and used a link from there.

Donnie's contractual agreement with the City of Palm Beach allows him to reside at MarALago for just 21 days in a single year. If he goes there for Xmas, intending never to return to DC, his permissible residency for the year 2021 will end one day after Inauguration Day, and his irritated neighbors can sue to evict him, as they have already formally indicated they will do, if he attempts to take up permanent residency inside that place. And yes, he CAN still live in NYC. It'll make it that much easier for the DA's there to serve him with the 57 subpoenas they allegedly have ready for him.

[quote]OP is the word "confirm" your interpretation and spin of a story on CNN or does the story actually report "confirm?"

Here's a link to an article which references a CNN piece, link included in it. The CNN piece is about possible pardons, it makes a reference to Trump saying he won't leave, but that the people around him think he will.

he won't even be there on the 20th. this is just to milk the last little bit of money out of his followers who are dumb enough to keep giving him money

It's like one of those squatters who moves into a vacant home, changes the locks, and refuses to leave, making life hell for the owner of the home. Unfortunately, you can't just call in a SWAT team; you have to carry out the legal eviction process through the courts.

Thanks R110.

OP has lied. AGAIN. The thread headline is both misleading and inaccurate.

Misinformation.

He’ll leave. He won’t want to be embarrassed like that. Are these those same “close aides to the president” who said the week after the election that Trump was “coming to terms” with his loss and would concede because Jared asked him to? Stop falling for CNN clickbait

I 100% agree with you r107. It’s mostly the denial of the not mentally ill around the crazy person that allows this sort of thing to happen.

** BREAKING **

Alec Baldwin refuses to leave SNL!

Agree completely R98

And yes R101, I doubt Trump could figure out most of that on his own.

Remember when it was all "you people are too serious...he's just kidding!" as a response to childish outburst or tantrum? He was never kidding and anyone saying it was gaslighting.

Yeah, we're all 'pussies' to have voted this monster out.

And he'll never attend the inauguration. He knows damned well what he's done and I'm absolutely certain he WILL get snubbed by the formers. Everyone will snub his ass but those who kiss it.

I will breathe again, and sleep deeply once more, when he no longer does.

He's a defecating clown having a predictable meltdown.

It's bullshit gaslighting to claim anyone 'overreacted' to his inept organization, lack of civic understanding (you don't own the USSC, stupid) and outright flaunting of laws and conventions. When Covid 19 hit, he proved beyond a doubt that he was incapable of even basic leadership on behalf of the American people. Those people who've kept the flame under his ass deserve our gratitude, not our derision. If anything, he proved time and time again that he needed to be watched.

The day after he took office he paraded his Russian allegiances and his intent to court their favor. These are people currently celebrating our health crisis and our political division. They poison their enemies and sow chaos around the world to profit themselves. To attempt to blame those calling out and standing up to it as contributing to his continuing, nefarious undermining of a fair election HE could not cheat is to call yourself out as ignorantly naive, at best.

The German people hate him and for good reason. They recognize the signs of decay and the descent into madness that can happen when you allow an autocrat complete power.

You don't grant a top secret security clearance to your son-in-law who was found wanting by the agencies set up to clear him and especially after he tried to set up a back channel to Putin. You don't have over 22 people go to jail over election violations and get to say that you can judge what is fair or not. There is so much more, but I'm sure R98 will try to convince you I'm overreacting.

[quote] outright flaunting of laws

Oh, dear!

Day of, r119; day of.

He's a self-centered, crushing bore who feels he'd disappear if he didn't make noise.

I think it's ludicrous to think he will dominate politics after leaving office. He's not even a politician. And Jared ran the country for 4 years; that's why they had to override his declined security clearance- Trump would be lost and everyone knew it.

His knowledge of politics is "hoax" "witch hunt" "rigged" "loser" "robbed" "weak" and "disgrace".

People afraid of this bloated, broke hasbeen are pathetic.

Maybe he’s seriously thinking about going to the Inauguration, waiting calmly until Biden is ready to get sworn in, then when his hand is in the Bible, suddenly grabbing him and attacking him and saying, “I’m the real President! You’re not the President! You lie!” As the Secret Service drag him off screaming and struggling.

Seriously, the MAGATs would love that and he could raise a lot of money from it. “The real President went down fighting! It was all so unfair! It’s all a conspiracy!” And then Trump could brag about what a great fighter he is and how injured Biden is. His last hurrah.

Trump has no dignity or self respect, he’ll do anything to make money. It’s already performance art.

R119, I totally agree. If there’s anyone who is not amused by all of this, it’s Germans.

They’re not afraid of him, they’re afraid of his base.

Look how quickly they turned on Fox News, which has done nothing but spin and kiss his ass for four years. Now his klan want nothing to do with it.

R122, Plus, "in two weeks"; "we'll see what happens"; "Fake News" from "the enemy of the people"; "many good things are happening."

This is interesting:

“Fox’s daytime viewership dropped 32 percent from the two weeks prior to Election Day to the two weeks after, the Nielsen company said.

“The post-election, weekday average daytime viewership of 1.63 million was roughly equivalent to that of CNN (1.68 million) and MSNBC (1.71 million). CNN was up 33% and MSNBC up 9% during that time period, Nielsen said.”

I wonder if some of the Fox viewers went to CNN. If so, they got a wake up call, even if it was only for a couple of weeks.

“Newsmax, the conservative network that Trump has been touting, saw its daytime average viewership jump from 88,000 the two weeks prior to the election to 474,000 the two weeks after, Nielsen said.“

Reportedly, the Secret Service is having trouble getting volunteers for Trump's post-presidency detail. If they actually have to drag him out of the Oval, they might not have anyone who will do it.

Oh, and by "do it" I meant be willing to protect him after he's no longer president. I think they won't have any problem finding people who will be willing to drag him out of the White House.

Biden's Secret Service will be the ones removing Trump.

It doesn't matter. Secret Service will see him out.

None of this "what's Trump thinking/doing about Biden now" matters anymore.

Whether DUMP leaves the WH to go to MAGA LARD-O or if he will/won't attend the Inauguration is irrelevant. The swearing in on 1/20/21 will be a restricted affair and since DUMP won't be the center of attention he won't show - it will confirm to him and his feed lot idiot followers that he is a LOSER - and he/they will never accept that. Hasn't he floated an idea about holding a competing event? Still, the media needs to STOP covering everything he says/does starting now - there is nothing of any value coming from him or the WH.

Whether it's the Secret Service or US Marshalls, he'll be evicted should he try to stay longer than he should.

He can declare Marshall Law if he wants. It won't stop them. His term is over at noon on January 20th. If he's still there at 12:01, Biden is President and the organs of government answer to him and Trump would be trespassing.

[quote] Biden's Secret Service will be the ones removing Trump.

You think he comes with his own Secret Service detail?

They’re one entity on the Presidential Protection Detail.

I hope they say “he resisted arrest” and do what they gotta do.

At 12:01 on January 20th they answer to Biden.

Normally these threads stress me out, but this one’s crazy. The original article is clickbait, read it through. No one thinks this will really happen and it’s not the danger with Trump. We’ve seen the attempts to overturn democracy the last four years and especially with the election, and maybe there are more in store before January 20, but simply squatting isn’t one of them.

I thought Trump and Melania were already planning their move to Florida. That was last week I guess.

[quote] 90% of Trump's success was due to the over-amplification of his voice by American media. Once he's out of power, CNN, MSNBC, etc. need to cut that shit out.

They won't be amplifying Biden that's for sure. Will these "journalists" even have a job after Trump leaves office? Perhaps they'll need to cover for Biden and his administration.

Trump already gave police the instructions on how to treat criminals, which in his case after inauguration, would be found to be illegal trespassing on government property: "Don't be too nice."

Although it would be yet another embarrassment for our country caused by his presidency, I actually hope they need to drag him out of there and it’s televised live. It’ll be cathartic.

What's with all the bullshit on this thread about it's the media's fault for Trump being an asshole? Are the media supposed to ignore what the President of the United States is doing, good, bad or indifferent?

Fuck that noise. Trump is like a god damned cockroach with the shit he's tried to pull with the glare of the world's spotlight on him. God only knows what the fuck he'd do if he was able to operate carte blanche under cover of darkness.

[quote] What's with all the bullshit on this thread about it's the media's fault for Trump being an asshole? Are the media supposed to ignore what the President of the United States is doing, good, bad or indifferent?

I wouldn't have a problem with it if their coverage was balanced. It's not. They like Trump because he's unpredictable and entertaining, they don't give a shit about the consequences. Not a word about Biden's corporate cronies or corruption so far.

R140 TBH, I think your message would have been even stronger with 50% more cuss words. They add so much to your thesis, and engender so many to your point of view.

Please let his humiliation and shame be permanently captured on video forever. Please let this be true.

Who the fuck is r142, the Virgin MARY?

[quote] I actually hope they need to drag him out of there and it’s televised live.

They BETTER televise this shit or [italic]I’ll[/italic] be the one screaming “FAKE NEWS!”

I want that on my DVR.

[quote] Not a word about Biden's corporate cronies or corruption so far.

Massive eyeroll.

[quote]What's with all the bullshit on this thread about it's the media's fault for Trump being an asshole? Are the media supposed to ignore what the President of the United States is doing, good, bad or indifferent?

No one has said that, you're basically creating a strawman here.

People have said that Trump is pitching fits to get attention and if the media would stop giving him that attention over every little thing, maybe we'd all be better off. And maybe people, journalists included, could stop being so scared of what Trump might do and report the actual facts, not the crazy shit Trump is tweeting followed by some "Could it be true? Let's ask our expert panel" nonsense.

Well, they don't want him in Mar-A-Lago or in New York, so he's got nowhere to go. Do any of you have a sofabed?

All I want for Christmas is for Donald Trump to take a huge shit in my mouth.

[quote]Do any of you have a sofabed?

I have a septic tank.

[quote] so he's got nowhere to go. Do any of you have a sofabed?

I put up No Vacancy sign, yes?

If conservatives still stupidly believe that he has their back, they get whatever's coming to them. Remember how much he loved Fox News? Until they started disagreeing with him. Then they became the enemy. It was obvious who he was looking out for the minute he popped out of Mary Trump's minge.

These are all it will take. Observe. Simply place a trail of these two feet apart from his desk in the Oval Office, and straight out the front entrance to the rear door of a waiting black SUV. DONE!

Why yes, R148. It's quite comfy.

R100, he deserves no praise for his abuse of power. He deserves a prison cell.

[quote]Simply place a trail of these two feet apart from his desk in the Oval Office, and straight out the front entrance to the rear door of a waiting black SUV. DONE!

A trail of Eastern European whores with fake tits would work just as well.

Maybe the Donald should take up hunting...or maybe just try it out for a couple of days in mid-January.

Well having his ass dragged out of the White House would sure pull ratings away from Biden's inauguration. Would the networks leave the inauguration coverage to show the shit stain being slid on his ass out the door and thrown in the street? Trump claimed he carried a gun before being elected, I wonder if he still does with the Secret Service protection, maybe he pull a gun on the Secret Service and they will shoot him, now that would be an unexpected happy ending.

[quote] Would the networks leave the inauguration coverage to show the shit stain being slid on his ass out the door and thrown in the street?

No, but we can count on them to have the tape and air it later so we can watch.

[quote]We talk a lot on here about Trump's crazed groupies, but sometimes I think we're no better.

Ok, Trumpy, you can stop right there.

Maybe Joe Biden can warm up to the NRA and all of Trump's Florida voters, buy an AR-15, and go "Stand his ground" back at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue and protect his legal home from invaders?

Why get his hands dirty? Capisce?

r148, I assume that Ivanka will have a granny apartment ready for him at her new place in Florida. He can't live at Maralago unless he rezones it as a residence.

[quote]Trump makes a lousy Effie White.

But I'll bet they wear the same dress size.

[quote]The only places in NYC he could go are Sing Sing and Rikers Island.

Sing Sing is not in NYC. But if you're going to expand the possibilities to the entire state, why not Attica?

[quote]I still can't believe the the last 4 years happened the way they did. I just can't believe it.

You'd better get used to it. Because this country has been irreparably changed for the foreseeable future.

Trump is full of shit.

All Ivanka has purchased is a lot. No house built yet.

[quote]Well having his ass dragged out of the White House would sure pull ratings away from Biden's inauguration.

I feel sure Biden would be more than happy to pause the inauguration for a few minutes, live stream the ass dragging and enjoy it on air with the rest of the world.

Then he could signal Roberts to continue on with the oath of office.

[quote] Then he could signal Roberts to continue on with the oath of office.

Hopefully after at least a half hour of applause.

Proud Boys plan to ‘wreak havoc’ at Biden’s inauguration — while dressed in disguise: report. Whatever can go wrong?

Macho puffery I wager.

[quote] Please let his humiliation and shame be permanently captured on video forever. Please let this be true.

I can't imagine anything more humiliating than Biden without a teleprompter.

[quote]I can't imagine anything more humiliating than Biden without a teleprompter.

Trump WITH a teleprompter.

Can't the Proud Boys be arrested if they attempt to disrupt the inauguration?

All ten of them R174?

[quote]Can't the Proud Boys be arrested if they attempt to disrupt the inauguration?

Biden has said this isn't going to be a conventional crowded public inauguration ceremony. It might not even be held outdoors. Anyway, security is going to be super tight given the level of terrorist threats that Republican terrorists are already targeting at even the most ordinary government workers, let alone Biden and Harris.

They need a secret location, like the Arizona legislature for the electoral college vote.

I'll rent them my living room.

What happens if you are Secret Service assigned to Trump post election, and get distracted or fall asleep on the job, or say you oversleep and come to work late and something happens. Would you get in big trouble or get in trouble like Trump gets in trouble when he does his job badly?

You people are a bunch of stupid idiots.

R158 They should play the inauguration, which will be virtual, on a big screen on the White House front lawn so we can watch both.

[quote] Do any of you have a sofabed?

I have a fireplace.

If Trump wants to maintain the media's attention, he'll have to keep ramping up the crazy, like Charlie Sheen "tiger blood" crazy.

I want to see Trump dragged out of the House wearing nothing but a straight jacket and Big Boy pull-ups with the Presidential Seal emblazoned across his ample ass.

You know Diarrhea Don be sharting in his pants on January 20. Literally.

Why do so many DLers still have a middle school sense of humor?

Why is the current President of the United States such a petulant, whiny, child-like bitch, R186?

There are many clever put downs of Trump on here R187

It's when adult men, who, given DL's demographics are likely in their 60s, post things like "Diarrhea Don is sharting" that you wonder just how deeply arrested their development is.

Great, when they start to disinfect the White House, just make sure he's in the line of the spray just like the vermin he is. I hope CNN has actual happenings of Marshall's grabbing him by his ass and throwing him out, like a piece of garbage, along with his idiot sons.

[quote]You people are a bunch of stupid idiots.

Your presence on this thread shrieks volumes r180.

Bunch of screeching MARYs!!! here! He's going to leave with dignity like every other president before him. Calm down and carry on.

[quote] He's going to leave with dignity

It’s far too late for that.

[quote]He's going to leave with dignity

OH MY SIDES!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are taxpayers going to foot the bill for Lady Lindsey to fly to Mar-a-Lago and back every weekend and for every Senate recess? She's got regular Hannity and Maria Bartiromo show appearances to fit in as well. Her lust for Trump looks scandalous, but she escapes scrutiny on this by media on the right and by moderate sources.

Trump also said he'd release his tax returns and replace Obamacare with something even better that we'd like so much we'd be proud of it. Lying sack of crap.

[quote]You people are a bunch of stupid idiots.

So Plan 9 is in effect?

[quote]He's going to leave with dignity like every other president before him.

Leave, yes. With "dignity", no. He knows nothing of dignity.

I really thought he would have fled to Mar a Lago already. I read every juicy insider story about Trump's White House and I've yet to come across a good explanation as to why he hasn't gone to Florida for the holidays.

Don't forget the WALL that Mexico is going to pay for R195!

Will someone please just shoot him with a tranquiller dart and escort his fat ass out on a stretcher?

It'll have to be an elephant sized tranquiller dart R200.

I can’t...

Nitwit traitor that MF.

I'm worried about Lindsey. Who will she worship next after January 20?

After McCain died, she turned her attachments to Trump. What after Diarrhea Don has been escorted out by Marshall?

She obviously cannot live without a Daddy. A gurl needs her Daddy.

R171, thank you for posting that article. Are all the "PROUD BOYS" bears and cubs?

[quote]straight jacket

Oh, dear.

Wouldn't we all enjoy this though to see dump forced out of the white house?

Lindsey Graham is a mystery. His erratic behavior since McCain's death can only be explained by blackmail (schizophrenia would be too easy) -- surely being outed as gay these days isn't bad enough to justify his suddenly extreme devotion to Trump?

[quote] so the secret service has to come and forcefully remove him.

I think it might be federal marshals because it would likely be based on a court order. If he became an actual threat to Biden the SS could get involved, but at the same time the SS would still be responsible for protecting Trump, unless he dismissed his protection.

[quote] Only a white man could do this and get away with it.

Absolutely no need to bring race into it.

Here's an idea, why don't they stop reporting on this asshole?

Don't give the man any press, just deal with the situation when it arises.

There are plenty of other atrocities happening in the world to report on but we have to hear about every fart this piece of shit makes.

Or report on his obvious silence on Russia and on this:

I think we need to be prepared for what's coming. CNN and MSNBC were making money left and right during the Trump presidency. Expect a bunch of post mortem stories on the Trump presidency from January - July on CNN and MSNBC. Then they will follow every Tweet and every interview and do the whole can you believe Trump said this segments. Then they will do the speculation segments for awhile. Then that gets us to the midterms and Trump out on the stump for Republicans and for Ivanka in Florida. Then that gets us to the 2024 speculation.

Meanwhile over on Fox it's gonna be Hunter Biden all the time mixed with Uncle Joe, who we know will misspeak at some point about something that will set off the sensitive among us and Kamala's temper will get the best of her at some point and she will threaten to put her foot in somebody's ass and then the stories painting her as Hillary 2.0 and Kamala trying to push Joe down the stairs to get his job.

At this point, this stuff writes itself.

[quote]Here's an idea, why don't they stop reporting on this asshole? Don't give the man any press, just deal with the situation when it arises.

That's why I think the AG should not get involved in any of this. let all the state courts deal with Dump and his mobster henchmen. These courts have enough muscle to put him in jail for the rest of his useless life. Joe and Kamala will have to deal with enough urgent shit that they need to fix.

Current U.S. politics' reigning P.T. Barnum. He knows exactly what he says and does, and whom it riles up or elates. He's doing this just to bust balls and rev up his base at this pre-departure stage. Trump must've been the kid at boarding school who at recess outside in the playground on a winter day took out his wee-wee and handcrafted "I love me!" with it in the snowbanks.

Do we know how the residential top two floors of the White House look. I know the Slovenian hooker was involved redecorating some rooms on the ground and first floor, but had limited say because the White House is basically a museum and all changes to the China, Red, Blue and Green Room have to be approved by a committee that oversees that the historic significance of these areas of the White House.

Someone link the video of Jim Baker, Tammy Faye's husband being taken out of his house crying and in handcuffs. That's how I picture it.

[quote]He's going to leave with dignity

Dignity left the White House on January 20, 2017 with the Obama family.

Dont they need time to fumigate and clean? And I am not really joking, that place should be named Corona House. Imaging all the Trumpian fecal matter everywhere.

I think the most likely plan is he goes to Mar-a-Lago for the Holidays and just never returns. Maybe that wont even be his real plan but once he is down there, what's the point of returning to a job you basically gave up on months ago. He will make up some bull shit excuse about the southern White House.

All his republican henchmen will still be around the offices in the White House, West and East Wings.

I don't think Joe Biden is moving in on inauguration day. He can't trust Dump's staff to be covid negative. Don't the new presidents also choose their own cooks, butlers, maids?

Yes, each president can bring in a whole new staff. Sometimes if they have been there a long time like a Chef they keep them on but just like everything else, Dump ruined that tradition too.

[quote] I can't imagine anything more humiliating than Biden without a teleprompter.

REALLY? Then you haven't been paying attention to Trump for the last five years. Something I plan on doing after Jan 20th.

[quote]Only a white man could do this and get away with it.

Oh, really?

Mike Pence is campaigning in Georgia for the two Republican "insider trader" Senate candidates.

That gives clarity to the phrase: "The Devil Went Down to Georgia".

Will this be the "Dirty Dozen" team to block the WH doors to keep the federal marshals from entering?

Tubeville, Graham, Rubio, Cruz, Gym Jordan, Nunes, ,McCallum, Biggs, Gohmert, Mo Brooks, Gaetz, & Ron Johnson.

Backups: Hawley, Cotton, and Ernst.

R221, The Coronavirus lingers on metal wood, and other surfaces, and also in the air, for periods of time such that the Bidens cannot possibly be allowed past the door on January 20, nor for a couple weeks thereafter.

That's simply the obvious. Then there are the hidden listening devices/recorders and cameras.

Finally, there's Trump’s personal zone. The horror. THE HORROR.

Fuck covid. It's going to take days to scan the White House for Russian surveillance equipment that Trump allowed to be planted there, either explicitly or by his abject negligence. Biden is well acquainted with the Vice Presidential residence and could stay there, except after Mike Pence has lived in it for four years, who would want it? Those quarters also require fumigation.

It may end like the last scene in Sunset Blvd. Lights! Camera! Action!

Photos of Trump being given the bum's rush by the Secret Service would inflame Trump supporters. He might just stick around for the express purpose of provoking such action and the resultant photos.

Or this asshole might stage the photos himself and release them on Inauguration Day. NOTHING is too low - or improbable - to discount the possibility of him embracing it.

The Biden’s will likely live in Blair House until the White House has been cleaned, fumigated, and exorcised.

Dee Plorable and Dez Pickable don't like seeing their Führer as a weakling. Just like Dump himself, they don't like losers.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. I want the 6 biggest, buffest Black Panthers to do the escorting out of trump, with a walnut shampoo at the ready at the slightest hint of resistance. Make it happen, universe!

[quote]Will this be the "Dirty Dozen" team to block the WH doors to keep the federal marshals from entering?

Do you honestly think that group of old white pudding-bellied men have a chance against trained officers who have GUNS, R226?

Oh yeah? Well I can run real fast.

Or you could mount one of your cows and ride out of town Devin.

[quote]The Biden’s will likely live in Blair House

Oh, dear.

Stop using apostrophes to make plurals. It's not that complicated.

[quote]Stop using apostrophes to make plurals. It's not that complicated.

Fuck you and your complaining. The spell check on various of my electronic devices defaults to adding an apostrophe every time an "s" is appended to the end of a word. It is a big pain in the ass and easily missed. You have a problem with it? Take it up with Google and stop sneering and sniffing at real people posting here.

R237 Go fuck yourself. You seem to have nothing better to do.

If the Bidens live in Blair house then will that hurt the feelings of Tootie, Natalie and Jo?

As Obama told Jimmy Kimmel, "We've got a SEAL team who can take care of that!"

And I wish people would wise up. Government employees like their paychecks, and the prospect of further government or corporate employment. The entire Senate and House all want to be re-elected. And no one wants a civil war. Trump doesn't care about the presidency, or about losing it. This refusal to concede has all been a massive charade to keep donations coming in to the campaign, so Trump's entire family can keep skimming from it. Also, Trump sees falling out of the news cycle as a kind of death, so it's an existential horror that helps him act this way. Even though he hates them, any day that he has no mentions in either WaPo or NYT is a day without sunshine for him, and he would literally rather be dead. And possibly will be, if he makes the wrong play sometime around, oh, January 20, let's say...

And posts like this also ignore the fact that he will no longer be president on that day, no matter what. His term in office will have expired.

R238, I hate when that happens! Mine does that with "it's" and "its," also.

My phone further "auto-corrects" "Trump" to....."Truman"! What?!

[quote]My phone further "auto-corrects" "Trump" to....."Truman"!

Would that all Americans were as wise as r243's phone.

Yup he isn’t going anywhere. Military coup will start a few days into 2021. The pentagon has completely shut off the Biden transition. They’re planning something.

I'm trying to imagine how an actual Trump coup would play out. Trump himself is clearly not a functioning leader, so the government would need to be led by a junta, and who would that be exactly? Jared and Ivanka? The Republican Party, led by Ronna McDaniel? Congress minus Democrats? What parts of the government will still function democratically or will it have to be totally reconstituted from ground up in some new autocratic form that's never been used before and will more likely than not be made up on the fly? Will everyone in government who is not a registered Republican be taken out and shot, or will signing a loyalty oath to Trump be sufficient?

How will the new junta deal with dissenters? Will they only kill or imprison people who actively protest or will they go door to door rounding up everyone who's known to have voted Democrat? Will ethnic groups and sexual minorities be included in the round-ups and will there be an organized genocide? Who's going to subsidize all this activity, given that we'd be going into it during a massive economic depression with millions out of work and most of the nation's wealth concentrated among individuals and corporations who aren't legally obligated to pay taxes? How is it all going to work in the middle of a lethal pandemic which the presumed junta-to-be has deliberately allowed to run its course through the entire population?

R245, Stop it. The military is not going to perpetrate a pro-Trump/pro-Russia treasonous coup.

"Oh, dear" hasn't been the same since experiencing menopause twenty years ago. Being a distraction by pointing to spelling and auto-correct errors, is desperation to garner attention.

R243, a year into the global pandemic, my Android auto-'corrects' "covid" to "vivid." Every fucking time.

"Fuck you and your complaining. The spell check on various of my electronic devices defaults to adding an apostrophe every time an "s" is appended to the end of a word. It is a big pain in the ass and easily missed. You have a problem with it? Take it up with Google and stop sneering and sniffing at real people posting here."

Turn off your spell check and do it yourself.

R245 is an idiot. And a transparent troll.

[QUOTE] “Oh, dear" hasn't been the same since experiencing menopause twenty years ago. Being a distraction by pointing to spelling and auto-correct errors, is desperation to garner attention.

“Oh, dear” is a DL institution. The “Oh, dear” posts don’t even distract from the conversations. They’re like little grammatical speed bumps. Here’s another idea, hon: Learn how to spell and to use grammar correctly. It’s really not that hard.

[quote] They’re like little grammatical speed bumps.

How fucking cute! 😂

How many bullet proof vests will the fat orange turd wear on Jan. 21 .

[quote]“Oh, dear” is a DL institution.

DL institutions are fucking stupid.

R255

The more attention you give the trolls the more they get off. Ignore them fools...

Well, they could offer one of three exits: Julian Assange being carried out manually, Muammar el-Qaddafi being shot in the legs and dragged out into the street, or Mussolini strung up by a meat hook. Any of those methods would be glorious to watch.

[quote] Being a distraction by pointing to spelling and auto-correct errors, is desperation to garner attention.

Very few people get ‘oh, deared’ for obvious autocorrect errors. However, poor grammar, not knowing the difference between their, they’re, and there or to and too is and always was widely unacceptable here. We’re not Facebook and don’t want to descend into that level of writing.

I always laugh when I see an “oh dear” because I always picture a stereotypical third grade teacher, with her sweater, blouse all the way up to her neck, a skirt that comes to her ankles, orthopedic shoes, short pearl strand and gigantic cats eye glasses tsk-tsking under her breath with “oh, dear!”

[quote]Here’s another idea, hon: Learn how to spell and to use grammar correctly. It’s really not that hard.

...from a condescending old goat.

[QUOTE] ...from a condescending old goat.

Really? I’m a very young-looking 42.

You must watch this vid.

Fucking hilarious, r263!

That took some skill to do.

“Wait just one second.”

Love it R263!!!

R263 Thanks 4 psoting that.

[quote] [R243], a year into the global pandemic, my Android auto-'corrects' "covid" to "vivid." Every fucking time.

How vivid.

R247 You sure about that?

Do you know what argument Hitler used to get the wealthy and business interests to allow him to become a dictator? He'd destroy unions and workers.

Why is this relevant to Trump staging a coup, you might ask? Well guess what's trending on Twitter right now?

[Quote] Only in America, can elected representatives threaten to shutdown government regularly, but the public never calls for #GeneralStrike. It’s almost the opposite around the the world.

Gee, if I were a desperate, wannabe dictator and needed an angle to get the ruling class to support my attempted coup, what better argument to make to them than to say if you allow Biden into office, he will fail to stop a General Strike, just as Democrats failed to stop the riots over the summer. It's almost as if, although history doesn't repeat itself, it rhymes.

After Biden is swore in, they should throw this grifter family out of air force one. Parachute or not, I don't care, do you?

[quote]DL institutions are fucking stupid.

You belong in an institution.

So the Biden campaign says The Pentagon is no longer talking to them, transition conversations have ceased.

What worries me, with Barr gone, is he's unrestrained. Moscow Mitch is now on his shit list, too, for congratulating Biden. His mouthpiece right now is Michael Flynn and he's calling for martial law. Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think a president would try a coup.

What can we do to stop him?

[quote]He's going to leave with dignity

To quote Barbara Walters re: Star Jones.

We were hoping Star would leave with dignity. Star/Donald chose another way.

R273 the military isn’t going along with it. You think the joint chiefs of staff will overthrow the US government? For Trump? No. General Milley gave a statement on Election Day reaffirming that he swore an oath to the constitution. The goons installed at the pentagon are there to burn files. Career DOD employees aren’t going to listen to them. There are thousands of employees at the pentagon. None of them want to overthrow the US constitution.

Gen Miley reiterated that message today in response to Flynn’s idiocy. These people are flirting with treason. The US military won’t be backing any coups.

He's just saying this to annoy people.

He'll suddenly depart for Miralago a few days before inauguration day and that will be it.

He’ll leave with Dignity.

[quote]We get a frog march and early jail sentence

Oh please oh please oh please! Throw in a wig snatch that rips the hair off that hideously sutured scalp and some pepper spray to the face that makes the orange face paint run!

And I Am Telling You, I'm Not Going.

She goes.

So will he.

R275 The joint chief of staff serves at the pleasure of the President. Trump can fire whoever the fuck he wants to get loyalists into position to do his bidding...which is exactly what he's doing. Mitch congratulated Biden, but if Trump pulled a coup, do you really believe that he would insist on supporting Biden's claims to the presidency? No and you know this. The problem is the rank and file are more supportive of Trump than people realize. That's what matters because they are the ones who would use force to put down resistance to the coup, not the military leaders who can be removed at any time. Trump may fail, but it won't be because he can't get the military behind him.

My god, what has happened?

It seems we're living through the opposite of the film "Seven Days in May." I'm not worried about the military, cooler, calmer heads will prevail there. I AM worried about all the people/groups/organizations Trump has made deals with since occupying the White House(his involvement with Putin is a given). Plans we'll never hear about but which may come to fruition down the line, even after the NPD Sufferer-in-Chief is off somewhere, plotting revenge.

R283 Hey, love. Just read your post after posting the following in another thread. (I feel you, btw.):

Listen, I get the concern expressed by both [R48] and [R50] - I’ve expressed my own concern regarding the escalating chaos and confusion fomented and created by Trump and have been chastised and ridiculed for it - but what can we do at this point but wait?

A lot has been “not right” since this pathetic and dangerous man ascended to/was strategically placed in the highest office in the land, and it is obvious that his dark tendencies and capabilities are endless. He thrives on chaos and confusion, and deals in fear, lies, and illusions. When speaking about him I honestly find myself thinking, “I am actually describing a demon.”

What saddens me most is that, as much as we ridicule and berate them, there are people I care about and love who have fallen under this demon’s spell, considering him everything from “the greatest American hero and President” all the way to a damn messianic figure. It’s scary, tragic, and saddening.

Our government is so infested with corrupt figures - on both sides - that we find ourselves resorting to ripping each other to shreds because we can’t in good faith defend those politicians because they, too, have proven themselves to be hypocritical and compromised. That being said, this bastard has taken things to another level and has incited a hatred in me that I know, objectively speaking, is toxic to both myself and others.

I vacillate between being gripped by fear, anger, and anxiety, and riding high on the hope and faith in good conquering and reigning in the end. At this point, I’m choosing to continue to sustain my hope and faith, however difficult it may be.

I’ve also realized that I need to pull back from politics for a bit, at least until January 20th. I can’t continue to expose myself to this level of insanity.

I do get and empathize with the apprehension others are feeling, though. We’ve never been through anything like this.

r284 I take my hat off to you. Well said.

Read, retain and learn, my friends.

R284 is a “Both Sides!!” Troll.

R286 Is that all you got from that post? You are not only a divisive tool, you seem mentally and emotionally retarded.

Trump perpetrated emotional, mental, and physical Domestic Violence on the US citizenry.

He's the insecure, weak partner, who, like most DV perpetrators, have unerringly radar in choosing partners that they know will put up with their shit.

Of course, not all of us would put up with it, which is why we're perpetually amazed at those who, inexplicably, do.

It goes back to that radar I mentioned and the one true skill Trump has. That is, as any accomplished Grifter and Con Man knows, Job One is looking for easy marks.

Trump didn't choose to attempt to run as a Democrat even though he's contributed to both Repugs and Dems over the years and has palled around with both.

His radar diverted him from running as a Democrat because we're smarter, more educated and can comprehend the obvious- Trump had no business being within 100 miles of the Oval Office.

Yeah, I wrote it.

He declared himself a Republican and the rest is misery.

[quote][R10] is one of the most persistent and disturbing trolls I've encountered on DL.

R50, they only posted on here twice. And no one has to be obsessed with you to know you posted it -- doesn't matter that it was started in June, it's still an active thread, so it's going to show up in the ignored tab of anyone who has you on ignore. Takes two seconds and almost no work at all. No obsession required.

[quote]I started the linked thread in the spring and she STILL won't let go of the delusion I was somehow alluding to Trump (which, I hope it's clear, I was not.)

It's clear that your post linked at R10 is one of the typical wholesale dismissals of various health issues -- emotional, physical, and otherwise -- that Datalounge loves to engage in. R10 is perfectly within their rights to point out that DLers like you are happy to give Trump 1001 psychological diagnoses based on his behavior, while also starting threads about lazy people and frauen "inventing" anxiety disorders and PTSD.

Absolutely no idea why R284 linked to you at R50, your post doesn't seem even remotely related to what they were talking about. This is a really strange thread all around.

[quote]Never in my wildest dreams did I ever think a president would try a coup.

It shouldn't have been that surprising to anyone old enough to remember W stealing the election in 2000, or anyone paying attention to what Trump and his lackeys have been doing since 2016.

I know I'm quoting you but I promise, I don't mean that this is a problem you specifically have, but it's a problem with a lot of Americans: they check out, they don't pay attention, they deny, they just "can't deal with all this right now," or they're legitimately too stressed with serious personal issues, that they don't ever fully grasp what's going on. At this late date, no one -- absolutely NO ONE -- should be still acting shocked and surprised by anything Trump does.

Some of this is the fault of the media who need the constant shock-outrage cycle for ad dollars, but mostly the problem seems to be that a vast majority of Americans just refuse to move beyond "I can't believe this! This is awful!" and get to the "Okay, now let's do something about it" point.

R289 As I mentioned in the post/reply to R283, it was something I posted on another thread, hence my linking to the aforementioned posts. Sorry for the confusion.

I originally posted it here:

[quote] a vast majority of Americans just refuse to move beyond "I can't believe this! This is awful!" and get to the "Okay, now let's do something about it" point.

What can be done at this point, though?

I do feel that if Trump tries stealing this election, the public outrage will equal and surpass the levels of celebration that broke out all over the nation when he lost.

It shouldn't have been that surprising to anyone old enough to remember W stealing the election in 2000, or anyone paying attention to what Trump and his lackeys have been doing since 2016.

I think you're point is well taken, however, I also think that by responding to Trump or whatever Trump's lackeys like Mike Flynn say, we are giving them the airtime & the oxygen that they want. Don't get me wrong, I think there is a lot of damage Trump can do & he's selling out our country to the highest bidder (see Russian hacks), but he's increasingly insolated & friendless. The career DoD, military, what have you - they will be glad to be rid of him.

What are you all going to worry about on January 20 @ 12:01 pm? Just curious.

You r294.

R294, Trump isn't going away on January 20; he is just moving to a new location. He and his spawn, and their followers will be around for a long time, and they will create mischief wherever and whenever they can. This ain't over by a long shot.

R296 sez: "This ain't over by a long shot."

It would be with an accurate one, though.

[quote] It seems we're living through the opposite of the film "Seven Days in May."

Around here we’re living “Seven Days of MARY!!”

[quote]but he's increasingly insolated

Did you mean ISOLATED or INSULATED? (or INSOLENT?)

[quote]I think you're point is well taken

[quote]Trump isn't going away on January 20; he is just moving to a new location. He and his spawn, and their followers will be around for a long time, and they will create mischief wherever and whenever they can. This ain't over by a long shot.

He sure would fade away if the media would simply ignore him, but they won't.

R263 is a must watch. Hysterical!

R300, yes—he’s clickbait. Perhaps the biggest clickbait there is today.

Trump is not going away until he's dead. But he will no longer be President. Just a few powers go away when that happens. You do realize that, right?

I couldn't even finish R284 's self important drivel.

r264, I know. He reminds me of the guy with the stapler in the movie, "Office Space".

^ Oops, r301 not r264.

Over on Twitter, Bill Kristol is "alarmed."

The P Boys are planning another "Million Man March" on Inauguration Day. Last time only 200-300 people came, enough to cause chaos. Biden needs to have his inauguration inside the WH like Reagan did in 1985, that is where he will be safest.

Love it, r298!

R307, I posted this in the other thread and I’ll post it here too:

No one should allow Joe’s term to start off as though he’s in fear of the Rascal-riding obese punks that are the Proud Boys. Our government institutions are more than capable of handling them as well as any other threat to the president and they’ll be put down unceremoniously in the street like rabid dogs.

I wish they would try. Remember Dump’s tweet over the summer? Something about had they breached the White House wall...? Now they’re all Biden’s toys to play with. *wink*

It's laughable to think he would attend Biden's inauguration. And sit near Hillary, who he has threatened with imprisoning for the past 5 years? Sit near her husband, after bringing women to a debate who accused him of rape? Sit near Barack Obama, who he accused of not being an American citizen, and spent four years trying to destroy his legacy? Sit near Biden, whom he tried for years to get dirt on from here to the Ukraine? Called him senile and a failure and stupid? And vilified his son Hunter with unsubstantiated accusations? Sit near the Bushes, who loathe him?

He's going to sit there with his slutty wife amongst all these people who hate him and and clap?

These past two months have been his 'get out of school' excuse. Not going to happen.

[R294] the gators that consume the rotten Javaka off their plot of land. Food poisoning is hard for poor gators.

Squattergate

He's long since moved on, and is already plotting post-POTUS moneymaking ventures. But the donations from dumb Deplorables is too tempting to resist. So they keep feeding them raw meat like OP's story (which he probably fed to the press).

Republicans always hate their voters. They wish cool people would support them so they could rub shoulders with celebs. But they get Pearl from Podunk.

[quote]Republicans always hate their voters.

I don't believe that for a second. Republicans love their voters because they are so easy. They, for the most part, are uncomplicated voters. You don't have to spin a complicated message to attract them. They typically show up to vote in every election. They don't get hung up on political correctness. You can literally molest little girls and they will swallow any concerns they have and vote for you. All you have to do is support cops, and the military, the flag, and Jesus. Then say a bunch of shit that your dad or grandad said and call it common sense and you're set. If i wanted to be in politics, I would totally switch parties and become a republican. That's easy shit.

I would imagine Trump will hold a rally as Biden is being sworn in, but one never knows. He's irrational and unpredictable.

Well it's gonging to be weird since Covid is not going let us have a huge crowd. You know Trump was hung up on that. I am sure he will be Tweeting or having a rally bragging about how he has more people showing up. I hope Biden's team has something cool planned to counter that noise.

[quote] Republicans love their voters because they are so easy.

I don’t disagree with the substance of your reply, but you need to find a different word — “love” ain’t it.

[quote]You can literally molest little girls and they will swallow any concerns they have and vote for you. All you have to do is support cops, and the military, the flag, and Jesus.

Actually, all you have to do is put an "R" after your name.

I'm hoping for a Scarface ending.

R319 One thing is for sure, the meltdowns will be epic.’ If he pulls something like this (don’t think it will happen), we’re taking to the streets.

When this doesn’t happen, the radical Right is going to snap.

[quote]Trump is not going away until he's dead. But he will no longer be President. Just a few powers go away when that happens. You do realize that, right?

Oh please freeper cunt fuck R303. When do you ever see Clinton or Dubya or Carter issuing Executive Orders?

Nice try. No sale.

General McCaffrey was on MSNBC last night saying in no uncertain terms that the military will absolutely refuse to do anything unconstitutional. Having a retired general on air to publicly put Trump on notice is the way the military gets their message across to the Trumpists that their hairbrained schemes will not end well for them. People are taking Trump seriously.

Some people are, R322. Sadly, Mike Pence does not seem to be one of them. And he's the key to the 25th Amendment.

Nancy Pelosi needs to have impeachment papers ready to go, if Trump tries to deploy the military against the country. If that was happening, then perhaps a few Rethuglican Senators would peel off from Mitch and vote with the Democrats to convict the traitorous sonofabitch.

R323, McCaffrey said that the Republican Senators did need to step up. But he also said that the military has lawyers to defend them if they had to refuse to take unconstitutional orders, and that if necessary, the Supreme Court would also have to step in.

Senatrix & any other closet trans can't save Trump.

Although I’m slightly worried, it’s been made clear that the establishment Republicans, or what’s left of them, are turning on Trump and they still hold all the power. The Qanon psychos and the remnants of the idiot Tea Party do not hold the keys to fulfilling Trump’s wishes. The military will refuse his orders and the courts will step in to stop him. The center will hold, for now, and Biden will take office.

Adding to above, this might need to happen in order to show Trump voters that they are not going to get what they want, ever. Trump will never be in office again and will effectively be in exile and possibly jail if he truly attempts a military coup.

[quote]hairbrained schemes

Oh, dear.

R328, given that it refers eventually back to Trump, "hairbrained" is a nice touch.

R328, are hares not as smart as Bugs Bunny? He's even got his own set of forever stamps.

Given our current national crisis, I propose a moratorium in all "oh dear!" and "MARY". We can't be derailed by grammatical issues when the country is in turmoil

Never stopped us in the past r331.

R328, I originally typed “hairbrain,” and autocorrect switched it to “hairbrained,” which apparently it thought was okay. American Heritage allows this spelling, probably due to the general dumbing down of language across the board.

[quote] Given our current national crisis, I propose a moratorium in all "oh dear!" and "MARY". We can't be derailed by grammatical issues when the country is in turmoil

You can’t say you’re in favor of a return to regular order and also be against spelling and grammatical error checking. The latter is the only thing separating us from the barbarians.

One of the few left, R334.

Which reminds me of a hand-written sign on a pastry display at a Mexican market in Calif. Since the letters "V" and "B" are reversed in the Spanish language, I assume that's why the layered cream-filled buns with icing on top were labelled "Barbarians".

R214 nails it.

[quote] when the country is in turmoil

MARY!!!!

R314, You just described utter contempt, if not outright loathing. Certainly not "love."

He never made that stupid statement attributed to him about running as a Republican.

An examination of all this is in order.

Please let's keep the Trump military coup concern trolling to one thread, please.

Time to call-in The Guardian Angels.

R284 is Cunt Della.

Perhaps, R343, but she has a point

Hardly, R344. That whole "we fight with each other because so many Democrats are corrupt that we can't honestly defend them" bit in their post is ridiculous.

Doubtful, R343. The poster so lovingly praised by R285 has a habit of calling people "retarded," and if I recall, Della gets pissed when people throw the word around.

R303 here. I posted this:

[quote]Trump is not going away until he's dead. But he will no longer be President. Just a few powers go away when that happens. You do realize that, right?

Cunt R321 posted this:

[quote}Oh please freeper cunt fuck [R303]. When do you ever see Clinton or Dubya or Carter issuing Executive Orders?

You realize this is *Datalounge* and you must always assume there is sarcasm in a post? When I said "just a few powers go away when that happens" (Trumptardo no longer president), I meant HE NO LONGER HAS ANY POWERS. So of course that includes executive orders. Either reading comprehension is not your strong point, or you're new to DL? I have no idea. But Merry Christmas you CUNT.

You’re an asshole yourself, cunt, so no toys under the tree for you.

I’m not R321 but no way that looked like satire. I know it when I see and it’s not there. “Just a few powers go away when that happens” means, here in the world where most of us live in, that a lot of powers remain. No irony, no double entendre, no wit is visible. Just a simple, declarative statement that’s dead wrong. You got called on it and then blast people as cunts. I suppose you’ll say that’s satire, too.

Here’s some satire: Go fuck yourself with the sharp end of the Christmas tree to atone for your DL sins this holiday season. Hilarious, huh?

Try harder.

This is making the rounds.

R348, that reply at r303 was so obviously sarcasm that I think you know it and are just pretending otherwise to try to force a fight.

They even signed it as "rolls eyes," for god's sake.

[quote] When do you ever see Clinton or Dubya or Carter issuing Executive Orders?

Well, to be fair, Dubya still issues them on the ranch for supper time. Nobody told him they don’t matter and he’s not President anymore.

Hey R303/R347 et al, you’re not witty, therefore nothing you post will ever be considered sarcasm.

Poor little cunt.

The FF button is coming in handy today.

We need a bigger allotment r353.

The latest buzz is that Ivanka thinking about Florida run for office there against that other queen Marco Rubio. Talk about another shit show.

tRump just vetoed the Defense Bill

I've never seen Melania happier than when they left for Mar A Lardo today. Just imagine, you hate being the First Lady.

Melania's over the knee boots were interesting.

Kind of a cross between high Nazi goose steppers and winter pole dancers.

These two:

Now that the fat orange cunt has left the White House hopefully he won't come back and won't attend the inauguration either. He won't be missed.

I have been saying that for months, he's going to leave for the holidays and never return. It's an easy out for him, calming he is still working and then why bother going back for just a couple of weeks in Jan. Perfect excuse to not attend the inauguration etc. No embarrassing escort out of the White House or formal transition to the new President. Classic Trump move.

Lindzay Belle is tickled pink she's bonded with Ted Cruz. It must be the beard.

Oh, my sweet baby daughter.

Yeah, he's not coming back. He pardoned everyone who might turn on him and offer evidence of Russian collusion, criminal activity, treason and sedition. Even the kid he claimed was the coffee boy he didn't know -- Papadopoulos.

Maddow believes he's gone for good, right now, and Scaramucci believes he'll come back and attend the inauguration because he can't stay away from all that attention. But he has said he would stage a Alternative Inauguration in Florida on January 20th to distract from Joe. But the only way it works is if the media covers him...and they will probably cover him minimally. Michael Cohen also believes he will not come back. I believe he will. Washington is where the action is. There aren't nearly enough cameras rolling in Florida. And you know, at noon on January 20th, the crews that cover him will evaporate. He'll still have Secret Service but not like before.

Don't worry about Trump. He has an estate in New Jersey. Not Bedminster Golf Club, but a real mansion. And the cyber attack he allowed will give him access to some great estates in Eastern Europe. He can always go to Slovenia.

R366, I believe he’s probably having a dilemma. On the one hand, he loves the attention. On the other, he’ll have to face Obama, the Clintons, and Biden as a loser. He cannot be gracious if his life depended on it, and I really think, in the end, that will be the reason he doesn’t attend the inauguration.

Trump will try to get Ginni Thomas' husband, Clarence, to swear him in, at Mar-a-Lago. If not, Jeanine Pirro will administer an oath to him.

[quote] that will be the reason he doesn’t attend the inauguration.

He’ll claim it’s a superspreader event and he doesn’t want to be there.

The irony will be lost on him.

He departs in shame. The end is nigh, his ruin about to begin. And he knows it.

Kill him, Mommy. Kill him!

It's a really big place. He and Melonie will just be moved into one of the other suites after Inauguration Day.

The pardon does not hold if it involves people who can incriminate him, because being pardoned also means they can't plea the 5th.

Dump is quite a dumbass.

I want him frogmarched out on camera.

I want them to "not be too nice" like he was fond of telling his security goons.

[quote] The pardon does not hold if it involves people who can incriminate him, because being pardoned also means they can't plea the 5th.

Now, what the fuck is that supposed to mean?

What he’s clumsily trying to say is if Trump pardons someone with whom he was complicit, that person can be compelled to testify against him in any proceeding and they do not have the protection against self-incrimination. In order to accept a pardon, it’s a tacit admission of guilt of the crime for which you were pardoned.

Let me give you an example.

You and I rob a bank together. I have pardon power and so I pardon you. Now they want to prosecute me. You’ll be called to testify and you cannot plead the 5th because you already accepted my pardon, effectively admitting you robbed the bank. If you lie and say it wasn’t me who was your accomplice, you’ll be charged with perjury.

So now I’m screwed, even though I pardoned you.

Taser him until he's smokin'.

^^This had me crying.

😂😂

R377, thank you, but I know all of that. I still don't know if that is what R373 was saying. Yours has merit, but his might not. And that might make it even more interesting.

And now I want to know what super powers you employed to divine his reasoning and message.

Please don't tell me you assumed!

I like your thinking, R378.

I want him to get numerous sessions of electro convulsive therapy at sufficent voltage to liquefy his brain and make smoke come out of his ears.

[quote] And now I want to know what super powers you employed to divine his reasoning and message.

No super power. I read his post and that’s the way I interpreted it.

On duty!

Champ and Major

R382 I had the same exact interpretation. You explained it perfectly. Merry Christmas all.

[quote] Taser him until he's smokin'.

Dontcha love the smell of bacon in the morning.

Yes, but with him it’d smell more like burnt hair.

Shave his head and put him in an orange jumpsuit. It won't match his face any more though, because no more spray tans in jail.

Lindsey Graham tweets about Trump stimulation.

^What’s Lezzie’s angle on this?

^JFC- You KNOW he was summoned/threatened. HAHA to have to fucking golf with Trump on xmas and then AGREE with the 2k. Fucking hysterical. I can't wait to hear what Rick Wilson has to say.

How fucking pathetic that the Trump would rather be on the golf course with someone who hates him than with his own family. What a piece of shit loser.

What’s the over under on Trump not coming back to Washington?

[quote]Trump would rather be on the golf course with someone who hates him than with his own family

Trump would rather be on the golf course with someone who hates him than with his own family who also hate him.

Graham in previous years spent Christmas with his sister and family in SC. Graham has a home there. Spending Christmas day and weekend with Trump in Mar-a-Lago is bizarre.

This gathering is not about uping the stimulus proposal to the $2,000 level. Rudy, among others, is also there.

Something nefarious is being planned.

[quote] Lindsey Graham tweets about Trump stimulation.

Ewwwww.

[quote] Something nefarious is being planned.

Hmmmm. Would you say that was “concerning”? Or that you’re “concerned”?

There is nothing they can do. The holiday silence has been a fucking blessing.

R397, doing nothing [italic]is[/italic] what they do. Doing nothing is what will shut down the government on Monday, effectively laying off thousands of government employees and curtailing innumerable services; it will mean no money for implementing a vaccination program for the foreseeable future; it will mean no unemployment benefits, no stimulus checks, no eviction moratoriums, etc., etc.

And meanwhile, DJT is replacing all the top agency jobs with cronies loyal to him, while an ongoing hack by the Russians is running rampant through all parts of the federal bureaucracy.

Doing nothing is exactly the problem.

Three more weeks. Calm down, honey.

The Tangerine Con will do much more damage in the next three weeks. Still, the end is soon. Biden needs to remove all that were hired by Trump as may be legal.

There's calm, and then there's alarm. I'm not panicking, but I am alarmed that so many of them are acting like this isn't incredibly upsetting to people who can hardly stand anymore.

He's trying to light a powderkeg.

Good luck to him. He’s leaving on January 20. Period. Alive or in a pine box. His choice.

[quote]He’s leaving on January 20. Period. Alive or in a pine box. His choice.

Shouldn't the people of our great nation have a voice in this?

I have always been pro-choice.

Pine comes from a pine tree.

Eager men line up at Mar-a-Lago to have photos made with DJT chosen legal advisors and scholars, Diamond & Silk.

Then, one heard about a holliday themed skit performed for the ballroom attendees by Lindsey, Rudy, Nestor, and Sidney. Alledgedly, the crowed roared with joy and laughter. I have no idea the roles each played.

His term expires on the 20th. Pure and simple. Whoever is the president, it won't be him.

Fag

R405, I'm guessing it ended with Lindsey and Sidney both swallowing and then yelling out "The Aristocrats!"

Jake Tapper and Kayleigh McEnany spar.

Kudos, Jake!

Where's that NBC jerk who hired Trump in the first place? Can't he district him like you with a rattle to a crying toddler in a playpen? Give him a reality show about being rich and famous and he'll toddle on down that road a while (till he croaks, hopefully soon)

Tear down the mountains, yeah scream and shout, you can say what you want to I'm not walking out. Stop all the rivers, push strike and kill I'm not gonna leave there's no way that I will...

* DISTRACT like you do with a rattle...

God why can't I learn to proofread...

Jake Tapper and Kayleigh McEnany spar.

Glad to see Tapper call out her bullshit & flat out say she's a waste of time to put on the air; if only that asshat Chuck Todd would get this memo

He still has time to bomb Iran and declare Marshall law (at a 20% after xmas discount) and rally his mercenaries. He has to be a "War President", he has to drop a bomb.

I can't think of any reason why he wouldn't.

R14 Maybe because he's a coward and is afraid of being called to an international tribunal - or be insulted by his besties Putin, MBS, and Kim Jong Un?

Martial not Marshall

That's the way we spell it around here Charlie Brown. The joke about the discount should have been a clue.

I'm looking forward to the Randy Rainbow version of And I am Telling You I'm not Going. But I don't think it can top this.

R416: Sit in the corner, look at the walls, and reflect on your error.

When you’ve finished, please place your DL card on the table by the door as you leave.

DL uses "marshall" in honor of Marshall Matt Dillon, who'd enforce martial law and make you like it. What a hunk!

R416 here, my bad. How the hell did I miss the obvious deliberate mistake…?

[quote] declare Marshall law [bold](at a 20% after xmas discount)[/bold]

Crying.

😂😂

So this thread has officially died?

The thread subject was dead on arrival, but that never stops a thread from having activity.

Is he still in Mar-a-Lago or whatever the fuck it’s called?

Golfing and hosting Miz Lindz made Trump's Mar-a-Lago holiday titillating.

No, r416, "Marshall Law" has decidedly NOT entered the DL lexicon. It gets deservedly corrected.

That was to r414, R418, and r419, trying to force the unfunny "Marshall" on DL.

The subject won't be dead until that fat cunt is out of the White House permanently R423.

Louie Gohmert, loves her Trump.

Louie Gohmert, loves her Trump.

At this point, I think they're trying to outdo each other to show who loves Dump more; I hope we see Kaleigh, jumping out the window of the WH screaming "it's all for you, Donnie!"

[quote] No, [R416], "Marshall Law" has decidedly NOT entered the DL lexicon. It gets deservedly corrected.

I agree. It’s not an accepted misspelling of a word like the other examples. It’s a different word and it’s just evidence of ignorance for anyone who uses it.

R378 has it right. I'd pay to see that.

I've been here since the early 2000s.

"Marshall law" as a deliberate misspelling of "Martial Law" goes back a long, long way.

Of course, this being the DL, it started as everybody piling on and ridiculing the first person to, in earnest, spell it that way.

I wonder if Trump will come back to the WH to prove he can, and then either he slinks out a week or so before Inauguration Day, or they have to drag him out kicking and screaming.

My guess is he will do whatever brings the most donations. The “billionaire” is now living on charity from poor people.

If you enter "Marshall Law" into DL's (admittedly shite) search system, you'll get 98 hits for the year 2020 alone.

It's been an accepted and deliberate DL misspelling for years. Like R433 I've been here for decades and seen it used for a long, long time. The fact that the Q-Anon people have taken it up lately is on them, not us.

The ignorance of some newcomers is equaled only by their certainty they're correct when, in fact, they are dead wrong.

[quote] It's been an accepted and deliberate DL misspelling for years.

It’s not a misspelling, it’s the use of a different and incorrect word. The same person using it over and over on DL to try to make it happen isn’t going to work. The instances by others were of people being ignorant of what the correct word is.

[quote] If you enter "Marshall Law" into DL's (admittedly shite) search system, you'll get 98 hits for the year 2020 alone.

Yes, because people constantly misuse the word “Marshall” — which can be a person’s first or last name — when they mean “martial” pr “Marshal.”

Girls... Marshall your cuntiness. No one cares.

R436, I’ve even seen it used ironically on Twitter at this point. It’s meant there to illustrate the Deplorables lack of literacy, understanding of the law, or any other kind of competence.

"the Deplorables lack of literacy" TEEHEE.

Attention Marshall: You are NO pron, cak, graxy, or WHET. You are simply an error.

R435 strains her spaghetti in a colander. Or should I say collander?

I love, I love, I love my colander girl

R441, I do not approve of that jandra of comment on this board.

Oh fank you R444. I looked up the definition of "jandra".

jandra a girl/guy who is extremely hot and loves sweaty sex they can make anybody wanna have some sweaty sex damn that was so much fun i might just have to call you a jandra

What about marital law? What happens with a married couple behind closed doors is nobody’s business…

R445, that is very interesting, but it's not the accepted Data Lounge definition of 'jandra.'

On Data Lounge, a jandra is a category of artistic composition, most often pertaining to film, characterized by similarities in form, style, or subject matter.

Good times coming. Stocking up on popcorn now. Fuck this sneaky, grifting-bastard.

Transition Day is a laborious process. The White House will need to be disinfected.

5 more days...

A few more until January 20. Keep your champagne chilled, r450.

R450 is counting up to Jan. 6, when the Senate is asked to confirm the electoral results and Trumpy wants a riot in the streets. That date is also the 12th day of Xmas when the Magi visited newborn Jesus in the manger (the Epiphany). Coincidence that both events are on the same date this year? Or Satanic plot?

The Orange Turd has cut his holiday vacation short and is now back at the White House. He actually thinks he has a chance. I honestly though it would just stay down there, what's the point of returning?

R453, he must have forgotten to steal something from the premises that he really wanted to take with him.

R453 - I kind of doubted that he wouldn’t return. He can’t help himself. He’s a sore loser, plus he needs to continue the narrative about a stolen election in order to ensure his followers are aligned.

“He needs to continue the narrative about a stolen election in order to ensure his followers continue donating to his grift”

Of course he came back. He can sniff out the shit there is to stir on January 6. And he wants to be there to stir it.

Why won't someone taser him until his hair catches fire?

[quote] That date is also the 12th day of Xmas when the Magi visited newborn Jesus in the manger

He did?!

Jared Kushner is leaking like a sieve to save his ass from the Trump debacle of the century. That front page NY Times story reeks of his desperation.

And yes, I'll cut and paste it as a Happy New Year's present to my fellow DLers, but WARNING: It'll turn your stomach to read the descriptions of Trumps behavior, not that your stomach hasn't been twirling already.

Trump’s Focus as the Pandemic Raged: What Would It Mean for Him?

President Trump missed his chance to show that he could rise to the moment in the final chapter of his presidency and meet the defining challenge of his tenure.

By Michael D. Shear, Maggie Haberman, Noah Weiland, Sharon LaFraniere and Mark Mazzetti

WASHINGTON — It was a warm summer Wednesday, Election Day was looming and President Trump was even angrier than usual at the relentless focus on the coronavirus pandemic.

“You’re killing me! This whole thing is! We’ve got all the damn cases,” Mr. Trump yelled at Jared Kushner, his son-in-law and senior adviser, during a gathering of top aides in the Oval Office on Aug. 19. “I want to do what Mexico does. They don’t give you a test till you get to the emergency room and you’re vomiting.”

Mexico’s record in fighting the virus was hardly one for the United States to emulate. But the president had long seen testing not as a vital way to track and contain the pandemic but as a mechanism for making him look bad by driving up the number of known cases.

And on that day he was especially furious after being informed by Dr. Francis S. Collins, the head of the National Institutes of Health, that it would be days before the government could give emergency approval to the use of convalescent plasma as a treatment, something Mr. Trump was eager to promote as a personal victory going into the Republican National Convention the following week.

“They’re Democrats! They’re against me!” he said, convinced that the government’s top doctors and scientists were conspiring to undermine him. “They want to wait!”

Throughout late summer and fall, in the heat of a re-election campaign that he would go on to lose, and in the face of mounting evidence of a surge in infections and deaths far worse than in the spring, Mr. Trump’s management of the crisis — unsteady, unscientific and colored by politics all year — was in effect reduced to a single question: What would it mean for him?

Sorry, Muriel may not be accepting my posts and I'm scared of her. I tried to cut and paste more of the article but I'm getting the NO red slash.

[quote]Mr. Trump’s management of the crisis — unsteady, unscientific and colored by politics all year — was in effect reduced to a single question: What would it mean for him?

All year? DUH. That's his approach to his entire damaged and mentally ill life. All of it. Every thing.

For those without a NY Times digital, if you haven't exhausted your free access of articles maybe you can read it.

R461, that MAY just be an anti-spam automation. I’ve been on sites that won’t let you immediately post numerous huge posts because the system automatically figures you’re spamming the board.

Try again in a minute or two. I’m fascinated by that article.

I’m not R460 but here’s some more:

The result, according to interviews with more than two dozen current and former administration officials and others in contact with the White House, was a lose-lose situation. Mr. Trump not only ended up soundly defeated by Joseph R. Biden Jr., but missed his chance to show that he could rise to the moment in the final chapter of his presidency and meet the defining challenge of his tenure.

Efforts by his aides to persuade him to promote mask wearing, among the simplest and most effective ways to curb the spread of the disease, were derailed by his conviction that his political base would rebel against anything that would smack of limiting their personal freedom. Even his own campaign’s polling data to the contrary could not sway him.

His explicit demand for a vaccine by Election Day — a push that came to a head in a contentious Oval Office meeting with top health aides in late September — became a misguided substitute for warning the nation that failure to adhere to social distancing and other mitigation efforts would contribute to a slow-rolling disaster this winter.

His concern? That the man he called “Sleepy Joe” Biden, who was leading him in the polls, would get credit for a vaccine, not him.

The government’s public health experts were all but silenced by the arrival in August of Dr. Scott W. Atlas, the Stanford professor of neuroradiology recruited after appearances on Fox News.

With Dr. Deborah L. Birx, the coordinator of the White House virus task force, losing influence and often on the road, Dr. Atlas became the sole doctor Mr. Trump listened to. His theories, some of which scientists viewed as bordering on the crackpot, were exactly what the president wanted to hear: The virus is overblown, the number of deaths is exaggerated, testing is overrated, lockdowns do more harm than good. As the gap between politics and science grew, the infighting that Mr. Trump had allowed to plague the administration’s response from the beginning only intensified. Threats of firings worsened the leadership vacuum as key figures undercut each other and distanced themselves from responsibility.

The administration had some positive stories to tell. Mr. Trump’s vaccine development program, Operation Warp Speed, had helped drive the pharmaceutical industry’s remarkably fast progress in developing several promising approaches. By the end of the year, two highly effective vaccines would be approved for emergency use, providing hope for 2021.

The White House rejected any suggestions that the president’s response had fallen short, saying he had worked to provide adequate testing, protective equipment and hospital capacity and that the vaccine development program had succeeded in record time.

“President Trump has led the largest mobilization of the public and private sectors since WWII to defeat Covid-19 and save lives,” said Brian Morgenstern, a White House spokesman.

But Mr. Trump’s unwillingness to put aside his political self-centeredness as Americans died by the thousands each day or to embrace the steps necessary to deal with the crisis remains confounding even to some administration officials. “Making masks a culture war issue was the dumbest thing imaginable,” one former senior adviser said.

His own bout with Covid-19 in early October left him extremely ill and dependent on care and drugs not available to most Americans, including a still-experimental monoclonal antibody treatment, and he saw firsthand how the disease coursed through the White House and some of his close allies.

Yet his instinct was to treat that experience not as a learning moment or an opportunity for empathy, but as a chance to portray himself as a Superman who had vanquished the disease. His own experience to the contrary, he assured a crowd at the White House just a week after his hospitalization, “It’s going to disappear; it is disappearing.”

Weeks after his own recovery, he would still complain about the nation’s preoccupation with the pandemic. “All you hear is Covid, Covid, Covid, Covid, Covid, Covid, Covid, Covid, Covid, Covid, Covid,” Mr. Trump said at one campaign stop, uttering the word 11 times.

In the end he could not escape it.

The Base Will Revolt’

By late July, new cases were at record highs, defying Mr. Trump’s predictions through the spring that the virus was under control, and deaths were spiking to alarming levels. Herman Cain, a 2012 Republican presidential candidate, died from the coronavirus; the previous month he had attended a Trump rally without a mask.

With the pandemic defining the campaign despite Mr. Trump’s efforts to make it about law and order, Tony Fabrizio, the president’s main pollster, came to the Oval Office for a meeting in the middle of the summer prepared to make a surprising case: that mask wearing was acceptable even among Mr. Trump’s supporters.

Arrayed in front of the Resolute Desk, Mr. Trump’s advisers listened as Mr. Fabrizio presented the numbers. According to his research, some of which was reported by The Washington Post, voters believed the pandemic was bad and getting worse, they were more concerned about getting sick than about the virus’s effects on their personal financial situation, the president’s approval rating on handling the pandemic had hit new lows and a little more than half the country did not think he was taking the situation seriously.

But what set off debate that day was Mr. Fabrizio’s finding that more than 70 percent of voters in the states being targeted by the campaign supported mandatory mask wearing in public, at least indoors, including a majority of Republicans.

Mr. Kushner, who along with Hope Hicks, another top adviser, had been trying for months to convince Mr. Trump that masks could be portrayed as the key to regaining freedom to go safely to a restaurant or a sporting event, called embracing mask-wearing a “no-brainer.”

Mr. Kushner had some reason for optimism. Mr. Trump had agreed to wear one not long before for a visit to Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, after finding one he believed he looked good in: dark blue, with a presidential seal.

Boy, r466, r467 you type fast!

But Mark Meadows, the White House chief of staff — backed up by other aides including Stephen Miller — said the politics for Mr. Trump would be devastating.

“The base will revolt,” Mr. Meadows said, adding that he was not sure Mr. Trump could legally make it happen in any case. That was all Mr. Trump needed to hear. “I’m not doing a mask mandate,” he concluded.

Aside from when he was sick, he was rarely seen in a mask again.

The president had other opportunities to show leadership rather than put his political fortunes first. After he recovered from his bout with the virus, some of his top aides, including Mr. Kushner and Jason Miller, a senior campaign strategist, thought the illness offered an opportunity to demonstrate the kind of compassion and resolve about the pandemic’s toll that Mr. Trump had so far failed to show.

When Mr. Trump returned from the hospital, his communications aides, with the help of Ivanka Trump, his daughter, urged him to deliver a national address in which he would say: “I had it. It was tough, it kicked my ass, but we’re going to get through it.”

He refused, choosing instead to address a boisterous campaign rally for himself from the balcony of the White House overlooking the South Lawn.

Mr. Trump never came around to the idea that he had a responsibility to be a role model, much less that his leadership role might require him to publicly acknowledge hard truths about the virus — or even to stop insisting that the issue was not a rampaging pandemic but too much testing.

Alex M. Azar II, the health and human services secretary, briefed the president this fall on a Japanese study documenting the effectiveness of face masks, telling him: “We have the proof. They work.” But the president resisted, criticizing Mr. Kushner for pushing them and again blaming too much testing — an area Mr. Kushner had been helping to oversee — for his problems.

“I’m going to lose,” Mr. Trump told Mr. Kushner during debate preparations. “And it’s going to be your fault, because of the testing.”

Mr. Morgenstern, the White House spokesman, said that exchange between the president and Mr. Kushner “never happened.”

Mr. Azar, who was sometimes one of the few people wearing a mask at White House events, privately bemoaned what he called a political, anti-mask culture set by Mr. Trump. At White House Christmas parties, Mr. Azar asked maskless guests to back away from him.

Divisions and Disagreements

The decision to run the government’s response out of the West Wing was made in the early days of the pandemic. The idea was to break down barriers between disparate agencies, assemble public health expertise and encourage quick and coordinated decision-making.

It did not work out like that, and by fall the consequences were clear.

Mr. Trump had always tolerated if not encouraged clashes among subordinates, a tendency that in this case led only to policy paralysis, confusion about who was in charge and a lack of a clear, consistent message about how to reduce the risks from the pandemic.

Keeping decision-making power close to him was another Trump trait, but in this case it also elevated the myriad choices facing the administration to the presidential level, bogging the process down in infighting, raising the political stakes and encouraging aides to jockey for favor with Mr. Trump.

The result at times was a systemwide failure that extended well beyond the president.

What we needed was a coordinated response that involved contributions from multiple agencies,” said Dr. Scott Gottlieb, who was commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration for the first two years of the Trump administration.

“Someone needed to pull that all together early,” he said. “It wasn’t the job of the White House, either. This needed to happen closer to the agencies. That didn’t happen on testing, or on a whole lot of other things.”

The relationship between Mr. Azar and Dr. Stephen M. Hahn, the commissioner of the Food and Drug Administration, grew increasingly tense; by early November, they were communicating only by text and in meetings.

Dr. Birx had lost the clout she enjoyed early on in the crisis and spent much of the summer and fall on the road counseling governors and state health officials.

Mr. Meadows was at odds with almost everyone as he sought to impose the president’s will on scientists and public health professionals. In conversations with top health officials, Mr. Meadows would rail against regulatory “bureaucrats” he thought were more interested in process than outcome.

Some of the doctors on the task force, including Dr. Anthony S. Fauci and Dr. Robert R. Redfield, were reluctant to show up in person at the White House, worried that the disdain there for mask wearing and social distancing would leave them at risk of infection.

Vice President Mike Pence was nominally in charge of the task force but was so cautious about getting crosswise with Mr. Trump as they battled for re-election that, in public at least, he became nearly invisible.

The debates inside the White House increasingly revolved around Dr. Atlas, who had no formal training in infectious diseases but whose views — which Mr. Trump saw him deliver on Fox News — appealed to the president’s belief that the crisis was overblown.

His arrival at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue was itself something of a mystery. Some aides said he was discovered by Kayleigh McEnany, the White House press secretary. Others said John McEntee, the president’s personnel chief, had been Googling for a Trump-friendly doctor who would be loyal.

Marc Short, Mr. Pence’s chief of staff, opposed hiring Dr. Atlas. But once the president and his team brought him in, Mr. Short insisted that Dr. Atlas have a seat at the task force table, hoping to avoid having him become yet another internal — and destructive — critic.

Once inside, Dr. Atlas used the perch of a West Wing office to shape the response. During a meeting in early fall, Dr. Atlas asserted that college students were at no risk from the virus. We should let them go back to school, he said. It’s not a problem.

Dr. Birx exploded. What aspect of the fact that you can be asymptomatic and still spread it do you not understand? she demanded. You might not die, but you can give it to somebody who can die from it. She was livid.

“Your strategy is literally going to cost us lives,” she yelled at Dr. Atlas. She attacked Dr. Atlas’s ideas in daily emails she sent to senior officials. And she was mindful of a pact she had made with Dr. Hahn, Dr. Fauci and Dr. Redfield even before Dr. Atlas came on board: They would stick together if one of them was fired for doing what they considered the right thing.

Health officials often had a hard time finding an audience in the upper reaches of the West Wing. In a mid-November task force meeting, they issued a dire warning to Mr. Meadows about the looming surge in cases set to devastate the country. Mr. Meadows demanded data to back up their claim.

One outcome of the meeting was a Nov. 19 news conference on the virus’s dire threat, the first in many weeks. But while Mr. Pence, who led the briefing, often urged Americans to “do their part” to slow the spread of the virus, he never directly challenged Mr. Trump’s hesitancy on masks and social distancing. At the briefing, he said that “decision making at the local level” was key, continuing a long pattern of the administration seeking to push responsibility to the states.

Mr. Azar had been cut out of key decision-making as early as February, when Mr. Pence took over the task force. Mr. Azar would complain to his associates that Mr. Pence’s staff and task force members went around him to issue orders to his subordinates.

On tenterhooks about his job status, Mr. Azar found an opening that offered a kind of redemption, steering his attention through the summer and fall to Operation Warp Speed, the government’s effort to support rapid development of a vaccine, lavishing praise on Mr. Trump and crediting him for nearly every advance.

Behind the scenes, Mr. Azar portrayed Dr. Hahn to the White House as a flailing manager — a complaint he also voiced about Dr. Redfield. In late September, he told the White House he was willing to fire Dr. Hahn, according to officials familiar with the offer.

For their part, Dr. Hahn, Dr. Redfield, Dr. Birx and other senior health officials saw Mr. Azar as crushing the morale of the agencies he oversaw as he sought to escape blame for a worsening crisis and to strengthen his own image publicly and with the White House.

Health officials on the task force several times took their complaints about Mr. Azar to Mr. Pence’s office, hoping for an intervention.

Caitlin B. Oakley, a spokeswoman for Mr. Azar, said he had “always stood up for balanced, scientific, public health information and insisted that science and data drive the decisions.”

Once eager to visit the White House, Dr. Hahn became disillusioned with what he saw as its efforts to politicize the work of the Food and Drug Administration, and he eventually shied away from task force meetings, fearing his statements there would leak.

If there was a bureaucratic winner in this West Wing cage match, it was Dr. Atlas.

He told Mr. Trump that the right way to think about the virus was how much “excess mortality” there was above what would have been expected without a pandemic.

Mr. Trump seized on the idea, often telling aides that the real number of dead was no more than 10,000 people.

As of Thursday, 342,577 Americans had died from the pandemic.

Trump vs. Vaccine Regulators

In an Oval Office meeting with senior health officials on Sept. 24, the president made explicit what he had long implied: He wanted a vaccine before the election, according to three people who witnessed his demand.

Pfizer’s chief executive had been encouraging the belief that the company could deliver initial results by late October. But Mr. Trump’s aides tried in vain to make clear that they could not completely control the timing.

Dr. Fauci and Dr. Hahn reminded West Wing officials that a company’s vaccine trial results were a “black box,” impossible to see until an independent monitoring board revealed them. A vaccine that did not go through the usual, rigorous government approval process would be a “Pyrrhic victory,” Mr. Azar told them. It would be a shot no one would take.

Dr. Moncef Slaoui, the scientific leader of Operation Warp Speed, said the president never asked him to deliver a vaccine on a specific timetable. But he said Mr. Trump sometimes complained in meetings that “it was not going to happen before the election and it will be ‘Sleepy Joe’” who would ultimately get credit.

Thanks, everybody,

In late October, science and regulations worked against Mr. Trump’s waning hopes for pre-Election Day good news. At the F.D.A., scientists had refined the standards for authorizing a vaccine for emergency use. And at Pfizer, executives realized that the agency was unlikely to authorize its vaccine on the basis of so few Covid-19 cases among its clinical trial volunteers.

They decided to wait for more data, a delay of up to a week.

When Pfizer announced on Nov. 9 — two days after Mr. Biden clinched his victory — that its vaccine was a stunning success, Mr. Trump was furious. He lashed out at the company, Dr. Hahn and the F.D.A., accusing “deep state regulators” of conspiring with Pfizer to slow approval until after the election.

The president’s frustration with the pace of regulatory action would continue into December, as the F.D.A. went through a time-consuming process of evaluating Pfizer’s data and then that of a second vaccine maker, Moderna.

On Dec. 11, Mr. Meadows exploded during a morning call with Dr. Hahn and Dr. Peter Marks, the agency’s top vaccine regulator. He accused Dr. Hahn of mismanagement and suggested he resign, then slammed down the phone. That night, the F.D.A. authorized the Pfizer vaccine.

In the weeks that followed, Mr. Pence, Mr. Azar, Dr. Fauci and other health officials rolled up their sleeves to be vaccinated for the cameras.

Mr. Trump, who after contracting Covid-19 had declared himself immune, has not announced plans to be vaccinated.

R480 was the end.

Again, thank you ,r481 and whoever else cut and pasted.

Trump's behavior as the POTUS is beyond any words to describe it. Despicable doesn't even begin to describe it.

I would bet my fully paid-for house that both Mr. and Mrs. Kushner were main sources for that reporting. This is about survival. This is about about their children and what place in the future they will have as Americans.

They're panicking.

That article makes it sound like Trump is as afraid of his base as everyone else is, but I don't buy that for a second. He can do no wrong in their eyes.

R483, I don’t think he’s afraid of them. I think he just wants to do whatever they want because he has no conscience and doesn’t care if it hurts people.

I would bet my fully paid-for house that both Mr. and Mrs. Kushner were main sources for that reporting. This is about survival. This is about about their children and what place in the future they will have as Americans.

Oh, me too! It was so obvious I hope that they got bi-line credit for the article (along with Dr. Birx, who is also working on some serious revisionist history!)

r485, yes Birx, Fauci, everybody except Meadows and Trump, at least those two for this damning story.

For previous stories, Trump himself and Meadows have been said to have leaked to Haberman and she's agreed with them not to attribute any quotes or info to them. I would not be surprised if that were true.

She's been in his dog house, but Trump can't resist her or the NY Times.

But this article is so damning I doubt either Trump or Medows had any part of it.

[quote] I would bet my fully paid-for house

Hey there. How YOU doin’ hoochie?

*wink*

[quote]I hope that they got bi-line credit for the article

Oh, dear!

[quote] Mr. Azar, who was sometimes one of the few people wearing a mask at White House events, privately bemoaned what he called a political, anti-mask culture set by Mr. Trump.

Yeah, but not publicly, you fucking pussy.

[quote] At White House Christmas parties, Mr. Azar asked maskless guests to back away from him.

Yet you still attended them, didn’t you? You’re a spineless piece of shit who sold your professional credentials to a dictator. You bet wrong and I hope your future career endeavors reflects that.

Alex Azar doesn't have professional credentials. He's a businessman and politician and former executive of pharmaceutical companies. He's a user and a leech. He is part and parcel of those Republican Christmas parties Trump threw, not some feckless victim.

[quote]I would bet my fully paid-for house

Age?

Weight?

Cock Size?

Marital Status?

How much longer do you have to live?

Victim no, feckless yes.

lol, r487 and r491

Link to an archived copy of the NYT article:

Lawrence Wright covers more - and at some length - of the same ground in this week's New Yorker.

Thank you, r495.

I can’t wait until the unabashed behind the scenes books start coming out about this shitshow called the trjmp administration.

He's going to leave the country without Melanoma. What are Ivankunt and Jerkoffed going to do?

“President Trump could be planning a trip to Scotland to avoid attending his successor Joe Biden’s inauguration,” the Sunday Post reports. “Prestwick airport has been told to expect the arrival…

So sorry for the repeated information - I often skip links

Scotland or someplace else. I'd probably choose Serbia or Montenegro.

He wouldn’t be welcomed here.

This is how he'll go...start around the 1:12 mark.

No hero is borne of lies.