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The Dakotas are 'as bad as it gets anywhere in the world' for COVID-19

South Dakota welcomed hundreds of thousands of visitors to a massive motorcycle rally this summer, declined to cancel the state fair and still doesn't require masks. Now its hospitals are filling up and the state's COVID-19 death rate is among the worst in the world.

The situation is similarly dire in North Dakota: The state's governor recently even moved to allow health care workers who have tested positive for COVID-19 to continue working if they don't show symptoms. It's a controversial policy recommended by the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in a crisis situation where hospitals are short-staffed.

And now, after months of resisting a statewide mask mandate, North Dakota Gov. Doug Burgum changed course late Friday, ordering that masks be worn statewide and imposing several business restrictions.

“Our situation has changed, and we must change with it,” Burgum said in a video message posted late Friday. Doctors and nurses “need our help, and they need it now.”

North and South Dakota now face a predictably tragic reality that health experts tell USA TODAY could have been largely prevented with earlier public health actions.

Pandemics require people to give up some of their freedoms for the greater good, University of British Columbia psychiatry professor Steven Taylor told USA TODAY. In conservative regions like the Dakotas and elsewhere in the world, it's common to see pushback like an “allergic reaction to being told what to do,” said Taylor, author of "The Psychology of Pandemics".

But months of lax regulations have contributed to a growing public health crisis in the Dakotas.

The rates of infection and deaths per capita in South Dakota and previously restriction-free North Dakota are what Dr. Ali Mokdad would expect to see in a war-torn nation, not here.

“How could we allow this in the United States to happen?" asked Mokdad, a professor at the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington in Seattle. “This is unacceptable by any standards.”

North Dakota's COVID-19 death rates per capita in the past week are similar to those in the hardest-hit countries in the world right now – Belgium, the Czech Republic and Slovenia – according to New York Times data. That data as of Saturday also places South Dakota's per capita deaths among the world's highest rates.

And there's nowhere in the U.S. where COVID-19 deaths are more common than in the Dakotas, according to data published by The COVID Tracking Project.

It's a situation “as bad as it gets anywhere in the world," Dr. William Haseltine told USA TODAY.

Mokdad pointed to a number of factors that have made both North and South Dakota vulnerable to the virus' spread. He cited higher rates of preexisting conditions and economic inequality in the region, in addition to health care that lags behind the U.S. standard.

But the lack of regulation from the states' leaders is an ongoing and fixable problem, Mokdad said.

Haseltine, president of ACCESS Health International and author of My Lifelong Fight Against Disease, blamed politicians – especially South Dakota Republican Gov. Kristi Noem – for ignoring public health measures that have curbed the spread of the virus elsewhere in the world.

Noem has cast doubt on whether wearing masks in public is effective, saying she would leave it up to the people to decide. She has said the virus can’t be stopped.

Burgum, also a Republican, had pleaded with people to wear masks and praised local towns and cities that have ordered masks be worn. He had avoided requiring masks and refused to enforce limits on social gatherings and business occupancies until late Friday.

The new mandate requires residents to wear face coverings in indoor businesses and indoor public settings, as well as outdoor public settings where physical distancing isn’t possible. The directive goes into effect Saturday and will last until Dec. 13.

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by Anonymousreply 88November 19, 2020 9:39 PM

Noem and Burgum have touted ideals of limited government, and Noem has express concern about how decisive state action could be an example of a government overreach.

But Haseltine framed public health actions another way: Not enacting them is like standing in the way of an ambulance – the ambulance being proven health measures like mask mandates and social gathering restrictions. Even worse, encouraging large-scale events in a pandemic as South Dakota has done is equivalent to manslaughter, Haseltine said.

On Friday, Noem's office responded to President-elect Joe Biden's proposed nationwide lockdown and mask mandate by saying she has no intention of using state resources to enforce any federal COVID-19 orders.

"It's a good day for freedom. Joe Biden realizes that the president doesn't have the authority to institute a mask mandate," said Ian Fury, communications specialist for Noem. "For that matter, neither does Gov. Noem, which is why she has provided her citizens with the full scope of the science and trusted them to make the best decisions for themselves and their loved ones."

Fury said in an emailed statement that a third of the state's hospital beds are open and 20% are used by COVID-19 patients. "We have availability in all regions of our state," the statement reads.

In response to critics, including Andrew Cuomo – New York's Democratic governor whose handling of the pandemic has been mostly praised by many public health experts – Noem remained defiant.

"I appreciated that President (Donald) Trump gave us the flexibility to do the right thing in our state, and we'll continue to do that. He let me do my job," Noem told ABC's George Stephanopoulos on Sunday.

Noem also criticized New York's total death rate from the pandemic, which is higher than South Dakota's. Fury said South Dakota's death rate is below the national average.

Mokdad said such comparisons are misleading, given how early and hard New York City was hit this spring.

“You in the Dakotas … you knew it was coming,” Mokdad said. “You denied it ... even today you are denying it.”

The Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation's influential model predicts daily deaths in North and South Dakota will peak, then decrease in coming weeks, but total deaths will more than double by March 1.

In two states with less than 2 million people between them, more than 3,000 are expected to die of COVID-19 by then.

Mokdad and Haseltine said that number is not fixed. Widespread mask adoption and a serious commitment to physical distancing in the Dakotas can still save lives.

If Burgum's mandate works and the entire state begins wearing masks, about 250 lives will be saved, the IHME model estimates. Masks can save a similar number in South Dakota, according to the model.

Without statewide enforcement in South Dakota, some local leaders have sought to enact local rules – particularly mask mandates.

"I'll tell you what, I'm scared," said Sioux Falls City Councilor Curt Soehl as he fought a failed battle for a mask mandate in South Dakota's largest city. "I'm ... scared. Two daughters that are nurses. Two son-in-laws that work in health care. I have eight grandchildren. And I'm scared for them. And I'm scared that when I go to bed tonight – if I do tonight – when I go, that I haven't done enough."

by Anonymousreply 1November 16, 2020 5:20 AM

South Dakota has been running a surprising amount of tourist ads recently too I've noticed. Stuff like we are so much more than Mt. Rushmore.

by Anonymousreply 2November 16, 2020 5:21 AM

I dont care

by Anonymousreply 3November 16, 2020 5:22 AM

That Kristi Noem is rising quick on the National Most Loathed Cunt List.

by Anonymousreply 4November 16, 2020 5:27 AM

i don't give a damn about those states. I really don't. Their ignorance and arrogance brought them to this mess.

by Anonymousreply 5November 16, 2020 5:29 AM

In areas where hospitals are overwhelmed, it should be legal to deny care to anti-maskers, partiers, and motorcycle rally attendees.

by Anonymousreply 6November 16, 2020 5:29 AM

A facebook friend just drove across the country. He said it was scary how few people were wearing masks.

Where I am everyone has them. You can't even enter stores without them.

by Anonymousreply 7November 16, 2020 5:43 AM

And yet they voted for Trump even harder than in 2016. Fuck them.

by Anonymousreply 8November 16, 2020 6:58 AM

[quote]In two states with less than 2 million people between them, more than 3,000 are expected to die of COVID-19

Yeah, I really don't care.

by Anonymousreply 9November 16, 2020 7:05 AM

[Quote] similar to those in the hardest-hit countries in the world right now – Belgium, the Czech Republic and Slovenia

Bel Ami, no!

by Anonymousreply 10November 16, 2020 7:31 AM

I had a coworker who just returned from visiting relatives in South Dakota and said he couldn't get out of there fast enough. He felt very uncomfortable knowing the Covid infections were high and yet people were walking around without masks.

I would hate to be a healthcare worker in those states.

by Anonymousreply 11November 16, 2020 7:56 AM

Maybe Mitch McConnell can help them.

by Anonymousreply 12November 16, 2020 8:25 AM

Awwww, just as Kristi Noem is bombarding us with TV ads and obviously positioning herself for GOP POTUS 2024.

That's A Shame©

by Anonymousreply 13November 16, 2020 8:30 AM

The point is, 3,000 deaths really doesn’t matter to these people. As long as it’s one here and one there (rather than in a single cluster), it won’t really impact them or their electors. Because pro-life only applies to controlling a woman’s body. Because ‘freedom’. Because ‘Biden is a communist’. The best thing would be to adopt a Trumpist approach, and build a wall. To keep them in.

by Anonymousreply 14November 16, 2020 9:03 AM

[quote] That Kristi Noem is rising quick on the National Most Loathed Cunt List.

I totally agree!

She's up there with Ann Coulter, that QAnon nutjob from Georgia, McAninny, Ivanka, the Huckabeast, and Jeanine Pirro.

by Anonymousreply 15November 16, 2020 10:37 AM

R15 Don't forget G!

by Anonymousreply 16November 16, 2020 10:42 AM

[quote] Stuff like we are so much more than Mt. Rushmore.

Yes, the COVID capital of the world!

by Anonymousreply 17November 16, 2020 11:29 AM

Ali Mokdad? Doesn’t sound very American to me. If you don’t like it here go back to whatever shithole you come from! MAGA!

by Anonymousreply 18November 16, 2020 12:15 PM

It's at the point now that the National Guard needs to be rallied in certain areas to force people to follow the guidelines advised by the CDC and other medical entities. I hate to say it but it seems like it's going to take some people getting shot to make people pay attention.

by Anonymousreply 19November 16, 2020 12:19 PM

let them diie, I hope things get even worse for them .

by Anonymousreply 20November 16, 2020 4:14 PM

Let Darwinism play out.

by Anonymousreply 21November 16, 2020 6:03 PM

Sad!

Too bad they're not super human like me.

by Anonymousreply 22November 17, 2020 8:38 PM

[quote] South Dakota nurse says dying Covid patient still think it's fake. A South Dakota nurse whose tweets went viral over the weekend says the hardest part of her job is convincing some critically ill patients that they really do have COVID-19. “Their last dying words are, ‘This can’t be happening, it’s not real,” Jodi Doering said on CNN. “Even after positive results come back, they don’t believe it.”

[quote] South Dakota is one of the nation’s worst coronavirus hot spots, but Gov. Kristi Noem has downplayed the threat of the virus and refused to put a mask mandate in place. Doering says some of her patients are also in denial, willing to believe almost anything else has made them so sick. “People want it to be influenza, they want it to be pneumonia, we’ve even had people say, ‘I think it could be lung cancer,’” she said. The nurse said that when she offers to hook some patients up with family by FaceTime for a last conversation, they say, ‘No, because I’m doing fine.’” She said the attitude is taking a toll on health-care workers. ‘It’s like a movie where the credits never roll,” she said.

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by Anonymousreply 23November 18, 2020 3:20 AM

[quote]"For that matter, neither does Gov. Noem, which is why she has provided her citizens with the full scope of the science and trusted them to make the best decisions for themselves and their loved ones."

Has she ever actually MET any of these citizens?

by Anonymousreply 24November 18, 2020 3:57 AM

Good - they ignored it - now they can all die.

by Anonymousreply 25November 18, 2020 4:03 AM

I feel bad for the decent people there. Even the reddest states have dems/sane people. They are brought down by their neighbors.

by Anonymousreply 26November 18, 2020 4:06 AM

Why would Noem be luring people to South Dakota, knowing how bad the Covid cases are getting in that state?

She's deranged.

by Anonymousreply 27November 18, 2020 6:37 PM

NYT's Mike Baker: If states were countries, here's the global ranking of new cases per capita this past week:

1 North Dakota

2 South Dakota

3 Iowa

4 Wyoming

5 Nebraska

6 Wisconsin

7 Minnesota

8 Montana

9 Illinois

10 Montenegro

11 Kansas

12 Luxembourg

13 Utah

14 Indiana

by Anonymousreply 28November 18, 2020 6:54 PM

South Dakota has been running a surprising amount of tourist ads recently too I've noticed. Stuff like we are so much more than Mt. Rushmore.

"South Dakota: Come for the Scenery - Stay for the COVID & A One Way Trip to the ICU!"

Brought to you by SD Bureau of Tourism (cough, cough)

by Anonymousreply 29November 18, 2020 6:59 PM

These so called expert people don’t know what they are talking about! I studied epidemiology at the Trailside Tap in Watertown, I know viruses! People want freedom! 🤡

by Anonymousreply 30November 18, 2020 7:03 PM

These folks only have themselves to blame for what happens to them. Noehm clearly is in favor of herd immunity and anyone who dies or has lasting health effects is simply roadkill in support of her pathological selfishness, and that of much of the population in her state.

Let them suffer. Some people only learn the hard way.

by Anonymousreply 31November 18, 2020 7:06 PM

Some of those South Dakota tourism ads were paid for by pandemic relief funds that Congress allocated to the states. Noem's excuse was that she was using the funds to help offset the economic damage caused by the pandemic.

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by Anonymousreply 32November 18, 2020 7:08 PM

Noem has already begun her campaign for the 2024 Republican nomination, and this extreme COVID denialism is a cornerstone of her platform.

by Anonymousreply 33November 18, 2020 7:08 PM

Noem 2024: "If I'm willing to kill thousands of my own citizens, imagine what I'll do to China!"

by Anonymousreply 34November 18, 2020 7:11 PM

R15 Heeeyyy, don't *buuuurp* lump me in with those *hic* cunts!

by Anonymousreply 35November 18, 2020 7:11 PM

Take them out, tornado alley.

by Anonymousreply 36November 18, 2020 7:13 PM

God is punishing them for voting Republican

by Anonymousreply 37November 18, 2020 7:16 PM

I imagine that the Dakotas would be worst in the world for just about anything.

by Anonymousreply 38November 18, 2020 7:29 PM

Noem 2024: "If I'm willing to kill thousands of my own citizens, imagine what I'll do to China!"

Cruz 2024: "Step off, bitch! I spent all my time bootlicking Dear Leader while trailers of dead piled up in my state and hospitals turned people away. No one does COVID like Texans, y'all!"

by Anonymousreply 39November 18, 2020 7:48 PM

North Dakota has to be the dreariest state to drive through in the entire country.

by Anonymousreply 40November 18, 2020 7:52 PM

Gov. Kristi needs to be ambushed with a kick to the vajeene-clavicle

by Anonymousreply 41November 18, 2020 7:53 PM

This nurse says they're angrily refusing to have calls with loved ones before being intubated. Because covid isn't real.

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by Anonymousreply 42November 18, 2020 7:57 PM

[quote] This nurse says they're angrily refusing to have calls with loved ones before being intubated. Because covid isn't real.

Unfuckingbelievable at R42.

Deplorable until their dying breath. To the very end.

How poetic.

by Anonymousreply 43November 18, 2020 8:00 PM

Nothing of value is being lost. States full of deplorables.

by Anonymousreply 44November 18, 2020 8:02 PM

R40, Kansas and Nebraska are high on the list.

I made the drive from near Tulsa, Oklahoma to a small town in Wyoming, where some relatives live, just once. Thought I’d see the countryside and experience it.

Never again. Now I fly, no matter how much it costs. (Pre-Covid, anyway). Although I will say the Badlands are stunning, and Deadwood, while very touristy, was interesting.

by Anonymousreply 45November 18, 2020 8:02 PM

Someone being in denial about impending death is hardly particular to deplorables.

by Anonymousreply 46November 18, 2020 8:03 PM

Well, if you watch the video at r42, you'll hear that these patients say they must have pneumonia or lung cancer, r46. So, it's not dying that they're in denial about.

by Anonymousreply 47November 18, 2020 8:06 PM

I agree with many other posters. The people of the Dakotas have elected idiots into office and share their views. Now they are reaping what they sowed. They should not be allowed to leave these states - the National Guard should set up perimeters and only allow non-residents to leave.

I do care about the Native Americans and hope they have taken measures to protect their tribal members from the stupid white people of S and N Dakota. I know that one tribe set up roadblocks to keep the Sturgis idiots away from tribal land.

by Anonymousreply 48November 18, 2020 8:07 PM

How can that be? They have bibles and guns.

by Anonymousreply 49November 18, 2020 8:09 PM

Yes, r48, and Buffalo Barbie tried to get those roadblocks removed, because nothing makes white South Dakotans happier than watching a bunch of Indians die. Same as it ever was.

by Anonymousreply 50November 18, 2020 8:09 PM

I really don't care, do u?

by Anonymousreply 51November 18, 2020 8:11 PM

[quote]"South Dakota: Come for the Scenery - Stay for the COVID & A One Way Trip to the ICU!"

" ... and don't forget to pack a ventilator!"

by Anonymousreply 52November 18, 2020 8:15 PM

These plains states are going to be a mess the next year or ago. They’ll be the last ones to shake this off.

by Anonymousreply 53November 18, 2020 8:15 PM

Two**

by Anonymousreply 54November 18, 2020 8:15 PM

Native American curse for DAPL.

by Anonymousreply 55November 18, 2020 8:16 PM

Eat death, nazi pigs

by Anonymousreply 56November 18, 2020 8:17 PM

The Lakota tribe must be getting hit hard.

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by Anonymousreply 57November 18, 2020 8:55 PM

Just wait until people run out of the Dakotas when things get worse, and spread the virus along the way. This virus thrives all people being stupid and selfish.

by Anonymousreply 58November 18, 2020 8:58 PM

Someone needs to sneak a webcam into the SD ICU where the Covid hoaxtards keep on denying they have it while they die of it. The feelgood comedy hit of the holiday season!

by Anonymousreply 59November 18, 2020 9:20 PM

Barron got it. He got the sniffles. Then it was over.

by Anonymousreply 60November 18, 2020 9:28 PM

[quote]The Dakotas are 'as bad as it gets anywhere in the world' for COVID-19

SEAN, GET ME THE FUCK OUT OF HERE!!!!!

by Anonymousreply 61November 18, 2020 9:29 PM

No need for shooting R19, they can just wait for their hospital bed in a tent, sharing a bathroom with 20 other patients.

by Anonymousreply 62November 18, 2020 9:36 PM

Of course they’re going to be running over to other states, because rural hospitals aren’t even prepared during normal times. Minnesota, Wisconsin, Nebraska, Kansas, even as far away as Chicago—these places are going to have Dakota Covid refugees.

by Anonymousreply 63November 18, 2020 11:50 PM

Nope, we’re full up. Take care of your own diseased nazis.

by Anonymousreply 64November 18, 2020 11:54 PM

North Dacovid.

by Anonymousreply 65November 18, 2020 11:57 PM

R61 Yoko, you in danger, gurl!

by Anonymousreply 66November 19, 2020 12:09 AM

Wot? We're okay right?

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by Anonymousreply 67November 19, 2020 12:27 AM

If they all die, who gets their electoral votes, OP?

by Anonymousreply 68November 19, 2020 12:38 AM

That's the infuriating thing, r68: even if 90% of the people in the Dakotas die, they'll still have 4 Senators.

by Anonymousreply 69November 19, 2020 1:00 AM

R57 they ate getting hit hard. I have relatives up in Pine Ridge and some older family members have it right now. What another poster said is true; tributes have tried to put up roadblocks (their sovereign right) but the governor AND the county sheriffs are just being absolute assholes. That's the thing with reservations; they are a tribal land but there are public roads through them. So of course you end up with whites trying to fight Native folks at roadblocks because Whitey can't get his cheap cigs on the reservation. Navajo, Lakota, so many tribes have been trying to isolate themselves but white settlers will do whatever they fucking want because MURICA. Another settler scheme to disregard Native folks. Native folks are getting hit hardest with COVID.

by Anonymousreply 70November 19, 2020 1:24 AM

Everybody’s free to feel good! 😷

by Anonymousreply 71November 19, 2020 3:28 AM

Do not vote republican. The republican party are sociopaths, fucking fascists and killing Americans. They are trying to gut medicare for the American People right now, during a fucking pandemic.

by Anonymousreply 72November 19, 2020 3:33 AM

[r 70] so are you Lakota? Sorry this going on, there’s not a lot of health card in the black hills and Pine Ridge. How are your relatives doing?

by Anonymousreply 73November 19, 2020 4:08 AM

Hi Lakota!

by Anonymousreply 74November 19, 2020 4:11 AM

GOP logic = as long as I don't get sick, then the virus doesn't exist and as long as I don't die, then it's no big deal.

by Anonymousreply 75November 19, 2020 4:14 AM

Trying not to laugh at that tragedy. Hahaha..hey, I tried.

by Anonymousreply 76November 19, 2020 4:16 AM

Trying not to laugh at that tragedy. Hahaha..hey, I tried.

by Anonymousreply 77November 19, 2020 4:16 AM

At the height of the pandemic in Wuhan I remember seeing footage of crying, yammering infected chinapeople literally being dragged into quarantine by officials in hazmat suits. Is that where we are headed?

by Anonymousreply 78November 19, 2020 4:22 AM

Here’s the video

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by Anonymousreply 79November 19, 2020 5:07 AM

R78 No, we are headed to people dying everywhere and their corpses stuffed into mobile morgues. China did the right thing and saved a lot of people. Something that will never happen here for sure.

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by Anonymousreply 80November 19, 2020 5:28 AM

R70 here. I'm not Lakota, my late brother had a child with a Lakota woman, they have been a big part of my life for many years. Some of my best memories are with their family. My niece is now a successful business owner, my brother would be proud. I have been exposed to a lot of the news on their FB pages. Their family members who are sick right now are doing ok. Thanks for asking.

by Anonymousreply 81November 19, 2020 5:45 AM

Oh no, I hope Yoko is okay.

by Anonymousreply 82November 19, 2020 5:53 AM

I love you, r74, and would give you 1,000 W&Ws if I could.

by Anonymousreply 83November 19, 2020 7:06 AM

Don't forget me, R15!

by Anonymousreply 84November 19, 2020 7:13 AM

Typically the Lakota do not vote as they do not consider themselves USA citizens.

by Anonymousreply 85November 19, 2020 11:58 AM

I really hope you're not blaming them for what's going on in the Dakotas, R85.

This is squarely on the shoulders of their elected Republican state government, and the Republican federal government that they voted for in 2016.

by Anonymousreply 86November 19, 2020 1:19 PM

I love this place!

by Anonymousreply 87November 19, 2020 1:47 PM

R86. Not at all. Just pointing out an interesting fact. I work in UN human rights bodies and have come to know indigenous leaders around the world. The Lakota explained their take on citizenship and other issues to me

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