Saved By The Bell on Peacock 🦚

ROFL Josie Torah

She got Lens’d

I have to admit, this made me laugh a few times.

Is Mario Lopez going to be on this? Who will he play? His character from back then?

💩

Hoping for a very special Parkland episode.

It looks hysterical. Plus, there's no Screech or Belding. The scene where the acapella group is singing wooo is pretty funny.

R3, in the usual SBTB story line cliche endings, he's now the Phys Ed coach.

They worked really hard to make sure you didn't see JJ Totah more than 3 seconds at a time. Didn't work. You can still see he's a tranny from space.

Also visible from space- the acapella joke.

Both Mark and Mario are starting to look a lot older and both look like they have fillers. Elizabeth looks good but way too smooth.

"Josie Torah’s sex change took real well! "

Yes, I agree.

I don't like the thought of an alternate universe where Zack Morris is the Governor of California.

It does look more entertaining than that shitty 90210 reboot/whatever that was.

Looks abysmal.

Now only Dustin Diamond is the missing link.

Every time I see Josie Torah, I think of that song from Hamilton: You’ll Be Back.

I can’t get Peacock on my Samsung TV.

R15 consider that a blessing.

That it some tragic plastic surgery on the original cast's faces.

Love the Youtube comment:

[quote] Trailer starts: “I’m so excited, I’m so excited!”

[quote] Trailer ends: “I’m so...scared

So....

R18 how bad is it?

Did Totah get the operation and get castrated?

Is the subscription worth it?

[quote]Did Totah get the operation and get castrated?

Yes. She keeps a rolled up copy of the Hollywood Reporter shoved up there so it doesn't heal funny.

[quote] Is the subscription worth it?

Peacock is free.

A friend recommended that I give the first episode a try, so I gave in and watched it yesterday. I was genuinely shocked at how clever it is; like a cross between The Brady Bunch Movie and 30 Rock. And what a weird thing to hear the word "dickmatized" in the halls of Bayside.

That said, I doubt I’ll watch any more. SBTB was never for my generation. But kudos to everyone for actually coming up with a creative approach to rebooting the brand.

R23, what about Peacock Premium?

[quote]Peacock is free.

Free 'cock. Who could resist?

Was Screech too busy with his scat porn career to be in this?

What will Josie’s next thirst trap move be when the attention wears off? You know the trans girls love high drama. She’ll probably accuse Jeffrey Tambor of abusing her like that fucking psycho Trace Lysette.

The original was terrible and they found a way to make it worse. Yes, I was a child when it was on the air. Even then, it was stupid homophobic drivel produced by people allied with Pat fucking Robertson. Putting trannies on it only doubles the homophobia.

I hate streaming media. I hate 2020. I hate 90s nostalgia. I want my adulthood back.

R29 yeah I think it's hilarious how they have a trans character and no one bats an eye, but in the old show, they never once tried to have a gay character or even moment or episode

People still have such disdain for gay MEN, even Hollywood which was CREATED by gay MEN. It really factors into the fact that straight people don't really like them and unlike lesbians, male homosexuality is not and will never be thought of as "hot" or a "fetish" for straights

[quote]The original was terrible.

Fuck you.

So is the target audience for this Gen Xers looking for nostalgia with added snark? Or is it for teenagers/tweens?

[quote] Fuck you. —Miss Bliss

Sorry, Hayley. You were great in those old Disney movies of yours, but you were better off getting fired from this mess of a show.

His character is stupid but incredibly hot.

The new Zack and Slater are very hot

It's funny how the creators of SBTB were Evangelicals. The teen cast was pretty sexualized, the guys always shirtless and the girls in swimsuits or midriffs and short shorts/skirts. I'm pretty sure Slater and Zack made a lot of young gay boys discover themselves.

In other words, it resembled no actual high school in the United States of America past, present, or future.

I kinda assumed Saved by the Bell was supposed to be more of the world of rich high schoolers in Southern California and we know everyone in SoCal is ridiculously pretty and happy.

[quote]like a cross between The Brady Bunch Movie and 30 Rock.

The reboot was conceived by a 30 Rock writer, so that's not surprising.

They seem to have it be half a parody of SBTB and half an issues-oriented dramedy like Degrassi. And it...kinda works?

[quote]and we know everyone in SoCal is ridiculously pretty and happy.

That's news to us!

$5 says Jessie's kid turns out to be Slater's son too.

A high school in 2020 without any gay students?

Kind of weird that they decided to switch the original show's format (multi camera vs. single camera).

Dear New Zack..yes.

Makes me glad I never watch this tired nonsense. Who's the audience for it?

I wasn't planning on watching it until I heard the 30 Rock comparisons. I liked it. Decent way to kill a few hours and the boys are PRETTY. Dustin Diamond is obviously persona non grata, but why no cameo for Mr Belding?

Screech must feel terrible that he's been excluded. This is so mean.

R42 In California no less?

This show was prob greenlight because Cobra Kai became a sucess on Youtube and then a huge hit when it was moved to Netflix.

The cast for the reboot are noticeably older than the OG cast who were 14 to 15 when the show started. I liked how the cast of the original show actually were teens and grew during the show's run.

The roids really destroyed Mark's skin.

I was surprised to see raves in The New York Times and Washington Post. However, one review indicated the Zack and Kelly appearance was a lowlight.

R46 isn't the actor who played Belding a creep? Tiffani didn't look too happy to see him when they were reunited on some talk show.

He's a dirty old man from what I've heard. Constantly trying to hook up with 18 year olds.

R53 Not sure about him but I know one of the older actors was pounding Neil Patrick Harris when he was really young.

I love it. Especially the little details.

The poor latina has Zack's old phone.

The boring monotone teacher.

Jesse's caffeine chip like they hand out in AA.

Lark Voorhees looks fabulous and was funny in her cameo.

Bayside was a pretty conservative area. Probably Orange County or someplace. They made such a big deal about marijuana

R56 whose the boring monotone teacher?

All young women are homely on purpose to make Jose Totah pass as hot?

Saved By the Bell is set in the Pacific Palisades neighborhood of LA r56. They mention that a fair bit.

For r57 I mean*

[quote]The cast for the reboot are noticeably older than the OG cast who were 14 to 15 when the show started

The actor of plays DeVante is almost 30.

Assuming her Botox has settled, somewhere Gabrielle Carteris is smiling.

is the actor who plays Mac gay IRL?

[quote]whose the boring monotone teacher?

Mr. Dewey? I think.

He was on the original Saturday morning show back in the 90s.

Surprised Mr Dewey hasn't retired by now, my favorite was Mrs Simpson

Of course r59. Lexi was, from the start, advertised as the hottest girl of Bayside.

I didn't realize only the pilot was available on Peacock. The rest of the series they want you to pay for Peacock "Premium". Fuck that.

I get it for free since I'm an Comcast/Xfinity customer

Nomi!!!!!!!! Elizabeth is looking good!

She looks a bit...voluptuous.

If Mario Lopez needs a girl to take to prom, I'm available.

What's with Dustin and Dennis not being invited? What, because he wrote a book over a decade ago? Move on. Dustin may be difficult, but judging by the attitudes of some of the others, I'm thinking there was some truth to him being made to feel like an outcast on the set. I don't know what their beef with Dennis is even about.

If Will and Janet and Suzanne and Joyce could make up, then there's no reason for this feud to continue.

They're both creeps, and Dustin basically called Tiffani a cumdump in his book.

Lark Voorhies did a radio interview recently and hinted that Dustin was holding out for more money.

“He wants to be paid and respected, we would [like] for him to come back on set. He’s going through his growing pains…he can get back on track. He’s going through his adult issues and all of this but I am sure he’ll be back — granted the perfect contract for him, I’m sure he would be back.”

The others, with the exception of Lark, are all producers on the show. They're a smart bunch.

Elizabeth's tits have gotten bigger

When will the new season of Punky Brewster air?

And the Emmy Rossum as ANGELYNE movie?

I watched previews for both.

Sponsored by the trans agenda to erase gay people.

surprised they didn't try to make Mac or Jamie gay or bi

I can't get over those strange chipmunk cheeks of Mario Lopez. That guy looked so hot for decades and now he looks like a Las Vegas crooner with a bad facelift.

Since this show is woke they should just make all the guys have a big gay orgy

And in stupidest news of the day....

I see from R44 that the new Zack is uncircumcised just like the old Zack.

Fuck you, R79!

R81, the show finally got some publicity.

I watched the first 3 episodes in the background and the last one. I'm really afraid this will be the future of LGBT content, putting trans "straight" protagonists in an environment and call it representation. I was never a fan of the original, I love 30 rock and I hated this show with a passion.

Is there any gay character I missed besides the fem theater kid the trans girl keeps putting down?

Josie's character is so annoying it's like they're trying to make this show fail.

How is the trans girl supposed to be the most popular in school?

R84 yep and they apologised.

R79 Sorry I was distracted.

What was you saying about his face?

So if the bring Screech back, will his girlfriend make an appearance?

I think she's available!

I just realized that the episode titles are all from the original series.

They need to give Hayley Mills a cameo.

[quote]Saved By The Bell on Peacock 🦚

Isn't Mario Lopez a Republican?

The Selena Gomez backlash is real.

Show’s over.

[quote]Elizabeth's tits have gotten bigger

Babies do that.

Just for this, you will watch the return of [italic]Punky Brewster[/italic] and like it.

R85 is right and so is R93. This show is not just bad, it is evil. It is why cancel culture is a thing and needs to happen. It is what cancel culture should be targeting. Selling gay erasure to children is beyond hate speech; using a television sitcom as a pretext to justify it and attack those who call you out on your bullshit makes it twice as hateful.

Is the tranny playing a real woman?

That coming out article he wrote was nothing but homophobic self-pity combined with pop psych bullshit.

This show is a war crime.

A tranny wouldn’t be most popular lol. They’d chase it down the halls!

The only reason they put a tranny on this show is as a human shield to accuse anyone who points out the bad writing and acting of bigotry. Such a thing would be an act of psychological projection.

r96 = One Million Mom freak pretending to be the anti trans troll.

[quote]This show is not just bad, it is evil.

GAY ERASURE = THE SKY IS FALLING

[quote] How is the trans girl supposed to be the most popular in school?

It’s a public school in Los Angeles, so they are grading on a curve.

That and their homophobic agenda saying that you have to be a girl in order for boys to like you. I think one of the production companies behind this was also responsible for the revival of [italic]Will & Grace[/italic] which I also despise then and now. Now I have another reason to hate them both.

But seeing a [italic]30 Rock[/italic] writer on this crap makes me think less of that show, too, even though I actually liked it and binge-watched it all when it was on Netflix.

[quote] they apologised.

Apology not accepted.

[quote]Isn't Mario Lopez a Republican?

And Berkley Lauren is realted to the Bush Family Crime Syndicate by marriage.

That's not fair, R104. How much of a relationship do you think she has with her husband's cousin's wife?

[quote] They're both creeps, and Dustin basically called Tiffani a cumdump in his book.

But was he wrong? She’s not exactly Glenda Jackson.

It’s actually quite funny if you liked 30 Rock or Kimmy Schmidt’s humor

Concerned Palisades mom: “I read a Facebook article about an underground teenage sex cult where the kids snort Baby Yoda and worship the demon Momo.”

Not funny.

R88’s photo reminds me of that classic thread about the newscaster and the baby toejob. Who was that again?

Did Lark play Lisa Turtle or some random one-line character?

I am not paying for any streaming service after Hulu censored [italic]The Golden Girls[/italic]. Why can’t they censor this show for a change?

[quote] It’s actually quite funny if you liked 30 Rock or Kimmy Schmidt’s humor

[quote] Concerned Palisades mom: “I read a Facebook article about an underground teenage sex cult where the kids snort Baby Yoda and worship the demon Momo.”

Wow, that's really unfunny.

I have read funnier jokes than that on popsicle sticks.

The scene where Totah, a young man just five mi items ago, slaps the young Latina made me incredibly uncomfortable.

Arabs engaging in violence? Surely you jest!

So you can now add misogyny to the ever-growing list of this show’s unforgivable sins.

I've watched two eps so far (Putlocker has them all up for free), and while it's not a bad show, I keep wondering why I should care about this new group of kids. Similar to 'SBTB: The New Class' back in the day. Mac Morris is cute, though...but I'm a sucker for blondes. Thanks for the revealing pic, R44.

I still don’t know why anyone should care about the old class either. Zack was a bully. His friends are all enablers. In real life, he would most likely be living in a double wide trailer in Petaluma by now, drinking half of his welfare check away and spending the rest of it on some fake-titted bitch he simps for, still wondering where his life went wrong.

And it was a pretty crappy school if they were the “cool” kids. Seriously, even [italic]Beavis and Butt-Head[/italic] depicted high school more believably and without the cringeworthy eat-your-vegetables sermonizing.

Discerning TV viewers did not want this show around the first time and we don’t want it back. Get this shit show off the air and keep it off for good.

R117 is Putlocker legit? Looks spamy.

R119, Putlocker is fine once you close all the pop-ups and hit the play button. Don't download anything from there, obviously. I stream and have never had any issues.

They really need to bring in Gina Gershon to play Jessie's frenemy.

After this, they should change the name of Peacock to Peahen.

[quote] I know y’all’s will disagree with me for the sake of disagreeing though

First of all: "y'all's"? Oh, [italic]dear.[/italic]

Second: So you're saying that it is impossible for anyone to have a different opinion than yours without doing it just for the sake of disagreeing with you. That's a mature approach to argument.

The early 90s seems to be enjoying biggest nostalgia fascination right now. Apart from that Power Rangers and Baywatch movie, Fuller House and Girl Meets World. They are doing a reboot of Fresh Prince, a Friends reunion special and now are doing this Saved By The Bell sequel. Next will probably be The Nanny, Clarissa Explains It All, Martin, and Step by Step.

Clarissa is already in the pipe.

I could have sworn Dennis Haskins (Mr. Belding) was dead, but I was very wrong.

Not one of those shows was any good the first time except for [italic]The Nanny[/italic] and [italic]Fresh Prince.[/italic]

R127 Unfortunately nostalgia blinds people's ability to judge quality. Look at how so many manufactured pop stars are becoming legacy acts and touring like New Kids on the Block, Jonas Brothers, Jennifer Lopez, etc. Even reality TV has become nostalgic for people, they revived Jersey Shore and it's just a matter time before they bring back The Simple Life with middle-aged Paris and Nicole. Lindsay Lohan is surviving on nostalgia of 2000s kids to keep herself in the spotlight.

There is no reason to be nostalgic for any of that shit. Now you know why the first two letters in that word our “no”.

Now you know why there is still nostalgia for the 1980s and every time period before it: this crap didn’t exist yet!

If it’s a good story like Cobra Kai then people will continue watching.

Our = are

R130: Except in that case the original source material was actually a good movie to begin with. And it didn’t hurt that William Zabka aged extremely well.

Nostalgia is a type of hysteria. It's not logical. Most people aren't really nostalgic for Saved by the Bell though. They laughed at the cornball writing and stupid plots and also enjoyed looking at the eye candy cast. It's sort of a meme now too because of "Zack Morris is Trash" videos and many young people are fascinated by the tacky colorful fashion which has made a comeback on social media. It was a live-action Saturday morning cartoon too even with E/I logo. Terrible show but people enjoyed it in reruns because it was so stupid.

R82. Both Mark-Paul Gosselaar (Zack) and Mario Lopez (Slater) were “Saved from the (Plasti-) Bell,” with both of their cocks being all-natural and intact.

Welcome Freshman was funnier than Saved by the Bell. It was much darker and cynical and more reflective of the generation too. Saved by the Bell seemed too 1950s wholesome for the 90s just like The Brady Bunch did for the 70s as well. But The Adventures of Pete & Pete was the best 90s Nick show followed by Kenan & Kel and Salute Your Shorts. Hey Dude also on Nickelodeon was much worse than Saved by the Bell though.

I think the zoomers are much more fascinated with Save by the Bell and assume it was prime time tv and very popular in the early 90’s with teenagers and young adults but in truth this show was geared towards younger kids hense the colorful clothes to get their attention same as power rangers.

Saved by the Bell was also probably enjoyed by horny teen boys and horny old men who wanted to bang Tiffani, Lark and Elizabeth.

They couldn't get away with a scene like this today.

Those guys seem like the same guys who would be calling you the F-word and shoving you in a locker in real life. And considering the religious fundamentalism of Peter Engel, I am guessing that that is not an accident.

They did nothing for me then or now. Why would you want any of them when Rick Schroder and Jason Bateman had both turned 18 by that point and Chad Allen is actually gay?

[quote] Saved by the Bell seemed too 1950s wholesome for the 90s just like The Brady Bunch did for the 70s as well.

Except that the 1950s also had [italic]Dobie Gillis[/italic] which gave us Maynard G. Krebs. That show aged better when Nick at Nite had it around the same time. So did [italic]Leave it to Beaver[/italic] or even [italic]The Patty Duke Show[/italic].

The problem with this show was not the attempt at wholesomeness which obviously backfired in the face of all that jailbait. The problem was the bad writing, bad acting, and homophobia from its bigoted producers. Even the flaws of a show like [italic]The Brady Bunch[/italic] seem trivial by comparison.

Welcome Freshmen seemed like a parody of Saved by the Bell. The kids were selfish and assholes like real teenagers and they hated their principal and always mocked and disobeyed him again like real teens would.

Despite watching Nickelodeon when I was a kid, I never heard of that show, but at least it sounds better than most of the shows from the Dan Schneider and Disney Channel bilge factories of the last 20 years.

It’s funny Tiffani-Amber was all freaked out/disgusted when Mr. Belding surprised her.

Dan Schneider was the Peter Engall of the 2000s with all of his derivative teen sitcoms which got worse and worse each installment. Disney Channel manages to be worse though. It's like they insult the intelligence of minors honestly.

It is a tragedy that anybody of any age gives a shit.

R118 They were the cool kids because they were financially well-off, athletic and attractive. Basically equals: "I peaked in high school and college". They didn't need to be sincerely nice though they were actually were since they put up with Screech who is the most annoying thing in TV history. If the show had more realism to it, Zack and Slater wouldn't even acknowledge the existence of Screech and Lisa would get a jock to beat him up for stalking her. Screech likely would be the winner in the long run of his class because he would be working in Silicon Valley and married to a trophy wife.

R139 Unlike SBTB which seemed socially regressive for the 90s. The Brady Bunch had some progressive elements like the blended family aspect and implication that Carol was a divorcee. There some "feminist"-themed episodes too which don't seem that significant now but still something for its time. Jessie on SBTB was every negative stereotype of a rich white feminist while Kelly and Lisa were portrayed as vapid valley girls. I remember Marcia and Jan did have depth and multiple interests which were explored in episodes despite the parody versions of them from the 90s which simplified their characters to the pretty smug sister and the bitter ugly sister.

R124 They're re-rebooting the Power Rangers again after that 2017 movie disaster. There was also talks of bringing back Martin but Thomas Mikal Ford who played Tommy is dead and Carl Anthony Payne II who played Cole is said to hate Martin Lawrence.

Saved by the Bell tackled drug issues in several episodes.

Elizabeth Berkley should have been nominated for an Emmy for the episode where she gets hooked on speed.

So is MacGyver the only successful reboot show in 2020?

I miss the old Nick at Nite before all the shitty sitcoms you can see everywhere took over. But then again, you can pretty much find all the old Nick at Nite shows on DVD or streaming somewhere. But it was so much fun back in the late 80s- mid 90s, staying up all night to watch shows I'd never seen before. I totally got hooked on The Patty Duke Show. And I remember in 1992 when they added The Mary Tyler Moore Show, what a huge deal it was. They did a 5 night Mary-thon which was dusk to dawn MTM episodes. And in 1995, they showed a bunch of Sid and Marty Krofft shows.

Me Tv, Antenna TV show a lot of the older ones.

R148 actually is Elizabeth Berkley.

[quote] Saved by the Bell tackled drug issues in several episodes.

And they fumbled them in ways that not even [italic]Diff’rent Strokes[/italic] did.

Saved by the Bell originally (or throughout its entire run) aired on Saturday morning, so its target audience was very young--tweens and younger kids. The show was not written for teens in high school as portrayed by the original cast.

SBTB really set the trend for the manufactured tweencoms of NBC, Nickelodeon and Disney Channel and now Netflix. Cast pretty teen actors to be idols with tons of merchandise and even a singing career and prioritize the marketing aspect over the storytelling and character development. Create these types of shows on a fast turn-around schedule. This is also done with tons of cartoons which act as extended toy commercials.

Stuff like Dobie Gillis, Patty Duke, The Partridge Family, Monkees, Gidget, Silver Spoons, Blossom, Clarissa, Growing Pains, Who's The Boss?, Full House, Boy Meets World and The Brady Bunch planted the seeds for that though they were more family-oriented than strictly kid-oriented. Though they all are aspirational and younger kids who watched these shows idolized the older teen characters.

There’s a huge difference between something like [italic]The Monkees[/italic] and dreary and shittily written and acted shows like [italic]Who’s the Boss[/italic] and [italic]Full House[/italic].

R156 I actually think The Monkees is quite funny in an absurdist kind of way. The writers were stoned and/or dropping acid when scripting and directing it. Also an underrated band.

Who's The Boss? and Full House were awful shows but tolerable when you're 10 years old and Nickelodeon went off, so you're stuck with Nick at Nite.

Clarissa liked grunge and alternative music, had a PC she played games on and wanted to be a journalist. So that made her cooler than the Bayside cast of characters.

[quote] This is also done with tons of cartoons which act as extended toy commercials.

Not every cartoon in the 1980s was a glorified toy commercial. The most successful ones were those where the merchandise followed actual real world demand for the thing they were merchandising. [italic]The Smurfs[/italic] and [italic]Garfield and Friends[/italic] were both based on comic strips. [italic]Alvin and the Chipmunks[/italic] was a reboot of a 60s cartoon. [italic]Muppet Babies[/italic] showed that Jim Henson could work within the boundaries of network TV without feeling like selling out. [italic]Gummi Bears[/italic] got Disney into the TV cartoon game after decades of resistance and proved to be more successful than that year’s costly theatrical release [italic]The Black Cauldron[/italic]. [italic]It’s Punky Brewster[/italic] only ran two years to the four it got as a live-action show but at least had an interesting mixed-race cast when that wasn’t common on Saturday morning cartoons. It also helped launch Butch Hartman’s career. [italic]ALF[/italic] in animation gave the title character a backstory and actually showed the doomed planet of Melmac.

Even the glorified toy commercials still produced people who went on to bigger and better things.

R157, speaking of 'Who's the Boss', it's set for a reboot with Tony Danza and Alyssa Milano. If Danny Pintauro doesn't want to come back (I believe someone said he's working as a vet tech these days), why not have his character become trans? Or black? Or a black tranny? Surely Judith Light will at least make a guest appearance, for old time's sake. The new black tranny character could do double duty as the new Mona. In fact, just name her "Mona" in honour of the late, great Katherine Helmond.

R158 I agree, there are many cartoon gems from the 80s. Jem has enjoyed a cult following for having fleshed-out characters, backstory and world-building despite being initially created by Hasbro to be a marketing rival to Barbie. And the 80s Alvin & Chipmunks show actually fleshed out the characters and had a lot of meaningful episodes. The Raccoons also is considered an impressively written cartoon and revered by Canadians as a fine example of their animation industry. My favorite though is the Beetlejuice cartoon which has many elements I even prefer to the live-action original.

Katherine Helmond was great in everything except that lousy show. Even when I was a kid, I hated it and I hated it even more after I finally got to see [italic]Soap[/italic] for the first time when it came out on videotape, which I loved and still do.

It would’ve been less of a comedown for her to play Cassie‘s sister on [italic]Webster[/italic] after Cathryn Damon got too sick to work. That show looks like a classic next to this piece of shit.

R159 I remember Who's The Boss? airing reruns on Nick at Nite and TV Land in the mid-2000s but it seemed to have disappeared from syndication afterwards. Like Growing Pains, Family Ties and Silver Spoons I doubt anyone under the age of 25 knows Who's The Boss? So the audience for this would be skewing older.

Unlike SBTB, Three's Company, Step by Step, Family Matters, Full House, Golden Girls, Married with Children, Cosby and even Cheers which have enjoyed a very very long time in syndication, a lot of other 80s/early 90s shows weren't in heavy syndication.

That’s because VCRs made it possible for anybody who liked them enough to watch them more than once to tape them, and also TV stations wanted to put talkshows on instead.

[italic]Family Ties[/italic] probably still has some cultural catchet considering Michael J Fox’s still famous because of the [italic]Back to the Future[/italic] trilogy and his work for Parkinson’s disease charities. Unlike the others, that at least had better writing and acting. He deserved his Emmys for playing Alex P. Keaton because, much like Carroll O’Connor and Archie Bunker, another actor could have turned the role into a completely irredeemable jerk.

R163 Good point. It's always interesting to me which shows have legacies that last and which don't. Friends and Full House managed to become huge classics despite generally being considered serviceable sitcoms at best and it only seems to be because these shows are highly syndicated and have been for over 20 years. I remember Full House and Friends have been airing on many network TV stations as well as on multiple cable channels like Nick at Nite, ABC Family and TBS simultaneously. It's comparable to something like Scooby-Doo which has been syndicated for decades on multiple network TV and cable TV stations that it has been so ingrained in the US public consciousness that even people who didn't watch it knows the characters and their dynamic.

Other sitcoms from the 80s like Growing Pains, 227, Valerie/Hogan's Family (despite Jason Bateman being a huge actor and popular with young people), Too Close For Comfort and ALF are generally forgotten unless you're a TV buff fascinated by classic television or were old enough to still catch them in syndication.

I predict The Office is probably going to end up in Friends/Full House/Seinfeld territory too of being an extremely mainstream syndicated show for decades. While 30 Rock will end up like Frasier and Parks & Rec like Cheers as shows that are syndicated but enjoyed by a more niche audience.

ALF was good up until they added a new baby. Growing Pains was terrible from the get-go and just got worse after Kirk fucking Cameron turned into a goddamn Jesus freak. 227 started well but seem to unravel after they added new characters into the mix.

Friends and Full House are not “classics.“ They are the two worst television shows of any genre or any era. Period. And one is a rip-off of the other. Both are constantly foisted on the public because of white supremacy.

Growing Pains is a painfully boring show but it did jumpstart Leonardo DiCaprio's career. Alan Thicke was a trooper too, he bashed Kirk publicly for his homophobia and his son Robin is a talented blue-eyed soul singer. Despite the show's vanilla-ness, it did have a catchy theme song.

Who will suck it girl Josie’s nasty lil shaved n tucked peen?

R168 They lived in the "whitest" parts of NY and SF respectively and able to afford that big-ass housing too in areas that even back in the 1980s were still damn expensive. Friends was based off of Living Single (a black sitcom about young professionals living in NY which of course was never hugely popular due to being more about black culture and also airing on FOX, a baby network compared to NBC) and also Full House seemed to be based off Three Men and a Baby and My Two Dads.

Didn’t the parents in Growing Pains suggest that Kirk might be in gay at one point or was that Home Improvement?

R169: Alan Thicke’s best work was done behind the camera. In addition to his two iconic sitcom themes, wrote for Norman Lear’s [italic]Fernwood 2Night[/italic] which is a very funny show. It used to piss me off when the Disney Channel would show [italic]Growing Pains[/italic] reruns because apparently all the actually good shows of that era were taken by other cable channels.

Dusty Springfield recorded the theme song and it is probably the worst song in her entire repertoire.

Growing Pains was the white version of The Cosby Show. The difference was nobody on the show was distinctive because white yuppies are boring as hell. Kirk "Jesus Freak" Cameron was the best actor on it which isn't a good sign.

If Jason Bateman finishes Ozarks. Maybe a Hogan Family reunion can happen. It seems the most forgotten of the 80s sitcoms despite it's catchy and very soothing theme song sung by the beautiful Roberta Flack. It also seems Full House ripped this off too.

Even independently of Bill Cosby‘s crimes, his 1980s sitcom had about two or three good years tops despite being on for almost a decade. By the end it had turned into “the Olivia and Pam show with special guest stars the Huxtables.“

R173 I remember those Disney Channel reruns of Growing Pains. It's funny how they aligned themselves with a Jesus freak like Kirk. They also used to air reruns of Brotherly Love which I think was a pretty funny and underrated mid-90s sitcom starring the Lawrence bros. It helps Joey and Matt looked very beautiful. Like Teen Angel, Smart Guy and Sabrina, they weren't scared to put in adult-oriented jokes and old pop culture references.

A year or so before the Cosby scandal broke, I tried watching a Cosby Show re-run. It was unwatchable--the show had almost no plot. The characters seemed to wander in and out while Cliff mugged non-stop. I have no idea now why we all watched this show and thought it was great.

R175, but Valerie Harper is dead. Oh wait, never mind.

R177: That show also reunited the two older Lawrence brothers with Nell Carter when she did a guest appearance after that TGIF thing didn’t work out for her.

R176 Pam was added to add "street appeal" because The Cosby Show reflected the respectability politics of the 1980s that the racist Republican party wanted black people to behave as. But by the late 80s that ideal was outdated and more realistic stuff like Spike Lee films and the music of NWA, New Edition and Public Enemy was in. So Cosby decided to actually put in a black kid who acted like they grew up on the streets of NY with Pam. Also Olivia was added to be the cute little kid but it did launch Raven-Symone's career and she's such a great actress and singer that I can't complain about that.

[quote] A year or so before the Cosby scandal broke, I tried watching a Cosby Show re-run. It was unwatchable--the show had almost no plot. The characters seemed to wander in and out while Cliff mugged non-stop. I have no idea now why we all watched this show and thought it was great.

They were the first sitcom with a Black family where the parents both worked non-domestic white-collar jobs. If it had not been them, it would’ve been someone else eventually. I wish it had been. Someone who didn’t rape a lesbian.

Bill Cosby was a liberal Democrat. I have never seen any evidence of him supporting any Republican candidates or causes. Just because white heterosexual conservative men agreed with his personal responsibility jive talk doesn’t make him a conservative.

The Huxtable family was that aspirational model for black folks. They lived in Brooklyn Heights in this nice brownstone. They were upper middle-class, speak very eloquently, dressed very fashionable but still conservative, were a nuclear double-income family and had all their problems solved in an episode. It was basically a 1950s style type of sitcom but with black people. Cliff and Claire were graduates of HBCUs. They also featured jazz, blues and even rap and reggae musicians and artwork by black artists hung in the background. They were black and proud of it but they didn't talk about it or address racial issues. It seemed like a fantasy world because of the Reagan era's War on Drugs, the HIV crisis, gentrification, gang violence, police brutality and the race riots occurring at the same time. It didn't age well because it was a product of its time but most agree it was culturally important.

It's spin-off A Different World was much funnier and interesting. Though the first season sucked ass as Lisa Bonet has no acting ability and star power to carry a sitcom herself and Marisa Tomei was out of place. Luckily Debbie Allen came in and fixed the show and made it classic, season 2 onward.

R183 I wasn't accusing Cosby of being a Republican though like many older black men he is a social conservative. I was just saying that The Cosby Show had to push a very clean and sanitized image of black people and idealized black family and avoided racial and social discussions. It was the Reagan era and social conservatives of the moral majority were very racist and blamed minorities and the poor aka "welfare queens". It wasn't necessarily his fault either, he was walking on eggshells even pitching the idea to NBC. The white sitcoms of the era also were idealized like Growing Pains, Family Ties, Who's The Boss?, Full House and Silver Spoons. That's why Roseanne and Married... with Children were refreshing and are even relatable to people of all races actually since they were just working class.

[quote] It was basically a 1950s style type of sitcom but with black people.

I think that’s a little reductive. For one thing, the mothers in 1950 sitcoms didn’t have jobs. For another thing, the kids didn’t have any friends outside their race.

R186 I agree Claire would have been a homemaker. But if it was still set in NYC that's a possibility to still have mixed-race social groups. Maybe Hispanic, Irish, Jewish, Polish or Italian friends since Brooklyn was never predominately black but likely not WASPy friends.

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R185: Even though the core family was incredibly white, [italic]Silver Spoons[/italic] had at four Black actors in regular or recurring roles (Leonard Lightfoot, Franklyn Seales, Alfonso Ribeiro, and Jo-Marie Payton) and had a Black co-creator/developer in Michael G. Moye. Someone years ago uploaded the whole series to YouTube and I found it most enjoyable. Certainly the casting of Joel Higgins kept the role of Edward Stratton III from becoming just another dumb sitcom dad.

Tony Danza was the exact opposite on his show. He can’t play anything other than a dumb mook, and he has to call line to remember his own name, so there is no point in even trying to write good material for him even though [italic]Taxi[/italic] at least tried. As a result, everything he plays reinforces the stupid white male stereotype. It is astonishing that Norman Lear let his standards sink so much so quickly. That the worst of these two shows is the one that got better ratings is more proof that either America is still as racist as ever or the Nielsens are rigged or both.

[quote]I was just saying that The Cosby Show had to push a very clean and sanitized image of black people and idealized black family and avoided racial and social discussions.

It amuses me whenever people post this, because you can tell they never watched the show. Number one, they touched on class and racial issues a lot. They did shows on drug abuse, kids with bad home lives, teenage pregnancies'. They did an episode about Vanessa fighting with her friends over class status.

Number two, the kids were far from squeaky and innocent. Denise was a drifter who dropped out of college and had no sense of direction. Vanessa was always getting into all kinds of trouble like coming home drunk, and running off for the weekend to go to a concert. Sondra turned her back on her law degree so she could go run a wilderness store with Elvin. Theo was always bringing home bad grades until they found out he was dyslexic. The kids were generally a mess with the exception of Rudy and that's only because she was a little kid.

The show was more about moving away from generally negative stereotypes of African Americans that had been a staple of TV (poor people with broken families living in the ghetto, having no money and struggling to make ends meet.)

Yes, there was the Jeffersons, but the show always made mentioned of George's poor roots and that Louise and him came from dire circumstances to get to where they were. The Cosby's were about two upper middle class people who came from solid middle class backgrounds themselves. And yes, there are black people like that out there.

R189 Oh yes, certainly Joel Higgins played the role with such intelligence and gravitas!

Bill Cosby grew up the poor son of an alcoholic father in a Philadelphia ghetto. His real life trajectory is more like the Jeffersons than the Huxtables. Except that George Jefferson never raped a lesbian.

[quote][R189] Oh yes, certainly Joel Higgins played the role with such intelligence and gravitas!

With the material they gave him to work with he managed to make it work. He clearly had more acting experience than Erin Gray, but she was not miscast and they were at least believable as a couple. As a TV viewer, I can believe them together, but as a gay man, I object on moral grounds.

Now imagine Dick Christie (Ted Lawson on [italic]Small Wonder[/italic]) in that part; the father-son scenes would end up being REALLY awkward. The parents on that show seemed more like close friends than husband and wife.

Saved By The Bell is on Sunday mornings on one of the classic TV channels. Decades, METV, Light, or Antenna.

I watch an occasional episode of the old shows. Who's the Boss, Hogan Family, Family Ties, Silver Spoons, Growing Pains, Dennis the Menace, etc.

There are the old Sci-fi shows as well; Star Trek, Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea, Land of the Giants, It's About Time,

And Cowboy shows: Bonanza, Rifleman, etc.

[italic]Valerie[/italic] is the only Miller-Boyett show without Garry Marshall that holds up at all. [italic]Full House[/italic] was a torture chamber from start to finish, [italic]Family Matters[/italic] got really stupid after Telma Hopkins left (and I doubt they had too many Black writers if any), and [italic]Step by Step[/italic] only exists to vindicate [italic]Three's Company[/italic] which look like a classic by comparison.

R125 glad to hear it.

That show made it appropriate for teenage girls to dress like sluts.

[quote]Both Mark-Paul Gosselaar (Zack) and Mario Lopez (Slater) were “Saved from the (Plasti-) Bell,” with both of their cocks being all-natural and intact.

Mario has talked about many times. His wife, then girlfriend had never seen an uncut one and said it looks like a frightened turtkle. But when has Gosselaar talked about it?

Three words:

Bring

back

[italic]Webster[/italic].

Is the Webster kid still alive?

Yes, R200. It was Gary Coleman who died.

They should re-do Diff'rent Strokes with Todd Bridges, Janet Jackson and Mary Jo Cutlet.

R190 I get pissed every time DL acts like every single black person had the same exact upbringing. There were well off black people, especially in the 80s.

DL acts like a black Doctor and Lawyer wax unheard of back then. Maybe where they ACTUALLY CAME FROM it was, but in NYC, especially Brooklyn, it was heard of.

This show is sending the message that gay men are actually inside-out heterosexual women. That's a deeply homophobic and misogynistic message.

R204 no it isn’t.

[quote] So is MacGyver the only successful reboot show in 2020?

CW has some reboots that go beyond their first season. Charmed & Nancy Drew come to mind. Then there's the Hawaii FIVE O reboot that ended this year after going strong for ten seasons.

Woke Homophobia

[Quote] CW has some reboots that go beyond their first season. Charmed & Nancy Drew come to mind.

The Charmed reboot is terrible. They had to start from scratch with season 2.

[quote] They had to start from scratch with season 2.

Start from scratch would mean they fired the entire cast from season one and started fresh with a new cast which didn't happen. Season 2 has the same leading cast.

The CW is the least-viewed network compared to FOX, NBC, ABC and CBS. The CW caters to niche fanbases and has always kept their shows running longer than average because of that. They keep their shows running because they can't afford to lose any type of viewership which keeps them afloat. The WB and UPN also had lower viewerships too but also had too many shows they picked-up and cancelled which made them go over-budget and resulted in the merger. The CW is not repeating those mistakes. Think of The CW like Fox during it's early years.

You are safe if you have a show in CBS.

CBS is the "old people network". Older viewers are the most devoted of all demographics. They love familiarity. Big Bang Theory, Two and a Half Men, Two Broke Girls, Mom, etc etc are all very old-school type of sitcoms with obnoxious laugh tracks, childish characters, outdated gender stereotypes and racist jokes. Even the camera filming style they used looks antiquated.

Younger people moved on to single-camera sitcoms ushered in by shows like Malcolm in the Middle, The Bernie Mac Show, 30 Rock, The Office, Arrested Development, Parks and Recreation, Workaholics and Community.

Whenever anyone mentions "The Hogan Family" the theme song plays in my head on a loop for days. "We get closer, with happiness and tears/And in our hearts we share/The laughter and the sadness/A special kind of madness/Together through the years!". Cheese but it sticks.

Nick at Nite in the '80s was my favorite thing ever as a young teen, and it was because of the interstitial stuff. It really made it seem like you were watching something hip and interesting when really it was just the same reruns the indie channels were showing and nobody gave a crap about.

R209 they got rid of the showrunner and killed off all of the recurring characters.

R210 the CW doesn't care about live ratings but online views is a different story.

[quote] I kinda assumed Saved by the Bell was supposed to be more of the world of rich high schoolers in Southern California

I think on the original season the school was supposed to be based in Indiana.

Good Morning Miss Bliss was set in Indiana. When it was revamped as Saved By the Bell it was changed to California, and they changed the tone, made the teens the focus (Miss Bliss was the focus for the original show) and changed many of the cast mates.

They kept Zack, and made him the main character, kept Lisa and Screech and Mr Belding and cut the rest. They then created new characters. There were supposed to be 5 main teens, like in Miss Bliss, but they liked Berkeley so much (who auditioned for Kelly but they gave the part to Tiffani-Amber) they created Jessie specifically for her.

[quote] Younger people moved on to single-camera sitcoms ushered in by shows like Malcolm in the Middle, The Bernie Mac Show, 30 Rock, The Office, Arrested Development, Parks and Recreation, Workaholics and Community.

Ahem.

R215

Yes during the Good Morning, Miss Bliss season which aired on Disney but was cancelled after one season and NBC picked it up and retooled it as Saved By The Bell. I remember TBS aired those episodes but with the SBTB opening theme. Belding, Lisa, Schreech and Zack were carried over from that series onto SBTB with the new characters Slater, Jessie and Kelly. They should have had Hayley Mills guest star as Miss Bliss on SBTB.

Mark-Paul was definitely very charismatic and would have gotten a show even if Miss Bliss wasn't picked up by NBC.

The biggest "what could have been" is with the Miss Bliss pilot. The cast of kids in the pilot included Jonathan Brandis, Jaleel White and Brian Austin Green who all ended up as teen stars in the 90s.

[quote]Nick at Nite in the '80s was my favorite thing ever as a young teen, and it was because of the interstitial stuff. It really made it seem like you were watching something hip and interesting when really it was just the same reruns the indie channels were showing and nobody gave a crap about.

Freeform already had a lot of those old shows for years when it was called CBN. They also had westerns; the had [italic]Bonanza[/italic] for years and years and years.

I noticed that a lot of the shows Nick at Nite (and later TV Land) had were the same ones that TBS had just lost the rights to. Lucy, Andy, the Bradys, and most of the Norman Lear shows were on TBS before N@N/TVL took them.

The Disney Channel showed old [italic]Ozzie and Harriet[/italic] reruns for years after losing [italic]Still the Beaver[/italic] to TBS which also had the original. Ted Turner was willing to pay for both; Disney was not.

Freeform is still forced to air The 700 Club because of Pat Robertson. Disney tried everything to get rid of that contract and I'm sure Fox tried to too during the Fox Family era. It was rumored that ABC Family was forced to have "family" in the name because of a contract but that turned out to be false. They did eventually change it to "Freeform" because once they got rid of all the cartoons and the TGIF and 7th Heaven reruns and began airing stuff like Pretty Little Liars, there was nothing really family-oriented left about the channel.

The sarcastic disclaimers though are pretty funny.

Will they be able to get out of it once he dies or will they be stuck with it indefinitely until cable TV becomes obsolete?

Who did Selena piss off? She's getting more screen time out of this than when she drunkenly knee-walked her one-kidney to the 2019 AMA awards...

I hope once evil Robertson dies. CBN will go bankrupt and the they cancel The 700 Club. That man is a pure evil hateful being and has spread his bigoted, homophobic and racist Evangelical Bible sharia around the world with his missionaries.

And this show enabled him, R224.

Did they gif Tiff a weight clause this time around?

give not gif

Belding is a total pervert. He was taking home 19 year olds at my college after doing bar appearances (this was 2002).

Diamond? That dirty-san pron ended him.

The age of consent is 18. Did he at least consent or is he a rapist like Bill Cosby and others at NBC?

Are they bringing back Tori?

Leah Remini??

[quote] They should re-do Diff'rent Strokes with Todd Bridges, Janet Jackson and Mary Jo Cutlet.

I don't know if Cutlet was an autocorrect or snark, but it made me laugh.

R231, I forgot that Leah Scientology Remini played Stacy Corrosive.

Tori was the lezzyish biker chick who replaced Kelly Kapowski for some brief, undisclosed reason.

R231, I forgot that Leah Scientology Remini played Stacy Corrosive.

Tori was the lezzyish biker chick who replaced Kelly Kapowski for some brief, undisclosed reason.

I remember the episode were Slater finds out he's part Mexican and his dad changed the family name from Sanchez to Slater to further his career. I was so confused by that revelation because I thought Slater was always Hispanic from the get-go and everyone knew but didn't care. The actor's name was Mario Lopez and his appearance is very mestizo, not at all white-passing. I thought it was cool that Jessie and Slater were a mixed-race couple. Then there's some episode during the College Years where Slater is shamed by a Chicano girl for not embracing his heritage as much.

Despite Slater dating Kelly and Jessie. Viewers had a big issue with Zack and Lisa being a couple despite the fact MPG and Lark actually dated a long time behind the scenes and their onscreen chemistry was off the charts. Lisa always got the short end of the stick when it came to romance, no steady relationships at all despite being cute, charming, rich and fashionable. Apparently, the SBTB producers got a lot of angry letters from parents who objected to the episode of Zack and Lisa kissing and thinking of becoming a couple. I wish the producers stuck with their guns and did it to piss off the racists. But alas they stuck Zack with Kelly, the most generic and predictable ending ever.

I'm available for Season 2!

Also, they had an episode where Zack finds out he is part Native American. Just like every white person ever LOL. Mark-Paul Gosselaar is part-Indonesian and it would have been interesting had they wrote that into the script. He is just white-passing like Dean Cain and Keanu Reeves. He probably was told by casting directors to dye his hair blonde to look more "European". He still looks gorgeous today.

Here's him and his mother.

What we need is a dark, gritty, heavy sci-fi reboot of Small Wonder.

R230 over Tiffani's dead body.

[quote] What we need is a dark, gritty, heavy sci-fi reboot of Small Wonder.

I've been trying to sell that for years and years. This time I'll be the world-class robotics engineer who leads the way for women in STEM fields and brings VICKI back to life after 30 years, trying to pass her off as my daughter now.

Tori was added after Berkeley and Thiessen left the show. They had more episodes to film to fill the season, as Berkeley and Thiessen only filmed half a season, including the series finale ahead of time so they are a part of it. They then cast someone for Tori to film more episodes so they have the full season NBC ordered.

This is why Kelly and Jessie suddenly vanish without reason and Tori is now part of the gang and then on the finale Tori is missing and Kelly and Jessie are suddenly back.

I found out about Small Wonder from VH1's I Love The 80s and I was fascinated by this hot mess of a show. I miss late 90s and 2000s VH1 which was just a wasteland of pop culture and music documentaries.

Everyone keeps on speaking about how hot Zack and Kelly’s kid is but I find Jessie’s son way hotter.

Does no one remember me?

I don't remember Full House, Growing Pains, The Cosby Show, Family Matters or Step by Step talking about porn?

I'm guessing the writers for Valerie Hogan's Family actually had teenage sons.

R242, thanks! Mystery solved.

OMG R246, I loved that episode! I was always afraid of that happening to me.

[italic]Silver Spoons[/italic] did it first in 1983 when Ricky and his friends stole cable to watch porn.

[quote] Step by Step talking about porn?

There was an episode where JT doesn't stay home for the holidays and instead ends up watching scrambled cable porn with some buddies in a cabin.

R246, Growing Pains had an episode where Ben passes out a sex hotline number to the kids at school. That was as close as they got.

Silver Spoons is so fucking 80s and actually funny. How is it not a meme? It even had Carlton Banks pre-Fresh Prince who also a teen dance star.

This episode is about going online and chatting with strangers in the 1980s!

[quote] I found out about Small Wonder from VH1's I Love The 80s and I was fascinated by this hot mess of a show. I miss late 90s and 2000s VH1 which was just a wasteland of pop culture and music documentaries.

At least a hokey and cheap show like that is fun to make fun of. And it has Edie McClurg in it.

Wow. Over 250 posts and NO ONE has speculated about the two HOT actors' orientations?? You cunts severely disappoint me.

R254 There's a whole thread on one of them

[quote]The original was terrible and they found a way to make it worse. Yes, I was a child when it was on the air. Even then, it was stupid homophobic drivel produced by people allied with Pat fucking Robertson. Putting trannies on it only doubles the homophobia.

Screeching "homophobia" while using trans slurs. How very ... Republican of you.

Back here in the reality-based world, the original SBTB was "squeaky clean" because it was a fucking Saturday morning show aimed at elementary & middle school kids – it was intended to be a childish view of high school from *their* perspective. Yes, it's definitely fucked up that the producers still managed to sexualize the kids to such a degree, but OTOH that was the norm all around 30 years ago – as was having teen-show casts populated entirely by hot white people, with the occasional token exception (e.g. Slater).

The new show is not only NOT "homophobic drivel"; it's written & produced almost entirely by women (and mainly women of color). If our resident eldergays were being honest, they'd admit they hate it BECAUSE of that reason, which goes back to both self-loathing and irrational hatred of trans people. Since I'm apparently the only person under age 50 on DL these days, I guess I have to spell it out: the reboot reflects the modern-day realities of gender fluidity as well as orientation fluidity. No one's "gay" or "bi" because ACTUAL kids today often don't identify as such, simply because they don't like labels.

I don't like most reboots, and I never watched the original show aside from a handful of times, but this one is *legitimately* good. Fantastic writing all around, and it makes VERY clear how ridiculous – and ridiculously privileged – the OG cast was (and, in Zack & Kelly's case, still is). Yes, it shares a number of sensibilities in that respect with "Cobra Kai," except this show is considerably higher-profile. (As a reminder, "Cobra Kai" languished on the now-defunct YouTube Red for two years, where almost no one watched it. The show only got hot this year after Netflix acquired it & ordered a third season. Also, "Cobra Kai" was considerably lower budget, hence the rather ridiculous substitution of Atlanta for suburban L.A. and use of zero sets. (SBTB, meanwhile, has almost farcically expensive sets for a streaming network, but NBC went all out on both it and "Brave New World.")

Anyway, it's a genuinely good show, and the only real criticism I've seen of it is specific to focusing on a trans woman who "passes." In real life, trans women still have plainly masculine traits, and are shunned for it – based on the same bigotry gay men have faced for decades over being too "nelly." OTOH you could say the same thing about "Love, Simon," which has a teen gay character who also "passes." How many of you bitches dislike THAT movie?

It’s so nice that Lark has finally gotten some good help.

R254 Who are these "hot actors"? The old ones are over the hill or the young ones are not particular good looking.

Blossom was ahead of it’s time and had a gay ep.

I hate the idiot children of the internet

R259 Would Mayim Baliak come back to play Blossom the mid life crisis years? Nah, she's already one of the few TV actors who successfully transitioned from child to adult acting career.

R256 is playing the race card and the V-card to justify using bad TV to promote gay erasure, especially gay male erasure.

Payment declined.

[quote] Screeching "homophobia" while using trans slurs. How very ... Republican of you.

Putting sneer quotes around the word homophobia is what anti-gay Christian fundamentalists do.

[quote]The new show is not only NOT "homophobic drivel"; it's written & produced almost entirely by women (and mainly women of color)

You mean women of color like Joy Reid?

[quote]Since I'm apparently the only person under age 50 on DL these days

Wrong. Not only are you a racist and a sexist and a homophobe, but you are an ageist, too.

[quote]"Love, Simon," which has a teen gay character who also "passes." How many of you bitches dislike THAT movie?

I took my mother to see it when she visited me. I threw my Blu-ray of it away when Greg Berlanti put tranny propaganda on one of his shitty CW shows.

It is not a good show. It is the same bad writing, the same bad acting, the same sanctimoniousness, and even more homophobia than ever before.

[quote] Silver Spoons is so fucking 80s and actually funny. How is it not a meme? It even had Carlton Banks pre-Fresh Prince who also a teen dance star.

It gets rerun as often as they used to reissue Disney movies to theaters, and never on channels I actually get where I live at any given time since it was first in syndicated reruns which is where I first saw it. Every time Shout! Factory gets asked about why the rest of it isn't on DVD, in addition to whatever vague adjectives they use to rationalize why Sony gave up after 1 season with the tackiest cover imaginable, the standard excuse is "we can't afford the music rights." The only streaming sites that have it also just have season 1, and not even the same uncut versions the DVD set had! It got decent, but not spectacular ratings on Saturday nights pre-[italic]Golden Girls[/italic], but then NBC let it die on Sunday nights up against [italic]60 Minutes[/italic] where its ratings cratered; they never even tried [italic]Punky Brewster[/italic] on a different night. [italic]Punky[/italic] sold more DVD copies (and had Shout! supporting it from the get-go), but that show needed first-run syndication to even get reruns at all. [italic]Spoons[/italic] got one more season in syndication because the stations that reran it already been promised at least 100 episodes. Maybe girl-centric shows sell more DVDs than boy-centric ones.

With Alfonzo, though, I thought they wrote themselves into a corner with him with that dyslexia episode in a way [italic]Punky[/italic] didn't with Cherie and her grandma. Their intentions were good, but they recognized it is neither funny nor nice to mock people with a disability. That killed the potential for comedy with the character. It was easier for them to make a white guy "the dumb one" like J.T. used to be before he just faded into the background, so you started to see him pushed into the background in favor of Brad (Billy Jacoby), who in one episode actually wore a T-shirt saying "brain dead." I also suspect the influence of Coca-Cola made them not want them having a Pepsi spokesman so prominent on a show they just bought the production company of. That was a non-issue when Norman Lear still owned Embassy and "discovered" him in the Broadway cast of [italic]The Tap Dance Kid[/italic]. But I loved Dexter Stuffins and found it encouraging to see a Gay Black actor playing a businessman when Robert Guillaume and Nell Carter were still playing domestics and Bill Cosby was getting all the praise for his heterosexist classist pilpul.

Shame that Zack Jr and Slater Jr landed acting gigs before desperation turned them to OnlyFans.

Blossom wasn’t afraid to tackle controversial topics. The mother walk out of the family to pursue her own self interest, the show didn’t shy away from the oldest brother’s recurring drug and alcoholic addiction which wasn’t only a special one off ep and the other bro was a typical meat head obsessed with sex.

This is desperation with a capital D. How long before they reboot the reboots? How about [italic]The New New Leave it to Beaver[/italic]: Wally and the Beav live in the Mayfield Retirement Community waiting for their children and grandchildren to visit them, while Eddie Haskell's grandson is one of the attendants there.

BEAVER: Gee Wally, if Lumpy and Eddie were still alive, we could all get our own TV show and call it "the Golden Guys."

WALLY: Yeah, but who'd watch us except old ladies and their gay neighbors?

EDDIE HASKELL III: Okay Cleavers, time for your "medication!" Heh heh heh!

BEAVER: Gosh, that medication looks awfully green and sticky.

WALLY: And it smells like those rock concerts I used to go to back in the early 1970s.

Or [italic]What's Happening Now NOW!![/italic] in which Raj, financially distressed because Rob's place closed because of the pandemic, finally sells a screenplay — to a porno studio owned by the same company who owns the software company where Dwayne is on the board of directors. He needs the money to pay for Dee's breast cancer treatment. Trouble is, they'll only make the deal if Raj's wife Nadine appears in the movie.

DEE: I'm sure I'll adjust to life somehow. Nadine has no breasts and she lives a full, active life. They even want her for a dirty movie!

NADINE: I'm not doing it, Raj. I'm not getting on a movie camera and showing another man my body.

RAJ: But how else are we gonna get the money?

DWAYNE: I could give you a personal loan.

RAJ: I couldn't ask a friend to loan me money. At least this way I'll finally have a screen credit to my name.

NADINE: But you won't be able to get hired for any other type of movie. No mainstream studio will hire you.

RAJ: Even the one that made [italic]Magic Mike[/italic]?

NADINE: I'm not sure I could live with the guilt.

DEE: I sure could.

[Quote] I threw my Blu-ray of it away when Greg Berlanti put tranny propaganda on one of his shitty CW shows.

That seems like an overreaction.

Burning it would release toxic chemicals into the environment.

R267 Seriously. They could've sold them on eBay and at least made some money

Power Rangers had hotter guys

[quote]R256 is playing the race card and the V-card to justify using bad TV to promote gay erasure, especially gay male erasure.

Bitch, please. I'm a gay male and longtime DLer. Are you taking cues from Trump and just making shit up, as long as you get to play the victim? And how, exactly, is it "okay" to accuse someone else of bigotry while so rampantly embracing it yourself? (e.g. "tranny propaganda") [italic]Some[/italic] of us are able to acknowledge that despite whatever problems many of us had growing up, trans kids had it far worse, and are well overdue for strong representation in media. Those of us in the reality-based world understand that this has nothing whatsoever to do with "gay erasure."

[quote]Putting sneer quotes around the word homophobia is what anti-gay Christian fundamentalists do.

It's also what normal people do when LITERALLY QUOTING SOMEONE.

[quote]I took my mother to see it when she visited me. I threw my Blu-ray of it away when Greg Berlanti put tranny propaganda on one of his shitty CW shows.

This is [italic]literally[/italic] classic Trump: accusing someone of bigotry, and then going on to EXHIBIT EQUALLY BAD BIGOTRY in the next fucking sentence! I'm not homophobic, sexist, racist or ageist, but you're DEFINITELY transphobic.

It's also telling in other ways, e.g. you supposedly "buying the Blu-ray" of "Love, Simon." That part's doubly weird: you loved a movie about teen boys enough to buy it ... and also bought a physical copy, which is extremely weird. Further down the road to the bizarre: you ostensibly threw it away because its writer dared to introduce "tranny propaganda" on one of his shows. What the actual FUCK?? You were so upset by what I assume is a mere trans storyline – on one of Berlanti's multiple shows about DC superheroes, never mind the reality that LGBTQIA (yep, ALL OF THEM) characters have appeared in the source material for decades – that you tossed a perfectly good DVD that had nothing else in common with it?

This is all fucking bizarre. Please seek help.

Jason and Tommy >>>>> Zack and Slater

That show sucked, too, and its producers were homophobic crooks. Haim Saban is one of the biggest music thieves in the business.

Saban underpaid those young Power Rangers actors. They had to work 6 days a week all year, only being allowed 2 or 3 weeks off a year and were paid like $650 a week or something. They also had to do conventions and meet and greets etc.

The reason Jason, Zack and Trini left was because they were all fired after demanding more money. They wouldn’t stop and boycotted, as the show can’t film without the 3 rangers, but that backfired and Saban just fired them, stitched random footage for a couple of episodes and shot new material around them, and hired 3 new actors instantly, Rocky, Adam and Aisha.

The only issue Saban gained from that was they had to rewrite the movie script with its new 3 characters and change some stuff, as the movie originally had the original crew and the story was a bit different with them.

I remember about a decade ago the Pink Ranger did an interview where she spoke about how underpaid they were. Saban was bringing in hundreds of millions a year from Power Rangers, yet were paying the actors a few hundred a week.

[quote]They could've sold them on eBay and at least made some money

It would still be promoting the work of a traitor.

I totally remember watching b&w sitcoms on CBN in the pre-Nick at Nite days. And I also remember the Westerns, which I had no interest in, but that I would catch the tail end of before Patty Duke came on in the afternoon, which I loved because I had a proto-gayling crush on the nerdy brother. CBN also had that afternoon gameshow rerun block that I always confuse with USA which also had one. And then USA became the home for Saved By The Bell in syndication, bringing this all full circle.

R277: They only had the new class while TBS had the old one and IIRC put it on right before [italic]The Jeffersons[/italic].

TBS would air SBTB for hours in the morning and then again in the afternoon. They aired the original and College Year(s) while USA aired the New Class.

I remember about 10 years ago SBTB was played like crazy, even MTV and “The N” (the now defunct Nickelodeon teen channel) would play SBTB all the time. MTV2 also.

This kind of bigoted propaganda does have an effect on the real world.

IFC Channel now airs SBTB

Misogyny and homophobia are not funny, and they are even less funny when marketed to children and teenagers.

I never saw the College Years. Did I miss anything fun?

Nope. [italic]Married With Children[/italic] made a joke about a show called [italic]Saved By The Bell: The Prison Years[/italic]. Then Dustin Diamond went to jail. Too bad the rest of the cast couldn't have joined him.

The College Years was actually good.

Dennis Haskins was hot. I used to rub one out to Mr. Belding.

Is he bisexual?

[quote] I used to rub one out to Mr. Belding.

That's one sentence I thought I'd never hear in my life!

Mark-Paul and Mario were HOT on THE COLLEGE YEARS.

R288 and they knew it

[Quote] even MTV and “The N” (the now defunct Nickelodeon teen channel) would play SBTB all the time. MTV2 also.

And now MTV is a former shell of what it once was....

MTV is still around?

Yes. They play Ridiculousness 24/7

[quote] I never saw the College Years. Did I miss anything fun?

The guy who played the professor - Patrick Fabian

Finally, a show that validates trans women's identities as women, not like that cisf@g-loving [italic]Punky BrewsTERF[/italic]!

Holland Taylor was great on The College Years

The original had a no homo vibe to it that made it unwatchable.

The new one is even worse because it still makes gays invisible while actively trying to erase gay men by saying we are not actually male. And they are not even waiting until the age of consent to do it.

Omfg. The original started in the late 80s and ended in 1993. How much gay representation was on TV in general then, yet alone on a kids program?

Zach and Slater clearly hooked up at some point in 1993. I know because I read it on Nifty once!

Poor John Michael Higgins, he is too good/funny for this shit.

Anyone with talent is too good for this. Hayley Mills dodged a bullet by getting fired after season 1.

Speak for yourself.

It's kind of strange that the first season was supposed to center around Miss Bliss. Did they think an audience of kids and teens would be interested in this middle-aged schoolteacher lady?

Who doesn’t love Hayley Mills though?

R303, I like her well enough, but my pre-aware-gayling self wasn't paying nearly as much attention to her as I was to Zack Morris.

They should've cast Donna Pescow instead of that British tea bag. Did the same people who produced Good Morning Miss Bliss also produce The Undoing?

Donna Pescow could not get out of [italic]Out of this World[/italic] which overlapped with it.

Who is Donna pesCOW?

R307 = Karen Lynn Gorney

[quote] Donna Pescow could not get out of Out of this World which overlapped with it.

Not necessarily. The pilot for Miss Bliss was shot in '87. I'm sure with her in the role, it would've been greenlit immediately and been on the 87-88 schedule and she would've have to turn down Out of This World.

Even her name sounds like a religious reference.

No kids wanna see a show about a middle aged single school teacher, and they didn’t, hence the show getting canned.

DIDNT they skip episodes and not air them originally to rush to the finale? Those episodes were debuted in syndication.

Then the Execs at NBC liked MPG as Zack Morris so much (as well as viewers) that they came up with the idea to revamp the series and have him as the star and drop the teacher and half the cast and air it on Saturday mornings, against cartoons. It worked and was the first of its kind, which is why it’s still so revered.

If even a six-year-old could see why this show is stupid, why is it still on the air? Because it serves NBC's agenda to erase homosexuality.

Sure, Jan.

[italic]Will & Grace[/italic] was an awful show that reinforced every negative of gays stereotype in the book. They are both in-house NBC productions.

NBC "News" also published this racist, homophobic, androphobic tirade. How much white privilege or male privilege did Matthew Shepard have when he was being beaten to death?

Can you start an NBC homophobia thread so we can get back to Saved By The Bell?

Is it odd that I watched all of SBTB as a kid and I honestly can't remember what a typical plotline was about?

End this fucking show. Permanently. And withdraw the reruns from circulation, too. If they can do that to [italic]Amos 'n' Andy[/italic] for less than this, then they sure as hell can do it to this bigoted mess.

R318 please please seek mental health. Your behavior all over this site is out of control.

This is more proof we'd be better off if NBC had gone out of business 40 years ago. The US got by just fine without a National Broadcasting Company prior to 1927. And its founder was a crook!

David Sarnoff was a swindler.

[quote]This is more proof we'd be better off if NBC had gone out of business 40 years ago. The US got by just fine without a National Broadcasting Company prior to 1927. And its founder was a crook!

Pipe down Sigourney.

Elizabeth Berkley was very pretty. She tall and thin. Should have modeled after SBTB. They made her character so shrill and annoying though.

Just for this, I'm transitioning to blackness for when they reboot [italic]Growing Pains[/italic] so I can call y'all racist for calling me homophobic!

R324 you sound moronic.

He literally speaks openly against homosexuality

Shows like this are why it should be illegal to be white. Putting people of color in it just drags them down to the level of the least talented whites and makes POCs complicit in making bad TV.

Frankly, the Kanisky girls from [italic]Gimme A Break![/italic] had hotter boyfriends than any of the losers on this show. One of them is on [italic]Cobra Kai[/italic] right now.

Exhibit B:

No "Growing Pains" reboot, Alan Thicke is gone. Unless they can get Leo!

I'm not surprised that Mario held up better than Gooselaar, but it is a bit surprising that Elizabeth looks better than Tiffani.

R323 Yeah she tall and thin. Kind of modeled after SBTB. She did ‘something’, remember?

R331 Yep. Showgirls.

Lark played a single mother on Fresh Prince who dates Carlton and tells him that it's his baby.

Tiffani played iconic bitch Valerie on 90210

The most fascinating girl on 90210

I'm kind of shocked that I'm saying this, but the show turned out to be...really good?

Was Elizabeth Berkley pregnant? Episode 2 she is walking down the hall holding a folder in front of her and moves it sideways when she turns. Obvious TV hiding technique.

[quote]Jessie on SBTB was every negative stereotype of a rich white feminist while Kelly and Lisa were portrayed as vapid valley girls.

Originally "Lisa" was supposed to be a "a fashion-obsessed, Jewish American princess, with rich doctor parents."

However, they ended up hiring Lark for the role because they just adored her.

Then Lisa Turtle was seen as progressive, especially in SBTB after Miss Bliss ended. There weren't many rich black girls on TV back then.

On one of the shows about the history of the series, they mentioned that the cost of her wardrobe in comparison to everyone else's was insane.

No, R336, you just have cultural Stockholm Syndrome.

R338 Lisa was one of my favorite characters because despite being a bit shallow, she was at least funny and had good lines. Kelly was kinda boring but she was supposed to be the girl-next-door that the guys fought over. Tiffani is more interesting as Valerie on 90210. Jessie was annoying at times with her self-righteousness though she had her comical moments too like the caffeine pills episode.

Lisa was mean to Screech.

R334 my favourite 90210 character 😍

They all were mean to Screech. Zack his "best friend" was a bully to him.

Lisa just wanted Screech to quit chasing her around which is completely understandable but he kept doing it hence she being rude to him. It's the same dynamic as Laura and Urkel from Family Matters and Jazz and Hillary from Fresh Prince. A lot of that male stalker humor doesn't age well.

Remember when Zack helped deliver Mr. Belding's kid in that stalled elevator?

What high school principal allows a student to look at his wife's coochie?

Belding's kid?.....Fool.

Mark-Paul didn't need steroids at all. He was cute before and after on NYPD Blue and Franklin and Bash. He is also gorgeous with her natural dark hair.

*his

[quote] What high school principal allows a student to look at his wife's coochie?

With the cuckold fetish on the rise, I imagine quite a few.

Looking at the Gimme a Break clip at R328 , I forgot how annoying Samantha was. It might be worse than Cathy "Kitten" Anderson trying to play perpetually cute and precocious when she was too old and not a good actor to begin with. That aside, Gimme a Break and Mr. Belvedere probably had a more realistic view of teens than the other sitcoms of the era.

I love this reboot. The sly tone and gentle mocking of the original was a solid choice by the writers. I have only two complaints that are entirely personal:

1) Mario Lopez is the most annoying no-talent ties I have ever witnessed. The show openly makes fun of how cheesy he is as a “hot guy” . He’s such a wiener.

2) I am not transphobic but Josie Totah is unequivocally the worst part of the show. She is very ugly, has a horrific nasal vocal quality, horrible fashion sense, horrible hair and trying to convince people she’s the hot girl in a high school in Malibu? Uh, no. She’s such a bad actress they have to cut around her. She has no CLUE how to act like a hot girl and instead acts like a bitchy, femmey, gay man. Get her to an acting coach. STAT. And get her some vocal training.

Overall, I love it. I love the terrible childish storylines they shove up their own asses.

[quote] I am not transphobic but Josie Totah is unequivocally the worst part of the show.

I didn't put two and two together and recognize her from Mindy Kailing's "Back in the Game." She has been acting a long time.

I also like the character, she reminds me of the Nicole Ritchie vapid type.

The strength of this show lies in the fact that it clearly knows what it is and recognizes how ridiculous and cheesy the original series was.

[quote]Was Screech too busy with his scat porn career to be in this?

Lark did a radio interview on Kiss92.5 and

[quote]"[With] Dustin Diamond, the almighty dollar rules on that," she alleged about his lack of participation to Toronto's KiSS 92.5. "He wants to be paid and respected. We would love for him to come back on set. He's going through his growing pains...He's going through his adult issues and all of that but I am sure he'll be back—granted they have the perfect contract for him. I'm sure he would be back."

In another interview the cast members said they haven't spoken to him since the show ended.

Anti-Semitism is why they have ostracized him. It’s the same reason they made him the butt monkey in the first place.

The Zac kid is pretty good.

Why does Hoog dress like Hillary Clinton?

Was Woody Allen a fan?

....

They replaced a Jewish man with a tranny camel jockey. Antisemitism and homophobia in one fell swoop.

Crap then, crap now.

Johnny Yong Bosch still looks good.

The desperation of some gay men is fucking embarrassing.

So I guess they'll remake everything now. California Dreams?

Well, the world could always use more Michael Cade, R361.

Is Cade gay?

Cheesiest theme song and intro ever. But the guys were much hotter on CD than SBTB.

But it still had the same lousy writing and fundie producers and it still put animators out of work.

Peter Engel is a hack and a bigot. His work needs to be canceled. At least when Norman Lear preaches to you, he’s preaching from the old testament instead of the new one.

I can't believe that [italic]Saved by the Bell: The New Class[/italic] got away with reusing the same exact theme song as SBTB but also ripping off the cast racial dynamics and the plotlines. Also this ran for 7 years and 7 seasons. Most people have never even seen this because it wasn't syndicated that long so it must have been universally loathed despite airing for 7 years!!

I imagine this is what Hilary Duff wanted the Lizzie McGuire sequel to be. This is similar to Cobra Kai and that recent Power Rangers movie. Has more mature humor and targeted towards millennials not young kids.

The main criticism of Girls Meets World and Raven's Home was that they were trying to target young kids instead of the now adult audience that grew up with it. But Full House was so juvenile though that Fuller House was not that jarring.

Maybe they'll make a sequel to California Dreams where they're jaded adults of a broken up one-hit-wonder band that went their separate ways. And decide to reunite to hilariously tragic results.

Nothing says "mature" like saying gay men are actually heterosexual women. Anyone who watches this show has gay and lesbian blood on their hands.

End this racist misogynistic anti-semitic homophobic nightmare!

Cobra Kai Convinced Mario Lopez to Return for Peacock's Saved by the Bell

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He looks morecmixed race there, R371. I've never seen it in him. Mixed race myself.

I'm watching the show now. I like the 30 Rock humor and the tranny is actually funny though not easy on the eyes. Elizabeth Berkley is a dead ringer for Mariah Carey these days. She should play her in a biopic. Did she always have a gap in her two front teeth?

I can’t watch this. Too scary 😧. Afraid it would give me nightmares.

Should have named it Saved By The Bell: 30 Years Slater

Dustin Diamond had 6 years on this "New Class" spin off?! He must have Fuck You money.

R376 He has a history of financial issues. At one point, he was raising money online to save his home from foreclosure.

Ah, his money went up his nose.

[quote] He must have Fuck You money.

Some people are bad with (Fuck You) money. Bad investments, costly coke habit, frequent QVC / Home Shopping Network shopper, etc.

I wonder how much money the original cast made when the show originally aired. It wasn't a primetime show and maybe they made some extra money via the merchandising. There was the short lived College Years show that aired in primetime and I'm guessing there was a pay increase for the cast members who did that show.

I also remember a thread years ago on DL where a poster said that he or she worked at a bank in LA where Lark Voorhies banked at. The poster said it was common for Lark and her mother to be in the bank lobby arguing over withdrawing money. It came out years back that Lark has mental health issues. The mother claimed that Lark is bipolar. Lark denied it and said she suffered from depression. There was some drama and they appeared on Dr. Oz.

Some people with mental illness can't manage money well. My parents have a friend whose daughter is bipolar. She ended up giving custody of her kids to my parents' friend because she was overspending and been evicted from an apartment. I also had a co-worker who was managing her mentally ill brother's finances because he had to go on SSDI because it was recommended by doctors that he could no longer work.

"Too scary," R274? WTF?? It's based on a literal children's show (that aired Saturday mornings), and the reboot is readily wholesome enough for teenagers to watch. (Well, assuming they don't have MAGAt parents triggered by the sight of a trans character. We know how fragile & snowflake-like those types are!)

Also, despite the longevity of the first show & its two sequels, I wouldn't even remotely assume Dustin Diamond ever had fuck-you money. Long-running shows are no guarantee of a hefty paycheck, which for the most part are limited to primetime sitcoms that even 30 years ago were routinely sold into syndication for nine-figure sums. This is how Jerry Seinfeld ended up with a $400 million windfall (circa 2000 but likely much larger today): as his show's creator & EP, he had an ownership stake in it. Ditto Bill Cosby, though I imagine he blew through a solid chunk of his take paying off the scores of women he raped.

Somewhat similar for marquee primetime network dramas, especially long-running and/or highly rated ones. DL fave Mariska Hargitay is now the highest-paid actor on any such show – meaning network, and not including shit like Nicole Kidman's or Reese Witherspoon's HBO series – with a paycheck of over $600K per episode. (Ellen Pompeo is a close second on per-episode paychecks, but makes more on whole because she managed to negotiate a piece of syndication / streaming profits for "Grey's Anatomy." AFAIK she's the only TV actor (on a network drama) who's EVER managed to get that, but OTOH she's the literal title character in one of the longest-running primetime dramas ever, excepting L&O and its spinoffs.)

When The Avengers went on to film (it had previously been made on videotape), Patrick Macnee got a percentage of the show (ownership).

R82 Actually, I can detect the outline of his head.

R134 Makes sense. MPG's parents are both Dutch (his mom is half Indonesian) who emigrated to the US, where MPG was born.

Lopez is Chicano from SoCal. From my understanding and experience, the only Latinos who tend to circumcise in the US are Cuban-Americans.

So the MTF is the head cheerleader and the black girl is the starting quarterback? 🤣

Anyone catch the recent episode where Mark Paul Gosselaar’s ass was looking mighty bubbly and delicious in a skin-tight pair of black pants? Hot!

I must find time to watch this mindless shitfest.

Got any screenshots, r385?

{R387} I do actually, but I sheepishly admit that I’m a computer illiterate eldergay and I don’t know how to link it. Sorry!

I wonder if they will make a tribute episode to Dustin Diamond who recently passed away

Will this be returning?

I believe they are filming season 2 now.

Yes, S2 is in production.

Cancel this homophobic shit show.

Just finished season 2. I liked the first season and thought season 2 was even funnier. Really hope it gets a 3rd season.

Did they add anything gay in season 2?

Hoog.

Gay? Yes. Male? No.

R397 Somehow this doesn't surprise me.

From the reviews, this season seems to be all about the trans character, so I am hesitant to watch. And what happened to Jamie... he looks like a greasy mess with that hair. At least Mac still looks like a bottle blond gay twink.

Lexi is definitely not the focus of the season. At all. The show is very much an ensemble, although probably the biggest arc belongs to Mac this year. They also make really good use of the original cast this season and do some really funny stuff involving the bizzaro world of Valley.

So the one semi-regular gay male character is written like a mincing stereotype who pops up every so often to squeal about the straight couples...