Violence Near Penn Campus After Walter Wallace, Jr Shot 10+ Times By Philadelphia Police.

[quote] Alert: Paid right-wing propagandists Andy Ngo (@MrAndyNgo) and Ian Miles (@stillgray) are currently spreading disinformation related to ongoing events in Philadelphia.

[quote] They monetize on protests & police brutality, and self-amplify using inauthentic accounts. #Philly

If Philly had this model that they are implanting in San Francisco...

[quote] Removing police from most nonviolent psychiatric and behavioral crisis calls is no small shift: they can account for a quarter or more of all police calls for service. If you add in 911 calls for issues or complaints surrounding homelessness, the numbers shoot even higher, police data show.

[quote] Moreover, surveys show that nearly a quarter of fatal police encounters followed calls about "disruptive behavior" directly tied to a person's mental illness and/or substance abuse disorder. Federal Bureau of Justice Statistics surveys show that 64% of those in jail and more than half of all prison inmates have a mental health problem, many of them undiagnosed.

[quote] "They're (police) handling these calls the best they can," Pang says, "but the fact remains that because of the traditional system, which is in place out of inertia, you have law enforcement officers responding to nonviolent, noncriminal calls for service for people whose needs are largely social, behavioral or mental. And that's just not right," he says. "The time is now to rethink the entire process so that we can get personnel who are better suited to help people" in those kinds of crises.

More killer white supremacist cops trying to get rioting and looting going before the election.

Angry people vote.

Just saying.

Someone just drove a truck through a police line and hit an officer.

Sorry, link:

Business owners guarding against looters:

Lootin' n' shootin':

They also started looting. The shooting footage is out there. Justified shooting.

Trunkloads of merchandise.

It's not much, but it's some small taste of justice that soothes the grief a little:

Antifa fighting the cops who are attempting to disperse the crowd:

The shooting

They don't carry stun guns? Tazers? They had to kill?

Ongoing Protest

Chaotic

This is a setup. No way that all happened that fast.

Car set on fire

R13 Police departments release detailed written protocols of what types of force may be used in which situation, and by what means that decision should be made. The "Use of Force Decision Chart" is on page 4.

Fighting

October surprise.

It was probably the right wing instigators again. It always is.

Conveniently in a battleground state on the eve of the election.

A mentally ill man with a knife coming at you can kill you the same as a mentally healthy man can kill you.

The FBI will confirm that it was a right wing attack. It always is.

Nothing new!

R23 "Always"

Wait, you think the mentally ill man with the knife is a right wing instigator?

Mmmmm, 'kay.

Stand back and stand by.. until Monday night in PA.

More fighting

I'm sure this has nothing to do with any political events that took place today.

Anger at the Police

^ A better link

So not only are these "protestors" conniving Republican ratfuckers, they're also heroically expressing the righteous anger of the people?

[quote]No Justice, No Peace

Not good for Biden. This shit is going to end up with yet another Trump win.

People remember the summer riots and are still voting for Biden. I just hope he has a good response to this. Maybe a quick jaunt to Philly?

Dont worry, Melania and Kellyanne will be in PA today. If anyone will bring a calming influence its those two!

Police reform is badly needed. This includes the training of police officers and promoting transparency in law enforcement operations. A systems failure whereby the use of deadly force is the default standard that’s applicable to a wide-ranging situations. It merits examining the effectiveness as well as related aspects of social justice. The hypocrisy and silence of police as an institution in these matters have contributed to much of the distrust thrown their way.

That said, the glaring fact is that some in BLM movement now believe POC, mentally ill or not, should be able to directly approach police officers while intently aiming deadly weapons (such as knives) at them. The worst that should happen to these perpetrators is having tasers used on them, notwithstanding the fact that tasers have varying outcomes depending on a multitude of factors.

Should mentally ill individuals who happen to be POC be allowed to walk down the street while openly armed with weapons and not expect police response? What should be the breaking point where the threat and use of deadly force against these individuals be allowed? When they actually harm or kill? The movement went from rightly demanding police not abuse their powers and overuse deadly force, to special rights for POC to threaten and approach police officers while holding weapons.

As for the engagement of social workers in situations involving the mentally-ill population, the potential for injury or death resulting from armed perpetrators would entail the police presence anyway. Once weapons and intention of using said weapons are introduced to these situations, it pretty much would have to involve law enforcement.

These events are now nothing but precursors to coordinated looting and wanton destruction of property. Violence and crime are logical outcomes to justified or unjustified police use of deadly force, no examination of facts needed. Just go from indignation based upon a belief or bias, to turning that indignation indiscriminately against all police officers and the community at large. Enough.

Looting

Choppy video of looting

Free for all

R34, I hope you're right, but the critical problem here is that this is happening not just in Pennsylvania but in Philadelphia. Biden can't win PA without a strong showing in the Philly suburbs. Philadelphia is a very insular area. Lots of suburbanites still have strong ties and strong identification with the city.

This will not help him, although hopefully it won't hurt him too badly.

[quote]Should a mentally ill individual who happens to be POC be allowed to walk down the street while openly armed with weapons and not expect police response? When they actually harm or kill?

Why not, if a random 17 year old white boy can kill an unarmed protester with a fucking assault rifle just yards away from the police, only to have the pig unions are donate to his defense fund?

R34

He'll hide in his basement.

Fuck off, R42.

The problem in Philly is that the Democratic mayor is hated beyond belief, almost at New York City level. He doesn’t do anything to stop this shit and the current DA doesn’t believe in prosecution. The bar wouldn’t even recommend him. He’s a bizarre bleeding heart that believes crimes are not the fault of the assailant. It’s fucking crazy. It’s a free for all. They also wanted to open safe injection sites in the trendiest areas of the city and that whole soda tax, the money went missing. They alternative candidate was a Trumpster, so i couldn’t bring myself to vote for him, but if there was a moderate Republican, I would have voted for him. The first and only Republican vote I would have given. It’s jus simply that bad. They’re blowing up ATMs all over the city. They had to board up stores. People couldn’t get medication because they were looting pharmacies.

If you have a mentally ill or drugged person who is armed, who should deal with this situation if not the police? Social workers? Therapists? Psychiatrists?

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Gurl, let me tell you I racked up some fine ass merch last nite !

The other day a man was stabbed to death by his son on my street. I’m not sure who is supposed to put their lives on the line and deal with mentally ill people with knives. In this case, everyone is upset the police didn’t prevent it.

Fuck the cops

Fuck those looters. They might as well be on Trump's payroll. This is not going to help anyone but Trump.

[quote] The other day a man was stabbed to death by his son on my street. I’m not sure who is supposed to put their lives on the line and deal with mentally ill people with knives. In this case, everyone is upset the police didn’t prevent it.

Where. R48? That is unfortunate.

But also, you answered your own question; this man's mother was present and attempting to deescalate the situation. Perhaps she would have ended up like the father on your street, who knows. But if she was engaged, I say that is her choice to make.

[quote] Fuck those looters. They might as well be on Trump's payroll.

We don't know yet that they aren't.

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@Civiqs

(B/C) Pennsylvania poll October 23-26: Biden 52%/Trump 45% (+7) MOE +/- 3%

[R51] it was in Northern Virginia and the father who died was a lawyer and adjunct faculty at Georgetown University. He had a restraining order which didn’t do much.

It's not going to matter if Trump paid them, R51. The damage they've done isn't going to fall back on him. Do you really think that the news would report that? How do you prove that, in time to save votes? You can't just SAY that, FFS. It's easier to assume those dumbasses are rioting and looting because they want to and they give no fucks about the outcome of the election.

The mayor and governor need to bring in national guard now. Trying the low policing strategy doesn’t work this year

If/when the police are eradicated, more people, many most, will buy a gun or guns. Maybe that will be the great leveler - less crimes because you have to assume your victim is armed. It’ll be a bloodbath for a while, though...

-^maybe most

no, just no, not at all, R56

[quote] Not good for Biden. This shit is going to end up with yet another Trump win.

Yep. Trump wins PA now. Biden needs to win FL to counter this, or he's toast.

what happened to stun guns?

Looting is just an excuse to steal. The people that are having their items stolen didn't do anything. People only hurt their own communities and causes by looting.

Eradicating the police is a horrible idea and not supported by anyone sane.

[QUOTE] Yep. Trump wins PA now. Biden needs to win FL to counter this, or he's toast.

He’s already toast. This just won Trump the election.

Why do you fucking idiots insist on pushing this canard that violence is good for Trump when Joe Biden’s poll numbers skyrocketed everytime there was a prolonged period of unrest in the streets? There is not one single incident of looting and protesting that produced a poll bounce for Trump because he always responds like a chimp with a machine gun. If anything it’s Democrats who should be rooting for another outbreak of civil disobedience.

Put this back in Trump’s lap. This is Trump’s America

R62 The polls are broken. Rioting can only help Trump.

R60 See: R18

If I ever ran at a police officer while holding a knife, I would expect to get shot. It's so obvious and predictable that I won't be surprised if we find out later that this guy intended to commit suicide by cop. Rioting for stuff like this is stupid. Reserve the rioting for all the real injustices the police engage in. This doesn't sound like one of those.

Here's video of the original shooting. He clearly understood he was risking being shot because the police had their weapons up already as he's running around them for the previous two minutes. He then lunges at them, and, predictably, they shoot. RIP. but what a fucking idiot.

[quote] They don't carry stun guns? Tazers? They had to kill?

This happened in Chicago last month: [quote] Body-worn camera videos released Thursday show officers traveling in their squad cars in search of the stabbing suspect. They come upon Warner, who is standing in the park near a bush. Officers get out of the car and tell Warner to put his hands up. Warner reaches down, picks up a bag and walks towards the officers while holding it in front of him, obscuring his right hand. The female sergeant discharges her stun gun, causing Warner to fall to the ground. Then, he stands up while holding what appears to be a long knife in his right hand and runs towards the sergeant, grabbing her by her vest with his left hand. Warner appears to thrust the knife towards the sergeant's abdomen, and the officers fire multiple shots at him. He was pronounced dead at the scene.

He was able to pull the taser prongs out and then continued to lunge at police. Tasers are not always the restraining tool you might think.

Pennsylvania Post-Debate Poll: Trump 48% Biden 48% Jorgensen 2%

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Pennsylvania is lost.

Democrats should have taken a much harder stance against rioting months ago.

Thinking anyone would blame Trump for this, or believe for a half second that these people are Republican operatives, is painfully retarded.

Rioting is getting very little mainstream media coverage

[quote] The mayor and governor need to bring in national guard now.

The mayor is on their side. I don’t see the governor getting involved.

Trump is toast.

Nobody gives a fuck about about Hunter Biden.

Nobody gives a fuck about Proud Boys rioting in PA.

ONE MORE WEEK - VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE VOTE

"Thinking anyone would blame Trump for this, or believe for a half second that these people are Republican operatives, is painfully retarded."

Apparently you've had your head stuck up your gigantic asshole for the past 4 years, otherwise you'd know the Trump campaign has been paying Betsy DeVos' rogue brother Eric Prince to foment these riots nationwide.

How can one individual be such a fucking moron like you, R70?

Reminder that much of the violence we saw this summer was actually perpetrated by Boogaloo Boys who went out of their way to try to frame BLM, Antifa, and peaceful protesters.

Why the fuck would you call your organization the Booglaloo Boys??

[quote]Thinking anyone would blame Trump for this, or believe for a half second that these people are Republican operatives, is painfully retarded.

This is a rightwing troll hoping you don't know that the FBI has charged far RIGHT activists and militia members for the murders of cops and for the burning of police precincts, which they then tried to blame on BLM and Antifa.

Again, the thread linked at R75 has the details and the news articles, which link to the federal indictments.

I guess the trolls in this thread are going to start a new one now that I've spilled the beans on the far right being the true culprit behind the violence this summer.

R76 If you're a media fabrication based on out-of-date memes from 4 years ago.

The man was only armed with a knife, those fucking psycho cops could've just charged and tackled him. There was no need to shoot.

I saw a film about Franco's torturers being pursued by their victims in International Court. The main, worst torturer was nicknamed 'Billy the Kid..' Violence is so associated with the U.S. and its culture. Sick.

Cops are the froth on our tainted society. We have to advocate for a less violent society. The mentally ill are something like 4% of violent actors.

Trump now ahead in Florida.

R80 Would you tackle a crazed man wielding a knife while charging at you, when there are other options that doesn’t lead to you potentially getting stabbed?

There were a whole team of cops in protective gear r83.

Is the cream cheese factory okay? still operating?

R84 Point taken. But protective gear doesn’t prevent getting stabbed altogether. Also, by tackling the knife-wielding perp, you’re also taking a chance of injuring him. He could unintentionally or intentionally stab himself during the struggle. Then it’s lawsuit time against the cops for tackling him and making him stab himself.

Aftermath

Call for Action tonight

Actually the RCP poll for FLA at the R82's link has Biden ahead...

Cleaned out

"How Close is Too Close", article on knives and police

R89, what do you mean? It shows Trump +0.4 at the top.

Sorry, I had another page open and looked at the wrong poll.

You could shoot out a kneecap, R83. You know, immobilize-not plug the guy with 10 rounds.

You know RealClear has links to the far right, eh, r82?

FAU poll

[quote] Two very different stories coming out today about the death of Walter Wallace. Different kinds of information are sticking out to different people.

[quote] Red=salient to the right [quote] Blue= salient to the left

[quote] There were a whole team of cops in protective gear [R83].

And he could’ve put down the knife. His mother was pleading with him to do so even while he was brandishing a knife at her, he could’ve stabbed her— thankfully he didn’t.

[quote] You could shoot out a kneecap, [R83]. You know, immobilize-not plug the guy with 10 rounds.

Sure. Shoot a moving target the size of your fist from four yards away. Careful as there are dozens of innocent civilians surrounding you, watching the proceedings along with other cops.

oops! Sorry.

Try this link for R97l

Interesting, R97. And very true about how people view news.

Rioters remember to Vote Democrat .

R101 , here . I am ca Democrat .

God needed another angel

Cops get target practice, R98.

The stores will relocate to other areas, the rioters only screw themselves when businesses decide they've had enough and leave.

For comparison: a white man with a knife...

Statement from Biden/Harris:

I'm not sure how alleged mental illness is supposed to factor in to cops' decision making. Wouldn't one assume that anybody who threatens/assaults family members (as Wallace allegedly did) with a weapon is not playing with a full deck? It's not like Wallace had down syndrome, he was still an able-bodied male capable of inflicting violence on others and himself, officially diagnosed mental illness or not. He already had a rap sheet, which included physically assaulting a police officer, a fact of which I'm sure the family was well aware.

The family also claims that they just requested an ambulance and NOT the cops, but how realistic is that? if you request emergency assistance you don't get to dictate the terms and you certainly don't get to tell cops what to do with their weapons; I truly doubt a pair of EMTs would think it in their job description to subdue and restrain a violent man with a weapon just because somebody prescribed him Lithium at one point. And what if every time cops showed up to a similar scene and somebody shouted "this person has mental illness!" How can they trust such outbursts?

This death is a tragedy but Wallace should have been institutionalized and not left to law enforcement to deal with.

If dumb, incompetent cops keep shooting Black citizens in the streets, crowds of citizens in the streets will continue to erupt in violence and protest against these murders.

The cops have to be brought under our civilian control and kept under it.

R108 Well stated. Once the perpetrator, mentally-ill or not, has a weapon and is threatening to use it, the police has to be involved. I didn’t know about the dumbass family believing that they, as people who called to report the incident, have any control in dictating how emergency and first responder services are dispatched.

No EMTs are going to risk getting killed in this and other similar situations, same goes for social workers. NONE of the social workers whom I work with express any desire to de-escalate violent situations without the perps fully restrained or safely contained. It’s the same with EMTs, when there’s a known violent situation that’s not secured and the perp is still active on the scene, they don’t go in without the cops giving okay first. That family is fucking crazy if they believe they get to control the scene.

I strongly disagree with both R108 and R110.

Police in Great Britain don't carry guns (except terrorism units). What do they do in situations like this?

Whatever it is, do THAT...

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Was on Lithium

He was a newlywed and about to have a baby.

R114 (and all her other posts) is racist trash, I don't know why you cunts come here.

Fuck off and die, bitch.

Well thank god this criminally dangerous nutcase was able to reproduce before he bought the farm!

A couple points that need to be said:

1. This has zero effect on the election. Philli was locked down bc of riots for 2 weeks earlier this year to the extent that Fedex and UPS stopped their delivery to large areas of the city--this won't even come close to that. Despite the doomsaying "trouble for biden, he's toast!" Biden actually has a decent lead in PA, likely because people can and do separate this BS from the election. (NOTE that the argument that "trump ferments this toxic culture which leads to riots, therefore remove trump and the riots go as well" is very easy to make as an actually reasonable counter)

2. LOL at the person above who posted a "trafalgar group" poll. They have had trump leading/tied with biden in literally EVERY poll they have released. Check out 538's commentary on trafalgar.

3. Double LOL at the people in this very thread who believe that the average voter would buy "yes there are people protesting who look and sound and otherwise act like democrats but actually it's republican instigators please believe me!" Delusional. Even if this were true I doubt anyone would say "See Honey?! It turns out that the "blm rioters" were actually the boogaloo boys so it's all okay #BLM" It's just such a ridiculous argument to expect any reasonable person to accept.

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[quote]He was a newlywed and about to have a baby.

*Snort*. Yeah, his NINTH kid by how many women? An unemployed woman beater, mother threatener, knife wielding drug addicted thug. with multiple priors. NINE fucking kids.

Some "family man". Oh my sides.

R111, to add to your post, the only part of the U.K. where police carry guns regularly is Northern Ireland and in recent years there there have been no deaths or even injuries from police shooting people. In the last two years there have been zero discharges of guns. These are people who regularly deal with paramilitary elements in NI. There is no reason for all the shootings which take place in the US.

^What do they do when someone charges them with an 8" knife? Why do they do when someone is shooting at them?

[quote]I didn’t know about the dumbass family believing that they, as people who called to report the incident, have any control in dictating how emergency and first responder services are dispatched.

Dataloungers talking out their ass again. How original.

Families of the mentally ill frequently call the police for help and advise as to what is wrong with the family member and what techniques have been used in the past when there have been incidents of violence.

In this case, the family had called for an ambulance, and police arrived first. It wasn't a case of the EMTs refusing to go in because of a dangerous situation, but rather the police going in first, not having learned anything about the situation before they got there. There was a history with Wallace plus cops had been there earlier in the day, plus the dispatcher had info. It either never got to the cops or they disregarded it.

Unfortunately, in recent years the police have taken to just murdering people instead of even trying to de-escalate.

Even the mayor and the police commissioner have said there are questions as to how this was handled and there has to be an investigation. Clearly, this was not handled correctly.

Datalounge is full of people who refuse to read the articles, plus those who literally believe what they make up in their own heads about laws, mental illness, crimes, etc. is the truth and anything else they hear is a lie, even if it's sourced, even if it's true.

It's a shame that the world has gone crazy and everyone thinks their own little personal opinion is more important than actual facts. It's a kind of mental illness of its own, and it's ironic how often it happens when DL is discussing mental illness.

It doesn't help that Datalounge blocks legitimate news sources nowadays, ones that have the real information about this case, because it (probably deliberately) helps to embolden the late-night racist fuckheads on Datalounge and the pure uncut bullshit being spewed on here.

I recommend the article "What we know about the Philadelphia Police shooting of Walter Wallace Jr." which DL won't allow links to. Search for the full title in quotes, you'll get it. The AP article is pretty good as well:

[quote]Families of the mentally ill frequently call the police for help and advise as to what is wrong with the family member and what techniques have been used in the past when there have been incidents of violence.

Oh yeah, that's why they called, Pollyanna....to "get advice". LOL. Not because a crazed lunatic was threatening them with a knife and had made countless violent threats in the past.

[quote] This has zero effect on the election.

Very naive.

Mother of unarmed man killed by Baltimore County police officer files federal suit

[quote] “My son was not a criminal,” Catherine Sopp said recently. “He suffered from a disease called alcoholism.”

[quote] When she dialed 911 one night last November, she wanted to let the Baltimore County police know that her adult son Eric had left their house drunk and could be a danger to others.

[quote] “Little did I know,” she said, “the help sent turned out to cost him his life.”

[quote] Pulled over by police on Interstate 83 soon after his mother’s call, Eric Sopp, 48, defied a police officer aiming a gun at him and shouting at him to stay in the car. As soon as he emerged, Officer Gregory A. Page fired eight shots into Sopp, killing him, his body-cam video shows. Within three weeks, the county prosecutor ruled the killing justifiable, and Page returned to full duty.

Calgary 'Worst use of force': Trial begins for officer who threw handcuffed woman to ground face-first

[quote] A disturbing video showing a Calgary police officer slamming a handcuffed woman into the ground face-first has been released by a judge at the constable's trial.

[quote] Const. Alex Dunn is on trial on a charge of assault causing bodily harm stemming from an arrest in 2017.

[quote] Dalia Kafi, who is Black and was 26 years old at the time, had been arrested on the accusation she breached a court-ordered curfew. She was at the CPS arrest processing unit when she was taken to the ground in what one 30-year officer says was the "worst use of force" he'd ever seen.

[quote] Kafi, whose head can be seen bouncing off the concrete floor, needed surgery for a broken nose and stitches in her lip.

^What happens in Canada is not relevant.

Are any of the protesters going to bother to vote? I'm thinking maybe 10%, max.

^That's being generous. Unless they are given something. They seem to like flat screen TVs.

R128. Yes, what happens in Canada and other 1st world countries is relevent. Only the USA shoots its own citizens down in the street regularly.

[quote] Yes, what happens in Canada and other 1st world countries is relevent.

No, it's not.

[quote] Even the mayor and the police commissioner have said there are questions as to how this was handled and there has to be an investigation.

The mayor is completely incompetent and the DA is a hippie liberal who won’t prosecute anyone. The city is a fucking disaster.

Did he really have NINE kids? Holy shit. Time to put salt peter in the water supply in that neighborhood.

[quote]Yes, what happens in Canada and other 1st world countries is relevent. Only the USA shoots its own citizens down in the street regularly.

If Canada and other 1st world countries had the demographics that the US has, believe me they'd be shooting.

No they would not. Fucking ridiculous.

Ghetto lives of any color don’t really matter. I honestly think I would feel worse if I heard that police officers shot a dog.

If a cop shot a dog I would be very upset.

Seriously, if cops were shooting dogs I would be the first one out marching in the streets.

R138 Is that a joke? They do this all the time and it's been a scandal for years. They get sued about killing people's dogs frequently.

[quote] Shaka Johnson, the family attorney for #WalterWallace Jr, says he doesn’t think the family wants the officers who killed their son to be charged with murder because they were “improperly trained and did not have the proper equipment”

Their legal team has discoveres they have no case and no goodwill from the public after the free-for-all.

[quote]Are any of the protesters going to bother to vote? I'm thinking maybe 10%, max.

I'm not sure what this tactic is but I've seen it a lot here the past few years.

Protestors are more likely the ones who are voting. How anyone could think anything different is incredibly odd.

[quote]Unfortunately, in recent years the police have taken to just murdering people instead of even trying to de-escalate.

As soon as police hear someone is mentally ill, especially before they are ever on the scene, then their tactics should change. I'm not sure how anyone could argue anything different.

As for the weird, "this will hurt the Democrats in the election!" tactic ... All of these protests are happening and the President hasn't done a damn thing to deescalate any of the issues in this country over the past few years. If anything it energies people to vote.

Campaigning in Michigan today:

What was his diagnosis? Bipolar depression? He was prescribed lithium so I assume he was seeing a psychiatrist. Was he noncompliance? Have a shitty psychiatrist? Or maybe he was just an animal.

NINE kids. NINE.

Do not compare the US population with the UK population. They are very very different. The notion of shooting a police officer is an anathema in the UK. The UK also does not have a population easily armed with guns to deal with.

Police took a Black toddler from his family’s SUV. Then, the union used his photo as ‘propaganda,’ attorneys say.

[quote] “This child was lost during the violent riots in Philadelphia, wandering around barefoot in an area that was experiencing complete lawlessness,” the union claimed in a tweet and Facebook post that have since been deleted. “The only thing this Philadelphia police officer cared about in that moment was protecting this child.”

[quote] But lawyers for the boy’s family say that story was a total fabrication.

[quote] In fact, they say police yanked the boy from the back seat of an SUV after busting all of the windows and violently arresting and injuring his mother, who was later released without charges.

[quote] Not long after midnight on Tuesday, Rickia Young, a 28-year-old home health aide, borrowed her sister’s car, put her 2-year-old son in the back seat and drove across town to West Philadelphia to pick up her teenage nephew from a friend’s house, Mincey said.

[quote] She was driving back to their home, hoping the purring car engine would lull her young son to sleep, when she turned onto Chestnut Street, where police and protesters had collided. She found herself unexpectedly driving toward a line of police officers who told her to turn around, Mincey said. The young mother tried to make a three-point turn when a swarm of Philadelphia officers surrounded the SUV, shattered its windows and pulled Young and her 16-year-old nephew from the car.

[quote] A now-viral video of the confrontation shows officers throw Young and the teenager to the ground and then grab the toddler from the back seat. The scene was captured by Aapril Rice, who watched it unfold from her rooftop and told the Philadelphia Inquirer that watching a police officer take the baby was “surreal” and “traumatic.”

[quote] The Inquirer first reported about the Fraternal Order of Police’s social media posts on Thursday. The photos of the boy in the arms of a police officer came amid a torrent of posts from the union decrying the protests in Philadelphia and urging people to vote for President Trump to promote “law and order.”

The video

[quote] On Thursday, the nation’s largest police union posted a photo to social media taken during the unrest in Philadelphia this week, where hundreds of protesters clashed with officers over the police killing of Walter Wallace Jr. The Fraternal Order of Police’s posts showed a Philadelphia police officer holding a Black toddler clinging to her neck.

[quote] “This child was lost during the violent riots in Philadelphia, wandering around barefoot in an area that was experiencing complete lawlessness,” the union claimed in a tweet and Facebook post that have since been deleted. “The only thing this Philadelphia police officer cared about in that moment was protecting this child.”

[quote] But lawyers for the boy’s family say that story was a total fabrication.

Enough of this.

R147 What horseshit.

Yay! More Democrat violence!

[quote] As soon as police hear someone is mentally ill, especially before they are ever on the scene, then their tactics should change. I'm not sure how anyone could argue anything different.

The initial and overall approach to situations involving mentally ill people is different. The tactics of dealing with a person who is an immediate threat to their lives or the lives of others can't and shouldn't change, regardless of the mental status of the violent person.