Were Cary Grant and Randolph Scott Really Lovers?

Do I think Cary Grant was gay as hell? Yes.

Do I think Cary Grant and Randolph Scott for lovers? Maybe, but mostly for the publicity. Stunt queens.

Absolutely

So I don't have to read the article or the book, is the answer yes?

Didn’t Dyan Cannon say absolutely not!

absolutely yes.......

Of course they were. And who gives a shit what Dyan Cannon says -- it's in her self interest to deny the obvious.

If you doubt he was gay, read this story relayed by Carleton Carpenter. The man is the sweetest, kindest soul...doesn't have it in him to make something up to hurt anyone.

"Another regret he has is far more lighthearted in nature — and it involves Cary Grant.

While performing on Broadway, the mega-star once visited Carpenter backstage unannounced and invited the cute young actor for a drink.

“I was taking my wig off and somebody knocked and there stood Cary Grant! My feet wouldn’t move. He’s saying how much he enjoyed me in the show and going on and all I could say was thank you,” Carpenter remembers. “He climbed three flights of stairs and I’m waving my wig at him. He said he would like to take me out and buy me a drink. In the meantime, I’m looking over at my rotten jeans on my dressing table and I thought, 'My God.' And I did have a date. I wanted to tell him I had a date but maybe all three of us could go out, but as soon as he heard the word 'date,' the door slowly began to close and he was gone. I’ve thought about maybe he wanted a piece of ass — he might very well have. He was a gentleman’s man as well as a ladies’ man.”

Really.... this is a question of course

Hottest couple of all time. Equally matched in good looks.

Sometimes while I'm wanking the husbear in bed I close my eyes and pretend he's Randolph Scott.

Were Cary Grant and Randolph Scott Really Lovers?

Written by Rose Nylund with a forward by Hellen Keller.

Per the linked article, the answer is no.

Who knows. I would assume that they were at one time - if only to become friends after. Grant was almost certainly gay though (at least very bi on the Kinsey scale).

Didn't Scott do a gay interview with Boze Hadleigh

Hadleigh made that shit up

Cary Grant was gay. This was confirmed by the long suppressed autobiography of Orry Kelly. Kelly was a famous costume designer for big Hollywood studios and won 3 Academy Awards for his designs. Orry Kelly was ALWAYS out of the closet. He never tried to pretend he was straight. Cary Grant was his roommate in NYC before they both left for Hollywood in the 1930s and his sometimes lover. This book was published in 2015, 50 years after his death from liver cancer, after it was found in a pillow case. : I'm not positive, but I believe that Kelly confirmed that Scott and Grant were also lovers.

Orry-Kelly. Women I've Undressed. 2015. Random House Australia. ISBN 978-0-85798-563-7

The only fag I’ve ever put in my mouth and gently sucked until it exploded was what you Americans call a cigarette, luv.

Seems like Grant was bi. Obviously had a thing with Scott, but as mentioned above, Dyan Cannon said he banged her. Hard to believe he didn’t bang Grace Kelly too (everyone did). There’s also a story recounted by Robert Evans where Grant came over to his house and talked at length (and presumably, sincerely) about his marriage, and women. Also the possibility shouldn’t be discounted that his sexual preferences changed over time, as is the case with many people.

The OPs link mentions 'evidence'.

None of that 'evidence' would stand up in court. Melting hearts and wishful thinking do not add up to evidence.

I think R17 is onto something. At 52, I know of a few high school friends who were really into guys (and girls) for a while - and passionately, too. I was the recipient of that passion. But, after marriage, kids, a few decades of age, each of them are just not into it anymore and are more content to be a straight man and focused on their women. I think this happens a bit. Young guys tend to fall for young guys.

[quote]with a forward by Hellen Keller

Oh, dear. (Helen)

Oh, dear. (Foreword)

Grant felt pressure to marry Cherrill in 1934, and by all accounts he acted like a gay man feeling pressure to "go straight." He was emotionally abusive, neglectful, and hostile from the very start, and it was all over within a year (no children, either, of course).

Grant had psychotherapy and used LSD in order to force himself to have sex with women. Sad times...

Guess it worked though, with Dyan anyway. Didn't they have a daughter?

Director Stanley Donen, who DL queens repeatedly insist had an affair with Gene Kelly, made four films with Grant. In fact, they formed their own production company -- a combination of their two names -- Grandon.

Donen's biography is LOADED with dish, except on one subject. Quoting:

"Donen recalled that he and Grant "used to talk endlessly -- which I will not talk about -- about his personal life, his love affairs, and his marriages and divorces."

So he'd talk about anything else, except Grant's private life.

Who was the top?

Randy had no hangups about his background or mother, so I'm assuming he was the top. But a gentle, nurturing top.

Bottoms have hangups? Explain.

I don't believe Scott and Leach were fornicating.

What interests me is that Leach's career stayed at the top for another 20 years while Scott's career immediately sank into rubbish movies.

The other thing that interests me is that Scott's career sank into rubbish but he was actually more handsome than Leach.

What's of interest, r27? Scott didn't have Grant's versatility.

Meaning that Grant was a stronger dramatic *and* comic actor. Scott was mostly a pretty face.

[quote] dramatic

Surely, you jest.

You think he was chopped liver in Notorious and North By Northwest?

He was chopped liver in "The Pride and The Passion".

[quote] A new book looks at the evidence.

I would consider their signatures on the home rental lease as admissable evidence.

This photoshoot would have taken 3 hours for the Publicity Department to shoot.

Scott came from a very wealthy family and made millions in California real estate. He may have died richer than Grant.

Michael looked like Randy.

r15 - I liked the documentary.

[quote] He may have died richer than Grant.

I wonder if they ever met over the subsequent four decades and reminisced over their short three-hour photo-shoot.

The documentary...

Randolph Scott was the poor man's Joel McCrea.

WHET Randolph Scott?

De rigeur

Joel McCrea ended up richer than any of them. His San Fernando Valley ranch Thousand Oaks became the town Thousand Oaks and was so big that when he agreed to drill for oil, he made sure the wells could not be seen from his house.

[quote] when he agreed to drill for oil, he made sure the wells could not be seen from his house.

I made sure of that too. What is so unusual about that that you feel the need to mention it R42: you type poors.

Randolph Scott came from a wealthy family, Cary Grant did not. On their relationship some big actress at the time commented, "They have the perfect partnership, Randolph pays the bills and Cary mails them"

Mr Scott was absolutely gorgeous. As beautiful as a man can get.

If you believe some of material in book "Hollywood Babylon" rumors about Cary Grant being gay go way back. There is a drawing of CG with exaggerated full lips (always a sign of a homosexual back then), eye makeup, etc..... disputing talk that he was "gay"....

I never found Randolph Scott to be handsome at all. But Joel McCrea- damn, now HE was gorgeous. And even sexier with a bit of rumpled, grumpy age to him (The More the Merrier and The Palm Beach Story) than in his younger Adonis days. What a shame he only played in Westerns after the early 1940s.

The only thing that makes me think Grant and Scott were not lovers is that this photo shoot is almost too obvious. It doesn’t seem in character for Cary Grant at all.

Even Scott's wiki page provides info about Cary and Randy. Plus they lived together 12 years! Of course they were together.

Cary Grant is a Hollywood legend who's still making money for Hollywood. There's no way he'll be officially declared gay or bi especially now when homophobia has been making a return with the rise of the right-winger conservatism. Grant's daughter has publically denied the gay rumors, saying her dad liked the rumors and used them to get women since apparently the ladies wanted to prove them wrong... I mean, oh dear.

I believe the rumors since they've been around for ages and there's just been so much of them. And obviously we've had so many gay Hollywood insiders saying he was gay which pretty much moves the whole thing from being just rumors to truth.

@r45, "Mr Scott was absolutely gorgeous. As beautiful as a man can get. "

Gary Cooper was hotter

Well, no one has answered the OP's question.

That's because there is NO answer to it.

It is an unanswerable question.

Hellen Keller couldn't Braille worth shit.

^ What are you attempting to communicate, Helen?

Betsy Drake (Grant's wife before Dyan Cannon), told Robert Osborne on TCM that she and Grant had a very active sex life and she didn't believe he was gay. Which doesn't mean he wasn't bi, of course.

Ask Betty White.

...all of a sudden!

The answer to R27's question about their relative popularity is, I suspect, that Grant's looks appealed much more to women than Scott's.

Oh c'mon. Grant was a much better, more charming actor than Scott. Scott was on the wooden side.