The Undoing (2020)

This was set for release on March 8th and has been set back to October 25th, due to Coronavirus. I watched the trailer, and it seems quite heavy and dark. But it's produced by David E. Kelley. The trailer seems to indicate a murder, a missing person, and "the naughty things rich people can do".

I don't really want to watch heavy and dark at the moment, but I see this is a limited series and has only six parts.

It's based on the book, “You Should Have Known".

Without spoiling, has anyone read the book and can tell how dark and foreboding it is?

The Undoing follows Grace Fraser, who is "living the only life she ever wanted for herself. She's a successful therapist on the brink of publishing her first book, has a devoted husband and young son who attends an elite private school in New York City. Weeks before her book is published, a chasm opens in her life; a violent death, a missing husband and in the place of a man Grace thought she knew, only a chain of terrible revelations. Left behind in the wake of a spreading and very public disaster, and horrified by the ways in which she has failed to heed her own advice, Grace must dismantle one life and create another for her child and herself".

It's about two people on the cusp of old age, one who has had a ton of facial work and one who has had zero.

R2 Hmmm, thanks. If Hugh is playing Nicole's husband, then I expect it will be some more of Nicole's symbolic finger pointing at Cruise again. Okay, I'll probably watch then.

Movies are dead.

damn, Hugh is starting to look terrible

[quote] Movies are dead.

Thanks for sharing, but this is a mini-series.

[quote]Donald Southerland

When will Nicole stop playing the 30 something mother of a young son? And her wigs are ridiculous.

Miss Kidman does not need advice from the likes of r9!

Seriously. Nicole is old enough to be a grandmother.

Time for her to go the Sally Field route

The title suggests it's about Hugh's looks.

It's such vanity to play the role of a mother of a young child when you're almost 60.

Hugh Grant IS sixty and is the father of a two-year-old in real life.

[quote] Seriously. Nicole is old enough to be a grandmother.

Isabella is 28 and Connor is 25. I'm surprised she's not a grandmother already, although I'm sure it would be in name only--she seems to have distanced herself from those children.

He didn’t physically birth said child, r15

cant abide anything with ms kidman in it.....look at her....fake from one end to the other.... why she marry gay men.....she is repulsive

Yes she is almost 60 for sure

Isabella was pregnant last year. When Nicole learned this, she gave her daughter a Connie Ford-style kick in the cunt, which caused a miscarriage. She could be heard screaming "why should I be crazy about being a grandmother"!

You heard it here first.

[quote]He didn’t physically birth said child

Evidently. That doesn't change the fact that he's the parent of a toddler.

I don't think Nicole Kidman is a terrible actress. The problem is that she's played Suzanne Stone in every role since 1995, and she seems to be exploring new facets of Suzanne Stone in this.

[Quote] I'm sure it would be in name only--she seems to have distanced herself from those children.

Other way around.

30 minutes in and it's awful

Hugh Grant? no thank you

"She's a successful therapist on the brink of publishing her first book, has a devoted husband and young son who attends an elite private school in New York City."

Ugh. I hate those Bloomingdale's people pictures.

Miracle of science granny has a young son. Maybe that will give him an edge to get into Brown.

The portions of Nicole Kidman’s face that struggle to move are truly an inspiration to us all.

Cautionary tale of aging. I hope to age gracefully between Hugh and Nicole having just enough work done to look good but natural.

R29 - Lauren Bacall! You're alive!!

Seriously, what the fuck did Kidman do to her face?

She looks hideous.

What a pathetic, miserable bitch that she thinks she still needs to look like she did 30 years ago.

Besides the face how was the show?

It’s a show about shoelaces... being undone.

The wig budget must've been $5.00. Nicole's looks sooooo cheap, as does the little girl's in the opening sequence.

Nicole Kidman is 53. That is not "almost 60 for sure."

I definitely get the vibe that Nicole stopped acting with To Die For and after that her main concern was and is to look "fabulous." This always backfires and makes the person a caricature widely mocked.

Her clothes in this show are rather nice, but totally upstaged by the young beauty who stands naked in front of the camera for an entire scene and owns it.

Doesn’t Hugh have a baby every decade? With different mothers. He was so handsome in Maurice. I love man-bobs.

R36 Honey she didn't 'act' in To Die For. She played herself.

damn, get your eyes checked, that man is not handsome and never was.

R15, Grant looks at least 70, and that's with good lighting and the 'Just for Old Men' grease in his hair. He needs to stop the 4 pack a day habit...

R1: "But it's produced by David E. Kelley. The trailer seems to indicate a murder, a missing person, and "the naughty things rich people can do".

From what I read on another site about an incident that happened 30 years ago, Kelley may personally know a lot about the subject. Something to do with Pfeiffer's sister's boyfriend's "suicide".

That just slipped out.

Damn, Donald Sutherland still works — in major movies with his name above the title??!? What a career, seriously.

And some of us can even spell Donald Sutherland's name correctly, Miss OP.

He can save even a pretty bad movie if they give him enough room. He's a fantastic actor.

Great actor, but I have to assume he was an absentee father based on Kiefer's behavior.

Glamorous wealthy people suffering. Kidman, doing her usual hyper tense Kidman thing, discovers husband Grant is cheating when his mistress turns up murdered. Sutherland plays her fabulously wealthy father. Twists and courtroom drama ensue. It Is said to change the plot of the book significantly.

I can't wait to see more of Donald Sutherlands' character. I was disappointed that he only had a couple of minutes air time in the premiere. Kidman and Grant were certainly well cast as rich New Yorkers, and I'm not normally huge fans of either of them. For some reason I giggled at Kidmans facial expression when she realized that she hadn't contacted her husband.

Regarding the comments here on Kidmans excessively Botoxed appearance, I think it actually works here. A wealthy, urban east coast woman in Kidmans social strata wouldn't dare age gracefully.

R47 Given so many folks now indulge in BoTox (and facelifts, etc) in the right roles more actors are actually going to be more believable in roles than they have been in the past so long as they stick to contemporary stories.

The novels they make these things from are crap (Gone Girl, The Girl in the Train or whatever that shit was) so I can only hope Kelley changed it for the better.

I'm going to continue watching for some reason. Apathy?

I just can't with her Disney princess wig in this. So sick of her wigs and frozen face.

When did Hugh Grant turn into Jerry Orbach?

LMAO R50...Disney princess wig is such a perfect description.

Okay, I thought it was one of those “Girl” things. Not interested.

I watched the first episode...

Hugh Grant's wrinkles are so distracting...He needs to moisturize!

I will give it another few more episodes...

Nicole's forehead moves so that's something...

It's fantastic. Gorgeous sets and costumes. It's not a subtle, slow-burn character study but rather an over the top ID Channel type show with A-List actors and a huge budget. Nicole's metallic dress at the auction and all of her coats are...To Die For (I'm here all week, folks!).

Nicole’s American accent slipped on the word “bodies.” Same vowel sound that tripped her up in Big Little Lies.

I thought the first episode was terrific. I’m loving Lily Rabe as a rich bitch. She’s a national treasure.

This is a mess. I don't even know what character died. They wasted 3/4 ths of the episode on hugh and nicole drivel.

They have absolutely no chemistry

I did not realize Edgar Ramirez was in this! I’ll be in for the long haul.

Nicole’s wig confuses me. So much money spent on production and they put her in a badly applied lacefront - bulky, unplucked, mediocre dye job, only one part. She needs a better stylist.

And I agree, R57 - Lilly Rabe is a national treasure.

I enjoyed the first episode..but Nicole is pulled tight. She has definitely had a face lift.

I thought Ramirez’ acting was almost amateurish in the premiere episode.

i bet hugh grant is the father of that baby

That was almost yelled from the rooftops, R62.

The Mistress looked like a Latina Jennifer Lawrence

Hugh won’t be able to pull this off, as there won’t be any opps to say: “Right. Brilliant.” His go to in any movie.

Despite Hugh looking like shit I think he’s pretty good

R64, I thought the exact same thing!

I just finished the first episode and am slightly reluctantly in for the long haul (I can’t resist a mystery). Hugh and Nicole have zero chemistry, but they are individually captivating in their individual roles. It’s kind of obvious Hugh’s character is the father of the dead woman’s baby and he’s paying her older son’s tuition...I guess the show won’t try to be too coy and we can assume he killed her. The rest of the show will likely just reveal how he did it and how Nicole’s character tries to keep it together in the face of scandal.

One thing I don’t really get...the husband left his phone at home even though he left for a business trip. While that’s slightly sketchy, did it warrant the overwrought reaction and loud, dramatic score? I felt like I missed something...

Pros: - Fun supporting characters - Gorgeous real estate and clothes - The son character is barely referenced

Cons: - Nicole’s wig - The leads are good, but kind of phoning it in - Who stands and paces during a therapy session?!

I’d be more inclined to watch this if “doing” in the title was pronounced like “boing.”

I like Hugh Grant at this stage of his career and the fact that he's sort of ravaged looking and not vain enough to get all sorts of 'procedures' done. He looks a lot worse than some of his character-actor contemporaries who were never 'heartthrobs' and could never have been leading men. The charm and screen presence are still there. He was fantastic in "A Very English Scandal."

Loved A Very English Scandal!

Grant was always pretty self-deprecating about his looks in interviews. When he was barely in his mid-thirties he said something about having gone through a "dishy phase" in his twenties but that it all went downhill pretty soon after.

Always fun as a cad, his earnest English loverboy roles were... lucrative. He's better now.

humblebrag

there, I've always wanted to say that

I just watched the first - episode or season? There's just the one on HBO which I have a month's free trial. Are the others available if I pay for a full subscription to HBO plus or max or whatever they call it? I"m unemployed dammit!

watching it now, rather slow....its a reminder that multitple nose jobs can be a disaster as evidenced by Kidmans mangled schnoze.

Cheap wig on the bitch too! like Wow.

r74 No HBO sticks with traditional broadcasting scheduling for its own productions - same day and time every week (sometimes they will skip a week) for the first run of a series and once an episode runs it usually remains available on-demand in the archive unless there is some time limited licensing arrangement (which almost never happens for HBO originals but other movies come and go monthly depending on the licensing).

Wait, that’s Hugh Grant? Are we calling him Huge Grant yet?

When did he morph into Ray Wise?

Love the scene of her in bed, with more makeup on that her husband (mr urban)....hell more than ru paul.

How do we know that isn't Nicole's real hair? I admit I'm not good at wig spotting but doesn't she have curly reddish hair?

I didn't' want to watch this because I read the book You Should Have Known. The book starts off slightly intriguing and then becomes a real snooze - it becomes a boring tale of the lead character's self-realization and empowerment and less a psychological thriller. The novel is one big interminable inner monologue and I eye-rollingly had to skim through the last 100 or so pages of the book.

If the miniseries manages to change the dullest aspects of the novel I might give it a watch.

kidman has a big bald spot, its not her hair, that curly mess.....trust. but keiths bald spot is bigger.

She seems to be going the Naomi Campbell route.

Yikes

Hugh would look much better if he would get a deep chemical peel. He looked ok in that Florence Jenkins movie but then he hit the wall HARD. Still love him though.

I did not need to see that R84. How can so much wrong be all together and in one place?

Whhhhhyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy, wwwhhhyyyyy (Nancy Kerrigan scream)

[quote]Hugh would look much better if he would get a deep chemical peel.

Please. Did Donald Sutherland ever get a "deep chemical peel"? Did John Hurt, or Robert Duvall, or Dennis Hopper, or even Liam Neeson? No, and it didn't hurt any of their careers.

R87 Hugh is too young to just throw up his hands on his appearance. The smoking did a number on him.

I liked all of it except Nicole's autotuned singing, and Hugh's glibness. He is very good but as he is the most sarcastic man in the world, the effect of him talking as if every sentence is a punchline is so charmingly false it falls into self parody.

Sorry R86 lol.

Hugh Grant looks like Fred Gwynn in the OP photo

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Nic is getting up there, r9. They should have cast me for young mum.

I might be the only one who thinks this but I think Grant looks pretty good - aging looks good on him for some reason. It takes away from that previous pasty -faced, banal, generic look he once had which never really set him apart from other "great actors." like Daniel Day Lewis or Anthony Hopkins. Now, with a few wrinkles, and his excellent acting ability - he's quite amazing. I'm not PR, not even a kooky troll, just an observation.

Weird to see a clitoral hood and meat curtains bouncing merrily in the breeze.

This is a spoiler of the novel. Doesn't sound so good at all.

I think he looks good too, r95. Hugh Grant’s face has become more interesting with age and I find that sexy. He’s also more compelling on screen.

Kidman has had too much filler in the philtrum. The space between the nose & the mouth has two vertical lines in the middle (these are called philtrum columns. The space in between is called philtrum dimple) . These disappear as one ages & loses collagen.

Another problem is the small wrinkles that women get above the lip line.People assume it’s from smoking, but women who’ve never smoked get these lines, too.

Doctors inject fillers into the philtrum to 1j get rid of the upper lip wrinkles 2) rebuild those two vertical lines that have disappeared & 3) give more definition to the upper lip.

In Kidman’s case there’s too much filler in that area & it’s noticeable. How do I know? My dr did this to me a couple of weeks ago. I went back & had her inject a dissolvent to take down the upper lip . I look much better now. I still have the two vertical lines under the nose that she “rebuilt” and my upper lip wrinkles are gone, but my lips are now normal sized.

[quote] (these are called philtrum columns. The space in between is called philtrum dimple) .

It’s actually *philtral* columns, but I see spellcheck changed that for me.h

A deep chemical peel...hahaha. Get real R85, he's looked rough for the last 8-10 years. No amount of peeling and sanding can get rid of that damage, especially if he continues to chain smoke.

Grant is so fucking hot in this show. He is an awesome example of why guys should never mess with their faces. Hope he has some very graphic sex scenes.

In the thread above this -- about Lori Loughlin going to jail -- her husband is 57. Three years younger than Grant.

But in this photo, he looks at LEAST 15 years younger. And it was taken in the SUN. Can you imagine how old Hugh looks in bright light?

The majority of plastic surgeons seem to be HACKS, anyway. There are very few 'artists' around who know not to overdo it.

R103 - yeah, her husband looks great and very natural. She looks amazing too and she's in DIRECT sunlight, the most unforgiving light imaginable. I saw a picture of me on FB outside and I gasped because I looked sooo bad.

R u Ramona Singer by any chance R105?

What's with the gratuitous lesbian kiss in the elevator? There is no way an uptight character like Grace would kiss back like that. She would probably recoil.

[quote] yeah, her husband looks great and very natural. She looks amazing too and she's in DIRECT sunlight, the most unforgiving light imaginable. I saw a picture of me on FB outside and I gasped because I looked sooo bad.

Can you afford laser resurfacing?

Because Lori & her husband can.

I didn't see Hugh Grant in any of the scenes from upcoming episodes. Does he show up again?

Of course he does, R109. His character is arrested for the young mother’s murder.

I'm really enjoying this show! Maybe I'm just in the mood for a good old fashioned mystery thriller. I know, Mary!

Ismael Cruz Cordova reveals how Nicole Kidman changed him while filming The Undoing

His piercing hazel eyes captured the attention of Nicole Kidman who cast him in The Undoing. But Ismael Cruz Cordova is more than just a pretty face:

Does Nicole show her little tits again?

Is this worth watching? I saw the first one and it seems full of cliches. And what happened to Nicole’s face? It seems like she is putting fillers in her chin and jaw.

Nicole's friends--if she had any--would refer to her behind her back as "Wiggy."

Maybe I just don’t know what to look for, but I thought Nicole looked pretty good! There is a slightly distracting thing where you can see two sets of forehead lines above each eyebrow that are unsuccessfully trying to break through the botox, but other than that?

I think Hugh Grant is doing an excellent job. Just like he did in that Streep film where she sang badly. I may be the only one here but I think Kidman picks out very interesting roles. I don't let her face distract from her acting.

Her face has gotten the full on pillow face treatment. You can tell too in the trailer for The Prom. She has no wrinkles but it makes you look deformed like the Elephant Man. She is wearing a mask of injections.

I know Nicole has close girlfriends (Naomi Watts, Michelle Pfieffer), but in The Undoing and Big Little Lies I’m struck how little chemistry she has with other actresses in “groups of friends” scenes. She always comes across as cold and distant...like she wants to be anywhere except where she is. As a result it’s hard to feel sorry for her characters.

She is cold and distant. She only touches her children if a camera is on. She lives in Nashville so I doubt she is friends with other actresses. Doesn’t she hate Reese Witherspoon?

R120, Hugh says in the show they don't have real friends. Her character is supposed to be cold and distant.

[quote] Kidman and Grant were certainly well cast as rich New Yorkers,

???

That's a bizarre statement, given Grant's accent.

[quote] I may be the only one here but I think Kidman picks out very interesting roles.

You are so right--it is so brave of her to finally play a rich and privileged wife in a bad marriage!

It was horrible. Kidman’s wog and accent were just awful. But I was excited to see janel Maloney. Glad she’s working after the west wing

Fifteen minutes in and the muffled dialogue followed by blaring music needs to hop into the nearest grease fire.

Are we supposed to believe any rich bitches from NY would give the time of day to this woman (who was killed)?

It will apparently be wildly different from the novel.

Nicole Kidman has lived in America for 30 years and she still can’t figure out how to say anything?

I did not think i would like this, but I do. I like the director. I find this show interesting, I am watching it.

omg kidman has had so much filler etc in her face she looks like a sarah jessica parker wanna be.

There was one scene in the first episiode of Kidman walking along a Manhattan street on the way to the meeting with the other mothers for the school auction, and her wig was so weird (it's not only that it looks clearly fake, but that it's a completely unreal shade of flame orange) that she looked like a space alien out for a walk among normal humans.

Nicole's kids with Keith are the age of her son in this movie. Professional women (like the one she plays in this movie) wait later to have kids as they are setting up their careers.

Did Nicole birth those babies herself?

R122, the “wealthy British expat” is a standard New York type.

[quote] Are we supposed to believe any rich bitches from NY would give the time of day to this woman (who was killed)?

Is that the naked lesbo?

Nicole is too old for these parts. She is 53.

Nicole is a really good actress, I thought she was brilliant in Photograph 51 here in London

Undoing is pretty good. I am watching this. Is this thread from Tom Cruise or something? She looks gorgeous.

Undoing is pretty good. I am watching this. Is this thread from Tom Cruise or something? She looks gorgeous.

I don’t know any woman who is 53 with young children. Nor do I know any woman who is 53 that has more hair on her head than a yak.

[quote]Nicole is too old for these parts. She is 53.

Huh? You think high society women in NYC have their kids at 16 y/o like trailer trash? No, they often wait until their late 30's, early 40's. And the character doesn't have a "young" son in this movie. He's not a toddler, he's a pre-teen. So, her age is appropriate to the character. And even if you think that's a bit of a stretch, Nic looks very good for her age, so she could easily play a character in her mid 40's-- right on target for a career woman to have a 12 y/o kid.

Sure, whatever. In your fantasies.

Research

In New York and San Francisco, their average age is 31 and 32.

I don't mind a 53-year-old Nicole Kidman having a 12-year-old child,

I mind a 53-year-old Nicole Kidman dressing and having (fake) long hair like she's 32.

What kind of hair and clothes should a 53 y/o woman have? She's not flaunting her body or dressing cheap, so what is your problem, R145?

She’s a phony. Plastic surgery and wigs.

I do have take issue with an actress being unable to emote- that's the job. A celebrity, porn star, Kardashian, model, whatever can have a plastic face.

An actress has to be able to express with her face.

Nicole's mask-like face makes it obvious and understandable why her husband would cheat. What straight man could resist that hot Latina with the great breasts, especially when he has that android at home?

[quote] She's not flaunting her body or dressing cheap, so what is your problem, [R145]?

Honey, if you think that ratty Disney Princess wig cost more than $25 when they bought it in Koreatown, I've got a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

She is supposed to be extremely rich, R148. Do you think rich NY women don’t get plastic surgery & have hair extensions?

R151, bitch, every 40 year old woman in my family gets the best facelift money can buy. She looks awful.

Nicole looks like her face was injected with baby plasma? Even her son-in-law the show has more wrinkles than she does. She LOVES to play a woman under duress who is falling apart.

Let Rachel explain it all to you

Is Celeste ... I mean Grace the murderer?

*cough* FEEBLE EXCUSES! *cough*

I am trying to go with this show but the acting and writing are pretty bad. The CIP scenes are worse than Law & Order.

Nicole lets out a lot of sighs and makes bug eyes but her wig is way over the top.

It's just BAD. Very BAD.

Did they really not know that Hugh Grant was in the attic ? Did he just hide all day and eat their leftovers when they slept? What about bathroom needs, did he pee in a empty bottle or something?

Kidmans character needs to pull a Felicity and lop off that long hair.

I enjoyed seeing the Fricke and Donald Sutherland’s apartment. The rest ... BLL lite.

So Nicole Kidman did it, right? And framed her husband

How could Nicole Kidman and Hugh Grant have a kid who looks like THAT?

Like what?

It's the Frick.

Hot breasts alone are not enough to temp a guy. Elena was more than likely on the prowl for a rich guy and threw her pussy smack in his face. He's a dumb fuck for not realizing she was a gold digging loon.

Nicole is not convincing as an Upper East Sider. Why is she dressed like Stevie Nicks?

geesh, What a piece of boring crud.....KIdman doin her usual frozen face bullshit. the bitch is box office poison, so wtf????

Kidman clearly has some form of Body Dysmorphia but now it is impeding her work. So distracting and insecure.

She seems out of place when she is talking to the other moms who are in their 30’s or 40’s. Oh Nicole, when will you ever learn.

Ok so I'm watching the second episode and shit the writing sucks. That with Nicole's bad acting when talking to the police is ridiculous. But I think her hair looks good and I'm very critical about things like that. Are we supposed to know what her father did? His apartment is palatial.

R161. They've deviated from the book so I am not sure what the ending will be here!

So Nicole did it, right? Because she flashbacked to the room the dead mom was lying in. She’s pissed at her husband for having an affair & framed him for the killing, then called the police.

Or one of the other moms did it.

Or all of the moms did it.

I’ve seen better Law & Order episodes.

Why does the child and detective have more wrinkles than Nicole?

I always suspect Lily Rabe. Any show she's on, I suspect her.

Who is the Bonnie character here? Jonathan killing Elena to keep her quiet about their affair (and child) to save this marriage is a no--that's the book ending.

Who is the Bonnie character here? I think Donald Sutherland is involved but I don't think he's the killer.

[quote]I always suspect Lily Rabe. Any show she's on, I suspect her.

You might be right. Maybe she was having an affair with Jonathan also and got jealous of Elena?

Rabe would have been a better choice for Grace.

R166, I was hoping she'd stop while walking on the street, and throw that ugly coat in a nearby dumpster.

Kidman should play mid-career women, young grandmother, with 30 year old sons. If she doesn't start playing age appropriate, she is wasting these years of her career.

Kidman would rather play a maid or slave than a grandmother.

She should play a haughty ulster landlordess who gets fucked in the barn by her rough trade tenant for gruel in 1840s Ireland. Ryan Murphy can definitely cast that one.

Kidman is 53, the kid playing her son is 15. That makes sense for her character's socioeconomic status.

15? No he's about 11.

Nicole Kidman's green crushed velvet coat and long wig gives the the distinct impression she is doing pre-Raphaelite poster art cosplay.

It’s all to distract from her face!

That hideous wig they put on her is so bad. She's supposed to be losing her shit having just lost complete track of her husband for 48 hours, gotten an acquaintance murdered and being a person of interest in an NYPD murder investigation and she looks like she spent the 5 hours prior to each shot at the most expensive hair salon in NY.

[quote]15? No he's about 11.

The actor is 15, but I can see him playing an eleven year old in the series because Nicole Kidman's daughters had a scene as students. They're little kids so they would not be at a high school.

I'm enjoying it so far but the one thing I could never buy is a rich, savvy and well connected woman like Kidmans character talking to cops without a lawyer. I mean, these one percenters immediately call their lawyer if someone stubs their toe on their property. And a man like Sutherland would probably forcibly send a lawyer down to the precinct even if Kidman declined.

I'm freaked out by Nicole's plastic surgery. At certain angles, she looks great, not a sign of tight pulling or implants but at other angles she looks like Rocky Dennis from Mask.

The book has Nicole’s character also as an author who has just published a book on how men give away all their flaws at the beginning (cheater, lazy, liar, etc.) but women ignore the signs and marry them anyway. Then ironically she discovers her own husband was a cheater, thus confirming her own hypothesis. Why they jettisoned this part I have no idea.

How did the Anglo Scottish Irish pairing of Hugh Grant & Nicole Kidman produce a small dark Jewish son?

Why did she need so much surgery? And it started years ago?

R190, yeah that's a good point. And I know plenty of Jewish gingers. Short end of every stick, that.

The kid isn't very good at accents or acting in general. I hear his English accent peeking through occasionally. Is it really so hard to simply hire an American to play an American? I laughed when Nicole asked him if he knew his father's phone passcode and after taking the phone and staring at it for 20 seconds he said, "NO!" He's a little bit slow, eh?

Kidman looks terrible now but in a few years, she'll be terrifying. She's really ruined her beauty.

I haven't fully committed to watching this week's episode yet, so I can't speak on how Jupe was in this episode but I've seen his other work - "Honey Boy", "Suburbicon", "Wonder" and he is a very good actor.

Nicole's face is so tight and shiny that she looks like a burn victim from some angles.

r190 she went crazy with cosmetic procedures when Tom Cruise left her. Comparing images from the start of that year to the end and her eyebrows and forehead when berserk.

I think she looks good compared to what she had done in the past. at least in this, she can move her forehead and you can see lines on her forehead. I saw her in something a few years ago and her face was frozen.

r182 the actual age of the kid playing her son is 15.

[quote]How did the Anglo Scottish Irish pairing of Hugh Grant & Nicole Kidman produce a small dark Jewish son?

That's Hollywood for you. It's rather comical.

I agree that sometimes Nicole looks good and other times it’s clearly off. I feel she can play this kind of character in her sleep and has been doing the same character since The Others (chilly / pleasant woman becomes unraveled).

[quote]I feel she can play this kind of character in her sleep and has been doing the same character since The Others (chilly / pleasant woman becomes unraveled).

Try Bangkok Hilton!

[quote] The book has Nicole’s character also as an author who has just published a book on how men give away all their flaws at the beginning (cheater, lazy, liar, etc.) but women ignore the signs and marry them anyway. Then ironically she discovers her own husband was a cheater, thus confirming her own hypothesis. Why they jettisoned this part I have no idea.

I'm sure because it was too subtle!

I thought that Hugh in the scene where he confesses to the affair was more over-the-top acting that I need to see in a full year.

[quote]How did the Anglo Scottish Irish pairing of Hugh Grant & Nicole Kidman produce a small dark Jewish son?

The magic of Hollywood nepotism. I had the same first thought when I saw the fugly kid they cast as Lily Rabe's daughter. Looks nothing like her.

Richard Gere and Diane Laine's offspring looked like this.

the kid coould be her grandson, do she realize dat? and that wig is as scarey as her hubby.

GROW UP NIK, UR PUSHIN 60

[quote][R182] the actual age of the kid playing her son is 15.

Hee looks about 11.

Is Nicole the queen of TV?

She's the Queen of Skanky Wigs, at least.

I think she is still considered a big and glamorous star. She is definitely doing better than Julianne Moore, Julia Roberts, and Sandra Bullock.

She's pretty much the equivalent of Joan Crawford or Loretta Young in the post-war period. This is exactly the sort of noirish melodrama they'd be involved in--where they discover their husband is not who they thought and their perfect lifestyle is a sham.

The book was awful. Like if Gone Girl gets an "A" for this very specific type of genre then "You should have Known" is a D-. The book comes off like an adapted Lifetime screenplay. The killer is the very obvious male choice (at least in the book).

Does Lily Rabe’s character become a larger part of the story? Does she only commiserate? That’s boring.

If the movie/series follows the book then the Lily Rabe character has stuff to reveal about the husband (after reading that book years ago I absolutely have no desire to watch this...yet.)

I was about to give up on the show, but the last 10 minutes of the 2nd episode were riveting.

that shitass bigass wig of hers hides her most recent facelift scars, on sides of her face by ears, , yep, a dead give away, no one else has a wig that bad/big unless they gots scars

Hugh looks like hell!

Her latest chin implant is embarassing,

The show should be called The Wig....one cant take ones eyes off it, so large, curly and bizarre....very 1978

I wonder how many times Nashville PD has called because of a domestic disturbance at the Urban-Kidman estate...

"Roger that. We're here here now. He apparently hit her for wearing one of his wigs, and she choked him out for using her foundation sponge. Looks like they've destroyed each other's vanity mirrors as well."

Her the Undoing wig could knock a guy plum out cold.. How could she ok such a ridic mess to wear on that show?

I think her big hair and green coat is the outfit of a villain. Any other woman with a missing potential-murderer husband would have her hair in ponytail, pink-hued "no makeup" makeup, would be wearing cosy, neutral-toned cashmere knits and a simply, loose black coat.

I loved Hugh Grant leaping out onto the balcony hissing "don't scream". He needs to play a sleazy, violent villain.

Grant was really good as a sleazy journalist in The Gentlemen.

No woman of her... station has wild red loose hair like that. Unless they are a “celebrity” sort of personality and that’s their standout trademark. Hair like that would be tamed and straightened and blonded - the exact same way that Kidman has done in real life.

When she just jumps in the police car from the lobby without a purse... and then leaves the police station to walk the streets of Harlem? How does she get home? Waits for an Uber in a deli?

The beach house they fled to: which beach has gigantic boulders like that in the water? None of the Atlantic beaches I’ve seen have them. Does anyone know?

And the way the Sylvia character keeps saying “It’s always the fucking husband!” makes me think it’s a clue. Maybe she did it and framed Jonathan. The baby is Sylvia’s husband’s.

There’s a story that Grace tells the kid, about Jonathan being blamed for killing his dog, that’s an obvious lie. What was that about? That’s a lousy explanation for why adult Jonathan doesn’t want his son to have a dog. It’s Grace who doesn’t want a dog.

Horrible script for an ok book,.. odd choice for them to make this failure of a movie, of.

Kidman was once the face of Chanel, how the mighty have fallen.

This was given to the plastic surgeon, the wigmaker, and the makeup artist.

I keep hoping for more suspense and thrills.....maybe the return of Hugh will bring some.

The camera is on Kidman too much. gags, why?? Did she produce and direct the damn thing?

After seeing Aunt Sassy doing model lips at the photo shoot for Room and Bored, I cannot take Kidman seriously. She does the same thing in every role.

She always looks like a Valerie Cherish wannabee.

Honey, she not only produced it, she warbles the damn theme song

Is that really Nicole singing that stupid theme song?

She and David E Kelly should've fought like hell to bring on the music director for Big Little Lies.

lol....NO SHIT

LOOOVE Aunt Sassy.....best stuff on u tube ever. yay south park

Put in your ear plugs and lock up your dogs.

She always wanted to be a singer, she is on some u tube stuff singng along with keith on his crappy songs. , just bouncing along like she had good sense.

A nightingale she not.

R236 Nicole had a UK Christmas No.1 single with Robbie Williams.

I was tempted to watch but the first two reviews basically said it was boring and I didn't like how they made Nicole look. Has anything stuck it through and kept watching?

It's not terrible or woeful, but a glossy crime procedural among the obscenely rich and pretentious. Think of one of those glossy 1980s/1990s Woman In Peril movies with Ashley Judd, Jodie Foster or Glenn Close.

I think the blond lawyer was fucking Hugh’s character and was replaced by Elena, so she killed her. Or the blond lawyer was fucking him and in love, so she killed Elena for him when Elena became a needy pest.

R238: The third episode is this coming Sunday. I’m interested enough to watch, but not DYING of anticipation.

Hugh's character and Grace's dad are having an affair. Now that they've worked together to convince her to flee to the beach house, they're going to gaslighting her.

Lily Rabe is very good at playing a rich entitled white cunt.

If you're familiar with the wealthy Manhattan world this show portrays, her character is quite true to life.

I take it Lily Rabe plays the blonde lawyer bitch? She’s sooooooo good. I mean, if anyone’s performance stands on its own legs (rather than star power), it’s hers.

Yes, that's Lily Rabe. Her mother was the late Jill Clayburgh.

Oh wow!!!! Loved Jill Clayburgh.

You can really see her chin implant in The Prom trailer.

I wonder what she looks like with no wig and no makeup.

Why did she get a chin implant? I can understand the botox and filler, but she didn't need a chin implant. I don't get it???

She started getting unnecessary work done starting in her early 30s. She was a gorgeous woman who didn't need anything done, and she was also too young.

Since they mentioned the dog, I’m wondering how far from the book they’re going to stray.

It seems like such a clusterfuck already that I won’t be surprised if ends up as nothing more than a setup for the “our new lives!” scene when she finally gets the kid a dog, but why bother using something so important to the book unless it’s going to have the same meaning?

Yes, he was a complete psycho; yes, he did this; yes, he did that; yes, everything about him is a lie, even his Canal St. Birkin; but it was Lily Rabe in the art studio with a hammer!

Even though I’m hating it I have to keep watching just to see how far they’ll go.

Glad you are enjoying it!

R250, did you really just spoil this? (I figured it was Sylvia or her husband). And I was right that the dog has some significance?

r252 the series is different from the book, from what I've heard. They've changed things significantly.

[quote]did you really just spoil this?

Nope. I can't spoil what I haven't seen. I was just referring to speculation earlier in the thread that it was Sylvia.

I hope the dog does play a role because I can't wait to see how she tries to approximate this look with an immobile face.

Am I the only one that’s getting really sick of Nicole Kidman? She’s getting as much plastic surgery as her ex Tom. She’s creeping me out like him.

Did this scene give anyone else a flashback to her weird Oscars clapping? When she was putting the cream on, her fingers were all splayed out, bending backwards, and just generally moving in a very uncanny-valley manner.

[quote]Why did she get a chin implant? I can understand the botox and filler, but she didn't need a chin implant. I don't get it???

Remember how exacting Tom Cruise was? He had Nazanin Boniadi's inciser teeth ground away because he thought they looked too sharp. Katie Holmes also had nurmorous tweaks when she was with Cruise.

*numerous

No part of Tom Cruise's face has been left untouched, he's had everything done.

Tom and Nicole are very similar. Career and staying on top are #1.

hubby really did it. no biggie, boring book as well as movie....

Nicole Kidman is starting to look like Joan Rivers.

Im bewildered by the chin implant and the bad wig...she is like a smorgasborg of bad taste..

Kind of a nothing book, they musta paid KIdman alot to be in it, no big ending, no one could have done it cept hubby, Kidman's acting style kills any fun of drama. The book could have been cut in half, too long...

She looks like a mannequin. I did not see her forehead or upper lip move at all. Poor thing.

R264 just trying to help you here:

“Must have” not “musta”

“Kidman” not “Kldman”

“A lot” not “alot”

“Except” not “cept”

If you’re going to criticize anything, but especially a novel (not “book”), its best to get the spelling and grammar right, otherwise you look like an idiot.

FUK OFF GRANNY TURD FACE, ON DL WE DO AS WE WISH....GO CORRECT SOME GRFFITI ON DA STREET AND LEAVE US FUKKERS ALONE.

Oh nicole my darling, smother me in thy wig curls and fap me with thy chin.... Thy plastique urbane charms shall be my undoing.

Both the father and Sylvia tried to convince Grace to leave town and go to the beach house. One or both knew the husband was there. Hmmm.

r266 doesn't know colloquial English when she sees it.

R113 - yes, Nicole goes fully nude in the shower in episode one.

R116 - yeah, I thought she looked good in this show. With the hair, she's definitely channeling early Nicole circa 1992.

Nicole knows showing them titties get you them Emmys.

I do not understand her appeal. She is a cipher, a blank slate who says lines.

Lily Rabe always delivers. Terrific actress.

Personally I would never trust a therapist who looks as artificial and rigid as her.

what about Lily, what kind of work has she had on her face? a face lift?

i thought it was weird that his desk is in front of his closet.

She must have a thing about her wigs, watching Lone Mountain, she plays a mountain lady, but her big flowing billowing blonde wavy wig could be on a nieman marcus mannequin in the 70s....she mus have a thing about her...wigs. She prob has a huge collection of them, perhaps she is hair challenged and takes 'special precautions'..

ooops, called Cold Mountain, damn good movie.

Rene Zellwegger won tons of awards for tht movie, best supporting actress, from Oscar to several film festival awards. Outstanding job she did as the hillbilly woman. A truly great movie, ton of terrific actors in it. Kidman was not nominated for it, oddly, she the star along with Jude Law.

the police guy is hot. wish he had a fuk scene with somebody..

Isn't this the guy who played Versace in American Crime Story? He is very hot.

I'm wondering if the show is deliberately trying to go off on a different tangent with red herrings and then the killer will end up being who the book said it was.

Depends how many episodes they spin this out to, r283.

so thinly scripted, shoulda been a 2 parter....

omg NIcole is on QVC selling that wig !!!

I kind of wish Lily Rabe was in the Nicole role.

Hopefully HBO gives Lily her own prestige series. She's amazing to watch.

no kidding, now Lily can act !! and not as fake as Miss Wiggy...

This should've been a movie instead of a limited series.

HBO recently made the same mistake with The Outsider, stretching it out into a totally unnecessary 10-part limited series, when a two-hour movie would've covered the whole story just fine.

^That's true of so many series lately. Slow as molasses.

One does wonder who such drivel gets on tv these days....hbo seems better than showtime by far.

Sharp Objects was way too long as well. Slow and tortuous. It should have been a brisk 3-part-special.

The reason this was stretched out to a "prestige" television series and not a good 2 hour movie is because stars like Nicole and Hugh don't want to be known for made-for-tv movies, even if it's a "prestige" network like HBO. That's what my agent friends told me. They'd rather shoot an indie feature and get paid $700,000 that flops and is artistic than do made for TV 90 minute movie. Allegedly.

I thought Nicole looked beautiful and Lily Rabe is fuckikg amazing. What an actor. The real deal. Give her everything. Best in class. Lily Rabe forever. Nicole was great as well.

Hugh, call me. Loved a grizzled Brit in his 50s.

he in his sixtys bb...

Nicole’s Oscar the grouch jacket is horrendous and distracting.

OH but honey it cost ten grande so it must be chic and shit huh.....

SHE IS ALL THAT IS FAKE AND FUKEY

Who is her fan base??? She keeps making flops..

R284 - I just checked and there will be 6 episodes, according to Wikipedia.

I'll keep watching because I am curious to see how it pans out.

hubby did it. standard thang....

Does she sleep in that thing on her head???

So now everyone is a suspect? I didn’t understand the interaction at all about Nicole and the murdered woman’s husband. And is Nicole supposed to be the Nancy Grace of psychologists? They do not act that way.

What was Elena's point in writhing around naked in front of Grace?

Lots of scenes of Grace walking away tonight.

Poor rendering of a so so book, dont know why Kidman's team wanted to produce/star in this thing...has the suspense of a ...fish. No twists or turns to speak of,,,,,the husband did it .

Is Nicole now a suspect? Does she have multiple personalities?

That wig should be listed in the cast as a member of the troupe...

ITS ALIVE

Why do people post spoilers here? They must lead sad, lonely lives, nobody likes them and they live in anger.

Nicole played the mother of 6 year old twins not too long ago. Not only that, but her on-screen husband was pressuring her for a baby. She sees no problem with playing roles that call for 30 year olds.

The show has been on for 3 weeks. No one is spoiling what hasn’t already aired.

I am sure Nicole leaped at this - a series on HBO. But the show is awkward. Not suspenseful and incoherent.

This episode was really boring for the most part. I can't believe Kidman wore that green Wizard of Oz coat again in the beginning. I dIon't buy the whole prison fight scene. A rich and connected white guy like him would be watched like a hawk and placed in solitary for his own protection.

Kidman is not a naive waif, she's a jaded manhattanite. There's no way she would agree to talk privately to Elena's husband. Another thing that doesn't ring true was how confrontational the cops were towards her father. The upper middle class with lawyers at their disposal don't get that sort of treatment from authorities. That sort of thing is saved for the poor and lower middle class.

I think they changed the ending, and some of the plot line, from the book. It's film noir. The director is good.

Bizarre she consented to be in this boring dreck....not her most shining moment...nor the director or screenplay writer.

justa paycheck...

non spoiler, they prob changed the ending....its so much lesss appealing than the book

I like the actress who plays the attorney-she’s British, too, but her accent is fine...so far.

At one point in last week’s episode Kidman pronounced the word patronizing as the UK “patronizing,” not the US “paytronizing.”

Her Aussie accent often slips in. Did anyone understand the dialogue between Nicole and the widower? That exchange made no sense unless he is asking for more money through his eyes.

The dad did it. Donald Sutherland.

[quote]damn, Hugh is starting to look terrible

STARTING to look terrible??

[quote]Why do people post spoilers here? They must lead sad, lonely lives, nobody likes them and they live in anger.

Nobody has posted anything that hasn't already aired.

And yes, Hugh looks like hammered shit. Is he a drinker/smoker? He sure looks like it.

I like this.

I like this.

Maybe the show can abruptly switch to a Stella Got her Groove Back type of genre. Kidman is single and ready to mingle and the first thing she does is buy a chicer set of clothes and then sees a professional about that hair.

or follow the kid around, his life prob more interesting than the parents.....never seen a murder mystery be so zzzzzzzz

This is good. I like it. Great distraction. Something different.

I think I figured it out.

If you want to know who I think did it google who Barbara Sabich is.

It is amazing watching Grant act up a storm in the prison scene and seeing that Kidman is too surgeried up to do any subtle acting anymore.

Plus the facelifts, etc make her look so old compared to Grant--who is not exactly looking fresh himself.

I am really liking Hugh Grant in this. Her character should be the center, but because she cannot act anymore (for physical reasons) it all falls on him.

The child generates more emotional heat with Grant in his prison scene than Kidman could.

There are so many close ups of her face but the problem is it does not move, so we have no idea what she is thinking or feeling. No emotions there.

And why is she walking everywhere?

R326, the walking is a New York thing. A lot of people there walk rather than call a car. (Also, during the day it can often be faster to walk.)

And a more resourceful actress would make the shots of walking speak more.

Sutherland's character is only a red herring. You can tell because he looks so grim and suspicious, it just can't be him. Nicole's character couldn't have done it because she was devoting hours to that wig of hers. No time for murdering. It's so obvious that THE SON DID IT! It's always the least likely character. There bitches, you read it here first.

I consider myself a Kidman fan but I really have no idea why she's suddenly decided not to be able to do an American accent. She's done them convincingly for years but seems to have just 'stopped'.

We all know she can act. We all know she can do an accent. Is she trying to make some kind of point? I don't understand it.

I vote for Lily Rabe. Her glances in the courtroom to Hugh Grant said “I love you and I killed her for you so we can be together again”

Whoever chose that Oscar the Grouch jacket should never work in costuming again.

Agreed that Lilly rabe is involved somehow. Odd glances to the prosecutor as well.

STOP with the spoilers! Why does he have a public defender? Any explanation?

You don’t want spoilers but you want to know? Read in at your own risk;

He is accused of murder of his mistress/baby momma with a hammer to to the face. Have a nice day

If you got through Ep 2 you know why he needs a public defender. Not exactly a spoiler at this point in the story.

r326 I thought exactly the same thing. Kidman's face is so frozen she can't show any emotions. Not good at all for an actor, facial expressions are an important part of their craft and can put so many things across to an audience. Think of what somebody like Bette Davis could do with just a subtle raise of an eyebrow or a certain glance with her eyes. One simple gesture could say so much to an audience.

I'm just guessing it's Sutherland's character, based on the "crazy eyes" thing he's doing.

It could be the kid, He seems nutty as hell. Also pretty short is their casting a kid of Kidman's and Grant's.

I mean, "if"

That kid is totally unbelievable as the biological child of Kidman and Grant.

I guffawed at the final scene of last night’s episode. Just totally ludicrous. And as others have pointed out, it strains credulity that someone of her socio-economic status would be hanging out with the cops answering questions for hours without a lawyer.

That's a good theory, R328, but why do the opening credits have a young girl with a curly rep mop of hair walking around while Nicole Kidman sings "Dream a Little Dream"? I'm sure there is more to that.

True r339. Rich people lawyer up right away, they don't speak to cops directly unless they are forced to, and even then they always have a lawyer present.

R340, I forgot about that--Daddy too close? Why would a grown woman leave her own home and go hide at Daddy's? That's weird, even if the press is hounding you, most adults want their autonomy. Maybe child abuse explains why a 50 year old woman would wear that hair/wig, too.

Would you want her as your therapist?

53 year old woman.

[quote]Would you want her as your therapist?

Not at her prices.

It’s also weird that a rich White woman would dare to go above 96th street, let alone walk thru Spanish Harlem in the middle of the night wearing $10,000 worth of clothes.

I’m not feeling this show. Are they setting Nicole’s character to be a looney toon? Are her “visions” memories?

Seriously r345. No woman of that class would walk around that neighborhood at night. Much less in clothes that advertised she was wealthy.

Some of the script is ludicrously written. Nicole: "Are you saying I'M a suspect?" Uh, yeah, honey, you're in a whodunnit so everyone is.

Someone brought up Kidman's age and being a mother of a young. She's 53. The actor playing her son is 15. That would make her 38 when he was born. Lots of NYC professional women (and beyond) have kids in their late 30s, even well into their 40s. It's not that surprising.

People are also bringing up her plastic surgery, limited expression, etc. The truth is that she got new doctors (I'm theorising here) years ago and she actually has looked "better" in her late 40s and early 50s than she did in her late 30s/early 40s.

What is surprising is that her character only seems to own two coats. But, I'm gathering that it's her character walking around when she was a young girl in the opening credits and that there will be a revealing irony to the fact that she is a therapist. We'll probably get more into her own psychology in the second half of the series.

R348 Yeah. I've been having a ton of fun snarking on all the aspects of this show that make no sense (why the fuck does she keep talking to cops without an attorney?) but her being 53 and the mother of a teen or tween is actually spot on for a rich and educated NYC professional.

She may only be 53 but the surgery makes her look at least 10 years older than that.

Women who are only 53 usually do not look like they have had as much work done as Nicole has.

The New Yorker calls it "empty life-style porn":

She looks 53, not younger or older, just 53 with some work done.

I think the plastic surgery, chin implant and collagen in the lips, has fucked up her mouth so much that she has had to relearn how to do an American accent, but it's not working.

It also appears as though she's forgotten how to close her mouth normally, so her lips don't sit right when her mouth is shut and she ends up with a weird sneer.

I think Lily Rabe did it. The reason for the opening credits is probably something to do with Nicole's dead mother.

I don't think Donald Sutherland did it, that would be too obvious. Who knows, though.

Is someone going to fuck Edgar Ramirez in this thing? I'll tune back in if he's getting fucked or fucks someone.

Noah Jupe was terrific in this episode. But it’s not great TV.

[quote]That kid is totally unbelievable as the biological child of Kidman and Grant.

Let’s get really crazy and have Elena’s husband revealed to be the father.

I don't want to see Ramirez and Kidman get it on. The best-looking character is dead and she wasn't that great. I wish Kidman had left her face alone and I think she'd look great right now.

I think she looks good but her face does not move much. Hence all the wigs, sighs and eyeball acting. She has very restricted movement in her face.

She can walk around like that because anyone in a shitty neighborhood has street smarts enough to know that a tall skinny white woman in an upholstery coat and crazy tangled hair and a mask face is a bruja. Nobody’s messing with THAT kind of crazy.

And she never carries a handbag.

So bitchy:

As Grace, Kidman seems, at times, unsure of her own character’s intentions, shifting from blithe merriment to imperious boss-lady outbursts to turned-up-to-eleven distress.

I laid $ down that hugh did it...but who knows, the one 4 sure thing is that keith urban surely does NOT crawl into bed with THAT every night ! he may wear wigs and hve work done too, but can do way better....

Do Nicole and Keith have his and hers wig closets in their house?

Kidman has never done an amazing American accent. She has varying degrees of "Nicole Kidman American" accent. I've just grown accustomed to it.

Kidman is really gorgeous in real life when the camera doesn't amplify her flaws in close-up. At 6 feet tall, you don't look so much at her face when you're around her because the whole thing is impressive. To be fair, she was never much of an expressive actress and her face never moved too much, even in the days of Dead Calm. I think the repair work she's had can be so distracting you end up feeling her face is paralyzed in the same position all the time but it isn't. She also seems to be hyperconscious of how she looks, never letting herself look too out of shape or undone. When she falls apart, she does the way old stars used to - glamorously. That takes me out of the story, unfortunately.

Your being nice, Kidman has the charisma of a hooker on junk.

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R367. Good comments. But, she really broke down and ugly cried in Rabbit Hole. So, she definitely has it in her.

Kidman's character did it.

She has dissociative identity disorder.

Or she has a twin.

We'll see her descend into madness blah blah blah.

keith had a complete face and brow lift. theyr surgery junkies?

Theyr the jokes of the industry. They put the F in Fake.

That's an interesting theory R371.

Grace has flashbacks of the murders, how could she do that if she was not there? She is definitely an unreliable narrator. It seems they want the viewer to think she did it, which makes us think it is too obvious or is it a bluff, where we think it's not her because it is too obvious? I thought the title infers that this is the undoing of the life Grace thought she had but I read somewhere that 'undoing' is a psychological term which is "a defence mechanism in which a person tries to cancel out or remove an unhealthy, destructive or otherwise threatening thought or action by engaging in contrary behavior. For example, after thinking about being violent with someone, one would then be overly nice or accommodating to them." Grace was very welcoming to Elena, even slightly sexual towards her, was this to compensate for her murderous thoughts? Do you think maybe she ended up sleeping with Elena that night, also?

I'm also leaning towards Sylvia, the glances between her and Johnathan were suspicious. Also the fact Johnathan asked her, Grace's friend, for legal advice and she never mentioned it, even though she said it was due to client confidentiality, I think it's an odd choice to make. Or maybe it's a red herring.

No way it was Grace's father. He looks so old and frail. It's not easy to bludgeon someone to death. Too physical. I suspect Elena's husband.

And why has no one from Elena's family come to claim the baby? She's not his? He may harm her because she's a reminder of Elena's affair?

How does a poor woman like Elena have an art studio? And she was a sculptor, of all things? Only very rich people can afford such an indulgent career. Sculptors are hobbyists for the most part.

Lily Rabe and Hugh Grant were in on it together

[quote] Kidman is really gorgeous in real life when the camera doesn't amplify her flaws in close-up. At 6 feet tall, you don't look so much at her face when you're around her because the whole thing is impressive.

Only with heels. Cruise said she was 6 feet to make him seem less short. She’s like 5’9”. I have been next to her in bare feet at the Greenwich baths with her nieces.

tell us more... what her face like???

Maybe I’m spoiled by “Law & Order” and their cast of actual New York actors. There’s hardly an authentic American accent in this thing. The public defender, the prosecuting attorney both have the oddest accents. She sounds like she’s stifling an Irish brogue. I can’t figure his out, but it’s bad. He doesn’t sound like a hardboiled NYC Jewish public defender. Says things like “that I seen on TV” and then enunciates “of” in “kind of”.

Sorry, accents matter.

I used to see her on the street a lot in the 90s. On screen then, she was gorgeous, but in life she was so frail looking that it distracted from her looks.

A straight friend said, she looked like a Giacometti come to life, fascinating to look at but scary to fuck.

In all seriousness, do American actors get annoyed by this kind of casting?

Don't pull that Hawaiian shit, Nicole. The main cast consists of an Australian, a Canadian, a Dane, a Venezuelan, an Italian and at least 4 Brits.

For for the Americans, the only parts of significance are played by a Puerto Rican, Lily Rabe and that donkey looking woman from The West Wing.

i saw julianne moore in the village, pretty but meh....

I find her very odd looking, especially the way she hold her mouth and then the flaps around her ears when her hair blows...weird.

I never really thought that Hugh was attractive at all. And it’s been said that he has horrendous breath.

Nowadays he resembles a shar pei.

Jeez, I wish I looked like Hugh Grant. I was actually surprised at how good he looks in this, after looking so terrible in that recent UK series. As to the Public Defender, he was played by Douglas Hodge, a well known Brit actor who played the lead in La Cage on Bway a couple of years ago. Not a fan and boy, his accent was horrendous. It gets me so mad that they didn't use American's for so many of the roles. I don't get it.

What recent uk series?

People in NY, rich or poor, wear gloves and coats with hoods in the cold weather. Rich people can afford the nicest, warmest coats. And they're always black. No way would she be walking around in that flimsy blanket-looking waist coat. She'd have a black coat with a large fur-lined hood to block out that wind.

UNREALISTIC!

One detail that always bugs me in TV shows and movies is when they show characters in NYC winter wearing coats but no scarves.

I was hoping the widower would leave the baby in Nicole’s house.

And there was an uncomfortable moment when Nicole’s actual son got into bed with her and it looked like they were about to kiss.

R389 One detail that always bugs me in TV shows and movies is when they show characters in NYC winter wearing coats but no scarves.

Scarves block the acting. They're an inconvenient costume.

[quote] He doesn’t sound like a hardboiled NYC Jewish public defender.

Noticed that guy immediately.

Just hire a NY actor, for God’s sake.

The reason actors from other countries are hired is that these are all international co-productions and they HAVE to hire actors and some crews from those countries in order to get the money.

I thought I was the only one that noticed the creepy incest vibe from Grace when she was in bed with the son. She looked at him with lust.

I can't believe that a wife, if she ever loved the Hugh Grant character, would not want to at least discuss taking the baby if the widower wants her to. It's her son's half-sister. Bitch.

Why would she want to raise the product of his affair? The baby isn’t her problem.

In all, more holes in this script than a pair of tyra bank's skanky underwear....

You bitches are merciless, lol. The comments on this thread and the other “The Undoing “ thread regarding Kidman have ROLLING. :sigh: I needed that.

Weird that Hbo puts such a piece of shit on its service.....weak.

Why is their son so ethnic-looking? Was he adopted?

R381 - A close friend went to a dinner party in the mid-aughts and Nicole Kidman was another one of the guests. This friend (straight, male) made a very similar comment - that she was attractive and pretty but came across as totally nonsexual. Apparently she also had a bit of an actress-y/attention whore-ish vibe.

twas rumored in years gone by she was full on or part time lesbian.... that could explain her marriage to tommy.

Why would she want to raise the product of his affair? The baby isn’t her problem.

R396 Why, Kay Francis did. And she even delivered the baby. And then she had the good sense to not tell her husband it was his baby. And the mistress, why she had the good taste to kill herself so the baby would be raised with dignity. Those were the good old times...

It needs to put the wig in the basket...

Fuck you. I don't want it.

R405 🤣!

.........it puts the lotion on the wig....

[quote]If you want to know who I think did it google who Barbara Sabich is.

If they ripped that off... lame.

^Idiot writers fucked up the ending of that movie HUGE. Barbara Sabich plots and executes the perfect crime and then leaves the bloody, blond hair covered murder weapon in the family tool box. FFS she doesn't even bother to wash it off. Yeah, that's believable.

vegas odds put hugh grant as yes the killer.

Book was ok, but man this movie has the suspense of a hardy boy book.

The twist comes at the end of the fifth episode, apparently. The way things are going it's probably just a new coat in a color she hasn't worn before.

Nicole looks like she's hopelessly wandering around a Renaissance fair looking for her spinning wheel or a blacksmith.

I swear if she busts out a mustard yellow coat I will SCREAM.

Surely Edgar Ramirez will get a hot sex scene in the next episode with someone? Why else would he sign on for this nonsense?

So many good actresses around, why Kidman??? course she is a producer and she has clout, it all began when she married Tommie. pitiful... mystery tho as her work by and large are flops

I loved at the end of the last episode when they showed the clip of her wandering the streets near the murder site in her high heels with her flowing curly tendrils and her couture party gown streaming behind her on closed-circuit TV. I expected Edgar Ramirez to say, "Didn't you look FABULOUS?"

[quote] For for the Americans, the only parts of significance are played by a Puerto Rican...

"Ugh! Not a Puerto Rican!"

R416, you're hilarious 🤣

I hate myself for loving this show, but I do. The performances are good enough to keep me engaged, but there are enough laughable choices on the production side that I enjoy hate watching as well.

Side note: Edgar Ramirez was cast too well in American Crime Story: Gianni Versace. I keep seeing Versace with hair.

Poor Nicole thinks she still a big shot model for Chanel.....wandering thru the streets in ugly expensive outfits is what they pay her for...its about the costumes, not the story....she disgusts true actors.

^Well that certainly worked for me well past my sell by date.

You bitches are a tough room for Nicole Kidman, and I am here for it!

no shit, fun thread: good stuff...keep the grins cumin....kidman and urban, the butt of 2020 and beyond..

Even rich white ladies on the UES will walk around in jeans and a regular coat when they're wandering the streets late at night. They don't get all dolled up all the time.

That was the mistake with that green velvet coat, which I think is quite beautiful. It should have been reserved for the benefit cocktail party, not used as her everyday coat. Didn't she even wear it to the prison??

I can't believe they're going to stretch this out for three more episodes.

The wig and the coat are the real stars of this show.

They should get a spin-off series.

An interview with the costume designer:

kidman insists on keepin all her costumes from her movies......greedy

I want to see Kidman go full Phil Spector and wear a different insane looking wig in each episode.

r380 - Commonwealth actors with horrible "American" accents is at an all-time high. Directors and casting directors are too polite to these actors to work on it. Ewan McGregor in "Doctor Sleep" had the worst accent, too.

seen Urban's most recent face/brow lift? his forehead real big now, he looks tardo...

[quote]kidman insists on keepin all her costumes from her movies......greedy

They ALL do that. Believe me.

I knew the black lady attorney was British as soon as she opened her mouth. She sounds like she's trying to hide her accent.

None of the foreigners sound like actual New Yorkers, they're trying WAY too hard.

Do het men really find her pushed-in Persian cat features attractive?

Kidman looks as if she is being “pulled” from the inside.

Here’s my beef with Nicole’s costumes: they are the same weird outfits she wore in Big Little Lies. It’s like, she likes those bizarre clothes and the costumer has to put her in them, regardless of whether her character would really wear them.

R387, the poster must have been referring to Grant’s role in that miniseries as a UK politician in the 1960s who ordered a hit on his bf. It was called A Very British Scandal.

Why, in the second episode, did they have Grace go “Oh, Henry! You scared me!” TWICE?

Speaking of A very English scandal, Grant was quite good in the role. But I couldn't for the life of me understand why he didn't just give Ben Whishaws character the work ID or whatever it was that he kept requesting. Perhaps I missed something.

I could never see a therapist with that hair. All I would be able to think about was how often she washed it. Looks ratty

Who should get the actor's costumes after the shoot if not the actor? There's no costume stock to add them to. And if nothing else, it's a nice gesture by the producers that doesn't cost them anything.

Hugh evidently does not have good “elder genes.”

Actors taking their wardrobe home after a shoot is as old as Hollywood itself. Marlene Dietrich's daughter wrote in her book that Marlene would take EVERYTHING that wasn't nailed down.

The costume designer should be shot alongside hair and makeup. Just ghastly.

And Nicole has been in America for almost 40 years now, she really can’t put on an American accent? Huh? Dreadful show so far. Not holding my breath for it to get better.

Edgar Ramirez is sexy but I need subtitles when he talks. He does that weird shit where he whispers a lot and with his heavy accent it’s inaudible.

What's strange about her wardrobe and styling is that through all of this, her husband has been accused of murder and has an infant out of wedlock. Grace looks the same as always. You'd think she'd be at least a little disheveled.

So the wardrobe designer as good as admitted she has no clue how an Upper East Side scion with mildly bohemian tastes would dress and has outfitted her like a Scandinavian white witch.

r445, what the costume designer actually said was that she was not a native New Yorker and so viewed her research (observing real New Yorkers) from a foreign perspective. Which I think is an interesting and fresh point of view.

Or they could have hired a, you know, New Yorker.

With all the NY-based costume designers, they couldn't find just one who knew what an UES rich lady would really look like?

R440, yes there is indeed costume stock. The studios and some production companies have them. Or they store the costumes till after post-production (in case there are reshoots) and sell them to a stock house.

If any inventoried items are missing, the production may get charged for them but the studio or whoever paid for the project.

And if there are any reshoots, no one will be happy.

r449, that may be true for many big studio films but cable TV including HBO doesn't have or even want the storage space. I work in set decoration on films and TV and we're always told to sell or give away any props. Same with costumes. it isn't worth the trouble. There are no reshoots on HBO, I've done several films for them.

I thought Big Little Lies Season 2 had reshoots.

[quote] Grace has flashbacks of the murders, how could she do that if she was not there?

It's not that uncommon.

Based on the number of replies I figured this show was really good since it's only three episodes in. But of course 3/4 are about Nicole's wigs and bad plastic surgery.

[quote] what the costume designer actually said was that she was not a native New Yorker and so viewed her research (observing real New Yorkers) from a foreign perspective. Which I think is an interesting and fresh point of view.

Which she clearly didn’t do, because her costuming is a laughingstock

I like Grant. He looks a bit smoother in this interview, I'm not sure if there was a filter was used or he had a small tweak but either way, not bad for 60. I would!

There's a clip from the next episode and also Colbert asks if he's guilty, for those who don't like spoilers.

since the plot is so sketchy and thin, they made her wig and clothes tacky so we watch to laff at her in them...

the wig alone , ratty as it is, is worth the price of admission, she looks yes like the white witch of lost rock n roll grooupies...

I sort of dislike Nicole in theory but I’ll be damned if I don’t enjoy her performances, every single time.

Aging is fucking cruel.

When very wealthy women are the type to dress that way, they live downtown and send their kids to expensive progressive schools. The women who live on E 63rd and send their kids to that kind of school (with uniforms) are more traditional, and don’t have wild flowing red hair.

[quote] What's strange about her wardrobe and styling is that through all of this, her husband has been accused of murder and has an infant out of wedlock. Grace looks the same as always. You think she'd be at least a little disheveled.

Realistically she would have broken out the Lululemon and a Stella McCartney for Adidas fleece, at least at home.

The bit that cracked me up was the suede skirt and most specifically the 10 denier black hose at the Frick.

If ever a situation called for a dark pants suit and chunky cashmere knits...

she a dyke, gots no fashion sense, get real....

The Undoing of a Thread

This should have been called The Wigging Out of Grace Fraser.

I can't stop staring at her Jokeresque mouth. It's fucking distracting.

You bitches are too much, lol.

omg cant u see her at home with that naggy voice giving keith hell...poor guy

There’s a subreddit about this show where people are butthurt that others talk about her joker face.

Are we not supposed to mention it?

Nicole's hometown celebrated her new face and old hairdo with a mural. It's there for a full three days before they turn it into something else.

bigger wig !!! cover her face so the joker vibes not infect us.....(poor keith...omg

New episode tonight, bitches!

R438, Scandalis based in real life events, including the ID thing. I read the book and it does not make much sense but that was what happened. Sometimes real life does mot have to be as rational as fiction.

As for The Undoing, though not spectacular i rather like it, it has the vibe of the 80s and 90s sexy thrillers, And I like Kidman as an. Actress, unpopular as that may be.

I love hate watching this show. It’s not very good or believable but it’s very fun to criticize.

R473, same reason I love it. I love poking holes in the plot. And it’s got the right blend of Tasteful Friends and wardrobe non-sequitirs that made me enjoy Big Little Lies.

the cops are so unbelievable. They are so NOT new york.

Edgar Ramirez looks like Jeremy Sisto on L&O.

^^^with better grooming and styling

Just keep the wig and threads commentary coming, girls. I could care less about watching this (I don’t even know what channel it’s on), but I WILL continue popping into this thread for the laughs.

Is this show filmed on the UK? There are a lot of bad American accents featured. The worst was the public defender who originally represented Hugh's character.

I love hating it too. Writing sucks but the director is doing the best he can with it. So many holes and inconsistencies. The outdoor shots are NYC but those of us who have lived there know some of the cuts don't make sense. There's no reason she would be crossing Park Ave from the park. She wouldn't have been on that side of the street from where she was walking. Asking again, has it been disclosed what Sutherland's character did for a living to afford a dozens of million dollars apartment? What time tonight will it air?

10 PM every Sunday night.

I assume Donald Sutherland's character came from old money. He's probably made more through solid investments.

The show is on at 9PM on Sundays, not 10.

^6PM West Coast, actually.

It also makes no sense why they walk the kid to school thru the park. They live off 5th and the school is off park ave.

Not a lot of care for details went on when they filmed this.

R480, the director is female.

R479, it was completely shot in the NYC area.

Susanne Bier. A very solid director. But given how Nicole Kidman threw the excellent Andrea Arnold under the bus with Big Little Lies Season 2, I don't hold out much hope for future collaborations.

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I hope Grace spends tonight's episode in a 90s era Biggie Smalls-esque fur pimp jacket. Just go all out and DARE anyone to say anything. I mean she's a pariah anyways. Might as well indulge in her love of hideous coats.

R486: You just reminded me of something that pisses me off about Nicole and Reese Witherspoon. They were among the most vocal in calling for better treatment of women during the Times Up #metoo movement. However, while they made a big show of bringing in Andrea Arnold for season 2 of Big Little Lies, they were instrumental in treating her like absolute shit. They threw a woman under the bus and butchered her creative vision all because they felt Jean-Marc Vallée could get them ratings and awards. They never fought for her and went behind her back to sabatoge her career.

Most of the series was filmed in Toronto will only the necessary tracking shots in NYC.

Edgar Ramirez's accent sounds like he's just finished a six-week ESOL course. Truly inexplicable why they would hire him for that role when there are thousands of American Latino actors who would LOVE to play a NYC detective and would sound 200 percent more authentic. He just sounds awful. My boyfriend and I laugh through all his dialogue. My boyfriend is half-Cuban/half-WASP.

I swear to God after Covid I am going to finish my 10+ screenplays and become a producer and just say:

"For the LOVE OF GOD, if you cannot do a legit 'American' accent and you're supposed to be an 'Americqn' in the story, your audition is going to end after 20 seconds."

I am so sick of British people getting away with these horrid accents, especially African Brits doing "Blaccents." Truly offensive.

[quote]Most of the series was filmed in Toronto will only the necessary tracking shots in NYC.

Makes sense considering that beach with the weird round boulders

"I'm an old fashioned cork sucker"

Shit, even Sutherland can't do an American accent.

48 minute episode, lame.

Pointedly didn't tell us the name of the other woman Jonathan cheated with. Has to be Lily Rabe's character.

That’s absolutely incorrect, R490. I worked on the crew for this project and we shot from February to June 2019 in New York. Nowhere else. Thank god the days of projects shooting a few days in NY and the rest in fucking Toronto are long gone thanks to the tax break and increasing studio space.

I had to chuckle during the opening scene of tonighf’s episode with Grace and Haley. Nicole’s longtime dialect coach Liz Himelstein must have been detained at hot yoga the day this was shot. Nicole’s Aussie accent is particularly prominent.

I couldn't stop giggling at the sudden reveal of the DeviantArt style portrait of Grace.

Same. It looked like they googled “Nicole Kidman fan art” and picked the first one that came up.

Her mouth is killing me.

She’s also looking too much like Sean Evans in drag

Fainting scene in the Oscar the Grouch coat!!

The defense lawyer is supposed to be British, right? She's not even trying to hide her accent.

So, is Elena going to turn out to be a secret half-sister that Nicole Kidman's character didn't know about?

It's pretty obvious that Janel Maloney's character did it, just to get more air time...

This may have been the most boring episode to date.

None of it makes any sense.

So...it's almost looking as if Hugh grants character is going to throw his wife under the bus and accuse her. Lmao what a bitch.

Sounds like the book is much better than the show.

I loved Graces' Hugh Hefner red velvet bathrobe coat. Keep those fug coats coming Grace!

Why are these fabulously wealthy people living in dungeons? A sign of wealth in NYC is sunshine. The more money you have to spend on your abode, the sunnier it is. These supposedly rich people are living in homes that are dark even when all the lights are on in the daytime.

r503 Muck you!!

Connie Chung! hahaha

Why would Elena's husband let Jonathan into the apartment, let alone allow him near Miguel or hold a helpless infant? Jonathan is accused of a savage murder.

Either the husband did it or he knows Jonathan didn't.

What a strange show.

“The following presentation is an HBO production set in America, where all the Americans are played by non-Americans. Accentual guidance is suggested.”

[quote] I worked on the crew for this project and we shot from February to June 2019 in New York. Nowhere else.

We were in lockdown.

......and the costumes were designed by a non-New Yorker who didn't do her research!!!

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Sorry,,meant Shaun Evans, not Sean Evans

Is " I'm a good old fashioned cock sucker " the new " Do you know who my father is ?". That was one of the most forced and awkward lines I've ever seen from an actor. I really thought that Sutherland's character was about to offer him a blowjob in exchange keeping whatshisname at the school. As a threat it sort of fell flat.

Nicole looks different

Having worked in the biz, im flabbergasted that they let her wear this hideous joke provoking wig in the movie....its ungodly. Kidman must have picked and insisted on the wig and the hideous coats.....QUEEN OF BAD TASTE....she is a bit of a joke round town..

Its better with the sound off, the dialogue is beyond banal....a new low in Grant and Kidmans career. Painful to see the great Donald Sutherland in this crap.

Found a BBC series called The Capture with Callum Turner, real suspenseful....unlike the UN Dew Ing. anyone seen it? a nail biter! and Callum is a hum dinger..

Did she sue her doctor for that mangled nose job? A few of the camera shots straight on showed the irregular nostrils...mus be a bummer for her.

Lmfao!

I love you bitches so much. The way some of you have dragged Kidman through this thread like a rag doll has had me laughing my ass off at my phone and at my wall for the past 5 minutes.

Jesus.

maybe her character has a wool allergy.

Green and chartreuse is in Vogue. The 90's are back. Dark walls are back. I do like this take on film noir. Show is good, lots of red herrings, but the show is moving forward.

What the fuck are you bitches watching? This show is good.

Its moving forward with the zest and zeal of a whale on xanax.....where is the suspense in this soap opera???? Its like a few actors in search of a script....wtf??? must have been a mess to film, storyline is paper thin.

Her character is a high-end hippie marital therapist. A caftan would be something this profession would wear. Nicole's character has more money, so goes designer boho.

[quote] Its moving forward with the zest and zeal of a whale on xanax

omfg - lmfao. I swear, I would suck your cock so deep right now for this delectable bit of wit.

thank u, LOL its a great show to hate ....enjoy her wiggyness....

You guys kill me!

As for this week's episode, we saw menacing Donald with his "I'm a cocksucker" declaration and threats about going after those who hurt the people he lives. Obviously, another set-up for us to wonder if he is the murderer.

It could be anyone at this point, even the wig itself. Maybe it broke free from Nicole's head and killed Elena because her hair was nicer.

a famous film maker is so repulsed by this show, he is making a short film spoof called WIG, that will be on u tube...good stuff.

[quote] It could be anyone at this point, even the wig itself. Maybe it broke free from Nicole's head

🤣😂🤣😂

R532 It skittered across her skull.

Now you girl need to behave. I will have you know that there are some deeply offended fans on this thread who find this show riveting, enthralling, and heartbreaking.

*girls

the wig malevolently crawls from her skull onto the sleepiing head of her son and he awakes WOKE TRANS BOOGIE ON BRO

r522, where can we watch The Capture?

I was embarrassed for Donald Sutherland.. I guess in Bizarro world, rich people talk like that to the heads of elite private schools. The actress playing the lawyer is horrible. So many better American actresses would have nailed that part.

Hey, R515, reading is fundamental. We shot this from February to June 2019, not 2020.

Here’s Nicole on an Aussie TV show saying how she loved shooting this in NY because it reunited her with crew she’s worked with over the years, including the sound guy from Billy Bathgate.

And in the link she also talks about her Undoing hair, which is the first time in years her naturak red curls have been on camera, heh heh.

Does it peel the rat off its scalp as part of the big reveal?

........

BWAHAHAHAHA! 🤣😂🤣😂🤣

This show makes some odd choices, the wig, the coats, the dark apartment, Grace's father's office hours at the museum....

Not only is her nose job, her pumped frenulum, her hair & her bizarre choice of outerwear disturbing, but her *skin.* There isn’t a mark upon it. Not a wrinkle, not a sag, not a pore, not a freckle. It’s creepy, like Jared Kushner & The Boy

PS - I’d like to live in the NYC tha5 Grace lives in because the wind is always blowing in the direction that sweeps her hair away from her face. IRL, the wind blows in 4 directions and half the time it blows your hair into your eyes.

This is how you stretch a series to 6 needless episodes with bad dialogue:

Police: We're here to ask you some questions.

Response: Do you need to ask me any more questions?

Attorney: Did you ever cheat on your wife before?

Response: You're asking me if I ever cheated before?

Cont’d

“He was here! You don’t believe me! He put his hand over my mouth so I couldn’t scream!”

“Tell us exactly what he did, ma’am.”

“He put his hand over my mouth! He told me not to scream. But I couldn’t scream because his hand was over my mouth!”

I'm simultaneously charmed by Donald Sutherland and deeply suspicious of him.

When the kid was in the principal/headmaster/whatever he was’ office I thought he did it. Either him or Elena’s kid

I think the blonde friend did it.

The Hayley character seems a bit too moralistic and judgemental for a hard charging and successful defense attorney. I suspect the problem is the writing rather than the actress. And can producers stop with this trend of giving adults age innapropriate names. I can see the lawyer being named something like Elizabeth or Sheila or Nancy but Hayley? That's a sorority girls name.

It’s definitely Lily Rabe’s character. Pretty obvious with all the “jealousy” talk and Hugh’s character saying he had another affair but not saying who it was with. It was with her.

This show is pretty bad. Lazy writing, lazy directing, and no one bothered to even try to have an American accent, let alone actually bother to act like New Yorkers. The scene where hugh’s character went to the apartment of the dead lady’s husband, and holding the baby, was ridiculous. Like something you’d see in a college freshman’s film school project.

Why was OP greyed out? Pissed off HBO shills?

Elena looks French & Italian, mostly Italian. She doesn’t look at all like a Hispanic American.

The detective has the worst Hispanic accent since Freddie Prinz tried to project “Mexican” in Chico & the Man.

The two cops are the most unlike NYPD officers that I’ve ever seen in a TV show. What an insult to the city of New York this show is. The only person I can see living on the UES is Lily Rabe’s character.

[quote]She doesn’t look at all like a Hispanic American.

When they couldn't find the right Estonian actress for the role they had to resort to an Italian.

Well fuck my free trial is up. Someone on here is clever enough to tell me how to watch it without paying....

R547 / R548 Are you serious? omg. I can’t!

what happend to the other thread/

mrs keith urban have it shut down/

go sleep with ur wig ya old septagenarian....

the people who do no like this show are nancy grace and judge judy fans. They are not into Film Noir.

Wig Noir

I wonder if this thread is greyed out because of Matt’s many manic posts. He has been shittting all over Datalounge lately.

Matt is one of Kidman’s BIGGEST fans so I wouldn’t be surprised considering how she’s been dragged up and down this thread 😂

i watched the capture on a odd site called putlocker..

Hugh is doing a good job, IMO. That moment after Connie Chung asks him “do you have any idea who did it?” And his eyes flicker menacingly to the side. Oooh, I had to replay that. And the fake crying.

Kidman’s relegated to acting with her eyes, because her face isn’t moving. She’s good, but she’s not that good.

My guess is Franklin did it. Though, we are missing a lot of information to make an educated guess still, the slow burn. Film Noir. This show is good.

I am thinking that Hugh's character is telling the truth. He cares about the boy with cancer, his patient. And does not hate the mother. Just did not want to leave his family for her. He cheats, but is not capable of murder. Just like the weird guy that nicole hired says.

Kidman wandering into the park with the kids playing while looking like a fucking Wizard from the Legend of Zelda had me howling!

I love this stupid show.

R568, you know the kids in the park had her number from the moment they laid eyes on her. “Some rich mom lady blissed out on Xanax. Turn her on her side; that’s what we do with my Aunt Kristin.”

While watching the scene with Donald Sutherland and Lily Rabe, I wondered if he ever starred in a movie with her mom. Apparently, he played Jill Clayburgh's husband in Dirty Sexy Money.

The 13 year old son did it!!!!

^ I agree. I said it above. The Rabe character is another red herring.

R571, I just finished watching the last episode and when the son was peering through the door, I thought, "He's the killer!" It's not outside the realm of possibility that a 13 year old kid could bludgeon someone to death.

I love hate-watching this beautiful, well-acted piece of shit. It has all the qualities of a great show, yet it comes up short on so many levels.

Is Grace's house a set on a soundstage? Same question for the Father's home.

At the end of the weekly credits it always says "CANADA" and "MONTREAL"

The lettering is too small and it goes by too fast for me to read more, but why are those credits there if the series was entirely filmed in New YorK?

And ,honestly, why wouldn't there be more New York actors in the supporting roles?

[quote]The beach house they fled to: which beach has gigantic boulders like that in the water?

This is the house they used. You can swipe through and see the boulders at photos 5 and 6.

And just to get DL all hot and bothered, here's bonus shot of Lens in front of the same rocks.

Back when Lens was svelte and sane.

The show is starting to come off a bit cheap. Every time Nic talks to her dad he’s staring at paintings in the same damn museum. How many phone calls to Lily Rabe have her in the middle of her daughters ballet class? The world gets tinier every week. What happened to all the catty moms from the first episode?

Did anyone watch the first episode of the documentary Murder on Middle Beach that was on right after the latest episode of Undoing? THIS is a good show. Looks like the husband did it, but could be the women in her gifting group??? From the point of view of the hot son. There isn't a thread on this, so I'm thinking of starting one.

R580 - thanks for the recommendation. Will watch it.

I'm on episode 3 and I think people are unduly harsh on Nicole. Her face is basically the same as it has ever been and her character is very different from her BLL character. She can emote wonderfully and has natural reactions to what she's going through. You want her to have huge, stage-y cardboard chewing line readings?

Her hair and costumes remind me of several NYC women I have known. Her, Hugh, and Rabe's acting is great. The photography and direction is great. The writing is very weak.

R580, start a thread! It started out a bit slow, but Murder at Middle Beach sucked me in. I did think it was interesting that the cops implied the son could possibly be a suspect too.

Going back to The Undoing, I am enjoying the ride. I still can’t get over Nicole’s wig, but it takes me back to miniseries of yore - based on a book, biggish stars, plot holes, and DRAMA. This thread is icing.

Link to Part 2 thread

I guess maybe post-production was done in Canada but NOTHING was shot in Canada.

Did they reveal the killer in the trailer? There is a quick moment of Grace and Henry, outside at night, with their heads pressed together. She whispers to him, "I'll fix this."

I saw this on another board, can't take credit for it.

The scene in question is at ~:59 in that video.

Other snippets from the trailer and teaser videos: there is a distant shot of what appears to be Franklin and Grace (wearing a hideous lime green dress) approaching a helicopter. This helicopter is later seen flying over a few police SUVs on a country road. Last shot of the trailer is Grace (in the lime green dress), screaming as she runs in front of cops across a rusty bridge toward someone. Earlier in the trailer there is a profile shot of Jonathan on what appears to be the same rusty bridge.

I think Grace is running towards Henry. In the very first episode, Henry asks Jonathan to take him on a trip, just the two of them, which Jonathan promises to do. I think they head upstate at some point, maybe after Jonathan is acquitted, and the police figure out that Henry is the real killer and go after them.

Or Jonathan escapes prison and it's him that Grace is running toward. However it seems more likely that she would be screaming like that for her kid, not her unfaithful husband.

BAJOUR!

Is the wig still alive?

so what you are saying is that henry did it. Franklin, grace and henry are framing hugh. Henry is framing his dad. That is crazy town. But would be interesting if they can pull this off. Grace was out looking for henry and she saw the murder or at least the after math. It checks out. Nothing disproves this theory. Maybe the cancer kid saw him?

There was another theory were hugh and Franklin was trying to get the kid off. Henry did it. But franklin and hugh are not working together. This does not check out.

It’s the son. Red asked him if he knew his dad’s phone code. He took the phone, started putting in a code & stopped said “no.” He didn’t want to open the phone because she would see the texts between the dad & the mistress.

Why didn’t Hugh Grant have his phone with him, anyway?

I do not think it is the kid. This story is not about how fucked up the kid is. I don't think nicole or hugh would do something like this. they both have children. The sweet innocent boy is the killer.

I think it's about the adult men. Everything is about how nicole has a fucked up childhood and got her life together. I think Franklin did the murder, and hugh is playing it straight. He cheated on nicole.

It could be Grace. And everything else is a red herring, the slow burn. Nicole was a mess, way before the kid was.

If she thinks her father killed that women, than she has to pick between her father and her cheating husband. The psychological vision of this story has to track throughout.

It doesn't seem to me that Lily Rabe's role is large enough to make her a suspect. I would also question if Nicole would have signed on to the project if suddenly Lily becomes the focus at the finale.

There is a scene in the beginning were those cops are talking to kids at the school. Henry has not spoken to the police. Both Grace and Franklin are preventing this. Henry knows something important, or is the killer. Maybe the kid knows hugh did not do it, and this information gets hugh off? Then, we find out the real killer. You know, the thriller part is us figuring out if hugh did it or not? The psychological part is who is the real killer?

Thriller part... psychological part... the material part is, who will be going to jail, if at all? Someone needs to. It would be so lame if this WOC got murdered by rich people and no one gets in trouble for it.

why did the murdered woman kiss nicole in the elevator?

The state screwed up the DNA test. This leads them to Hugh grant, in the first place. But the hair is nicole's This is why we see HER in that bathroom. But it is not nicole's baby (duh), it is franklin's. The kid knows that hugh did not do it. When he is put on the stand, his information exonerates hugh. Franklin does not want to exonerate hugh before the trial (or maybe ever) because this lead the investigators back to him (franklin).

This is the show we are watching.

The state screwed up the DNA test. This leads them to Hugh grant, in the first place. But the hair is nicole's This is why we see HER in that bathroom. But it is not nicole's baby (duh), it is franklin's. The kid knows that hugh did not do it. When he is put on the stand, his information exonerates hugh. Franklin does not want to exonerate hugh before the trial (or maybe ever) because this lead the investigators back to him (franklin).

This is the show we are watching.

Rewatched ep. 1 for clues. I now think Rabe did it. The way the ep. is shot it all points to her and nothing points to the protagonist family. What looked like her being a gossip monger now seems like hatred for the victim. Notice how the camera avoids her face during the women's reunion, etc.

Hugh Grant looks 70.