Kamala Harris is not the first Black Woman nominated for VP, Charlotta Bass was in 1952

I believe Kamala is being touted as first black woman as VP for a MAJOR party. Who the fuck are the Progressive Party?

R1 spoken like an uneducated goon.

Back then every party had a chance, and in 1952 the Progressive Party was a big deal.

[quote]PS I don’t even consider Kamala a “black” woman and online many others don’t either.

Then you're an ignorant uneducated racist fuckwit whose opinion isn't valid on anything else, so fuck right off.

How on Earth could Kamala not be considered black?

The foul-mouthed, obsessive, crackpot Race Troll again with more useless propaganda.

R2, the "Progressive Party" got 0.23% of the vote in 1952, so you can fuck right off.

Charlotta looks lite mocha.

Kamala is very clearly HALF black. She is not BLACK. She is mixed. And it shows.

I’m sick of the bullshit that someone like Kamala or Rashida Jones are exactly the same as Lupita or Viola Davis. They aren’t.

OP, I'm black and you're an idiot with the Kamala isnt black narrative. Her father, a Jamaican, was OBVIOUSLY Black. She attended an HBCU and had BLACK experiences in this country. People like you piss me off with the BULLSHIT. Find something worthwhile to be upset about next time

R8 doesn't get it.

Kamala Harris is black. She went to an HBCU. Yes, she's also part Indian ("south east asian"), but that's kinda irrelevant.

She's Black. She counts. And it's ridiculous to try and deny it. A cop pulling her over isn't going to treat her half as badly as a person with two Black parents you racist fucks.

Was not Angela Davis a VP nominee on some party ticket.

She’s half black. Not black.

R3, R9 and R10 instead of spewing venom, why not educate us on why she is NOT considered half Black and half Indian. I am genuinely curious to know why she is considered BLACK (100%). Is it because that's the popular narrative or is it something more? Is it how you "present"?

Also, it would be nice if an explanation was given like an adult i.e. without the gratuitous "you dumb fuck" , "you racist bastard", "you troll" etc. etc.

Then there is this article. But of course, we love to divide along racial lines in the USA.

I doubt that cops who pull over people ask for a 23andme DNA analysis before they decide on how to proceed.

I’m sick of biracial people being labeled as one thing. Especially when you can tell they’re mixed.

People always get mad when I say Rashida Jones is NOT BLACK. “Yes she is, she is a black woman”.

Life is very very different for someone who looks like this...

Than looks like this... and that’s a FACT

R15 rarely do people who look like Kamala get pulled over. Look at almost all the black people being stopped by cops, they don’t look like Kamala...

r18 thank you!

I am not saying that it never happens, because of course it does, but it is a lot less likely for someone like Kamala, or Rashida Jones, or Mariah etc to get pulled over than someone who looks like Viola, Lupita, Kanye etc. And most times when it does happen they aren't treated the same.

I am a caramel colored Hispanic man and never have been stopped by a cop, ever. Actually, while walking home late I had a couple wave hello at me the other night with smiles as I passed them.

Is she African-American in the sense of being descended from slaves? Is that a distinction?

Christ Americans are so weird about race.

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R2: No, cunt. Only 2 parties had a chance. Democratic and Republican. The Progressives were derided as Soviet Communist agents. They only got .23% of the vote. They had no fucking shot.

And Kamala is black. Full stop. Period. End of discussion.

Very bad try, troll. VERY. BAD. TRY. Sit down and shut up.

Kamala is not fully black. She is half black.

[quote] Kamala is not fully black. She is half black.

Nobody cares. But please, by all means, keep tilting at windmills.

R9, I’m Indian am I not “allowed” to claim Kamala (very Indian name, btw) as one of my own? I’m proud of my Desi sister!

A lot of flawed logic in this post. 🙄🙄

Wow, the race baiters have done a complete 180 on what makes someone black -- the old "one drop'" canard was fine when it was used to perpetuate Jim Crow, but now all they do is bitch about people not being "black enough."

I call bullshit.

A question for those of you adamantly asserting how black she is: why did she fare so dismally among black voters last spring?

Do you really think someone who looked like Kamala Harris would have been served at a lunch counter in Alabama in 1952? No, she wouldn't be.

R26: Claim her, you pretentious twat. But in claiming her, you CANNOT also deny her blackness. Simple as that. Talk about flawed logic.

R28: Mike Bennett did badly among white voters, so I guess he isn't white. Sit down and shut up, racist trash.

r28 You seem to think that black people cast their votes according to the skin color of the candidate. Am I reading you correctly?

People who look like Kamala were treated better than people who look like Lupita since the beginning of slavery.

Kamala would be an indoor, House Slave who is treated better while Lupita on the fields, getting whipped and having to sleep on dirt.

They weren’t treated the same even back then. Study black history in America folks. Being black doesn’t mean you know shit about History.

R31

I'm addressing the issue that Biden was pressured, for lack of a better term, into selecting a black woman as though he'd lose if he didn't is where I'm coming from.

She's from a state he'll win by several million votes, leaving the nomination race with negligible support. Black voters didn't seem to flock to either her or Booker, so obviously they don't vote on race alone. Many were loyal to Clinton over Obama.

R30 aren’t you just the cat’s meow. You’re a Political Scientist, oooh you must know everything.

Of course this conversation is happening on race-obsessed Datalounge. Old white Queens arguing over who is black and who isn't.

Isn't there a thread about Italians you can revive, OP? Because that one hasn't been beaten to death either.

I thought it's been established that Italians are white adjacent, R35. Do try to keep up!

Thanks, OP.

Girls, girls you can all be racial experts some other time, right now we have to fight the anti- orange fight.

"Old white Queens arguing over who is black and who isn't."

R35 - That is a great concept for a reality game show. It should run in the time slot right after Ru Paul's Drag Race.

Angela Davis ran in 1980 and 1984 as VP on the ticket of the Communist Party USA. That's the one that was controlled by the Soviet Union

R40 - Her and old Gus Hall were quite a team.

Major party ticket, Vladimir.

R17, Lupita has had a very privileged life. Her father is a former professor and government minister in Kenya, she grew up as part of the country's elite. Aside from being Kenyan, she's also Mexican as she was born in Mexico because her father was a professor there. What she is not is American.

Why do people who call themselves African-Americans forget that Africa exists?

She is facing a lot of the same racist attacks as Obama.

Don't forget Lenora Fulani!

[quote] I am sick of the rewriting of history that keeps happening these days.

Then write the publications that are infuriating you and share the responses. You sound very passionate about the topic. It might also lessen the hateful, racist comments which typically flare up in your threads. Please keep us posted on the progress of your crusade. We can even hashtag it: #stopthehistoryrewrites

Check in a few months down the road and let us know the progress you've made brah!

I had, in fact, forgotten Lenora Fulani. Wikipedia says she was the first African American and first woman to get on the ballot in all 50 states. I think that makes her a major candidate.

I am sure that that claim was made for a major party. Good Lord there’s nothing that anybody can ever agree on these days.

These idiotic "gate-keepers" for "genuine blackness" are as tedious and as racist as White Supremacists with their "one drop" rule.

I hate phonies.

Oh, so you don't consider Kamala Harris to be black, you racist asshole. "And online many others don’t either." What a tool.

In today's world, among people who respect others' dignity and culture, you don't get to question a person's identity with a "the internet thinks she's a foreign dot head" or "she's not black enough for THIS white person."

Ignore the troll. Ignore the bullshit, too, of fools in the 'hood who question Harris' cred when they wouldn't consider dating someone they call "Midnight" and use whitening agents to lighten up. This insane hypocrisy creeps in everywhere. Remember the crap Obama had to endure?

But most of all avoid the stink of trolls such as the OP.

[quote] you don't get to question a person's identity

Thanks for sticking up for me, R51.

She's black adjacent.

Back to topic at hand. In 1948, the Progressive Party was a potential spoiler as they ran Henry Wallace, VP under FDR from 41-45 as their candidate to run to the left of Harry Truman. Anti communist witchhunts of the late 40s and early 50s decimated the Progressive Party, but they put up candidates in 52 but they had nowhere the impact (limited though it was) of Wallace and the party folded after the election.

On the other end of the political spectrum, Pat Buchanan, when he was the Reform party candidate in 2000 had a Black woman as his running mate. Her name was Ezola Foster.

[quote] PS I don’t even consider Kamala a “black” woman and online many others don’t either

Yes, and it's an established fact that you are all racists

You're the equivalent of shit on the bottom of someone's shoe

[quote]PS I don’t even consider Kamala a “black” woman and online many others don’t either.

YOU don't get to define what Kamala Harris identifies herself as. Just as you don't get to define what gender or sexuality someone identifies as.

It's like Obama. 50% Irish, raised by white grandparents in a white environment, but somehow we are supposed to believe he's the first black president.

It's like Obama. 50% Irish, raised by white grandparents in a white environment, but somehow we are supposed to believe he's the first black president.

Here's OP

[quote] It's like Obama. 50% Irish, raised by white grandparents in a white environment

He was the only black kid in that town. I remember when trump started that birther bullshit. Lots of people in that town remember him being born because his mom married a black man. They even went on tv and said they remember him because he was black. It was a BIG deal back then. And not in a good way

He didn't have an easy life. You are racist cunts

[quote]Is she African-American in the sense of being descended from slaves? Is that a distinction?

Considering both her parents weren't born in the USA, NO she is not "African American" in that context. and would not be eligible for "reparations" if they were ever to come to pass

R61, her father is Jamaican, and how do you think Black people arrived in Jamaica? Slavery.

Jamaica is part of North America.

Her heritage is African American.

[quote] I am sure that that claim was made for a major party.

Yes. Kamala Harris is the first black and first Indian-American woman to be a major-PARTY candidate for VP. Nothing wrong with knowing who women such as Charlotta Bass and Angela Davis are, but they were not major-party candidates (as most of the trolls in here probably perfectly well know).

[quote] Back then every party had a chance, and in 1952 the Progressive Party was a big deal.

Did you really think anyone was going to believe this nonsense?

[quote] Kamala would be an indoor, House Slave who is treated better while Lupita on the fields, getting whipped and having to sleep on dirt.

So house slaves weren't black? You can have an easier life than some other black people do and still be black, ffs.

To r64's point, those lighter-skinned female house slaves were also subject to rape and sexual exploitation by their white masters - see Sally Hemings and Thomas Jefferson.

[quote] He was the only black kid in that town. I remember when trump started that birther bullshit. Lots of people in that town remember him being born because his mom married a black man. They even went on tv and said they remember him because he was black. It was a BIG deal back then. And not in a good way

"That town" was Honolulu. You're saying sold blue Honolulu is racist?

R52 try going to Jamaica or at least meeting some Jamaican people. They don’t consider themselves “African American” given the connotation of that term (and while you’re at it look up “connotation” vs “denotation”)

Americans who have Jamaican ancestry/background typically consider themselves “Caribbean” or “Caribbean-American” and also usually look down on “African Americans” for a variety reasons.

Educate yourself , virtue signaler .

Because White people, like r8, don't consider anyone mixed with anything else not white, they're trying to apply the same standards for Black people. Blackness has always been inclusive in a way that's totally opposite to whiteness which is why most people mixed with black always identify as black. Also, all Black Americans descended from slaves are of mixed heritage. No one is purely African. Kamala's mother being Indian is interesting because she is actually less "white" than Viola.

Blackness has always been inclusive. The opposite of whiteness which is by nature exclusive. Some of the biggest black icons have been of mixed descent. Everyone from Fredrick Douglas, Malcolm X and Rosa Parks to Barack Obama, Bob Marley and Thurgwood Marshall. You don't get to define blackness for black people.

And newsflash r8, Lupita and Rashida Jones may look different. So do white people from Lapland and Sicily.

[quote]Americans who have Jamaican ancestry/background typically consider themselves “Caribbean” or “Caribbean-American” and also usually look down on “African Americans” for a variety reasons.

r67 I find that most American people have very little to no understanding of the social dynamics of Afro-Caribbean people. Most of the people on this site barely know about the social dynamics within the African American community in US. So for me it has become futile to try to explain something more complex. Its ok to be ignorant on the subject, as long as you don't go around trying to tell Caribbean people what they identify as. And gay people more than anyone should know better.

Wow, Kamala's staff have already crossed out OP.

Imagine thinking Sally Hemings’ children weren’t black. Imagine thinking Bob Marley wasn’t black. Imagine thinking Halle Berry or Gugu Mbatha Raw ain’t black. Imagine thinking J. Cole ain’t black.

R60 Barack "Barry" Obama was probably the most popular kid in his class at Punahou, so while he's dealt with a lot of shit, he didn't deal with nearly as much of it growing up in Hawaii.

R66 In 1961 it sure as hell was. Not just against black Americans, either.

Jets had just gone into service, making Hawaii a lot less "exotic" than it had been when you had to sail on the "Lurline" for five days to get there. Hawaii's white population - until the 1960's - was largely Republican military retirees. Elvis' mother, Angela Lansbury's character in "Blue Hawaii," was written as a flat-out racist and why not? There were plenty more like her. Not exactly an open-minded group.