Patsy Cline's life and gruesome death..

Love her! It’s a pity she Fell to Pieces.

Good lord, those accents, lol.

Her torso was wedged under a log in the forest swamp with "part" of her head attached. Her foot was found hanging off a tree. Grim.

Ugh, what does "part" of her head mean? Top half missing? Bisected?

He doesn't say, but that she could be identified by her long black hair. I didn't know she was so badly destroyed

When you're dead, it doesn't really matter what shape your body is in. And a plane crash is definitely going to do some physical damage. It would happen so fast at impact, you wouldn't be aware.

Why did they change her death into a fireball in the Jessica Lange film? Were they confused with Carol Lombard?

Apropos that her husband's last name is Fudge.

Best country singer, ever.

Mom and I would sing our hearts out to Patsy Cline's 45s. Music is therapy. I still sing everyday.

I went to the crash site near Columbia, Tennessee. From a small parking lot, you walk along a short path to a wooded area. Voila.

Thick southern accents like that give me a headache.

R3, At least her toenails were polished.

Patsy's husband's last name was "Dick"

God what a couple of hillbillies.

They managed to salvage her mascara wand from the crash site, and it was placed in the Country Music Hall of Fame in Nashville.

"The reason we knew it was her foot was because it had fingernail polish on the toe."

I also went to Audie Murphy's crash site west of Roanoke, Virginia, near the Appalachian Trail. He was killed in 1971.

He talks very casually about all the loot he stole from the crash site. I was waiting for him to say he took her foot and has it marinading in a jar of formaldehyde in his mom's basement.

^^

[quote] Best country singer, ever.

Agreed, r8.

I put Cline in the same class as Ella Fitzgerald and Karen Carpenter within their respective pop genres.

Cline voice wasn't as talented and lustrous as Streisand's ( very few other human beings in the history of human being were or are) but in terms of interpretation, lyrical nuance and inflection, and the sheer, raw, stark heartache her voice could emit, she was close.

Cline in that rare star who died a sudden, young death that has truly earned and deserved her iconic status.

They found Buddy's Holly's pistol in the debris of his plane crash.

Pistol as in penis?

There was a rumor that the gun had accidentally fired and that caused the crash. When they were moving The Big Bopper"s remains in 2007 they re-examined them and found no evidence of gunshot

I'm not a huge fan of country music, in general, but Patsy Cline was in a class by herself. Her voice was unique. Pure and nuanced. "Walkin' After Midnight" is my favorite.

[Quote]I was waiting for him to say he took her foot and has it marinading...

Oh, dear!

Why did they change her death for the movie? It didn't crash into a mountain in daylight.

[quote] It would happen so fast at impact, you wouldn't be aware.

That's such a lie. If you have ever been in a car crash, time slows down and you defiantly are aware and can feel pain. Especially in a small 4 seater plane like that I am sure there was panic.

Well I never in all my life!

[quote] I went to the crash site near Columbia, Tennessee. From a small parking lot, you walk along a short path to a wooded area. Voila.

Voila Davis was at the crash site???

Well, R26, since you are still here typing I take it you didn't suffer the same level of impact that she did in a plane crash, so your analogy might not really hold water, don't you think? Of course there would be panic if you were aware that the plane was going down, it's just that you would go from alive to not alive very, very quickly.

P.S. Patsy Cline had a superb voice and is the only real singer in old-time country music. She really is sort of the Karen Carpenter of country music. She's Got You is her best recording.

They were flying without instruments and didn't know they were crashing. They didn't "panic" because they were dead on arrival - with the ground.

Just out of curiosity, why were they flying without instruments? Isn't that bad and also what killed JFK Jr? Seems like a bad move during a night flight.

Love her. Saw this show a year or two ago.

Always... link is full show.

From her wikipedia entry, regarding the crash:

[quote] Forensic examination concluded that everyone aboard had been killed instantly.

[quote] under a log in the forest swamp with "part" of her head attached.

I still did it better. Patsy - stay in your lane, bitch!!!

[quote] Why did they change her death for the movie? It didn't crash into a mountain in daylight.

They wanted to make it more fun for the audience.

[quote]Thick southern accents like that give me a headache.

Forget those twangs...that appliqué blouse has caused me eye bleed!

Why was it changed in the movie? I always thought she went out in a fireball.

Reading the reports it seems the Pilot did have instruments but likely wasn't competent enough to use them effectively. Likely the first clue they had they were in peril was when the small plane clipped the tree right before impact.

Anyone have any idea why the rescuers found lot of pieces of flesh on the ground? Why would a sudden impact rip people into small pieces? Did they go through the propellers?

Also, by flying all day they really hadn't travelled that far.

They crashed at roughly 175 mph.

Not only the best country singer ever but one of the greatest female singers period.

[R37] if you’ve got the stomach for it, look up motorcycle accidents, or high speed car accidents.

Your body is basically a bag of blood, fat, organs, muscle and a skeletal frame. Motorcycle accidents or even 30mph, not to mention higher speed car crashes or 175mph... that body/bag of guts is going to come apart and get torn to shreds. Body is so vulnerable especially when speed, impact, etc are all involved.

You’d wonder how people have slipped over the waist belt of a seat belt (before the addition of shoulder/chest strapping) and go through a windshield. But it’s happened.

At such speeds anything that your body hits or impedes the forward trajectory of your body, is going to rip it to shreds.

Of 175mph*

Thanks R40 it was just shocking, like they'd been torn up by something very sharp.

Her bra even popped off!

Celebrate Patsy's life, accomplishments and music, not her death.

Now we know what Lurlene does on her days off from the beauty parlor; she makes morbid videos.

We aren't celebrating her death, we wish she had lived and got the happiness she deserved. And recorded more classics. But some of us her do have an interest in gruesome endings.

[quote] Good lord, those accents, lol.

Those are classic hillbilly accents.

Why did Hillbilly Sheriff collect such odd shit from the crash site?

[quote] and you defiantly are aware and can feel pain.

Oh dear.

By the way, a car crash, which probably happens at 30-50mph, isn’t even in the same ballpark as a plane crash, which happens at five to ten times that speed.

It’s literally over in milliseconds. I’m sure the fear leading up to it is dreadful, but the actual rearranging of your anatomy is instantaneous.

[quote] Why did they change her death for the movie? It didn't crash into a mountain in daylight.

Because in the movies if the facts aren't interesting enough they just lie to make them more interesting.

The crash site was NOt near Columbia, TN. Look it up.

I like when that wreck scavenger told the woman there was skin on the strut she was holding. She didn’t even flinch.

Hillbillies have ice water running in their veins.

A close friend of my mother's and her daughter died in the ValuJet crash into the Everglades in 1996. The only human remains that were found in that crash were small bits and chunks of flesh & bones. They were able to identify some of the human remains even though none of the remains were identifiable by sight. Remains for my mother's friend and her daughter were never identified.

I remember that R53. That one was awful. They slammed into the swamp and the plane was embedded in the mud and snakes and gators hampered the search.

Patsy Cline was one of the greatest singers of the 20th Century. Horrible that she died so young, she still had decades ahead of her. Her music is timeless, it's still immensely listenable to today, and still sounds amazing. That can't be said for a lot of music from the same time period.

[quote]Why did they change her death for the movie? It didn't crash into a mountain in daylight.

My theory is that it was easier to film a plane crashing and exploding into the side of a mountain rather than into a forest, given the limited SFX technology they had back then.

R37, the pilot was Patsy's manager, Randy Hughes, who was not trained in instrument flying, like JFK Jr and that 1950s actor Robert Francis. They learned Visual Flight Rules and think they're competent enough to take passengers on long journeys, but once they encounter fog or inclement weather, that training goes out the window.

The plane crashed in a forest outside Camden, TN, so they took down trees with them, resulting in major carnage.

[quote]Cline, who had spent the night at the Town House Motor Hotel, was unable to fly out the day after the concert because Fairfax Airport was fogged in. West asked Patsy to ride in the car with her and husband, Bill, back to Nashville, a 16-hour drive, but Cline refused, saying, "Don't worry about me, Hoss. When it's my time to go, it's my time." On March 5, she called her mother from the motel and checked out at 12:30 p.m., going the short distance to the airport and boarding a Piper PA-24 Comanche plane, aircraft registration number N7000P. On board were Cline, Copas, Hawkins and pilot Randy Hughes.

[quote]The plane stopped once in Missouri to refuel and subsequently landed at Dyersburg Municipal Airport in Dyersburg, Tennessee at 5 p.m.[105] Hawkins had accepted Billy Walker's place after Walker left on a commercial flight to take care of a stricken family member. The Dyersburg, Tennessee, airfield manager suggested that they stay the night because of high winds and inclement weather, offering them free rooms and meals. But Hughes, who was not trained in instrument flying, said "I've already come this far. We'll be there before you know it." The plane took off at 6:07 p.m.[106]

[quote]Cline's flight crashed in heavy weather on the evening of March 5, 1963. Her recovered wristwatch had stopped at 6:20 p.m. The plane was found some 90 miles (140 km) from its Nashville destination, in a forest outside of Camden, Tennessee. Forensic examination concluded that everyone aboard had been killed instantly.[107][108] Until the wreckage was discovered the following dawn and reported on the radio, friends and family had not given up hope. Endless calls tied up the local telephone exchanges to such a degree that other emergency calls had trouble getting through. The lights at the destination Cornelia Fort Airpark were kept on throughout the night, as reports of the missing plane were broadcast on radio and TV.

I with the "oh, dear" grammar trolls could all die in a fiery plane crash.

Yes, somebody did a slight misspelling. SFW?

It's shocking how stupid people are to get into an airplane piloted by someone they know or should know does not have the experience needed to be piloting that plane.

In that kind of weather I would have definitely taken the offer of a car ride and not gotten on some dinky little plane.

Oops, the crash was near Camden, TN (not Columbia). Camden, Columbia, same thing. Meh. I've also been to the crash sites of Jim Croce, John Denver, Lynyrd Skynyrd, and Otis Redding.

[quote]I with the "oh, dear" grammar trolls could all die in a fiery plane crash.

Oh, dear!

r63 = Elder who doesn't know what Autocorrect is.

[R64] — The mistake at r59 had NOTHING to do with autocorrect.

Patsy liked the lady ham.

r65 you don't know how it works.

God, the grammar trolls are ridiculous.

So she quaffed from the fur cup?

She ain't never licked my lady bits!

Okay, r67, tell me how autocorrect fucked up the sentence in question:

"I with the "oh, dear" grammar trolls could all die in a fiery plane crash."

How/why would autocorrect ever change the word "wish" to "with?" This is NOT, in any way, an autocorrect error. It's the error of someone who is too lazy to proofread before posting.

Typing "wi..." the suggested words come up you hit with instead of wish. So what?

DL is a fun internet forum, nobody is going to proofread like it's a work document. That's what's so ridiculous about the grammar trolls on a forum that receives hundreds of posts a day in conversational, spoken English. And people reading the messages know what is actually meant and just breeze by the mistakes, as most normal people do. The fact that there are grammar police on a forum such as this it truly odd. It's a good thing you're all too old for Reddit because you'd probably be run off that forum

[quote]It's the error of someone who is too lazy to proofread before posting.

Are you fucking kidding? DL is not the type of place for that, it's quickly typing random thoughts and then hitting post. Some of you are really out of it.

I'm just happy Fannie Flagg found a new career in her elder years.

[quote]At such speeds anything that your body hits or impedes the forward trajectory of your body, is going to rip it to shreds.

The poor, dumb kids who spread the rumor that the bodies of Kobe Bryant and his daughter were found "embracing each other" have a lot to learn about blunt force trauma.

She's Got You

[quote] Yes, somebody did a slight misspelling.

Oh dear.

Love so many of her songs:

Honky Tonk Merry-Go-Round

I Fall to Pieces

Lovin' in Vain

Heartaches

I Cried All the Way to the Altar

Just Out of Reach

He's got one stray sprig of hair over his right ear that once you see it, just won't go away.

"Crazy" written by Willie Nelson.

She had a magnificent voice. Any clever people to guess how long it would have taken to drive from their venue to home, vs how long to fly?

[quote]A close friend of my mother's and her daughter died in the ValuJet crash into the Everglades in 1996.

That reminds me of an old joke. "What did one crocodile say to the to the other? For a cheap airline they had great food."

Did the crocodiles really eat the passengers?

Keep living in a bubble people, it's not instant in terms of fear that happens before the crash. Flight box recordings of pilots last words:

R71 The grammer trolls are so mentally deranged they think DL is their classroom.

Since we are limited to 255 posters on block/ignore I cleared my list and made the grammer trolls my top priority.

My DL is grammer troll free!

We will never know but surely, in that fog, the pilot would have no idea how low he was until they cleared the fog and hit the tree?

In which case they would have all died about 2 seconds later.

That's a good idea R84. Grammar trolls are annoying and boring. A board like this is about a conversation among strangers with different reading ability, language skills and perspectives. It's not a spelling bee, I really don't care what you think Grammar Troll Karens.

Please stop posting about spelling and grammar and keep it on Patsy, guys.

[quote]The fact that there are grammar police on a forum such as this it truly odd. It's a good thing you're all too old for Reddit because you'd probably be run off that forum.

As if we go to Reddit for the posters who use words.

What else did the Jessica Lange movie get wrong?

Hey Hoss @ r81 -- Florida has alligators not crocodiles.

Alligators are evil bastards

Hey Hoss @ r81 -- I stand corrected. South Florida is the only area where American alligators and crocodiles live side by side.

I'm thinking this video is from 30 years ago however Mr Jerry Pfeiffer must have been at that time someone very good in the bedroom activities if you get my drift based upon his demeanor.

I don't think that this has been mentioned: There's a book called "Falling Stars" by Rich Everitt which details many plane crashes where singers were involved. There are no photographs, unfortunately, or maybe fortunately, unless you're a died in the wool Death Hag.

Lucy I don't know what's wrong with me but I do make myself look at the pics. I would like to see Patsy, Buddy etc in their death.

R95 I do it too. I'm a morbid son of a bitch. Death fascinates me.

[quote]It's shocking how stupid people are to get into an airplane piloted by someone they know or should know does not have the experience needed to be piloting that plane.

Well, from the quote at R58, assuming it's true, Patsy had a casual attitude about death. "If it's my time to go, it's my time." A lot of fundy Christians feel this way. If God doesn't protect them from dying then it's their time to go. The fact that she made the decision to go on the flight at all means God was guiding her to her death at that time and in that way.

Patsy had been in a couple of serious car accidents. Perhaps she felt an early death was inevitable.

Yea but why not try to stay as safe as possible, for the fact she had 3 kids?

While in Kansas, Dottie West had offered Patsy a ride back to Nashville in her car because the weather was too poor to fly. But Patsy wanted to get home to her family sooner so she refused. Then at Dyersburg airport, the airfield manager suggested that Patsy and party stay overnight, offering them free room and meals, because the weather was bad. They went ahead anyway. Patsy had two opportunites to avoid her fate, but she gambled and lossed and paid dearly. If something is telling you something, heed the warning.

I agree. She was reckless. Should have stayed the night. Never fly a tiny plane in bad weather. I can't believe the pilot didn't refuse to fly.

I think the reason pilots take the risk is they have faced bad weather dozens of times before and were okay. That can make you over confident.

Her last words.

According to the movie: “CHARLIE!!!”

Actual words: “JESUS MOTHER FUC——*”

[quote]R86: It's not a spelling bee, I really don't care what you think Grammar Troll Karens.

Oh, dear. Oh, dear. Oh, please. And oh, fuck you, Missy. No one's calling people names but you. Illiteracy "speaks" for itself.

Now, back to Patsy and complaints about her errors in taking a plane ride. How many hard-ons for the crushed-head pics? Serious and fun stuff, right?

Just because she could really sing doesn't mean she was smart or (obviously) made good decisions. There were obviously a lot of other people around her who were plenty smart enough not to fly in that sort of weather.

Musicians used to have to tour CONSTANTLY, both to earn money and promote their recordings. It was absolutely grueling and certainly would have contributed to tendencies to abuse drugs and alcohol, as well as making it more likely that they would have to take risks in order to stick to their schedules. When the Beatles, Barbra Streisand, and Glenn Gould decided to stop performing live in the 1960s, it was really shocking.

Buddy Holly's 1957 touring map. As Patsy might say: Crazy!

...they found her vagina in North Carolina, and bits of her tits in Brazil.

Why was her bra hanging off a tree?

Only photo I could find. Doesn't look too bad. Like she's sleeping.

Because she ran out of hangers, Rose.

Is that picture genuine at R110?

Read the caption. That's not Patsy.

Yeah no way was she that intact after crashing at 175mph

All these posts and no one has mentioned that the pilot, Randy Hughes, was also her manager. She named her son after him. Allegedly he and Patsy had an affair, but he was married to the daughter of Hawkshaw Hawkins, one of the other victims.

And Valujet crashed in the 350-450 mph range- so you can only imagine.. Same as Swissair 111

And 175 MPH destroys a body well enough....

A body involved in a plane crash hardly ever remains intact. I’ve saw photos of the 2010 Smolensk air disaster which killed Polish President Lech Kaczyński, his wife, and high ranking members of the Polish government. It was GRUESOME. A plane crash is the worst way to go—the fear, the impact, and the body which is torn to shreds.

I also came across photos of Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy’s autopsy photos in 2014, which have since been scrubbed from internet. She was cut in half and had intestines and guts hanging out.

Awful way to go and my biggest fear.

Then how do some people survive plane crashes?

The power of love, R118.

R115, see R57.

That president was cut in half as well-

Its usually far worse..

r120, see r121

the pilot was Patsy's manager, Randy Hughes, who was not trained in instrument flying, like JFK Jr and that 1950s actor Robert Francis. They learned Visual Flight Rules and think they're competent enough to take passengers on long journeys, but once they encounter fog or inclement weather, that training goes out the window.

The plane crashed in a forest outside Camden, TN, so they took down trees with them, resulting in major carnage.

All these posts and no one has mentioned that the pilot, Randy Hughes, was also her manager. She named her son after him. Allegedly he and Patsy had an affair, but he was married to the daughter of Hawkshaw Hawkins, one of the other victims.

They only clipped one or two trees

The pilot in the Buddy Holly crash wasn't sufficiently trained in instrument flying either and it's thought that he misread one of the gauges. He shouldn't have flown at all as was only certified for visual flight rules and visibility was extremely poor.

Here's Patsy's racist lighter they found at the crash site:

[quote]unless you're a died in the wool Death Hag.

Another Dearly Departed fan?

[quote]I also came across photos of Carolyn Bessette-Kennedy’s autopsy photos in 2014.

Necro.

That's not me 2 posts above, but I have been addicted to Dearly Departed since 2004!!!

Patsy named her son Randy Dick. Yikes.

Patsy was a good woman

Jessica Lange received an Oscar nomination for Best Actress in "Sweet Dreams" (1985).

This is the last song that Patsy sings in the movie, right before the plane crash. Lange is lip-synching to Patsy's original recording of "Sweet Dreams".

Yes, R126, for many years.

Patsy's daughter also has an unfortunate name. Julie Dick Fudge.