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Best and worst First Ladies

Leaving Melania out of the equation, who are the best and worst First Ladies?

Eleanor Roosevelt, Michele Obama and Jackie Kennedy were all remarkable for different reasons.

I'd put in a vote for Dolly (or Dolley) Madison, as she seemed like a person it would be a pleasure to know and basically was the first wife to focus on the social reception aspect of the White House.

Worst - Mary Todd Lincoln gets a lot of flack. But she suffered from severe mental illness, lost nearly all of her children and had her husband murdered in front of her. I think I'd give her the benefit of the doubt - she had a hideous life and did nothing to deserve her misfortunes.

Florence Harding sounds like a ball-buster for sure, but I kind of admire her feminist core. She also did a huge amount of charity and relief work. She probably would have made a better president than her mostly useless husband.

by Anonymousreply 28September 6, 2020 12:30 AM

Didn't Florence Harding poison her husband? That would probably move her to the top of the "worst" list.

by Anonymousreply 1September 5, 2020 4:30 AM

Jacqueline Kennedy was our greatest First Lady!

by Anonymousreply 2September 5, 2020 4:59 AM

[quote]Didn't Florence Harding poison her husband? That would probably move her to the top of the "worst" list.

If Melania did that, it would move her to the top of the "best" list.

by Anonymousreply 3September 5, 2020 5:03 AM

Eleanor Roosevelt was a mystery guest on "What's My Line?" Top that, Mamie Doud Eisenhower!

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by Anonymousreply 4September 5, 2020 5:23 AM

My secret wife, Irving, was no prize, either.

by Anonymousreply 5September 5, 2020 5:45 AM

R2. Read a book or two about Jackie Kennedy. She looked good in clothes but she wasn’t a great First Lady.

by Anonymousreply 6September 5, 2020 6:17 AM

Jackie Kennedy is my personal favorite.

I'm sure my posting history makes my least favorite pretty obvious.

by Anonymousreply 7September 5, 2020 6:20 AM

Nancy fucked Sinatra upstairs in the WH. Where does that place her.

by Anonymousreply 8September 5, 2020 6:21 AM

R8, upstairs in the White House and under Sinatra, I assume.

by Anonymousreply 9September 5, 2020 2:33 PM

Chasten Buttigieg was the worst.

by Anonymousreply 10September 5, 2020 2:35 PM

R1, oddly, if Melania did the same thing to her husband...

by Anonymousreply 11September 5, 2020 2:38 PM

It’s pretty sad how many people take gossip as fact.

by Anonymousreply 12September 5, 2020 2:59 PM

Favorite would be a tie between Eleanor Roosevelt & Dolley Madison.

Worst = Nancy Reagan

(and worst mother-in-law would be Bess Truman's mother)

I don't like the OP contemplating whether or not Mary Lincoln is the worst. Years ago there was a 6-hour documentary on PBS called "Abraham and Mary Lincoln: A House Divided," and not only did Mary suffer from severe depression and became increasingly unstable, but she was treated horribly after her husband's murder, fueling her insanity. Evaluating someone's place in history based on her illness doesn't seem quite right.

by Anonymousreply 13September 5, 2020 3:11 PM

Why leave Melania out?

She is the worst human being ever to fill the role of president's spouse. She is vapid, greedy, hateful, ignorant, detached, and disconnected to anything recognizably decent, American or humane.

Every other First Lady rises in estimation compared to that evil woman.

And, no, Mrs. Harding did not kill her husband. Nor did she long outlive him.

by Anonymousreply 14September 5, 2020 3:15 PM

Be best, R14!

by Anonymousreply 15September 5, 2020 3:17 PM

R13, I was making that exact point.

by Anonymousreply 16September 5, 2020 3:25 PM

A h e m.

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by Anonymousreply 17September 5, 2020 3:26 PM

Margaret Taylor is my favorite first lady. She didn't really want any of the responsibilities and duties the role entailed so her daughter did the hostessing duties for state dinners and the like. No one in official Washington political or social circles knew what she looked like. Zachary Taylor's political opponents attempted to use her unwillingness to be a public first lady by insisting she was an uncouth backwoods woman with no social graces and so embarrasing that the Taylor administration made her live in the White House attic and wouldn't let her come downstairs. Not true. She was apparently a refined woman, just didn't want to do any of the public or social duties. When Zachary Taylor died, artists illustrating him on his deathbed had no idea how to portray her as they didn't know what she look like so they depicted her as sitting by his bedside with her face buried in a hankerchief as she was crying so hard.

by Anonymousreply 18September 5, 2020 3:27 PM

Lady Bird Johnson. Her "Make America Beautiful" campaign really did have a positive effect on the country. Second, I would say Jackie Kennedy. She set a tone of elegance and refinement that did influence design and popular culture in the early 60s.

by Anonymousreply 19September 5, 2020 4:06 PM

Coincidence that several Republican First Ladies were drunks. Mamie, Thelma (aka Pat) and Betty. Nancy serviced Frank Sinatra as a “starlet” before Ronnie “discovered” her. Babs just looked like the Quaker Oats guy and Laura liked her Pall Malls. Now we have a pole dancer who was shown her titties and hoo-hoo to the world.

by Anonymousreply 20September 5, 2020 4:12 PM

And worst, without a doubt is Melania. I do admire her rise from call girl to First Lady but she obviously doesn't want to do the work. She IS skilled at picking out stylish designer clothes, but that's about it.

by Anonymousreply 21September 5, 2020 4:14 PM

Another vote for Lady Bird, who was also acting First Lady during Jackie’s frequent absences from the White House.

by Anonymousreply 22September 5, 2020 4:19 PM

"Gets a lot of flack"

Oh Dear!

by Anonymousreply 23September 5, 2020 4:21 PM

Mamie is my favorite for putting stuck up, greedy Jackie O in her place.

by Anonymousreply 24September 5, 2020 4:21 PM

Julia Tyler, wife of John Tyler and First Lady from 1844 to 1845. She was pretty awful, aggressively pro-slavery despite having grown up in East Hampton. Prior to the Civil War she wrote a passionate defense of slavery.

by Anonymousreply 25September 5, 2020 4:23 PM

[quote]And worst, without a doubt is Melania. I do admire her rise from call girl to First Lady but she obviously doesn't want to do the work.

Melania seems less like a first lady and more like a character in a Jackie Collins potboiler.

by Anonymousreply 26September 5, 2020 4:48 PM

Julia Tyler was quite grand R25. She didn't want to be called the First Lady, but the Lovely Lady Presidentress. She wore a tiara and had ladies in waiting. After the Civil War she was quite impoverished, widowed with 7 children to take care of and she spent a lot of time lobbying for a former first lady government pension.

by Anonymousreply 27September 5, 2020 6:04 PM

Mrs. Tyler sounds like a real bitch.

I was surprised to find out how fiery and politically-minded the first Mrs. Adams was. She would have snapped the current FLOTUS like a twig. Actually she probably would have snapped all of them like twigs.

by Anonymousreply 28September 6, 2020 12:30 AM
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