Buckingham Nicks- did no one else NOT know they were a Duo before joining Fleetwood?

You must not know your Fleetwood Mac folklore very well.

She was only 25 when she made the album, so that would account for the baby face.

R1 I am sorry. I am a 32 year old guy still learning about these artists and acts of yesteryear.

Been listening to a lot of Fleetwood lately.

Of course I always knew of them and knew their big hits, but never heard any of their songs that weren’t their very known hits we hear all the time.

The only songs I ever heard of Stevie before a year or two ago were Edge of Seventeen and Stand Back. Now I’ve been listening to a lot.

Lindsey looks like a long haired Nico Tortorella on that cover

Lindsey was a BABE.

The Buckingham Nicks album bombed and the label dropped them. Stevie was waiting tables and struggling and was very close to returning home to Arizona to live with her parents and go back to school. Then Mick Fleetwood called.

R6 good. They needed him and he needed them.

I have even bigger news for you, OP. Mars bars are made right here on earth!

Oprah used to have a talk show too!

For whatever reason, the Buckingham-Nicks album has never been issued on CD except for bootlegs. It's one of the most sought-after titles on vinyl and one of the most-requested for CD.

She was young, beautiful, and extremely talented. But then she found out she really really really really liked cocaine.

They went to the same high school and 2 years later Lindsey asked her if she wanted to be part of his college band after it was disbanded they became a duo and later joined FM.

She was quite beautiful in her youth.

The amount of coke both did and they're still alive is kind of a feat in itself. Poor Natalie Cole wasn't so lucky and she was known to love her coke as much as they did.

You can tell Lindsey was on coke here.

Stevie Nick’s solo success had to have killed his ego. Holiday Road is his only contribution to enduring pop culture.

I was streaming Fleetwood songs today and after the album finished is goes to auto play of similar music, and a Lindsey solo song came on and it was awful. Then a few songs later another came on and again, terrible.

Frozen Love. Ahead of it's time.

However big a pain in the ass he is, Lindsey was the primary sonic architect of all those great albums from 1975 to 1987. He made Stevie and Christine's songs sound magical in a way they never did on their own. A lot of Stevie's solo material might as well have been 80s Heart or something. But those FM albums are truly unique.

(Also, "Trouble" is a legit great song.)

What a magical time to be alive it must have been: A bunch of extremely talented people coked up 24/7.

Stevie is lucky to have bounced back. "Street Angel" destroyed her career for some time. By the time of "Bombay Sapphires" she was begging Tom Petty to write for her and he told her to 'write your own songs' and was apparently pretty harsh (they were friends, btw) and she got back to being an artist and a songwriter.

btwy street angela sounds like an 80s porn film.

R21 Street Angel is a travesty to ears!

R22 now I must try and listen. Never heard it.

But I do know she clashed with the person overseeing the album over the production of the album. She hated it. She even brought in her own people last minute to change the mixes of some songs because it was so bad but it couldn’t save the mess that already was.

Wasn't Stevie in her Klonopin haze during Street Angel? She's said she wasn't in her right mind for the several years she was on that drug.

R24 she was in the last stages of it, yes. She was off of it by the time the album was released in 1994 though.

She hated this album as much as the public

Greta from Street Angel is probably one of the worst songs ever recorded!

You keep walking down mean streets

My street angel

I try to bring you in out of the cold

But street angels live on the street

And they always will

Street angels aren't like anyone you know

They do what they want and they go where they go

They may tell you

That you hold the world in your hands

But they always give it back

They always give it back

Embarrassingly bad lyrics 🤮

Because of Stevie, I have never taken Klonopin. I've had doctors who wanted to put me on it on two occasions over the years, but I remember Stevie talking about how she was a drugged-out zombie and what hell it was to withdraw and get off of it. Thanks, Stevie!

Seriously, it's a good thing she's spoken so candidly about her drug use over the years and what a nightmare it was, both addiction and withdrawal. I really think she's helped other people to avoid the same things she went through, or to get help.

{r17} Lindsey has GREAT solo songs are you high?

Out of the Cradle is a GREAT solo album by Lindsey. His last one Seeds we sow from a few years is AMAzinG

Another great one

Lindsey, learn how to post links. And the only good solo song you had was the theme from Vacation.

Lindsey did not get producer credit for Rumors but ken caillat who hated this guts for being difficult admitted that he was there every step of the way to help produce and arrange the songs of the album.

Lindsey’s solo albums were not good.

Dear god, I don’t think I’ve ever seen a more coked up person than Lindsay at R15.

OMG Lindsey is tore up from the floor up in r15's clip.

R28 I love her, but I don’t buy she was an innocent victim in the klonopin situation. I have taken it and I don’t believe the Dr. kept increasing her dosage without some prompting from her. She was also admittedly drinking and smoking pot while taking klonopin. That is a big no no

Yes, she describes Klonopin as being worse than cocaine.

Bitch, you were only put on that to withdraw from cocaine.

It's odd for someone to be clean for as long as she's been and still not accept responsibility for herself.

R15 is actually very uncomfortable to watch... the first time. So I watched it like 20 more times. I’m now obsessed with this video. Gurl is FUCKED UP!

But is it coke or booze? Or both?

I think both. He looks woozy, yet fidgety and teeth-grinding-y.

You wanna see coked out celebs? Watch some of Sly Stones stuff. Omg.

Stevie didn't want to be put on anything. It was friends who urged her to go to a psychiatrist after her rehab stint because they were afraid she'd relapse. So she did. The doctor thought putting her on tranquillizers and Stevie reluctantly agreed. She originally thought she had Chronic Fatigue Syndrome but by the time she realized it was the Klonopin she had been on it for years.

everyone points to Mick and Stevie for their addiction but atleast they can handle their drugs in public unlike Lindsey who even had a massive freak out in the shower and chopped his locks off with nail scissors.

Lindsey’s looks are beyond overrated

I didn't know when I was a kid, but I have the LP. It's pretty solid. Shame they have not rereleased it but with their hatred of each other it will never happen.

R45 I wish someone would trick those two and lock them in a room together with no distractions. No phones or anything. Just them and wine. I’m sure they would be able to fix whatever it is that has them so angry with each other

Stevie said so herself in this clip Lindsey is still very much in love with her and still cant over the break up. To this day he believe in his heart that if they did not joined FM they would have move to San Francisco, work on their music, got married and had kids.

It must be true what they say about fame causing arrested development. I had a bad breakup about 20 years ago and I feel absolutely nothing when I think of that person. (We are also in the same industry.) My life is so different now it's like it happened in another lifetime.

Yet Lindz and Stevie can't seem to move on one iota.

I was born in the early 70s, so I'm most familiar with "80s weirdo, Robert-Smith-hairdo" Lindsey.

70s Lindsey was hot! He looks best with long curly locks but no facial hair.

Are we to assume that "Trouble" was also about Stevie?

If so, I'm sad for Lindsey because he does seem to have been truly heartbroken. But, he also abused Stevie, so what did he expect?

"That's where it's at" LOL

The Buckinghan/Knicks album was superb. It got buried in some copyright dispute. Just like that 4 Kings album from kristofferson and Waylon Jennings? (? because I can't remember off the top of my head who was on it) Just like the BK album, it was great. I need to pull out that crate.

For reference

In R47's clip, Stevie said some flippant things about Lindsey. The message was: He's kind of an asshole, but I knew I needed his help on this song, so I called him up, and when he got here to work, I was nice to him for a few days.

I get a vibe from Stevie that she decided at some point to exploit the failed romance for publicity / sales / whatever. Lindsey’s heartbreak seems more real.

Having said that, Lindsey’s definitely an asshole.

They both pick at each other like little kids. It’s kind of creepy.

Lindsey sucked solo.

Lindsey and Stevie are the Jesse/Darcey of the rock world!

Lindseys son is 22 and an even more handsome version of his dad.

Lindsey's song "Go Your Own Way" has been used in at least two commercials over the past couple of years. He's making money. I love "Never Going Back Again" (Rumors), "Trouble" (from his first solo album), and some of his weird songs on Tusk. He can write songs, sing, and play guitar. But his strongest talent seems to be taking other people's songs, arranging them and adding sparkle (i.e. turning them into hits).

Lindsey’s handsome son

Lindsey looks like the great-grandfather of those two kids.

R53, stevie admitted in several interviews her true love is Joe Walsh who was known to be the life of the party just like her. Lindsey is too intense and a hermit that woukd rather be locked in his home studio for hours then enjoy being surrounded by people.

The love of Stevie's life.

Wow, it’s too bad Lindsey and I never met. He’s just my type and our personalities are similar.

His current wife is by most accounts very private and introverted.

Lindsey has not aged well.

He needs to give up the skinny jeans. How embarrassing!

He had that beautiful olive skin—how is he aging so badly? Not eating enough?

Isn't a core element of the entire Fleetwood Mac history the on-off relationship between Nick and Buckingham?

There should be a reality series where the producers take a couple of people from one famous band and temporarily stick them into another famous band, then sit back and film the drama for us all to watch. And if they're/we're lucky, to see and hear the new creative sparks.

For starters, let's pull Buckingham/Nicks out of Fleetwood Mac and switch them with Stephen Stills and Graham Nash of CSN.

(If you don't know about all the incredible drama, bitchiness, and in-fights with CSN, particularly between Stills and Nash, go read up on it.)

Who else should we switch up?

It looks like FM gets along quite well in the studio without Stevie.

R11, she was never “really talented”. What talents of hers are you so enamored with exactly?

And OP, it doesn’t sound like you knew much about FM at all until very recently, so you shouldn’t be surprised that there’s stuff about them you don’t know about. But yes, everyone well acquainted with the band is aware of the Buckingham Nicks album. It’s not exactly an obscure nugget of trivia in the band’s biography.

For the inevitable biopic:

Bradley Cooper in a fright wig as Lindsey

Sienna Miller in a fright wig as Stevie

Why am I not running Hollywood?

That is PERFECT casting.

r67 he's young and he's just discovered them. It's great that younger people are listening to classic rock.

....

R69, I am glad young people are into classic rock. If only more of them were. But, I was 19 when I “discovered” Fleetwood Mac in 1997, when they did that reunion tour and “Silver Springs” was everywhere. That was my first rock show. And even all the way back then, at 19, I was able to find out about Buckingham/Nicks and get a dubbed copy of it on cassette, through the wonders of the pre-social media Internet (no Wikipedia, and I don’t think Google even existed then.) So you’ll have to excuse me if I’m not impressed by a THIRTY-TWO-YEAR-OLD in the year 2020 just discovering that record now! But yes I’m glad.

Now he just needs to find out about better 70s bands.

[quote] everyone points to Mick and Stevie for their addiction but atleast they can handle their drugs in public unlike Lindsey who even had a massive freak out in the shower and chopped his locks off with nail scissors.

He did that “in public”?

So her nights became nightmares...

As she fought for their souls

And the days became worse...

For the ones she had lost

Children of the world...

The forgotten chimpanzee

In the eyes of the world...

You have done so much for me

He's still working his way through the FM catalog. And the B/N album isn't exactly well-known to casual fans.

Mommie!

Mooommmmmmeeeeeeeeeee!

[quote] He's still working his way through the FM catalog. And the B/N album isn't exactly well-known to casual fans.

Yes but a cursory look at the Fleetwood Mac Wikipedia pa—

Oh never mind. There’s nothing odd about a new and casual fan not knowing about the B/N album, so I don’t know why he’s surprised to learn that there’s something in the “associated acts” discography that he didn’t know about. I don’t want to get too autistic about it, I just think the whole “I’m a wide-eyed naïf and I can’t believe all the things in existence that I didn’t know about (because I never had any interest in them before)!” act is a little weird.

Many fans do not know about Buckingham Nicks.

[quote] Stevie said so herself in this clip Lindsey is still very much in love with her and still cant over the break up. To this day he believe in his heart that if they did not joined FM they would have move to San Francisco, work on their music, got married and had kids.

Lindsey is the one who married decades ago and had a family, while Stevie was never able to make a relationship work long term. If one of them is still hung up on the other it’s her, though I think really they just know how to push each other’s buttons too well to get along.

Silver Spring is my favorite FM song.

It was going to be on Rumors but was cut. The other band members didn't want Rumors to be a Stevie Nicks album.

During The Dance concert you can see Stevie shooting daggers at LB. It's quite funny.

LB recorded an album with Christine recently to establish a career away from FM and it was a big bomb.

LB came crawling back and Stevie got him fired. Womp.

Stevie is a star, LB is a footnote. It also doesn't help that LB looks like half of Beavis and Butt-head these days.

Lindsey kicked her when they performing during the Tusk or Mirage tour. He’s a damn mess!

[quote] “I’m a wide-eyed naïf and I can’t believe all the things in existence that I didn’t know about (because I never had any interest in them before)!”

I'm around your age and I was already an adult when I really discovered many artists from the 40s/50s like Sinatra, Peggy Lee etc. It takes quite a while to get up to speed, because these artists were so prolific and there's so much material to cover.

[quote] LB recorded an album with Christine recently to establish a career away from FM and it was a big bomb.

No — this was supposed to be the next Fleetwood Mac album but they couldn’t get Stevie to participate and finally they gave up and released it as a Lindsey-Christine duo album even though it’s actually Fleetwood Mac without Stevie. Then she turns around and gets him fired from the band.

Lindsey has been making solo albums for forty years, he didn’t need this album to “establish a career away from FM.”

The reason they never really got over each other was because they still saw each other and worked together all the time, for years and years. When most people break up or divorce, they go their separate ways and never communicate again. That makes it a helluva lot easier to move on. I cannot even IMAGINE still having a relationship in some way with any exes of mine. God, that would be uncomfortable.

They were stupid to cut Silver Springs from Rumours. That's one of the best songs they've ever done and it would've been another huge hit off of the Rumours album for them. In other words, even more $$$$ in the bank. Really dumb decision.

[quote] It was going to be on Rumors but was cut. The other band members didn't want Rumors to be a Stevie Nicks album.

The actual reason it was cut is more practical - on vinyl records there was a limit to the amount of content you could press per side and they needed to cut one song.

It was a stronger song than others for sure but it was cut partly for technical reasons and less about any one person's contributions.

Again, LB is a footnote.

His solo career? Crickets.

R84 As it turns out Silver Springs sold fucktons with the Dance album so they got those extra sales, after all

[quote]The actual reason it was cut is more practical - on vinyl records there was a limit to the amount of content you could press per side and they needed to cut one song.

This explanation has always sounded like bullshit to me. Rumours is just under 40 minutes long -- if "Silver Springs" had been used instead of "I Don't Want to Know," the Stevie song that replaced it, the album would only have been a minute and a half longer, and which would still be within a comfortable range for an LP. I think Lindsey just didn't want it on the album. He got the band to record the track for "I Don't Want to Know," an old song of Stevie's, without even asking her first.

I love Silver Springs too. I still can't believe it got cut. It's actually becoming my favourite song from the album.

Interesting how they seemed to rule 1977 (Rumours), 1987 (Tango in the Night) and 1997 (The Dance). It was like every ten years they would come back to remind everyone how great they were.

IMO, they made the right decision, if only in hindsight with The Dance. Having yet ANOTHER intense break up song might have made the flow of the album drag a bit. Plus, I really like I Don't Want to Know.

Eh, know I'm in the minority, and maybe it's just that I'm used to the classic Rumours track listing, but "Silver Springs" has always sounded like a B-side to me (which is how it was released, with "Go Your Own Way" on the A, in advance of the actual album). Plus "I Don't Want to Know" has always been one of my favorites. It gives the second side a nice shot of adrenaline.

The Buckingham McVie album's rhythm section is Mick Fleetwood and John McVie. It's basically a Fleetwood Mac album without Stevie Nicks. They could have used the name "Fleetwood Mac", but had they done so, it would look like they were excluding Stevie or moving on without her.

It is odd. Stevie didn't want to record, so they recorded without her under a different name, saving the name "Fleetwood Mac" for when Stevie returned. But when Lindsey didn't want to tour, they tossed out Lindsey. The band looks like it did back in 1999, just after Lindsey left. However, since the band will likely never record again, they don't need to leave a door open and hope Lindsey will return. I know Lindsey is an asshole, but if it weren't for Lindsey's joining in 1975, we wouldn't be talking about any of them today, and Mick and John would just be a footnote in articles about Peter Green.

Fleetwood Mac are great at selling stories. The long-standing love/hate story between Stevie and Lindsey. And then the Silver Springs saga. I love the song, but Stevie cannot still be holding a grudge it wasn't included on Rumors. It's more than gotten its due. It was a B-side for Go Your Own Way so Stevie got royalties. Then it was included on a FM box set. Then The Dance where it was released as a single. Then the Rumors reissue. And it was the only FM song to be included on Stevie Nicks' Crystal Visions solo compilation (ok, Dreams was as well but it was the Deep Dish dance version).

" Then Mick Fleetwood called."

He called because he heard Lindsey Buckingham's guitar playing and asked him to join Fleetwood Mac. And Buckingham told him that he and his girlfriend Stevie were a package deal, and if he were to join the band she would have to be in the band, too. Fleetwood agreed to that. And that is how Stevie Nicks got in Fleetwood Mac: by being Lindsey Buckingham's girlfriend.

It was never going to happen but the track they should have gotten rid of to make room for Silver Springs wasn’t “I Don’t Want To Know”. It was “Oh Daddy”. Stevie always ended up getting fewer songs on all the FM albums, up until “Say You Will”.

It’s a little heartbreaking Lindsey got Stevie into FM... and she was ultimately the one to force him out in 2018.

"They both pick at each other like little kids. It’s kind of creepy."

They both are immature people. It's really funny how they, even to this day, keep sniping at each other. Nicks has repeated endlessly the story of how she ended the relationship with Buckingham, and how he never got over it and still blames Fleetwood Mac for taking her away from him. Buckingham tends to be more sanguine when speaking of their tortured relationship, but he did say in an interview that Nicks resents the fact that he found his soulmate late in life and has a family and life partner and she never was able to have that herself. Yes, they still keep picking at each other. I wonder if they're finally done with each other once and for all. But I"m sure if there's money to be made they will set aside their differences and resentments and work together again. It really is all about the fame and money.

Have they said anything about each other since Lindsey had open heart surgery? Surely Stevie wouldn't pick on a man recovering from that?

Hope she felt guilty. Maybe she really is a witch.

R93, she was pissed and quit FM because they wouldn’t let her include it on Timespace her first GH compilation...before it had been released elsewhere other than the b-side in the 70s

In February, Mick Fleetwood organized a tribute concert for Peter Green. (John McVie didn't attend, as he was cruising on his boat. Sad.) Fleetwood did some interviews to promote the event. One interviewer asked Mick if he had spoken to Lindsey after his recent heart attack. Mick said he had not. Wow.

Fleetwood is the biggest jerk of this band. He let the band be inducted into the Hall of Fame without Peter Welch, who held the band together for awhile after the three original guitarists quit / were fired (up until Lindsey and Stevie joined). (Prior, Welch had sued the band for unpaid money that was owed him.) He cheated on his wife. John and Christine must be pretty passive and just go along with what Mick says.

Frankly, they all sound like horrible people corrupted by their success. They're all very talented, but sound like shitty people.

Christine did send a heartfelt email to Lindsey after the lawsuit was settled. The rest did not contact him even after his heart surgery. Steve has always lacked empathy for Lindsey and according to a book by his ex when Lindsey had a major epileptic seizures that send him to the hospital and she was waiting there in panic Stevie tried to sympathize with her and compared it to what happened to her dog.

Lindsey is a rare bird. Gorgeous In his youth and very talented, but apparently introverted and shy. He probably needed a Stevie to propel him forward. But she isn’t going to understand him all that much because they are too different. That’s what allows her to be callous towards him.

He does still seem to be hung up on her. In interviews he gave in 2018 he’s still gushing about her. It must make his wife feel weird.

For those that never had the chance to see Fleetwood Mac in concert during their 70s heyday, you may be surprised to learn that instead of twee pop confection, they served straight up rock and roll. Extended jammed out versions of their songs. Completely different live than their polished FM radio hits might lead you to believe.

Oh Daddy singlehandedly destroys Christine's songwriting reputation

One more defense for the newcomer. Or maybe more like a parallel. When I was growing up in the 80s, I took to Led Zeppelin, Cream, Buffalo Springfield, Pink Floyd and the like. At that time, there was a huge disrespect for older music. If it wasn't AH Hah or REM, it was an antique.

Cut to college and my College friends all jumped on the Grateful Dead bandwagon. Which is fine. But that is where they stopped. No attempt to venture beyond their one "cool" band. Different strokes I guess.

All these excuses for why members of FM don't talk to Lindsey or didn't push to keep him in the band, when the simplest answer is that Lindsey is the reason for all the conflict.

"Stevie is a callous witch, Mick is an asshole, John is self-absorbed" and on and on when the real common denominator here is Lindsey himself.

All the coke, the freakouts, the kicking, the insults, the needling of other members, he wasn't doing those things out of self-defense, he was doing them because he's broken, or maybe just a jerk. They're all prickly (maybe not Christine) but it's impossible to believe Lindsey is a victim here.

What is Lindsey’s glitch? Any good biographies about him? ( I know his ex wife wrote a book.)

Lindsey is the common denominator. People need to realize this.

R109, that may be true. If so, the band sucked it up for a long time, just for the money? The fans want to see the guitar parts played by the man who wrote and recorded them. Also, Mick has built up this huge soap opera story around the band over several decades, and now he's just fired the lead actor. Now with their celebrity add-ons, they're just another supergroup, with the exception that they don't want to record any new music; they just want to tour over and over.

Lindsey wasn’t gorgeous. Despite how much DL wants us to believe that

People forget that they tried to make an album w/o Lindsey in the early 90s (and then another one w/o Stevie). It sucked and didn't sell. That's why they put up with him. I imagine they thought they could go back to the days of cycling guitarists in & out of the band, but it was a different beast by then.

Just saw yet another company using Lindsey's "Go your own way" in a new commercial. The commercial is for xfinity. The arrangement is soft and ethereal, mostly acoustic. More $$$ for Lindsey.

It’s Fleetwood Mac’s song. No one knows, yet alone says, Lindsey’s song. It’s Fleetwood Mac. The only member known by most is Stevie.

I was surprised to find that Edge of Seventeen only peaked at #11. I would've thought it went to #1. Christine's solo song "Got a Hold on Me" actually went higher, to #10.

Lindsey's solo song "Trouble" went to #9 in the US.

Stevie's "Leather and Lace" went to #6 in the US. It's a beautiful song, and I'm surprised that it's not played on the classic rock stations today.

"Edge of Seventeen" charted higher on the mainstream rock chart. I remember it being a bigger hit on AOR stations than Top 40.

R114, apart from their increasingly bizarre fixation on a certain member of this band, doesn't seem to understand how songwriting or publishing works.

Oh yes, Stevie of course has had numerous hits on her own. I'm just surprised Edge of Seventeen isn't her biggest at all, since it's become the signature of her solo work.

OP, how dare you not know the origin story behind an obscure recording made 15 years before you were born.

HOW VERY DARE YOU.

r116 And Bob Welch's Sentimental Lady went to #8.

I prefer the original version of "Sentimental Lady". That version had a more raw sound.

However, on the solo version, I think Lindsey overproduced the song, though Christine's added background vocals are beautiful.

It's unlikely they'll ever record or tour again. They're really getting fucking old.

[R116] And Lindsey produced and played on (along with Christine) the 2nd hit version of Sentimental Lady as a favor to Mick. Those of you who think the band would be anything without Lindsey are crazy. They are nothing now. Their shows on the last tour were sloppy, off-key and cringeworthy - and, very tackily, they used images on Lindsey to promote it in some markets. Mick has always been a sleazy guy who's terrible at managing money. In the future Lindsey won't be there to bail him out (but Stevie and Christine are still there to lend him money).

Stand Back peaked at #4

The idea that Lindsey "never got over" Stevie and is "still in love with her" is showbiz nonsense. I agree with someone upthread that, if anything, it's quite the inverse. And Stevie's contention that Joe Walsh was "the love of her life" is also hogwash. Like all of the other great divas, the one thing that eludes Stevie is her ability to keep a man. Since Gary Morton kicked the bucket, what straight man would want to put up with such a selfish, self-centered person, barring playing the old broad for cash? There's an anecdotal story that's made the DL rounds about an ordinary guy who dated Stevie in the 1990's. She became so crazy obsessed with him that he had to move out of Arizona and change his name to escape her. She's not entirely normal.

"Stop Dragging My Heart Around" made it to #2.

Oh please already. Lindsey’s best selling solo album was “Law and Order” which peaked at #32 on the Billboard 200. That same year, “Bella Donna” by Stevie Nicks peaked at #1.

Let’s not try to compare their solo careers.

[R128] Tedious to have the make the same point over and over but Lindsey regarded his solo career as a creative outlet, not as a means to become a superstar on his own. He already had that with the band and was very ambivalent about it. Guess it's hard for some people wrap their minds around the notion of an artist working for love of the art, but be cynical if you must. Lindsey always engenders strong reactions on DL because he's a natural object of envy - he's from a good, high-achieving family (his brother won a Silver Medal at the 1968 Olympics), he's extremely handsome, he's incredibly talented, he's hugely successful and he has the respect of his peers. That's alot for the bitter queens of DL to digest without going off their rockers.

[R129] He's also happily married to a beautiful woman with her own career and his three kids aren't fucked up messes. How dare he!!!!

R129 bullshit. There is nothing deep or “artful” about his music. It’s generic.

[R131] Simply not true. Talking out your ass. He's immensely creative and his talent as a musician is dazzling.

R132 he is talented. Doesn’t change the fact his music was not deep art like you wanna claim. His first few albums were generic. He was trying to make it big. Never happened. He then realized it wasn’t gonna happen so he tried playing it off like it was all for the “art”. Bullshit.

He has always been envious of Nicks solo success.

The clip at R132 is beautiful. It sounds like Eddie Van Halen playing a banjo.

R133, he had already made it big with Rumours. It doesn't get bigger than Rumours. But it can get better. The clip at R132 sounds magical; who cares how much it sells.

[R133] Brick wall. His music is not "generic" - you don't what WTF you're talking about and your lack of specificity shows it. You keep making the same dumb points over and over again with nothing to back it up. You don't know his solo career beyond looking up a chart position or two.

Here is the confirmation that Lindsey is still in love with her and is not over it and stevie wasn’t exaggerating..

The “smirk” video that got Lindsey fired from Fleetwood Mac.

R137 even Christine gave him a funny look. He is so envious of Stevie.

R47, why do you hate them? Let's face it, they had thrilling days and now have residuals.

The clip at r137 doesn’t make Lindsey look good. He DID make a face. She was being sweet, funny and playful, and she turned back and he has the meanest face on.

100% jealous of this woman.

Some of you can keep lying and trying to paint the white man as a saint, he isn’t.

She was nothing short of charming and endearing there.

Christine started it by looking at her watch and she and Mick began to dance.

"It’s Fleetwood Mac’s song. No one knows, yet alone says, Lindsey’s song. It’s Fleetwood Mac. "

Oh, please. It's HIS song. He wrote it. Everybody knows it's his song, and everybody knows it's about Nicks: "packin' up, shackin' ups all you wanna do." And anybody who knows anything about Fleetwood Mac knows who the band members are besides Nicks. Not everything is about Stevie fucking Nicks, although she'd like to think so.

R142 no. No one knows it’s his song. He isn’t a household name, unlike Stevie.

R137, please point out the time in that video where Lindsey smirked. Christine animatedly looked at her watch at 4:29. Mick and Christine started dancing with each other at 4:58. The only thing Lindsey did was laugh at Christine's antics and play along with them. (He appears to comment to Christine after she looked at her watch, and later, after Christine and Mick started dancing, Lindsey invited John to dance.) The whole time throughout Stevie's speech, Lindsey's body language appeared happy.

Oops, I meant, R140 above.

Lindsey pooped in her shawl during the mirage tour

At 5:01, Lindsey looks cute as hell dancing by himself after John refused to dance with him (while Mick and Christine continue dancing). The audience is cracking up at their antics, while Stevie is oblivious; she might even think the audience is clapping for her. She didn't even seem to notice the crowd suddenly getting excited when Hillary Clinton appeared on the screen.

Stevie is beloved. Unlike Lindsay

I'm sure it bothers Lindsey that Stevie's the only one who really had a successful solo career and thus dominates the band. But most of her solo material is on the level of Rock a Little. Blandly generic pop rock indistinguishable from 80s Heart or Pat Benatar. Sales figures aside, who would honestly argue that it's on the same level as the 5 classic albums she made with Fleetwood Mac? (I'd personally rather listen to a Bob Welch-era album like Mystery to Me as well). Lindsey as a solo artist may have been too eccentric for mass consumption, but in a band context he was the secret ingredient that gave them an edge over all the other SoCal soft rock acts of the 70s.

" No one knows it’s his song. He isn’t a household name, unlike Stevie."

HAHAHA! Stevie Nicks! "A household name!" You're an idiot. And it should be said again: everybody who knows anything about Fleetwood Mac knows it's Buckingham's song, you poor silly twat.

R150 that isn’t true though.

And how would Stevie, the only one in the group to have a successful solo career, not be known? Give me a break.

I kinda have to wonder how old R151 etc is. When I was 5 years old and listening to my parents' copy of Rumours I knew who Lindsey Buckingham was. The dude with the big 'fro. (However, just from looking at the album I wasn't sure which one was Stevie and which one was Christine.)

Today’s youth knows Fleetwood Mac because they became relevant to them when Glee dedicated an episode to the Rumours album. Their music and albums jumped back on the charts for a few weeks after that episode aired. Like in the past, Stevie was who they would speak about.

Then came AHS Coven, and Stevie became an icon to the young people.

Young people know Stevie Nicks. They know Fleetwood Mac. They don’t know Lindsey. Welcome to 2020 r152

We aren’t in 1985 anymore.

Believe it or not, there are millions of people alive who never watched Glee or AHS and who know who the fuck Fleetwood Mac are. The long term shelf-life of those shows will probably be shorter than you figure.

"Young people know Stevie Nicks. They know Fleetwood Mac. They don’t know Lindsey."

You are insane. Anybody who knows anything about Fleetwood Mac knows who Lindsey Buckingham is. And the average "young person" has no fucking idea who Stevie Nicks is, you dumb troll.

No one knows Lindsey outside of old people or hardcore fans.

[quote]Blandly generic pop rock indistinguishable from 80s Heart or Pat Benatar.

You have an odd definition of bland. Stevie, Heart and Benatar had some fantastic songs that still hold up today. A lot of their material is in no way bland.

Stevie was not bland at all. Maybe some songs but she also had some great ones

No one knows Stevie outside of old people or hardcore fans.

R159 that is a lie lmao

Go on Twitter and search Stevie Nicks. She has stan pages like today’s young artists, and tons of young people tweet about her.

Then search Lindsey...

You still hear Fleetwood Mac's songs and Stevie's songs all the time. Younger people know who they are.

If only I could somehow, in some way, bring myself to care about Twitter stan culture...

R163 Twitter is a great place to go if you wanna know what the kids are into these days. That is where they are besides TikTok. They abandoned FB and Instagram is just for pics etc.

Tons of tweets about Stevie just earlier or yesterday. Tons.

I would love to hear what you guys think of this young ladies casting choice...

Gen Z and the general public thinks lindsey is Peter Green and that he died. Lots “RIP Peter Green”in the Go your own way and other vids so if they start touring again they wouldn't think its a big deal that there are 2 new members.

R167 my sister saw a pic of him and asked who is that? I said Lindsey from Fleetwood. She said oh didn’t he die? LMao

OK, just to lighten things up a little, here's a rare clip of LB from the SNL vaults (around the same time as R15), attempting to perform "Trouble" while in the grip of cocaine psychosis.

(Still think it's a great song.)

Welcome to Stevie's fabled past, OP.

Your discoveries are our old news.

Intelligent people know who Lindsey is. He has never tried to win over dummies like so many posters here. Again, Lindsey invites intense envy. And Stevie types try to convince you it's the other way around.

Mick Fleetwood didn't call Stevie and say, "please join us." And she didn't reply, "Okay - but you have to take my boyfriend because we are a package deal" - there has never been a dispute about who the real talent of this band is. The whole band would agree.

R172 that is because Mick Fleetwood didn’t hear her play guitar. His guitar playing is the only reason he got a call.

If he heard Stevie singing he would take her. She became the face of Fleetwood and her songs are their most popular

[R173] Very wrong and very naive. The irony is that Lindsey was the only person to recognize Stevie's talents. He was the only person who understood what she was capable of. He made it happen for her. On her own, without his musicianship, his arrangements and his facility with the recording process, she would have been an artsy hairdresser in Phoenix with a rich father.

R174 bullshit.

[R175] There was ZERO interest in Stevie Nicks in the music industry. ZERO. But Lindsey's talents were so obvious everyone knew that something was going to happen for him.

R176 SUREEEEE

Stevie has always known how to manipulate men. Her father was a big corporate executive. Admirable in business but not so good for relationships. Stevie should have married Frank Sinatra.

OP, I can’t even figure out what your question is...so many negatives. Anyhoots, yes Buckingham Nicks was a thing. I tried to track down some of their songs some time ago but wasn’t very successful.

R172 interesting that Stevie never mention that in this vid she said here “I’m joining Fleetwood Mac and so are you”..

Once Stevie had achieved what she wanted she threw Lindsey aside - which was always her plan. Lindsey was naive enough the believe that she actually loved him. That's the basis of the rift. And then she fucked band leader Mick Fleetwood. Very whorish.

Lindsey was far from innocent

The problem for Stevie is that she had no plan for herself beyond vanquishing Lindsey. She remains forever 27 and dumb.

There wasn't A SINGLE PERSON interested in Stevie Nicks, her voice or her songwriting. Not a one. No one thought she was very good. Only Lindsey.

Stevie is friends with all her exes but she couldn't figure out why it still bothers Lindsey to this day..

Stevie's lack of gratitude is remarkable. It's her fatal flaw. Her ego goes unchecked obviously.

LIndsey Buckingham was always the most talented musician in Fleetwood Mac. It was HIS talent that made Mick Fleetwood want him to join the band. And Stevie Nicks virtually owes him her entire career; it was because of him that she got into Fleetwood Mac and he was instrumental in making her songs sound better,transposing them and arranging them. She would be NOTHING without him.

The idiot who keeps insisting nobody "knows" who Lindsey Buckingham is must be one of Stevie's retarded fans.

[R187] Right on. A recently story about Stevie and her entourage visiting Harry Styles and staying all night - long after the host wanted to go the bed - leads me to believe that she's up to her drug bullshit again.

Stevie #1

Lindsey #32

Enough said.

I have always thought Lindsey was just an asshole and a weirdo. This thread is making me reconsider him. I’m kinda obsessed with young Lindsey now.

The Lindsey obsessive needs to get a grip!

Stevie Nicks was always the most flamboyant, egotistical, self-absorbed member of Fleetwood Mac, which is why she got so much publicity. She really is pathologically in love with herself, not unlike Madonna. In other words, a cunt.

Hi Lindsey!

I see Lindsey's wife is here again to the rescue!

Wait, Buckingham and Nicks were IN Fleetwood Mac?

I stopped buying albums and attending Mac concerts after Penguin.

Dave Walker will always be the lead singer of Fleetwood Mac to me.

Personally I was a fan of Bob Weston (in the white suit). He was fired after two albums for sleeping with Mick Fleetwood's wife. Before Mick cheated on another wife with Stevie Nicks. This band took drama to a whole new level.

Who is Lindsey Buckingham?

I saw my first Fleetwood Mac concert in 1987 and then again in '90 on the Behind the Mask tour and Rick Vito and Billy Burnette will always be the lead singers to me.

R187 Ha ha

and Lindsey was nothing WITH Stevie.

it's a shame buckingham couldn't do the magic for his solo music that he supposedly did for the mac's music

Part of the magic of FM is that Stevie and Christine were always there to balance out Lindsey's songs, which can start to get a little tense and crazy and manic. But nothing Stevie or Christine did on their own is as majestic as "Sara" or "You Make Loving Fun" or "Rhiannon" or "Hold Me." They were a true band in that sense, like the Beatles. They all complemented each other perfectly, even if they didn't get along.

R188, she's been dropping his name a lot lately. I think she has a crush on him.

R196, that was the same wife. Mick married Jenny Boyd (sister of Patti Boyd, who married George Harrison and later, Eric Clapton). Jenny slept with Weston. (Mick himself is reported to be a womanizer, so good for Jenny forgetting herself some.) Weston was fired because of the affair, and Mick and Jenny divorced shortly thereafter.

In 1977, Mick and Jenny decided to give it another shot, and they remarried. Shortly after, he began sleeping with Stevie Nicks (who had already broken up with Lindsey by then.)

Mick and Jenny divorced again. Mick continued to sleep with Stevie. But then, he also then began sleeping with Stevie's best friend, Sara, whom he eventually married.

In his (first) biography, Mick told a story about how a fan began sending him letters and photos of herself. (The photos showed her as a very young and pretty model.) Based on her photos and letters, Mick fell in love with her, and he was ready to leave his wife Sara to be with her. Until... it was revealed that she was not who she had claimed to be. She was actually overweight and had been sending him someone else's photos. (This was before "catfishing" was a thing!") Mick decided to stay with his wife after all. In his book, he disparaged her for being so dishonest. (Even though he was going to dump his wife for what he thought was a younger, prettier model.)

Then, of course, there are the people associated with the band who had to sue Mick to get the money that was owed to him.

What a scumbag!

I don’t understand Lindsey’s look these days.

All the bronzer... the dreadful hair... the skinny jeans on a too-skinny 71-year-old man.

He needs to drop the bronzer and throw a few low lights in his hair immediately.

No shoe polish dye jobs— just a few low lights to go salt and pepper.

And maybe a hot oil treatment. (He’ll like that, he’s very 80s.)

Fun fact: before Lindsey was invited to join Fleetwood Mac he was recruited to tour with Don Everly of The Everly Brothers to play guitar and sing Phil Everly's parts. Even then Lindsey was regarded as a musician's musician.

Yeah, R159 is definitely full of shit. I’ve seen Stevie on her last two solo tours. Easily half of her audience was girls under 30 and gay men under 40.

Stevie has a much bigger gay fanbase than a lot of 'gay icons'.

R205 yup. She’s loved by young people. I just saw a tweet from a teen saying “why do white girls always say their spirit animal is Stevie Nicks?” Lol

I have a lot of solo stuff from both of them in my iTunes. All the Stevie stuff is unclicked. Except for "Sara" and "Gold Dust Woman," she never made much of an impression.

[italic]Go Insane[/italic] and [italic]Out of the Cradle[/italic] OTOH, are albums I've listened to hundreds of times. I've had [italic]Go Insane[/italic] in all three formats. Lindsey's two-song tribute to Dennis Wilson is one of my favorite musical passages of all time.

Stevie has..."Sara."

R208 you’re in the minority

Oh, how that bothers me, r209.

You can't control how people react to or interpret music...for fucks sake

Some of Lindsey’s solo stuff is too weird. Some of the other band members’ solo stuff is too flat and bland. It’s true they probably balance each other out.

I still say it’s fascinating when a guy who has everything turns out to be so awkward and troubled. These days he’d probably turn out to be a douche bro hedge funder.

R212, perhaps Lindsey has a mild case of Aspergers. It takes hours of isolation to master a musical instrument. It's the perfect excuse for hiding away from the world.

After he got famous, his studio colleagues had to coax him to go out for drinks with them. Maybe he's socially awkward and finds it difficult to talk about anything other than music. A lot of people, who don't understand that type of personality, read the behavior as "rude" or "aloof".

"and Lindsey was nothing WITH Stevie."

Hahaha, you're an idiot! He was instrumental in making her songs sound better. She needed HIM. WIthout him, she was nothing. As for her solo career, well, she sucked the dicks of other musicians in order to make her shit sound better.Tom Petty, Don Henley, Jimmy Iovine...she sucked their dicks because she needed the help of more talented musicians in order to have a successful solo career. Stevie really is a manipulative whore.

[R214] She also "dated" Paul Fishkin, who founded a record label (Modern) almost exclusively devoted to her solo works under the Atlantic umbrella, then she moved on to Jimmy Iovine, the producer of her first 3 solo records (he left before ROCK A LITTLE was finished because he couldn't handle her drug use anymore). She then fucked Rupert Hine, producer of The Other Side of the Mirror, one in a looong line of married men. She has a special fondness for screwing married men and has contributed to the breakup of many marriages and relationships. Stevie is very lucky for the cozy relationship with the press she currently enjoys because she might easily have been pilloried for her behavior.

Poor Tom Petty. Stevie Nicks was constantly pursuing him. He once stated "she insists on being in my life." An interviewer asked him if he and Nicks had ever been "a couple" and he said no. The interviewer said it sure sounded like they were a couple. And Petty cryptically replied. "we had our times." I bet they did.

Stevie was def coked out here, but boy were her live vocals gorgeous and pure! Wow. She could sing!

Lets not forget who got them their first #1 single... it certainly was not Lindsey

[R218] That's arguable since he arranged it, produced it and played on it.

"Many years later, Christine McVie credited Buckingham for being especially instrumental in taking Nicks’ stripped-down demo and turning it into something magical. “The Lindsey genius came into play and he fashioned three sections out of identical chords, making each section sound completely different,” she told Blender."

Still Stevie’s song

It's a miracle the FM members are all still alive, given the massive mountains of coke they did for how many years. It was staggering.

Lindsey collapse in the shower and almost died in 77-78 he claimed that he was later dianose with mild epilepsy but something tells me he had an overdose...

[R220] Still trying.

The are also ridiculous stories that Lindsey was "jealous" that Gypsy became a huge hit from Mirage - if Lindsey hated Stevie and was so jealous of her, why would he have done for GYPSY what he did? This is an early version of the song with Tom Petty - it sucks.

R224 he really didn’t do that much to it. It sounds almost identical. Only difference is some of the usage of instruments etc. but the arrangement and sequence are the same.

[R225] That sounds "identical" to you? You are either deaf, dishonest or both.

[R225] You SUCK so hard.

The Buckingham stan is that PoisonedDragon nut.

[R228] Fuck you.

Great documentary 'recreation'

Lindsey comes off as such a prissy little bitch, in like every scene.

That was a revelation for me, cuz I always thought he be more masculine.

Holy Jesus! Don't know much about Buckingham outside Mac.

Went to youtube and found this.

This is as bad as that Billy Squier fiasco Rock Me Tonight that 'ended' his career.

ffs he's actually anti-sexy in it

^ is that evidence of the magical producing he's supposedly capable of?

R215 And Grace Slick fucked anyone who couldn't out run her, and Janis wanted to fuck everyone but no one wanted to stick their dick in her, Linda Rondstadt was a maneater THEIR ROCK STARS!

What about the men? But SURE Stevie might have been pilloried for her behavior.

I don’t have any problem at all with Stevie getting as much dick as possible.

But I do kinda wonder how she and Lindsey were ever a thing. He seems so shy and awkward.

I realize I will go to hell for this, but it makes me giggle to think of Lindsey lopping off his curly locks in the shower with manicure scissors...

I love this thread

and don't forget what a slut Joni Mitchell was lol

“We were never married, but we might as well have been. Some couples get divorced after 40 years. They break their kids' hearts and destroy everyone around them because it's just hard. This is sad for me, but I want the next 10 years of my life to be really fun and happy”

R234 He wasn't shy when he was kicking Stevie on stage in New Zealand resulting in being chased backstage and slapped across the face by Christine, or strangling Stevie in a parking lot where John McVie pulls him off her and threatens to kill him if he ever touches her again, or beating up his Stevie replacement Carol Ann Harris for the tenure of their relationship.

Awkward, maybe.

Joni Mitchell's pussy had a sign hanging on it that said "fill 'er up" for more than two decades. She was a cock-hungry skank and then had the nerve to criticize Janis and Grace for doing exactly the same thing. At least Grace was very pretty in her youth.

r238 imagine someone doing that today. They'd be cancelled in two minutes.

Marry me R239!

In Grace's autobio she says she saw Joni in a Malibu restaurant and avoided the table because she didn't feel like a sitting through a lecture.

Love me some Grace

Grace Slick is fucking hilarious. She did a lengthy podcast interview last year and she was exactly the same as she's always been. Very wise woman, totally down to earth.

Buckingham didn't MAKE Gypsy great.

that VIDEO made Gypsy great

(it helps that the melody is already great)

^

i forgot something

R242 Yes, I always thought if Grace hadn't been a rock star, she would have been a comedian.

she is naturally, deadpan funny.

I love that Nicks got as much as dick as she could (and she wanted). Why should the boys have all the fun? She was just as talented - probably even more - and didn't need to fuck for tracks or for fame.

I still think Silver Springs, Sara and Gypsy are the three best songs in the Fleetwood Mac canon. I always go back to them, particularly Sara.

I think major resentment of Stevie from Lindsey started in 1981.

She released Bella Donna. He released Law and Order.

Bella Donna went to number one and had four substantial singles that hit #3, #6, #11, #32. - certified quadruple-platinum

Law and Order went to 32. two singles #9, #110 (ouch), - not certified 300,000 sales (OUCH)

I don't care who you are, that's gonna hurt.

Then factor in the fact it's your ex-lover, current band member with whom you've always competed, and MTV makes her an icon for the ages with her next album's singles, and you already have a huge ego... AND BOOM:

major Bitter Betty.

My dad is the most painfully shy person you’ll ever meet. He was also pretty violent in his younger days. Those things aren’t mutually exclusive at all.

Stevie knew how to work a crowd and a camera: she's charming and comes across as a natural in her music videos and TV appearances.

Buckingham is a good-looking guy but terribly uneasy in front of a camera, at least in his solo appearances (when he doesn't appear either coked out or on the verge of a breakdown). I can't help but think this impacted his solo recording career, particularly as MTV exploded and it became more and more of a visual medium. And yes, there's something a little "soft" and tentative about him on camera.

"I don’t have any problem at all with Stevie getting as much dick as possible."

Who cares how much dick she got? But the thing about Nicks was that the dick she always went after always belonged to someone who could help her career. She fucked guys in order to get them to help her make hit records. Without more talented musicians helping her along her career would have gone nowhere.

I had no idea who the individual members were until [italic]Tusk[/italic] came out in 1979. I wasn't familiar with the original group, so I had no idea this lineup was something different.

Though I played the shit out of [italic]Rumours[/italic] for the two years before that, it was mostly to hear "Go Your Own Way" and "Gold Dust Woman." l had no idea as to the autobiography-in-music I was hearing. I didn't read as much about musicians then. I subscribed to Rolling Stone, and that was about it. I found out about the Stevie/Lindsey relationship from a couple of friends from LA who kept up on things as if it were their civic responsibility as westsiders.

Though I didn't like it much at first, [italic]Tusk[/italic] grew to become my favorite FM album, at least partly because of Lindsey, whose creative efforts I find infinitely more satisfying than Stevie's.

Being sexually compulsive due to cocaine addiction is hardly a situation to celebrate.

Why not?!

“She dated a young waiter in the 1990s-“One day, he came home and said, ‘I got two tickets for Bill Maher, will you go with me?’ and I’m like, ‘Are you insane? No. I’m not going. I’m famous! I’m Stevie Nicks! Everybody’s gonna spend the whole time taking pictures of us. And I can’t keep on making excuses about why you can’t go anywhere I can go. Like, can I take you to the Grammys? No. Can I go to the market with you? No. Can we go to a movie together in downtown Santa Monica? No. All we can do is stay in.’”

[R255] I remember reading that and thinking that while she's to be applauded for her honesty she's also to be pitied for the limitations she places on herself. If I were on the receiving end of that message I'd tell her to go fuck herself. She's a colossal snob.

Lindsey didn’t contribute nearly as much as some of you claim.

I love her, but I despise her bangs! They are very upsetting.

Lindsey is one of the few men who actually look better with a beard (Kristofferson too).

The solo "Buckingham Nicks" is really great and indeed was a bomb upon release -- except, fun fact, in Birmingham, Alabama, oddly enough. Where I lived summers when I was in college. They could not open an envelope anywhere else but would sell out big arenas in B'ham.

P.S. Newbie OP, listen to her work on (hot) Walter Egan's first couple of albums too. She's on almost every track on his first one.

Boy, I'd love to make my ex play guitar--he couldn't, all he can do is cheat and lie--while I sang songs in public about his antics. You go, Stevie!

R255, no, just no. She's short, huge head, bad 80s hair, dances like a toddler, and her song is meh. Zeitgeist star again, just happened to capture a moment.

[R257] Crazy Stevie-stan troll. You don't know what you're talking about.

R263 only you arent the one who knows what he speaks of. And you keep defending a woman beater

[R264] Oh, please. What a pussy.

[R264] How brave you are - a "woman beater!" Your post took such courage (bleh!).

Lmao he literally was.

[R263] So by your calculation Ronnie Spector wrote and produced her own hits (she didn't) because Phil Spector beat her? Make a lot of sense.

Lindsey has never been arrested for domestic violence or an assault charge so whatever problems he had in controlling his temper under the influence of cocaine couldn't have been that extreme. I know some gay men identify with female "victims" more than they identify with actual men, but other gay men are capable of identifying with men, their mentality and their problems.

R258, That can be corrected with my trusty manicure scissors.

Famous people go out in public all the time in NY and LA and don't get bothered. Just look at DL and all the encounters people have had with big stars at the theater, in grocery stores etc. They can go and do all the normal things like anyone else if they want to.

R271 most of them are made up.

If you live in NY and LA you see famous people out and about all the time. Stevie Nicks could easily go out if she wanted to.

You see them here and there. Not all the time

Stevie’s Bella Donna still holds up well. It’s a good album.

Ironically her later albums sound more dated than her first one

At the time, I loved “Rock a Little.” But now, I realize its pretty awful.

R276 yeah, that one sounds incredibly dated.

It’s interesting how her first album holds up well but each one that followed in the 80s sounds older and more dated than the previous one...

24 Karat Gold is her best since The Wild Heart

[quote]It’s interesting how her first album holds up well but each one that followed in the 80s sounds older and more dated than the previous one...

That happened to a lot of artists back then. As the 80s went on, the music became very much of its time and sounds very dated now. All the synths and drum machines etc.

Chicago is a great example. Their 70s music still sounds great, but their 80s stuff sounds awful today.

R279 100%. Queen also. Some of their 80s stuff is great but by mid 80s their music sounded different and not as good

Yes, Queen too. Unfortunately. The second half of the 80s just had too many studio gimmicks and the songs tended to be overproduced. It happened to so many artists. Lots of music from those years just sounds so inferior to their earlier output.

My 80s music always sounded amazing!

Everybody seems to forget the time John in a drunken raged chased Christine with a butcher knife and that stevie threw a chair to Christine.

Why would Stevie throw a chair TO Christine? I’m confused!

Is Christine the most innocent of all of them?

I would love to have been around in 1979 to see the reaction to Tusk. I really like it as an album but it's not as accessible as Rumours. However, I adore Sara. What a song.

There are also accounts of Stevie jumping on Lindsey and trying to choke him out when he quit the band the first time. Doesn’t excuse anything, but they all seem pretty badly behaved.

How does Stevie as a songwriter stack up against Kate Bush?

I really enjoy a lot of Stevie's work, R287, but strictly as a songwriter, Kate Bush is a class unto herself.

At the least, I'd put her in the pantheon along with Joni Mitchell and Laura Nyro. There are wonderful women songwriters, and then there are artists for the ages. Kate Bush is the latter.

“Trouble” is a really simple song in structure and lyrics. The guitar solo is the star of the song.

But it’s really quite haunting. That and “Big Love” are probably my favorite Lindsey songs. (Yes, “BIg Love” is technically FM but it’s all Lindsey.)

It’s not all Lindsey

Kate Bush was always very niche in America, and nobody under 40 knows who she is. Not to say she isn't a great talent, but she was just very niche.

And Joni Mitchell had 1, possibly 2 songs that ever broke the top 10. And Laura Nyro's songs were generally bigger hits when covered by other singers/bands.

It doesn't negate their songwriting genius at all. Mitchell, Nyro, and Bush are songwriters that other songwriters look to.

Lindsey wrote, produced, did all vocals, and played almost all instruments on “Big Love.”

He originally wrote it to be included in his third solo album.

How is it not his song?

You keep claiming Lindsey produced every song...

[quote]And Joni Mitchell had 1, possibly 2 songs that ever broke the top 10.

It's hard to believe people were still considering "singles" as the essential measure of a performer's worth after, say, 1968.

Where are the roadies? I’m waiting!

There was a delicious rumor that because her nose was so destroyed from snorting coke Stevie Nicks had an assistant blow coke up her ass with a straw. I believe it.

[R297] I tend to believe it too, since she got word of the dangerous state of her nose from a doctor while on tour in support of ROCK A LITTLE. She felt she couldn't cancel the tour and she was too scared to snort coke any more (risk of brain hemorrhage and death), so it makes sense.

Stevie's very lucky. Not only did she not OD, but she's now in her early 70s and hasn't had any lingering effects from the coke. Many heavy coke users who quit end up having heart problems or GI tract cancers years later.

[R299] This appears to be true on the surface but she might have problems she hides. But yeah - she seems in pretty good health overall. People have speculated that Linda Ronstadt's current condition is related to her past cocaine use - but I'm not in a position to say I believe it or not.

Stevie just went to the eye doctor....

Where is the mansion they filmed “Big Love” in?

That poor optometrist. Do they know how Stevie kicked that poor woman in the cunt bone?

Does she have bee vision now?

Did Nicks write an autobiography where she listed all of the cocks she sucked? I'm curious as to how you all know exactly who she sucked off and when. Or is it mostly assumptions based on despising her?

I mean, if I ever become famous and write an autobiography, I would devote some pages to who I went down on, lol, so if she did then I need to get a copy of her book!

Joni Mitchell vs. Stevie Nicks: Who was the 70s biggest cum dumpster?

Linda was a coke addict??

Rare interview with the lovely Stevie Nicks, 1978

They really need to do an all-encompassing documentary about Fleetwood Mac. I'm sure it would win the Best Documentary Feature Oscar.

There's just SO much story.

R309 as long as that jackass Lindsay, or Lindsey, whatever the hell his name is, is exposed for being envious of my solo success. If you only knew!

R303. The vagina bone story was never that funny! It’s repetition is most annoying!

R311 Maybe to you, but you do not speak for the rest of us.

I agree with r311. It was never funny. It's lame. Just like the ongoing M & G feud which is painfully unfunny and won't die.

That M and G shit has never been funny.

[quote]You keep claiming Lindsey produced every song...

Well he produced every song on “Tango in the Night.” Look at the back of the record.

Lindsey was essentially the producer on all the albums he made with them, though he wasn’t credited as such until “Mirage.” Richard Dashut and Ken Caillat were glorified engineers.

R315 is correct.

“Big Love” was 100% Lindsey’s baby. It’s a great song.

Lindsey did not have producer credit for Rumors but he did help produce and arrange the songs and Ken Caillat hated him because he was a perfectionist, controlling and instense with the way he work in the albums.

R318 he didn’t have nearly as much involvement on Rumours as you keep claiming. Please stop.

I don't care what you say about Lindsey Buckingham, he was HOT in the 80s.

When did Lindsey’s silky, shiny 70s ringlets become that frizzy high and tight monstrosity?

I don’t understand it!

“I write my songs, but Lindsey puts the magic in, and there’s no way . . . well, I could pay him ten percent. I could walk up to him and thank him. If I were to play you a song the way I wrote it and gave it to them, and then play you the way it is on the album, you would see what Lindsey did.”

—Stevie Nicks to Rolling Stone, 1979

She’s being kind r322 trust me

R323, you can't be trusted for shit. You're saying Stevie Nicks is lying? Why would she lie? To be "kind?" Kind to Lindsey Buckingham? She's NEVER had any "kindness" for him and continues to snipe at him in interviews. You poor thing, you just can't face the fact that Buckingham always reworked her songs to make them sound better. Even slutty, druggie Stevie admits it.

Video for Lindsey's "Slow Dancing", featuring a Stevie Nicks lookalike.

I love the song, but that hair is tragic.

His face is tragic.

Stevie isn’t a liar. She was being kind. Many people do it.

R329, Stevie Nicks has NEVER been noted for her "kindness." You just can't face the reality that LIndsay always made her songs sound better. You are one silly twat.

Was I the only diehard fan gayling who rushed out to get "Bella Donna" when it arrived and then was disappointed in it big time? I still think it's her worst save for maybe the "Blue Denim" one. I remember thinking she needed to get down on both knees and blow Lindsey for making her songs sound so good. As is, she sounded majorly Melody Im[paired.

I was happier with "Wild Heart" and especially "Other Side of the Mirror" (song for song, her best). But listen to the lush "Gypsy" and you'll see what Lindsey does to her meandering songs.

R331 ok. You’re reaching now. And stop upvoting yourself.

Bella Donna was a good album.

You can’t sit with a straight face and shit on Bella Donna while praising Lindsey, whose solo work was atrocious

P.S. I knew someone who worked with her on "Rock a Little" and it must have been her peak of cocaine use. They said they had to staple the vocal tracks together -- a sentence here, a syllable there -- because she was such a mess. There are several vocal tracks out there of her on "Talk to Me" in particular.

I also knew Brian Grant who directed her first aborted "Stand Back" video and he HATED her -- for firing him no doubt. "She's about this tall and she wears these ugly huge shoes and she never shuts up, yack yack yack."

R333 I’m sure... I’m sure.

What the fuck is "upvoting", R332? Try to be a little less of a cunt.

Trust me, I don't have to lie about anything as many on DL know -- and 331 was my first post on this topic anyway. You sound "special".

You are lying. Most who come in contact with her say the kindest things about her.

R336, who the hell are you to say that "most who come in contact with her say the kindest things about her?" You have no idea what people who've come in contact with her think about her. But seeing as she's always been a self absorbed, egotistical cokehead I imagine there are a lot of people out there who think she's a cunt.

Stevie is my favorite rockstar. But her best songs are those that were produced by Lindsey. She writes very simple melodies that sound like old country songs. The Rhiannon demo was low-energy and music-boxy until Lindsey added that heavy metal riff in the intro and the verses and then added the blues licks to the solo. Dreams would be dull if it wasn't for the genius dreamy guitar lick where Lindsey rolls his guitar's volume knob back and forth to create a swelling effect after each chorus. Imagine Gypsy without that exotic guitar riff over the intro and chorus, and the sparkling guitar outdo solo.

Her only solo album I like is Bella Donna, and that's mainly because of Leather and Lace. I also like Edge of Seventeen even though the song is too long and the lyrics don't make much sense to me. The rest of her solo stuff is, like the rest of the 80s, too synth-heavy.

So now we have the "Stevie was just being kind" troll and the "Lindsey worked his magic on Stevie's songs" troll.

Lindsey did not produce all those hits solely lmao. I’m sick of that lie.

She's a witch, ya know.

[R333] Your post has the ring of truth to it, especially Stevie's tendency toward logorrhea, which was probably exacerbated by her cocaine use.

I saw the Rock a Little tour in Houston.

Stevie was high as a kite, almost tripped and fell off the stage at one point, but sang the hell out of everything.

STILL one of the BEST concerts I've ever seen.

LOVE the Rock a Little album - Imperial Hotel is one favorite from that great album

I wish those producers that made Stevie's solo songs sound so good would have worked on Lindsey's solo songs.

[R345] Dumb bitch doesn't give up. Your terrible musical taste is showing again.

Another great Lindsey solo song - THE RIGHT PLACE TO FADE from Gift of Screws (2008).

And another great Lindsey solo song - STARS ARE CRAZY from Seeds We Sow (2011)....

My favorite non-Lindsey produced Stevie songs:

Blue Lamp

Stand Back

Violet and Blue

Belladonna

Long Way To Go

Sleeping Angel

Edge of Seventeen

I Can’t Wait

If I Were You

Whenever I Call You Friend

Outside The Rain

If Anyone Falls

Wild Heart

[R349] It seems you like Jimmy Iovine's touch on Stevie songs because all but 2 on this list (Long Way to Go, Whenever I Call You Friend) were produced by him.

She works well with Dave Stewart

I've also wondered why Lindsey's skills with Stevie's songs and the other FM songs were so good but when it came to his solo stuff it was mostly utter shit.

[R352] Have you listened to the Lindsey songs posted above? Would you describe then as "shit?" Which "shit" songs are you referring to? Be specific, please. His solo catalog is spectacular.

R352 not R349 but I just listened to Stars are Crazy and it sounds like a Mirage reject. Not impressed.

different strokes for different folks

^ sorry that was for R353

[quote]Have you listened to the Lindsey songs posted above?

Yes.

[quote] Would you describe then as "shit?"

Yes.

[quote]Which "shit" songs are you referring to? Be specific, please.

All of them except that "Trouble" song. That one is ok.

[quote] His solo catalog is spectacular.

It's mostly crap. Not at all in the same caliber as the FM stuff or Stevie's solo stuff. But his coked-out videos and live performances are pretty funny.

R356 is correct

[quote]I've also wondered why Lindsey's skills with Stevie's songs and the other FM songs were so good but when it came to his solo stuff it was mostly utter shit.

There are many talented people who can't critique their own work.

R356 is a fucking idiot. Buckingham was always the accomplished musician not Stevie Nicks.

" But his coked-out videos and live performances are pretty funny."

I'd say Stevie Nicks' coked out videos and live performances are pretty funny. Many is the time the stage crew had to hover over to keep her from falling off the stage. And that twirling around in six inch heels in chiffon dresses with a shawl spread out to make it look like she has butterfly wings....too funny!

By this point is obvious that the anti-Lindsey troll (or tolls) are just trying to either get a rise or have atrocious taste in music.

I don't remember Stevie being obviously coked out in any of her videos. She was apparently able to clean up for five minutes while they shot those. And her solo stuff is miles above Lindsey's. Stand Back, Leather and Lace, Stop Dragging My Heart Around are just a few that are outstanding. Rooms On Fire is a lesser-known solo song, but that one has always been one of my favorites.

[R362] No she didn't "clean up" for her videos and she's said so herself - particularly in her commentary on the video for I CAN'T WAIT - clearly coked out.

Can't really tell with Stevie. Lindsey was twitchy and bug eyed AF. It was hilarious.

[R362] She also attempted to clean herself up at the time of the Gypsy video but the stress of the shoot was too much for her and she started using again. Who knows what she might have accomplished if she'd cleaned herself up in 1982, at the peak of her success, as opposed to 1986, by which time her professional decline had started. And then there was Klonopin....

Yeah, Stevie lost a lot of time and career momentum with the Klonopin years. By the time she cleaned up she was well into her forties and was too old to get back to being a huge pop star, the time had passed.

From Wikipedia:

Nicks says that she did drugs on the set of all her videos of the era, however, regarding the video for "I Can't Wait" she said in I Want My MTV:[9]

"I look at that video, I look at my eyes, and I say to myself, 'Could you have laid off the pot, the coke and the tequila for three days, so you could have looked a little better? It just makes me want to go back into that video and stab myself."

She didn't really look it though. Lindsey was jacked AF in the clips posted here.

[R368] If she were dead in her casket you'd think she looked like she was going to the prom.

No, I would think she looked fucking dead.

Sorry, but Stevie couldn't have gotten her "Queen of Rock" title without Jimmy Iovine. Her Fleetwood Mac songs were just too soft.

One of Stevie's more rocking FM songs, the Lindsey-produced "Straight Back", just plods along.

"Sisters of the Moon" just misses the mark; it's *much* better live.

R373, My FAVORITE version of Sisters is that live show from the Mirage Tour. The one that was officially released. Amazing. Stevie was never known for her perfect vocals (and even in that show- they are all over the map- Gypsy is a fucking atrocity) However that version of Sisters Of The Moon is PERFECT.

Here it is. And the band is awesome as well.

I've spent this week reading a bunch of the hottest unproduced scripts in Hollywood right now, and I'll have you know that a biopic on Buckingham and Nicks is on the top 20 better voted scripts. Chances are it will get produced. Its working title is Rumours.

Of DL interest as well, there's a very funny biopic script called Doll Wars on the Barbie x Bratz copyright war focusing on the female lawyers that represented the Bratz creator and their own personal messy lives. Really good script.

Sadly the number one script is some stupid straight romcom sci-fi/fantasy about a guy reconciling with his ex girlfriend with whom he was supposed to get married as everyone in the world freezes leaving them by themselves to solve their relationship. Lame, predictable, boring and its popularity baffles me. It's Shaun of the Dead without the zombies, the wit or the charm. It has one stupid twist in the end that would work well as a Black Mirror episode, man this show has really contaminated people's imagination to the detriment of good storytelling.

Anyway I'm done venting.

I forgot to post the logline, so here it goes:

Rumours, written by Tyler Austin and Patrick Eme - In 1970s LA, Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham, two struggling musicians and lovers, join a band called Fleetwood Mac and are thrown into a whirlwind of worldwide fame, infamous drug addiction, and one of the best-selling albums of all time -- which also happens to be about the disintegration of their relationship.

There definitely needs to be a documentary and/or biopic about Fleetwood Mac. It could be as successful as Bohemian Rhapsody.

BTW, I think Stevie was able to pull it together for her videos. She was one of those artists who was popular in the '70s who was able to make the successful transition to video star. Not everyone could do that.

She looks gorgeous in the Gypsy video.

LB can ONLY be played by Bradley Cooper!

[quote]LB can ONLY be played by Bradley Cooper!

Bradley Cooper is 45 years old. Are they going to get Meryl Streep to play Stevie Nicks?

[quote]I've spent this week reading a bunch of the hottest unproduced scripts in Hollywood right now

R376, I'd love to hear more. Is this part of your employment? Or are you a screenwriter? Or a movie fan?

You should start a thread on this topic.

Yes, R381, it's part of my job, I work in development. I've talked about my job here before just to be mocked as a coffee/gopher person, but I've shared a bit about the gossip I know, including about bitchy Beyoncé, but I was called a racist for daring to call a spade a spade. There's a screenwriter here too, he's posting on the Oscars New Inclusion Rule thread. He has great knowledge of what's really behind that.

I would love to see a Buckingham/Nicks biopic, provided 1) they got some actual star power to play those two, 2) got a real script, not made-for-TV crap, and 3) actually got rights to their music catalogue, because otherwise, why bother?

I don't usually love jukebox musicals, but I could definitely see this project as a stage musical instead.

Here's a sneak peak of the first page. There's a cover page of a black and white picture of them on stage. *For educational purposes only.

OVER BLACK We hear snatches of pop hooks and blues riffs over layers of static.

FADE IN: INT. STEVIE/LINDSEY’S BEDROOMS - NIGHT - SPLITSCREEN (THE FOLLOWING TAKES PLACE IN SPLITSCREEN)

Two radio dials. Two hands, female and male, scanning for the right tune.

They find exactly what they’re looking for at the exact same time.

The haunted folk-pop of “California Dreamin’” by The Mamas and the Papas rings out clear as a bell.

PULL BACK TO REVEAL:

Left side of the screen, STEVIE NICKS (17), a sandy blonde with apple-cheeks, gives herself a once over in the mirror then smirks. For someone so young, that smirk is extraordinarily self-possessed. Or, maybe, just possessed. The truth lies somewhere in between, but she loves to keep you guessing.

Right side of the screen, LINDSEY BUCKINGHAM, (16), tight curly mop of hair and intense eyes, does a shoulder roll in his mirror, then exhales to relax himself. He’s wound tighter than his guitar strings. That’s impressive, considering he tunes it to perfection, at least twice a day.

Left side: Stevie lip syncs along to the song with more enthusiasm than accuracy, as she fastens a gold cross necklace that comes to rest over her conservatively buttoned- up blouse.

Right side: Lindsey air guitars along with Flip Sloan’s picking on the radio. His strumming is 110%-oh-my-God-is-this- all-he-ever-does faithful.

INT. STEVIE/LINDSEY’S LIVING ROOMS - MOMENTS LATER - SPLITSCREEN Left side: Stevie bounds downstairs into the room, as her parents, JESS (40) and BARBARA (38) stare mindlessly at a broadcast of Hogan’s Heroes.

STEVIE I’m going to Young Life.

BARBARA (without looking up) Young Life?

STEVIE The gathering in the church basement. Be back by 11!

JESS (also not looking) 10.

Stevie’s out the door, pretending not to have heard.

Right side: Lindsey creeps down the stairs to find his parents, MORRIS (47) and RUTH (45) distracted. His mother is on the phone chattering on about some country club nonsense, while his father joylessly reads The Carpetbaggers.

LINDSEY I’m going out.

Morris shrugs, Ruth gives him nothing.

Lindsey goes to the front door, passing by shelves displaying trophy after trophy all with the name: “GREG BUCKINGHAM”

EXT. SUBURBAN STREETS - MOMENTS LATER - SPLITSCREEN

Right side: Lindsey grabs a leather jacket out of the bushes that line his porch. He drapes himself in the icon of borrowed cool, then untucks his shirt. His confidence is almost enough to make these choices work. He continues on towards First Presbyterian.

Left side: Stevie struts along the sidewalk with a purpose towards ROBIN SNYDER (17). Robin is a ride or die, seven days a week, talk til the sun comes up kind of best friend.

Robin, whose wavy auburn locks go all the way down her back, sits at the end of her driveway facing away from Stevie. She fiddles with something in her lap.

Stevie tip-toes up behind and jumps on her.

The two scream and laugh together for a moment. Robin holds up her project, a crescent moon necklace.

It sounds like the writer(s) did their homework.

I'd be curious if it stays with them as teens, or shuttles back and forth in time. And where do you end the story?

Can you spill on Beyonce and others you've had contact with? I haven't seen your previous posts in other threads.

I like that excerpt. I do wonder where they would end it, too? The Dance era? But the firing kind of leaves everything in flux so I wonder to reflect that it should end on a period where they are estranged? Not exactly uplifting but more realistic.

I would open with a scene of Lindsey watching coverage of his being fired from FM IN 2018.

Then immediately cut to him on the phone in 1976 telling Mick Fleetwood, “Stevie snd I are a package deal.”

Ok, here's the very last two pages. *For educational purposes only:

STEVIE (CONT’D) (pitching) “Back to the floor that I love/To a room with some lace and paper flowers/Back to the gypsy that I was...” (beat) OK, then, what?

Lindsey nods along.

LINDSEY Is the “gypsy” you?

STEVIE (scoffs) I’m writing in character.

LINDSEY That’s fine, but this character sounds a lot like you, so it all comes down to you...

STEVIE That’s not bad.

Stevie puts lead to paper.

LINDSEY You had the thing about lightning.

STEVIE Yeah?

LINDSEY (singing) “It lights up the night/And you see your gypsy...”

STEVIE Did you just change perspective?

Lindsey replays the moment in his mind.

LINDSEY Stevie Nicks does it all the time.

Stevie gives him a wry smirk.

STEVIE You want to be Stevie Nicks? Keep playing guitar.

Lindsey smirks in return.

LINDSEY Let my fingers rest.

Lindsey puts down his guitar, and makes his way to a radio. He scans the dial for any signs of life.

Through the static, the iconic opening chords of “Rhiannon” come through.

He rolls his eyes, and is about to change it when:

STEVIE No! Keep it on.

Lindsey does as he’s told.

STEVIE (CONT’D) Can you believe how excited we were when this got play in El Paso?

LINDSEY Yeah, and now seven years later, it’s on the airwaves in France. (beat; distracted) Still, I always hated this mix.

STEVIE Oh, give it a rest.

LINDSEY Should’ve kept the bridge. The bridge is why it always kills harder on the road.

STEVIE (re: the luxurious studio) I think it worked out fine.

There’s a tense beat as each consider their next words carefully.

LINDSEY STEVIE (CONT'D) “Tusk” charted higher... “Rhiannon” didn’t cost...

We PULL back on another patented Stevie and Lindsey quarrel. Playing and fighting.

Fighting and playing.

From Palo Alto to Paris, this is how they’ll always be...

FADE OUT.

THE END

I wonder if the same actors will be playing them as adults in 1983 and as teens in the 60s. Hmmm.

There is a book called “Daisy Jones and The Six”that is inspired by Stevie Nicks , Lindsey Buckingham and the FM experience. There is a miniseries set to releases in Amazon and casting is underway.

[quote]Here's a sneak peak of the first page.

The splitscreen is too long. Cut the LB action and focus the opening sequence on Stevie.

This is not my script, but it's not overlong, it has perfect pace for an intro of 1 1/2 pages.

Oy! I can’t believe people think that dreadful script is real!

Lindsey Buckingham Palace is my new drag name.

[R389] I take it that you're referring to the Black List? I read a Buckingham/Nicks script last year that was also very predictably titled (GO YOUR OWN WAY). Very mediocre and filled with inaccuracies.

Was half- listening to The Killers’ new album and some songs reminded me of a more commercial Lindsey.

[397] Maybe because Lindsey plays guitar on their new hit Caution? It’s a great song and Lindsey contributes a stellar solo/outro.

I didn’t know that r398! Thanks for that. I kind of assumed I’d get heckled for my comment at 397.

[R397] Sure thing - and what a perceptive ear you have! Lindsey definitely has his own sound.

Thank you r400. I have always felt a connection to Lindsey’s music, so I’m happy to have stumbled across this new song (with your help).

I would have loved to be a fly on the wall when Lindsey (privileged, mercurial nice Jewish boy from Palo Alto) was collaborating with closeted Mormon, hardscrabble Brandon from Las Vegas.

Lindsey is not Jewish. WTF kind of name do you think "Buckingham" is?

[R403] Meet the “Lindsey Buckingham is Jewish” troll. Lindsey IS NOT Jewish.

Lindsey is WASP.

People talking about US hits from 40 years ago as a measure of both popularity and influence is pointless. Steve Miller had hits but no one listens to The Steve Miller band anymore. Stevie will always be known for her Fleetwood Mac material over her solo material. People go to her shows expecting to hear Fleetwood Mac songs and to watch her twirl. A cursory look at Spotify reveals that of the top 10 most played Fleetwood Mac songs 3 are Christine, 4 are Stevie, 2 are Lindsey, and 1 is credited to the whole band but is mainly a Lindsey studio Frankenstein cut-and-paste. "The Chain" and "Never Going Back Again" weren't even singles and they're among the most played songs. And since when did hits or popularity become an indication of artistic greatness? Some of the same people who bring up all of Stevie's solo hits also cite "Sara" as one of her best songs and that was a commercial dud. So which is it? And if we’re gonna keep count, of the Rumours era Fleetwood Mac’s 4 top 10 hits in the UK, 3 were Lindsey songs. And Lindsey’s song “Trouble” was a top 10 hit in Australia, something Fleetwood Mac or Stevie never managed to do. Maybe the Anglos liked that he was named Buckingham? I don’t know but Stevie solo was mainly an American phenomenon and America is not the world. Christine and Lindsey’s Tango songs get a lot more love in Europe than all of Stevie’s songs, period.

Musical taste is subjective, but I find Stevie's solo material pretty forgettable(Stand Back) and downright terrible(Leather & Lace, but mostly due to Don Henley). Bitchy New York critics agreed. Her albums were never critically acclaimed. Stevie stans tend to oversell Belladonna like it's an artistic achievement on the level of Kate Bush's "Hounds of Love" but it's not an album that has stood the test of time, except in the minds of Stevie stans. It might have broken new ground had it been released in 1976 but in the post Blondie and Grace Jones era it seemed safe and dare I say catering to white middle America. I actually prefer Rock a Little for the sheer ‘80s insanity of it. I once heard someone describe "Edge of 17" as "Eye of the Tiger" but instead of 100% sh*tty it's only 75% sh*tty.

That said, her work with Fleetwood Mac is eternal. Particularly her songs on Tusk are excellent, and Tusk was considered a commercial flop. The general public cannot distinguish between vocal performance, melody writing, instrumental arrangement, and production. The average music fan thinks it's all the same thing. This is Lindsey’s problem. Post Rumours he only really sounded good dueting with Christine. His voice is unremarkable and audiences identify more with vocalists than instrumentalists. Audiences will show up to see Guns N’ Roses without Slash but not Guns N’ Roses without Axl. Dolores O'Riordan did a vocal cover of “Go Your Own Way” and it blew the original version out of the water. It didn’t help that many of the songs on his first solo album are properly bonkers. There was no way “Bwana” was ever going to be a big hit.

Of course Steve wrote the repeating Fmajor Gmajor chords that make up Dreams in 10 minutes. That song would not exist without Stevie, sure, but it's a good example of arrangement and production turning almost nothing into something. The magic of this song has never been captured live. It’s classic appeal is very much so down to studio wizardry. People get caught up on who wrote what but don't understand is that the sum was greater than the parts. That goes for Lindsey, Christine and Stevie. But Stevie had the beauty, charisma, and voice and in America those things matter more than pure musical talent. Christine, as much as I love her, was never going to be a star. She’s too wooden and sarcastic for American audiences. Lindsey seems to be on the autistic spectrum and has trouble(pun intended) emotionally connecting with an audience. This is not a slight against Stevie, I think she is vocally talented, but her whole aura and mysticism gave her a huge edge over Lindsey and Christine in the schlocky fame game.

cont,. from 406

Consider the “Wild Heart” video that Stevie stans just love to gush their juices over. It features Stevie backstage singing the lyrics to “Wild Heart” to Lindsey's instrumental to "Can't Go Back". Her fans are absolutely begging for his version of the song. This is the essence of the Stevie/Lindsey dynamic. She's the better performer, lyricist and singer. He's the better instrumentalist, producer, technician, and melody writer/song structurer. Christine was the best all around singer/songwriter but she lacked the drama of Nicks and the edge of Lindsey. I've become weary of the Buckingham/Nicks relationship story and have come to admire Christine for being the most consistent songwriter and stable personality in that era of the band. For the curious check out the original Peter Green era. “Man of the World” is hauntingly weary. Danny Kirwan's solo work is worth checking out too. Fleetwood Mac has always had top tier guitarists because Mick Fleetwood insisted on it. Before joining Fleetwood Mac Lindsey toured with The Everly Brothers. This experience would make any professional guitarist green with envy. Christine had early success with Chicken Shack. The Peter Green era of Fleetwood Mac is revered by musicians. So Stevie being the end all be all talent to Fleetwood Mac is ridiculous.

I’m not a Stevie/Lindsey/Christine fan, I’m first and foremost a Fleetwood Mac fan. Mick and John are the tightest rhythm section in music. I much prefer them together, but frankly I’m done with Nicks as a person and a performer. Her voice has no range anymore and she has recently made some very self-congratulatory comments about RBG’s death and Covid. She cannot discuss any topic without bringing praise onto herself. She seems very addicted to fame and her relationship with Harry Styles is cringey. She’ll be shuffling around on stage in a witch costume when she’s 90. The Stones need to give it up too.

Also, dragging up abuse claims from 40 years ago is tiring. Was Lindsey an abusive prick? Probably. But so was Ringo, Lennon, Don Henley, John McVie, Peter Green, Bowie, Jimmy Page, Ozzy, and every other dude in the 70s. If Stevie or the band cared about abuse claims then John McVie would have been chucked out years ago and Stevie would have not gotten on a stage to perform “Leather and Lace” with the king of 1970s misogyny at her embarrassingly batty RRHoF induction. I talked to a guy who worked on the Rock a Little tour. He saw Stevie in the midst of a crack breakdown, eye makeup running down her face, beating a guy on the chest with both fists. There are rumours about her throwing chairs and she claims she attacked Lindsey first in 1987. That doesn’t excuse the claims of him throwing her against a car, but puts them into context of this very troubled band. They're all assholes with egos the size of Texas who made some great music while off their tits on drugs.

[quote]She cannot discuss any topic without bringing praise onto herself. She seems very addicted to fame

Most stars are like that. What else is new?

And Stevie was inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall Of Fame as a solo artist.

Bon Jovi is in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame. It doesn't mean much. Tusk is a great album. Elton John thinks it's one of the top 20 important albums ever made.

I find it funny that Stevie has a really bitchy blonde assistant named Karen.

I find it funny that Stevie has a really bitchy blonde assistant named Karen.

[R411] The same Karen who supposedly schemed with Stevie on the night of the Music Cares show - the night of the fateful "smirk" incident - to deliberately piss Lindsey off by arranging for Rhiannon to play upon the band's entrance as opposed to a "band" song like The Chain. Lindsey went for the bait and made a stink about it - and he was right. Karen is the inner gatekeeper who protects Stevie's bubble world and does the nasty things Stevie can't been seen doing herself.

I'm sorry, I love that!

I think Stevie has borderline personality disorder and she freaked out when Tom Petty died and schemed to get Buckingham removed so she could get closer to Mike Campbell. She is/was obsessed with Tom Petty. Petty was friendly with both Lindsey and Stevie, he even asked Lindsey to join The Heartbreakers and there is no way he would approve of these shenanigans. This is a person who married her dead best friend's husband to get at her baby. I read an interview with Stevie after that last Fleetwood Mc tour and she was positively glowing about Buckingham and had only had nice things to say. Girl you had him fired. These baby boomers are nuts.

Obviously Lindsey had self control issues when younger (and couldn’t handle his drugs), but Stevie seems exhausting.

[quote]These baby boomers are nuts.

They are the most self-involved, self-absorbed and entitled generation ever. We Gen Xers have been rolling our eyes at them our entire lives.

"They are the most self-involved, self-absorbed and entitled generation ever. We Gen Xers have been rolling our eyes at them our entire lives.

Sounds like you're describing yourself, you dumb twat.

Nope, r417. I'm describing Boomers. Of course Boomers are also the most thin-skinned generation and take themselves VERY seriously. They are unable to laugh at themselves like Gen Xers.

R60 Walsh told Howard Stern that Stevie was a "road fuck".

It's actually called "road pussy."

[R419] I'd never heard that before. It figures that delusional Stevie's romanticized "highwayman", aka the "real" love of her life, referred to her so crudely.

R418, you are correct

Stevie dumped Lindsey for Don Henley. Must have killed him that she left him for a real manly cowboy when Lindsey was such an effeminate high strung artiste. Then she started screwing munchkins(Jimmy Iovine), giants(Mick Fleetwood), and trolls(Joe Walsh). Stevie loves her fairy tales.

Linds was tetchy not just because of the coke but because he was taking epilepsy meds 3 times a day and drinking alcohol. That's a big NO. Joe Walsh's stripper ex-girlfriend confirmed that blowing coke up the butt was indeed a common method of consumption in that group.

Wow, R419. She wrote a song for him.

[quote]Linds was tetchy not just because of the coke but because he was taking epilepsy meds 3 times a day and drinking alcohol.

Jesus fuck it's a miracle he's still alive!

By “epilepsy meds” I assume you mean Klonopin.

R412 needs a new obsession

I really struggle to see how people think her solo work comes anywhere close to as good as her work in Fleetwood Mac or on the Buckingham Nick album. To me it sounds like Pat Benetar or Heart, totally forgettable female version of American cock rock. Edge of 17 might be one of the most overrated songs of all time.

[quote]To me it sounds like Pat Benetar or Heart, totally forgettable female version of American cock rock.

Please. Pat Benatar and Heart had some great songs that have stood the test of time.

Has anyone ever given any thought to the fact that he has a girl's name and she has a boy's name?

R431 Ridiculous

I could have been as big as Stevie, but Don Henley didn't want to f*ck me. Also chiffon gives me hives.

No one under the age of 40 even knows Stevie Nicks had a solo career.

No one under the age of 40 even knows Stevie Nicks had a solo career.

They know her solo work more than they know her FM work r435

I can't believe any of them are still alive after all the mountains of coke. John McVie and Mick Fleetwood are seventysomething and they still smoke cigs!

Inevitably on DL there is a troll who assures the rest of the posters that their opinions are irrelevant because they are "old" - this subjective determination always defined by them, even as they refuse to reveal their own real age. Over 400+ posts in on a FM thread, I doubt many "relevant" (by your brainless definition) posters chime in. Very annoying. If nothing else, the Fleetwood Mac story attracts many intelligent, emotionally invested people. 99% of Instagram performers would kill for this.

And, please - the next time someone makes a "no one under 40" claim, or "no one under 50" claim - it really does need to be backed up by research. Name your source or shut the fuck up. There's extensive, all-encompassing market research out there - what the hell do you think Google's been doing with data for decades now? They know what you think and they can predict your behavior with great accuracy.

Overall I'd say that ignorance is a greater hindrance than age.

Fleetwood Mac is a much bigger machine than Stevie Nicks solo. Rumours was listed at #7 in the top 500 albums of all time. Belladonna was no where to be found.

Edge of Seventeen, Stand Back, Stop Draggin, Leather and Lace all still get considerable airplay.

Stop Draggin, Leather and Lace are Stevie whore anthems, therefore vaguely depressing.

Lindsey’s stuff is weird but interesting.

Christine's Tusk material is severely underrated. Nicks constantly remindeds me of a low rent Kate Bush.

[quote]Nicks constantly remindeds me of a low rent Kate Bush.

They're completely different artists.

Not even remotely similar r444!

So did Stevie sleep with multiple guys in the same bands to pit them against each other or what?

[R447] Yes.

These baby boomers have been torturing the public with their mutually toxic codependent love/hate relationship for going on 5 decades. It's crazy.

These baby boomers have been torturing the public with their mutually toxic codependent love/hate relationship for going on 5 decades. It's crazy.

"These baby boomers have been torturing the public with their mutually toxic codependent love/hate relationship for going on 5 decades. It's crazy."

Oh shut up, you asshole. And stop repeating yourself.

Seriously, they're senior citizens with one foot in the grave and they're still carrying on like it's the Seventies. Ridiculous.

Seriously, R452 is a retard. What does a thread about Stevie Nicks and Lindsey Buckingham have to do with baby boomers? What a ridiculous retard.

Sensitive much r453?

She’s not clean r38. She still drinks and smokes pot. You can see her drinking in her documentary. Probably not alcoholic like, but not clean by any means

Alcohol wasn't the drug she had a problem with.

Stevie screwed record exec Paul Fishkin, the guy who gave her a record deal. Then she started fucking Jimmy Iovine, the man who produced Belladonna. Of course she also screwed Tom Petty and Don Henley, who she dueted with on the album. The story about Buckingham refusing to listen to her album amuses me. Why would he want to listen to a record made by other men she was sleeping with? She was also fucking Mick Fleetwood which pissed off Christine to no end. Girl got around the industry.

She also fucked Rupert Hine (The Other Side of the Mirror) and Dave Stewart (In Your Dreams, 24 Karat Gold), albeit years before he produced her (as far as we know). Clearly, a pattern emerges. Can you imagine interviewing to be Stevie's producer while also being aware that you're expected to jump the trampoline for the duration?

Buckingham Nicks were one of the most talented duos ever. They also had a lot of pain and struggle in their lives. Despite this, they had good hearts, which is hard to encounter in the music industry. At a time when gay men were oppressed beyond belief, Buckingham Nicks identified with their struggles and they theirs.

Tusk is a great album to have on vinyl if you have good headphones or surround sound. The channel mixing is an art in of itself. It was a huge risk after Rumours and a commercial disaster but people will still be dissecting it in 50 years. It has a slow burn appeal.

R46 - Maeve Ryan

Stevie Nicks really had a fixation on Tom Petty. He said "she insists on being in my life." An interviewer asked Petty if he and Nicks had ever been "a couple." He said no. The interviewer said it sure sounded like they were. And Petty cryptically replied "we had our times." I tend to think what he meant to say was "yeah, we would fuck on occasion, but were never really boyfriend and girlfriend."

I for one don't think they ever did, which is why they remained close friends to the end. I think Tom saw Stevie for the exhausting Diva she was and figured she wasn't worth the hassle. He also saw how obsessed she was with Lindsey.

I heard one reason Tusk flopped was because several radio stations got advanced copies and excitedly played the entire album, which of course everyone dubbed.

Agreed r460. I was really delighted when I threw it up on my surround sound.

I was one of those who people who taped Tusk after Westwood One played the entire album. FM stations did that all the time in the late 70's. It was $18 to buy in the store, and I still bought it also for the album sleeves. I think Peter Beard (?) did the photography.

Stevie has a lyrical knack for making coke fueled gutter romps with Mick Fleetwood and Joe Walsh sound like elegant, romantic trysts.

Stevie has a lyrical knack for making coke fueled gutter romps with Mick Fleetwood and Joe Walsh sound like elegant, romantic trysts.

RIP Peter Green

Only you, dumbass OP.

R457 and r458: growing up I always heard that whoever's song Stevie sang on, she fucked them. So that would include Kenny Loggins? Walter Egan? This video seems to insinuate so.

Walter Egan looked like a serial killer.

Walter Egan definitely screwed Stevie Nicks.

[R471] Not sure about Stevie sleeping with Walter Egan. He was a friend of both Buckingham and Nicks and Lindsey co-produced Magnet and Steel. Since it was recorded around the time of the B/N bustup anything is possible.

Mr. Buckingham could diddle my hole 'til it fell off. (Gross, I know.)

Wanna hear something worse?

R474 I'm not gonna pull up the interview but Egan did confirm that he had a fling with Stevie Nicks. The song 'Magnet and Steel' is about her. Stevie said she kept her affairs out of the sight of Lindsey. I guess she and Egan were going at it after Lindsey would leave the studio.

I know I'll get dragged for this but I'm glad Stevie had as much sex as she wanted to with whoever she wanted. No one criticized men in Rock and Roll for doing it.

R477 There's a salient distinction between sleeping with groupies and sleeping with married men because you have a thing for married men. The married men are, of course, equally as guilty. Sleeping with your other bandmate while your ex is still in the band? Very classy. I'm sure Stevie screwed lots of single guys no one knows, in that case great.

Stevie, it would seem, tended to sleep with men who could help her career. She's always been a very calculated type that way.

Something I've noticed about upper middle class/urban professional/ college educated straights is that when a guy cheats, there are lots of tears, screaming, and social ostracism of the guy, but when a woman cheats the question is "what did he do to her to make her cheat on him? He must have done something!". The man is always at fault. It makes me thank the lord everyday I'm not het.

[quote]It makes me thank the lord everyday I'm not het.

Seeing the shrewish passive-aggressive bitches so many straight men are married to or in relationships with makes me glad I'm gay. I could never, ever put up with that.

On Buckingham's firing: "He made feel like a wilting flower", "my dad's ghost told me to have him fired". They were barely in the same room together. She's just mad that he married a younger women and had kids while she ended up alone. She feels like she deserves that life and he doesn't that's why she's bringing up her dead dad. She can't explain the real reason without sounding pathetic. Straight white women of a certain age smh.

[R482] What source are you quoting from? Stevie hasn't acknowledged her role in Lindsey's firing to the press in any interviews that I know of - she and Mick lied that it had to do with a scheduling issue. But you're probably right that her jealousy of Lindsey's family life is a thorn in her side. Stevie surrounds herself with a paid entourage she regards as her "friends." I don't pay my friends.

R483 It's here: www.latimes.com/entertainment-arts/music/story/2020-09-30/stevie-nicks-fleetwood-mac-solo-concert-film

[R484] Thanks for the link. It's basically the same interview she's been giving for the past 30 years with slight alterations. And I don't appreciate how she reimagines her treachery towards Lindsey as a "spiritual" experience involving her deceased parents - she's so full of shit. Lindsey once said that Stevie is miserable, has always been miserable and that her success probably made her even more miserable. She certainly sounds it. Serves her right that Covid has forced her to stew in her narcissism while she lives in paranoid fear. Stevie is a scared old woman who, rich and famous as she is, can't give up the game because she has nothing to fall back on.

As a very wealthy old woman with no husband or children who's surrounded by hired staff, Stevie had better watch her step. She's the perfect target for scammers and opportunists to blow smoke up her ass while they rob from her and trade on her fame. Abruptly breaking off ties with someone who's known you since you were 16 - in other words, someone who REALLY knows you - probably wouldn't be considered wise in the eyes of most shrinks, especially at her age. A fantasy-prone woman is becoming even more isolated and fantasy prone. Not good. Get off your ass and get out of the house, Stevie.

R485 I kind of feel bad for her, but up to a point. She resisted going to rehab for so long and even framed her rehab experience as traumatizing because she was forced into it. She should count her lucky stars that some people around her actually give a shit about her because a lot of addicts do not have that. At some point she only has herself to blame for avoiding seeing a shrink for her mental issues. She did an interview with the singer from The 1975 where she said "No one, and I mean no on tells me what to do". That is not exactly a healthy attitude for someone with a history of self destructive behavior to have.

R486 Her mother died. Tom Petty died. The people who grounded her the most are gone. I'm sure her money is secure. Azoff looks after his high profile clients. Her mental health is suspect though. I hope she doesn't end up like Brian Wilson, who gets carted around the country to make money for his agent/manager/handlers while he's barely lucid. I went to a SN concert a few years ago and she just rambled on like a mad woman between songs. It was not cute.

[R487] We'll see what happens. My post upthread about her getting out of the house might have sounded harsh, but I say this as someone who's having drinks on Saturday at a restaurant/bar with a friend who has Stage 4 cancer. Sure, we do the mask thing but you still have to get out and see friends!!! Yes, Stevie should be cautious but she sounds more scared than cautious.

Lindsey is still in love with her.

Lots of famous women end up alone and crazy like Stevie Nicks. It seems to be a hazard of the profession. Stevie's already holed up with her paid personal assistants like Davis and Crawford were, maybe she'll go the next step and take to her bed and never get out like Dietrich.

R489 Lindsey loved her more than she loved him. She's admitted that. She would have left the music industry for Joe Walsh of all people. Lindsey treated her like crap because she dumped him for more famous guys(and his boss) while he spent weeks crafting the rather simple melodies she wrote in 10 minutes into actual radio friendly songs. They just can't be in each other presence anymore, but they should have gotten group therapy instead of blowing up in a very dramatic way at their age.

Joe Walsh was ugly AF.

The Tusk doc is fascinating. Lindsey always pinged me a bit.

Lindsey pings.... as a nice Jewish boy. He isn’t actually Jewish, however.

[R494] Stevie Nicks pings as one of the great Jewesses of the entertainment industry. This Halloween, Stevie and sister of the moon Barbra Streisand will make matzo ball soup together with a broth distilled from the blood of Christian babies. They will then haul their cauldron to The Tree of Life, where Madonna will be waiting to greet them with bottles of Kabbalah water.

I've noticed that Springsteen and Fleetwood Mac are the only oldies acts that it's fine to like without seeming really out of touch and boomerish.

Stevie is not Jewish

What's up with the antisemitism? Also Stevie is shiksa personified.

Lindsay isn't Jewish either.

People think Springsteen is Jewish, but he's actually 1/2 Dutch 1/2 Italian.

[R498] It's not anti-Semitism - there's just a running joke due to a troll who appears on any thread featuring Lindsey Buckingham claiming that he's Jewish (he's not). I was just trying to blow up that trope to an absurd extreme - no offense meant.

Does any one have photos of "Karen" the notoriously bitchy assistant of Stevie?

[R501] Bitchy, scheming Karen to Stevie's right.

Bitchy Karen appear around the 46:00 mark, getting caught in a fight between Stevie and Lindsey she likely contribute to. Bitch!

Does Dave Stewart really have nothing better to do than make bad songs with Stevie Nicks?

[R504] The funny thing is that Dave Stewart and Annie Lennox have their own version of the Stevie/Lindsey dynamic. Maybe he's a faux-Lindsey for her. The thing about Stewart is that while the early stuff with the Eurythmics was brilliant and ground-breaking - they truly had their own sound - his stuff with Stevie is so conventional. When I heard they were working today I was excited that he'd create a new musical world for her - wouldn't Stevie be interesting in a "modern" Eurythmics-like context? But no - they made each other dull.

Stevie Nicks bleating out a new single soon.

Ugh.

Lindsey is an autistic controlling jerk but Stevie dumped him because she wanted to fuck more famous celebrity jerks and live the "IT" girl party life. She got old and realized that and that all these guys only liked her for her youth and she would never has as fufilling a relationship as she had with Lindsey. By the time she kicked the Klonopin she was already borderline menopausal and I doubt Lindsey wanted to marry the middle aged ex-girfriend who had slept with everyone in the music biz. Just look at her comments regarding all these rockstars with their younger wives. The sour grapes are front and center. Hence Stevie currently stewing in crazy juice recently by trying to scrub him from her life.

Stevie is in Norma Desmond territory now.

I wish I loved anything as much as not too bright, basic white girls love Stevie Nicks.

Stevie’s embarrassingly awful song speaks for itself.

That song is probably the 2nd to 3rd worst thing she has ever recorded.

What a trash bin of a song...

And the funniest thing is the lyrics. Her ego permeates that fucking song.

Horrid-

Is this song a way to ape or capitalize on Bob Dylan's "Murder Most Foul". Stevie was name dropped in that song so maybe she wants to emphasize the acknowledgement? I know she thinks she's a lyricist on par with Dylan.

Stevie is pretty awful.

Lindz is a bit too kooky for his own good at times.

They apparently balanced each other out at one time, but no more.

R509 if anything she's like Joan Crawford.

upthread I mentioned growing up I always heard if Stevie sang on someone's record they fucked. I forgot to mention this one counts:

Why was Lindsey angry with Stevie after coming back from touring with the Everly Brothers? She gives no reason. He apparently left her there in Aspen and she wrote Landslide. I vaguely remember her saying that she and a girlfriend met some guys but she didn't elaborate on that.

2003 interview about their relationship

What a cunt.

Enjoy her ego.

Stevie is the kind of person who when you tell them that someone in your family has passed away she'll reply "ohhh I know just how you feel, my parrot just died!" and see nothing wrong with it.

"Oh NO!!!! Your mother DIED??!!!"

My FAMOUS friend THE FAMOUS ROCK AND ROLL STAR Tom Petty died a few years ago. And I am STILL in DEEP MOURNING!!!

My PERSONAL FRIEND and FAN, John F Kennedy was assassinated! And I am STILL not over it!

KAREN! Peel me a grape!!!!!

Did I mention that I am a FAMOUS ROCK AND ROLL STAR!!!???

R521. It's funny from an outsider's perspective, but it must become grating to people who actually have to spend time with her. Everything simply must be about her and her personal anguish, regardless of how over the top it is.

[quote]Stevie Nicks: Coronavirus pandemic is ‘stealing my last youthful years’

Stevie, you're 72.

Her hearts in the right place, but her words and actions do not convey that. Of course the worst thing about the Coronavirus is it stealing her youth, something that she hasn't had for nearly 30 years. Meanwhile young adults have been forced to arrest their best years. I feel like she's trying to make a general point about this, but she's unable to without bringing the conversation back to herself.

I truly feel sorry for teens/twentysomethings who should be out having fun and enjoying their young years but can't. Not too sorry for someone in their seventies who did all that plus a lot more.

Stevie seems to act like all of her exes should treat her like she's their wife. I wonder how Dave Stewart's wife feels about all the time he spends with Stevie alone. She recently said that she was with Lindsey from 1968 until 2018. She's like a pimp. A bitch is always going to be her bitch.

She said Don Henley treated her like they were "married" and still does. She said he found her to be totally "special" and unlike any other woman he'd been with before. She's crazy.

R527. Henley was pretty torn up about her supposed abortion even in the early 90s and he spilled to the press. IMO she had no idea who the father was. She was screwing more than a handful of guys concurrently in 77-78 and was shitfaced on coke and alcohol. Henley probably cared more about her than she did about him. Joe Walsh was The Eagle she loved, just like how Mick was the one in Fleetwood Mac she loved the most.

[R538] Despite all of the success, glamour, romance, etc etc of those years (as she likes to depict it), Stevie's life then actually sounds quite nightmarish. She was totally out of control for years and it almost killed her - that's nothing to envy.

No, there's nothing glamorous about being a coke addict, no matter how rich and famous you are. I can only imagine what the drug addicted Stevie Nicks looked like when she wasn't all made up and photoshopped for the camera. Like death warmed over in a microwave oven, probably.

I don't think it's possible to be as messed up as Fleetwood Mac was in todays celebrity environment. Hedonism peaked in the late 70s. Too many cameras and the internet makes gossip travel so much faster and AIDS certainly complicated things. Stevie looked pretty rough starting around 1979. On another note it must have been hard for the rest of the band (especially Lindsey given the Stevie/Mick affair) knowing that Stevie + Mick became the visual focal points of the group when Lindsey + Christine probably contributed the most to the writing and the "sound" of the music.

You're so right r531. That Rolling Stone cover came out after Tusk was released and that album was all Lyndsey madness.

[ I say to my friend Robin, who died so long ago: ‘Look through my eyes at your granddaughter.’ She was yours and now she is mine.” ] Totally normal behavior.

God, she is just so nuts. Really mentally disturbed. But I guess she always was. And her egotism makes even Madonna seem humble.

Stevie’s witchy bullshit was always just a cover for her passive-aggressive tendencies. “Spirit told me” is a much easier strategy than trying to justify the ethical implications of one’s behavior.

That's a great interview r533.

Is Stevie beefing with Mick now? She hasn't talked to him but they are supposed to be close. So much for her and Christine and her ever being friendly.

It’s pretty obvious we have someone on here literally conversing with himself.

Read these replies. It’s literally the same person.

PS stop going on and on about Stevie’s drug addict while completely ignoring Lindsay’s, when he literally almost died from it, and she didn’t.

[R538] Not true. Lindsey had an epileptic episode that resulted in a brief hospitalization. He wasn’t nearly as into drugs as the rest of the band. It’s well known.

R538 Stevie's drug habit gets talked about more because she talks about it more. Mick was the biggest coke mess because he kept going broke. Lindsey should not have mixed alcohol with epilepsy meds. It's aknowledged everywhere in this thread that they were all drug addled loons.

[R540] Christine was also a major cokehead and once narrowly escaped being arrested and charged for possession - at an airport, I think.

R539 enough with the lying. Everyone knows he was a massive Coke head and woman beater.

R542 Stevie had violent tendencies too. They all cooled down after kicking the drugs.

Mmmhmmmm. Lindsey beat women. Enough said.

R544 Stevie ain't no peach.

I know about the Lindsey thing but Stevie drugged her friend, neglected her pets, practically stalked Tom Petty, and she was the one who started the physical altercation in 1987 when Lindsey declined to tour. She was high as kite and addiction/mental illness was not understood back then. She should not be judged for those things and neither should Lindsey.

DL has many posters who are misandrists. The woman is always the victim. The man is always at fault. The particulars of a certain situation don't matter - MEN ARE BAD. It probably has something to do with Daddy Issues related to divorce and abandonment, envying other men who are more attractive and powerful and frustrated desire. And of course the incessant drumbeats of a feminist-inflected pop culture which many DL posters confuse with reality. Lindsey gets the brunt of it on these threads.

R547 Of course they don't care about the wives of the guys she had affairs with. I don't judge her for that in retrospect. Doing as many drugs as they did it was inevitable that they were scumbags at that point in their lives. Lindsey was a shithead when he mixed epilepsy drugs with alcohol. Mick dumped Stevie for her best friend while he was cheating on his wife with Stevie. John was a violent drunk. I'm sure they're over that coked out nonsense that happened 40 years ago.

The bickering and fighting is just pathetic at this late stage in all their lives. They're all in their seventies and don't have many years left, you'd think they would be past all of the bullshit by now. But no, they refuse to act their ages.

Fucking Boomers.

R549 The recent fighting is due to Lindsey wanting to do an album with Fleetwood Mac and Stevie wanting to just tour with Fleetwood Mac. She was disappointed with the sales of Say You Will. I can see her point. Her ego is tied to sales and she wants Fleetwood Mac to have an untarnished commercial history. Lindsey doesn't care about sales, just look at Tusk. His ego is tied to being a critics' darling. I can see his point too. Both of them would not yield to each other because they're both headstrong egoists.

The shit that happened 40 years that people keep bringing up is irrelevant.

Stevie should've checked her ego and just done a damn album. A legacy act like Fleetwood Mac isn't going to get numbers like current young artists do.

Stevie Nicks is truly an idiot. She was taking the drug Klonopin and thought it was "killing" her. Of course any sane person would just stop taking it, but to prove her point she had a friend of hers take some of her Klonopin and he had a very bad reaction to it. She threw this in the face of the doctor who prescribed it for her. He told her "are you trying to kill your friend?" But she just thought she'd proved it was a terrible drug...by giving it to a friend to see what would happen to him. I guess she figured the results really showed it to the doctor: "See, I told you so!" She's nuts.

"She says people always ask the band: “‘Do you get along?’ We’d go: ‘Not really.’ They’d say: ‘Are you friends?’ and we’d go: ‘Not really.’ ‘Do you see each other when you’re not on tour?’ ‘Er, no.’ It has been like that since 1976.”"

R552 Addiction to klonopin makes you do crazy things. Her butt should have been in rehab after that happened. She eventually got clean sometime in the 90s. It's not like she's drugging her friends anymore.

I don't know why people would think that the members of Fleetwood Mac all liked each other and spent time together outside of touring and making records. They're all musicians with egos and drug habits; why should they be expected to be a big happy family? There were two couples in the band and they both broke up, and Stevie Nicks went on to have an affair with another band member, Mick Fleetwood. They were all messed up, their relationships with each other were all messed up. They stayed together as a band because of the fame and money, not because of any fondness for each other. Buckingham and Nicks definitely had this love/hate thing going on. When their relationship ended they probably should never have seen each other again. What a bunch of screwed up people.

R555 with Stevie there's never a straight answer. In a recent article she said that she was with Lindsey for 40 some odd years. At other times she's sold the story that her and Christine are buddy buddy and that she hangs out with Mick in Hawaii and that they are on the phone all the time gabbing away like golden girls. Then she does a 180 degree turn and tells people they were never friends. She's referred to her affair with Mick as being the biggest regret of her life and a huge mistake. Then a few months later she'll say she cherished her time with Mick and he was one of the loves of her life . I'll always love her music but she's exhausting.

[R556] She sounds like a Tennessee Williams character.

Obviously Stevie Nicks' brain is fried from all the drugs. I think that's the explanation for ALL her inexplicable behavior and contradictory statements.

Lindsey might be a dick but Stevie was constantly cheating on him like she cheated on all of her boyfriends. She's no saint y'all.

Jessica Lange as Fiona on AHS: Coven had the hilarious line about Stevie: "I've tried to get her onto the dark side, but she won't go there" - Yeah, right.

I recently saw an interview with Rod Stewart where he heavily implied that he has slept with Stevie.

Stevie Nicks has obviously been with a lot of men but has never had a lasting (unless you count her tortured relationship with Lindsey Buckingham) , fulfilling, healthy relationship with any of them. It's easy to understand why. She's a total narcissist. The only person she's ever really loved is herself.

R562 which is why we love her.

If she were a man she'd be a cat daddy playboy.

R564. I don't care how many people she screwed, but she should stop complaining about how no one wanted to fuck her after she turned 40. She had miles of good dick. She had 4 lifetimes of dick. No straight guy wants an over the hill rockstar 'goddess' who had plowed through legions of dick. That's just how it is.

Forty is NOT "over the hill" at least for normal people. Maybe it is for a "rock goddess." At any rate, I wish she'd just shut up. She's cuckoo.

Stevie got fat after going off cocaine following her marriage to Kim Anderson. She got back in shape after ending that. and after going AWOL for 2 years came back fat again. It was especially notable in her hips. So her rock star goddess thing was gone in the late 80's. Any tv or concert footage of her was placed far away, except for extreme close ups. She had become Norma Desmond and Baby Jane rolled into one.

R566: apparently over 40 is over the hill for Rock goddesses and gay men

R568 40 is over the hill for the type of guys Stevie is after:musicians, industry guys, other celebrities. They are perfectly fine marrying young models and waitresses who don't have a lick of talent or money. It's not fair but that's how it is. Straight women expire in their 40s.

“Mick and I,” says Nicks, “were absolutely horrified that this happened. We didn’t tell anybody until the very end, and then it blew up and was over. And, you know, Lindsey and I have never, never talked about Mick. Ever.” LOL.

Why should she and Lindsey ever "talk" about Mick Fleetwood, anyway? I'm sure Buckingham knew what she was like, that she was a coked out slut; he surely had no need to "talk" about it. By the way, Mick Fleetwood was the one who told Lindsey that he and Stevie were "seeing" each other. Lindsey didn't think it was any big deal; he told Fleetwood that nothing surprised him any more in relation to Stevie Nicks.

R571 do you know if she ever screwed George Harrison? They hung out together and they were both total sluts so I assume it happened. I like to imagine that when she dies, her little black book will be released full of names, dates, and dick sizes of all the rockstars she spent time with.

I have no idea whether or not she fucked George Harrison, but of course it's possible. She probably wanted him to write a song with her or do a duet with her, but George being George he no doubt wisely declined. He had better sense than that. He wouldn't have wanted to be just another musician Stevie used to further her career.

The more details revealed about Stevie, her personal behavior, her dubious “romances” and her propensity for equating sex with power, the more pathetic and less enviable her “storybook” life appears. She was mostly a mess during her “glory years” and it’s rather sad. All she has is her fame and material wealth. I just watched a cheesy documentary about Jim Morrison where a talking head stated that (paraphrase), “fame isn’t satisfying but it’s addictive” - that’s Stevie’s real affliction.

Stevie on Joe Walsh: “He was the love of my life - the one man I could have given up everything for.”

Joe Walsh on Stevie: “Road fuck.”

Stevie is living in a Barbara Cartland universe while fucking a series of Henry Millers.

R574 Which makes me sad we'll never get a decent bio on her. Stevie spins all her sloppy screws as great romances and her biographers(sycophants) are so enamored with her mystical fairy godmother image to really dig deep in the mud. There's an interesting, complex story there. I picked up an unauthorized bio about her a few months ago and you'd think her shit smelled like Chanel No. 5.

Buckingham showed up in the Bee Gees documentary on Netflix

Buckingham showed up in the Bee Gees documentary on Netflix