J.K. Rowling Returns Award from Kennedy Family After Being Criticized by Kerry Kennedy

Good for her for standing up to the mob.

just when I was rooting for Joe Kennedy....

Rowling is a hero.

The nerve of that spoiled rich kid to talk down to someone who actually has achieved something on their own.

She is a strong woman. The trans activism mob and their enablers are brutal and threatening.

This is JK Rowling's full statement:

Since I first joined the public debate on gender identity and women’s rights, I’ve been overwhelmed by the thousands of private emails of support I’ve received from people affected by these issues, both within and without the trans community, many of whom feel vulnerable and afraid because of the toxicity surrounding this discussion.

Clinicians, academics, therapists, teachers, social workers, and staff at prisons and women’s refuges have also contacted me. These professionals, some at the very top of their organisations, have expressed serious concerns about the impact of gender identity theory on vulnerable adolescents and on women’s rights, and of the dismantling of safeguarding norms which protect the most vulnerable women. None of them hate trans people. On the contrary, many work with and are personally deeply sympathetic towards trans individuals.

Kerry Kennedy, President of Robert F Kennedy Human Rights, recently felt it necessary to publish a statement denouncing my views on RFKHR’s website. The statement incorrectly implied that I was transphobic, and that I am responsible for harm to trans people. As a longstanding donor to LGBT charities and a supporter of trans people’s right to live free of persecution, I absolutely refute the accusation that I hate trans people or wish them ill, or that standing up for the rights of women is wrong, discriminatory, or incites harm or violence to the trans community.

Like the vast majority of the people who’ve written to me, I feel nothing but sympathy towards those with gender dysphoria, and agree with the clinicians and therapists who’ve got in touch who want to see a proper exploration of the factors that lead to it. They – along with a growing number of other experts and whistleblowers – are critical of the ‘affirmative’ model being widely adopted, and are also concerned about the huge rise in the numbers of girls wanting to transition.

To quote the newly-formed Society for Evidence-Based Gender Medicine (SEGM), a group of 100 international clinicians:

The history of medicine has many examples in which the well-meaning pursuit of short-term relief of symptoms has led to devastating long-term results… The “gender affirmative” model commits young people to lifelong medical treatment…, dismisses the question of whether psychological therapy might help to relieve or resolve gender dysphoria and provides interventions without an adequate examination.

I’ve been particularly struck by the stories of brave detransitioned young women who’ve risked the opprobrium of activists by speaking up about a movement they say has harmed them. After hearing personally from some of these women, and from such a wide range of professionals, I’ve been forced to the unhappy conclusion that an ethical and medical scandal is brewing. I believe the time is coming when those organisations and individuals who have uncritically embraced fashionable dogma, and demonised those urging caution, will have to answer for the harm they’ve enabled.

RFKHR has stated that there is no conflict between the current radical trans rights movement and the rights of women. The thousands of women who’ve got in touch with me disagree, and, like me, believe this clash of rights can only be resolved if more nuance is permitted in the debate.

In solidarity with those who have contacted me but who are struggling to make their voices heard, and because of the very serious conflict of views between myself and RFKHR, I feel I have no option but to return the Ripple of Hope Award bestowed upon me last year. I am deeply saddened that RFKHR has felt compelled to adopt this stance, but no award or honour, no matter my admiration for the person for whom it was named, means so much to me that I would forfeit the right to follow the dictates of my own conscience.

J.K. Rowling

Kudos to Rowling for having the courage of her non-racist convictions. Who wants their insipid award?

And here's Kerry Kennedy's statement, where she denies science ("sex is not binary") and argues against something JK Rowling never said.

She also mentions "Rowling then liked a tweet that opposed a bill to ban conversion therapy (both sexual orientation and gender identity) in Canada." - but that bill outlawed questioning a child who was going through growing up and figuring out their sexual orientation. Basically, we're supposed to let children make these decisions because they know what's best for themselves, which is totally not the case in real life. But if the bill had passed, doctors wouldn't be able to suggest "maybe you're gay" to a femme boy. They'd be swept into the trans umbrella.

Option A: Woman who struggled with poverty and still made something of herself; or

Option B: Spoiled rich woman who has never known hunger, deprivation, or discrimination who has never struggled for anything here entire life.

Hmmmm...such a tough choice.

Joseph P. Kennedy was a rum-running anti-Semite who enabled Adolf Hitler with his racist isolationist propaganda.

Kerry who?

Rowling's response was very well thought out and rational. SJWs should take note.

that's a huge problem with the modern Left - white liberals who are absolutely incapable of saying "no" to anyone who claims to be oppressed, no matter how wrong they area.

AND white liberals who will attack anyone who says "no" to anyone who claims to be oppressed, even if the white liberal is absolutely right and the oppressed person is wrong.

The anti-trans sentiments on this board are typical of DL's insistence that only gay men should have any rights.

Go have sex with yourself, r14. You can't argue the point so you have to use phrases like "anti-trans" and set up your own little strawman of "transphobia".

Ewww.

More Kennedy self importance.

Maybe Kerry Kennedy should devote time trying to convince her equally anti-science brother who’s an anti-vaxxer to stop contributing harm due to ignorance. Anti-science runs in this family, it seems to be the case.

Ripple of Hope? Seriously?

[quote]The anti-trans sentiments on this board are typical of DL's insistence that only gay men should have any rights.

Typical deflection and mischaracterization.

As gay people stated during the marriage debate - we don't want more rights. We want the same rights as everyone else.

Your right to swing your fist ends where our noses begin - and sweetie, the Ts have been swinging fast and furious and smacking gay people in the face at every opportunity.

The trans community needs to stop manipulating, medicalizing and sterelizing gay youth.

Is "Ripple of Hope" a new ice cream flavor from Ben and Jerry's?

JK to KERRY:

Go fuck yourself. And the horse you rode in on.

Kerry Kennedy, not just another pretty face

Kerry can be a rich, spoiled Kennedy. But that doesn't excuse JK's bigotry.

I was never a fan of Harry Potter and didn't know much about J. K. Rowling, but this trans battle has opened my eyes. I can't help but admire the woman for standing up for what's right in the face of such vicious, spiteful and confrontational personal attacks.

Who is the bigot here? JK for saying biological sex exists or those that are practicing an even more sick and twisted conversion therapy on children.

JK isn't remotely a bigot. But she is a strong woman who doesn't back down, so naturally she must be crushed.

How ironic.

Kerry's father, RFK, was a homophobe.

Because his son RFK Jr. (the current day anti-vaxxer) was interested in plants and flower, RFK worried the boy might be a homosexual and insisted the boy change his interest to animals instead. (Perhaps he saw that as more macho.)

I remember reading about this long ago when I was foolishly interested in all things Kennedy.

These tidbits come in handy when combating the "saintly" Kennedy image.

Two possibilities here.

1. Kerry Kennedy really does think that biological sex is a spectrum in which case she's a crank and shouldn't hold any positions of influence.

2. Kerry Kennedy doesn't think biological sex is a spectrum, but feels the need to say it to appease cranks, in which case she shouldn't hold any positions of influence.

I thought most of the Kennedys were dead. Did I miss something?

[quote]RFK worried the boy might be a homosexual and insisted the boy change his interest to animals instead.

Sure Pop. Let me know when you and that dancer man are done with the phone booth so I can call Marlin Perkins.

I'm sure Andrew Cuomo is happy he got away from Kerry.

There's a thing that happens here that makes it tough to go against the received wisdom of the crowd on Datalounge. Five years ago it was the universal disdain with which a few posters dominated the discussion of Hamilton on the theatre threads. I remember one person posted "We hate Hamilton here." But you know, it's not true. I loved it and still do.

As for the retrograde take on transpeople, I do not believe any of the posters speak for everybody. It may be the dominant narrative thread to think Rowling is a hero or "brave" or that people who think the polar opposite of her are a "mob," but that's not true. This is the first time I have posted this, but I have thought about it every time one of these blanket statements gets posted without dissent.

For the record, I don't think the acronym TERF applies to even half of the people who cling to reactionary emotional responses like Rowling does. They're definitely trans-exclusionary but there's nothing particularly radical or feminist about most of them. Have at it, but this site is not a citadel of gender-determinists.

TERFing!

r33 damn, so even with reality staring you in the face, you can't accept it. I'm not surprised you are a TRA/gender theory supporter. Yet of course you don't mention or confront what people are actually saying, you create this entire fantasy of "reactionary emotional responses" and argue against that.

There is nothing trans-exclusionary about Rowling or the DL, aside from a few trolls. Rowling simply does not want young children being taught to mutilate their bodies, lower their IQs, or sterilize themselves for being different. Gender dysphoria is real but it does not mean that abusing youth is the answer.

Postmodernism is bullshit.

You're just clinging to your emotional reaction, R35. It happens.

r36 Ah, the condescension shines through. It's much harder to argue an actual point, isn't it, than to engage in namecalling and ad hominem attacks?

R14 can't argue against it so he throws out lies that gays only want rights for themselves. Typical.

Here's Mermaids UK, which makes their money by teaching children and their parents that they are trans and not gay or lesbian, claiming (without proof) that JK Rowling - by asserting women have rights and they should retain those rights - has caused attempted suicides and self-harm in trans youth. Shorter Mermaids statement: JK Rowling is LITERALLY KILLING TRANS YOUTH!!

[quote]As part of that email, we have disclosed something we hoped never to say. We say it now with permission from those involved. Without giving personal detail, without betraying confidences, we must represent the seriousness of the situation. We are aware through our work with families that there have been cases of self-harm and even attempted suicide following J.K.Rowling’s statements and the public response on social media and in the press. Surely this must cause us all to pause and question the way young trans lives are being debated in public.

Organizations like Mermaids operate best by night, when people aren't paying attention to them.

R37 It was a joke. I'm on your side.

R39 - that's disgusting. We are aware 'through our work' of cases of self-harm and attempted suicide due to JK's statements. Bullshit. That's not a response - that's a threat and a guilt trip.

And even if it were true, then those people were looking for any reason to self-harm. They weren't doing fine until JK came along. I suspect they really didn't and are just saying that they did to emotionally hijack things.

Did anyone ever give a fuck about how government policy, AIDS jokes, fag jokes, etc ever had on gay and lesbians? Hell no - that never stopped anyone.

r41 apologies, I misfired due to my emotions!

Ha! No worries. I see now it was ambiguous.

Anyone who tries to win an argument by saying "I/we/they/innocent children will COMMIT SUICIDE if I don't get my way..." automatically loses that argument. Using such a threat proves they have no logic or facts on their side, and are resorting to blackmail and manipulation because they have no other weapons.

And if that's not the first tactic the Transies use in a debate, it's the second...

r45 it's TRA fallacious arguing 101, "trans women of color are LITERALLY DYING AHHH!!!", in amidst the pseudoscience, links to random Youtubers, ad hominem attacks, trying to cancel you, intimidation, blatant lying, and other methods they use to wear you down.

It’s so easy now to signal how fiercely woke you are — at other people’s expense. Social media has reslly weaponized this — climbing into the spotlight on other peoples’ heads.

The sad truth is that only someone with Rowling’s power can resist it. It’s like denouncing someone as being a kulak in the Soviet Union or as a pinko in the US. An easy way to power and influence yourself.

British women are so horse faced.

Can somebody give me a "précis" of what JK Rowling's stance is? I can't wade through past threads trying to figure it out.

JK hates trans women and gay men.

There was no reason for her to return the award other than to make a public scene. Typical conservative behavior.

Candace Owens is staunchly defending her on Twitter, which tells you all you need to know . The Trumptards have a new hero.

JK projects her own intimacy frustrations.

"Can somebody give me a "précis" of what JK Rowling's stance is?"

Basically, it's that women's legal rights shouldn't be rolled back to accommodate transwomen, and that children shouldn't be subjected to medical transitions. You know, like 80% of the Datalounge.

JK wants to sound make

Sorry, l should have said "... like 98% of the Datalounge". There's always the outliers who scream and insult and threaten suicide, because they have no logic, facts, or common sense on their side.

To the Terfites:

A conservative white woman is afraid of becoming a minority, so she unleashes an attack on the GLBT community during Pride Month.

This is going hand in hand with a conservative movement in the UK to stop Black Lives Matter.

Of course R56 would post that picture.

Hey JK, you ever gonna thank Jill Murphy for "inspiring" Harry Potter?

Rich people handing out 'Ripples of Hope Awards' must be living in some kind of Tipperary Cloud-Cuckoo Land.

JFK got into power because of his sex appeal but he'd be crucified nowadays with the extra scrutiny we give to philandering sex-pigs.

My legal rights!

For people curious about J. K. Rowling‘s reasons for taking this stance, here are her own words:

“J.K. Rowling Writes about Her Reasons for Speaking out on Sex and Gender Issues”

She’s been liking tweets from big-time homophobes.

JK Rowling is hardly a conservative. Isn't it possible she just has a more nuanced view on this subject than moany liberal Americans do?

[quote] JK Rowling is hardly a conservative

Yes, it seems she is.

There’s never any nuanced view from rad fems. Trans women and gay men existing is always literal violence against womyn!!!!

The Kennedy's are trash, but Rowling is worse. Team Kennedy.

Though, the days of the Kennedy dynasty in public office are basically over. The myth of Camelot is bursting into flames.

No, the Kennedy family is far worse. Bunch of horse-toothed, alcoholic trust fundies who are still flogging the names of their dead relatives.

JK looks like a man in drag now.

The hair, the whorey lipstick...

Lost a lot of respect for AOC when she decided to promote Mermaids and got people to donate (a LOT of) money to them.

I don’t even care about what JK Rowling said. I just think it’s gangsta that she told that spoiled trust fund Kennedy cunt to shove it.

Whatever Joanne Rowling has said about Trans people doesn't take away from the extraordinary amounts that she has donated to Charity (I think that she's right anyhow). Who gives a fuck about an award from Kerry Kennedy?

The Kennedys mean nothing to my generation. JK Rowling, however, does.

I see the trolls have arrived (r57, r63, r69, et al)

Must be the weekend.

How much has she given to support gay males?

Nothing J.K. Rowling said was "transphobic"!

She simply reminded the transtapo of the reality and science of the female gender! It really is a thought police" move which will hurry the backlash and I feel ultimately the rejection of trans people and the goals of the average trans person.

R75 She doesn't ever announce her donations, stupid recipient's occasionally identify her.

It's £100's of millions each year.

The Trans/Gender Identity Movement's strawman argument is non-binary!

Her attack was really to shame Mermaids, which is an anti-gay organisation which tries to influence unsure children to transition.

She's a Star.

The Kennedy's must be laughing at this hag and her attention getting tantrums. Typical white conservative woman "I'll pout if I don't get my own way" bullshit. Why are so many friends also against the Black Lives Matter movement? Hmmmm.

You'd think with all that money. she'd get a decent plastic surgeon. When all of the photoshop in the world still can't get rid of the bags and wrinkles, you're in trouble.

of her friends against the Black Lives Matter movement.

Team Rowling

JK Rowling is a true warrior. She stood up for women against an army of anti-women fanatics. I stand with her and will continue to support everything she does. She is a very brave woman. I stand with her.

If you think that Joanne is Conservative you be Shocked. She makes Bernie Sanders sound like a Republican

Remember when that tranny MMA fighter was allowed to fight as a woman and “she” almost KILLED the real woman in 5 seconds? Yeah. That’s the shit JK is speaking out against. It’s not right. I stand for women.

R84 She has certainly has been supportive of Islam, which I find ironic considering the actual erasure of gay men and lesbians in Muslim majority countries. How is it that she’s worried about trans ideology consuming gay identity while she thinks a religious view that explicitly calls for our extermination is OK? Her views are very inconsistent, IMO.

I think Americans cannot understand or deal with nuance. It has to be black and white here. Yes or No, For or Against, period. Critical thinking skills are not prevalent here.

Wow, what a loss for JK.... an award no one has ever heard of.

She should have just dumped it in the trash and saved on shipping.

How many here honestly had ever heard of Kerry Kennedy before this story?

By the way--it's important to know that Rowling is not just speaking for herself. She has received thousands of letters and emails from women in all places--abuse shelters, the prison system, along with more middle class lives--who have thanked her for speaking out when they don't have the clout that she does.

It takes a hero to stand up for the powerless.

[quote]How many here honestly had ever heard of Kerry Kennedy before this story?

JFK Jr. was flying his plane to Martha's Vineyard to attend her wedding.

Wrong r91

[quote] On the evening of July 16, 1999, John F. Kennedy Jr. piloted a Piper Saratoga to attend the wedding of his cousin, Rory, to Mark Bailey at the Kennedy Compound in Hyannis Port, Massachusetts.

There's one tranny troll on this thread trying to say as much shit as HE can - calling her a conservative, talking about her looks, Terfs, etc.

Not one single bit of info to refute anything - just slamming. And he also called women 'dykes' repeatedly in another thread.

Look for yourself.

You're correct r92. Ethel popped so many kids out of that clown car pussy, and the all look alike, I can't tell them apart.

I'd cut him/her some slack. They--Rory and Kerry--are both documentary filmmakers, both children of RFK, and look very similar.

Kerry K criticizing others? Like she has a lot to be proud of in her life.

[quote] Remember when that tranny MMA fighter was allowed to fight as a woman and “she” almost KILLED the real woman in 5 seconds?

Sounds cool!

I support that.

[quote] She has certainly has been supportive of Islam, which I find ironic considering the actual erasure of gay men and lesbians in Muslim majority countries. How is it that she’s worried about trans ideology consuming gay identity while she thinks a religious view that explicitly calls for our extermination is OK? Her views are very inconsistent, IMO.

How has she been supportive of Islam and religious cultures or beliefs?

She’s been supportive of Muslims and the discrimination they face, mostly from right wing and far right groups. She has been outraged at the proportion of black and Asian medical workers who died of Covid during the pandemic and has drawn attention to the contribution immigrants have made to the NHS and care sector.

She’s also been supportive of British Jews and spoken out against the left wing obsession with Jews that had been cultivated by Jeremy Corbyn. It’s no coincidence that the loudest voices attacking her in the British media are also Corbyn’s most vociferous defenders.

Omg.

When does she ever defend gay men?

The disgusting Mermaids charity, run by the horrible Susie Green, and responsible for the Barbie/GI Joe gender scale below, have accused JK Rowling of being responsible for self harm and suicide attempts of kids.

Susie Green boasted how she'd stopped her son playing with dolls because her husband didn't like it, and then shortly after her son announced he was a girl. She took her son abroad for sex change surgery at the age of 16 and has joked that because his penis hadn't been able to grow he was left with a very small vagina.

Jameela Jamil and Emma Watson are very high profile supporters of Mermaids, and AOC has championed them as well.

It would be nice if some organization would speak out against the transing of boys by women, but none do.

Despite what her howling detractors might say, Rowling is not a racist, she’s not a homophobe, she doesn’t hate trans people.

She’s a woman who believes that women who are born female have a right to have that identity respected as something distinct from the identity of women who become women later in life. She believes women who are born female should not have the safe spaces they have won over centuries of fighting taken away from them without serious public debate. She believes that surgery cannot erase human genetics and biology. And she believes that children should not be allowed to consent to non-essential, irrevocable surgical procedures at an age where we wouldn’t allow them to buy beer or drive a car.

I’m with her.

Yes, they matter.

Good.

R103 sounds like a woman.

People have said that about me before, R106. I find it surprising, but it doesn’t insult me.

"Typical deflection and mischaracterization."

That's what you're doing.

Rowling returned that sculpture of RFK's head that the guy is holding in the picture. Not that exact one. Her copy. Not brave. Just digging in her heels that what she said wasn't transphobic. That's she's an "I'm always right and have no fucks to give because I'm rich" kind of gal.

Except of course she has fucks to give because she wouldn't have made such a public gesture. She expects to never have to deal with shit anymore because: $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$.

No, assholes, you are not exempt from criticism because you're rich and famous.

And you assholes who characterize her as a hero are just as guilty of hyperbole as when you type "LITERAL VIOLENCE!" whenever a trans person doesn't kiss your ass.

Sorry about the ass references. Next time I'll do tiny penis references.

Those really seem to get your "goat" for some reason.

I don’t care about ‘women's spaces’.

That has nothing to do with gay rights.

[quote]When does she ever defend gay men?

She doesn't. I mean, she supports the LGB Alliance who has been repeatedly anti-gay and anti-gay marriage, she pals around with Baroness Nicholson, and she makes sure her Twitter bio mentions that she's also Robert Galbraith, the pen name she chose that coincidentally is the same name as the man who pioneered "anti gay therapy."

And she's beloved by a host of straight women who have invaded a gay board, who constantly make ludicrous and homophobic attacks on the gay regulars here (and the few lesbians we have who aren't part of this alt-right lunacy), and spent nearly two years now abusing the automated moderating system here to get actual gays and lesbians banned from their own board. They constantly and repeatedly tell gays to leave their own space and give it over to them, even though they are very obviously also the same people organizing on KiwiFarms, Reddit, Twitter, Mumsnet, and Gab, all of whom have linked directly to us as another place to astroturf their hate.

The best part is they also use every single one of their threads to assert that there is no gay movement and never has been a gay movement.

I mean, you can't be any more blatantly homophobic than that.

It's no coincidence that the anti-trans assholes on this thread are also on threads about the protests saying blacks enslaved themselves, and on immigrant threads saying they hope they all drown trying to get to the UK, and on celebrity threads saying "oh that guy probably has the AIDS," are the ones saying Meghan Markle is a "savage" "mulatto" whose mother was a "pot smoking jazz hippie," and are the same people who start tons and tons of off-topic distraction threads to try to squash political discussions on DL.

The anti-trans trolls lie and gaslight and use sketchy links from iffy blogs and alt-right websites as "proof" and "research," but at the end of the day, when they get the tiniest bit upset, they immediately show themselves as being full-fledged bigots.

And they don't realize that the vast majority of people see this news about Rowling and think, wow, she's so fucked up she gave back a human rights award, because she's no longer a humanitarian, she's too interested in being anti-trans on social media now.

No one except the racist, homophobic, piece of shit trolls here cheering her on and WWing themselves 100 times (while pretending it's 100 different people who, like, totally agree with them n stuff) think she's a hero. Everyone else sees this stunt with the award as exactly what it is: empirical evidence that she's a terrible human being.

[quote]she makes sure her Twitter bio mentions that she's also Robert Galbraith, the pen name she chose that coincidentally is the same name as the man who pioneered "anti gay therapy."

JUST STOP LYING.

This is Robert Colvile, who wrote the article about Galbraith's work.

[quote]I can’t believe this has to be said, but here we go.

[quote]In 2013, @jk_rowling published her first book as Robert Galbraith.

[quote]In 2016, I published this on Robert Galbraith Heath, a US psychiatrist who (among much else) tried to invent a gay cure.

[quote]We called it one of the ‘great forgotten stories of neuroscience’ because everyone had forgotten it. @jk_rowling did not choose her pseudonym out of homophobia or insensitivity. She could not have known about this guy - who everyone called Robert Heath anyway, or just Bob. 2/2

[quote]Seriously though it is an insane story and you should definitely read it - one of the best pieces of journalism I ever did. But please, people, get some perspective.

He's listed on Wikipedia as Robert Galbraith Heath.

What his friends called him by in real life is irrelevant.

There's no way a quick Google search before deciding on a pen name -- by either her or her publishers -- wouldn't have returned him as one of the first results.

Rowling has lived in Scotland for most of her adult life, and neither Robert (the name of our most famous king) nor Galbraith (of ancient Gaelic origin) are at all unusual.

It’s curious that no-one gave the name a second thought until the campaign to cancel her got started.

Oh, so you're Scottish, R113. Care to offer an explanation for why it's ground zero for TERFs?

It’s neither r114, but thanks for trying.

Really? Where in the world has most TERFs per capita than Scotland?

And all gay men who get involved in the rad fem movement hate their gay brothers as much as they hate trans women.

zzzzzz r116

I discredit those who resort to the word "TERF" (just as I discredit those who resort to the word "tranny").

As someone upthread mentioned, Americans lack nuance. The debate over the trans movement -- a very important debate, to my mind -- is ground zero for this deficiency.

A better question would be why do you spend more time defending women than gay men.

A horseface fav:

....

DL is hilarious.

JK Rowling makes statement clarifying her concerns about the trans movement, its effects on women and children: HERO! I LOVE HER!

JK Rowling returns an award from the Kennedy family: WHAT A COMPLETE BITCH! BURN HER! WHY ARE SCOTTISH WOMEN SO SHIT??

R120, Bethany Mandel writes for The Federalist. I don't give a fuck what her opinions are.

JK tweeted her satisfaction that a bill banning gay conversion therapy failed.

She could clarify all this.

But she hasn't.

She's a homophobia like all her friends at the LGBAlliance.

She doesn't identify as homophobic, r123.

Thus, by the logic of self-ID, she is not a homophobe.

[For the record, I don't believe she's a homophobe. Just pointing out some faulty logic that comes out of the current trans movement.]

I feel threatened by her homophobia.

Thus she is a homophobe.

That’s rad fem logic.

I don't know why I bother trying to argue with the trolls in these threads

If I announce I feel threatened, that means everyone has to do what I want.

I could easily be raped... being old, butch, fat and ugly.

Never underestimate how much 'gender-critical' gay men hate gay men.

Both things could be true: JK Rowling is a bit if nutter at this point & Kerry Kennedy is a bitter old woman, desperately trying to be relevant.

Well, the Kennedys embraced lobotomies and other quackery in the past, not surprised they fully support “gender affirmation surgery”.

[quote]JK Rowling is a bit of a nutter at this point

Dismissing a woman's well-articulated, well-reasoned argument because she is a "nutter" ... Sexism 101.

You have to admire Rowling if she actually had to show up and accept this award. I'd have to have an injection of lorazepam or something before making whatever speech was necessary. Otherwise I giggle my way through it. Ripple award?

Woman at R131.

You’re a homophobe.

She may have given up her Ripple of Hope Award, but she's still in the running for the Bob Hope Award.

GIVE-NO-FUCKS GODDESS 💝

I’ve forgiven her for the shit that was the 6th HP book.

It’s impossible to discuss anything with rad fems, because any criticism of any of their heroes is always ‘sexism 101!’

Gay men can’t be sexist.

Kerry Kennedy Ruining Family Foundation

[quote] Multiple sources — all of whom spoke on the condition of anonymity — say Kennedy uses foundation funds to pay for lavish expenses and the foundation itself as an excuse to party with celebs around the globe. The foundation’s most recent tax filings show she paid herself $357,340 in 2014. That same year, she took out a $2.4 million line of credit for the center, which has offices in DC and on Manhattan’s Madison Avenue.

[quote] In November 2015, she sold her house in the Westchester town of Bedford for $920,000. There is no public record of her having purchased another residence.

[quote] “She has truly become unhinged, and people are frozen and don’t know what to do,” says a source who e-mailed The Post. “Her staff fear her, as she has a wicked temper and is quite entitled and belligerent — but now they fear for her, as she has become difficult to follow . . . She has become bitter, mean and angry — and now, clearly, publicly depressed.”

It's hilarious to me how Rowling is a "hero" on DL now when she was shit on toast here until the trans mess.

She’s only a hero for the women who post here.

Sadly most of the posters here are women.

You damn right I returned that stinky award! I’m on the right side of history here!

Maybe some day gay men will prevail and then women like JK will get what is coming to them.

[quote] No. Never. I do find misogyny disgusting though. It's a common 'thread' in a lot of discussions here on DL. It's some sort of psychic disturbance a lot of gay men develop. It's from sort of weird patriarchy I've found to be common in gay men only spaces. We at least need lesbians.

This is what happens when we say we don’t like vag.

It’s coming from fish, not trans women.

[quote]JFK got into power because of his sex appeal but he'd be crucified nowadays with the extra scrutiny we give to philandering sex-pigs.

Are you aware of who is currently occupying the Oval Office?

R121 it’s not DL it’s one trans troll who has posted the majority of replies on this thread.

STUNNING AND BRAVE!!!!!!!!

And largely women who believe this woman is somehow a brave hero despite a lot of homophobia coming from her stinky cunt.

[quote]How many here honestly had ever heard of Kerry Kennedy before this story?

She had a high-profile Drugged Driving case in 2014 where she was acquitted because she opted for a jury trial. That's the Kennedy's version of America...where enough $$$ for expensive lawyers get you a jury trial in a DUI case. The same crime for which Black men like Rayshard Brooks are shot on site by police. So fuck Kerry Kennedy.

[quote]And largely women who believe this woman is somehow a brave hero despite a lot of homophobia coming from her stinky cunt.

If your goal is to convince us the trans movement does not contain a virulent strain of sexism, you're failing.

[quote]If your goal is to convince us the trans movement does not contain a virulent strain of sexism, you're failing.

I don't care about sexism. If you're a fish you need to get the fuck out of gay men's spaces.

And if your goal is to convince us the 'gender-critical' movement does not contain a virulent strain of homophobia, you're failing.

[quote]And largely women who believe this woman is somehow a brave hero despite a lot of homophobia coming from her stinky cunt.

That this could somehow be considered 'sexist' is really proof that gay men speaking is 'sexism' to some women.

Pray tell, what is "homophobic" about the gender critical movement, r148?

Ah, I see I fell for the troll in this thread.

My bad.

I'm gay. I don't like vaginas. They repulse me.

Am I allowed to express this feeling or is that muhsoggy?

I notice all the people who object to me expressing this are not trans women but ciswomen.

You guys always call the regulars and gays on DL the trolls and pretend like your hetero asses belong here, it's hilarious.

The only reason you're here is because the board is completely neglected and unmoderated. The owners of the board have fucked off and don't even know you're here.

The last time they talked about you though they said they were banning your Daily Mail-reading racist asses, which they did for a while, but you just created a bunch of new email addresses (probably mycuntisunimpeachable1 through mycuntisunimpeachable99 at gmail dot com) and came back, and the worst part is you're so fucking borrriinnnnngggg. All the stupid drool you post here is the same as what you post on Twitter and Mumsnet, word for word.

[quote]If your goal is to convince us the trans movement does not contain a virulent strain of sexism, you're failing.

Hmm yes you're right, the anti-trans movement is so powerfully feminist with such celebrity endorsements as, let me see here... Jonathan Ross, who has absolutely not groped and humped women on his show for the lulz, and Graham Linehan who absolutely did not harass cis women on Twitter constantly nor write an entire episode of a sitcom about how women just love shoes, and Robert Webb who I'm sure hasn't written a book about how a suicidal woman can be cured of depression in seconds just by a guy wanting to fuck her.

Such stellar examples of pro-feminist thought they are, you must be very proud.

Here's just one gem of many from Glinner.

The whole movement is rife with homophobia.

155 posts mostly arguing about men replicating the worst socially-inculcated stereotypes of women and demanding that others pander to their delusions.

Madness!

R156 is a woman. Get out of here.

Ignore R157 and 20+ replies disappear. He's on here claiming he's a gay man, but calling women horse-faced, saying gay men will give JK what she deserves when they get power, and calling people TERFs.

He's a loony trans with absolutely no arguments - just keeps stating that JK loves Islam, hates gays, and other unfounded assertions.

He needs to be flamed and freaked.

I have r157 on ignore already, he obviously has mental health issues.

[quote]He's on here claiming he's a gay man, but calling women horse-faced, saying gay men will give JK what she deserves when they get power, and calling people TERFs.

Gay men can't do that?

Honey, I don't care about trans.

I care about the homophobia in radical feminism.

If any of you renounced that while keeping all your other anti-trans beliefs I'd go along with it.

[quote]Ignore [R157] and 20+ replies disappear. He's on here claiming he's a gay man, but calling women horse-faced, saying gay men will give JK what she deserves when they get power, and calling people TERFs.

He's made 68 posts now, out of 160.

He must really hate women to put this level of commitment into hating on them.

R161 And you counted all of R157's posts. Now THAT'S commitment.

[quote]He must really hate women to put this level of commitment into hating on them.

You don't even try to pretend anymore that trans women are hurting gay men.

We're supposed to care that they're hurting women?

[quote][R161] And you counted all of [R157]'s posts. Now THAT'S commitment.

Click on Ignored posters, do a "Find" and start typing Kennedy and it will give you the post count. Simples!

It's easy to make a rough estimate, r162.

Yeah - now he's going on about how he's against radical feminism and some bullshit. Calling women fish, terfs, and other things.

He's insane and just wants to be argumentative. He makes no points - just name calling. Makes me think he is a trans, because there are no points made.

Calling women names is literal violence.

R164 Shafuckingzam!! You're right! Thanx for that!

The last thing this site needs is more straight women presuming to tell gay men how to be gay.

There's an ongoing thread here telling gay men how evil we are for not liking vaginas.

And it's not trans saying it.

So sad that they are unable to recognize and accept the truth about themselves. Anybody with a penis doesn't want them. The vaginas they lust for, are not obtainable. They are rejected by each other sexally. Their commonality is hate. Pray for them.

^sexually

Is the trans loon still mad no one will wax his lady balls?

You mean his "external ovaries"?

Does that beautician refuse to wax gay men too?

If anything JFK would be crucified today by the woke and reparations police for being responsible for half of the right wing Latin American Dictatorships . If Latinos had half of the political clout as blacks do, Lyndon Johnson and JFK would have their legacy tarnished like the statues being toppled nowadays. As for JK Rowling calling her a conservative because she's siding with women's rights is ludicrous.

R176 is an idiot. She retweeted comments from a guy who supports ex-gay therapy, so of course she should be considered a conservative.

She's a baby who thinks anyone who calls her out is canceling her

r13, the problem with liberals is "liberals" like you who spew right-wing talking points while claiming to be liberal

No comment on her liking and retweeting comments from someone who supports ex-gay therapy?

Do you have an argument other than "someone she retweeted has an opinion about something else that I don't like"?

Really, try harder, trolls.

It's unfortunate that some right wing people's positions on this overlap _in some areas_ on the "trans women are women" and gender theory that have seemingly short-circuited otherwise well-meaning people's brains, but it doesn't mean the arguments are themselves invalid.

All you're doing is spouting fallacies and claiming a win.

Looks like Nazi Muriel came along again and deleted the informative "Trans people are real - but so is biology thread".

Keep deleting Nazi Muriel - all you achieve is to underline the dictatorial nature of the trans ideology.

"This is what happens when we say we don’t like vag" - r142

"I'm gay. I don't like vaginas. They repulse me" -r152

Transphobe! How can you be a 'gay man' on a message board for gay men, pretending to not be antagonistic to trans people, when you [italic] don't even like vaginas [/italic] ? What are you, some bio-essentialist, right-wing, trans-exclusionary gEniTal feTiShisT? Eww gross. The Boxer Ceiling is real!

r182 it's the trans rights activist spamming troll. Just F&F and block. He camps any thread even tangentially related to trans or nonbinary and spams with misogynistic posts, pretending to be a "gay man".

The Twitterers going crazy

I suppose we ought to be grateful that the pitchfork-and-torch wielding mobs have moved online, and have stopped lynching people in real life.

Haha, can't wait to read the new Strike. I see the loons who haven't even read and have no idea what's in it it are already up in arms. The right-wing Telegraph hates Rowling because she's a (old school) lefty so are always out to shit on her.

It’s so wonderful to see twitter children realizing they don’t actually control the world no matter how many temper tantrums they throw. For years now they’ve managed to make everyone else at the very least apologize and pretend they didn’t mean it, but JK will now be beaten down.

I’m not a huge fan of Rowling’s work, but she has given tens of millions (if not more) to charities and I respect her for that.

She also stands up for what she believes, despite the manic bullies who have decided she must suffer for not submitting to their redefinition of what a woman is. I hope she doesn’t backtrack.

R188 she's made it very clear that she will not back off from this

Robbie Coltrane has defended JKR.

[quote] He told the Radio Times: “I don’t think what she said was offensive really. I don’t know why but there’s a whole Twitter generation of people who hang around waiting to be offended. They wouldn’t have won the war, would they? That’s me talking like a grumpy old man, but you just think, ‘Oh, get over yourself. Wise up, stand up straight and carry on.’”

[quote] Cracker star Coltrane, 70, said he did not want to go further because, “I don’t want to get involved in all of that because of all the hate mail and all that s***, which I don’t need at my time of life”.

[quote]They wouldn’t have won the war, would they? That’s me talking like a grumpy old man, but you just think, ‘Oh, get over yourself. Wise up, stand up straight and carry on.’

Lord spare us from self-absorbed Brit Boomers like Robbie Coltrane who were born in 1950 but think they lived through the war.

R191, he never said he lived through the war. His point is entirely valid. If someone gets upset at being told that men don't have periods, they clearly have absolutely no resilience.

Where does Coltrane even imply that he lived through the war, dumbass at r191?

I just finished the new Strike book. This is not a real spoiler, because they are investigating a cold case and most of the following is widely understood before they start. One of the suspects is a famous (now jailed) serial rapist and killer. This serial killer, who is the only person in the book that loonies could be referring to as "trans", is neither trans nor a cross-dresser. His MO was to inveigle women into his van or his flat by convincing them he was harmless. ONE of the ways he did this was to go out late at night looking for drunk women and approach them wearing a wig and his landlady's overcoat so they might think he was either a middle-aged woman or a harmless eccentric. He also had several OTHER ways of achieving the same end. From the information we are given, he never cross-dressed at other times, though he tried to allay the landlady's suspicions by suggesting he was gay, which sometimes involved his putting her feather boa round his neck when upstairs for tea and singing show tunes with her. Again, a conscious manoeuvre, no suggestion he is in fact gay.

This is a gay site. Anyone here want to suggest that wearing a wig and an older lady's overcoat over your own clothes, for the shortest time it takes to pick up a drunk woman you intend to rape, means you secretly want to BE a woman?

Trannies are freaks. JK Rowling is a literary icon. Nothing will change that.

She hasn't said anything untrue or particularly unkind about transpeople, she's just contradicted a few of their more questionable beliefs. She hasn't tried to do anything to reduce trans rights, just pointed out that other people's rights matter too.

She really is the best sort of old-school liberal: Intelligent, thoughtful, well-informed, ethical, brave, principled, and generous, compassionate, concerned with the rights of downtrodden people all over the world. And this is how the "woke" assholes treat people who are ethical, compassionate, and thoughtful.

I saw a British-Indian comedian recently on TV. I loved this joke from her, which she did as a very slow, careful explanation for us:

"My daughter is Woke. What that means is, she can't tell the difference between racism, and a joke a bout racism."

^ I've noticed the same, R197.

I merely mentioned to my work colleagues that our fellow-employees of Xxxxx heritage always ate lunch at the same table in the staff cafeteria while those of Yyyyyy heritage ate at another.

My fellow-employees hissed at me for my audacious racism by verbalising this fact.

[quote] British women are so horse faced.

I know, right?

Serious question for trans people who consider themselves true women what do you think of people like Rachel Dolezal? Does she have a right to claim a black identity because it’s something she feels? If no Why is it okay to adopt the identity of one oppressed group and not another?

The Limeys and the Micks are still at it...

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Wow. Psychological therapy to change trans people. Conversion therapy, anyone?

You mean people should chop off their healthy body parts without any kind of assessment, r203? Besides, transitioning is the true conversion "therapy", an attempt to convert a body from one type to another. Not to mention that transitioning is used as gay conversion therapy.

I mean, it's not as though even Pink News hasn't admitted that people who consider themselves trans are 6 times more likely than the general population to be autistic and have a range of other mental health issues, such as schizophrenia, ADHD, bipolar disorder, depression, learning difficulties or being OCD. But let's overlook those facts about their psychological condition and see if they can be treated and chop their tits off instead.

204 you should have argument reconstruction survey. "I mean it's not as if even ... haven't...."

JK Rowling is a hero!!! One of the brave few who has stood up to the tranny mob and not backed down. Bravo.

It's baffling to me that you losers have this much free time on your hands. Don't you have jobs and families? You can't possibly have nothing else in your life but spamming forums with this crap and bumping old threads.

[quote] JK to KERRY: Go fuck yourself. And the horse you rode in on.

Oh, she didn't ride a horse. That's just Kerry herself.

She inherited her mother's beauty.

[quote] It's baffling to me that you losers have this much free time on your hands. Don't you have jobs and families? You can't possibly have nothing else in your life but spamming forums with this crap and bumping old threads.

And yet, here you yourself are, r207. Go figure!

You think I'm spamming the board for hours on end and spending time finding old threads to bump, r209? Really?

You're posting here and reading the thread, are you not? And I would hardly call your posts inherently interesting or constructive.

We can't all be whiny little shits who spam Datalounge with complaints about Meghan & Harry or rightwing propaganda about the LGBT community like you do, R211. Truly, it is our burden to bear.

I see I've really touched a nerve!

Poor dear: happy to dish out the criticism, but so unable to take it...

I've always admired Rowling, and now I admire her so much more. I don't think anything she said can be interpreted as transphobic except by sheeple and/or stupid individuals who don't have the language skills or the basic intellect to understand that what she actually said makes perfect sense and is only arguable by mindless militants.

Rowling said nothing “transphobic”. This orchestrated outrage is phoney.

All the SJW warriors who said they were burning all their Harry Potter books and never buying anything else by JK have been trumped by the thousands of people who bought the new book with no intention of reading it, just to support JK!