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The NYT is Obsessed with trying to understand why people vote for Trump

It's sort of funny--they constantly send reporters out into darkest Flyoverstan to talk to people who still support Trump as if they were trying to understand why cannibals boil missionaries or why some people still believe the earth is flat.

In their little bubble it is inconceivable that anyone could still support Trump and their fascination with these voters often plays out like a bad parody of out of touch liberals.

Granted, we here on DL frequently take the same tone (and I personally still cannot understand his appeal) but we are just posters on a gay gossip site, not the nation's newspaper of record.

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by Anonymousreply 247August 31, 2020 12:57 PM

Of course. This because these supporters wave a flag and call themselves "Patriots" as their leader keeps turning up the heat under them as they slowly boil in the pot. It is simply unreal, this experience. All of the reasons for their support directly conflict with that which he has proven to do and be.

So, yeah- they need to continue their journey in assessing the density of a cabal of supporters that goose step their way into the gas chambers.

by Anonymousreply 1August 26, 2020 1:55 PM

And.... why shouldn't they be? Ill never understand it but it is fascinating to read about it.

by Anonymousreply 2August 26, 2020 1:59 PM

Well to be fair to the NYT, it’s fascinating to watch these people hand over their power and money to a conman.

by Anonymousreply 3August 26, 2020 1:59 PM

Discount and Dismiss Trump voters as a monolithic group at your own peril.

by Anonymousreply 4August 26, 2020 2:01 PM

Very simple.

Who they follow is irrelevant. Mentally deficient white people love overtly racist people in power because they feel slighted. The real mystery here is how and why they feel that way because MOST of them are unable to articulate it.

by Anonymousreply 5August 26, 2020 2:03 PM

They haven't been able to understand this since Reagan. We're sunk. Trump is coming back and there's nothing liberals can do about it. We need a progressive party that breaks off. Ok, after this election, but it's called for

by Anonymousreply 6August 26, 2020 2:08 PM

That person pictured in the article may be names "Robin", but he/she is CERTAINLY a "Pat"...

by Anonymousreply 7August 26, 2020 2:11 PM

R6 Will never happen until their candidates learn some restraint. You have to ease people into shit. I'm looking at you, Sanders.

by Anonymousreply 8August 26, 2020 2:13 PM

[quote] Discount and Dismiss Trump voters as a monolithic group at your own peril.

What are you talking about? Who are you talking about? That's a dumb person's version of a "smart" thing to say.

by Anonymousreply 9August 26, 2020 2:13 PM

Take a look at the alternative and it starts to make sense. Burning cities, 162 genders, white people made to kneel in the streets, and Google, Amazon and the Ivy League on board with it all. No wonder they are desperate for a savior.

by Anonymousreply 10August 26, 2020 2:21 PM

This is worth a read. I'm looking at you NYT and NYT readers!

Quote:

If you’ve found yourself staring into space lately and wondering how the United States arrived at such an ominous, uncertain and unrecognizable moment, Perlstein provides the blueprint.

Before him, our somewhat agreed-upon story went something like this: The oppressive, conformist 1950s led to the freethinking, free-loving 1960s; which led to Republicans losing badly with a hawkish Barry Goldwater, thereby forcing conservatives to redouble their efforts with the working class; all of which paid off when the liberalness of the ’60s was overrun by nihilism of the 1970s and those formerly idealistic armies of campus protestors got jobs, sold out and bought stock.

You’ve heard that story.

It was, in part, “the sunny mini-van commercial vision of the 1960s,” Perlstein says with a wide, laughing smile. “And my triumph, I guess, is that I convinced people that it was all (expletive).”

He retold that narrative in two ways, Iber said. He balanced left-wing activism of the ‘60s with the lesser-known grassroots organizing of the right; he paid attention to seemingly minor conservative victories that lay beneath the Big Chill, leading to the White House. “He also combined political and cultural histories into a narrative that tells how people felt. He wasn’t first. But he did it better.”

That innovation sounds obvious.

But as recently as a couple of decades ago, it wasn’t among the hidebound brotherhood of academic historians, around whom history coagulates. Simply, Perlstein’s story made more sense, not a narrative of political theories and conventions but one where politics and culture merge.

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by Anonymousreply 11August 26, 2020 2:25 PM

They’re right. Someday someone more competent than Trump, but with his same skills at demagoguery, is going to end democracy in America. It’s just a matter of time. The digital age has made it more likely than ever. So wouldn’t it be wrong of them not to pay attention?

by Anonymousreply 12August 26, 2020 2:26 PM

Perlstein focused instead on the roots of the New Right, which evolved into modern conservatism — one aligned with religion, skilled at networking and churning out best-selling manifestos that few liberals even noticed. Actually, by the early ‘90s, remarkably, conservatism remained relatively fresh ground for historians. “For years, after Goldwater was crushed (in the 1964 election), there was a sense among historians he’d been too extremist for Republicans, that his was not a viable future,” said Jim Grossman, executive director of the American Historical Association, the leading professional organization for historians. “But Rick saw (Goldwater) was on to something, that someone like Phyllis Schlafly (the conservative Illinois activist who helped doom the Equal Rights Amendment) would not be easy to dismiss. Which, if you leap ahead, is how you arrive at a figure like (conservative architect) Newt Gingrich, which brings us to a Mitch McConnell.”

by Anonymousreply 13August 26, 2020 2:31 PM

I remember reading the NYT online back in 2016, every day along the front page they ran a big graphic showing Clinton's lead over Trump. She was going to win. The pollsters said it. The experts said it, the political analysts said it. Clinton to win. And then of course....Maybe the NYT is still trying to understand what went wrong.

by Anonymousreply 14August 26, 2020 2:41 PM

Frankly I don't give a shit why these people support Dump. They are not patriots and don't seem to value anything that America was founded on. I am, however, happy to donate to a fund that would help them all relocate to Greenland.

by Anonymousreply 15August 26, 2020 2:47 PM

Here are Trump voters broken down:

The biggest chunk are non-college educated white people who are, more often than not, racist and sexist.

The next chunk are republicans who are going to vote for republicans regardless of who the person is.

The next chunk are people who benefit, personally, in some way from a Trump presidency. Typically economic benefits.

The Trump presidency has tainted many thing these last 4 years, but nothing more so than the New York Times. I really wish I knew what the fuck happened over there.

by Anonymousreply 16August 26, 2020 2:52 PM

Wrong, R6. Trump loses. He won because:

Comey basically called HRC a criminal days before the election.

Ppl hated HRC for one reason or another even before the above. So, they stayed home.

Bernie fans hated HRC for winning, so they stayed home.

Ppl that thought a change was needed (and had no fucking idea what was to come) voted for a "businessman".

HRC STILL WON the popular vote

There was no coronavirus

There were no arrests

There was no Trump exhaustion

He loses. And BIGLY.

Count on it.

by Anonymousreply 17August 26, 2020 2:53 PM

White people are really hurting in this country right now. Just look at the rust belt area and consider the opioid crisis!

It's like The Last Picture Show all over the country!

And nobody cares about the hurt of white people. All of them are considered nazis now.

by Anonymousreply 18August 26, 2020 2:55 PM

They are unrepentant racists. That's it. That's all. They have been proscribed for decades, their racists believes shamed and denounced and contained.

Then Trump came along and let them all out of their box. They love him for normalizing their grotesque hatreds.

All of them need to be shoved back down into their metaphorical box and contained until they die their natural deaths. As for Trump, Romanov him and his foul family.

by Anonymousreply 19August 26, 2020 2:55 PM

The NYT has made some very bad choices lately.

To wit: they got completely bent out of shape over a Tom Cotton op-ed that was overtly fascistic in tone, but Cotton is still a United States Senator. Fired the editor who okayed it.

But then the ran a piece about completely abolishing the police (not defunding them, but 100% getting rid of them, no police at all) by some unknown "activist" which right wing media predictably had a field day with and positioned as "The NYT supports abolishing the police." [FWIW, the piece, at link, was really poorly written and argued.]

Bad choice because I would bet a large sum of money that the vast majority of their readers are as uncomfortable with (if not more) abolishing the police as they are with whatever nonsense Tom Cotton is pushing.

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by Anonymousreply 20August 26, 2020 3:11 PM

There are some excellent comments in this thread.

[quote]The Trump presidency has tainted many thing these last 4 years, but nothing more so than the New York Times. I really wish I knew what the fuck happened over there.

R16 - I'm interested to know more about where you think the NYT wrong/became tainted.

by Anonymousreply 21August 26, 2020 4:17 PM

Nah, they're just using the framing of "trying to understand" as a way to surreptitiously push Trump's ideology in their newspaper.

by Anonymousreply 22August 26, 2020 4:19 PM

OP, know thy enemy

by Anonymousreply 23August 26, 2020 4:23 PM

The ironic thing is that Trump would laugh at the woman pictured at OP and dismiss, reject, and condemn her for not being "hawt". But sure, give your vote to someone who laughs at and despises you.

by Anonymousreply 24August 26, 2020 4:32 PM

I don't think think this is a bad thing to examine what motivates these people, though at this point, if you are a Dump supporter, you are ride or die. There is NOTHING that he can do to lose your support, because literally everything he touches turns to shit. And the rationalizations that these people provide are mind blowing: I'm not in it for his personality; everyone thinks this makes me a racist, but I'm not; well, yes, he did X, but Obama did 100x worse...and on and on it goes. Dump is the current cancer, but some other demagogue type will come along, and they'll latch onto him or her, because that's how they roll....

by Anonymousreply 25August 26, 2020 4:37 PM

[quote]White people are really hurting in this country right now. Just look at the rust belt area and consider the opioid crisis!

So they're hurting and think that lashing out like rabid dogs will save them? Here is the thing that working class white will never understand, they have much more in common with black and brown people than they do with wealthy white republicans. They just do.

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by Anonymousreply 26August 26, 2020 4:57 PM

[quote] So they're hurting and think that lashing out like rabid dogs will save them? Here is the thing that working class white will never understand, they have much more in common with black and brown people than they do with wealthy white republicans.

Democratic elites don't understand that either. They condemn working class whites for being privileged, tell them their working class jobs are not coming back, call them racist, etc. So their choice is between a liar and someone who calls them a dick to their face.

by Anonymousreply 27August 26, 2020 5:04 PM

[quote]Well to be fair to the NYT, it’s fascinating to watch these people hand over their power and money to a conman.

Not really. LBJ told us 60 years ago who these repulsive, racist, white trash assholes truly are.

by Anonymousreply 28August 26, 2020 5:12 PM

[quote] Democratic elites don't understand that either. They condemn working class whites for being privileged, tell them their working class jobs are not coming back, call them racist, etc. So their choice is between a liar and someone who calls them a dick to their face.

This is so frustrating. "Democratic elites" are people like me who make less than $50,000 a year trying to make life better for everyone. We don't condemn people for being privileged. Their jobs are not coming back, so we should lie to them about that? And the best cure to being called racist is to, you know, not be racist.

So go with the people trying to destroy them, not the people trying to help them. I just can't wrap my head around that.

by Anonymousreply 29August 26, 2020 5:15 PM

The right wing of the USA is not all stupid and certainly not going to give up the fight against the radical socialist left. Just not going to happen. Racism comes and goes in all directions. So many BLM hate white people but expect them to support all their wants and desires.

by Anonymousreply 30August 26, 2020 5:16 PM

I'm not voting for Trump but it's not like the current Democratic party is a better option. They both suck.

by Anonymousreply 31August 26, 2020 5:16 PM

[quote] The right wing of the USA is not all stupid and certainly not going to give up the fight against the radical socialist left.

There is nothing to fight. Unless you consider public schools and roads radical socialist ideas.

[quote] Racism comes and goes in all directions. So many BLM hate white people but expect them to support all their wants and desires.

Complete bullshit.

[quote] I'm not voting for Trump but it's not like the current Democratic party is a better option.

Tell us how the Democratic Party is not in any way better. What policies of theirs are as destructive to us?

by Anonymousreply 32August 26, 2020 5:19 PM

R26, Nope. Its the democrats that are hostile to white poeple who dont live in coastal encaves and share the same worldview about everything.

The coastal elites demand 100 conformity on everythint except on homophobia. Homophobia is increasing among them not decreasing.

by Anonymousreply 33August 26, 2020 5:22 PM

The paranoiac right wing, exemplified by several comments on this thread, hears "equality" as a threat and treats it as bigotry against white people. Basically everything for them is a zero-sum game. They never learned to share.

by Anonymousreply 34August 26, 2020 5:23 PM

Could you give an example of this Democrat hostility to white people?

by Anonymousreply 35August 26, 2020 5:24 PM

R27, you need to really just fuck off pretending you don't know what these people want. These people are literally coddled and they still reject Democrats. Obama earmarked money specifically for coal miners, to retrain so that they are prepared to live in the fucking 21st century in a global economy that refuses to regress to their limited skill-set...and they rejected him. Trump took out that money from the budget.

These "white, working class" assholes are in fact too stupid or too racist to accept who they are in this world. Obama gave them affordable healthcare *and they knew that he had* The reaction? They didn't want to give him credit and they still vote Republican.

We have every right to tell them to go to hell at this point because what they want isn't an even playing field. They want to be treated as superior - that was Trump's entire fucking platform. They don't want to have to compete in a capitalist society. They're hypocrites. And not just working class, business owners, too. I know a Republican business owner who got pissed because a competitor opened up about a 1/4 mile away and went to ask him why he had done that. So these jerks don't actually believe in capitalism either.

by Anonymousreply 36August 26, 2020 5:24 PM

Weak-minded, low-intel sheeple looking for Daddy. I'm sure Trump is only one of the many life-altering mistakes these people make regularly.

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by Anonymousreply 37August 26, 2020 5:25 PM

R34, Their whole platform is against non coastal white people.

The reason Pete Buttigieg got so much hate from coastal elites is because he wasn't one of them. He was white, gay,gentile, and midwestern which is the devil in their eyes.

by Anonymousreply 38August 26, 2020 5:27 PM

Calling right wingers assholes and racists is not going to help when there are so many haters on the far left end of the political spectrum. I hope the middle ground voters reject the far ends of both parties and come together and root out the haters and obstructors from both sides. I think it is time for an Independent 3rd party because nothing gets done when one side has the power.

by Anonymousreply 39August 26, 2020 5:27 PM

Um, R30? Without the "radical left", your gay ass would probably be in prison, and your mama would not be allowed to vote.

by Anonymousreply 40August 26, 2020 5:29 PM

[quote] Their whole platform is against non coastal white people.

Be specific. Name one part.

[quote] I hope the middle ground voters reject the far ends of both parties and come together and root out the haters and obstructors from both sides.

Which the Democrats did in rejecting Bernie.

[quote] I think it is time for an Independent 3rd party because nothing gets done when one side has the power.

This cannot work in the American system.

by Anonymousreply 41August 26, 2020 5:30 PM

R41, Does all the talk of evil white men go right over your head, hon?

by Anonymousreply 42August 26, 2020 5:31 PM

[quote] They don't want to have to compete in a capitalist society. They're hypocrites.

I'm pro capitalism but even I admit that tech monopolies are contributing to unprecedented income inequality and are profiting off the labor and contributions of others. We need a balance.

by Anonymousreply 43August 26, 2020 5:32 PM

R35, no, they can't. These white, working class dipshits voted for the most stereotypical coastal elitist in Trump. Born on third, limos/golden apts/private planes, fucked over working people his entire life, looks down on THEM including educated ones (Jeff Sessions -despite his accomplishments was still just a "dumb southerner" to that NY elitist). They voted for him because he was a racist and a bigot who made them feel superior based on skin color. The idiots in this thread who still deny this or rationalize this are no longer worth responding to - they're trolls.They can't defend the indefensible so they continue to play this game of generalizations when I actually gave examples of Obama 8directly* helping the, and they still rejected Dems.

LBJ, LBJ, LBJ knew exactly who they were then, we know who they are now. Don't play the game of these jerk-offs who deny it.

by Anonymousreply 44August 26, 2020 5:32 PM

[quote] Does all the talk of evil white men go right over your head, hon?

Give me an example.

by Anonymousreply 45August 26, 2020 5:33 PM

*directly* helping them*

by Anonymousreply 46August 26, 2020 5:34 PM

R45 I don't need to. You'll see in November.

by Anonymousreply 47August 26, 2020 5:35 PM

[quote] I don't need to. You'll see in November.

So, you have no interest in actually having a conversation. You just want to freely blame Democrats for everything without evidence. Got it.

by Anonymousreply 48August 26, 2020 5:36 PM

Because Wisconsin.

by Anonymousreply 49August 26, 2020 5:37 PM

If you need to see how the coastal elites feel about midwesternern white people' all you had to see was the the media discourse about Pete Buttigieg.

by Anonymousreply 50August 26, 2020 5:37 PM

R48, The democrats do a good enough job making themselves seem raicst and elitist.

by Anonymousreply 51August 26, 2020 5:37 PM

This seems like a deplorable propaganda thread. No fucking rational person understands how anyone could support trump!

by Anonymousreply 52August 26, 2020 5:38 PM

R47, that's such a cop out response. So they're voting based on perception, not reality. And you can't actually point to REALITY ie., an actual example. You were asked for an example, not confirmation of precisely what we said. They want to be coddled and treated as though they are superior.

The economic policies of the GOP are NOT for them and they know it. The Dem policies are clearly for them and they know it...they just don't care because they don't want others who aren't white getting treated the SAME.

by Anonymousreply 53August 26, 2020 5:38 PM

[quote] The democrats do a good enough job making themselves seem raicst and elitist.

You just can't point to any actual evidence. got it.

by Anonymousreply 54August 26, 2020 5:39 PM

Wow, amazing how many here are deplorables.

Are you married, with a fat wife and come on here when she is not looking?

by Anonymousreply 55August 26, 2020 5:40 PM

R54, 2 words: Pete Buttigieg.

by Anonymousreply 56August 26, 2020 5:40 PM

[quote] 2 words: Pete Buttigieg.

Yeah, OK.

by Anonymousreply 57August 26, 2020 5:41 PM

"They want to be coddled and treated as though they are superior."

You mean like the DNC treate black people?

by Anonymousreply 58August 26, 2020 5:42 PM

R48, don't bother. When they deflect and cop out, they're not interested in a lucid debate. Perfect deplorable trolling. They only confirm what we know. I gave an example of how lost these people are by citing precisely what Obama had done for them and they rejected him. They don't have a response. They only know to "like" their own response which isn't even a response. That's what it is to be right-wing these days: Weakness and deflection.

by Anonymousreply 59August 26, 2020 5:43 PM

[quote] You mean like the DNC treate black people?

Equals. Not superior. Equals.

by Anonymousreply 60August 26, 2020 5:44 PM

R54 Let's see. Defunding the police would actually hurt black communities. Lack of educational opportunities for blacks despite greater public school funding. Tokenism instead of activism. Rampant homelessness in big cities that affects mostly minorities. That's for blacks.

In predominatly white communities, you have rising income inequality in big cities, lack of accountability for tech companies that tow the liberal line, proposed reparations, etc.

by Anonymousreply 61August 26, 2020 5:44 PM

R58, again, you give a non-response, merely hyperbole. I pointed to Obama and what he had done for coal miners. I also pointed to healthcare which many *knew* Obama gave them and they still voted GOP.

YOUR TURN. Which Dem policies specifically benefits black people and not others.

by Anonymousreply 62August 26, 2020 5:45 PM

Deplorables should do the rest of us a favor and die. They ruin everything and are always on the wrong side of history. Truly too stupid and hateful to live.

by Anonymousreply 63August 26, 2020 5:46 PM

And all of this is Democratic Party policy and due to Democrats, r61?

by Anonymousreply 64August 26, 2020 5:46 PM

Can you imagine of Democrats pushed their party to be better and do better instead of nominateing old corrupted rapists like Joe Biden?

What a world that would be!

by Anonymousreply 65August 26, 2020 5:48 PM

[quote] The NYT is Obsessed with trying to understand why people vote for Trump

Yet I haven't seen a single NYT article about people in the floyover states who have been harmed by Trump, or bemoan the lost of the once powerful Democratic voting bloc of white union workers, etc. I think they did exactly one on people who voted Trump and are reconsidering their choice. But they've ignored most of the rest of the country.

I haven't seen a single NYT article about anyone so harmed by Trump, his followers or his policies that they've left the country (though I know they exist).

The NYT's appeasement of this ugliness, in the name of "fair and balanced reporting," is the scariest parallel to Nazi Germany. We've had a few years of it already, and eventually, as the NYT continues to shift right and things like OAN emerge, our free press will become a discarded "lugenpresse."

by Anonymousreply 66August 26, 2020 5:49 PM

[quote] Can you imagine of Democrats pushed their party to be better and do better instead of nominateing old corrupted rapists like Joe Biden?

Can you imagine if you had an actual argument based in reality and wasn't supporting an actual rapist like Trump?

by Anonymousreply 67August 26, 2020 5:50 PM

[quote]lack of accountability for tech companies that tow the liberal line

You're the one who claimed you're a capitalist, aren't you? Your issue isn't their monopoly, it's their perceived political ideology...because you didn't mention other industries. So transparent.

by Anonymousreply 68August 26, 2020 5:50 PM

[quote]It's sort of funny--they constantly send reporters out into darkest Flyoverstan to talk to people who still support Trump as if they were trying to understand why cannibals boil missionaries or why some people still believe the earth is flat.

Of course, the problem is that there is literally no rational reason for these people to support Trump, so trying to understand WHY they support him on any rational level is a complete waste of time. It can be argued that reports like this NY Times article are valuable in reminding us that SO MANY people are ignorant and irrational enough to support Trump, but sadly I think most of us already know that.

[quote]When they deflect and cop out, they're not interested in a lucid debate. Perfect deplorable trolling. They only confirm what we know. I gave an example of how lost these people are by citing precisely what Obama had done for them and they rejected him. They don't have a response. They only know to "like" their own response which isn't even a response.

Exactly. It's maddening, which is why I long ago gave up any attempt to reason with these people.

[quote]Can you imagine of Democrats pushed their party to be better and do better instead of nominateing old corrupted rapists like Joe Biden? What a world that would be!

Case in point. Biden has never been accused of anything approaching rape, whereas Trump has been.

by Anonymousreply 69August 26, 2020 5:51 PM

R67, i'm not supporting Trump so I'm not playing the "My rapist isn't as bad as your rapist," game with you.

by Anonymousreply 70August 26, 2020 5:51 PM

OMG, rapist Biden? That's it. Fucking cunt troll. Ignore.

by Anonymousreply 71August 26, 2020 5:52 PM

And this troll is even liking his own posts - psycho.

by Anonymousreply 72August 26, 2020 5:52 PM

The Biden's a rapist troll is undoubtedly a butthurt Berner.

by Anonymousreply 73August 26, 2020 5:56 PM

I read that the people who support Trump, have authoritarian tendencies. They look at him almost like a father figure, who will protect them. They are blind to who he really is and what he has been doing because he is their protector. Unfortunately, their support of him is destroying our country.

by Anonymousreply 74August 26, 2020 6:00 PM

[quote] i'm not supporting Trump so I'm not playing the "My rapist isn't as bad as your rapist," game with you.

By baselessly calling Biden a rapist you are supporting Trump. Because the "game" is not "my rapist isn't as bad as your rapist." It's "My guy is not a rapist, you lying sack of shit."

by Anonymousreply 75August 26, 2020 6:00 PM

Bernie supporters are even lower than deplorables because I have no idea what they fucking stand for when they prop up someone who is the complete antithesis of what they stand for (Trump) by demonizing the one who is closer to their ideology (Biden).

How in the hell do you scream about a jaywalker and ignore the drunk driver who just killed s bunch of people?

I actually believe in some of Bernie's policies, his supporters clearly do not if they attack Biden and have no concern about Trump.

They're the Evangelicals of political ideology. They don't actually believe in what they preach.

by Anonymousreply 76August 26, 2020 6:05 PM

Michael Moore already did this, and in 2016. Nobody gave a fuck or wanted to listen to him, probably because he refused to characterize all Trump voters as racists or neo-Nazis.

I'm sure one of you will be along soon to explain how Moore is an alt-right shill.

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by Anonymousreply 77August 26, 2020 6:07 PM

[quote]Can you imagine of Democrats pushed their party to be better and do better instead of nominateing old corrupted rapists like Joe Biden?

the ad hominem attack is as unnecessary as it is fallacious. biden's platform is further left than anything seen of a presidential candidate - prove me wrong.

by Anonymousreply 78August 26, 2020 6:09 PM

R75 is an example of why we need change in the party. He is blatantly denying what Biden did to Tara Reade. When you lie, you condone. That makes you mo better than the Trumpists that you think you're superior to.

by Anonymousreply 79August 26, 2020 6:11 PM

when I was in high school and there were student body president elections, some class clown thought it'd be funny to nominate another class clown, whom I recall ran on a platform of 'no homework, longer recess'

everyone laughed; this wasn't the local public high school, but a Catholic college prep school; it cost money to go there.

A lot of the people who vote for Trump now are the idiots I went to h.s. with. It's that simple.

plus, they're racist

by Anonymousreply 80August 26, 2020 6:13 PM

[quote] He is blatantly denying what Biden did to Tara Reade.

Biden did nothing to this documented serial liar.

by Anonymousreply 81August 26, 2020 6:14 PM

Maybe Tara's mom is time traveler and went back to 1993 to tell Larry king a story about her daughter being assulted by a senator.

by Anonymousreply 82August 26, 2020 6:19 PM

[quote] the ad hominem attack is as unnecessary as it is fallacious. biden's platform is further left than anything seen of a presidential candidate - prove me wrong.

Speaking of logical fallacies:

Burden of proof is one type of fallacy in which someone makes a claim, but puts the burden of proof onto the other side. ... In a logical argument, if someone states a claim, it is up to that person to prove the truth of his or her claim.

by Anonymousreply 83August 26, 2020 6:21 PM

R79 Tara Reid has zero credibility

by Anonymousreply 84August 26, 2020 6:23 PM

Which version of the story would that be? The one where Biden pushed her into an alcove that doesn't exist? He should have just taken her to the basement of a pizza parlor that doesn't have a basement.

by Anonymousreply 85August 26, 2020 6:23 PM

Someone commented about the DNC and black people. Here is the difference. Black people are reliably democrats. They vote and support the Democratic Party and the party tries to give back when they can. The RNC has a lock on the white working class, but what does the Republican Party give back to the white working class? And don’t say bullshit like low taxes, because poor people never benefit from republican tax cuts. In fact, if you look at it, the white working class does better under democrats than republicans — even though the white working class never returns the love.

by Anonymousreply 86August 26, 2020 6:24 PM

The NY Times is a relic of the mid twentieth century. They still pursue that forgotten notion that if you publish an article that seems to slant left, you must immediately publish one that slants right.

What's most interesting about the Times is how they have been wrong about everything over the years. Go back and look at how they treated slavery, women's rights (and voting), black issues, gay issues, and you'll see that they were always in the wrong until society pushed itself forward, and the Times corrected itself to catch up.

In 50 years, if the Times still exists, their coverage of Trump will look as silly as their coverage of almost everything else in years gone by.

by Anonymousreply 87August 26, 2020 6:27 PM

R81, Tara Reade actually got fired because she was arrested for passing bad checks and she had to have a security clearance for her job working for Biden, who was in Congress then. People with an arrest record lost their security clearance. They found out about the arrest shortly after it happened and fired her.

Then she lied to her family for years after she was fired and they couldn’t understand why she lost her job. She didn’t want to tell them she was arrested, so at first she told them someone at work sexually harassed her without giving the name. Then, recently, the GOP must have dug up that story and approached her to name the “harasser” as Biden. She was never harassed by anyone, she just didn’t want to admit to her family she was fired for cause from a really good job. And she couldn’t work in a similar job for anyone, because she lost her security clearance. So she couldn’t work on the Hill at all, for anyone. She claimed she was “blackballed,” when in reality she lost her security clearance and became unemployable in her chosen field. She probably had hard times after that and her family just couldn’t understand what happened, so she made something up. She has an arrest record under her previous (married) name.

Someone knew her previous name and ran a check on her.

by Anonymousreply 88August 26, 2020 6:32 PM

You can not argue with the politics of white resentment. In a nation that is 70+ percent non Hispanic white. Where whites own everything and run everything. Where the average white family is worth 10 times more than the average black family. Whites will continue to believe that they are perpetual victims of the mon white population. Right wing talk radio and Fox News have spent 30 yrs validating their prejudices and that message. They will continue to vote for economic policies that don’t benefit them and then blame nonwhites for all of their problems. They would rather burn this country to the ground, than have racial equality.

by Anonymousreply 89August 26, 2020 6:32 PM

R89, your attacks on Tara Reade are textbook deflection. Nobody said she's perfect.

by Anonymousreply 90August 26, 2020 6:34 PM

That's not deflection. That's evidence. She lied.

by Anonymousreply 91August 26, 2020 6:35 PM

[quote] They would rather burn this country to the ground, than have racial equality.

They're getting their wish.

[quote] Whites will continue to believe that they are perpetual victims of the mon white population

Actually, the blame is more acccurately on the bougie upper class whites and very rich globalist folks. Divide and conquer has been a nifty tool since Reconstruction and they keep using it. Otherwise, something terrible might happen: working class/poor whites might realize they should band together with working class/poor blacks, and then the rich would have a much harder time controlling the masses.

by Anonymousreply 92August 26, 2020 6:36 PM

T89, In reverse, poot democrats will contunue to support politicians like Kamala Harris and Joe Biden who only use racial politics to manipulate them and only care about serving their donors not their voters.

by Anonymousreply 93August 26, 2020 6:37 PM

R89 didn’t “attack” Tara Reade, and neither did anybody else. She’s a liar, and that’s a fact. And her family appears to have honestly never known what really happened.

She does have an arrest record, and she would have lost her security clearance for it according to the rules, and everyone in DC understands that’s how it is. No one is “attacking her.”

by Anonymousreply 94August 26, 2020 6:37 PM

R88, You sound like crazed Michael Jackson defender or a scientology when they "Fair game" their critics.

The DNC is so fucked.

by Anonymousreply 95August 26, 2020 6:38 PM

[quote] Someone commented about the DNC and black people. Here is the difference. Black people are reliably democrats. They vote and support the Democratic Party and the party tries to give back when they can.

Average Americans, regardless of race, make greater gains under Democratic administrations. However, the majority of those gains go to whites. Let’s not pretend that the Democratic Party is offering special goodies to black voters.

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by Anonymousreply 96August 26, 2020 6:39 PM

[quote] You sound like crazed Michael Jackson defender or a scientology when they "Fair game" their critics.

There was nothing crazed about that post. The poster laid out simple irrefutable facts. If you have some evidence that he is wrong, present it.

by Anonymousreply 97August 26, 2020 6:40 PM

[quote] [R88], You sound like crazed Michael Jackson defender or a scientology when they "Fair game" their critics. The DNC is so fucked.

Please stop entertaining this Tara Reade supporter.

by Anonymousreply 98August 26, 2020 6:43 PM

Racism comes and goes in all directions. So many BLM hate white people but expect them to support all their wants and desires.

Complete bullshit.

R32 If I may put it generously you are a fucking moron.

by Anonymousreply 99August 26, 2020 6:43 PM

R97, i believe you believe those things are true. I don't. Victims of powerful men are alwyas treated this way.

Sigh.

by Anonymousreply 100August 26, 2020 6:43 PM

Again:

You can not argue with the politics of white resentment. In a nation that is 70+ percent non Hispanic white. Where whites own everything and run everything. Where the average white family is worth 10 times more than the average black family. Whites will continue to believe that they are perpetual victims of the mon white population. Right wing talk radio and Fox News have spent 30 yrs validating their prejudices and that message. They will continue to vote for economic policies that don’t benefit them and then blame nonwhites for all of their problems. They would rather burn this country to the ground, than have racial equality.

by Anonymousreply 101August 26, 2020 6:45 PM

[quote] Sigh.

In other words you believe whatever you want to believe.

[quote] If I may put it generously you are a fucking moron.

You have convinced me with all your reasoned evidence. /s

by Anonymousreply 102August 26, 2020 6:46 PM

R101 The extremes factor into the average. There is much greater income disparity among whites than any other group. You're goal is simply to divide people among their race and create racial strife.

by Anonymousreply 103August 26, 2020 7:00 PM

And again, I say the same thing to R101 as I said in R92.

by Anonymousreply 104August 26, 2020 7:01 PM

this is why people vote for trump, all the noise, and then he brays and they come to his calling

by Anonymousreply 105August 26, 2020 7:05 PM

[quote] [R101] The extremes factor into the average. There is much greater income disparity among whites than any other group. You're goal is simply to divide people among their race and create racial strife.

The red herring fallacy is a logical fallacy where someone presents an irrelevant piece of information in an attempt to distract their opponent and the audience from the topic that is being discussed, or to shift the discussion in a new direction.

by Anonymousreply 106August 26, 2020 7:10 PM

Again:

You can not argue with the politics of white resentment. In a nation that is 70+ percent non Hispanic white. Where whites own everything and run everything. Where the average white family is worth 10 times more than the average black family. Whites will continue to believe that they are perpetual victims of the mon white population. Right wing talk radio and Fox News have spent 30 yrs validating their prejudices and that message. They will continue to vote for economic policies that don’t benefit them and then blame nonwhites for all of their problems. They would rather burn this country to the ground, than have racial equality.

by Anonymousreply 107August 26, 2020 7:10 PM

[quote] victims of the mon white population

If you are going to keep posting that, can you fix that typo in the middle?

by Anonymousreply 108August 26, 2020 7:14 PM

[quote] You're the one who claimed you're a capitalist, aren't you? Your issue isn't their monopoly, it's their perceived political ideology...because you didn't mention other industries. So transparent.

You can be pro capitalism and still be for fair trade and people being fairly compensated for their labor.

And I don't object to their political ideology. I just think it's fair to call them out when they preach about racial equality yet profit off of overseas slave labor or write a guilt check that supposedly absolves them of all financial responsibility.

by Anonymousreply 109August 26, 2020 7:18 PM

[quote] If you are going to keep posting that, can you fix that typo in the middle?

Nope.

by Anonymousreply 110August 26, 2020 7:18 PM

Yea. Trump is shit. Only retards don’t know that. What happened to all of the gossip? When did this place turn into buzzfeed?

by Anonymousreply 111August 26, 2020 7:18 PM

[quote] Nope.

OK.

by Anonymousreply 112August 26, 2020 7:20 PM

Correct spelling is a form of white supremacy.

by Anonymousreply 113August 26, 2020 7:21 PM

Yeah. A polite request is a virtual hate crime.

by Anonymousreply 114August 26, 2020 7:25 PM

Over-correction is not the answer to racism.

by Anonymousreply 115August 26, 2020 7:32 PM

[quote] Over-correction is not the answer to racism.

You're right. Posting about racism on this internet site is.

(And what the fuck is "over-correction"?)

by Anonymousreply 116August 26, 2020 7:34 PM

[quote] Correct spelling is a form of white supremacy.

[quote] Yeah. A polite request is a virtual hate crime.

[quote] If you are going to keep posting that, can you fix that typo in the middle?

You obviously have nothing of value to add to this conversation.

[quote] Over-correction is not the answer to racism.

The United States has neither corrected, nor “over” corrected.

by Anonymousreply 117August 26, 2020 7:37 PM

You need help.

by Anonymousreply 118August 26, 2020 7:39 PM

I am a “Coastal Elite” and absolutely there is talk of flyoverstans and general disrespect for the middle of the country. Then of course everyone wonders why they vote against their self interest.

Lower income people place a large emphasis on respect. (This is true for all races). So they bristle when people call them uneducated and dumb. That may be true, you can’t change people’s minds by looking down at them and insulting them.

The NY Times unfortunately is an advocacy paper now. Too bad because it used to be a great paper.

by Anonymousreply 119August 26, 2020 7:42 PM

I do think it's hilarious how out of touch liberals are so confused by the fact that crazy people do in fact exist, but I also don't think ignoring Trump supporters and treating them like they aren't a danger that needs to be understood is a good idea. We tried that in 2015-2016 when everyone thought there was no way lunatic Trump and his lunatic supporters could ever possibly win. Look where that got us.

by Anonymousreply 120August 26, 2020 7:52 PM

White boomers and genxers lost their minds. They want a return to the 80s

by Anonymousreply 121August 26, 2020 7:57 PM

When the radical left can only name call others whom they disagree with, they have lost a big part of the argument. They do it at their own peril. If Biden gets elected and the far left wing starts demanding all kinds of changes that don't sit well with the other 85% of the country, the midterms will be a bloodbath and they will lose the House and Senate back to the Republicans. They just don't seem to care and prefer to sit and stew and name call. Working with you opponents and not name calling them is the way to go.

by Anonymousreply 122August 26, 2020 8:02 PM

Yeah, you are out of your mind, r122. The Democratic Party is offering specific things, not name-calling. The RNC literally has NO platform. Biden is not under the control of the "far left," no matter how many times you pretend he is.

All of your concern is about made-up nonsense.

by Anonymousreply 123August 26, 2020 8:05 PM

R122 I would agree in principle, but the Democrats tried that in 2008. The Republicans won’t play along. Obama naively tried bipartisanship.

by Anonymousreply 124August 26, 2020 8:06 PM

The party of "do everything to make Obama a one-term president no matter how much it harms the country" now wants the Dems to "work with them" if they are in the minority.

by Anonymousreply 125August 26, 2020 8:07 PM

Sorry-- had no idea this would turn into a Troll Thread

by Anonymousreply 126August 26, 2020 8:12 PM

Some of you seem so content with division. I don't get it. What good does turning the country into a battleground for the extremist left and the extremist right do? Is moderation such a horrible thing that it's worth completely upending society to avoid it?

by Anonymousreply 127August 26, 2020 8:13 PM

Who is against moderation in this thread, r127?

by Anonymousreply 128August 26, 2020 8:16 PM

R128 Clearly R125 is since they completely dismissed the idea of the two parties working together.

by Anonymousreply 129August 26, 2020 8:17 PM

R48, type in "all white people are racist" and you will see what's been happening to WORKING CLASS white people. All of our problems can be reduced to the 1% elites who are afraid of the 99%. They use all of the isms and phobias as a divide and conquer strategy to silence white working class people into submission so that they accept slave labor from mega monopolies like Apple.

Sarah Jeong is a great example of this. She is a a part of the top 10% of the US, attended one of the most prestigious universities in the world and got a job as an editor at one of the most celebrated newspapers worldwide. This is what the elites think of ALL white people who make less money than them. Her twitter was filled with highly racist, bigoted, nasty language toward the white race.

'Dumbass fucking white people marking up the internet with their opinions like dogs pissing on fire hydrants

Are white people genetically predisposed to burn faster in the sun, thus logically only being fit to live underground like groveling goblins?

Oh man it's kind of sick how much joy I get being cruel to old white men

Every time I see a bald white kid, I secretly hope he has leukemia and do my little private "end zone" dance.'

When she was called out, this was NYT's response:

"We hired Sarah Jeong because of the exceptional work she has done covering the internet and technology at a range of respected publications.

Her journalism and the fact that she is a young Asian woman have made her a subject of frequent online harassment. For a period of time she responded to that harassment by imitating the rhetoric of her harassers. She sees now that this approach only served to feed the vitriol that we too often see on social media. She regrets it, and The Times does not condone it.

We had candid conversations with Sarah as part of our thorough vetting process, which included a review of her social media history. She understands that this type of rhetoric is not acceptable at The Times and we are confident that she will be an important voice for the editorial board moving forward."

So they REVIEWED her social media, read the tweets, and hired her. What does that about what the NYT thinks of the white race?

Jeong also issued her own statement, characterizing the Tweets as "satire" and, at times, "counter-trolling" that was intended not for a general audience. She explained, "As a woman of color on the internet, I have faced torrents of online hate, often along this vein," and offered these Tweets as evidence:

"I engaged in what I thought of at the time of counter-trolling. While it was intended as satire, I deeply regret that I mimicked the language of my harassers. These comments were not aimed at a general audience, because general audiences do not engage in harassment campaigns. I can understand how hurtful these posts are out of context, and would not do it again."

That's interesting. Her racist tweets were not in reply to anyone else on the platform, they were simply tweets she posted on her page. Who was she talking to? Herself.

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by Anonymousreply 130August 26, 2020 8:18 PM

[quote] Clearly [R125] is since they completely dismissed the idea of the two parties working together.

Bullshit. One party would be happy to work with the other. The other party holds the entire country hostage to get its way and only its way. Take your bothsiderism elsewhere.

by Anonymousreply 131August 26, 2020 8:20 PM

[quote] I am a “Coastal Elite” and absolutely there is talk of flyoverstans and general disrespect for the middle of the country. Then of course everyone wonders why they vote against their self interest. Lower income people place a large emphasis on respect. (This is true for all races). So they bristle when people call them uneducated and dumb. That may be true, you can’t change people’s minds by looking down at them and insulting them. The NY Times unfortunately is an advocacy paper now. Too bad because it used to be a great paper.

Bullshit. You’re attempting to justify their self perceived victimhood. They are victimizing themselves.

You can not argue with the politics of white resentment. In a nation that is 70+ percent non Hispanic white. Where whites own everything and run everything. Where the average white family is worth 10 times more than the average black family. Whites will continue to believe that they are perpetual victims of the mon white population. Right wing talk radio and Fox News have spent 30 yrs validating their prejudices and that message. They will continue to vote for economic policies that don’t benefit them and then blame nonwhites for all of their problems. They would rather burn this country to the ground, than have racial equality.

by Anonymousreply 132August 26, 2020 8:20 PM

R48 but wait! There's more! So much more

White People: Here’s Why Moving to a “Good School” in a “Good Neighborhood” Is Racist

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by Anonymousreply 133August 26, 2020 8:22 PM

Now, now, R130. I'm sure if that nice lady had written things like,

[italic] Oh man it's kind of sick how much joy I get being cruel to old black men[/italic]

and

[italic]Every time I see a bald black kid, I secretly hope he has leukemia and do my little private "end zone" dance.' [/italic]

that the Times would have been just as likely to hire her for an important public-facing position. I'm sure there's no anti-white bias there! You must be a DeploraBoris!

by Anonymousreply 134August 26, 2020 8:23 PM

White People Are Responsible for Racism

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by Anonymousreply 135August 26, 2020 8:24 PM

Dear White People, Stop Pretending That Reverse Racism Is Real.

"It's literally impossible to be racist to a white person."

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by Anonymousreply 136August 26, 2020 8:25 PM

R133 I always find the policing of where white people choose to live by the woke hilarious, considering how white people are fucked either way in that scenario.

You're trying to move out of the city and into the suburbs so that you can live in a "nicer, quieter neighborhood" and send your kids to a "good school"? White Flight! That must mean you don't want your kids to be around diversity, you white supremacist scum!

You're staying in the city so that your kid can experience "diversity" and be "well rounded" and "not live in a bubble"? Gentrification! Stop gentrifying and invading neighborhoods in the city where people of color live, you white privileged scum! Pack it up and move out of people of color's living areas, sharing your area with them is a microagression!

Damned if they do, damned if they don't. Hilarious.

by Anonymousreply 137August 26, 2020 8:27 PM

Opera Can No Longer Ignore Its Race Problem

(Tl;dr: too many people with white skin in opera)

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by Anonymousreply 138August 26, 2020 8:27 PM

I forgot to add the "colonizer" insult, which is the cherry on top of the bullshit pie, but I think I got my point across.

by Anonymousreply 139August 26, 2020 8:28 PM

The weirdest thing about all these articles, juxtaposed, is this:

Wypipo are inherently racist, oppressive scum who poison everything they touch

BUT

If they move away and leave "black and brown people" to themselves, it's inherently racist and oppressive "white flight."

Why would anyone want to live with inherently racist, oppressive scum? Shouldn't it be cause for celebration when they fuck off to their own places and leave you alone?

by Anonymousreply 140August 26, 2020 8:29 PM

White People, Please Stop Declaring Yourself Allies

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by Anonymousreply 141August 26, 2020 8:29 PM

Why all white people are racist, but can't handle being called racist

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by Anonymousreply 142August 26, 2020 8:30 PM

Bernie Bros Eat Shit

by Anonymousreply 143August 26, 2020 8:33 PM

'There Is No Neutral': 'Nice White People' Can Still Be Complicit In A Racist Society

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by Anonymousreply 144August 26, 2020 8:34 PM

[quote] they completely dismissed the idea of the two parties working together.

I don't think I have ever once, in my whole entire lifetime, witnessed the Republican party ever making any attempt to work with Democrats.

by Anonymousreply 145August 26, 2020 8:34 PM

R137, we must have been writing at the same time.

To sum up:

Wypipo stay where they are = redlining and preventing POC from coming to the neighborhood. Evil!

Wypipo move in = gentrification, displacing POC. Racist!

Wypipo move out = white flight. White devils! Evil! Racist!

by Anonymousreply 146August 26, 2020 8:34 PM

'I Refuse to Listen to White Women Cry’

Activist Rachel Cargle has built a brand — and a business — by calling out racial injustices within feminism

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by Anonymousreply 147August 26, 2020 8:35 PM

I believe history will repeat itself if both sides don't start working together. This is not good news for anyone. The far left needs to let the main part of the Dem party govern and not demand so much, especially in the first year. Let's get some wins on the board before the midterms.

by Anonymousreply 148August 26, 2020 8:36 PM

[quote] I believe history will repeat itself if both sides don't start working together.

Yeah. Good luck with getting Republicans on board with that. They keep expecting Democrats to extend olive branches to them -- which Democrats have done numerous times -- while never returning the same.

by Anonymousreply 149August 26, 2020 8:41 PM

R133, I must've read about a hundred think pieces over the years about how black children underperform when they attend school with whites, because.... let's see.... Systemic racism. White teachers. White-ass curriculum. White kids are bullies. Culturally insensitive books, language, food, etc.

Fair 'nuff. So why the outcry when white parents want to take their kids to a whiter school district? Why no celebration? Certainly, with black-run schools and black teachers, black students can finally take their rightful place and thrive scholastically without the White Devil to hold them back.

How is it "racist" to take your oppressive white ass far away from the black students you've been holding back?

by Anonymousreply 150August 26, 2020 8:41 PM

R150 Your theory would be an equitable and fair one IF, and only IF, schools were funded equally and equitably in the United States.

But in nearly every area, schools are funded by the local tax dollars of that community. So when more affluent students are in their own districts, then those schools get funded to a level which supports a great school - great teachers, great support programs for students needing extra care, arts and athletic activities, and so on.

A school in a more impoverished area gets funding based on *its* tax base, which is considerably less. So the students, who may already be facing challenges with housing and food deprivation, come into a school with fewer resources. No support for students that often need the help. Teachers that are sometimes great, sometimes not.

Basically, a lot of shit that's happened in education since 1950 has found a way to keep the segregated school systems and resources intact as much as possible, just in legal ways or ways not as overtly racist.

by Anonymousreply 151August 26, 2020 8:48 PM

The gist that I get from the Trumpian grievances on this thread is that while Democrats are concerned about the coronavirus, helping the working class, affordable healthcare during a pandemic, affordable education, and addressing climate change, Republicans meanwhile seem preoccupied with feelings of self-victimization and the rantings of people on Twitter.

by Anonymousreply 152August 26, 2020 8:52 PM

[quote] I don't think I have ever once, in my whole entire lifetime, witnessed the Republican party ever making any attempt to work with Democrats.

Even in these polarizing teams, I've seen Democrats and Republicans unite on more issues than they did during the Bush administration. Biden has started promoting more American manufacturing, Democrats and Republicans (non mainstream unfortunately) have supported a withdrawal of our troops, most are united against fighting terrorism. On other issues, they agree on the goal but differ in terms of strategy. Issues that prove divisive are the ones that drive the most media coverage, guns, religion, and abortion. Racism remains the most divisive tactic. It's utilized mostly by the left.

by Anonymousreply 153August 26, 2020 9:01 PM

[quote] Biden has started promoting more American manufacturing,

Of course, a Democrat. Republicans promote tax cuts for corporations who outsource labor to other countries.

[quote] Democrats and Republicans (non mainstream unfortunately) have supported a withdrawal of our troops,

How convenient of the Republicans to do such a quick about-face after the Republican-led quagmires of Iraq and Afghanistan.

by Anonymousreply 154August 26, 2020 9:07 PM

[quote]Take a look at the alternative and it starts to make sense. Burning cities, 162 genders, white people made to kneel in the streets, and Google, Amazon and the Ivy League on board with it all. No wonder they are desperate for a savior.

This is a big part of it. The Democratic Party has moved too far left for many people, and it should have never given a platform to the loudest extremists like Sanders and AOC.

Many moderates started to turn against Obama when he started talking endlessly about Tranny bathrooms and he refused to acknowledge Islamic terrorism. This is certainly not all of Trump's base, but it certainly accounts for many of the white voters in the Swing States who thought Obama was pandering too much to the far-left so they voted for a change in the form of Trump.

The same thing is happening this year with Black Lives Matters. Don't think that people aren't seeing the hypocrisy of burning down cities over some police shootings, while blatantly ignoring the endless Black-on-Black murders and violence that happens EVERY SINGLE DAY.

by Anonymousreply 155August 26, 2020 9:16 PM

The Times does these stories to look impartial. To prevent the public from realizing we are an arm of the Democratic National Party.

by Anonymousreply 156August 26, 2020 9:23 PM

[quote] The Democratic Party has moved too far left for many people

How ironic coming from a party which now cozies up to a rogue enemy nation who puts bounties on American soldiers' heads, has led the world's most disastrous coronavirus response in the world (leading to over 170,000 American deaths), and has taken the unprecedented move in actively attempting to prevent American voters from participating in a presidential election.

But I guess AOC said something mean on Twitter, so all things are equal!

by Anonymousreply 157August 26, 2020 9:24 PM

R157 We could have and should have been more prepared but the response to the coronavirus has not been the worst in the world. That's blatantly false.

by Anonymousreply 158August 26, 2020 9:27 PM

Well, R157, hopefully this year a majority of people will decide that the Republicans have moved too far right and will vote Democratic this year. If Biden wins, Democrats should NOT take that as a mandate that people want extremist Sanders-style policies.

by Anonymousreply 159August 26, 2020 9:29 PM

I am a moderate Democrat. I hate politics and the fringes of both parties. I am often disgusted and terrified by the extreme left wing of the party. I am not alone. I don't care what people think about any of this when I am in the voting booth. I guess I will see how things are going when it is time to vote.

by Anonymousreply 160August 26, 2020 9:57 PM

R155, I don't know if it's "too far left" or "lost in the weeds."

To me, "too far left" would suggest something like creating an NHS or a universal guaranteed income, or other socialist policies (whether you think those are too far left or not, they could be perceived or spun as far-left).

"Lost in the weeds" would be things like harping on tranny bathrooms, as you mentioned. No matter what the average swing voter thinks about transgender rights, it's just not top of mind for most people, who are concerned with jobs, education, immigration, etc. And it sucks all the air out of the room and creates a huge opening for Rs ranting about pandering, etc.

by Anonymousreply 161August 26, 2020 9:59 PM

R160, how very interesting and curious that as a moderate "Democrat" you seem to only attack Democrats and seem to have no criticism whatsoever about the Republican party who currently holds the power in this country. Your post, in fact, reads like a template copied and pasted from a troll factory. How very curious indeed.

by Anonymousreply 162August 26, 2020 10:01 PM

"I am often disgusted and terrified by the extreme left wing of the party."

jesus, you people really need to try inject some nuance into your trolling.

by Anonymousreply 163August 26, 2020 10:01 PM

"I am often disgusted and terrified by the extreme left wing of the party."

jesus, you people really need to try inject some nuance into your trolling.

by Anonymousreply 164August 26, 2020 10:01 PM

R162 How sad you think I am part of a troll factory and don't take seriously my concerns about the far left of the Dem party when I am a moderate Dem. This makes me certain that the far left Dems will ultimately be the cause of their own demise. I have no interest in criticizing the Republicans since I am not part of their party. I am a Dem and a concerned one who fears the far end of the party will destroy the larger part. Too bad for you that you don't get that. Name calling me proves you cannot defend this far left wing either. Focus on yourself.

by Anonymousreply 165August 26, 2020 10:06 PM

The AOCs, the Bernie Sanders, the Tranny Brigade pronoun-police on the Left... they're all just as awful as the Ted Cruz, the Tom Cottons, the anti-abortion extremists on the Right.

by Anonymousreply 166August 26, 2020 10:06 PM

[quote] don't take seriously my concerns

Oh, dear. I'm seriously concerned about your diction.

by Anonymousreply 167August 26, 2020 10:08 PM

R167 Wow. That is all you got, funny. I can only imagine who ugly on the outside you are to match your inside.

by Anonymousreply 168August 26, 2020 10:10 PM

[quote] I have no interest in criticizing the Republicans since I am not part of their party.

If this is true, then an idiot is exactly what you are. I feel second-hand embarrassment for your stupidity.

by Anonymousreply 169August 26, 2020 10:13 PM

"I can only imagine who ugly on the outside you are to match your inside."

Your stilted syntax makes it painfully obvious that English is not your first language, дорогой тролль.

by Anonymousreply 170August 26, 2020 10:19 PM

R169 and 170. Please, just because I think the far left liberal wing is going to cause the downfall of the Dem party at some point does not make your opinions anything more than clucking noise. I believe you are a coward because you feel tough calling others names. You have made no other point. Thanks for your interest in me, the attention is sweet.

by Anonymousreply 171August 26, 2020 10:26 PM

I am Lifelong American Patriotic Democrat concerning with the Democrat Party.

by Anonymousreply 172August 26, 2020 10:29 PM

OMG you are relly stupid LOLOL! Take some Seroquel for your paranoid schizophrenia and go fuck your dog's arse!

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by Anonymousreply 173August 26, 2020 10:31 PM

All that these people care about is Me-Me-Me. They're not interested in democracy. They don't care about the damage Trump's policies inflict on other people. They are concerned only with themselves which is why you see these morons walking around without masks.

by Anonymousreply 174August 26, 2020 11:01 PM

I'm black, gay, and a moderate democrat. I don't know any black people who hate white people. I don't know any black people who want to defund the police. I don't know any black people who are pissed off about Gone With The Wind.

What black people are pissed off about, or at least the black people I know, is that for years you've been gaslighting us and telling us that you're not racist. That we're seeing racism where none exists. That we can't take a joke. That we're all treated the same.

Then, enter Steve Jobs who decided to stick a camera on a phone. Now, after all these years, we finally have video proof... and to your credit, many of you are finally getting it.

I don't think black people are asking for anything special. Just stop killing us. When black people commit the same crimes as white people, give them the same sentences or lack of sentences that the white people get. When we run for office, stop questioning our citizenship. You say we're equals, then lets be equals.

by Anonymousreply 175August 26, 2020 11:03 PM

Defunding police won't hurt ANY community because it's NOT about taking away money for essentials. It's not about reducing the police force.

But you couldn't look that up, right? Because it's not as effective as saying Blacks want to get rid of the police. It's funny how they go on about "ALL lives matter--not just Black lives," but the second a Black person gets shot 7 times in the back, it's "They (police) were following protocol. They shouldn't have resisted" I mean...not even a "why didn't they shoot him in the leg?"

Not making this about race--just showing the complete lack of awareness of what comes out of these people's mouths.

The truly ironic thing is...Trump would have 90 percent of his supporters escorted the fuck off of the premises at any of his hotels if he wasn't POTUS.

by Anonymousreply 176August 26, 2020 11:19 PM

R176, do you really think "Defund the Police" is a winning message at this point? I've seen about a half dozen interpretations of what it means, from "It just means reform the police department" to "It means fewer cops and more social workers" to "It literally means NO funding for police, period."

I know, I know. YOU know what it means. But if it means anything short of "No funding for police, ergo no police," it's not doing a very good job of communicating that. Slogans are important, because many people take them literally. You say "defunding police.... is not about reducing the police force." That's incredibly counterintuitive.

If it means "Reform the Police," then that should be the slogan. If it means "Re-educate the police," that should be the slogan. If it means, "Life sentences for cops who kill," then fine, that should be the slogan.

It's a fundamental maxim for writers, copywriters, and communicators: It's your job to make your point clear, not your audience's job to try and decipher what you're saying.

by Anonymousreply 177August 26, 2020 11:52 PM

I don't know what's so hard for them to figure out. It's obvious. They vote for Trump because around 1/3 of the population of this country are what I call "the walking crazy". They're mentally ill but they can hold it together enough to navigate through life, some better than others.

by Anonymousreply 178August 26, 2020 11:53 PM

[quote] But in nearly every area, schools are funded by the local tax dollars of that community. So when more affluent students are in their own districts, then those schools get funded to a level which supports a great school - great teachers, great support programs for students needing extra care, arts and athletic activities, and so on.

This is only partially true--states generally jump in and make up the difference in poorer urban school districts, which often receive more state aid per pupil.

The gap is actually due to something that is harder to solve for: PTA Parents.

In wealthy districts, the PTA can easily raise north of $100K for an elementary school from parents who are thrilled not to be paying $40K/kid for private school. This happens in city schools in wealthy neighborhoods and in upscale suburban towns too.

That money pays for extra teachers, equipment and afterschool programs that are unavailable to poorer students.

And the problem is that if the state forbids that sort of fundraising, the wealthy kids will just go to a private facility to say, learn chess after school,.

by Anonymousreply 179August 27, 2020 12:04 AM

I am natural born American that is so happy to see the leftist peoples argue among themselves as they are all the bad people, not the patriots people that the republicans are. Because I am natural born American I know that the left is all bad no matter where on the left it is and so it is good to see that peoples on the left all hates each other unlike the kind and good peoples on the right who always get along because they are also good patriots.

by Anonymousreply 180August 27, 2020 12:39 AM

You are jive honky R180! Everyone knows real Americans is Black Lives Mattering who need the reparations from the White Peoples who are ruining this country. We are taking away their suburbs from them to give to our Proud African Queens. Anyone who is disagreeing with me is racist and not Woke Up yet to see the evils of the Racism.

All of Sodomites should become Anti-Racists and Abolish the KGB and the Police who are not very nice and do not let us be Antifadas!

by Anonymousreply 181August 27, 2020 1:10 AM

R173 proves to me that the far left liberals cannot defend themselves but they can be creative with name calling and funny pictures. If that makes you feel good please continue.

by Anonymousreply 182August 27, 2020 1:10 AM

"In wealthy districts, the PTA can easily raise north of $100K for an elementary school from parents who are thrilled not to be paying $40K/kid for private school. This happens in city schools in wealthy neighborhoods and in upscale suburban towns too."

I don't know where you're from, but I grew up on the north shore of Long Island (Locus Valley) and then the upper east side for high school - and the PTA had shit to do with anything. My very wealthy public school district was funded through property taxes that were raised every year, on houses that were worth a fortune. Even my parents, who had money, complained about these hikes.

And rich parents in the city don't send their kids to public schools. They send them to private. And they have no qualms about paying top dollar.

by Anonymousreply 183August 27, 2020 1:12 AM

I worked with two who openly admitted to this.

One said Hills represented "special interests" and didn't elaborate beyond that and I didn't ask further.

The other is from Long Island with the accent to match.Long Islanders voted in uuuge numbers for this person, the rest of NY did not.

Yes, he got votes but he lost the election and was installed on a technicality.

What you see is what you get with this person.There is no mystery involved.

This enterprise is a scorched earth campaign against Obama's successful two term presidency.

This person's installation is intended to reset white supremacy as the standard.

White supremacy is the true foundation of this great nation, not democracy.

Democracy means nothing to these people when "a black" can ascend to power.

by Anonymousreply 184August 27, 2020 1:15 AM

"[R176], do you really think "Defund the Police" is a winning message at this point? "

You do realize BLM is a decentralized political movement and not a PAC, right? They aren't focus grouping their messaging - it comes from a visceral reaction to state sanctioned murder. It's a rallying cry like that reflects the depth of trauma experienced by the systematic extermination of black people.

That you even look at "Defund the police" through the lens of whether or not it's a "winning messaging" tells me that you're a troll. The Democrats have NO control over how a political movement expresses itself.

by Anonymousreply 185August 27, 2020 1:19 AM

The 2016 election was a referendum on Obama, plain and simple. A lot of moderates who voted for him in 2012 felt he had moved too far to the left. And Hillary's entire platform was "more of the same!"

by Anonymousreply 186August 27, 2020 1:19 AM

"Democracy means nothing to these people when "a black" can ascend to power."

This is one of the most succinct statements I've ever read on what is actually going on here.

Brilliant post, r184.

by Anonymousreply 187August 27, 2020 1:22 AM

[quote] The truly ironic thing is...Trump would have 90 percent of his supporters escorted the fuck off of the premises at any of his hotels if he wasn't POTUS.

You're right. He should follow the example set by the Obama's and all the other rich politicians who live among the people.

by Anonymousreply 188August 27, 2020 1:36 AM

[quote] That you even look at "Defund the police" through the lens of whether or not it's a "winning messaging" tells me that you're a troll. The Democrats have NO control over how a political movement expresses itself.

Those who receive millions in donations should be accountable for their messaging. And the Democrats absolutely have enough power to affect their messaging. Condemning violent protests would be a start.

by Anonymousreply 189August 27, 2020 1:38 AM

[quote]That you even look at "Defund the police" through the lens of whether or not it's a "winning messaging" tells me that you're a troll.

So you're not concerned with who wins this November? Well, bless your heart.

by Anonymousreply 190August 27, 2020 1:40 AM

r33

"Democrats that are hostile to white people who don't live in coastal enclaves and share the same worldview about everything"

Dump truck is a coastal elite, born and raised, literally.

And a lifelong democrat until he grafted onto the repukkklican party ticket.

Don't let facts stand in your way.

by Anonymousreply 191August 27, 2020 1:44 AM

R191 Most right leaning people on this site used to be Democrat.

by Anonymousreply 192August 27, 2020 1:46 AM

It's 2020 R183

Not 1974

by Anonymousreply 193August 27, 2020 1:51 AM

a lifelong democrat until he grafted onto the repukkklican party ticket.

by Anonymousreply 194August 27, 2020 1:53 AM

For R183

Article is from 2019

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by Anonymousreply 195August 27, 2020 1:53 AM

From 2020 R183

"the P.T.A. at Public School 29, an elementary school in the Cobble Hill neighborhood of Brooklyn with a low percentage of pupils living in poverty. The P.T.A. reported it raised more than $1.7 million, or more than $1,800 per student, in the last school year. Compare that with P.S. 6X, West Farms, an elementary school in the Bronx with a high poverty rate among students, which reported raising just $5,793.82, or less than $11 per student."

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by Anonymousreply 196August 27, 2020 1:55 AM

2018 weighing in for you R183

"The parent-teacher organizations (PTOs) at some other elementary schools in the city’s affluent Wards 3 and 4 generate even more money. During the 2016-17 school year, the Lafayette Elementary Home & School Association (HSA) raised about $270,000 to pay for teacher supplies, additions to its library collection, art programs, family fun nights, science events, and both its community service and mindfulness programs"

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by Anonymousreply 197August 27, 2020 1:56 AM

Even happens in the UK R183 (in modern times)

"England’s 30 most successful parent-teacher associations (PTAs) raised £3.6m for their schools, the study found, while schools with the highest proportion of pupils from low-income families usually do not have a PTA, and those that do raise very little money from parents."

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by Anonymousreply 198August 27, 2020 1:58 AM

R17 said it. It’s the first one

Comey and wieners laptop.

Now no one cars the list of crimes Trump has been accused of

by Anonymousreply 199August 27, 2020 1:59 AM

Even an entire scholarly report on the topic R183

"In 2013-14, the 50 richest PTAs raised nearly $43 million, an average of $867 for each student enrolled in those schools. These schools serve about one-tenth of a percent of the nationwide student population while raising around 10 percent of the estimated total $425 million raised by all PTAs in the country.25 On average, these PTAs raise around $851,000 per year, and the top 13 PTAs each raised and spent over $1 million in one year. For example, Robert S. Hyer Elementary School’s PTA in Dallas’ Highland Park Independent School District collected over $1.4 million, or $1,990 per student, and Highland Park High School’s PTA raised over $2 million—$950 per student."

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by Anonymousreply 200August 27, 2020 2:00 AM

A message to the so-called moderates on this thread who are trying to turn white working class people into victims of the left: Which Dem president proposed a ban on them or called them rapists or continually foments hatred against them via tweets and interviews? Which Dem president attempted to legislate his bigotry against them? Which Dem policy specifically aimed to hurt them? It seems you ignore that there are millions of other tax-paying Americans who are actual victims of hate and being demonized by Republicans and the current president. People who haven't done anything wrong, but the moment the president tweets about some brown person so much as farting on an entirely different continent, the non-white working class people have to walk on egg shells because of what the president tweets or says. They're not victims to you racist and bigoted "moderates," eh? They're not Americans, not human beings, not tax-payers, too? Thousands of them don't currently serve this country, right?

We literally have evidence of attempt after attempt by Dems to help the white, working class and you've chosen to ignore it in favor of hyperbole and lies. We know precisely why of all of the Reps running were shoved aside by a silver-spooned elitist NYer. We know, so stop lying or deflecting. We know.

We aren't the problem, you people trying to do everything in your power to deny precisely why they gravitated to Donald J. Trump is the problem. You think we should continue to coddle the lies. They're watching a corrupt admin destroy the very foundation of this country and you want to pretend that they care about America when they still support Trump after what he has done?

If they vote for Trump, so be it. Their sense of entitlement is what will kill them, not Dems trying to make it fair for everyone. Some brown guy working his ass off in NYC is paying way more in taxes than some white guy in KY...and you think the brown guy should be kicked around by the president as he pays taxes to sustain the life of the white guy who should be coddled?

It's not going to work anymore. Your attempts to lie about why they vote Republican won't work. Trump is a corrupt, scumbag. They vote for him because he's a racist like them. I have no need to kiss their asses for being racist assholes and saying so.

by Anonymousreply 201August 27, 2020 2:03 AM

California R183 [2014]

"The difference lay in the ability of their parent-teacher associations to raise money. The Grattan PTA has budgeted hundreds of thousands of dollars a year, amounting to almost $1,000 per pupil. At Junipero Serra, where most students come from poor and immigrant families, the PTA raises approximately $25 per pupil."

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by Anonymousreply 202August 27, 2020 2:06 AM

Seattle too R183 [2017]

"Lafayette Elementary, where my own kids go to school, raised about $70,000 at its auction in the spring. Genesee Hill Elementary pulled in $180,000."

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by Anonymousreply 203August 27, 2020 2:08 AM

R201, brilliant post wasted on those trolls.

by Anonymousreply 204August 27, 2020 2:09 AM

KELLYANNE!!!!

by Anonymousreply 205August 27, 2020 2:16 AM

"Those who receive millions in donations should be accountable for their messaging. And the Democrats absolutely have enough power to affect their messaging. Condemning violent protests would be a start."

I think their first concern is condemning the ongoing murders of innocent black people ... maybe if that was properly addressed these protests, most of which have been peaceful btw, wouldnt need to happen.

And speaking of violence - it's YOUR side (don't bother with the whole "I'm a moderate!" schtick) that slaughtered two unarmed protesters tonight. One shot almost at point blank range with an AR-15 by a rabidly pro-Blue Lives Matter, Boogaloo-Proud Boy Trumpist psycho. In keeping with shit like Charlottesville.

So, again, you say Democrats have a messaging problem. Well, your side - Republicans - have a fucking murder problem.

by Anonymousreply 206August 27, 2020 2:16 AM

Good luck to rural America voting for Trump again - you're never get mail again. But at least you've "owned the libs' based on the lies you tell yourself about liberals.

by Anonymousreply 207August 27, 2020 2:18 AM

They turn on the TV and they are being insulted.

There are serious problems that they are facing that are due to structural policies.

The media is owned by billionaires, and the news in their region is devoid of accurate information, political and scientific.

They hate the Republican party too, esp the Bush family.

They like bernie sanders.

Really, it is not so difficult to understand.

by Anonymousreply 208August 27, 2020 2:21 AM

A political NUN! Holy fuck.

by Anonymousreply 209August 27, 2020 2:21 AM

[quote]you're never get mail again.

People still get mail? Wow.

by Anonymousreply 210August 27, 2020 2:23 AM

The local news desert thing is real

And who is filling in the gaps with lots of right wing local news outlets?

[HINT: Not Bernie Sanders]

Link from 2020 provided for DLers who have trouble distinguishing between the 1960s and 2020s.

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by Anonymousreply 211August 27, 2020 2:26 AM

R210, many rural areas of this country only have USPS as an option. UPS/FEDEX won't bother going to many areas in this country, because they don't see it as economically feasible.

So when the "white working class" people can no longer get their mail/packages/medicine because they chose Trump to "own the libs," that's on them and no one else. If you're an adult, you make adult decisions. When you choose a clearly corrupt and morally-bankrupt low-life like Trump who you can see is fucking with institutions as old as the country itself, own it.

by Anonymousreply 212August 27, 2020 2:31 AM

[quote]UPS/FEDEX won't bother going to many areas in this country, because they don't see it as economically feasible.

I don't believe that's accurate.

by Anonymousreply 213August 27, 2020 2:36 AM

R213: "The USPS was never really meant to operate as a business but as a public service, which is why it’s been able to keep its prices lower than private companies. Businesses like FedEx and UPS don’t build offices in remote rural areas, like deep in Wyoming or in the mountains of Colorado, because it’s simply not profitable. They often rely on the Post Office for last-mile delivery; the agency delivers mail for them from major transportation hubs to the final delivery destination, often in secluded areas. "

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by Anonymousreply 214August 27, 2020 2:47 AM

But so far the USPS is still moving, so that's good.

by Anonymousreply 215August 27, 2020 2:50 AM

I just don't see how a Biden presidency is going to be the magic wand that solves all of these problems. He'll no doubt be a better president than Trump, but it's just magical thinking to believe that all of this unrest will stop with a Democrat as president. How many shootings were there under Obama?

by Anonymousreply 216August 27, 2020 2:51 AM

[quote] I think their first concern is condemning the ongoing murders of innocent black people ... maybe if that was properly addressed these protests, most of which have been peaceful btw, wouldnt need to happen.

Even the Republicans have condemned the police killing of George Floyd and offered solutions for police reform. Democrats have not only not condemned the violent protests, they apparently continue to deny that it exists even months after the fact. The problem is you're focusing on police brutality that accounts for almost 0% of the murders being committed against blacks on a regular basis.

by Anonymousreply 217August 27, 2020 2:55 AM

R215? Not if Trump stays. Not if his unqualified shit stays.

Are you seriously under the delusion it will survive if this corrupt fascist shit stays?

Recall the Iraq war? Did you ever hear of ISIS while Bush was in office and the war was going on? No, you didn't...because it takes a few years before you see the actual damage done. Before you see refugees fleeing a war torn country. That's how the world actually works. The colossal damage being done by Trump now will be seen and felt in the years to come and his imbecilic supporters will attempt to attach those failures onto Dems, because that's how it works with those repulsive, immoral assholes.

by Anonymousreply 218August 27, 2020 2:56 AM

[quote] Most right leaning people on this site used to be Democrat.

You have absolutely no way of knowing this. You are just making shit up.

by Anonymousreply 219August 27, 2020 2:57 AM

[quote]Most right leaning people on this site used to be Democrat.

Any right-leaning person who claimed to be a Dem was a neocon. They're the reason we go into wars based on lies and pretend the enemies were our enemies because they hated us for our freedumz rather than because we funded coups and propped up dictators and allowed fanaticism to flourish when many of those countries were in fact secular and we aligned with the worst of the worst.

It took a black president for certain "Dems" and the rest of the right-wing to turn into hateful, bigoted, violent fascists, yet you're shocked when people in a foreign country go berserk as they literally watch their country destroyed over lies, they watch their families/friends maimed or killed...and you expect no anger and no reaction and no desire for revenge.

Neocon is what ya are, Blanche.

by Anonymousreply 220August 27, 2020 3:07 AM

They're in a cult dear.

by Anonymousreply 221August 27, 2020 3:10 AM

R216, Biden is a return to normalcy. Biden and his cabinet are going to have to spend 4 years just cleaning up all the messes that Trump made. And we are never going to be able to make up for all the life long appointed right wing judges that Trump put on the bench. No, Biden is not going to be a fix for all the unrest, but he is start in the right direction. And you need to start somewhere.

The key is if Biden wins in November, we can’t let him down in 2022. We have to show up just as strong to make sure that he has a Congress that will help him clean up the mess. We can’t do to Biden what we did to Obama in 2010.

by Anonymousreply 222August 27, 2020 3:36 AM

“The problem is you're focusing on police brutality that accounts for almost 0% of the murders being committed against blacks on a regular basis“

No the problem here is that you’re pivoting to black on black violence like you give a shit; like the reality of it ever entered into your pristine, immaculate archconservative consciousness prior to the issue being used as a right wing gimmick for giving cover to murderous cops. Yes, poverty breeds violence. Duh. But if you REALLY cared about generational poverty and the violence it creates, you certainly wouldn’t be reducing it to a cheap Fox News talking point.

But here you are. Doing exactly that.

by Anonymousreply 223August 27, 2020 3:39 AM

R223, like the people who used to defend the Iraq war by saying "Saddam killed his own people" as they cheered on bombs going off like a video game. I'm supposed to believe these people who clearly hate Iraqis (and every other Arab) gave a shit that Saddam killed his own people?

by Anonymousreply 224August 27, 2020 4:12 AM

R224, Biden was a massive supporter of those wars and Obama kept them going.

by Anonymousreply 225August 27, 2020 4:38 AM

[bold] The One Where The Trolls Take Over [/bold]

(because I have never seen these types of pro-GOP arguments on DL before, except maybe in broken English)

by Anonymousreply 226August 27, 2020 10:21 AM

[quote]The same thing is happening this year with Black Lives Matters. Don't think that people aren't seeing the hypocrisy of burning down cities over some police shootings, while blatantly ignoring the endless Black-on-Black murders and violence that happens EVERY SINGLE DAY.

And “Those people” are racist pieces of shit because they REFUSE to acknowledge ANY Black political stance without playing the “Black on Black crime” card. That’s the racist-asshole litmus test.

-Black women get paid less than their white counterparts--”What about Black on Black crime!?”

-Urban school districts don’t have up-to-date technology--”What about all the Black violence against white people?”

I mean...really? What the fuck do protests against blatantly excessive police force have to do with “Black on Black crime”?

by Anonymousreply 227August 27, 2020 10:29 AM

PSA: There are four posters spamming up this thread with their race-baiting trolling. Ignore them (if you can get the ignore function to work), and only half the posts remain -- the sane half.

Looking at my "Ignored" list, I see that all four of these posters specialize in posting race-bait and rabid misogyny across numerous threads. Given their investment in stirring up this shit, you have to conclude that they're either being paid for it, or they are legit deranged unemployed incel nutcases posting from mom's basement. Either way, "ignore" them the hell out of here.

by Anonymousreply 228August 27, 2020 12:24 PM

We need to know why we are losing with this huge, hyper political segment of voters

by Anonymousreply 229August 27, 2020 1:00 PM

The question has been answered in the comments, but it’s not palatable. Denial and dismissal and name-calling are not going to change the answer.

by Anonymousreply 230August 27, 2020 2:45 PM

I'd really like to go back in time and kill in their cradles every asshole who calls legitimate criticism "name-calling." If you say a racist thing, it is perfectly legitimate to call you a racist. If you gaslight and say black is white, it is perfectly legitimate to call you a liar.

Likewise, pointing out that what you are saying is a lie is not "denial and dismissal." If you say "Trump is protecting people with pre-existing conditions and that's why people like him," and I point out that is a lie, and you call it "denial and dismissal," that does not make it any less true that Trump is not protecting people with pre-existing conditions.

by Anonymousreply 231August 27, 2020 2:53 PM

R231. You want to kill babies? You have nothing worthy to say my dear. You empower people who believe differently.

by Anonymousreply 232August 27, 2020 2:57 PM

R231, they voted for someone who name-calls all of the time and they cheered it on as he vilified, as he demonized, as he scapegoated. They cheered on his despicable behavior every step of the way...and we're not supposed to utter a word about it. That's how arrogant and entitled these people who vote for him are along with people who defend those who vote for him. They can't even see how hypocritical they are in their argument. Anyone stupid enough to mention "name-calling" in the context of those who voted for Donald Trump of all people, is too obtuse to debate.

by Anonymousreply 233August 27, 2020 3:00 PM

[quote] You want to kill babies? You have nothing worthy to say my dear. You empower people who believe differently.

THAT'S your take-away? Fuck you and your ridiculous "my dear" affectation. I empower people who feel differently in what way? Those who feel that gaslighting is a legitimate tactic? Those who feel that racism is A-OK, but being called a racist for it is over the line?

by Anonymousreply 234August 27, 2020 3:00 PM

[quote] And “Those people” are racist pieces of shit because they REFUSE to acknowledge ANY Black political stance without playing the “Black on Black crime” card. That’s the racist-asshole litmus test.

It's because there are black people living in poor, crime ridden neighborhoods that lacks educational opportunity and upward mobility. We should have a conversation on how to improve the lives of black people living in those areas, however, to say that blacks are being held down because of overpolicing is wrong because withdrawing police just means that more innocent people will die. The best antidote to crime is giving them the means to succeed and changing their environment, not demonizing the police, the majority of who are good and help restore safety.

[quote] Black women get paid less than their white counterparts--”What about Black on Black crime!?”

The protests on the streets have to do with violence. It doesn't mean that other issues are not as important, but the violent protests are retaliation against law enforcement.

[quote] Urban school districts don’t have up-to-date technology--”What about all the Black violence against white people?”

There is an interesting conversation to be had to be had about why additional public school funding hasn't helped improve the lives of black students. Lots of interesting points have already been raised in this thread.

by Anonymousreply 235August 27, 2020 4:28 PM

[quote] It's because there are black people living in poor, crime ridden neighborhoods that lacks educational opportunity

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 236August 27, 2020 4:33 PM

I don't think you're going to find one black person who is not concerned and outraged about black on black violence. However, I don't understand this need for some to equate black on black violence with police violence. That is a whole separate issue. The police are supposed to be the good guys. I get so tired of hearing about Chicago, as if that somehow makes it okay that the people who are supposed to protect us can't arrest black people without killing them.

by Anonymousreply 237August 27, 2020 4:45 PM

[quote]I am a “Coastal Elite” and absolutely there is talk of flyoverstans and general disrespect for the middle of the country. Then of course everyone wonders why they vote against their self interest.

You're confusing cause and effect. Members of the "coastal elite" (damn, I hate that term) don't have contempt for everyone who lives in middle America, only for those who are so stupid and ignorant as to vote against their own self interests, and who have a great amount of hatred for people who are not exactly "like them."

[quote]Lower income people place a large emphasis on respect. (This is true for all races). So they bristle when people call them uneducated and dumb. That may be true, you can’t change people’s minds by looking down at them and insulting them.

Again, and of course, not ALL of them are uneducated and dumb -- only those who are SO stupid and ignorant as to vote against their own self interests, and are not able to face basic facts about Trump et al.

by Anonymousreply 238August 27, 2020 5:17 PM

[quote] only for those who are so stupid and ignorant as to vote against their own self interests, and who have a great amount of hatred for people who are not exactly "like them."

What a bunch of babies. These are the same people who've delighted in using rightwing speech like 'snowflake' and 'libtard' for years on social media and they are always railing on about 'free speech.' Yet they curl themselves into a fetal position when people call them out on voting against their own self-interests. Fuck them. They're not beyond reproach.

by Anonymousreply 239August 27, 2020 5:28 PM

You really tge NYTs is journalism, OP? Seriously? It is propganda narrative and has been for about 5 years. You still don't see this?

by Anonymousreply 240August 27, 2020 5:33 PM

The woman at OP looks like a fat old lesbian Justin Bieber

by Anonymousreply 241August 27, 2020 5:39 PM

The 70s in New York was great. The crime mythology is all to scare other states into voting Republican. Public Schools were good, there was rent control and Meryl Streep rode her bike to Shakespeare in the Park at night. A rich, white, young women felt safe.

It not safe now because of Trump. If rode your bike home at night, you might get shot be a Trump supporting incel militia cunt. It just happened. TRUMP and Republicans are making everything dangerous, everything unsafe.

Vote All Republicans OUT of office for this.

by Anonymousreply 242August 30, 2020 5:42 AM

Did R235 just completely miss the point of my post? I honestly cannot tell.

by Anonymousreply 243August 30, 2020 11:09 AM

The NYTs' thousandth article on rural Trump voters is the least of their problems at this point. It almost pales in comparison to their war lust , enabling of powerful Republican liars, and vendetta against various Democrats over the years. Their " star" writers are reactionary hacks David Brooks, Maureen Dowd, Patrick Healey and now some weirdo quiverfull chick Elizabeth Breunig (who for some reason is identified as a leftist despite despising Democrats and anyone who isn't a hetero white breeder). History will not look kindly on Arthur Sulzburger and his little band of right wing propogandist freaks.

by Anonymousreply 244August 30, 2020 6:41 PM

R243 You're the one who was deflecting. The ones out on the streets are protesting police violence. They don't want to have a conversation about pay disparities or underfunded schools. A violent protest is not the means to highlight issues like the ones you mentioned that are more nuanced.

Secondly, incidents of black on black crime increase when you withdraw law enforcement. So it is relevant to bring it up.

by Anonymousreply 245August 30, 2020 6:52 PM

Over 1 million NYers are on public assistance. Let that sink in for a minute.

by Anonymousreply 246August 30, 2020 7:32 PM

So you did R245. Gotcha.

by Anonymousreply 247August 31, 2020 12:57 PM
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