Gardiners Island

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Very snobby people. One’s a writer.

Former owner Robert DL Gardiner.

Why is he with Debra Messing? lol

Why did his wife wear a tiara?

Was she royalty?

Looks cool

They behave as if they are royalty. They have to let you know their whole history right away.

[quote] Owing to the high cost of upkeep, in 1937 the island was put up for sale but was bought at the last minute by a relative, Sarah Diodati Gardiner, for $400,000. Upon her death in 1953, the island passed in trust to her nephew, Robert David Lion Gardiner, and his sister, Alexandra Gardiner Creel. Their aunt had also set aside a trust fund for upkeep of the island, but it was exhausted by the 1970s. When Creel died, her rights passed to her daughter, Alexandra Creel Goelet. Robert Gardiner and Mrs. Goelet were to have a highly publicized dispute over ownership and direction of the island.

[quote] Robert accused Alexandra of wanting to sell and develop the island. She accused him of not paying his share of the estimated $2 million per year upkeep and taxes of the island. Robert said he would not oppose ownership by the government or a private conservancy group. The case went to court in 1980 and Robert was initially barred from visiting the island, but in 1992, courts ruled that he could visit the island (although the Goelets and Gardiner were not on the island at the same time).

[quote] Robert Gardiner, who claimed the title "16th Lord of the Manor of Gardiner's Island" and lived in East Hampton, married in 1961 but had no children, leaving him with no direct heir. In 1989, Mr. Gardiner attempted unsuccessfully to adopt a middle-aged Mississippi businessman, George Gardiner Green Jr., as his "son."

Wait, what?

Was he in the closet?

R7 - maybe shooting blanks...guys like this take wives and breed because they are too snobby about the bloodline to let in outsiders. Unless the old man was demented and the "son" took advantage of that.

It has a white windmill. Grew up not too far from there - no one was allowed on the island, and it’s basically impossible to get to, like you have to take a dingy or a yacht or a helicopter. I think it has a small airstrip you can land on with a small Cessna. Seems kinda ridiculous. Not much further north is Plum Island, which is an animal disease research center.

[quote] it’s basically impossible to get to, like you have to take a dingy or a yacht or a helicopter

Seriously? It looks like you could kayak or even swim there.

The whole island looks gorgeous, R9.

And the windmill is cute.

Can you just imagine owning the whole island? It must be fabulous!

r7, shades of Matt Gaetz with the "adoption"

Property taxes?

"Not much further north is Plum Island, which is an animal disease research center."

Sounds charming.

Not far further north is the NYC communal grave island, very busy recently alas.

The Gays should invade it and take over.

[quote] Not much further north is Plum Island, which is an animal disease research center.

[quote] Not far further north is the NYC communal grave island, very busy recently alas.

Is this for real?

I'd be pissed if I owned a private island, and all of this crap, death and disease was surrounding it.

Lyme Disease land.

R11 Said Jeffery Epstein with glee!

R4 She's wearing a tiara because she married Earl Stanley Gardner.

As a pure aside, Lion Gardiner is a fantastic name.

All the fun is on Plum 👽

Well, perhaps as the virus rages on and the bodies pile up the government can take it by eminent domain and it can become the mass graveyard of the North East.

R9 "You have to take a dingy"

Oh, dear...

R4 Anyone can wear a tiara. It was commonplace among society women in that era.

^^Any married woman, that is.

Hart’s Island isn’t near Plum Island.

First Lady Julia Tyler was a Gardiner from Gardiner's Island

Did everyone from there have funny posture?

Julia Gardiner Tyler sounds like a horrible person, R28:

[quote] Although a northerner by birth, Mrs. Tyler soon grew accustomed to the leisurely routines of daily life as the wife of a wealthy plantation owner.

[quote] Julia wrote a defense of slavery titled "The Women of England vs. the Women of America", in response to the "Stafford House Address" petition against slavery which the Duchess of Sutherland had helped to organize. In response to Julia Tyler's essay, Harriet Jacobs, a former slave and later abolitionist writer, authored her first published work, a letter to the New York Tribune in 1853.

[quote] After her husband's death in 1862, she lost her 60 slaves and 1,100 acres of land due to military events. Julia moved north to Staten Island with several of her children, although family relations were so strained that her brother David Gardiner refused to travel to Virginia to escort her to New York and eventually moved out of his mother's house, where Julia had settled. Her home there was almost burned down by enraged Union veterans when it was discovered that she was flying a Confederate flag on the property.

Historic family.

My sides.

It's hotter than Fire Island. Gay for pay. Invite only. Believe me, I know.

You are SO lying, R32.

Proof, please.

In [italic]Silence of the Lamb[/italic], when Agent Starling requests help from Dr. Lecter, she offers a deal that includes an annual visit to Plum Island.

Hannibal Lecter : "Plum Island Animal Disease Research Center." Sounds charming.

Clarice Starling : That's only a part of the island. There's a very, very nice beach. Terns nest there. There's beautiful...

...under swat team surveillance...

I don’t know about now but back in the 70s you couldn’t get close to Plum Island in your boat, according to my friend’s older brother

"descended from the Mayflower pilgrims."

So they're immigrants too, like my parents.

R4

American ladies began wearing tiaras during Victorian era.

"“In Paris great aigrette balls were organized by aristocrate families who were proud of their name and their past, such as Dutcesse de Gramount with her ‘Crinoline Ball’ and Princess Jacques de Broglie with her ‘Gemstone Ball’ of 1914. In distant New York, Philadelphia an Newport on the other hand, Mrs. William Astor, Mrs. George J. Gould, Mrs. W.K. Vanderbilt and Eva (Mrs. Edward) Stotesbury entertained with a degree of magnificence which made European balls appear almost insignificant. The moneyed classes of the United States, who had originally raised themselves above their bourgeois origins through their own hard work, set out to rival the historical aristocracy of Europe. In friendly competition with her rivals, the well-to-do American women refused to forgo any of the attributes sanctioned by society. These accessories included country houses imported from Europe complete with ancestral portraits and furnishings, as well as tiaras order from Cartier’s in Paris and later New York.” – Cartier By Hans Nadelhoffer"

This continued right into the 1950's but began to die out by 1960's onward. However some American women "of means" or otherwise wore tiaras at their weddings.

In Europe OTOH while there are no laws forbidding non royal or noble ladies from wearing tiaras, generally everyone follows custom that it seldom if ever is done, especially in presence of royalty.

Lady Diana as daughter of a peer wore a tiara as she went down the aisle to be married. Sarah Ferguson being dead common switched out that band of flowers (or whatever she wore) for a tiara after being married (and thus now a royal duchess) for the march down aisle out of church after ceremony.

Kate Middleton however wore the “Halo Tiara” or the “Scroll Tiara" loaned to her by HM , was originally given to Elizabeth on her 18th birthday by her mother. Her mother had received it as a gift from her husband, King George VI, in 1936.

Despite being a divorcee with a husband still living, the Markle woman chose white and a veil for her wedding, so HM graciously also selected a tiara to loan for wedding. We all know the scandal that came afterwards, so less said about Meghan Markle and tiaras the better.

Do you think the Island of a Misfit Toys is nearby?

Islands in the Stream

r36 bio-weapons research centre. Conspiracy theories exist that Plum Island had 'accidents' that caused Lyme disease bearing ticks & West Nile laden mosquitoes to escape into the environment.

[quote]There's a very, very nice beach. Terns nest there.

I misread that as "Teens nest there" and my interest perked up momentarily....

I've read numerous books and articles about these people and all suggest Robert DL Gardiner. was a closet case. If you read about his petty snobberies and name dropping you clearly deduce that he's an old queen.

[quote] all suggest Robert DL Gardiner. was a closet case. If you read about his petty snobberies and name dropping you clearly deduce that he's an old queen

Plus, his wife looked like Debra Messing.

So there's that. Oh, and no kids either.

Well his middle name was DL.

And look at those nipples! They look pretty tweaked, if you ask me.

So he was the original Will of Will & Grace?

Here's a video of him giving a tour of the island

Yes, I know it was bioreseach weapons center, R41. We all did. That's why my friend's brother tried to get close to it. A boat sped towards his and he hightailed it out of there, since the boat had no US military insignia on it, like Coast Guard or navy or US Army. He didn't want to get shot & dumped in the water.

There were other small islands in the area to explore in those days in the early 70s. Lots of them are now owned by billionaires. There weren't many people on the eastern part of LI in those days & those on the water were baymen in clamboats, not rich, entitled, snotty teenaged boys with their own speedboats like my friend's brother.

r3She's a vamp(ire). Ask Harry.

I don't know what happened but when he was elderly Gardiner was banished from the island for some reason and was living in The Hamptons, I think it was his niece who took over the reigns and was living on the island. He has gay face for days btw

I went there years ago. We anchored off the spit of sand on north end, and walked around and swam. At that time, the caretaker had a pack of German Shepherds and a rifle, and he was known to use them. We were back in the boat within the hour, so I can't tell you whether that was true.

Yes, straight men don't have nips like the ones at R45.

At 6:45 from r47 he really starts queening it up.

Is that anywhere near Gilligan's Island?

R30 Julia Tyler was receiving a widow's pension of $5000 a year and living in Tennessee around 1883 (she was on the official pension list).

Hotter than Fire Island.

I know it’s across the bay and we can’t go there. I mix it up with the other islands.

Almost all stories of pirates burying their treasure are made up. It's something they rarely did. Only a handful of examples are known to be true.

One of those examples is Captain Kidd. He did indeed bury part of his treasure on Gardiner's Island. We know this to be true because New York State had it dug up and sent to England to be used as evidence at Kidd's trial. He was found guilty, hanged and gibbeted in 1701.

"Why did his wife wear a tiara?

Was she royalty?"

Maybe in Pasadena.

Gardiner's Island is a unique biological area and has 43 species of native butterfly and its own subspecies of deer. The estate is said to be very beautiful by the two people I know - both biologists - who have visited, and has some of the oldest outbuildings extant in North America as well as stands of old growth timber.

Some trivia, IIRC, The Gardiners, along with the Livingstons and the Hydes, were permitted use of titles when presented in Congress after the American revolution as they had sided with and financed the new country. This was contingent on their retaining whatever land it was they were granted through Royal commission. The Gardiners have passed out of existence and the Hydes left their Hall in Glimmerglass when it was taken from them through eminent domain in the 1950s, so the present Lord and Lady Livingston at Oak Hall alone remain able to accept this honorific. HINT: they never have.

I would love it if the island was to be preserved as a natural and cultural monument, but it seems the sort of place that would not work well as a tourist destination.