Is what is really driving Prince Harrys anger that deep down he is kicking against his becoming increasingly irrelevant?

What is driving MM trolls to continue their invasion of DL?

The OP troll needs to read up on grammar.

Prince Harry has moved to one of the most beautiful , expensive and exclusive neighborhoods in California - and the US.

Life seems good for him in Santa Barbara. Endless pool parties with other celebs...great beaches...and Polo, lots of polo.

Well, there's two seperate issues. Yes, he's angry at his family, and I won't attempt to guess the reasons here but every "spare" is unhappy with their role, but there's also the question of ego.

If he's "kicking against his increasing irrelevance" that implies he thinks he deserves to be relevant in his own right. That's a mistake a lot of celebrities make, they get lucky or their concocted image or a certain role resonates with the public, and they assume that the are some kind of special wonderful super-talented person who deserves to be hugely famous and universally beloved for thir true selves, not for their image or their role or their luck. They are always wrong, and Harry really is dim enough to mistake his early popularity for genuine personal worth.

I call this "Celebrity Ego Disease", BTW, and the terminal stages come when a celebrity runs for a public office.

For a variety of reasons, Harry is a spoiled, discontent brat. We didn't notice it before because he lived in the lap of luxury and didn't want for anything except emotional stability, which is torturing him today.

Then he met Markle, an entitled, conniving, manipulative, self-righteous pain the ass who is never satisfied and plays the victim. Harry doesn't have the smarts to know all of her ambitions and be manipulated by her. It's fine to be ambitious. It's not so fine to feel it's owed to you--and for no reason.

Yes, r3, and out from under Meghan's thumb. That Polo Club will eventually mean the death of their marriage. Lots and lots of extremely hot girls there all the time, and hard-partying buddies for him to pal around with all the time.

But she's ok, she'll get the 10 million dollar house she just convinced him to buy.

R4 - meet Arnold Schwarzenneger. He's a celebrity who became a very powerful politician.

I think celeb actor Ronald Reagan had some success in his political election campaigns as well.

Totally miserable in that photo. I actually feel bad for him as he always looked like a free spirit before his marriage.

When has he not been irrelevant?

He's angry with the press (and secretly with his mother, though he can never admit that to himself) that she died when he was 13, and angry at the palace courtiers that they made him walk behind her coffin with billions of people watching (and mad at his father and grandparents for allowing them to do that, though again he could never admit it). He's also angry at his goody two-shoes brother for getting more attention and being the alpha and for always being such a perfect son and grandson who has never caused the queen or Charles any embarrassment whatsoever.

But really he's angriest at himself. He's a fuck-up who never achieved much and who greatly embarrassed his family with the Nazi armband worn to the costume party. And he knows it.

What's driving Harry is quite simple. This isn't the life he wanted. It destroyed his Mother and doesn't want it to destroy his wife. They walked away and are finding ways to build a different life until Charles takes the throne and Elizabeth's goon squad is gone. In each generation there is a royal with an independent streak. Harry is doing what Harry wants to do because it doesn't matter. With each new crotch dropping that Kate pushes out, Harry gets moved further down the line. He knew this from the beginning and acted accordingly.

Bless your heart, R11.

R8. Harry was miserable in that photo because his idiot bald brother and his social climbing wife were treating him like shit.

R5 and R10 capture it perfectly. Vulnerable dimwit in the hands of a grifter with more ambition than skill.

The most telling line I read was this book shows Harry is just like his mother and William is all Windsor.

It's been said before, but that photo reminds me: the Duchess of Cambridge sets a new standard for resting bitch face.

Abolish the monarchy & open all the castles as tourist attractions.

"The most telling line I read was this book shows Harry is just like his mother and William is all Windsor. "

Everyone connected to the BRF must be thanking the Good C of E Lord Above that that's the case.

Imagine if the just-like-Diana child had been born first! They'd have to hide their assets and pack in their things, because that'd be it for the monarchy.

He went from party boy to patsy.

Small hair energy.

It's all about the racism against his wife.

[quote] Imagine if the just-like-Diana child had been born first! They'd have to hide their assets and pack in their things, because that'd be it for the monarchy.

On the last season of "The Crown," in an episode all about Princess Margaret & her visit to DC, Prince Philip tells a theory he has to the Queen that there are two kinds of Windsors: on one hand the dutiful ones, like George V, George VI, and the Queen herself; and then on the other hand the pleasure-loving fuck-ups, like Edward VII, Edward VIII (the Duke of Windsor), and Margaret. He says destiny makes sure that if the second kind get the crown, it always works its way soon enough back to the first kind, who deserve to have it and will make sure the crown endures.

r19, he desperately needs to get a toupée.

Then he and Meghan together can be The Wig & The Tig.

My point exactly.

I was replying to R21.

Oh, a purposeless former spare who grew up thinking he was equal in position to his heir-to-the-heir brother is having a hissy about the reality of having to make one's own way?

Pity.

And his answer to making his own way was to follow Great-Grand-Uncle David's choice by chaining his soft little dick meekly and stupidly to an ambitious, manipulative, deluded adventuress, complete with exile and a loss of cachet, family closeness and longterm relationships?

Pity.

And the story of his life is now set, and he will never stand for anything except grim bathos and weakness, while decades of self-sabotage, psychological problems, scandal and clumsy missteps whittle what's left of him down to a small mound of booze-drenched powder?

More's the pity.

Yes, R20. It's simply not possible for a pretentious, self-absorbed, inauthentic, small-minded, drunk-with-ambition, greedy, half-mad biracial actress to be seen for what she is and has done instead of her "race," which actually was the one positive attribute she had and used in her favor while storming the castle with her stupid, aimless and needy beau.

Racism ALWAYS is the issue. Thank heavens such notions as personal responsibility, social context, family complexities and human kindness never enter into the picture on the part of the victims of such heinous racism.

R20 has no more stomach for dimension than it does for fact. Her narrow narrative is her identity.

"That Polo Club will eventually mean the death of their marriage. Lots and lots of extremely hot girls there all the time, and hard-partying buddies for him to pal around with all the time. "

Oh, I think they'll be out of Santa Barbara in a few years, depending on when Meg falls out with Oprah. That's really the only thing the SB area has to offer Meg, that and a few other celebrities who spend time there when they aren't working, she'll never fit in with the older-money society of the rich who actually live there.

I think she really wants to be in the swim of the entertainment and media industries, and the move is a concession to Harry's undoubted disappointment with life in LA, and an attempt to attach herself to Oprah's coattails. So when it sinks in that Harry is having too much fun at the polo club, and that she's too far from the center of the entertainment industry to horn herself into everything, and that Oprah has earned the same other ghosting as every other woman she's ever known... she'll drag the poor simp back to LA. Fuck his dreams of a simple private life away from the paparazzi, she's got to pay the fucking bills, and to do that she's got to be in the center of things!

Why oh why with all his millions, doesn't Harry get a hairpiece or implants. He now has lots of free time. The front doesn't seem to be receding nor the sides. So just plop some red hair in that circle of bald. Its bothering me, Harry. I care for you!

As Diana's son, Prince Harry will always be relevant.

r29, Windsor men never get hair implants nor wear toupees. Ever. They could afford them, but to do so would be to admit they are not royal.

Oprah is ga-ga over the royal family and has always been. She will never desert Harry and Meghan because they're the only ones who want to hang out with her besides Fergie.

R30– Who’s son?

I had no idea he had lost that much hair ! Lest we forget,Harry was much loved by the public before he hooked up with that old black woman. Who,by the way,nobody even knew she was black until she made it an issue,thats how well SHE hid it.

Who is son? Harry is son, R33.

1. He is less guarded and does not hide anger like others 2. Second borns are easygoing but jealous of first born who does better at academics etc. He lacks focus intensity 3. Unemployed. No structure. 4. Rebels against Meghan's control of him 5. Sex with 38 yr old female not good

Racism is not part of it. Britain is white country. Nuts to have black in royal family.

Who gives a fuck about Harry's anger?

You fucking crazies who can't stop talking about these people and YOUR anger at Meghan is what really needs to be looked at.

R38 Meghan is an old WHORE and worthy of all the scorn heaped upon her nappy weave !

r37, racism is definitely a part of YOU.

Get lost racist!

I don't hate Meghan and I'm not angry at her, R39, I love her! She's hilarious! My favorite comedy act of 2020, a year that has offered absolutely no other sources of fun!

She and Harry are perfect embodiments of what used to be called "The Peter Principle", that is, people who've risen above their level of competence. She's been so successful at social climbing that she's found herself in a level of society she doesn't understand and can't work in, and the results are endlessly entertaining.

[quote]Is what is really driving Prince Harrys anger that deep down he is kicking against [bold]his becoming increasingly irrelevant[/bold]?

Really? You'd never know given how often you losers post about him and his wife.

Let me break it down for you: Harry was always an idiot. Never very bright and lazy. His party antics may have been “cute” in his late teens and early 20’s, but when he was still acting childish after 25, it was pretty obvious he was always going to be a lazy, freeloading sack of shit. He was never attractive but he was a royal so he got a pass because he was “fun.” Now he’s in his late 30’s, no longer a royal, has no job, balding, and is pussywhipped. He’s a joke now.

I just read that Henry is a Leading Entrepreneur, so na na naa you're all jelly.

It’s true. Now that she’s a failure and a joke, she’s wildly entertaining. Sort of a Susan Foster Kaine to be. Modestly talented, over marketed, awaiting curiosity status and unwell obscurity. Sort of farm with cataracts. She’s awesome and we need her. Fergie and Princess Michael aren’t getting any younger.

R42 is obviously visiting from elsewhere and failing as usual.

"Now that she’s a failure and a joke, she’s wildly entertaining. Sort of a Susan Foster Kaine to be. "

More like the Florence Foster Jenkins of social media attention whores.

Really, I find her THAT entertaining!

You may be onto something, R46, that backside isn’t getting any smaller.

I don't think Harry cares about being relevant. He's only seeking a job or something in the public eye because his wife wants a luxury lifestyle

Before Harry met Meghan, you never saw him except for official events. I think he has serious depression

Everybody with a functioning brain here's a message for you. You are going to be hammered with Brf threads and stealth threads. It's going to be relentless until this site becomes just another version of the daily fail. I was told this by someone within the media. They will start targeting you individually as well. See R42 and R46 for examples. We can't post anymore so it's up to you.

British security agencies carpetbombing the internet to shape the debate about the BRF to protect "The Firm". They assassinated Diana for the same reason (probably on Phillip's instructions) so a campaign of internet trolling is a piece of cake for them.

I had the interesting experience of working as assistant to one of the editors (yes, there are more than one) of the recent HQ release "Finding Freedom". I thought you guys - especially the Crown sympathizers - might like to know that while the British Royal Family does occasionally come across rather poorly in the book, there were also definitely bits that, while verified to be true by numerous sources, were in the end kept from the finished draft. This was done mostly at the behest of one of our senior editors, who in addition to being quite old is also conservative.

For instance, it was left out that one of the main reasons Prince Harry and Meghan Markle left the U.K. is the noxious stench that fires from QEII's practically decomposing cunt. There is absolutely no way to remove it (the smell) from any room she's entered. This is one reason Miss Markle wanted to use air fresheners in St. George's Chapel at Windsor the day of her wedding. The Prince had warned Markle what it was like to live with this fetid, all-pervading stink but she had no idea it could be so bad. Ultimately, she felt it was best to raise her child away from the toxic reek, which court doctors still do not understand.

Anyway, ask me any questions if you like. My contract with the publisher's up.

Oh, Christ, that idiot Foolsy Cumdump.

Does Megs think that Oprah lives in Montecito year-round, and that she'll just pop over for Weight Watchers and yoga every day?

I see someone has learned from pigeon-headed press secretary Kayleigh McEnany and is now using a binder to keep repeating the same pointless remarks. ^52

The house they just bought in Montecito is frightfully common. Quite embarrassing really. Built in 2003. Owned by a Russian. Hideous

$14,000,000 doesn't buy as much ad it used to.

Link, r56?

Here ya go

Well, R59, that house looks like suitable backdrop for a lifestyle blog.

Drapes. There are ... drapes everywhere.

Well, by the looks of that listing, even $35 million won’t get you something very attractive.

What happened to 18 mil? That's quite a jump. Any receipts?

Er...8 mil. An even bigger jump

It's funny how different the two boys look at the OP's photo. But they are both the children of the same two parents.

William has Diana's eyes and nose.

Harry has Charles's nose and mouth and chin.

Both boys have hair from the Spencer side. They both became bald prematurely, like their maternal grandfather Johnnie Spencer. What little hair William has remaining is blond (like the hair of his mother, his aunt the Lady Jane Fellowes, and his maternal grandmother's Frances Shand-Kydd), and Harry's remaining hair is red (like Johnnie Spencer's hair and the hair of his mother's other two siblings, the current Earl Spencer and Lady Sarah McCorquedale).

Both boys have the build of their father and the height of their paternal grandfather Prince Philip.

Do we have to do all the research for you, r63?

Here's Meghan and Harry's new home in Santa Barbara/Montecito. They've been living there since July.

Uh, no r67. Wrong house

Klan Granny thread. F&F and block.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Who says the MM will get the new SB house in event of a divorce? That baby is bought and paid for by Bank of Charles, its tied up in trusts so tight (basically, the BRF own it) she'll never get a piece of it.

The royals aren't stupid you know.

You’re blind r67/r70

Pool in your house is centered on the house - it’s to the side in the real one.

Date of construction wrong Sale price and date wrong Listing history wrong

Willam looks the ugliest in that photo. The three of them William, Kate and Harry all look miserable. Just awful, entitled and incredibly dull. Meghan is the best looking person to ever come to that crusty old family. I’m sure she is all the terrible things too

r66 has the correct house, and the correct link. I couldn't find the "sold" listing on Zillow though.

SO freaking big, for only three people (and Doria). 18k square feet?? 9 bedrooms and 17 baths? Good lord. I thought Harry said he liked more 'intimate' digs, and found Tyler Perry's place too large and overwhelming. Bah.

Too far from the beach, and the nicer 'heart' of Montecito south of E Valley road, where Oprah and Ellen live. Or near Park Lane, where the old money homes are. This appears to be a very noveau riche, McMansion neighborhood.

You're right. I'm tired.

But the house with the jungle gym was listed for $34 million. The Daily Mail says $14.5 million.

I like the wrong house better.

Here is the listing for 765 Rockridge Road.

^$34.5 million

Darling r75.... it’s bedtime. I posted the link at r59

Both are awful. I get a distinct Neverland vibe from both of those dated, cavernous homes. Lonely.

R56 Oh, God. You're right, too!

I wouldn't want to live in Montecito or Santa Barbara. I don't like seeing the oil platforms out in the ocean.

The drive back and forth to LA is a grind. It means that all of Meghan's show biz connections and/or people who work for her on H&M projects are going to make that long drive back and forth.

They play polo at Will Rogers State Park. No need to move to Montecito for Harry to play polo.

[quote]But they are both the children of the same two parents.

William got the Spencer genes. Harry got the Mountbatten genes. Thus their completely different appearance.

This must have been a 'pocket listing', or private listing and sale, off the main records. Redfin shows the house for sale since 2019, then delisted suddenly on June 5th. This must have been when the Harkles took a shine to it and made an offer.

R78 Plus, overhead beams are bad Feng Shui, especially horizontally over a bed.

Did they take it furnished? They must have, at least to start with, or there would have been leaks from somebody - a decorator' intern, a designer's assistant, a deliveryman - somebody.

Amazing that somebody previously paid 25 million for that at one time. I'm not even sure it's worth 16 million. Looks more like 12 million, especially because it's on the wrong side of Montecito, in Nouveau Riche-Ville.

Charles' gardening bills are going to be astronomical.

It looks like a spa or a monastery. Not homey at all.

I thought they didn’t want any staff around? That cavernous place will be a bitch to clean and upkeep. It’s a bit nouveau riche like Gatsby trying hard to impress.

Did Charles buy it in the name of a trust or was it in both Harry’s and Meghan’s names? If the trust legally owns the title then I’m not sure Meghan can get her greasy hands on it in a divorce.

He wants to be king and he can't. He should start by using his real name and then going away.

I hate people that ANNOUNCE they are leaving then spend the next twenty years talking about how they are going away.

I am absolutely positive that Meghan convinced him to buy it in both their names, using his trust money for the down payment and for the mortgage.

I guarantee you that she is thinking, every single day, about how best to set herself up post-divorce.

Not that she wants to divorce him right now, mind. There's still a lot of juice for her to squeeze from this particular lemon.

Charles probably bought the house. And Charles isn't having Markle's name of the deed. The royal family may be ugly, bald and have a thing for Nazis, but they ain't stupid. They played with Markle once resulting in a renovated and now empty Frogmore Cottage. Once was enough.

OP is mentally ill with her obsession with a pedo family.

[quote]Charles' gardening bills are going to be astronomical

Gardening bills? You mean that lazy sack of shit Harry with no job and nothing to do all day can’t get a fucking riding lawnmower and take care of the property himself??? Jesus, how fucking lazy!

Yes, r91, yes I do.

But according to the book, he can make coffee!

Bad Feng Shui over the master bed?

Oh no!

Good thing only Meghan will be sleeping there.

While Harry stays out all night with his Polo party friends.

If Meghan is wise she'll see a major threat to her majority in moving to Santa Barbara.

This is not a good move for her.

Why? Because it's a GREAT move for him.

But Meghan has already proved to us that she isn't actually very wise, hasn't she?

If Harry acquires any friends, Markle won't like any of them.

But in Santa Barbara, she won't be able to isolate him.

What's she going to say "Yes H, I know I begged you to buy me this 15 million dollar house here, but you can't play polo here."??

Nope.

Harry might have just fund a way to free himself.

Maybe he's not as dumb as he comes off in those hostage videos.

Oh dear: ^^^found, not 'fund', obviously^^^

Are you all crazy? I live that Rockridge house! I love the landscaping and the pool! I would move in and make it work.

How are Harry and Grace-Under-Fire settling in?

JFC most people go to school and get a real job. With his connections, Harry could do anything he wants. Sure, quit the BRF. No biggie. Earn some pay. It's not unheard of. Peter Phillips does this, Princess Margaret's kids did, etc. You don't have to be a brain surgeon but get up and do something useful every day.

Omg. That house has a castle 🏰 play theatre. I mean you cannot make this shit up. Are Hal and Megs going to be the new Von Trapps?

Has she given up on trying for a cuter baby?

She only needs the one, for insurance, r103

[quote]r101 JFC most people go to school and get a real job. With his connections, Harry could do anything he wants.

Mmmmm.... I don't know that he's really qualified to do much of anything, professionally speaking. And if one doesn't have to work and has never worked, why start now? I mean, do we all dream of becoming multi millionaires so we can then go get jobs?

No.

Yes but his wife is schooled on how to blame others. Just WAIT for the divorce.

If Harry was stupid enough to buy the mansion with his own money then he deserves everything he gets.

What a totally useless asshole Harry has turned out to be.

She must be practically piddling herself with excitement at her A-list neighbors.

Answer this honestly: wouldn't any of us be?

The jealousy on display in some posts here really is ugly.

As any z-list would, r107

Troll pushing troll theories. If you actually read the link, the OP is flat-out distortion.

I don't think you understand, Megstan at r108.

We don't like Harry.

We don't like Meghan.

But we LOVE the gossip value of Ginge and Cringe.

Snatchy! Are you done being an aged lesbian now? Where's your babymama Warren these days?

Awww - nice to see you (yet) again.

As to why Harry is so angry...I think it's down to 3 years of being ridiculed in the international press as being stupid, gullible, and pussywhipped; his chosen wife trashed as being a whore, vulgar, manipulative, greedy, and dishonest, and his child called ugly. That plus the derision of his entire family and circle of friends who tried to dissuade him from this liaison, plus the ongoing ridicule he receives as he tries to redeem himself with woke SJW speeches. Whatever he does, things just get worse. Plus, the realisation that he cannot undo his choice and return to his former role without encountering permanent contempt.

He needs to come out as a bisexual and get a divorce. Then get into a same sex relationship. That would get him some sympathy with the press and he could move back into the Royal Family as "the openly gay one."

He doesn’t seem angry to me but instead seems lost. He clearly wants to break away from that severely dysfunctional family and I cannot blame him but the ticket he chose to get out of dodge was unfortunately a very damaged ticket. Hope he can break free eventually as I like him.

The problem with that theory, r113 is that he actually *is* patently stupid, very obviously gullible and allowed himself to become publicly pussywhipped by a tenth-rate actress.

Indeed, I should have said he has been exposed as being stupid, gullible and pussywhipped.

[quote]r113 Plus, the realisation that he cannot undo his choice and return to his former role without encountering permanent contempt.

Contempt? Wait - most posters here (erroneously) insist his American wife is some villain, and universally detested. So it would follow that if he went ahead and dumped her and moved back home, everyone would embrace him as a cherished, Saved Soul.

I mean, that's the portrait that's painted by these royalty geeks.

There is a lot of projection going on in this thread. You idiots don't know shit.

Agree with R116. In the old days of the monarchy, or anyone of wealth and privilege, someone would have discretely paid MM a large sum of hush money to break it off with Harry and slink back to wherever she came from. Then they would send poor, broken hearted sap Harry off on a world tour for a year.

If they fall behind with the mortgage repayments Meghan will have to get that dope body out in Playboy. Or maybe one of their new neighbors will make an indecent proposal to Harry?!

How much for a night in heaven?

I'm just flabbergasted. Meghan enjoyed initial popularity. The Royals got concerned and dicked over Harry. The media eviscerated her. He chose his wife over them. I would have done the same.

And now trolls make up this deranged misogynistic fan fiction about them.

I wouldn't be surprised if they get the last laugh.

R122 I'm a Brit and in the beginning she was given a great welcome by most of the press, mainly because it sells papers to say Diana's son has found happiness! After the wedding and their continued stupid actions they were criticised more, as would be the case with any celeb or Royal.

Meghan didn't help herself with her hugely expensive baby shower, not really "hitting the ground running" with work (how many engagements did she attend or involved was she?), all the secrecy over the baby's birth and refusing the public one lone pic (after the amount of our tax they've spent).

The came shitshows like Wimbledon which made her look terrible, if there's one this our younger Royals can't be it's elitist (in public) and the cost of Frogmore. Add to that the leaked stories from all sides, the excesses in spending, the hypocrisy over private jets, the lawsuits, did I mention not doing very much actual fucking work?

The media are there to see and if you're giving them the stories then they'll print. Average Brits have little time for "wokeness", being told how we should live by a notorious dimwit and his wife, being accused of racism at the drop of a hat. These two made their bed, and it's a Californian King. They couldn't care less about us.

Harry and Meghan should invest in a good psychiatrist.

But she only recently claimed that she was white and came from Malta!

Lol R125 she really was very pretty a few years ago, especially with her hair down. She doesn't look nearly as good since she married sourpuss.

She claimed to be white on her CV and then went as far as Malta to tamp down any questions about her mother's skin colour.

Until .... the WEDDING

Meghan is the same thing as a bed of knives.

Charles bought the house. Harry isn't dipping into his inheritance, and she doesn't have enough money. Besides, you don't pay for something that you're scheming to get for free in the settlement in a few years.

Harry needs to set up a charity helping the poor and homeless in LA. It'll give his life some structure and meaning as well as being good PR. He can then spend his free time playing polo and fucking bits on the side. Then he will be happy.

I think that Harry has become successful in achieving what the Duke of Windsor achieved. As the no longer necessary "spare", he has divorced himself from the Family Firm.

It is all Betty, Chuckie and Wills et cie. .

Just like his mother, he is now free to become The People's Prince.

It would be a supreme dig if Betty created them Their Royal Highnesses, the Duke and Duchess of Windsor and Sussex.

Yes Royal Highnnesses...in exile.

Her room is what I expected. Needs a monkey under silk on a massage table.

Is it certain that's the house? It would kill Charles to part with 17M pounds. That is a lot of money by anyone's standards (except the Russian oligarch gang.)

You can see her settlement starting to take shape. She's clueless about PR, but props for piracy.

[quote]Harry and Meghan should invest in a good psychiatrist.

And when you say good I'm assuming you mean who says things like "Your grace under pressure is heroic" and "the pain of being so unfairly misunderstood must be beyond measure."

[quote]Klan Granny thread. F&F and block.

That's so cute. I want an ice cream! I want an ice cream!

I wouldn't worry too much about cleaning. Going by the Scobie book, Megs is the next Princess Aurora. She'll just fling open a few windows, sweetly whistle and the local fauna will swoop in to do the job for her.

Polo ponies cost a lot of money. Somebody has got to get some work and make some major $$ soon.

R134 No, I don't consider quacks in that category.

39 yr old female sure did well for herself. Not even going to mention race. Why do blacks hate gays so much. We support them

Great. Dimwit Harry can now have a place to call his own (until Meghan steals it in divorce settlement). Dontcha know he’s a man of the people, a man of independent means (propped up by inheritance and bank of dad) who now gets to lecture to the public about global warming/ environmental issues while sitting in a mega-mansion in an exclusive neighborhood. Mega-mansion and gas-wasting luxury Cadillac SUV at their disposal, eating up resources to maintain and run.

These two hypocrites wouldn’t engender so much ridicule and hate if they don’t also present themselves as woke humanitarians always preaching about how WE are the ones destroying environment and being racist.

Harry who is do dumb that he needed teachers to cheat for him in order to pass secondary school, now feels compelled to speechify on issues of which he knows little. His dumbassery plain for all to see as he reads badly written, woke speeches that are nothing more than corny and meaningless phrases strung together in paragraphs. Watch him as he reads from script, emphasizing the last words of each sentence like a moron trying to sound deep.

R138... like they'd listen to your kind of psychiatrist. LOL.

R141 I agree. They know best, to their detriment.

R140, exactly. If they'd just shut up and live the indolent life of luxury she craves, OK. But this insistence in pursuing a great humanitarian model that doesn't align with the evident love of the shallow and superficial just grates. She is living the American dream on money she hijacked from Britain. OK. But don't kid yourself people can't see that. Helen Keller could see that.

He gave every impression of being content with his role, especially the work on Invictus, which actually was a significant accomplishment that leveraged his position for good. The meaning and recognition and purpose it gave to disabled veterans was a lifetime of rewarding work. I guess he was lonely and a lot of women he would have married sooner didn't want the restraints of the lifestyle. (Had they known then what we know now, they might have chosen differently and the two of them constructed a much less epic failure that wouldn't have cost Papa so much bloody money!) But it seems he is deeply scarred by the loss of his mother at such a young age, in circumstances where it's easy to invent a monster to blame, and following a combative divorce and perpetual tug of war between the separate lives of the parents. Even a person who is grounded and wise would have trouble transcending that, so imagine one who is evidently 90% emotion.

I was always skeptical of an American actress who grew up in L.A. culture having the skills to adapt to the culture of monarchy. (Just to pre-empt the trolls, her race was irrelevant to me. She was very attractive on the surface, in the beginning.) I always found her a bit generationally artificial and really went off her when she dominated the engagement interview - it wasn't even 50 50 doing the blathering between them and it stood out to me how stunned she was about the Commonwealth, let alone that she admitted it - look at my ignorance! Isn't it charming! - I cut her some slack again in wedding sentimentality and watched it all go downhill from there. In and out in 18 months? She wasn't up to the job and if she was didn't even try.

The papers say Haz made the $5Mil down payment, and the remaining mortgage is linked to Sparkles' business manager's address.

It's ALL business, baby.

[quote]r125 But she only recently claimed that she was white and came from Malta!

Can you quit with the racist spewing?

She simply said, “Coming to Malta has been really important to me because my great-great-grandmother lived here, so we’ve been trying to trace the ancestry.”

That has nothing to do with some invented scenario where she’s denying being mixed race.

R143’s post is awfully long.

Every time I think of Harrys relationship,I am reminded of a girl I once knew (a daughter of a friend) who met some guy when she was 17 (a 30 year old black guy with an extensive criminal record ) who was bound and determined to be with him no matter what anyone said or did. Her parents tried everything under the sun to make her see the future but she refused to listen. Long story short,3 kids later and her not even 30,hes long gone and her once promising future is a distant memory . Like a spoiled child who stamper her feet and was determined to have her way,never thinking of the long term consequences . That was her,and thats Harry. Kid yourselves he was desperately in love with her all youd like,but he was a child determined to have his way. Act in haste,repent in leisure is a cliche for a reason.

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R148, Harry got everything left to him by his mother when he turned 30. There are no trusts tying up his inheritance from her.

E' s craving the cock, e' is, that's what's e's problem.

They should move to Africa and help Africans.

What about that money they made from those speeches?

[quote]E' s craving the cock, e' is, that's what's e's problem.

Dick van Dyke, the desk dancing was one thing but settle down, we get it... you can still...

Santa Barbara is one of the most boring, insulated, mind-crushing places in the hemisphere.

Those two nitwits will hate it and he'll be 350 pounds, bald and fucking anything that can wait for his blue pill to kick in within two years.

Polo? Give me a fucking break. That smells like Markle "we so fancy and royal and all that" PR.

All she has is her marketing and it's completely inane and self-wounding.

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So you mean to say r149 that he had all of his millions lying around in cash in banks. It had to have been invested carefully - and with the help of the BRF's best financial advisors - so as to maximize its income. We're now to believe he's gone and liquidated his assets to buy this grossly over-sized monstrosity of an estate, that will cost upwards of $4 to $5 million a year just to maintain, never mind their other living expenses?

Never mind that in taking such a large chunk for the down payment, it seriously cuts down his future annual income stream. And with no alleged pre-nup in place, Meghan could potentially make off with half the value of this house (minus any outstanding mortgage).

Why do you insist he liquidated his holdings? I don't think that's true at all.

And of course Markle has half of the bouse value. What is your point?

The house is held by a blind corporate entity.

For all anyone knows, it could be an asset of the Duchy of Cornwall.

Skeptical. The LLC address of record is Markle's "business manager's" address.

Smells like hiding assets to me,lest she gets HER ass sued and loses.

What, Meghan's business manager/ LLC is holding the title of the house? Wow she's a scammer but now so brazen.

Well being sixth in line for the throne must sting. That is not even in nomination territory.

"As to why Harry is so angry...I think it's down to 3 years of being ridiculed in the international press as being stupid, gullible, and pussywhipped; his chosen wife trashed as being a whore, vulgar, manipulative, greedy, and dishonest, and his child called ugly. "

Oh no. The anger with the BRF and his lot in life predated his marriage by years if not decades. I think he married Meg because she promised to help him leave and set up a new life, one where she'd make millions on social media and he'd do what he liked, and they could tell his dad and relatives to shove it.

Odds are it all dates back to the death of his mother. Losing your mother at age 12 would be traumatic for anyone on Earth, and would leave any normal human being with major psychological issues, and cause huge problems within the interrelationships of any family. I think there were rifts and resentments going back to the divorce if not the first time Harry was old enough to understand the arguments between his unhappy parents; I think his issues quieted down a bit while he was busy with army life, and from his childhood to 2020, his anger and unhappiness was hushed up by the BRF's press corps. It was there all along.

Their "wokeness" is so grating because it's utterly fake.

Neither of them gives a rat's ass about anyone but themselves, they're both angry, greedy, and selfish to their cores, and any sensible person who pays attention to them realizes it. But they think they can sell the "woke" thing, on social media and in public speaking, and face it, what the hell else have they got to sell? Neither of them have anything to say that would interest anyone else, but both of them are aware that supporting good causes is what the idle rich do to look good, and it's a great way to launder money, avoid taxes, and squeeze cash out of social-climbing oligarchs. And they can use it to subtly criticize his family. So, they fake being woke.

Yes, R164, that's the back story. But he's furious that it's all blown up in his face. He's worse off now than when he started, because his reputation is in tatters.

[Quote]Harry's inheritance it tied up like a drum in airtight UK trusts, there is no way he can touch the principle.

It wouldn't surprise me if trusts like this have provisions for the withdrawal of principal for the purchase of a first home. Only the firstborn son inherits in the British aristo system. Surely, some provisions must be made for them in the trusts left behind including buying a residence.

"He's worse off now than when he started, because his reputation is in tatters. "

He's going to blame Meg, eventually.

Princes don't do actual work, they delegate, and he delegated the problem of maintaining their lifestyle to Meg, who swore she could make millions marching on social media and the public speaking circuit. Well she didn't get the job done, and when he finally realizes she's made a mess of it, she's going to catch it hot!

[quote]r164 Odds are it all dates back to the death of his mother. Losing your mother at age 12 would be traumatic for anyone on Earth, and would leave any normal human being with major psychological issues, and cause huge problems within the interrelationships of any family. I think there were rifts and resentments going back to the divorce if not the first time Harry was old enough to understand the arguments between his unhappy parents

I agree with this. Plus seeing his grandmother take sides with her son over his mother probably disgusted Harry, and caused new fractures.

Big Liz famously bungled that one. I would imagine Prince William felt more of an allegiance to her - as she's his direct boss and he'll presumedly take over her position some day - but as the spare, Harry would be more apt to think, "Who the fuck are you people??"

(just a guess)

[quote]r168 he delegated the problem of maintaining their lifestyle to Meg, who swore she could make millions marching on social media and the public speaking circuit.

It's nice they let you lie under their bed, so you can listen to all their conversations.

R156, yes, that’s what I mean. Investments aren’t Chinese finger traps. There’s these things called computer networks and they moves billions around the world 24 hours a day. It’s his money. He can use it as he likes. You can sell a block of stock in minutes. People with money have lines of credit. Five million isn’t a problem. Are some of you that naive or that poor? Christ. Rich people accessing money isn’t difficult.

The problem is not transferring funds from wherever to California, R171; it may be that Harry's funds are tied up in a trust, from which he only receives the income and cannot touch the principal. But who knows, Harry is 35 and he may have used his income cannily and amassed a fortune over the years....

OK so what don’t you understand about this? He inherited all of his money at age 30. Why would it be tied up in a trust? It’s his to direct/deploy. There is no basis to think that he’s put his cash in complex trusts that he can’t access. A good advisor, which I think we can all agree he would have, would have structured his money to provide for investment income, liquidity, and diversification. The idea that someone would tie his fortune up in knots to make it hard to access is just stupid.Why would that be a good idea? Why would he agree to it? And let’s pretend for a minute he did. That means millions are secured in Trust. Hard assets. He could arrange to borrow against those millions in a matter of minutes. He would have an existing line of credit that would allow him to put 5 million down with the signing of the document. Honestly are you people that poor? This is pretty basic. This is not high finance.

R173 etc - Harry isn't worth 100s of millions of $, calm down. He is, at max by every published account, worth between $35-$40 mil max, mostly from inheritances. Five million is a large amount of that principal, 10-15 % or more.

Remember, Harry isn't an EARNER of his $. He has no history of creating or earning his own wealth, he gained it by inheritance, his military pay was paltry. Using up 10-15% for a down payment for a first home doesn't seem a big deal on the surface, but considering he isn't bringing in any income to replenish it, and has limited skills to do so and is already 36 yrs of age, it matters.

Sorry, I get really easily riled by naked stupidity. Thank you for explaining your baseless speculation.

And should add to my post at r174: he needs nearly $5 million per year just to MAINTAIN this new home and lifestyle. That's another 15% of his wealth, and again - nothing coming in to replenish it.

Forty million just isn't a lot in this situation, with this level of lifestyle they've now created. They're living, at moment, way over their means. It will remain to be seen how and when they can generate some income.

Well, self-appointed DL financial guru, I am not privy to the financial arrangements of the BRF, but it has been broadcast widely that he has an income of about £300,000 pa from his mother's legacy. That does imply that he may not have access to the principal. Could he raise $5M on that? Could he make the interest payments on a mortgage?

You may also have read Charles had a hand in this. But Cary in, Charles Schwab. You’re amusing.

Basic understanding of investing isn’t self appointed anything. You don’t know what you’re talking about. You don’t know what he’s worth. You don’t know how he can structure a mortgage. You don’t know whether he’s paying for it or Papa is paying for it. You’re just making shit up. All I’m talking about are conventional frameworks for investing for high net worth individuals. And 40 million would be considered high net worth by any respectable arm of a bank. Don’t embarrass yourself further.

They said they were moving to the US to become financially independent. If Harry had so much money at his disposal, why would they need to do this?

Do what?

Move to the US to become financially independent.

What we do know is that neither Harry nor his wife have any work, from the look of him he has quite a drug habit, he has been deemed unemployable in Hollywood and the British public do not want him back.

Let's see how far his £40M goes..

I don’t know. Let’s think. To get richer? Delusions of revenue through film and documentary making? Skimming 10% off a for-profit charity? Somebody didn’t like being told to wear pantyhose? Who knows? What does that have to do with his ability to buy a house? You may not be aware, as you seem unaware of so many financial basics, but interest rates are at historic lows. It’s cheap to borrow money. People often borrow money to preserve their liquidity. If you don’t know what liquidity is google it. I’m done trying to help you understand basic math.

[quote]You don’t know what he’s worth.

It's been well reported in many reputable outlets what he's worth. His mother's will was public, we've had long threads on that subject on this board. He's worth in total roughly $35-40 million on paper, he receives about $400,000 per year in income plus his military pension.

We don't know what Charles contributes. He may have contributed heavily to this purchase, but as a long time watcher of this family I'm going to say he probably did not. The optics (for Charles) would be poor, given circumstances in the UK and ongoing questions re public funding of the BRF....I could be wrong, and will admit if so, but I don't feel in this instance I'm far off mark.

I'll repeat: $40 million is certainly high net worth, but NOT if you put down $5 mil on a property (and still owe $10 mil+), and require $5 mil per year to maintain said property, your security, and overall lifestyle. AND you have no earning history or known earning capability in your mid-30s, as you've always been supported by your wealthy father and the family business in another country. That $40 mil will go "poof!" within a few years.

R183 gets it.

R185, grasp this: rich people know how to use other people’s money. They don’t often pay cash. Interest rates are cheap. They aren’t like you at dollar tree paying it out quarter by quarter. Quarters to them or a period of time not an amount of money.

At most banks, high net worth starts at a net worth of around $1 million. Just throw another fact in there.

Why, thank you!

At least you’re not the other one. And even a broken clock is right twice a day.

r187 grasp this: if there's no income coming it to pay for it all, and there's more cash outflow than inflow annually, there's no more money to 'move around'. Even the high flying wheelers and dealers you're so fond of referencing get this.

The individuals involved here don't create wealth, never have. It remains to be seen if they ever will - a big question mark. You forget who you're talking about here.

Got you on block, R191. The stupid was getting too much. Try the big print version.

Bye r192, see your way out.

I'm kind of giggling at all the outsiders here, wringing their hands over the precariousness of a Prince of England's financial state.

He is fine, and sends his love.

R173, that depends on who the trustees of the trust are. From a legal perspective, they would sign the mortgage documents, not Harry.

Frankly, I'm more interested in why a Russian crook would sell a $34 million home for half-price.

Again? What basis is there to assume or believe a trust or trusts were put in place for a 30 year-old who has reached the age he was entitled to inherit his share of his mothers state?

Trusts are typically used to allocate money for the benefit of one party by another party, and in estate planning. Sometimes they are established for minors whose money is always managed for them given their age. But Harry inherited free and clear at 30. If he put money into trust he would be a trustee. Do you really think he’s likely to have put his own money in trust and then given someone else control over it? That doesn’t make any sense. Here’s a primer on trusts. Learn.

Again? What basis is there to assume or believe a trust or trusts were put in place for a 30 year-old who has reached the age he was entitled to inherit his share of his mothers state?

Trusts are typically used to allocate money for the benefit of one party by another party, and in estate planning. Sometimes they are established for minors whose money is always managed for them given their age. But Harry inherited free and clear at 30. If he put money into trust he would be a trustee. Do you really think he’s likely to have put his own money in trust and then given someone else control over it? That doesn’t make any sense. Here’s a primer on trusts. Learn.

^^ deeply attracted to conspiracy theories

sorry, r199 was in response to

[quote]r196 Frankly, I'm more interested in why a Russian crook would sell a $34 million home for half-price.

Fun at parties and on fora

We don’t know if Harry’s trust was collapsed. There are many reasons why a trust could be extended, particularly for someone as stupid as Harry seems to be.

Good question r196, thought the same thing myself. It is a sharp price drop, although maybe the owner just needed to dump it for multiple reasons.

I continue to have doubts about their ability to maintain this property. The math doesn't add up and something odd is going on (wouldn't be the 1st time for this couple...). The crotchety self-appointed finance guru here didn't appear to read my posts, which weren't about their ability to purchase it - of course rates are very low and money will be lent to a UK Prince - but how they will *keep up* with it in the coming yrs. The income just isn't there, at least at the moment.

Yes, we do.

The r204 article is interesting, because it shows how Diana's family essentially disregarded her ammended will and cashed in by eliminating bequests to her godchildren. They were supposed to get 25% of her personal property (each share of which would have been worth, conservatively, £100,000 or $160,000), and instead were fobbed off with "a tacky momento" each.

Sadly, this is pretty much how everyone, titled or not, acts when large sums of money are at stake. And don't for a second think every last member of the BRF isn't guilty of it.

We also will never know any of that family's true holdings, because dynasties like that have trusts within trusts within trusts, all designed to hide wealth and keep it secure and/or available..

Was Sparkles' crap PR Sunshine Sachs listed on that budget? Can't forget that half-million or whatever per anuum for an outstanding job of guiding the Harkles into the hearts of everyone everywhere.

No we don’t r204. An inter vivos trust may have been established for tax purposes. This allows for income splitting, and hence, less tax paid.

I’m not suggesting you are wrong, just that your assumption is just that. We just don’t know how these funds are held.

The daily mail article conveniently doesn’t highlight that 3.3 million per year of the imagined 4.4 million house running costs per annum are for security. In other words the actual house related expenses are 1.1, which seems plausible if low considering a large chunk of that is allocated to mortgage payments.

The security, PR, etc are all major annual expenses but not really related to specifically keeping this awful McMansion up.

R208 is making sense. Harry will find away to make money. I don't get why these royals go after older women. Waking up to forty yr old when you could wake up to twenty year old. Odd.

Because, love?

R209, generations of mommy issues, too.

[quote]No we don’t [R204]. An inter vivos trust may have been established for tax purposes.

Well, the article is pretty plain in stating Harry received his inheritance and makes no mention of it being encumbered in any way, so unless you're going full Trumper and just believing what you like, I'd say a published article in reputable magazine trumps, in the previous sense, your "may."

But for fun let's unpack your make believe.

First, Harry's money (and William's) was held in trust during their minorities. The terms of the will dictated they would receive it in full at age 25, with no conditions upon inheritance imposed (see Diana's will, online.)

It read: "for such of them my children PRINCE WILLIAM and PRINCE HENRY as are living three months after my death and attain the age of twenty five years if more than one in equal shares PROVIDED THAT if either child of mine dies before me or within three months after my death and issue of that child are living three months after my death and attain the age of twenty one years such issue shall take by substitution if more than one in equal shares per stirpes the share that the deceased child of mine would have taken had he been living three months after my death but so that no issue shall take whose parent is then living and so capable of taking."

No trust. No nothing. Just hit 25, collect half of an estimated 17 M pounds, pass go. But I imagine you don't believe her will so something else "may" have happened that supports what you wish were true.

However, here in reality, after review of an application by the executors a court changed the terms of the will to delay inheritance to the age of 30, but providing for interest from each share to be given to each son annually between ages 25 and inheritance at 30. Again, no rules, no trusts, nothing but a delay of five more years for each son before the money landed in the bank (or this magic trust, which they magically decided would be a good way to manage their money - by tying it up under someone else's control. Sounds like the first thing Harry'd do, doesn't it?)

Now to the imaginary, maybe, possibly inter vivos trust, aka your Hail Mary maybe. An inter vivos trust is an estate planning tool. It is also revokable. It is an election by the rightful owner of assets. It is not imposed. Impositions that relieve an individual's (who has reached their majority) of control over their own affairs, including their money, are the result of competency proceedings (in the UK under the Mental of 2005.). No one could impose an inter vivos trust on Harry and there is no logical or reasonable basis to assert that Harry established one (see they magically decided would be a good way to manage their money - by tying it up under someone else's control. Sounds like the first thing Harry'd do, doesn't it?). (Because it's a Hail Mary assumption on your part... could I suppose his money is all tied up in cashable GICs and perhaps the next poster could say he spent it all on Apple shares and has them hidden in the shitter at Frogmore? Be a lot of fun while we wait for Harry to burn through all his capital, which could be awhile, if he put in a trust he doesn't control. Because if he didn't, your baseless assertion falls apart.)

But on the long shot one now exists because Harry did magically decide it would be a good way to manage his money - by tying it up under someone else's control. Sounds like the first thing Harry'd do, doesn't it - it would be usual Harry and that wife would be trustees. It is not usual a mentally competent individual (or in this case likely when you consider Harry was keen on finding freedom) to imagine he would turn over his money to control of another person. In any event, if he did have this unicorn trust, as it is revokable, he could revoke and easily raise money for a down payment on a house. He could also use the contents of the revokable trust as collateral for a mortgage or a secured line of credit.

It is also entirely possible Prince Charles has funded the entire venture so whether Harry's worth 4o million or 4o bucks is irrelevant. But again, I'd only be speculating.

Hopefully plausibly, which would be the difference between us.

Good Googling though, I'll give you that.

And one last thing before you Google another stubborn but... the standard of proof in UK civil law is the balance of probabilities.

This means that the party bearing the burden of proof must demonstrate that it is “more probable than not” that an assertion occurred.

Where do you reckon the balance of probabilities would land on your notion there may be an inter vivo trust (or any other trust or mechanism) tying up Hapless' money? What proof demonstrates your assertion?

R212, we wouldn’t know if an inter vivos trust was established. Unlike wills, they are mot a matter if public record.

I never stated it was an absolute. However I certainly would have advised to establish one, as it is protected from not only matrimonial claims, but also, lawsuits. The annual income drawn from a trust, OTOH, is not.

R143 well said. The engagement interview was the start of the Meghan Show. I was hopefully optimistic but not for long. The earnest stalker staring @ Harry during the wedding, not to mention the Markle family soap opera leading up to it, sealed the deal. This is now a shit show beyond all shit shows. This Montecito house? A brokered deal. For what, I have no idea. There's no way H&M actually bought it. Charles didn't buy it. Time will tell. I wouldn't want to be indebted to the people they are playing with now.

r216 You think they may be playing with fire? Maybe big players or serious crime related?😮

Yes, I do. They are halfwits so it's likely they don't grasp what they are actually into. But they are being controlled now if this house deal was a quid pro quo. And it always is.

I hope the press dig deeply on this one r218

If you are right then they are a major security risk to the UK.

The conspiracy theories never stop - -

Inter vivos trusts cannot protect assets against liability and they cannot deny a spouse his or he rightful entitlements under common law, unless the spouse is an informed party that agrees freely and with full knowledge (third party counsel) to surrender those rights.

Again, balance of probabilities. We cannot know there is an inter vivos trust, just as we cannot know if you are stubborn, unable to accept defeat, delusional of just plain stupid. But given you latterly invoked the fanciful notion you possess the notion or by inference professional standing to advise on financial matters and your dogged insistence that we must take seriously that of which we have no evidence, the balance of probabilities suggest you are burdened by one of those three deficiencies and I'm done and blocking, because I don't have time for the dull or the daft.

Harry's good friend, Nacho, raises polo ponies in Argentina as well as playing the polo circuit. Nacho will give Harry a few polo ponies. Nacho just publicly supported Ellen. Now we know it's because she is a neighbor of H&M.

I think that H&M will move from this house within a year once they find out what a hassle it is to get into LA and back. They are probably just looking for convenience in launching Harry's mental health project with Oprah, who is now a neighbor.

Nacho has been on the Ellen show more than five times over the years and has been friends with her longer than the Harkles have been together, r222

The pink castle bedroom would be perfect as a guest bedroom for Prince George when he visits.

In the Zillow listings, some of those big mansions have been on the market for 4 years. It could be why the Russian oligarch cut his price in half or the mansion was vastly overpriced from the beginning. But the deal reminds me of the Russian oligarch who paid 3 times the asking price of Prince Andrew's dilapidated house and then demolished it.

The Santa Barbara fires and mudslides could be a huge factor in why those homes have been on the market for years. I think Rob Lowe's house has been for sale for 4 years. Rob's house looks like a country club not a family home. Oprah bought Jeff Bridge's house next door to her house that was wrecked by the mudslides.

Katy Perry is house-hunting again in Montecito. She grew up in Santa Barbara. She's so close to her due date, it has to be hard house-hunting. I have a feeling it's because Orlando Bloom's beloved little dog, Mighty, disappeared recently and only his collar was found. I'm sure a coyote ate Mighty. I can see why Orlando doesn't want to live in the house that would be a constant reminder of Mighty's death. A coyote killed my cat when I lived in an LA canyon. I was there at the time. It's hard to get over.

The Russian oligarch who owns the Vancouver Island house where H&M spent time, is a friend of David Foster, who is married to MM's friend from high school, Catherine McPhee.

It is harder to sell a house that is owned by a trust. But, if the trust is held by Prince Charles, then the point is moot.

Mel Gibson's Malibu house that is/was on the market was held by a trust, so maybe lots of famous people have homes that were bought by trusts. A neighbor whose apt. is owned by a trust (she's a bitchy heiress to a food fortune), could not be sold. She took it off the market. This was a few years ago.

Why would it be any harder to sell a house where the property is held within a trust?

I don't know why homes + apts held by trusts are harder to sell. I just always heard it.

Harry should be using this lockdown time to get his hair transplant. It wouldn't be visible when he does his Zoom videos. David Beckham's turn out ok in the end, it's just that his hair is dyed too dark. David looks better with blonde hair.

[quote]The Russian oligarch who owns the Vancouver Island house where H&M spent time, is a friend of David Foster, who is married to MM's friend from high school, Catherine McPhee.

It's been dispelled that Meghan went to HS with McPhee or even knew her well. Megs went to Immaculate Heart in Los Feliz, McPhee to Notre Dame way over in the Valley. McPhee is also two yrs younger than MM, its doubtful they hung out.

They probably crossed paths in local theatre circles as both were big in drama/theatre in HS. There is a photo of them taken together around that time, both heavily made up so it presume they were backstage someplace.

Kiki Dunst was at Notre Dame, is same age as MM and was also active in her school drama dept, but you don't hear stories of her 'knowing' MM.

[quote]R277 I don't know why homes + apts held by trusts are harder to sell. I just always heard it.

That’s false. The house would an asset within the trust, like stocks and bonds...which are traded and updated regularly to maximize profit.

A Trustee (ie, the overseer) will often do what a Beneficiary requests, as long as it makes sense. A Trust is set up to aid its Beneficiaries.

Trust Funds can be set up a million different ways though, with their own unique stipulations. It all depends on what the person who establishes it wants.

In the absence of a fraudulent conveyance, inter vivos trusts do, in fact, protect assets if structured properly. Even in fraudulent conveyances, there us case law that suggests the beneficiary is aware of the fraud, although I wouldn’t hang my hat on such a defence. The key is to name a class of beneficiaries. That’s the law in the UK, Canada, and a number of Commonwealth countries. I have a quarter century of practice in drafting trust documents, and in advising on “busting” trusts. Your knowledge appears to be based on google searches.

In English common law, beneficiaries cannot interfere with the operation of a trust, although they do have equitable remedies.

What do you mean by "interfere"? That's vague.

R228

Wikipedia says McPhee went to Notre Dame in the Valley.

Other articles state that McPhee went to Immaculate Heart and graduated from it.

MM and Katharine McPhee were friends when they were in high school regardless of whether McPhee attended Immaculate Heart or Notre Dame High School.

r233 for fucks sake what is the "social gazette"? Try a more reliable link next time.

McPhee went to ND - see MY link, starting at 2:08 for her homecoming there when she was on Idol (I can't believe I have to link to this shit to make what should be a firm point).

r234 there is NO evidence that MM & KM were ever friends in HS. Acquaintances - perhaps, there is one photo of them posing backstage from that time period. They were two yrs apart, but both active in drama club and probably crossed paths thru that. The idea that they were good pals back then is pure revisionist history, from both. Why weren't KM & David Foster invited to her big wedding, if there were so close?

R235 Give it up. Katharine McPhee and MM have been friends since they were in high school. There are 626,000 results on Google. Be my guest and read all of them, you asshole.

Here is just one of them.

You think that makes Meghan look good, r236?

Because...it doesn't.

"I look at my husband, for example. He's never been able to vote ... The right to vote is not a privilege, it's a right in and of itself"

I'd gladly trade my one vote for his obscene wealth.

I invited all my friends to my wedding!!! Oh, wait...

Well, Megs, If Harry is willing to give up his titles and the money from the monarchy, he'll be free to vote as much as he likes, so I guess you'll get right on that, right?

Right?

R220 yes, whoever believes in criminals who conspire to do shady shit is really insane, you’re right. Who in their right mind would believe such a ludicrous thing to even be a possibility?

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The dumbfuck at r236 who is apparently in love with no-talent Whore McPhee thinks that a link to an E! interview with same no-talent whore, claiming to have gone to HS with MM (when of course, she did not) is proof they were 'friends' as teens. Just because she says so. As we say here, 'Oh my sides!'

Revising history is a specialty of dumb D-listers like this.

[quote]r242 The Harkles phoned a fan linked to foul mouthed attacks on Kate to thank her for fundraising. [/italic]

[italic]"One post called Duchess of Cambridge a 'b****' and Prince William an 'a**hole' "

Oh my goodness! I do hope they were rushed to hospital!

So.. the vicious troll who comes on here every day to shut our conversation down is called Dani and lives in Portugal?

And she regularly threatens people with police and FBI while also threatening to kill them?

I see.

I wrote off Portugal after they fucked up finding Madeleine McCann. Keystone cops, on permanent lunch.

[quote]r246 And she regularly threatens people with police and FBI while also threatening to kill them?

What are the post #s for these? I really want to read them!

While I follow the antics of the asshole couple, I am not steeped in the drama with their stans. So correct me if I’m wrong, it now appears that the Sussexes’ mouthpiece Scobie and Meghan herself are chummy with some vile social media stans including this woman in Portugal. She apparently runs several Twitter accounts that exist to launch attacks on the BRF, particularly Kate, William, and even the Queen. Posts that even wish death on the Cambridge family so that the Sussexes would be heir to throne.

If that is true then that is horrifying and pretty daring gor self-described humanitarians who rail against social media bullying.

What’s the source on this?

The Sun, r250, the Daily Mail, and anytime one goes on the twatter.

The Sun has article with screenshots of some vile tweets from the Meghan supporter whom Meghan called to personally thank for support.

Oh and even McCleans has weighed in on the entirely disgusting "Sussex Squad"

Omid Scobie also invited the woman behind the Twitter account to be a guest on his podcast I believe. He even thanked her for her good work supporting the Sussexes via tweets on Twitter. Unless he is claiming amnesia or extreme ignorance of the vile bullying this particular exemplar of Meghan stans represents, then he’s now being outed as being a fucking hypocrite himself.

[quote]r252 The Sun has article with screenshots of some vile tweets from the Meghan supporter

Those "vile tweets" don't seem any worse than the stuff that's posted here, though. For instance, [italic]"The way that Harry and Meghan aren't part of that shitty, messy, toxic institution anymore is most pleasing to me"[/italic] isn't an uncommon sentiment, here at DL or elsewhere.

[quote] She told The Sun: “I feel like it’s not my place to condemn or approve another person’s tweets. It’s their opinion. Henryscousin was like a forum and I had no control what other ­people posted.

She uses the same kind of rationale talk as Trump. Well, water seeks its own level.

Many people think so. There are fine opinions on both sides.

R255 It’s vile if it’s coming from your two-faced, hypocritical family members, the ones who accuse others of bullying. If you can’t see the difference between what we do on DL and what the Sussexes’ relationship with Scobie and bullying stans, then that says a lot about you and what you consider appropriate with your family/ relationships. More galling is the fact that Harry snd Meghan lecture the public about toxic culture social media. Again, it’s just another instance of them doing the opposite of what they preach. It’s gross.

Reading the Maclean’s story it’s undeniable they attack here, like everywhere. Even here.

How would they even know what DL is, though, to targe it? Are really that famous a site these days?

I suspect you’re inflating our value a bit. But then, you get worked up about everything.

Okay, my typing above was really horrible - trying again!

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[quote]R258 Reading the Maclean’s story it’s undeniable they attack here, like everywhere. Even here.

How would they even know what DL is, though, to target it? Are we really that famous a site these days?

I suspect you’re inflating our value a bit. But then, you get worked up about everything.

Hardly, r255. The only people who talk like that around here are the Megstans who come here to invade the threads and get them shut down. They are the most vile fanbase on the internet.

Oh, come now. With all the bad things going on in the world, you think our biggest problem is people rightly outing the BRF for what they are?

[italic]Snap out of it![/italic] And pull that scepter out of your ass.

R238, Meghan has obviously failed to grasp that the monarch is Head of State in Britain, and has been prevented Constitutionally from participating in politics since the unpleasantness with Charles I. The Queen, unlike her subjects (who can all sit in the Public Gallery), is not even allowed to enter the House of Commons. When she opens Parliament, the Commons are invited to attend the House of Lords, which is available to her.

Harry is in the top 10 in line to the throne. There has never been a law stopping him from voting, but it is regarded as unconstitutional for someone that high in the line of succession to show political partisanship. The BRF side-eyes Prince Charles for having too much to say about policy matters as it is. The fact that the Queen has been able to give measured advice to PMs on both sides of politics throughout her reign is one of the things Brits treasure about her.

And yes, one trades one's right to vote for one's right to become Head of State, should the eventuality arise. If he removes himself from the line of succession there's nothing to stop him voting up a storm.

In Australia, where all citizens must vote, the Governor-General, who is the Queen's representative and Head of State in her stead, follows the convention of writing to the Electoral Office each election to advise that he will not vote, and by convention the Electoral Office accepts this.

The Harkles are both uneducated boors.

R165 the problem is that they do have a strong fanbase of mostly US American racist sycophants (who spit on the royals but would love meghan and harry to be king and queen and seem to be those lowlives that are in awe of celebrities) and they will keep throwing the racism card around unironically.

Harry and Meghan seem to live for that support.

R255 you mean it IS an uncommon sentiment.

Unless you are one of those people I just described in r264... you need to check your perception of reality.

R263 not only uneducated, but they simply believe in absolute monarchy (but only for them). Really a "modern" royal family huh?

R262, I’m not R26 but BRF isn’t in our face lecturing to us daily about how exemplary and woke they are, how we should strive to emulate them. We’re constantly being told by the Sussexes of how we should become environmentalists like themselves and how we should repent our racist and bullying ways.

Right message but wrong messengers. We should be living more environmentally friendly lives, but this reminder should not come from bloviating hypocrites who live in mansions, fly private jets, and drive gas-guzzling luxury SUVs, We should treat each other nicer, but message should not come from morons with inherited wealth/ position preaching to the masses about how much kinder and more inclusive they are, while perched atop of the most exclusive/ white communities in the country.

Their latest screed is virtual signaling in the form of social media bullying, when they are the ones, again hypocritically, engaging in the very thing they publicly decry, bitch, and moan.

So with all the problems of the world, you think it’s a big deal that people on a gay gossip site is outing the Sussexes for who they really are? DLers differ from other gossip sites in that we turn on celebs even gay celebs if they stink of fakery (Jussie) , bad behavior (Meg’s friend Ellen), or try too hard hoes (too many to mention as examples).

The Sussexes were originally popular here but not now. They’re cunts who behave transparently cunty. We talk about them because they’re the grifting gifts that keep on giving to gossipers.

^^^should say I’m not R261

R267 certainly likes hearing herself talk[bold] : o

R269 you mean like your idol Meghan? And yet you are here on a thread that’s thrashing her. Admit it you’re a stan doing damage control duty for your KWEEN!

R269 Are you even gay? You type frau and stupid btw, just though you might know. Don’t come on a gay site and tell us what we can and cannot gossip about

^^^thought not though

^^ and did you leave out a “like to”?

FYI, Breaking News: We’re discussing you in the FASCIST TROLLS thread with great concern!

[quote]R 205 The anti-Meghan Markle posters are convinced anyone who criticizes the British Royal Family is a scary operative who’s infiltrated DL in order to get their threads shut down.[italic](”They are the most vile fanbase on the internet!!)[/italic] ROTFL

[quote]R 207 the irony is that the influx of the pro-royal family posters can probably be chalked up to a troll invasion. [bold]The median organic poster is quite critical of the queen and the ridiculous monarchy.[/bold]

Before you get all huffy, just remember it’s a compliment to your frenzied efforts that you’ve been noticed. Carry on with your madness...

So, you Megstans are now claiming that it's "Fascist" to dislike Harry and Meghan, r274?

You sound sane....

Girls, girl, girls, girls GIRLS! Everything will be OK once Old Prince Racist drops dead. We all know that is it Phil's ingrained racism and his nasty mouth that gave impetus to Harry and Meggs flight from the family firm.

Did Meggs really see herself turning into The PR cutting ribbons at Tescos in Truro?

Methinks not.

Truro lacks the charm and desperation of Rochdale.

While I’m sure the BRF must have SOME redeeming features underneath it all... it certainly would be funny if the entire line of succession was wiped out in a disaster, and the reluctant Harry & Meghan had to return to rule.

They, and the entire UK, would be like, “?!?!?!”

R278, I’m pretty sure that the monarchy would be abolished before their plane landed.

Seriously. If Harry even got up to third in line or something, the Monarchy would be ended in the UK faster than you can say "OUT!".

The whole country, to the extent that they ever think of him, hate him with the fire of a thousand suns.

R235 I've blocked you. But I must apologize. MM and Katharine McPhee were friends IN highschool not SINCE high school as I thought. And yes, they appeared in high school musicals even though MM attended Immaculate Heart and McPhee went to Notre Dame High School in the Valley.

This article confirmed that you were right. They weren't the best of friends.

"She was lovely, and she remembered me," the American Idol alum said of Meghan ...

R243 Trevor has one of the ugliest mouths I've ever seen. It's pretty embarrassing that his uncle has come out bashing MM. Trevor found his perfect match in his new wife who picked out the trashy gold china pattern.

Nacho has known Prince Harry for 13 years, far longer than he's known Ellen Degeneres.

Apology accepted r281. I myself apologize for getting riled up. I mean, who cares about K McPhee? The epitome of D-list.

One reason I was so perturbed was that the clearest indication they were never good friends was the lack of wedding invite. Primarily b/c McPhee didn't even get to B-list until she married Foster, and that was mid-2019, a full year after MM & Haz tied the knot. And THAT was when you started hearing media reports of their so-called "hs friendship". As if. Talk about mutual users, MM and KM.

Now unblock me so you see this, & get back to gossiping.

Well K McPhee did have a role in a series on *network* tv, not cable.

Have you guys seen the new TV doco about Finding Freedom, "Harry & Meghan: The New Revelations"? It's great fun.

There are a few talking heads rabidly defending Meghan, including noting what a huge star she was and how she strode the world stage as an activist, and generally how much she gave up to grace the Royal Family with her presence for five minutes, during which time she and Harry were by far the most popular Royals and outshone everyone and made them jealous.

BUT then there are a number of Royal Watchers, including DL fave Lady Colin Campbell, who speak in the most polite and charming British way about the Harkles and the book's new revelations, all with the glaring subtext, "How deluded IS this bitch?" There is some wonderful footage of red-carpet Meghan pre-Harry, which is used repeatedly - no, she's not in a state of undress but in a state of unbridled narcissism. It includes one of her celebrated vivacious laughs at nobody.

My personal favourite part was Meghan's opinion that she was rejected because, having all these impressive qualifications and being bi-racial she was so different from anything that had happened to the BRF before, and they couldn't cope with it. IMO she was EXACTLY like someone else they knew, and they knew from bitter experience exactly what to do and how fast. Like Diana, the Harkles also spend time in the book whingeing about how nobody in the BRF tried to help or mentor her. (In Diana's case Charles didn't GAF, but why wouldn't everyone assume that Harry was taking this role?) Anyway, for some reason the Duchess of Cambridge was supposed to understand that this was her job and hop to, despite having very recently - and may we say offensively - given birth to an heir closer in line to the throne. Alas, Kate failed because she is an evil racist who is so up-jumped she believes she should be Queen instead of Meghan. I was surprised they didn't mention how she was spitefully thinner and had better hair.

In other words, it's even worse than we thought, but the true DLer will gain solace from hearing all those toffs pour such caring and loving scorn over her. At this point the BRF probably sit around the dinner table meditating, "You know, dear Wallis wasn't really all that bad."

Well, to be frank, she wasn't, compared to the Thirsty of Sussex.

Wallis was a Nazi sympathiser.

R288 is forgetting there were good people on both sides.

R288 - and Harry wore a Nazi uniform to a party. LOL.

r290 ( in the voice of an M&S add) , not just a Nazi uniform, but an Afrika Korps uniform.

So now the publicity-shy couple is shopping themselves as a commodity for unnamed project in Hollywood. Hmmmmm.....so much for wanting privacy as reason for leaving the Firm.

Maybe the top secret project is an in-depth examination of Big Liz’s “practically decomposing” cunt?

So now the publicity-shy couple is shopping themselves as a commodity for unnamed project in Hollywood. Hmmmmm.....so much for wanting privacy as reason for leaving the Firm.

well, after the shellacking they took over the Scobie book, maybe they are looking for a new medium to tell their sad story. It's only a matter of time before: step aside "Hamilton" - it's time for "Harkles: The Musical"

I am now increasingly even more convinced that the answer is yes.