***BREAKING NEWS: GHISLAINE MAXWELL ARRESTED BY FBI***PART TWO

Wasnt the supposed boyfriend in manchester by the sea a supposed defense contractor? She is being protected all along, but by who? There are other people in the US who want her dead — Barr? Trump? This is a woman who can pilot helicopters and submarines and why? There is a trafficking ring and she is a trafficker but it seems more than that. Is she CIA? Is she Mossad? Why didnt she go to Israel then? Who is she working for?

You know, I was JUST reading this somewhere. Oh, that's right - here.

Boring. Did she "commit suicide" yet?

[Quote]I pronounce it Ghee-lenn.

ATTENTION DL: this is the CORRECT pronunciation of her name. All French speakers here know this and the trafficked girls who've been interviewed on TV pronounce it this way. Because its correct.

GHEE-LENN

Is R2 retarded?

I'm the guy who posted in the first part that I don't understand Jizz's relationship with Epstein.

I really do not get it. A woman talked about Jizz raping her and even said it was all about Epstein, so what was in it for her?

"A virgin and a child at the time, Doe explained, Maxwell would use toys and penetrate her with her fingers. 'When this started, she told me that Epstein was getting upset because I kept bleeding, and that she was helping so that it wouldn’t hurt so much because it should be satisfying.'"

She’ll be suicided or only name enemies of the GOP in exchange for a deal. Alex Acosta is ready.

She better be careful, there's a strange couple hanging around outside her door.

Best laugh I've had today

‘Ghislaine & I: Tales from a Pizza Parlor’ by Alan Dershowitz

My God that man doth MUCH protest

New Hampshire Department of Corrections currently has no Ghislaine Maxwell listed as an inmate online.

Maybe she's incarcerated under a nom de prison.

Check this out... where they are, where they're sitting, who's next to her.

Come on Jeff

We’re gonna rape some girls

And all that Jizz

^^ please cut and paste this pay-walled articlr

Exclusive: Ghislaine Maxwell 'won't sell Prince Andrew out' Socialite will never offer information on the Duke of York as part of a plea deal, insists one of her closest friends

Ghislaine Maxwell will “never” offer any information about the Duke of York as part of a plea deal, one of her closest confidantes has revealed.

As a new photograph on Friday night emerged of the socialite sitting in the Throne Room at Buckingham Palace, Laura Goldman, who has been friends with Ms Maxwell for several years, told The Telegraph she would “never sell out” Prince Andrew.

The extraordinary image, showing the 58-year-old lounging on a throne alongside the Hollywood actor Kevin Spacey, emerged after she was arrested on sex-trafficking charges linked to Jeffrey Epstein on Thursday. It is believed to have been taken in 2002 – three years before the police began investigating the late financier for child-sex crimes.

It is thought Ms Maxwell’s arrest could have significant implications for the Duke, 60, who was reportedly introduced to the billionaire paedophile by her in 1999.

In an exclusive interview, former New York stockbroker Ms Goldman sensationally claims that Ms Maxwell had a “fling” with the Queen’s son, with whom she has remained close friends, last meeting at Buckingham Palace in July 2019.

“The only way she can walk is if she gives someone up, but that definitely won’t be Andrew,” said Ms Goldman.

“She is so appreciative that when she first came to New York, the Duke helped to launch her into high society. She always talks about what a true friend he is. She doesn’t see any reason to speak about him to the authorities.”

Ms Goldman suggested that the Duke’s “sense of entitlement” may have blinded him to what was going on inside Epstein’s depraved world.

She said: “Ghislaine’s always told me that Andrew’s kind of stupid and naive and if there were girls in the house while he was there, he would have thought they were servants. “All these people thinking he is evil are just wrong. He is just the kind of entitled person who sees everyone as a servant.”

Ms Goldman suggested that Ms Maxwell is more likely to talk about former US president Bill Clinton and President Donald Trump, who were among the disgraced businessman’s high-profile associates. No allegations have been made about either man.

Ms Maxwell was discovered in Bradford, a small town in New Hampshire, and charged with helping to entice underage girls to travel for sex and lying to investigators. It is not known how she will plead.

It is understood she has been moved from Bradford, where she was arrested after evading investigators for a year, to a nearby federal facility before a court appearance in New York.

The youngest daughter of the late media tycoon Robert Maxwell is central to allegations made by Virginia Roberts Giuffre, who claims she was trafficked from the US to London and was forced to sleep with the Duke when she was 17.

The Duke himself has always strongly denied the claims, maintaining that he has no recollection of meeting Ms Giuffre.

She alleges she was introduced to the Duke in Ms Maxwell’s London home in March 2001, with a now-infamous photograph of the Duke with his arm around the younger woman said to have been taken at the residence.

Ms Maxwell is accused of lying about Epstein’s sexual activities, including the recruitment of underage girls for sexual massages, and his use of sex toys. The perjury allegations are the only charges brought against Ms Maxwell to date that relate to a period of time when the Duke knew Epstein.

The more serious offences of child sex trafficking and grooming are alleged to have taken place between 1994 and 1997, two years before the Duke was introduced to Epstein.

US prosecutors said they would “welcome” the Duke’s testimony as part of the ongoing FBI investigation.

His lawyers claim they twice contacted the US Department of Justice in the past month but received no response. On Friday, the Duke’s legal problems mounted after a new lawsuit from one of Epstein’s alleged victims was filed on Thursday.

The civil claim is being brought by Caroline Kaufman, now 26, who alleges that she was sexually abused by Epstein in 2010 when she was 17 at the financier’s New York mansion. She claims that she was raped while the Duke of York was visiting. Ms Kaufman said she was invited to the house for a “modelling interview”, according to the claim seen by The Daily Telegraph that was filed at the Manhattan Federal Court against Epstein’s $630 million (£505 million) estate.

Prince Andrew was pictured leaving the Upper East Side townhouse in 2010, two years after Epstein was convicted by a Florida state court of procuring an underage girl for prostitution.

The Duke claimed he had travelled to the US to cut ties with Epstein, who committed suicide last year in a new York cell while facing fresh charges.

e claimed he had travelled to the US to cut ties with Epstein, who committed suicide last year in a new York cell while facing fresh charges.

The lawsuit does not accuse the Duke of wrongdoing or of being aware of the alleged attack. He has previously said of Epstein, who died in prison last year: “At no stage during the limited time I spent with (Epstein) did I see, witness or suspect any behavior of the sort that subsequently led to his arrest and conviction.”

Audrey Strauss, acting US Attorney for the Southern District for New York, has urged the Duke to come forward to be questioned.

Since the arrest of Ms Maxwell, the Duke has not yet seen the Queen, who remains in isolation at Windsor Castle.

How does Audrey Strauss stop Barr from having Jizz suicided?

Berman couldn't stop Barr having Eggstein suicided.

The SDNY may be independently-minded, but they still belong to Barr.

Jizz is held by Federal Marshals, a part of Barr's empire. (She's in Club Fed, guys, that's why she doesn't show up on NH's Dept of Corrections find a felon site.)

Where is she? This is bullshit hiding her awayn during a long weekend so they can find a way to eliminate her.

Jizz is held by Federal Marshals.

The press should be all over this. But no.

Right before the 4th of July it was equivalent to a Friday night news dump.

What can the press do R27?

Why does she always look so trashy? She grew up wealthy and went to Oxford, but she styles herself like a frumpy housewife in a suburban McMansion.

R30, I don’t think she looks trashy, exactly. She doesn’t look like a Poor. But she has crappy taste.

It's that black hair on someone of her age. Makes her look older and trashier.

The stress on the Prince Andrew involvement is a distraction for Dump

Jiz!!!

She looks like an aging Jewess but she isn't Jewish. Her father came from a dirt poor family who had no time for fashion as they were too desperate to make a living, before they were murdered by the Nazis and their collaborators. Her father became the Labour MP for Buckingham: it wasn't the done thing in the Labour Party to look elegant. Jizz is the daughter of her family.

She look fine.

Local NYC news reporter Kristen Shaughnessy kept pronouncing her name “Jee-LEE” or something like that, today. It was so odd.

Stick with Ms Muckswill and avoid all the confusion about her first name.

Alan Dershowitz is a disgusting, sociopathic J.

I see everyone as servants ....

... and I love raping and torturing the Help

r1 is flying really fast and furious with the conspiracy theories.

What proof do you have that Ghislaine was a Mossad agent or asset? Why would any government want her stench or responsibility on their hands?

I would only think adversaries of the West like Russia — not a nice country with freedoms, middle classes or democracy. And that's only if the intel she had was big enough. Maybe statutory rape and prostitution of American politicians isn't worth any government's while to give her asylum.

FWIW, THE SUN did report that Ghislaine was spotted visiting the Israeli embassy in France this year:

Do we know where she is being kept?

BTW, the "Maxwells Were Just Normal People with Bad Parenting" Troll from the first thread, who's absolutely certain that Ghislaine Maxwell did not have an anti-social personality disorder, despite not obtaining independent medical diagnoses and knowing NOTHING about sociopaths or the Maxwell family, is ABSOLUTELY WRONG to accuse me of "making excuses" for Maxwell and her parents.

DEAD WRONG, DUMBASS.

Sociopathy doesn't mean she didn't know what she did was wrong, or that it wasn't her fault, or that her parents could have prevented it. Clearly, Ghislaine knows she's done wrong and always tried to game and out-maneuver the system.

All sociopathy means is that she should be in prison with specialized therapy added and the rest of her family evaluated by medical professionals and public warned about them.

Reply 593 in the other thread needs to unhinge his ignorant rage upon the idiots who are blaming the men in Maxwell's life or claiming she was sexually abused herself with ZERO proof, or the airheaded psychic claiming Epstein "stole" her mind and autonomy.

r6, you have been informed repeatedly with credible media reports and court documents that Ghislaine needed AND wanted the money from Epstein, as well as power and social prominence.

So STFU already, you're just a troll.

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Ghislaine is half-Jewish, r35, spent time on a kibbutz in Israel in her youth and was recently witnessed attending the Israeli embassy in France.

The orthodox view that "you're not Jewish if you don't have a Jewish mother" doesn't erase Robert Maxwell's parentage, Ghislaine's lineage and upbringing.

ROBERT MAXWELL ESCAPED NAZI PERSECUTION IN EASTERN EUROPE BECAUSE HE WAS A JEW!

HE JOINED THE WESTERN ALLIES BECAUSE HE WAS A JEW!

HE MADE TIES WITH ISRAEL AND BECAME A NATIONAL HERO THERE BECAUSE HE WAS A JEW!

ROBERT MAXWELL IS BURIED IN ISRAEL, FOR JEHOVAH'S SAKE!

The facts about Robert Maxwell's Jewish heritage.

Who cares if Bob was a Yid R46? Jizz's mother was a French Protestant; those Protestants are not known for their fashion sense.

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Poor Queen Liz. Her son, Andrew, always a dim bulb, got involved with a pedo ring - fun times. What Queenie and her protectorate didn't know is that the pedo stuff was the least of their troubles. It is now emerging that Epstein and Ghislaine were involved in much, much more sophisticated spying, plus blackmail and arms deals (the real money). The pedo blackmail is small potatoes in the big scheme, which goes back 20 years, while Epstein infiltrated Harvard and who knows what else. This is going to be some excellent reading and will shake the credibility of the crown and poor Queen Liz. Very sad. Is it hard to believe that some Americans (Dershowitz) will be dragged through the mud?

Danny Casolaro and Gary Webb died trying to break the crime syndicate Danny called "The Octopus" . Drugs and weapons, spy software, and blackmail of the tippy top creatures slithering around.

[quote]Is it hard to believe that some Americans (Dershowitz) will be dragged through the mud?

Then Ghislaine will suddenly have a massive heart attack very soon. RIP.

She looks like her vag smells

There seems to be either misconceptions regarding a state of "impoverishment" Jizzy Lane had endured, and that she subsequently became financially beholden to Eggstein, or there are outright fallacies printed by British newspapers.

This morning in The Mail, it was reported that despite her father's guilt, and pariah status, Jizzy Lane was still left with a trust fund which generated an £80K annual income. She may be a money grabber, and insatiable, yet she was never really broke. She also owned (freehold) her Belgravia townhouse. It was never just about the money, she could have easily married someone rich, and possibly even respectable. She had several other options.

Another newspaper, I believe The Telegraph, had reported not only her cash purchase of the Bradford NH estate, and caretaker's cottage, but also accounts totalling in excess of $20M.

It was noted in several articles I've read that this $20M fortune was not linked to previous sums given her by Eggstein, as that was reversed, and had gone back into the Eggstein coffers.

I think she was a kinky freak who enjoyed her power over these young girls. I believe she enjoyed the sex thoroughly as well. I should think one must have to love it to continue with such madness. I believe she enjoyed pleasing Eggstein in this fashion, as he lost interest in her sexual charms, and she understood she would never be enough for him. Some DailyMail articles claim she told confidantes Eggstein reminded her of her father, and that was part of the attraction. Seems quite believable to me.

I also surmise she has cut a deal, as she has declined bail. She understands she is safer in custody.

I saw that earlier today R14 and had to chuckle, Spacey thought he was about to embark on a comeback and then this happens.

[quote]Ghislaine’s always told me that Andrew’s kind of stupid and naive and if there were girls in the house while he was there, he would have thought they were servants.

Ghislaine must be scared shitless if she's got her friends saying things like this to the press to try to calm the royal family down.

R41, a lot of that talk comes from articles like this one:

[quote]It's also reported that Maxwell was seen leaving the Israeli embassy, which is likely to stoke conspiracy theories linking Epstein's "madam" to the Israeli secret service.

[quote]Her late father is buried in Israel and it is rumoured that both father and daughter have ties to Mossad.

R61 There have been several such articles as well as interviews on YouTube where people suggest this. Another I have heard was that Ronald Lauder had provided Eggstein and Jizzy Lane with Austrian passports when he was the American Ambassador to Austria. It has been rumoured that he is Mossad as well. He was also the president of the World Jewish Congress.

Mossad likes two things very much in double agents, or international assets: great personal wealth, and power, and access to others of great wealth, and power. I don't find anything antisemitic or conspiracy minded to mention these theories, or believe they are very real possibilities. This is even more plausible, given Robert Maxwell's history...some even believe he was a triple agent.

As a Jew, I only find the statement or belief that "Jews control the world, or cabal" to be both antisemitic and paranoid.

^ sorry, Lauder still is president of WJC.

Her saggy tits bother me.

About time! The woman is a pimp and a sexual predator and I can imagine a lot of people are sweating right now - if Ponce Andrew wasn't sweating then he is now ;)

I think we can predict Maxwell will either end up dead, "suicide" or she will suddenly develop COVID-19.

She's decidedly butch looking in the face. Hard lookin' broad.

[quote] Danny Casolaro and Gary Webb died trying to break the crime syndicate Danny called "The Octopus" . Drugs and weapons, spy software, and blackmail of the tippy top creatures slithering around.

Hail Hydra!

She dresses like a soft-butch psychologist.

Ian and Kevin Maxwell have ties to Russia. Is it possible that the Russians have all the dirt on GM and JE?

She certainly is a fan of shell tops.

Is she dead yet?

Wonder what the Queen thinks of that throne room photo.

Did they say she had 4 passports? US, UK, and what other countries?

France, Israel.

Someone mentioned in this thread or the first one that Lauder got her an Austrian passport. If true, that would make five.

The consular officials of four different countries must be very busy making sure their girl survives this ordeal and is not suicided by Barr. I can't imagine the Austrians would bother much, tho, even if they did give her a passport. And why does she have a US passport?

She dead yet?

I really doubt Ghislaine has Austrian citizenship. The American ambassador can't just give out the citizenship of the country he's an ambassador in and why would Lauder give a shit about Ghislaine Maxwell?

Is it actually true that Ghislaine was in France though? If so, it wouldn't make sense that she would have gone back to the US as France never extradites its citizens.

According to the prosecutors, Maxwell has 3 passports (France, UK, US). No mention of her having been in France recently.

I wonder how she got her US passport? The only way I can think of is Epstein hiring her and somehow getting her a green card...and after 5 years, you can apply to be US citizen.

^ Probably in no more than two phone calls.

She has 15 bank accounts. How does one even keep track?!

She has a good bookkeeper R83.

Where can you buy a 156 acre estate for a million? Whatta deal!

The idea that she was hiding out is absurd. The Feds always knew where she was. Has anyone checked the property records: as R85 says, $1m is cheap.

A prediction.

I'm the resident lesbian (more like bi..) woman, who thinks she's hot. I hope she will be ok.

I don't understand why she would be living openly (to me, that's not hiding) in the US. There must have already been a deal in the works?

Has the lawyer who obtained the LLC been investigated yet?

Why would you investigate the lawyer? She hadn't been charged with anything, she wasn't a fugitive. She was on thin fucking ice but if every lawyer avoided mundane transactions involving clients on thin ice you'd have nothing but bluechip corporates firms, a couple of guys to do wills and divorces and the likes of Cellino & Barnes.

[quote] She has 15 bank accounts.

When I read this I reflexively wondered why it is in the present tense. And then I remembered that Barr hasn't gotten to her (yet) and she is still alive-ish

No amount of money means that Ghislaine didn't also want MORE, r58.

Truth is, she was a greedy bitch and having money, power and prestige were much more important to Ghislaine than sex, as is always the case with women.

She settled on Epstein because she found a like-minded sociopath who shared her family's criminal values. Not only was breaking the law to get ahead a-okay in her book, she actually arranged and witnessed violent, surprise rapes of underage girls by Epstein. You have to be a psycho to do that or think it's okay.

There's a lot of rich crooks in the world with mafia ties or cheaters' values like the Maxwell family's. But not many of them approve of rape and trafficking for pedophiles.

P.S. Ghislaine's recent lawsuit demanding money from the Epstein estate proves that she has always taken and wanted money from Epstein.

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We have explained many times to the likes of r88 in these threads that Ghislaine is wanted for similar crimes in France and the U.S. is probably the place Ghislaine thinks she can get the most leverage and leniency.

We have also explained that when you're a psychopath like Epstein and Ghislaine, you think you control everybody and can always beat the system.

In this case, Ghislaine thinks her powerful friends and blackmail material will protect her. And Barr is proving her right, as Acosta once did.

She learned about money management from her old crooked father who was a thief of epic proportions. Stole hundreds of millions of pounds from his companies' pension funds to shore up the shares of the Mirror Group to save his companies from bankruptcy. They only recovered enough from various sources (including money from the government) to pay retirees 50% of their retirement incomes.

There are TONS of mentions that she's been in France recently, r80.

Pay attention and read the entire threads.

20 millions is chump change...She's gonna be bankrupt soon. Her legal bills will put her in the poor house!

In related news, The Times (U.K.) has the following FRONT PAGE headline today:

[bold]Ghislaine Maxwell case: Prince Andrew’s ‘no recollection’ defence is wearing thin

Don't bother, The Times (UK) sucks as do all alleged royal experts such as the author of that piece.

Ruthless cunt. I hope she dies.

Just watched the Netflix documentary and was shocked to learn that many of Epstein's victims also recruited girls for him but are not being charged because they were underage and considered victims themselves. I guess Jizz-Lane, or Gee-Lane, or Gee-Len, is different because she participated in the abuse herself.

I can't say I care how her name is "correctly" pronounced.

She threw her lot in with a pedo and procured victims for him. Therefore "jizz lane" is a perfectly acceptable pronunciation of her name.

Jizzy became a U.S.citizen in 2002, thus the passport.

I think it might be possible that "G-Max" was picked up by the FBI before they arrested Epstein at the airport last year. She may have been the informant all along. So, they keep her in a holding pattern, allowing her to have a little freedom, then bring the hammer down when they are ready to go after the big names; maybe.

R78 is unbelievably naive.

Ever heard of the Mega Group and Mossad?

Idiot.

Epstein was a member of the Trilateral Commission for 10 years and the Council on Foreign Relations for 15 years

There’s your Lauder, etc connections, in part.

What was her route to citizenship R102?

Here.

Giz! Giz! Giz!

Idiot anti-Semite at r103, the US prosecutors stated Maxwell's citizenships, and they are 3 - French, UK and US. Why would she even want Austrian citizenship anyway?

Why would she want USA citizenship? From a tax perspective this is a poor decision. Many USA citizens living abroad have dumped their USA citizenship because of unfair taxation . .

Wonder why Epstein never married her? It's not like evil, sexually predatory, rich and well-connected women are easy to come by.

She was legit his female counterpart.

R109 refers to Boris Johnson amongst others. He even bitched about the exit fee so it must have been eye-wateringly high, lol.

I was referring to friends in Switzerland, but yeah, Boris is right. The exit fee is the You're-dead-to-me fee which is very much like a death tax.

I'm not sure, r105. I assume Epstein's attorney, Darren Indyke arranged it. You can be certain it wasn't obtained in the normal way.

She was Epstein’s handler.

Knew multiple languages, was a helicopter and submarine pilot.

Knew multiple languages, was a helicopter and submarine pilot.

Trained by Mossad? Why did she have to become a pilot for her line or work?

She sounds a bit fascinating to be honest. I'd like to see her escape and go on the lam internationally. The Brits could do the story justice in a mini-series.

She's going to be the next Jane Bond. Barr is Blofeld. Mitch can be Le Chiffre.

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[quote] Maxwell’s capture followed a £4 million, year-long ‘cat-and-mouse’ hunt for her by the FBI

She's talented. Or is it that the FBI are woefully inept?

DM: "Officers smashed through the front door to find her sitting down, dressed smartly"

This is theater. The deal’s been done for months.

Exactly, r121.

Its not theatre unless we see the tape. I don't believe the deal theory.

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From the Fail article:

"An insider with knowledge of the year-long hunt said FBI agents have been ‘on her tail’ since last August when Epstein killed himself in a New York jail after being arrested on child prostitution and trafficking charges.

A staged photograph of Maxwell sitting outside a branch of In’N’Out Burger in Los Angeles was released by friends days later, but investigators concluded it was a ruse to throw them off the scent.

The source said: ‘This has taken millions of dollars and hundreds of man hours. At least five million bucks, maybe more.

A mystery man is seen at the New Hampshire property Tuckedaway owned by Ghislaine Maxwell following her arrest on Thursday +10 A mystery man is seen at the New Hampshire property Tuckedaway owned by Ghislaine Maxwell following her arrest on Thursday

‘The FBI has been tracking her for a year. They had her, then they lost her. She was in Colorado and Wyoming then they lost her until she showed up in New Hampshire. It’s been a high-stakes game of cat and mouse."

Unless the FBI is beyond stupid (which is possible), this feels staged, as stated above. As if this was pre-arranged with law enforcement to "take "her when she had already made some kind of deal. Though I still think she could commit "suicide" in jail. Really, not sure what to think...

It would make sense, r79, because Ghislaine is wanted for similar crimes in France, where Epstein was indicted.

As we have told you many times, Ghislaine probably thinks she has the most power to beat the charges in the U.S.

Did Barr fire Berman because Berman was stalling on Jizz?

Or did Barr fire Berman because Berman was about to pull Jizz in?

(I assume the latter, in which case Jizz and Audrey Strauss are in danger.)

Answers on a post card please.

Some news reports suggested Barr was trying to shut Berman down because he kept calling for Prince Andrew's testimony.

We might learn more after Berman consults with Congress. Unfortunately, those proceedings will be private.

We know who her enemies are, but who are still her friends?

Someone posted a thread on twitter that she was possibly hiding out at Yolanda Hadid's farm in PA for a period of time late last year.

Link R129?

R132 Yolanda Hadid, Aiding & Abetting

It is absolutely unbelievable how we let the wealthy get away with things. Jizz & Jeff are going down because they pushed the powers-that-be too far.

Hahahahahaha

R35 Jewish enough for the ovens

Early in their relationship, how on Earth did Epstein and Jizz broach the subject of their shared perversion? How does that even happen? Did she accidentally walk in on him nude with a little girl and go, "Whew! This is a relief. I see we both have something in common. I was waiting for the right time to tell you"???

How did they amass so much money? Just millions- perhaps billions.

I hope she never gets to see any of it ever again.

I live in the seacoast of NH. She is in the HARDCORE Arkansas and republican New Hampshire!!! The NH that I RUN FROM. Central/northern New Hampshire..

Big trucks. Hunting. That trash bag capital - Concord. What a dive. Manchester is pretty disgusting too.

And bitches, THERE IS NOTHING THERE!!!! I am very surprised that she chose that area- especially when she could have stuck around in Colorado- or ANYWHERE!

R140, I guess that explains the $1m price tag on her house, 'Tuckedaway', plus 156 acres. I assume she was armed to the teeth yet there was no shootout; strange that.

The money probably initially came from eggy scamming wexner.

After that, I thought he had some sort of "hedge fund" that was more likely a money laundering operation which allowed him to hobnob with those of a certain income level. That's probably how he met jizzy.

He then starts throwing little "intimate parties" for certain friends and gets plenty of blackmail material.

Once you have the right connections to launder that quantity of cash, none of those people GAF about your personal perversions. Unless, of course, you can cater to their perversions as well.

Nobody is gonna rat anyone else out because there's no one to rat them out TO. They're ALL in on it or can make this shit disappear.

Eggy just got a little too big for his britches and brought too much attention to himself. He had to go.

R141- Exactly. My rental hovel (which I loved) is about a 10 minute walk to the beach- and was a straight up cottage that would have sold for 550 K. I was told to beat it, and the owners tore it down 2 weeks after I vacated, and are building their dream home (10 minute walk from beach ) which is easily 950K (on 3/4 acre!) No ocean view, either. You can hear the waves though-

Bradford NH is hardcore nowheresville. She really picked a good place to hide. Anyone with money and class would choose ski country in VT over that trash bin. (Central NH is seriously NOWHERE. It is trash bag republican hick central- however, beautiful- and it really is- To my knowledge there is no "organic" anything within 60 miles...

That floored me. As NH is known for NOTHING. And she still was found....

Good luck, you rapist and rapist assisting and abiding CUNT. What a nasty woman. Fucking pig. And god bless those young women.

[quote]Some news reports suggested Barr was trying to shut Berman down because he kept calling for Prince Andrew's testimony.

Trumpy loves the Queen.... if Barr is as much in the bag as it seems maybe he did it because Trumpy asked/ordered him to, for no other reason than just to suck up across the pond.

[quote]Early in their relationship, how on Earth did Epstein and Jizz broach the subject of their shared perversion?

Lots of ways. Pillow talk. Manipulation. Grooming. Esptein was a monster. He may have found in Jizz a weak personality who could be manipulated or a damaged personality who offered her soul. If she circled, sensing in him something that fed some damaged need in her, it wouldn't take long to exploit that. Understatement of the year, but she's obviously not right. And that's the kind of personality monsters find and use.

So was she in NH to be close to the Canadian border for a quick getaway, but was foiled by COVID?

I live closer to the Canadian border in NW PA than she did where she was in NH.

This is some DARK MOTHERFUCKING SHIT. I am shocked that the dyke above thought she was "hot". She was/is a monster. She was part of a group of folks so evil and disgusting that I don't think anyone here has any idea what evil lives amongst us. And that is the truth. This is who RULES this world. Its depraved and sick.

R146, yes you do- It's central NH. It's nowheresville. Truly. There is NOTHING there. And it's vibe is no different from Mississippi or fucking Arkansas.

I grew up in a town of 3000 not to far from there, Its nowhere.

The kind of place where Larry, Darryl and his other brother Darryl would be considered the classy ones?

R149, yes. Hell yes. NH is nothing, At least VT has the ski cache. NH in that area is devoid of jobs. Its devoid of everything. Frankly, NH only SURVIVES thanks to Massachusetts. I stand by that. Massachusetts is the lynchpin of NH, and all of New England.

According to that documentary on netflix, she was very charming and witty and good personality. Epstein needed her at his parties. He kept her around for that and plus she needed the money, she found ways to be useful to him, invaluable...she knew he had this sickness so she helped him...and became part of his sick operation.

Odd really, one doesn't think of NH as being all that trashy. But I'm just a homebody, what do I know?!

NH is the West Virginia of New England, hardscrabble & bleak.

Well, yes. Did you expect her to hide out in the Hamptons?

She would have been better off in Labrador/Newfoundland but Canuck seems to be one passport she doesn't have.

So she's been hiding in plain sight since last year?

[quote] So she's been hiding in plain sight since last year?

Yup, and apparently fooled the FBI if you please. Murky.

R153, that’s interesting. Generations of my family were farmers there, back to the American Revolution. Being a frugal unsentimental snip runs deep.

How did she wind up in NH?

[quote] How did she wind up in NH?

The FBI told her, last year, to hang out in NH so that they could delay bringing her in and could claim that she had slithered away out of sight. As if. She even changed her name to G-Max and hid her true identity from KFC deliveries etc. Had the FBI completely fooled, apparently: they really do take us for suckers; and now we are expected to pay our taxes - which means we really are suckers.

G-Max, Belle of the Super-Max

Everyone please pay your taxes by check this year, to signal our displeasure at being regarded as suckers.

She must have some damaging information/state secret that she had been shopping around for years and the US paid the highest price. She could have escaped long ago if she needed to.

When I was travelling in America last year I stayed in rural NH for a week. My travelling companion and I are John Irving and Stephen King fans and we wanted to spend some time taking things slow and getting away from the cities. We booked a craft brewery and blueberry farm just to get a feel for ordinary country life in America.

What we didn't expect was the level of de-population in that area. It was like living in an archeological site. Winding roads running through forests full of stone fences and crumbling chimneys where there was once a agricultural district or broken down weirs with old hydro plants and an acre of vacant factories and warehouses. It wasn't the spectacular decay I'd seen from places like Detroit, it was all very genteel and picturesque. Coming from a country where arable land is in short supply it was hard to fathom why this huge area had just been abandoned.

That being said, it would be a great place to hide out. All those winding roads going nowhere but through endless forests.

Well this is an interesting assertion re: Epstein and Maxwell and Israeli intelligence- by one of their very close confidantes..

Omg, bitch is COMING for Andrew!!

These are flat out threats!

wow Melania's old face

I hear they're holding her in the same facility where Epstein was held and dispensed with.

What are the odds Ms. Maxwell will become exceedingly despondent and commit suicide? Did you bet 100%? I did.

Another suicide is just way too obvious. I'm kind of liking the idea posted upthread about a convenient case of COVID-19. It's much more au courant and plausible, since it is already known to run rampant in prison settings.

You know what is so strange about this story is that it’s all very smoky and vague. Even the documentary was basically saying there is something larger here, there is something even more sinister in the shadows. And it’s way over her and way over there at the same time. Does that make sense?

If you think about a typical scandal, all the pieces and characters are laid out and there is familiarity with the details and characters. Even though there is always speculation and gossip and unsubstantiated and inaccurate assertions, the context is always rigid. And finite.

But here, it’s diffuse, vague and suggestive. This a story about a ghost. A phantom menace.

There is something right here in front of all of us. But we can’t see it.

This the stuff of elaborate, implausible conspiracies theories but the more it unravels the more it appears that whatever it is is real.

It will probably be declared a Covid-19 related death. It's not like anyone is going to see the real death certificate.

I’ll get my day in court. I did nothing wrong. It’s perfectly legal to be a wealthy sleezebag stateside!

You have to think about the feds right now as being split in two.

You have the old guard and the new fascists.

if this arrest was by the old, then that is good news which means the good guys have her in custody and will get some answers.

If it’s the new fascist that have her, then yes, they probably want to either shut her up or use her to damage the clintons and the BRF at the same time.

I wonder if The Donald bought Melly-Mel from Epstein & Maxwell?

R127, if Ghislaine is wanted for crimes in France, then why did she go there? Why didn't the French police arrest/question her? If she was on the run from police in both the US and France, then why board international flights where presumably she'd have to hand over her passport and be identified, especially if she was flagged?

And don't forget there are currently flight bans between the US/EU.

Ghislaine went from being a young Kate Bush doppelganger.

to looking like French Vogue's 90's American chief editor Joan Juliet Buck.

Additional background info, don't know if it's been posted here before: Robert Maxwell obviously was a known Mossad asset, and Epstein apparently was too, from way back in his days at the Towers Financial Corporation pyramid scheme, where he apparently laundered money (I guess that's how he avoided doing time like Steven Hoffenberg did for that fraud). That's where Maxwell and Epstein knew each other from, and after Maxwell's death, when Ghislaine needed support, she and Epstein found each other -- she was the social opener, he was the money man, and together they built up a clientele of the rich and shady for underage sex, money laundering and blackmail.

They were perfect for each other, because as her daddy's favorite child, Jizz was used to dealing with a sociopath, and probably was actually looking for someone like that. Plus, she obviously has sociopathic tendencies of her own.

So was the recruitment of girls like a pyramid scheme itself? Like each girl, once they were ensnared, needed to bring in so many other girls as a means to get out? Or was there like a signing fee they got for getting other girls to come in? Why were girls who were being abused and raped so eager to get their friends involved as well? And was Maxwell basically in the Artful Dodger role?

Some don't seem to understand what child prostitution is. Kids are being brought in, their spirit and defense mechanisms are broken through traumatic actions (like getting raped, beaten and tortured for days or even weeks) and then when they are broken mentally and physically, they get build up with the captors' agenda in mind. Making them perfect whores and spies who follow orders without pause or question. The ones who can escape and return to a normal life, and manage to get rid of the brainwashing, remain mentally scarred for the rest of their lives.

The only difference between the kids and Jizz is that she grew up in that fucked up environment and for her it's totally normal to use and abuse people in the most horrible ways to get what you believe you are entitled to based on your (former) social standing.

"This lede has made me believe in Qanon"

You know who's name I'm surprised hasn't been brought up yet? Beau Biden.

He seems like such a natural Epstein mark, and yet apparently managed to stay away from him. Joe must be so fucking relieved.

Why Beau Biden?

Q: "How do you know [Ghislaine] was not [Epstein's] girlfriend?"

A: "Because she was not 12"

I can't remember where I read it but some report was claiming that she was fucking Prince Andrew too LOL. yeah right...

R185 Yes, Ghislaine had a sexual relationship with Prince Andrew.

R179 In the interviews that I saw on youtube with Epstein's victims, the recruiter girls said that they got paid a finder's fee of $200 per girl that they brought to Epstein. It meant that they didn't have to have sex again with Epstein but they could still make money.

One girl said that she never lied to her friends about what they'd have to do sexually with Epstein and they agreed to do it. But that recruiter girl feels guilty and has terrible remorse.

Some of these were poor Florida girls were high school friends.

Workers seen reinforcing Prince Andrew's front door at Royal Lodge this morning.

Epstein victim, Virgina G., said she had to have sex with Ehud Barak.

Some of you posters act as if you know what happened personally between the actors of this saga. A we know is Jizz and Epstein were for for sure lovers. Andrew is involved but her childhood and her father's activities are a conjecture.

A lot of it sounds like Davida's usual storytelling and making it sound like she's knowledgable and privy.

Some think that Robert Maxwell faked his own death.

R182 Biden's brother bought an island near Epstein's.

R186 Back in the 80s, Jizz was an "it girl" in London and a well-known figure in the party scene there, so it would not surprise me if she fucked Prince Andrew since he fucked a lot of London party girls. That's how he met Fergie.

Actually, he knew Fergie since they were kids, they got involved when they hooked up on the party circuit.

I don't think anyone has any idea just how complex and HUGE the exploitation and trafficking thing is throughout the world. Through every level of government and of course the entertainment industry.

The level of evil and depravity out there is astounding.

And you can tell already that none of it will be revealed.

For a woman to do this to other women is particularly vile.

Someone above said that they thought this bitch was hot and that "hoped she'll be okay".

What the FUCK!??

^^ okay like hope she isn't murdered like Epstein, frau

R163- You described NH perfectly. (especially the area where this woman was staying, and then north. And Maine has 100 times that genteel and picturesque abandoned land you refer to...

Through work I learned about how many towns have 400, 700, 900, town populations-

A client of mine lived in central Maine and gave me a reality check about driving 1 hour to the the market, ect..

There are NO jobs or solid industries in either state other than tourism.

I have no idea how the 2 states don't reflect economically the economic disasters that I feel that they are.

And central NH north is no different than Arkansas. Just prettier in some ways.

The Fail report that the UK govt is now involved. The headline starts: "'Ghislaine Maxwell sobbed 'Why is this happening, how could this happen?' when she appeared in court' Ghislaine Maxwell sobbed 'Why is this happening, how could this happen?' when she appeared in court"

The article says, "Ministers are hoping Prince Andrew will speak to the FBI over his links to Maxwell and pedophile billionaire Jeffrey Epstein without them having to intervene. US prosecutors have lodged a formal request to interview Andrew, a friend of Epstein's, made through the filing of a Mutual Legal Assistance (MLA) to the Home Office, as reported by The Sunday Telegraph."

To be fair, it is a lot harder to imagine a woman raping another woman.

Ghislaine could be a monster and beautiful at the same time. Her beauty and charm were here greatest weapon. Epstein was a great manipulator because he had a genius IQ, but even he wasn't as good as she was.

R197 all other takes is a finger. Hell they were about to persecute Biden over a nose sniff.

R181 I find it rather interesting that Dershowitz claims to have been introduced to Epstein and Maxwell by Rothschild as well, on Martha's vineyard. It was Lynn who later personally requested Dershowitz to represent Epstein as well. Dershowitz has stated she posed the request as a personal favour to her.

Why isn’t anyone connecting the dots? Spelling it out?

Just come out with it already.

Lynn Forester de Rothschild

Who is this Lynn person and is she pronounced Layn or Lenn?

Is Epstein's brother connected in any way, aside from being the executor? I wonder if Jizz has succeeded in getting him/the estate to cover her legal fees. R184, I love 60 Minutes Australia, far superior that the US version.

R201 I believe many of us are reticent to connect dots, or make conclusions due to the criticism of many posters here who defend their associates as innocent bystanders caught up in the mix. Or they believe we're conspiracy theorists, and this is all too far fetched.

There have been several posts where people still deny things reported in newspapers. (such as Jizzy's appearance in Paris, and the South of France)

Others are cautious, and rightfully so, to avoid any slander, where real tangible evidence may be lacking. I find a string of unlucky and uncanny connections between some very rich and powerful people and these unsavoury characters to be more than a mere coincidence. They're not all naïve and innocent. They can't be, as people aren't so stupid really. This is especially true of "society" types, as they very well understand they're judged by the company they keep. Many are involved in the same sort of smarmy behaviour to be sure. It would stand to reason, there certainly are a lot of "favours", done and requested by these players. I don't believe all the favours are simply other rich powerful people being nice and gracious to one another; the favours are not all freely granted IMHO.

It's almost as if "Eyes Wide Shut" was a documentary...

Lynn Forester de Rothschild is a crazy bitch....and a cunt.....nobody likes her. She and Sir Evelyn live at River House Co-op in Manhattan. She is exceptionally intelligent up to the point where one should know how to treat people, there she is not intelligent.

She was the first PUMA after Hillary lost the nomination to Obama in 2008 and immediately hosted a fundraiser dinner for John McCain. She's a total witch to work for. She is a screamer and a phony. I wonder how she's caught up in all of this Epstein story? I imagine greed ensnared her.

Eveyone just connect the dots on here according to your lights and rely on the First Amendment (otherwise what's the point?) I'll start: I think Egg and Jizz entrapped and blackmailed a large number of VIPs for money and influence and that their operation was eventually sponsored (if not initiated) by Mossad. I do not see how Barr/Berman/Strauss fit in. The number of Jews involved overall is remarkable.

R207 The only conduit I'm aware of is that Evelyn de Rothschild has connections to Ronald Lauder through WJC, as well as a few Art Museum boards. Naturally, Rothschild has family connections to Prince Andrew as well.

Lauder has been alleged to have close connections to both Wexner, and Eggstein.

Lady de R is not Jewish as far as I know.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

"Naturally, Rothschild has family connections to Prince Andrew as well."

What family connections R209?

I want to see Jizzy’s mug shot.

[quote]It's almost as if "Eyes Wide Shut" was a documentary...

Thoughts exactly.

This is crazy

It was revealed that her boyfriend Scott (I don’t know if they are still together) had a hand in buying the New Hampshire property

R212 some nutters believe the Royals are crypto-Jews.

R207 I hope so. I hated her so much for that. I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016, and people talk about the damage of Stein, Sanders, etc. they forget about the PUMAs. I know more than one Obama supporter still pissed off about PUMAs even know.

[quote] Wonder why Epstein never married her?

Probably because he knew she was a dyke.

R206 Nicole Kidman said that Stanley Kubrick told her that "pedophiles are running the world."

What’s with the awful bitch hairstyle? Is she a dyke?

R216 where is bf Scott? He was hott!

R212 The Rothschild family are very much a part of the aristocracy in Britain. The Royal family often entertain or receive them. Do you not know of their lineage in Britain?

It's also a known fact, at least to us Brits, that Sir Evelyn is still a personal financial advisor to HM. You ought to do some research really. The family is married into numerous other aristocratic ties to the Royals. I'm not a nutter, nor do I believe the rubbish about the family being crypto-Jews either.R

Reading the thoughts and speculation about these messy richy-rich people reminded me of this:

“The illusion of freedom will continue as long as it’s profitable to continue the illusion. At the point where the illusion becomes too expensive to maintain, they will just take down the scenery, they will pull back the curtains, they will move the tables and chairs out of the way and you will see the brick wall at the back of the theater.” –Frank Zappa

R223 Entertaining/ receiving doesn't make them family. Anyway, let's give you a chance, we're only fair on DL: name some Jews who are related to Andrew, preferably Rothschilds if you can manage it.

It's become very common for people to think that there are geo-political happenings that are tied to organized Pedophile rings among well-connected people. This goes back to the 80s in the U.S., and I have a vague memory there was a scandal in the U.K. in the 80s as well.

It's now morphed into Q-Anon and Pizzagate among rightwingers with refernce to the Clintons, Trump, Prince Andrew, and various public figures and famous CEOs.

The Pizzagate e-mails are real e-mails, which were part of the Wikileaks cache of DNC e-mails. They're obviously written in some kind of code, but I've always thought they were much more likely to refer to weed than trafficked children.

Henceforth I shall refer to her as Jizzlane.

R225 I feel I must clarify I wasn't suggesting a connection via any imaginary bloodline... They're related socially is all, other than any capacity Sir Evelyn can still serve in his role as personal financial advisor to HM in his advanced age.

He was also very close to several other members of the family. I only have the pleasure of reading your remarks @ R112 due to R117 's post, as I've blocked you long ago. I'm not continuing any more dialogue with you, as you're quite trollish, and an idiot. Now where did I leave my troll-be-gone spray?

^ meant R217's post.

Fergie and Andrew when they were children.

Alls well. Most of us understood your well-written posts.

Yes R229 most of understood what you meant.

r230, and La Reine Elizabeth, Queen Elizabeth II or as we say in Quebec call her La Grande Number 2.

For the sake of clarity, are there other American posters on this thread who understand the phrase "family connections" to imply genetic relations? Brits often use this term to strictly imply or state a close social relationship, which often yields one special privileges.

Cheers R231

Interesting, r234. And interesting that Brits wouldn't use "social connections" for ease of clarification in lieu of "family" connotation.

R234 "Family connections" in the U.S. implies being related through marriage to someone, we'd say "social ties" for what you meant with the Rothschilds. It made sense in context, though. Some people are just dicks.

(((( JizzLaine !))))

"Brits often use this term to strictly imply or state a close social relationship"

No they don't R234.

R231 was trolling you R229.

This is tiresome, however for additional clarification to the daft here, who continue to attempt to put words in my mouth... family connections, are not RELATIONS. The term implies the families are linked through several members of each family, often going back generations. A mere social connection in my mind, could be a a vague or a more personal connection shared between two individuals.

Rather, a family connection implies much more than one relationship of two people: several individuals of the two families.

This is tiresome, however for additional clarification to the daft here, who continue to attempt to put words in my mouth... family connections, are not RELATIONS. The term implies the families are linked through several members of each family, often going back generations. A mere social connection in my mind, could be a a vague or a more personal connection shared between two individuals.

Rather, a family connection implies much more than one relationship of two people: several individuals of the two families.

Dead yet?

Oh dear R240 had to repeat R241. Do you think they're related?

^^^^ No, just socially connected.

The Rothschilds have been around for quite a while. When it comes to aristocratic power, I would place them below the Saxe-Cobourg bunch. Remember that the Rothchilds have very Jewish roots. Trumpsters might jump on this but it's more likely American Rothchilds are so isolated from even the wealthy masses in their own neighborhoods that they deny any Jewish roots.

My intention is not to degrade the Jewish community. I should explain that I am part of that community through my mother who was Jewish. Yes I am aware that Judaism is matrilineal. We were never very observant but it felt liberating when my mom would explain the Jewish side to every news issue.

I just love her anyway and I miss her since she has died.

"My wife and I were introduced to Ghislaine Maxwell by Sir Evelyn and Lady Lynne de Rothschild"

Nice post, r245.

God bless our dearly departed R245.

"Sir Evelyn and Lady Lynne de Rothschild"

No Douchewits, it's "Sir Evelyn and Lady de Rothschild". She is nevah Lady Lynne de Rothschild. It's a simple item of etiquette that even allegedly brilliant legal minds can encompass.

Marie-Helene de Rothschild, the greatest of them all.

[quote]My wife and I were introduced to Ghislaine Maxwell by Sir Evelyn and Lady Lynne de Rothschild, and we subsequently met her on several occasions...

His own words, R249. Take it up with Douchewitz or the Spectator.

My comments were directed at the allegedly learned author.

Though I do not wish to recommend Jason Goodman as a worthwhile creator on YouTube, this is a clip where he explains the favour asked of him.. Roughly at, or around 23.00 mark...

He's said as much, if not a bit more on how he became acquainted with them in a CBS interview a few years back, during Eggstein's defence... Sadly I cannot recall the interviewer, or presenter, and was unable to find that.

If one has the patience to endure the interview in its entirety, there is some juicy Clinton details preceding the Rothschilds bit.

"HOLED UP Prince Andrew cancels annual golfing holiday to Spain as he’s ‘nervous’ to go abroad during Epstein investigation"

Andrew is not such a fool that he would risk foreign travel (and I don't mean the Rona). Let him go golfing on a Trump estate in the UK, safer that way; on second thoughts, perhaps not safer that way.

R251 It's only trolls who are going to nitpick on the proper address of Sir Evelyn and Lynne de Rothschild. Many simply address him as "Lord Rothschild", and there are some who claim that to be not entirely correct either. That nonsense really isn't important here. Put that tosser on the troll list, and be done with the pest.

Sir Evelyn and Lord Rothschild are two entirely different people, even if that doesn't matter to R256.

This scandal really is DL catnip, it's brought out the royal terms of address trolls.

NY1’s Kristen Shaugnessy pronounced it “Jee-LAY” today. Yesterday it was “Jee-LEE”.

And JeeLEE’s boobs are very low-slung.

Jizz with celebrities.

Jizz with celebrities.

[quote] the royal terms of address trolls

Despite their pretensions, the Rothschilds are not royalty anywhere, R258.

In all fairness, being photographed with someone at a benefit or event is NOT evidence of friendship. At all.

But Bill Clinton was a visitor to Pedo Island. The caretaker dude said he didn’t see him with any girls and it was a brief visit, but.

What is the general consensus (after all the dust settled) regarding Epstein's death? Plain ol suicide or likely someone got to him? Sorry I'm too lazy to go back to the Epstein threads....

R264, consensus seems to be he was murdered.

Not Mick!

R263 The mere fact that Epstein was part of the group to create The Clinton Global Initiative (per Dershowitz's letter from his firm, featured in the Goodman interview) as well as that juicy bit where Eggstein rang Caroline Kennedy's home on the Vineyard to speak with Clinton (who was there having dinner with Dersh) says a lot though, doesn't it?

I do agree with the poster from the first thread who said Clinton was the big fish that got away....He was deeply involved with Eggstein and Jizzy, but don't believe underage girls were what he fancied. I believe they were indeed friends, regardless of some of the denial here.

There have been multiple pics of Trump and Melania with Jizzy-Lane which have surfaced recently. Many fashion shows, some even sans Melania, just Trump seated with Jizzy. I find it very interesting how these two were fixtures at Mar-a Lago, though neither were paying members.

Egg was murdered.

[quote]You can access this text without a hotlink and without registering at Daily Mail by Googling the headline and reading the GOOGLE CACHE VERSION instead

R49 Thanks for the tip.

R266 Does this woman wear sleeves? Does she sweat like a horny hog? I'm getting a headache from all of the constant photos of her in ugly, ugly shell blouses.

Jizz is like Forrest Gump, turning up in places you wouldn't expect.

Such a lot of Jizz.

[quote]I'm not continuing any more dialogue with you, as you're quite trollish, and an idiot. Now where did I leave my troll-be-gone spray?

For Christ's sake, you pompous ass. Do you write with a feather? If you don't want to read the poster, block and shut the fuck up about it like a grown up who isn't suffering the delusions his pronouncements on an anonymous board are going to crush someone else's feeling.

Though in your case, I bet I've given it a good go.

Mossad is the most intriguing part of this to me. Epp and G.Max as assets to recruit the horny, rich and powerful into compromising positions. It's genius.

[quote] Do you write with a feather?

R228 writes with a feather up his ass.

Ghislaine supposedly has the 'rona. How conveeeeeeeeenient!

In her case it the Barrona R276

[quote] I think we can predict Maxwell will either end up dead, "suicide" or she will suddenly develop COVID-19.

She has been diagnosed with COVID

Piers Morgan. Heh heh

[quote] “Her symptoms seem advanced at this point and ultimately she will probably end up requiring a ventilator, more likely sooner than later.”

Horrifying. Another US citizen being put to death in Federal custody before trial. It is an affront to the right to life; it is an affront to her alleged victims.

New Hampshire currently has 832 cases of Covid 19 in the entire state. She's in self isolation for months and now has a "bad" case?

Horsefeathers!

Suicided her by “ Coronavirus “ you can’t make this up.

O. M. G

They’re going to kill her, too. We’re a 3rd world banana republic.

She had the goods on our current prez.

There's no way they didn't already have this plan hatched and ready BEFORE they picked her up last Thursday.

R278 link is not true

Just found out the link is a satire website

Sorry

Phew, that's a relief R285.

Prosecutors seek Friday court appearance...

[quote]In a letter to a judge Sunday, prosecutors said they have communicated with Maxwell’s defense lawyer, Christian Everdell, who would like a Friday bail hearing after written arguments are submitted by both sides Thursday and Friday. She will also be arraigned at the hearing.

She'll never get bail. Even if she's not a flight risk she's at risk of being abducted by a Mossad submarine or attacked by vigilantes.

Jizz hands

[quote] “Her symptoms seem advanced at this point and ultimately she will probably end up requiring a ventilator, more likely sooner than later.”

Figures it was satire. Requiring a ventilator is "probably" a death sentence.

In case there was any doubt, debunked by Snopes...

R46 Her upbringing was Protestant, but you just don't want to accept that fact. Check Wikipedia. Having a Jewish father does not make a person half-Jewish, especially if that person was raised as a Christian. The fact that you can't simply hate this woman because she's a despicable pedophile but must constantly remind us about her Jewish father reveals that you are anti-semitic. What about her Protestant mother? Why act like she never existed? There are many despicable people in the world who are Christian (like Trump, for instance) and yet their religion is somehow never an issue. Funny double standard that is.

Highlights: "There’s usually an element of witch burning whenever a woman is involved, and, with Epstein dead (found hanged in his cell last August), this looks set to be true for Maxwell."

"She was generally awestruck by powerful men, not least Prince Andrew and her father, the late Daily Mirror proprietor/disgraced embezzler, Robert Maxwell. For someone born into wealth and influence, it’s weird how she grovelled around like a groupie."

"There probably isn’t a tape measure short enough to measure her genuine self-esteem, but her craving for status can be glimpsed in that newly unearthed photo of her posing upon Buckingham Palace thrones with the actor Kevin Spacey (accused elsewhere of sexual impropriety). Maxwell looks exultant, but really it’s a pitiful visual representation of the theme of her life: not even the centre of attention, just a very determined plus-one."

[quote]I voted for Hillary Clinton in 2016, and people talk about the damage of Stein, Sanders, etc. they forget about the PUMAs. I know more than one Obama supporter still pissed off about PUMAs even know.

PUMAs were a short-lived phenomenon, mostly upper-class white women. The PUMA movement was hijacked by trolls but stats show that almost all the women who said they wouldn't vote for Obama during the spring of 2008 actually DID vote for him in November.

Remember that stat that BernieBros were tossing around about how 28% of HRC voters went McCain? That's a lie -- that's a stat from MARCH 2008. (Gallup "If McCain vs. Obama, 28% of Clinton Backers Go for McCain" March 26, 2008)

In actuality, only 10% of Democrats voted McCain (see stats on Wikipedia) and that's the normal number of crossover votes.

The reason I mention this is because de Rothschild doesn't seem to have been a PUMA in the strict sense of the word. McCain was already under fire for accepting sketchy donations from her in March, 2008, in an event that had to have been organized before PUMAs were really a thing. They showed up in March but weren't a real force until June of that year.

I suspect she's one of those rich people who butter both sides of their bread, to have some influence no matter who wins.

She should be forced to undergo psychiatric treatment.

The fat speak to the fat: fat talk.

Ghislaine Maxwell is going down the "I was a victim, too" route! Well, according to her friend, Laura Goldman, who was on Good Morning Britain and claims that Ghislaine was a very broken and unconfident person who was also a victim of Epstein's and could not get away from him. When asked why Maxwell did not contact the FBI when Epstein "committed suicide" but instead went into hiding Chapman responded that Maxwell's lawyers advised her not to. Sure, Jan.

This so-called friend was also caught out when asked why she herself did not contact the FBI because she knew where Ghislaine was, she tried to lie and say she did but they did not respond to her call. I call BS.

Sorry, I know it's Piers interviewing but I will attach a link.

R297 worse than Stalin.

So was this why Stephen Bing killed himself?

Jizz is in Brooklyn. Any connection to Barr replacing the Brooklyn judge?

R264, I half believe he escaped and is in hiding somewhere, never to be seen or heard from again. Though more likely he really was murdered. I don't believe suicide. It's all too convenient.

[quote] Any connection to Barr replacing the Brooklyn judge?

Explain please. The case is in Manhattan federal court even if she is detained in Brooklyn.

R302 Most prisoners held at MDC Brooklyn have pending cases in the United States District Court for the Eastern District of New York.

U.S. Attorney Richard Donoghue announced he would leave the Eastern District to serve as the Justice Department's principal associate deputy attorney general. His predecessor in the Washington-based role, Seth DuCharme, is a favorite to replace him in New York. DuCharme, before assuming the deputy position last year, had served as a counselor to Barr on criminal and national security measures, although he also spent years as a prosecutor in the Brooklyn U.S. Attorney's office.

She’s in a facility that falls under a Barr lackey’s jurisdiction now.

“A FEDERAL JAIL in Brooklyn, New York, that houses roughly 1,700 people is destroying medical records as part of a deliberate effort to obscure the number of incarcerated people infected with the coronavirus and to avoid providing them adequate care, alleges the report of a medical expert who toured the facility April 23.”

This is all a setup for Jizz to die from COVID.

[quote] This is all a setup for Jizz to die from COVID.

What is Audrey Strauss doing about it?

[quote]Maxwell looks exultant, but really it’s a pitiful visual representation of the theme of her life: not even the centre of attention, just a very determined plus-one.

This. At that private visit to Buckingham Palace for Clinton arranged by Andrew she was in the company of a former President, a double Oscar winner, and The Queen's second son. Maxwell was the daughter of a disgraced criminal tycoon. Quite the disjunct. Groupie at The Palace.

The photo (with all its connotations) is really quite extraordinary - in its way the equal of the other most famous photo with Maxwell beaming in the background. All the people in the paragraph above are of course linked to varying degrees with sexual scandal.

The reaction of The Queen to the photo published on Saturday can only be imagined. But whoever let 'The Telegraph' have the picture was hardly acting in favour of Andrew.

Were Egg and Jizz procuring for Spacey?

Why doesn't the Press go after her mugshots and court appearance tape? Lazy mofos.

"actress Rose McGowan is calling for Prince Andrew and Bill Clinton to be arrested next for their alleged ties to the late Epstein."

Guilt by association is the mob justice.

Stupid bitch, what about the trumptard??

R306, that’s a good question. Personally, I don’t think Epstein did any messing with boys, and if he did, wouldn’t at least one come out like the women did?

And Spacey seems to like the thrill of the chase and non-consent.

R307 The press may not be overly interested in this case being too well-known.

Who wants to bet me that a couple of days ago Hillary said to Bill: You're sure there's nothing you want to tell me?

And a day later: You're really sure?

And a day later, on the phone, Chelsea says: Are you OK? You seem kind of distracted?

Jizz is not listed in the Federal Bureau of Prisons yet.

R313 She's been disappeared.

Re. R312... which is not to say he said anything she didn't want to hear, more after all these years, she's trying to decide at what point she can actually believe the old dawg.

R313 Thanks for that link. I found Epstein's record...

Wonder why Jizz isn't in there, yet? She was arrested on Thursday, July 2nd.

R297 I don't think anyone will buy it. She wasn't some poor naïve girl distracted by Epstein's money and influence. She had money and ties to powerful people before she ever met him.

Epstein's little black book undredacted in searchable pdf:

Pierre de Boisguilbert?

R306/R310, Remember that Spacey was on the plane with Bill and comedian Chris Tucker going to some conference in Africa. Also, there were rumors that Spacey was dis-invited from Pedo Island for being too brutal with the boys.

And, that means there were boys. Which we know because George Nader was sentenced last week (week before?) I think Epstein/Maxwell mostly trafficked in girls, but used any and every trick to trap whomever they set their sights on.

My speculation is that the G-Max arrest was planned and enough--though not all--details managed to make it look bad for the enemies of the administration. Namely Bill. It's absolutely no accident that all of the media is following Dersh in mentioning Bill and Hillary in the first sentence every time Epstein's name comes up but then not getting around to Trump until 17 paragraphs later.

But, it is also odd to see that Throne Room picture of her with Spacey for the first time after all of these years. My thought is that they are going to try to squeeze Andrew, who is going to throw Spacey under the bus and he will then squeal like a rat Beyond The Sea, and say whatever he has to say to save his ass.

The wildcards are what happens with the Hollywood crowd, namely, do more names and reputations get exposed and, also, what happens with the Q-Anon psychos who are gunning for vengeance?

I wonder if they want Andrew as a witness for the prosecution, not as a subject in the investigation.

R318 Sorry to disappoint you but it is redacted.

Extremely shallow and pointless observation: how does she go from the hair in r176, to the straw like butch crew cut she sports now.

Either way, she’s disgusting and I hope she dies in jail.

R323 I hope she dies in jail.

Unfortunately, your wish may come true too soon.

What the fuck does her religion have to do with this? Who cares?

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[bold]The ex friend said: 'Not only did Epstein like to capture himself with underage girls – he wanted to make sure he had something to hold over the rich and powerful men who took advantage of his sick largesse' They added: 'Ghislaine has always been as cunning as they come. She wasn't going to be with Epstein all those years and not have some insurance' 'She has copies of everything Epstein had. They could implicate movers and shakers. If she goes down, she's going to take the whole lot of them with her'[/bold]

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R323 No, we don't hope she dies in jail, even though she's an unrepentant scumbag. Jails aren't supposed to be morgues. They're supposed to be secure places to detain flight risks like JizzMax so they can face their accusers in court. The victims deserve justice.

She’s still at the Merrimack County (NH) lockup.

They have to kill her; there's really no other way to protect the guilty. So the DOJ will look bad, so what? Jeffrey Epstein didn't commit suicide, they killed him; the whole world knows it. And look what happened. Nothing.

What did they say - the guards were asleep and the cameras failed?

At this point, the smartest thing she could’ve done would be an interview and reveal everything she has, but she was still latched to the elites and wanted their approval.

The photo at r328 is what one might find prominently displayed in a Roman vomitorium.

naomi campbell is everywhere. her vag must be loose and wide like the grand canyon from all the thousands of men she must have fucked.

[quote]Also, there were rumors that Spacey was dis-invited from Pedo Island for being too brutal with the boys.

That's from CDAN, and we know how reliable they are. Not.

R326 & R327 - I will believe that when I see it. The Daily Mail is NOT trustworthy either. Plenty comes out of their asses onto their website simply for clicks.

maybe andrew will make a deal and turn prosecutor's witness against maxwell.

Did you all see her "friend" on British Breakfast TV (this morning) yet?

QUITE interesting >

R330 No, she's been moved to a federal; detention facility in Brooklyn, New York. See link at R302.

By hope she dies in jail I meant hope she rots in prison.

Fuck the pedantry on this site is painful sometimes.

"maybe andrew will make a deal and turn prosecutor's witness against maxwell."

If he does it'll be via Zoom. There's no way he is quitting his Pizza Expresd routine at this time, not even to go golfing in Spain let alone attending an 'appointment' at Audrey Strauss' office (she makes it all sound so innocuous).

Tick tock, Puke of York.

[QUOTE]But, it is also odd to see that Throne Room picture of her with Spacey for the first time after all of these years. My thought is that they are going to try to squeeze Andrew, who is going to throw Spacey under the bus and he will then squeal like a rat Beyond The Sea, and say whatever he has to say to save his ass.

Crazy thought but could Andrew be in danger from other Eggstein "guests"? That is if he is possibly being set up to squeal?

[quote][R330] No, she's been moved to a federal; detention facility in Brooklyn, New York. See link at [R302].

There’s is no link at R302

The interview with the "friend" Laura Goldman was rather bizarre. The part at the end where she gets all dodgy about whether or not she contacted the FBI makes her come off like a liar and a kook. At first I thought her spate of interviews were part of an orchestrated attempt at some kind of spin control, now I'm not so sure. Maybe she just wants to cash in.

Possible, R343.

Here's an article about all of the people listed in the Black Book. I don't know many of the British names.

But Rupert Murdoch did jump out at me. Wikipedia reminded me of just how much of a monopoly they have on the world news. Obviously, Fox is massive in this context, but also the NYPost and Wall St. Journal as well as The Sun & The Times, among others, in Britain. This empire alone can expose a fuk ton of people (to varying degrees of subtlety...or not).

R344 Sorry, R303.

Jizz has been sent to worse shit-hole than the one Eggdick died in.

Maybe she was writing a book?

I think we should start calling her Eggatha.

I prefer Jizzstain

My comment @R346 should read "some of the people" and not "all".

But here's another thought: Wouldn't people as dangerous to the elite class as G-Max and Epstein have kill switches built in? I can't imagine someone with an ego like Epstein killing himself in the first place, but certainly not without tripping the mechanism that data dumps and exposes everyone else involved, purely for shits-n-giggles. Why wouldn't he? And anyone who knows him would know that and NOT kill him. That's his insurance policy.

Same with her. I believe they arranged to have her arrested to give people something to fixate on other than death and incompetence, and they can also use it to bring down a couple of rivals. Once that mission is accomplished, she either "dies" from Coronavirus, or she's "murdered" in this notoriously brutal prison, or she magically "escapes" while being extradited for (yet unannounced) crimes in GB or the EU.

I haven't read all the comments, at the risk of being redundant, I don't think she will talk about Bill. It seems they had a genuine friendship as she was at Chelsea's wedding. I don't get the sense she was truly friends with Trump, so I'd say she's more likely to talk about him.

This tie is certainly interesting... apologies if there has been something previously posted...There is also talk in Israel that Jizz may be "Military Intelligence" rather than MOSSAD. Splitting hairs really to my mind.

Semantics aside, it may well explain allegations of the Maxwell sisters' military surveillance software (PROMIS) being utilised by Israeli military.

R169, YES. There is something so much more complex at play here. We plebes can't begin to fathom what's really happening, I fear.

R303 gives reason to worry

She’ll be housed in Brooklyn (EDNY) under the supervision of a Special Friend of Barr’s in a new opening that resulted from the same kind of “promotion” to Main Justice of the existing USAtty that Barr attempted to pull off to get Berman to leave the SDNY to be replaced with the criminally inexperienced Securities Lawyer.

What a coinkydink

[quote]My thought is that they are going to try to squeeze Andrew, who is going to throw Spacey under the bus and he will then squeal like a rat Beyond The Sea, and say whatever he has to say to save his ass.

You are spending way too much time on social media.

R342 - Again, these threats for Prince Andrew to speak are all bark and no bite. If the Feds really had something on Andrew, they wouldn't need to shame him into voluntarily interviewing. They'd already have the evidence. Also, the Feds are leveling serious charges at Maxwell but its for only three girls, not the entire sex ring. If that's the case, she may not talk at all. This twitter post is worth the read:

Who are her defense attorneys? They should be releasing statements daily. Bitching about her treatment, etc, per usual. Why is there none of this?

Why isn't there a mugshot of her? Or photos of her in cuffs being led out of her house? Or photos of her in prison garb? Or photos of her perp walk? Or anything at all? I don't even know if I believe she's in custody.

R359 - The Feds in NYC are different. We may see a mugshot after the arraignment but probably not a perp walk. Due to tight security around the Federal courts in Lower Manhattan & Brooklyn, we don't see the defendants being transported.

The tape of feds smashing thru her door and taking her into custody will surface over time.

[quote]I don't get the sense she was truly friends with Trump, so I'd say she's more likely to talk about him.

The second she talks about Trump, Trump will talk about Bill. As mentioned above, Dershowitz has already prepared that ground.

[quote]Again, these threats for Prince Andrew to speak are all bark and no bite.

Nonetheless it's a strategy to keep his name prominent while the story deepens more seriously. Everyone knows he's likely to live out his life in Royal luxury, while G-Max will be lucky too see out the year. His punishment is and will be guilt by association at the very least, and the prosecutors will keep that simmering all the time they can.

Well, that's all fine and good. I don't care about Andrew. So what if he liked young poontang. He's fine, that still qualifies him as a straight male. But what I am interested in the connection with Papa Don, Bill Barr and Epstein - and how it relates to Dump raping. 13-year old.

Roberts was 17 when Andrew had sex with her at Ghislaine's home. Nothing illegal about that. He'd be a fool to submit to questioning by USA Feds as he's a moron and he would probably implicate himself in more serious allegations

The whole thing with Andrew was stupid and fucked up. All he had to do is announce he cooperates with the investigation. Let the press take pictures of him showing up at the interviews with his lawyers and let the lawyers do most of the talking to keep their client out of legal troubles with "I do not recall ..." statements. He would've done the least he could do and still got the press that he cooperated. Even with pictures showing up he could've used the "gosh, totally forgot about that!" and maybe even come up with some sob story about alcohol or drug addiction and do the well established PR rehab stint. But of course, ego got in the way of things. Prince Andrew is to blame for where he is right now.

If the worst came to the worst, Andrew could have admitted he had met Virginia Giuffre and even, if pushed, that he had had sex with her but that it was consensual - and used the photo of her smiling next to him as evidence that she liked him. She was not underage.

Yes, she was entrapped in a situation by Epstein and Maxwell, but Andrew probably had no clue about that. All he would have seen was yet another young woman who was interested in him, and no doubt he has met plenty like that.

It's insurmountably difficult for young girls to have Justice in any real way. My only suggestion would be to lift all limitations statutes so that rape/sexual misconduct to remain open cases for infinity - much like murder/missing persons. I hope Biden can get this much passed as the law of the land.

I think Jizzelle is a lovely name for her.

One of the girls said that Jizz raped her 30 times with her fingers, in order to prepare the girl for Epstein's egg dick. Can you imagine getting fingered 30 times by this butch bitch?

I can only guess he didn't want a bloody mess.. I believe rape/sexual assault should be open until solved!

[quote] My only suggestion would be to lift all limitations statutes so that rape/sexual misconduct to remain open cases for infinity - much like murder/missing persons.

How does that help with the shrieking critics who insist that victims should go to the police right after the rape and not wait until it's convenient for them?

What would really help is to criminalize others bullying victims into silence trying to get the rapists off the hook.

Society and the criminal justice system need a serious overhaul.

I see Barr giving her a deal after she gives up/makes up stories about Clinton, Biden and any Democrat or enemy of Trump. And then, Trump will pardon her along with 100 others on his way out the door. Also, the cop cellmate who attacked him in order to give a cover story to the suicide, a few days later. He hasn't gone to trial, but he'll be found not guilty and end up working for Trump. BTW WHET to Keith Schiller? The bodyguard who knew everything.

Can someone set-up a death pool between Maxwell and Aaron Carter?

366--what makes you say Prince SweatRape "probably didn't know" the girls were underage and trafficked? It doesn't let him off the hook if he assumed or did not consider their status.

R366 ^^^^^^^^^^^^

[quote]My only suggestion would be to lift all limitations statutes so that rape/sexual misconduct to remain open cases for infinity - much like murder/missing persons.

The Federal government & most states now have no statute of limitations for rape & child molestation. There will still be statutes of limitation for lower sex crimes just because they're hard to prove after a certain time period. However, many states are now extending those statutes.

[quote]The whole thing with Andrew was stupid and fucked up. All he had to do is announce he cooperates with the investigation. Let the press take pictures of him showing up at the interviews with his lawyers and let the lawyers do most of the talking to keep their client out of legal troubles with "I do not recall ..." statements.

I want everyone to understand something. Any lawyer with half a brain will tell their client that you NEVER, EVER speak to the FBI or DOJ voluntarily unless you get subpoenaed or arrested. PERIOD. And it doesn't matter if you're guilty as sin or innocent as snow. You keep them far away as humanly possible.

Now, there's this back and forth between the DOJ prosecutors in this case & Andrew's legal team. If you read the papers carefully, Andrew's lawyers are saying that they reached out to the prosecutors and they heard nothing back. What I find interesting is that the DOJ has not refuted or pushed back on this. They just keep saying that they want Andrew to talk to them. Why doesn't the DOJ given a formal request to the UK government, the Queen or even the Prince of Wales to speak to Andrew? Something doesn't make sense here.

Surprising no one.

Jizz & Jeff have modern-day Julius and Ethel Rosenberg vibes.

Was talking about this last night and the consensus was Prince Andrew probably isn't going to jail for anything but he's definitely, when it's over, going to exile. Will keep his title and all that but he's going to get the Duke of Windsor treatment, probably marry Fergie and take her with him (like a good, impecunious, brainless lap dog she'll probably follow in any event.) It is very hard to sustain his presence in the country after all this, even just adjacent to the RF, but living at Royal Lodge, etc... it just keeps the story and stain alive. Pay him off, move him out.

We thought France, some of us, but others thought some place where he could golf in privacy since that is pretty much all he has to do any more. Is golf big in France? There are probably better countries with more choice for disgraced golfers. But he's facing exile, allowed back probably for his mother's funeral, his father's funeral and his own. Other than that, the door closes firmly on the way out.

Maybe Australia, R380...?

Hahaha what do you guys call him “EGGstein?”

*why

R380 - Again, you guys spend way too much time on social media. Prince Andrew isn't going anywhere but England.

R382 Several of the girls he abused described his penis as "egg-shaped."

R378 - The Quds News Network? Really?

Deutschebank fined $150 million by NY regulators "a series of procedural failures and mistakes in its handling of the billionaire investor’s accounts.' (WaPo.)

Deutschebank is basically the Donald Trump of banks. Which, considering the moral and ethical character of the finance sector, takes some effort.

R385 Well, I regret asking....

Here's the article. Worth noting that the fine relates to the banking relationship that took place after August 2013. But what's interesting is that this investigation into Epstein's finances were part of a bigger investigation into money laundering that involved Russian oligarchs.

So is THIS why Berman was canned from the SDNY? Hmmmmmmm......

Well, R380, Technically, they still own a chalet in Switzerland (purchased in 2014)

Not anymore, r390. Queen paid Andy's debt to the Swiss owner a few weeks ago.

Hi R391, is there a link for that?

Googling just now shows that Her Majesty offered in late May but he declined in early June and listed it for sale in mid June (for the same as the purchase price from 2015) but it still has not sold.

This would be something to watch. If indeed the debt gets paid and/or house pulled off the market it might indicate they are headed to the alps where there is no extradition.

[quote]There are probably better countries with more choice for disgraced golfers.

Spain used to be the venue of choice for successful criminals, their corrupt police enablers, and third-tier showbiz people happy to play golf with all the above.

Andrew would have fitted right in. But I agree that full-on exile will look like too much of a mea culpa. He will indeed spend long long 'golfing holidays' somewhere abroad, but still retain some type of face-saving base in the UK. However, he'll be on all sorts of notice when his dear Mother most regrettably leaves us.

Maybe in the short term but once Charles and William are on the throne I'd be the farm he's getting a one way ticket somewhere, [italic]unless[/italic] somehow and against the odds it turns out his worst crime is just really-pathetic-I'm-as-dumb-as-my-ex-wife judgment.

The Coppers are puttin' the screws to this dsme.

The Australian Republican Movement would like nothing more than for a proposal to send that buffoon to into exile here, R381.

He will stay safely and low key in the UK. There are plenty of golf courses close to Woking Pizza Express.

He can't stay if things get worse. His presence is a constant contrast to what the Queen, Charles and William are trying to achieve. If things don't worsen and in due course this fades into history, he can stay, though not resume any role. If it gets worse at some point they will effectively exile him. It's the same principle as the Duke of Windsor: they didn't want an ex-king in the country distracting from the new, reigning king. In this instance they won't want pervy, disgraced York in the country perceived to be living a life of luxury, adjacent to the Crown, in contrast to the new king and his heir. Andrew and Fergie are probably going to pack at some point. There is nothing to redeem them. They are discredited, shamed, damaging fools.

[quote]If it gets worse at some point they will effectively exile him. It's the same principle as the Duke of Windsor: they didn't want an ex-king in the country distracting from the new, reigning king.

OMFG. To compare this to the Duke of Windsor situation is absolutely ridiculous. Andrew was never going to be King, didn't give up the crown to marry a divorced American, AND is not a Nazi sympathizer in a period of war with Germany.

You guys need to spend time away from the internet.

Have you read a British tabloid? So long as there is the appearance of that pig feeding off public funds, he's harmful. OMFG. #scrounger @MeghanMarkleFREAKBRIGADE tweeting etc. so forth. Welcome to 2020... the drum beat of an angry public has never been louder.

I think, r399, the fact that the queen’s favourite has been photographed and reported consorting with a proven pedophile and procurer of underage girls for rich and powerful men might be just enough to lead the queen, the heir to throne, and the heir to the heir to the throne, to conclude that Andie needs to be isolated and “neutralized,” ASAP. You can say whatever you want, but you cannot ignore The Firm’s instinctive and ruthless will to self-preservation. When it was deemed necessary, the queen even curtseyed before the dead Dianna. That is callous PR-ing right there.

Drama queens He's going to live quietly in the UK on his mother's large estates. He's fine. He sends his best.

He needs obscurity but I don't think he'll get that anywhere anymore.

They need to be seen to punish him. It's that simple.

Punished for what? So far there is no evidence he committed a crime. Sex with a 17 year old is not illegal.

If you really don't know the answer, R405, it's too complicated to be explained to someone like [italic]you.[/italic]

And........ Zzzzzap!

[quote]Ghislaine Maxwell should be kept on suicide watch at her federal lockup in Brooklyn because her case is too explosive to risk her killing herself behind bars, a former warden of the jail told The Post Tuesday.

First she was going to tell all. Now she's on suicide watch. This endless speculation just makes everyone look dumb.

The message at r408 could go either way. Anyone her know anything about the guy who said it?

The pic at R408 is from when she was hiding out as a Ralph Lauren Polo Factory Store worker.

That photo most recently at R378 creeps me the fuck out. I can’t stop looking at the girl with her eyes closed and head back and how she is being propped up by Eggy and Dump. Everyone is pushed really close together like they are helping support the weight of this girl who looks unconscious or, well...my first thought was that she’s dead. Like they were trying to move her to another room out of the sight of everyone.

Mary! me all you like, but something ain’t fittin’.

Jizzabella should have dumped every document, photo, video and flight manifest online, for all the world to view. Then paddled off in her submarine to parts unknown.

R412 Go get some air, dear. You don't recognize Melania, Vairst Leddy? She was probably procured for Dump. She's looking down her nose at you.

oh please, she's only saying she has every copy, fucking BS. She may have one or two things. Epstein might have told her a few things. I don't believe she has everything he had.

NYPost:

Accused Jeffrey Epstein accomplice Ghislaine Maxwell allegedly has secret video footage of Britain’s Prince Andrew — and she may be willing to share it with prosecutors, a distant relative of the prince claimed in an interview published Tuesday.

Secret video of Randy Andy doing what? Fucking a 17 year old? The age of consent is 16. If she didn't consent that's another matter: will said video show he refusing her consent?

The dead girl at r378 is Melania.

To be fair, she is undoubtedly dead inside.

R416 - I'll believe it when I see it. I love how all these ex-friends, distant cousins, former cab drivers, etc. all come out of the woodwork about what they supposedly know. Its all BS.

What is ridiculous is the amount of crap produced by the so-called 'royal correspondents'. "Archie is loving LA," being one example. Archewell doesn't know where he is, dumbass royal correspondent.

Where are all the Harkle haters these days desperately trying to deflect from the fact that their precious Royal Family’s chief pervert is about to be placed under house arrest?

Which way do you want it, R422? Because we can tell it like she is or we can ignore her, but I can pretty much promise we’re never gonna suck her ass like you do.

What I would like to know is who really was the boss? Who is the "head of the snake?

Some Claim Jizzy was the real mastermind, and Eggstein eas her handler, and protector. Others claim Wexner is the mastermind.

If Andrew really knows the nooks and crannies of Woking, perhaps he can pick up a few delivery shifts from Pizza Express when the purse strings are cut.

Uber-eats would never give Andrew a job, not with his reputation.

R169 & R355 Agreed. The following is from a source sympathetic to Syria, as well as Iran, but I do believe it summarises many things I have read over the past year or more. Some connections cannot be denied, though some may differ on the details, i.e. where or when they first met, how they were introduced, etc...

R358 Yes, and I for one would like to know what they're serving her to eat. Has she developed an appreciation for baloney sandwiches yet?

They can have food sent in, right? Any good restaurants around there?

Jailhouse footage leaked!

r416 "distant relative of the prince" = Camilla

The espionage component is the most interesting part. Unseemly sex amongst the powerful is the best leverage an organization has.

what is the age of consent on that fucking island?

Fire Island R433?

R434 If you can bite a pillow is the age of consent there.

Fact: Jizz orchestrated the hit on Barry and Honey Sherman, at the behest of the Bronfman sisters.

Andrew will not go and live in "exile".

There's a longish article on him and the Epstein affair in the Times today. These two paragraphs are basically what I think about the situation he's got himself into. If he'd just said right from the start "yes, I had sex with Virginia Roberts but I was not aware she was being coerced" yes he would have embarrassed himself but he would at least have cleared his name, so to speak.

[quote]In the course of writing this article, I spoke to several of his friends, male and female — some of 30 years’ standing and some with whom he has been intimate. All requested anonymity. Overall, two unanimous and firmly held opinions immediately emerged.

[quote]The first, that Andrew would have had no idea that the girls he met through Jeffrey Epstein were being trafficked and ordered to sleep with him; the second, that Andrew almost certainly did sleep with Virginia Roberts (an allegation he has strenuously denied). “Of course he did,” was everyone’s immediate answer. “He has always chased a shag,” said one, who should know, because she once shagged him herself.

She certainly has the “villainess” look nailed. Her name is villainessy, too.

Is ghislane wearing a wig in r438 ‘s pic?

R438 She needs that white/ black hair like Cruella De Ville or a stripe of white in her hair like Alexandra on Josie and the Pussycats or some would say Susan Sontag, though I love her and don’t find her a villain like many do. But a few weeks without access to her stylist and we might just see that emerge.

The Times article suggests he had sex with a trafficked seventeen year old, so whether she was of age of not the trafficking thing is... a little problematic.

Then he lied about it. And once you lie about one thing, for the rest of your days, people get to at least wonder what else you lied about before and what you're lying about now. He's totally disgraced. The institution of monarchy will not want stories about the disgraced duke living in Royal Lodge doing nothing and occasionally making a fool of himself, stirring the whole thing up again.

His fate may on his his mother's length of life... but if the stain is bad enough - and lets look at the facts:

his friends are sex traffickers

he had sex with one of the trafficked

then he lied about it on national television

and as a public figure he has virtually no residual good will ....

He's likely to be made to live somewhere else within no more than eighteen months of either the Maxwell business concluding unless his mother won't agree.

And she wasn't a Hallmark Channel movie about Harry and Meghan. And they didn't exactly lie about having sex with a trafficked seventeen year old.

To R437 Thank you for the stuff from the Times. The idea that he wouldn't have known what was going on w. Epstein (or at least had a damn good idea) is hard to take seriously.

Add another failing to his list: he still hung out with Epstein once he did know what that reptile was about.

I am still shocked by Andrew's television interview.

Stupid, Stupid man.

She has mean kesbian gym teacher face.

[Circa-1980s] Linda Dano IS Ghislaine Maxwell!

‘Prince Andrew’s sexual appetite was always his blind spot’

Even his friends concede that the Duke of York’s pursuit of sex was unrelenting. And after his divorce, his troubles really began, they tell Vassi Chamberlain

Vassi Chamberlain Wednesday July 08 2020, 12.01am BST, The Times

The morning after Prince Andrew’s disastrous BBC interview, he achieved the nearly impossible: steering the national conversation away from Brexit after three interminable years. But serious questions remained. Had the eighth in line to the throne just lied through his teeth, or was he guilty of spectacularly bad judgment?

I have met Andrew several times over the years, and his reputation as a blundering and arrogant buffoon is not without foundation. One of my friends described him as a man with “all the airs and graces of royalty, but none of their superiority — he lacks Eton charm’’. I witnessed this boorishness first-hand at a lunch I attended in his honour in the mid-2000s in Condé Nast UK’s Vogue House boardroom, hosted by the division’s then head, Nicholas Coleridge.

Andrew was awkward and uneasy in a group conversation, but that didn’t stop him from giving an unsolicited 30-minute monologue to the eight editors present on the difficulties of reversing a tanker into port. He was so clearly used to being heard that he never learnt to listen or to read the room.

But Andrew’s sexual appetite — or, more precisely, his desire to be wanted — was always his most troubling blind spot. It was on full display at a dinner party I attended alongside him in London in the late 1990s.

Our hosts were a British art dealer and his wife. Respecting protocol, my fellow guests and I bowed and curtsied to the duke when he arrived. But then something odd happened. Sexy young women, introduced to us as models, joined the crowd. Instead of formally greeting the prince, they flung their arms around him, crying: “Andy, darling!” They clearly knew him well. Like a pasha, he sat back and let them come to him. The rest of us, with our conservative airs and old-world propriety, felt foolish. But what I remember above all about this most unusual experience was the look on his face. It wasn’t that of a creepy, sex-obsessed man — he looked more like a dumbfounded adolescent.

In a way, Andrew is not dissimilar to many well-born British men. Shipped away to boarding schools at an early age, they are fenced off from their families and members of the opposite sex, which can impact their emotional development.

Andrew’s lifelong incarceration within the rigidly observed confines of the royal family, coupled with a lack of self-awareness, a constant entourage of fawning yes-men, not to mention a reduced position as second son, meant he was disadvantaged from the start. He is a man without a point, and I suspect no one feels that quite as keenly as he does.

In the course of writing this article, I spoke to several of his friends, male and female — some of 30 years’ standing and some with whom he has been intimate. All requested anonymity. Overall, two unanimous and firmly held opinions immediately emerged.

The first, that Andrew would have had no idea that the girls he met through Jeffrey Epstein were being trafficked and ordered to sleep with him; the second, that Andrew almost certainly did sleep with Virginia Roberts (an allegation he has strenuously denied). “Of course he did,” was everyone’s immediate answer. “He has always chased a shag,” said one, who should know, because she once shagged him herself.

In his twenties, Andrew spent 18 months dating the actress and photographer Koo Stark, but his 1986 marriage to Sarah Ferguson brought a brief period of stability and two adored daughters, Beatrice, 31, and Eugenie, 30, both popular members of the royal family. But when Ferguson embarked on an alleged affair and they eventually divorced, in 1996, Andrew was once again at sea, without a solid or consistent group of friends to steer him. He fell in with a fast, glamorous crowd, and that’s when the trouble started.

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“[Royals] actively seek out the rich,” said a member of his social circle at the time. “Every penny they spend has to be accounted for, so they can’t afford private planes or yachts, and that’s why you always see them on other people’s planes and yachts. They love free holidays. I’m not surprised Andrew was so easily seduced by Epstein, with his vast array of influential friends. The girls around [Andrew] were not the main point, but they were definitely his Achilles’ heel.”

A former stylist he dated — let’s call her “Lucy”— observed his attraction to women who were far outside his royal circle. He was once associated with a native Californian who worked as a lingerie model before transitioning into acting and producing. (She was named Maxim’s International Woman of the Year for three consecutive years, and she produced and starred in Debbie Does Dallas: The Musical.)

“Andrew was told, ‘You can’t hang out with people like her,’ and he replied, ‘Why not?’ He has a total lack of emotional intelligence,” said Lucy. She recalled with annoyance his tendency to introduce himself to her friends as “the Duke of York, even when we were dancing on tables at two in the morning at Momo [a popular Moroccan restaurant in London with a basement club]. It struck me how impressed he was with who he is, or how impressed he wanted others to be. Every joke always ended with ‘. . . because I’m the Duke of York!’ He tells the most pathetic jokes. He finds poo cushions funny.”

In terms of his behaviour as a boyfriend, Lucy says: “He was respectful. Sexually, a little keen, but perfectly straightforward. There was a bit of chasing around the sofa, but not in an aggressive way. I remember, one day, looking out of his Buckingham Palace bedroom window and thinking, ‘What a sad life.’ People were standing outside the gates 24/7.”

The highlights of their short-lived relationship were movie nights at home on her sofa. According to Lucy, Andrew would eat popcorn, although he did not consume alcohol or, curiously, garlic. (Fun fact: his e-mail address at the time was invisibleman@—.com.) One of the duke’s other favourite pastimes? Hitting the massage table. “[Andrew] said he was particularly fond of four-handed [massages], where two women work on you at the same time,” said Lucy. “When mention of a foot massage came up in the [BBC] interview, I immediately thought, ‘Yes, that’s him.’”

Despite all this, Lucy still describes him as “always gentlemanly” and that there was “nothing awful or sneaky about him”, except when it came to paying the bill, which he and his entourage conspicuously avoided. “I suggested one evening that we go to the cinema. He said, ‘Great, how many tickets have you bought?’ I was slightly taken aback, so I said I would buy two, but he said we would need seven in total to include his security.”

When Lucy eventually ended the relationship, she says, the duke was exceptionally gracious about the whole thing — “to the point where I wondered what else was going on,” said Lucy. “I think he’s still a little in love with Fergie. She has some kind of hold over him. He always told me he would never get married again. He’s basically a loner, with no real friends, and it was obvious that he’s not close to his siblings.” Revealingly, Lucy says: “He once told me, ‘I just got off the phone with the future King of England.’ He was talking about William. It was almost like he was impressed.”

But then again, it didn’t take much to dazzle the Duke of York. This article first appeared in Airmail

Why is R378 posting a Hamas extremist news site that's been suspended by Twitter? Are you Russian R378?

The whole Jewish conspiracy theory thing makes me extremely uncomfortable. I'd rather see it tackled by the NYT or the Washington Post or The Times or some entity you can trust. Not Datalounge. Every post I see about it make me think it's just a portal for anti-semitism.

"Prince Andrew reportedly debating whether to denounce Ghislaine Maxwell"

Jizzy looks just like CNN's Christiane Amanpour to me...

“lucy “ mentioned in the article posted by r448 is caprice bourret

I think AnnE could play her.

Just to point out, there isn't a filter that will make up for that, no matter what Glenn tells you.

I don't believe for a second that he didn't know. He's stupid but not that stupid.

The girls were young and they looked young and the picture of him with his arm around that girl...that girl looked very young in that picture. Did he even ask her age?

Also, didn't they teach these royal cunts to be careful not to be put in compromising situations? Well, he is very stupid...

I think Andrew hung around coz egg dick was very rich and maybe paid many of his bills.

I’ve heard that garlic thing before. The Queen won’t eat anything with garlic either.

What’s up with that?

garlic smells.

Garlic is a well-known repellent to lizards. Make of that what you will.

R456, she looked over the age of consent and she was over the age of consent. The whole "underage" thing is not the point. It's the trafficking.

Some of these girls stayed with the Epstein crew for years. Getting money and fabulous trips... I feel for most of them but that Virginia girl is suspect IMO.

[quote]I don't believe for a second that he didn't know. He's stupid but not that stupid.

A desperate narrative being put out to try and soften the edge around Andrew's direct link to G-Max's grisly activities. The Times article in its way tries to do this. Andrew is a posh chump who loves shagging but isn't a bad man. Ignorance however is rarely a convincing defence.

That Times article contains some very contradictory statements such as Andrew can be both the blundering fool and incredibly gracious. He may be slightly less simple than DL likes to think.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were many ties between Epstein/Maxwell and NXIVM

^ Tell me AnnE wasn't born to play Jizzface?

[quote] he lacks Eton charm

What's that, other than an oxymoron?

[quote]What's that, other than an oxymoron?

What William has, and Andrew has never had.

BItch looks fabulous, damn.

Flawless skin.

Doesn’t look like someone suffering or worried or perturbed in any way 😳

Gurl, that's not her now.

Old pic?

Sorry 🤭☺️

Never mind 😛

R1, The better to arrive in secret at a private island, if one can pilot helicopters and small submersibles.

Melaswen perhaps?

I think I'm going to write a Ghislaine comic book.

Apparently "Jeus-Len" is how you pronounce her name in French.

Thank you for the 200th post about how to pronounce her name, hopefully there will be more.

Someone needs to cut together a reel of newscasters pronouncing her name for youtube.

Gill-enn

Simples

Correct pronunciation is: GISS LEN This is a French name and it is pronounced with a light "sss" sound as in express so - GISS LEN. All the English attempts to capture the pronunciation make the "s" silent or aspirated. The S is not aspirated or silent.

Belle du Jour avec Jizz

Well, it was a stupid name for a gurl born and brought up in England.

oops... seems she was born in France.

The s is silent. It's an old spelling. Up to date spelling would have a circumflex accent on the first i. Her mother was French, she was born in France, her father was a wandering Jew. Her name is hardly 'stupid' R480.

Try this out. Seems the 's' is a thing in Quebec.

Thanks for that link r483. I think I figured out the puzzle of the pronunciation. It appears that there's a masculine and feminine version of "Ghislaine":

[bold]Ghislain ou Guylain est un nom de famille notamment porté par[bold]

So, while our gal "Jizz" was given the formal name of Ghislaine at birth (feminine spelling), she appears to favour the male or masculine spelling pronounciation of "Guylain" or GA LEN (phoenetic) So she is taking the French spelling but pronouncing it in the male version of the name (GA LEN). Andrew pronounced it GA LEN in the BBC interview so makes sense now.

R484 the 'n' in "Guylain" is 'silent'. The 'n' is pronounced only when followed by an 'e'.

Jizz pronounces her name in the northern French way, Gill-enn being Ghislaine, the feminine version of Ghislain or Guylain.

Nice try, Jizz Lane.

I’m gonna assume that the women who were sexually exploited by her know how to pronounce her name. And in the documentary they all pronounced it Ghee-lenn.

Ghee-lenn - I agree, assuming that is a hard 'g'.

R487 Of course that's how it's pronounced, particularly in France. I worked with a Ghislaine, who was an idiot with a Zoey Deschanel face and was in a relationship with a guy who distributed artistic erotic movies (seriously), and that is how her name was pronounced. She was dumb as rocks.

This name thing seems like a whole plan to get her case thrown out of court because half the people hear her name and think it’s about someone else. Jizzlane? I don’t know her?

R488 yep! Hard G

Listen and learn

Oh, good, I came back for another post about her name.

Or this...

Pour yourself a cocktail R493, and have a seat. We got a million of them.

It's pronounced the way Jizz pronounces it, ie Gill-enn (hard g): that is northern French. R492 has the Quebecois pronunciation; R494 the British.

It's certainly amusing how the pronunciation of her name is so debated. Not since Jesus in Mexico have I seen such attention.

Ghee-LENN you fat whores.

A newscaster in Atlanta pronounced it Grislane. That reminded me of Grizabella, so it morphed into Jizzabella.

I hope she stays alive. We need to see this story play out, with all the gore and goo that's been hidden for Lord knows how long. I have a heart of stone and an axe to grind when it involves taking advantage of the young. Maybe they were at the age of consent; but look back and remember how naive you were at 16, 17 or even 18. What they did to the girls is unforgivable.

Mostly agreed R499, except this isn’t about consent, at any age. These women were trafficked, meaning they were imprisoned and used for sex. Who knows about the women who didn’t make it out?

I call her Madam.

Will Jizzy sing like a canary?

R499 "but look back and remember how naive you were at 16, 17 or even 18"

I was desperate for more and more cock-action at that age. Naive yes but I was a whore.

Have you guys seen where someone on Reddit claims to have found her account and, if so, she was one of the most prolific posters/moderators on there.

Did the nasty old perv really think she'd be able to live out her remaining years undiscovered in 'FuckedAway' New Hampshire?

Re R504: Anyone else now wondering what sort of sociopaths are currently contributing their thoughts on DL?

Jizzbag will spend a cozy week in Brooklyn's federal lockup.

Melania with Andy and Epstein.

R450 As a Jew, I appreciate your sensitivity, sense of fair play, and respect. However, I don't necessarily see the matter as a "Jewish conspiracy", but rather a conspiracy involving some Israeli agents, perpetrated by the world's very rich and powerful perverts. Their being Jewish is inconsequential to me. I don't perceive the main players as good Jews, respectable Jews, proper Jews, or even religious Jews.... whatever.. Other than the corrupt Ehud Barak, I don't really think of any of the others as proper Jews, or representative of mainstream Jews.

That said, there are more than enough antisemitic posts on this forum to make one's head implode, so I see your POV. Believing the members of Mega Group, or Mossad are bad people guilty of very despicable things does not necessarily need to turn into an indictment of all Jewish people. I cannot deny it may make the rest of us look bad to some eyes, but to deny the "web" as a Jew makes the denier look guilty as well.

It's but a small irrelevant aspect that many are of AJ descent, it's more relevant that these individuals are a very rare coterie of the world's most powerful, and richest freaks. Then we have the state-sponsored or condoned aspect of it all being an Israeli Honeypot Trap. Naturally none of this logically equates to all Jews are pervs, bad actors, etc.

R510 Who is that blonde whore gazing adoringly at HRH Pos Andrew? If women look at him like that, no wonder he thinks they want to have sex with him.

Her name is Gwendolyn Beck R512. She traveled on Epstein’s jets with Andrew and Epstein in the late 1990s, at a time when she worked for Morgan Stanley and managed Epstein’s funds. They all partied together.

Epstein contributed cash to her unsuccessful 2014 run for Congress in VA. This was after he had to register as a sex offender for soliciting sex from a minor. She thought Epstein was “healed”, so she took the cash. She’s now bemoaning the fact that her name is being associated with his, when she did nothing wrong.

That photo was taken in 2000 at Mar-A-Lago.

Maybe it's an age thing but more and more I look around the world from the superficiality of Fire Island all the way to the perverse ugliness of the celebrity world and I think: I really like my dull life as a nobody.

It's funny r514, all this past week or maybe month, I should say, I've been thinking in the back of my mind "You're fine here, stay here." My grandparents used to tease me but an element of gentle admonishment as a little kid if ever I talked about travel to foreign countries, dreaming as little kids do. They're weren't wrong.

can't they trace the IP address of that reddit account?

For all we know that's how the FBI found her.

R511 "Naturally none of this logically equates to all Jews are pervs, bad actors, etc."

So true, but of course the anti-semites will absolute go there. I don't think the Mossad honeypot trap thing has been confirmed by a legitimate source, but if is does turn out to be true, I would say Israel has made a critical mistake in their relations with the vast majority of Jewish people around the world who have no idea what they're engaged in. Why would I, as a jew, wish to support a country which supports this filth for whatever political gain? If the Mossad thing is true, they've just handed anti-semites extremely powerful material to paint all Jews with a very broad black brush, and I despise them for it. As I despise Epstein and Dershowitz.

And I will reiterate what you said, though I may just be shouting into the void, this evil little group of powerful perverts do not represent us.

[quote]Alleged Jeffrey Epstein fixer Ghislaine Maxwell has been forced to wear paper clothes and sleep on paper sheets so she won’t hang herself with them like Epstein, according to a report. (NY Post)

From stiletto heels to paper slippers. How the mighty socialite has fallen.

^^^Too damned bad we can't have pictures of her wearing butcher paper PJ's.

There's money to be made for a guard willing to snap a few pics. Here's hoping.

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R510---In that pic JE is obviously saying, "So I fucked her with my eggdick!"

And everyone laughs.

Wanna know what I think and you will all disagree and call me nuts?

Trump is gay, masc, dom and violent. He loathes all women except the daughter, and raped boys and girls

Epstein was bi. He was castrated or had an accident or physical and sexual abuse.

Israel controls them all. And we support that entire place, their wars and their “conflicts”.

They’re to the US Elite, was Scientology is to Travolta and Cruise.

Something is really off about Epstein when in the company of certain men, as is the same with Reump.

All cocaine addicts, fyi. And there’s lots of drug trafficking here and that’s the real secret that could land this cunt Trump, behind bars.

Kilos after kilos after kilos. Russia , Central American, and Colombian mobs, as well as the EyeTalians.

Huh, Donnie?

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R523 Nice try troll. A tactic used by trolls employed to dilute the shit that has hit the fan is the " I'm an insane conspiracy theorist". You trolls fuck it up all the time because you hit multiple sites with the same crap at the same time.

Who do these two remind you of?

Jesus. Look at this. Insecure bottoms and tops, marrying really tall amazons because they have to look perfect and have the “be best beards”. Lol!

All of these people were fucking each other. All of them.

Wonder if that’s why Trump really despises Obama? He hit him up and Obama said, “Nah, man, nah. I already got a real man at home, remember? Just like you and y’all at FOX always say.”

🤘🏽

The fact that you even address me and in such a specific narrative that genuinely is not mine, makes me go hmmm.

Not a troll, and I’m making observations based on body language, photos and small “tells”.

Listen cunt, I’m a nice person, but I’ve seen my share of shit, including FREAKS, like Trump & his “wives” Men like this have done “EVERYTHING”, and do each other, each other’s wives, and more.

You’re trying to tell me that this man spent decades palling around Manhattan with New York’s biggest closeted homo, who procured kids for his freaky, cross dressing , pedo boss, back in DC, and then spent the late 80s and on, hanging out with pedos Epstein and Ghizzy, but he can’t be gay, a swinger, and a wife swapper???

GTFOH. The man is a FUCKING PSYChO FREAK, and that’s why he lives DC. A bunch of other compromised, sociopaths who are also pedos and freaks, who can get blackmailed and fucked in the ass by Don it Melania or who ever he’s got now.

Epstein is dead. Billy Barr arrests Ghizzy. NYC AGs investigating Trump in multiple districts are illegally fired by Barr...but NO!!!

Donald Trump isn’t into fucking men! Impossible!!!

Partee Time!

Fuck off, Trump-is-Gay Troll. We're talking about Jizzy, here.

[quote]Doe’s attorney Robert Glassman told ABC News Thursday that “Ms. Maxwell is once again deflecting blame on the victims themselves for the significant role she played in causing the victims irreparable damage. We are disappointed that she is taking this position, but look forward to holding her responsible for what she did.”

Marla... Not Missing Out.

Donnie parties with some of the scummiest criminal on earth, but let’s defend the honor of his pristine & virginal asshole, above all else.

Roy, Gossip Rags & Rug Burns...

R463, the Times article said that when Andrew was being gracious to a woman, she immediately suspected something was up. In any case, it is possible generally to be an unpolished fool but also be gracious on occasion, depending on the circumstances.

She be talking.

I know there's lots of competition, but is Prince Andrew the least likeable member of the British royal family?

R523, Don't be so sure he doesn't hate Vanky, too.

The top criminals traffic in children (See: Missing thousands from our Southern border), adolescents (See: Lawsuits), women (See: Melania), drugs (See: Afghanistan), and war materiel (See: Ukraine).

And they aid rogue nations and despots hide/launder their loot (See: Deutsche bank; casinos; hotels; golf resorts).

Fred (Genovese), Donald pere (Russia) et fils (Russia), Eric (Russia), Ivanka (China; Kazakhstan), Jared (Saudi Arabia), Barr pere (Epstein) et fils (Epstein), Manafort (Russia), Flynn (Turkey), Mnuchin, Pompeo, etc. = Treason, Inc.

Hillary was not quite right when she declared that, with Trump, all roads lead to Russia, although he is indebted to Putin, whom Trump hero-worships.

They might very well all lead to Jeffrey Epstein, the man who satisfied men's lusts. And recorded it all.

R536, what puzzles me is that reading comments on Celebitchy, where all of the birds there fly here to comment as well, on that site, they comment as if they think Ghizzy and Trump just casually crossed paths a few times, and that because optics are Trump’s primary concern, she will not be suicided in the same exact manner as was Epstein!

What the fuck? She is being “processed” and “promoted” as suicidal, just like Epstein, who also had a roommate placed in his cell because he was allegedly suicidal, who then allegedly attempted to kill Epstein, before Epstein was then placed off suicide watch, and alone in his cell, committed suicide!

Ghizzy wasn’t arrested because she is a criminal who trafficked children, she was arrested so that she could be killed and silenced, just like Epstein, because she too, knew Trump VERY well, and was there when he too, participated in the exploitation and trafficking of minors!

It is unbelievable that people still have the ability to give Donald Trump any benefit of doubt or to ascribe any motivations to him, stemming from his possible desire to pursue justice, or to legally process, prosecute and sentence a woman who procured minors for him to sexually assault, rather than the very likely motive of shutting her up by having her suicided!

Who the fuck does anyone actually have the temerity to think this man is? The President? This man is a thug and a psychopath who likes tacky decor, his name in lights, golden latrines, whores, and circa 1985, Peruvian Flake. He will kill YOU if you saw him do what he wasn’t supposed to, even if he originally solicited your services and paid you for the opportunity to do it.

Why is Donald Trump still walking around upright, breathing air and burning what shreds are left of American democracy? I can only hope that the answer to that question is because it still might be possible to follow due process, and subject him to a judicial system as is guaranteed to him, rather than how he perverts that same system, in order to carry out hits on American and foreign born human sex traffickers, on American soil, within the walls of American correctional facilities.

If we get this man for 4 more years? We are done. It’s over. Finito.

Not much new but a significant insight...

[quote]Maxwell has asserted in court filings that she entered Epstein's employ in 1999, where she remained, despite the end of their romantic relationship, until at least 2006. Maxwell's only sworn testimony on the nature of her work for Epstein can be found in excerpts -- unsealed by a federal court last year

[quote] According to Maxwell's testimony, she was responsible for the staffing and management of Epstein's various properties. "There were six homes," Maxwell said. "I hired assistants, I hired architects, I hired decorators, I hired cooks, I hired cleaners, I hired gardeners, I hired pool people, I hired pilots, I hired all sorts of people. A very small part of my job was from time to time to find adult professional massage therapists for Jeffrey."

[quote] She denied, under oath, that she had ever hired underage girls to work for Epstein, assertions that are now the subject of perjury charges. "As far as I'm concerned, everyone who came to his house was an adult, professional person," Maxwell said. "I am not aware of teenagers who worked in his home."

[quote] "Ghislaine Maxwell created Jeffrey Epstein," Edwards told ABC News. "She helped to create the monster that we later understood him to be."

R522: So I said, don't think of it is as premature ejaculation, think of it as over easy.

Isn't she covered in Alex Acosta's sweetheart deal ?

The United States also agrees that it will not institute any criminal charges against any potential co-conspirators of Epstein, including but not limited to Sarah Kellen, Adriana Ross, Lesley Groff, or Nadia Marcinkova.

R535, by the way, yes. Kids are being trafficked and sourced at US Mexico borders, in the EU as migrants and asylum seekers and war refugees all the way from Africa, the ME, South East Asia, Asia, etc. Human trafficking is the most lucrative global industry, through out the ages, and now. Our country was built by it, and right now, others are being built by it as well.

I know this. And then we get to highly sinister aspects within government and geopolitics and private interests pursued via governments all over, and that’s when we start seeing this bulkshit with kids and teens. It’s not calmed PizzaGate, or some masterminded criminal enterprise, to be de-coded by us on Reddit, and curated by some bullshit distraction and apparatus of propaganda called Q-Anon.

It’s called spy craft, and it is sustainable because people are immoral and perverted, and like brutalizing others for kicks, even if they’re royalty or presidents or in congress, or senate, or whatever. Pedophiles are not usually successful oligarchs, but men who are sociopaths and personality disordered to the point of criminality, oftentimes are.

This is not a pedophilia problem. This is a very serious and very real corruption and criminal mafia problem that has long been in high office, everywhere, and they are subsidized by the billions made from the profits of governments who presently engage in human bondage, human captivity, and literal, held in chains, locked in the most of inhumane conditions and quarters, old school, classic and just as brutal as in the movie you saw about the plantation massa, from 1700s, South, here in America, slave labor.

Why can’t we address this normally and justly take action to fix it?

Well, it all starts with us.

We just cannot seem to stop voting for people like Donald J. Trump, or turn off FOX News, and learn real history, of the world, not just ours, and start learning even more, and start connecting dots, enough dots to eventually realize that this inhumanity, is what underwrites our mortgages, our salaries, and vacations in Cabo.

This is why kids and adults everywhere, live lives most of us cannot even bring ourselves to learn about, instead of reading slop, filth and fapping material about child rape, on some Q-Anon Reddit thread, or other distractions and disinformants, like CDAN.

It’s too brutal, and no one want to really know about this, much less figure out that we are also all responsible for it, and actually answer the question of what are we willing to do and sacrifice and change our lives, to change theirs?

Not much, I’m guessing.

So Prince Andrew is basically the creepy uncle you were warned about to never get caught alone in a room with?

r542, it's in the blood. The British royal family have been notorious sexual predators dating back at least to King John.

FF r534 for right wing propaganda fake news.

A small part of her job was hiring adult professional massage therapists?

Is. She. For. Real.

Bitch is finally in the system.

^ I'm ON THE LIST!

Ghislaine Maxwell requests bail release due to 'unprecedented' Covid-19 risks:

What about everyone else who's in the slammer? Can they leave, too?

What she said.

She looks good for 58.

R548 I wasn’t aware that there were precedented COVID-19 risks?

WTF?

The conspiracy theory run deep with this one. Can we blame 9/11 on her somehow?

She was supposed to appear in Court today.

R555 It's next Tuesday.

[quote]An initial bail hearing and arraignment for alleged Jeffrey Epstein fixer Ghislaine Maxwell will be held via video conference early next week, a Manhattan federal court judge ordered Tuesday. Maxwell’s virtual court hearing is scheduled for next Tuesday afternoon at 1 p.m., Judge Alison Nathan wrote in the order.

Link @ R509

Cane. Face.

R556 Or is it C U Next Tuesday?

I love you, r557.

Please spill in related thread...

Please disregard R560's attempt to jump to a new thread too early and let's continue with this thread until it's done. smh

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^^^Hilarious.

Just watched an old SVU rerun that could not have been more obviously on Epstein and Maxwell. At the end, he throws her under the bus to cut a deal for himself and she dissolves into shrieking tears realizing what he's done.

Just watched two episodes of the Netflix series on Epstein. I've been a ferocious Clinton defender since June of '92, through all the scandals and non-scandals - what the fuck was Bill thinking! They are not dumb people, they should have seen from a mile away that Epstein and Maxwell were trouble.

[quote] I've been a ferocious Clinton defender since June of '92

Frau, begone.

r566 I'm not a frau, you cunt!

Ok, then you are a fraulein. Begone R567.

^^ big queen loves calling gay men frau.

[quote] I've been a ferocious Clinton defender since June of '92

There is nothing defensible about Clinton. Since '92? Gurl?

r567 Why don't you go take a nice long bath - with a hair dryer that's plugged in.

r567 Why don't you go take a nice long bath - with a hair dryer that's plugged in.

[quote] I've been a ferocious Clinton defender since June of '92

R565 must be new here.

[quote]Just watched an old SVU rerun that could not have been more obviously on Epstein and Maxwell. At the end, he throws her under the bus to cut a deal for himself and she dissolves into shrieking tears realizing what he's done.

Sounds like a satisfying ending. But let me take a guess. The Maxwell character got shafted because she refused to listen to Olivia's heartfelt advice, based on Olivia's years of experience and spoken in a smoky voiced whisper.

^ Bingo!

Curious, who did they cast in the roles of Jizz and Egg?

Here, r576. Figure it out. First broadcast in 2011.

2011. People knew about and understood the whole thing for years before mainstream news gave serious attention to it. Disgusting. Who wanted to keep it quiet and had the influence?

I wanna hear more about Epstein's egg-dick.

OT sort of. DM Headline about upcoming Beckham nuptials:

Brooklyn Beckham, 21, and new fiancée Nicola Peltz, 25, 'plan to tie the knot in TWO separate weddings next year costing £4 million'... with Victoria 'delighted' for newly-engaged couple

This is the sort of headline Fergie would be dying to blast in every tabloid. Instead, it's silence on Bea's "nuptials"

R564 I love that episode! Although their Jizz stand in was about a million times more attractive than the real one.

Paper sheets are too good for pedo sex-slave procurer Jizzbag Maxhell at the notorious MDC.

She really makes the perfect villain, almost to the point of being a cartoon or comic-book lowlife.

Oh Nos! R583

[quote] Ghislaine Maxwell in 14-day coronavirus isolation cell at ‘hell hole’ jail where ‘guards have raped and beaten inmates’

I keep saying this, but The Sun is just like the Fox News, The New York Post and the editorial board of the WSJ--they are owned by Rupert Murdoch.

Stories that "leak" and plant doubt or speculation are frequently suspect and sometimes, I think, actually test research to gauge public reaction.

That's why it's called The Scum R585.

R564, I was watching ION tv yesterday too and saw it.

[quote]She really makes the perfect villain, almost to the point of being a cartoon or comic-book lowlife.

Imagine her and Roger Stone together. Satan himself would shudder.

R585 Yeah, sorry; I posted that mainly for the pics inside MDC.

MDC reflects the decline of Western values. What a deplorable environment for those who remain innocent until proven guilty. Why are Americans so mean to each other?

Here is a Swiss prison cell. Our prisons emphasize rehabilitation with dignity not to treat people like shit.

Prosecutors are holding firm on flight risk...

[quote]Ghislaine Maxwell should be denied bail while facing charges she lured underage girls for the late financier Jeffrey Epstein, and deserves no "special treatment" because of the risk she might contract COVID-19 in jail, U.S. prosecutors said on Monday.

You know, last week at this time I thought Maxwell would be dead and Naya alive.

All along, Jizz has been denying that she's hiding, saying that she's just avoiding intrusive publicity. Well, now it seems we have evidence...

[quote]Ghislaine Maxwell hired former members of the British military as security guards and wrapped a cellphone in tin foil to avoid being traced by law enforcement, prosecutors wrote Monday, calling her “skilled at living in hiding.”

It makes no sense that she stayed in "hiding" in the U.S.. She had resources to disappear indefinitely. Eric Rudolph (Atlanta Olympic Bomber) hid in the woods of North Carolina from 1998 to 2003, eating salamanders, with zero support from friends. Ghislaine Maxwell has made a sweetheart deal; the only logical explanation.

There's a reason it happened now, after all the time gone by. Someone's head is on the block. And that makes me doubt she's being held at MDC.

Switzerland's prisons are run by Yotel?

[quote]Ghislaine Maxwell has made a sweetheart deal; the only logical explanation.

Well if a sweetheart deal is lingering in a Corona ridden hell hole Manhattan jail where her co-devil may or may not have been murdered, I'd hate to see what happened if the FBI just kicked the door in one morning in the middle of the New Hampshire woods.

So in other words R593, the Feds are doing their best to keep her locked up for her to be Epsteined.

Here's the memo federal prosecutors submitted today...

It's possible that there already is a plan in place regarding her testimony and that we (the public) are being spoon fed information meant to manipulate us. I can't explain how or in what way, but information can be manipulated to make it look like Maxwell was/is a "hero" in all of this.

The Sun is indeed scum r586, but I'm not sure anyone actually calls them that.

Don't forget that Ghislaine's father Robert Maxwell was Rupert Murdoch's tabloid-owning rival in the UK. He owned the left-wing, Labour-supporting Daily Mirror while Murdoch owns the right-wing, Tory-supporting Sun.