Great American songwriter Paul Williams
...needs an appreciation thread here. For the youngsters who may have missed out, Oscar and Grammy winner Paul Williams, once described as an "erotic and corrupted teddy bear" at 5'2", wrote some of the biggest hits of the 1970s, and some of the most heartfelt lyrics in American songwriting.
He won the Oscar for the theme song to Evergreen, co-wrote: "Rainy Days and Mondays" and "We've Only Just Begun" for the Carpenters; the unique and brilliant score to "Phantom of the Paradise" (in which he also starred); and the beloved hit "Rainbow Connection"; and got a 2014 Grammy for his album with Daft Punk. He's president of ASCAP and works to help recovering addicts in the entertainment world. He was the subject of controversial biopic in 2011 called Still Alive.
He must have lots of fans here, so let's talk about him! Has anyone seen the Still Alive biopic?
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 100 | July 28, 2020 1:17 PM
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Can't think of one song of his that I Iiked. Hard pass.
by Anonymous | reply 1 | June 12, 2020 1:15 AM
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For some reason, Rainbow Connection gets a bit emotional. Maybe it's Kermit.
by Anonymous | reply 2 | June 12, 2020 1:26 AM
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Wasn't he always on THE LOVE BOAT or FANTASY ISLAND?
by Anonymous | reply 3 | June 12, 2020 1:28 AM
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He had a distinctive voice?
by Anonymous | reply 4 | June 12, 2020 1:28 AM
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Paul Williams' physical appearance always gave me the creeps, but no doubt he's a prolific and talented pop music icon.
by Anonymous | reply 5 | June 12, 2020 1:30 AM
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Great songwriter and definitely under appreciated. I saw him with my Mom back in the seventies. I still remember when he started to sing “Evergreen” & everyone in that theater got up and started to cheer.
by Anonymous | reply 6 | June 12, 2020 1:33 AM
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I thought he was a midget when I was a kid.
by Anonymous | reply 7 | June 12, 2020 1:38 AM
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I remember her when I was young. She was a bit scary.
by Anonymous | reply 8 | June 12, 2020 1:38 AM
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Dare you to watch it and not cry
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 10 | June 12, 2020 1:48 AM
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I got him confused with Randy Newman and “Short People”.
by Anonymous | reply 11 | June 12, 2020 1:51 AM
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Supremely talented OP - thank you for the thread
by Anonymous | reply 12 | June 12, 2020 1:57 AM
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Great songwriter and performer. But man he looks like such a lesbian in OP’s pic.
by Anonymous | reply 13 | June 12, 2020 1:58 AM
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Upon accepting the Academy Award with Barbra: “I was going to thank all the little people, then I remembered, I am the little people.”
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 14 | June 12, 2020 2:09 AM
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He's actually a wonderful man in person with a great sense of humor. I can listen to him talk for hours. His songs are great, even the ones you've never heard of. He survived the music industry of the 70's and should be sainted just for that fact.
by Anonymous | reply 15 | June 12, 2020 2:17 AM
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My favorite thing he did is Bugsy Malone! Wish they'd release the DVD in the US. Paul's awesome-what was controversial about the biopic? I think I have it saved on Netflix but have yet to watch it.
by Anonymous | reply 17 | June 12, 2020 2:37 AM
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I'm a child of the 70s. I remember seeing him everywhere. I really liked the documentary. And I liked that he was able to get through his drug addiction. He is an amazing songwriter.
by Anonymous | reply 18 | June 12, 2020 2:40 AM
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An underappreciated masterpiece from the Master: Jessica Harper sings his "Old Souls" in Phantom of the Paradise (1973)
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 19 | June 12, 2020 2:49 AM
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Perhaps my favorite from TMM.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 20 | June 12, 2020 2:57 AM
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He was on an episode of The Odd Couple. Felix took his daughter to see him, because she was a big fan. Then he got him to come by the apartment because Oscar somehow had a connection to him through the newspaper. I thought he was a strange person to have as a teen idol, wouldn’t Bobby Sherman or David Cassidy be more appropriate for that time period?
by Anonymous | reply 21 | June 12, 2020 2:58 AM
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He was Mike Douglas's cohost about 20 time between 1974 and 1978.
by Anonymous | reply 22 | June 12, 2020 3:06 AM
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Love his "Phantom Of The Paradise" & Bugsy Malone" soundtracks too.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 23 | June 12, 2020 3:06 AM
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Loved him in Willie Wonka.
by Anonymous | reply 24 | June 12, 2020 3:07 AM
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Made many solo albums in the 70s. His songs with Roger Nichols are great. His singing voice is an acquired taste...but I have acquired it. For your consideration: What Would They Say (theme from The Boy in the Plastic Bubble).
by Anonymous | reply 25 | June 12, 2020 3:30 AM
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Liked his songs for Three Dog Night "Old Fashioned Love Song" and "Out In The Country". Supposedly, he was singing over a bank commercial featuring a young married couple, when the Carpenters recognized his voice. They called him up and asked if he could make a full song from that commercial, which spawned "We've Only Just Begun".
by Anonymous | reply 26 | June 12, 2020 3:45 AM
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This is him singing in this bank commercial from 1970. We've Only Just Begun ". Sounds good!
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 27 | June 12, 2020 3:49 AM
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Rainbow Connection, sung by Debbie Harry and friend
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 28 | June 12, 2020 6:32 AM
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R17 the guy who made Still Alive is borderline abusive to Paul Williams in the film. Many critics panned it and many fans were outraged.
by Anonymous | reply 29 | June 12, 2020 6:36 AM
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Paul wrote this for The Carpenters, but they didn't record it. Three Dog Night recorded it and it became a big hit.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 30 | June 12, 2020 6:52 AM
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Wasn't he a drunk and harrasser of women?
by Anonymous | reply 32 | June 12, 2020 6:54 AM
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He played the son of Dr. Miguelito Loveless in a Wild WIld West tv movie.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 33 | June 12, 2020 7:13 AM
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R32 Hugely messed up on coke and booze for many years until he sobered up in the 90s. I haven't heard any harassment stories...do you have any to relate?
by Anonymous | reply 34 | June 12, 2020 8:57 AM
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R3 and R22 Yes, he was ubiquitous during the 70s because, in his words, "I was such a little media-whore". He blacked out/forgot many TV appearances due to the drugs and alcohol.
by Anonymous | reply 35 | June 12, 2020 9:04 AM
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I wish he'd tell the truth about who composed "Evergreen". I still think that the greedy bitch Babs added herself to the songwriting credits without actually writing any of the song. Her contribution was probably nothing more than the addition of "(Love Theme from A Star Is Born)" to the song title.
by Anonymous | reply 36 | June 12, 2020 9:05 AM
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A short article from 2013 with updates on what he's been doing lately.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 37 | June 12, 2020 9:06 AM
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He’s come a long way since The Shire.
by Anonymous | reply 38 | June 12, 2020 9:09 AM
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R36 Streisand sent Evergreen back to him 33 times asking for alterations. He said "Working with Barbra Streisand is like trying to have a picnic at the end of an [airport] runway"
by Anonymous | reply 39 | June 12, 2020 9:30 AM
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As I said the last time Phantom of the Paradise came up (all of seven weeks ago):
[quote]Broadway seems to be so intent on turning 2nd and 3rd rate movies into stage musicals these days that I've long wondered why no one has tried it with a good film like PotP. Someone should, ideally while Paul Williams is still around.
If we make it to 2021, every deity out there will owe us big time. I'll take Phantom on Broadway, please.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 40 | June 12, 2020 9:31 AM
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Well he was in “Smokey and the Bandit” with that beautiful man, Mr. Burt Reynolds, so he can’t be all that bad.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 41 | June 12, 2020 9:35 AM
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When I think of Paul Williams, I know the first word that always pops up is EROTIC.
by Anonymous | reply 42 | June 12, 2020 12:05 PM
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Besides Mike Douglas, he was also a frequent guest singer on Carson
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 43 | June 12, 2020 12:49 PM
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No r44, that's actually him. PW was in a Planet of the Apes Movie. And I also saw this documentary on him that a superfan made. The superfan basically stalked him the whole time, and Paul came across as annoyed (who wouldn't be?) but I think superfan managed to get an interview in the end. I cannot remember TBH.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 45 | June 12, 2020 10:47 PM
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I didn't know that, R45 - thanks for the correction - R44
by Anonymous | reply 46 | June 12, 2020 10:50 PM
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He was great in The Loved One.
by Anonymous | reply 47 | June 12, 2020 10:56 PM
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“You and Me Against The World” sang by Helen Reddy is just gorgeous. If you love your mom, give it a listen.
by Anonymous | reply 48 | June 12, 2020 11:01 PM
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Paul as Swan in Phantom of the Paradise (1973)
He made a fabulous and very funny villain.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 49 | June 12, 2020 11:02 PM
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He was scary in Don't Look Now
by Anonymous | reply 51 | June 12, 2020 11:08 PM
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He sort of looks like Bud Cort
by Anonymous | reply 52 | June 12, 2020 11:08 PM
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I was low key fascinated with him after seeing PotO (I was 8). But then I had crushes on Elton John and Gene Wilder, so my taste in men was questionable even then.
by Anonymous | reply 53 | June 12, 2020 11:17 PM
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He played one of the Orangutans in the 1973 movie Battle For The Planet Of The Apes.
by Anonymous | reply 54 | June 12, 2020 11:18 PM
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R41 in that picture he is with the crazy Pat McCormick
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 55 | June 12, 2020 11:23 PM
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[quote]“You and Me Against The World” sang by Helen Reddy is just gorgeous.
Oh, dear.
by Anonymous | reply 56 | June 12, 2020 11:49 PM
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That Helen reddy song makes me cry buckets as does rainbow connection
by Anonymous | reply 60 | June 13, 2020 12:40 AM
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He just gave me a creepy vibe as a kid. Plus he resembled Ms. Miller, my high school PE teacher.
by Anonymous | reply 62 | June 13, 2020 12:45 AM
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[quote]He just gave me a creepy vibe as a kid
Ditto. He wrote some beautiful songs, but sure gave off super creepy vibes when he was on talk shows. If as a kid you saw him in a park and he offered candy, definitely best to run the other direction.
by Anonymous | reply 63 | June 13, 2020 1:30 AM
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He was actually something of a teen-idol in the early 70s. The pre-teen girls found him cute and cuddly.
by Anonymous | reply 64 | June 13, 2020 2:14 AM
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In the last two weeks I've been rediscovering Three Dog Night (worthy of their own thread) and I was surprised to find that Williams had written "Out In The Country." That's really typical with his songs: you listen to them and really like them, but don't associate them with him. I have a huge Paul Williams songbook, and I'm always amazed at just how many great songs he wrote -And how many I didn't know were his.
by Anonymous | reply 65 | June 13, 2020 2:37 AM
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His songs were emblematic of what was wrong with 1970s top 40 music--vapid, sappy, ecch! I get him confused with John Williams, the schlocky film composer.
by Anonymous | reply 66 | June 13, 2020 3:12 AM
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r43 Too many banana daiquiris!
by Anonymous | reply 67 | June 13, 2020 3:19 AM
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I like two other songs he did for the Carpenters, "I Won't Last A Day Without You", and a short, but very nice song called "Let Me Be The One".
by Anonymous | reply 68 | June 13, 2020 3:22 AM
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I like his songs from the Muppets Christmas Carol
by Anonymous | reply 69 | June 13, 2020 3:23 AM
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The Carpenters version of Let Me Be The One. Karen's vocals are beautiful.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 70 | June 13, 2020 3:45 AM
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I am sorry... I can't with The Carpenters. Her voice is like death.
by Anonymous | reply 71 | June 13, 2020 4:13 AM
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[quote] ^^^ You iz bad!
As others pointed out that picture is legit. He was still filming and came to the Carson taping straight from shooting. He came out from behind the curtain in his full costume and makeup and played it perfectly straight with no ape shtick. But the more he did Paul Williams as a golden ape the more Carson and the audience cracked up. The whole bit used to be on youtube but apparently no longer so I had to settle for that picture from that night.
by Anonymous | reply 72 | June 13, 2020 4:30 AM
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Always just assumed Dana Carvey's character was based on Paul Williams' insipid lyrics.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 74 | June 13, 2020 5:09 AM
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R43 & R72: Williams said that of the 50+ Tonight Show appearances he did, he only remembers 5 or 6 of them (due to booze). I wonder if that night was one of them.
by Anonymous | reply 76 | June 13, 2020 5:56 AM
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Paul Williams delivered my favorite line from Smokey and the Bandit:
Smokey: "Why do want that beer so bad?" Little Enos: "Because he's thirsty, dummy."
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 77 | June 17, 2020 7:39 AM
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Why were three piece suits such a big trend in the 70s? And white ones at that. I remember Paul Williams being everywhere from Love Boat to Carson in that little white three piece with his flowing blond locks and snorkeling goggles. Was he the trendsetter?
by Anonymous | reply 78 | June 23, 2020 5:51 AM
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Vimeo has part of the Paul Williams Tonight Show golden ape performance.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 79 | June 23, 2020 6:10 AM
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"Still Here" is free for Amazon Prime members.
by Anonymous | reply 80 | June 23, 2020 6:15 AM
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Rita Coolidge did a lovely job with "Isn't That What Friends Are For?" on her "It's Only Love" album.
by Anonymous | reply 81 | June 23, 2020 6:35 AM
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I, too, grew up in the 70's, and can attest to the fact that this guy was everywhere on TV. There was just no escaping him. Talk shows, game shows, sitcoms, variety shows, you name it, that obnoxious little garden gnome was sure to pop up somewhere practically every week, often drunk.
by Anonymous | reply 82 | June 23, 2020 7:36 AM
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Hahaha! The Boy in the Plastic Bubble was on the other night. Paul Williams wrote and performed the theme song. Of course he did!! He was everywhere in the 1970s! What a crazy, dated film. I actually enjoyed it. BEAMISH WAS THE SHERRY SIPPING NURSE!! Aaron Spelling loved to reuse actors hence why they show up in multiple of his productions.
by Anonymous | reply 83 | July 26, 2020 11:36 PM
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Kenny Loggins put over this song.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 84 | July 26, 2020 11:48 PM
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Carol Burnett said he was the WORST guest she ever had. INSUFFERABLE
by Anonymous | reply 85 | July 26, 2020 11:53 PM
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I was happy to see him on Goliath
by Anonymous | reply 86 | July 27, 2020 12:05 AM
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r79 what the hell is he singing?
by Anonymous | reply 87 | July 27, 2020 12:14 AM
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R87 "Here's That Rainy Day" (!)
by Anonymous | reply 88 | July 27, 2020 11:06 AM
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If you have the chance, watch The Cheap Detective. He has a small scene towards the end where Peter Falk makes him slap himself to death.
by Anonymous | reply 89 | July 27, 2020 1:40 PM
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I wanna see his Muppet Show episodes!
by Anonymous | reply 90 | July 27, 2020 10:53 PM
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Paul had his very own Muppet:
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 91 | July 28, 2020 10:07 AM
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r91 you led me down a rabbit hole on You Tube, now I've been listening to The Carpenters (they were one of the suggestions on You Tube)
by Anonymous | reply 93 | July 28, 2020 10:37 AM
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Yeah, I was a child of the 70s and that little guy was everywhere -- on tv, movies and the radio. I liked his songs but I found his tv appearances obnoxious. Suddenly, he disappeared around the late 80s .... I thought he was dead until I saw him in Goliath on Amazon Prime where he played Thornton's old lawyer buddy. He seems to have mellowed in old age and sobriety. He seems like a nice guy now.
by Anonymous | reply 94 | July 28, 2020 10:39 AM
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R94 He crashed and burned in the 80s and got sober in the 90s. The [italic] Still Alive [/italic] documentary (free on Amazon, I believe) tells most of the story. He seems to have turned into a real sweetheart.
by Anonymous | reply 95 | July 28, 2020 10:44 AM
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R93 Check out the song at R19
by Anonymous | reply 96 | July 28, 2020 10:50 AM
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OP Still Alive.
The film maker, whose name is Fuckface McFuckwit is a dick. It makes it all about himself, and when you have a subject with a story like this, there is no need for your story. Squid, indeed.
SPOILERS - Without the clips Paul gives him at the end, the film would be shit.
Offsite Linkby Anonymous | reply 97 | July 28, 2020 10:55 AM
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Loved Evergreen. It really complimented Streisand's voice.
by Anonymous | reply 99 | July 28, 2020 11:07 AM
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Now it got me listening to Anne Murray and the tears are flowing, my Dad used to play her tapes in the car when I was a kid.
by Anonymous | reply 100 | July 28, 2020 1:17 PM
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