He looks better now

no dicky no laundry

Do all transmen have 1993 Brandon/Dylan-on-90210 sideburns to prove they have enough T?

It’s a chick with a short hair and a gash between her legs.

I’m a gay man.

Why are you asking a gay man if he’d fuck a woman?

Most have a beard.

R3, a lot of transmen end up with gay men in relationships. But if you are a bottom, I guess not.

Chaz seems like a nice person and he also seems much happier since he transitioned. He always seemed so depressed and sad as Chastity.

Clean shaven?? Wow you never see that on trans men.

Good for Chaz, he looks great.

Just can’t get into “dudes” with pussies.

Chaz was good in Curb Your Enthusiasm.

r8, it would have been so much easier to just stay lesbians, no? Well, I guess they take testosterone and now have while male privileged. At least they found each other.

OP and R5 are the same Tranny troll.

It's a troll thread. Do not engage and just the block and FF the homophobe that started this thread.

I probably would . It seems many FTM's pass so much better than most MTF's. I'm more of top so I'd probably be okay if he had a hairy chest, legs, and ability to decent stubble/facial hair. I'm more attacted to those male secondary features then dicks--plus two holes to fuck. I'd rather have the extra hole with the enlarged clit than an FTM with bottom surgery.

on a related note, there is a trans character on PBS's Masterpiece, Mystery! currently on their Baptiste series, this season of which takes place in Amsterdam.

The trans character passes really well--you'd never suspect.

She's still a she. Always will be. The decorative haircuts, clothes, pronouns, hormones and surgery dosen't change anything. Get over it. I'll get shit for my opinion, I know, but so be it.

He doesn't look anything like that now.

So she in fact just cut her tits off and takes hormones ? Isnt that still a titless lesbian ?

^ Elegantly put

The URL of the photo reveals that it was taken in 2016 or even earlier. R15 is right.

I'm not a troll and not into trannies, just a little bored. Wanted to add a conversation that wasn't just corona or politics.

[quote]a lot of transmen end up with gay men in relationships. But if you are a bottom, I guess not.

If most of them want to be fucked by men, then wouldn’t it be easier to stay as a woman? Seems like you’d have a lot more opportunities.

looks great!

The few FTMs I know personally are all in relationships with women.

r20, I don't think it's their intention. But maybe lack of opportunities with women. I don't think that straight women want a guy without a dick and lesbians don't want pussy with a beard and no breasts.

R5 men who fucks pussies are straight men, no matter how short the hair of the pussy bearers.

A woman with her tits lopped off is still a woman.

Reality is the ultimate TERF.

[quote] Chaz was good in Curb Your Enthusiasm.

One of the plot points is that Chaz's character has had a penis implant (attachment?) and he chose to have an enormous member. Is this even a real thing? How do we know Chaz hasn't done in IRL? I wouldn't think money would be an issue

R12 If you're a "gay" man who would sleep with a hairy woman who's had her tits lopped off and calls herself "Aiden", then surprise, you're bisexual.

[quote] Still no penis but would you do him?

No, that's not how being gay works. I want the actual penis. There's no "still no penis, but": if you're really a gay man, [bold]you want the penis.[/bold]

But I am glad he looks good and I wish him all the success in the world with his love life.

Sexual orientation and gender identification are not the same. Sexuality doesn't change when transgender people transition. If they started out attracted to men, they stay attracted to men, etc.

These FTMs always have a tell. Maybe it's in the eyes. I don't know, but something is always off.

No dick, no dice.

I bet he can do that Cher tongue thing with that mouth. It's hers.

I think author/academic Jordy Rosenberg looks pretty attractive for a FtM

What if they had a penis constructed?

[quote]What if they had a penis constructed?

Lego to the rescue?

Then a hard pass, r33. I meant if I crossed someone who looked like Jordy on the street I probably wouldn't guess FtM

As an aside, I know of Jordy through a mutual acquaintance and in real life have heard he is rather insufferable

Chaz is looking realistically male. It helps me accept trans when their transformations are more convincing/ good artwork.

Chaz is happy-dancing straight into David Venable territory.

Quite a few have a start to age and bald very rapidly after a few years because of the testosterone. They can’t take propecia because it blocks the testosterone that they take.

I have never found the antics of the mentally ill one bit amusing.

I honestly think these operations FTM and MTF are ghoulish and Dr. Mengele-like. I know you all will fire away at me but I don't even know how they can be lumped with LGB...these are delusional individuals who think they are something they are not, like many people with mental health problems. I realize the whole "my body, my choice" but the doctors doing the operations are appalling. JMHO. Guess I will now get roasted but that is my opinion.

FtMs look much better than MtFs. Chaz looks good and, from a friend of a friend, I’ve heard he is a nice person.

Chaz looks fine, but I need cock.

I’m a lesbian and I think he’s hot in the OP photo. He looks like a middle aged straight man in r37s picture, which isn’t my type.

[quote] What if they had a penis constructed?

A swath of forearm skin bundled up like a Swiss roll (with a flexible “bendy straw” wire at the center) does not a dick make.

R40 Honey. Most here totally agree.

R8 the one without glasses is seriously cute facially. Everything else though... 🤮🤮

I preferred fat Chaz Bono, who would have been a perfect body double for Dear Supreme Leader of Best Korea.

No is that Chaz?

Is Chaz Republican now?

not interested sexually. But he looks great.

R43 Yes. As a lesbian you would not be attracted to a man. DUHHHH

r6, she was depressed as Chastity because her cunt of a mother, Cher, didn't couldn't accept that her daughter was a lesbian. I'm totally sure Chastity's realization she's actually a heterosexual male and finally gaining the acceptance she's always wanted from her mother as a 'male' has absolutely no connection to her mother's homophobia.

No dick, trans, AND Gary Shandling lips?

Are you fucking insane?

[quote]FtMs look much better than MtFs.

It depends. Some of the ones in BrazilIan pron are very convincing to the point you would never know until you saw their cock.

R7 Yup, they tend to beard up (and ink up too).

I wonder if str8 bro-sex is a go-to trope for transmen as much as gay men? I can just imagine the college jock hunk who loves the idea that has best bro has a pussy to lick. Finally, someone who enjoys watching sports while they fuck.

[quote]Jordy Rosenberg is an associate professor at the University of Massachusetts Amherst, where he teaches eighteenth-century literature and queer/trans theory. [/quote]

That's a dick wilter right there.

The sad, sad tale of a heterosexual woman (and her gay male enabler) who thought it would be totally brave and stunning to flash her tits at a gay sex party.

Wake up you privileged cis gays, it's 2020! Pussies and tits are the gayest things in the world now and if you disagree you're a fucking transphobe!

Chaz looks good, IMO. Glad Chaz lost the weight, looks healthier and happier. Looks a bit like Sonny. Chaz seems like he minds his own business and doesn't try to have some type of career based on who his parents are.

That was hilarious R58

Presumptuous straight women ruin everything.

Now Chaz looks like every fat bear that lives in Brooklyn or Silver Lake.

From R58's hilarious post.

[quote]I thought that by posting I could get it off my chest.

Gurl, you got more than that to get off your chest. Like those titties.

Gypsies, Trans, and Thieves

R52 Cher and Chaz had a very brief estrangement when she was a teenager and told her she was a lesbian but they made up and she had no issues with chaz being gay. Part of what pissed her off was that she was the last to know and be told.

Both sides now.

[quote][R8] the one without glasses is seriously cute facially. Everything else though... 🤮🤮

I actually like the nipples as well as the face. Very attractive.

Still needs to lose a hell of a lot of weight

That picture is years old and, even considering that, is staged to make Chaz not look like an obese Amish farmer with a dinner plate face.

Before transitioning, all Chaz had for a career was being Sonny and Cher's lesbian daughter. Now all Chaz has for a career is being a trans activist. That's hardly a noble progression.

Chaz was on Howard stern sometime back and said one of the side effects of testosterone was that the natural lubrication in the vagina dries up making any kind of penetration very painful. I imagine a FTM has to lube a lot to have penetrative sex.

I just don’t get the FTMs that call themselves gay men now after getting their breasts removed. I mean you could dress and look masculine without all the invasive surgery. I wonder if it’s the female version of autogynophilia.

R29 it's that munchkin voice that clocks them.

Nope...still a woman at the end of the day.

I don't understand the men who swear they aren't gay but become women.

I don't get that. Can they not accept being attracted to men? How many transition completely and then still like women exclusively?

It's ok to be gay. You don't have to become a woman to remain straight.

Like Joe Hanson. Here he is in a clip telling protesters he's not gay. Almost shocked about it.

Years later on he goes and becomes a woman.

At the dragcon they compliment him, I guess he liked it.

The gay guys called it.

If you are now a man, wouldn't having a cock in your cunt kinda reminds you that you are actually a woman...

How many gay men would kill for PTAC (pussy, tits, ass and cock)? The straight cock you could bag!

R77 None.

I remember Steven Ira (Beatty and benings kid) wrote some essay referring to himself as a gay dude without a cock. So he’s transgender FTM but attracted to men.

In the OP, Chaz looks a bit like Elon Musk to me. When I searched for an Elon Musk picture that looked like Chaz, I was struck by how FtM Elon looks in many pictures.

The one I've linked isn't even that transy, the best ones were from Sun and DM which, of course, don't link very well here.

R69 Well, certainly not in Chaz's case, as women were always his fancy. These threads with questions such as "would you..." seem rather like troll-bait, as they're never ever geared to an FTM who likes or is looking to attract men. These questions are rather childish and somewhat disrespectful IMHO.

Would we hold up lesbians for a poll, and ask posters if the gay men would "do" them. There's something very fucking arrogant about it all, and I find that's wrong.

It's also odd simply because no penis from a gay man's perspective is a tragic shortcoming. No amount of looking good, or butch, or groovy sideburns will ever change that. I wish the creators of such threads could sublimate their interest in trans people into better thread topics.

R72 Because it's not about their sexuality it's about their gender. They're transitioning because they feel like they're in the wrong body not because they're trying to identify as straight or gay.

R82 I think we're both wasting gas trying to kindly explain things to trolls here. They don't make sense at all. The one I replied to calls Chaz a "Gay Man", whilst yours doesn't believe MTFs aren't "gay".... even though they like women.... It's useless/pointless really.

I will happily fuck a tranny pussy but not a fat person like Chaz and no tragic tattoos.

R84 Good on you mate; you're EXTREMELY versatile or heteroflexible.... Just make sure you're clear on whether "tranny pussy" wants dick or not. I think it's the minority who transition who wish to attract men... regardless of your orientation.

R85 when one meets them in a bar or a bath one can be certain of the fact they want dick.

R86 I never did ask what sort of places you hang, but OK. My advice was not to be too sure of one's self is all. Perhaps they'd be flattered nonetheless if you're a gentleman, I wouldn't know either really. It's just safe to assume this is rare, outside pron. More than two-thirds of MTFs live their lives as lesbians, and I've read though not as high, most FTMs are also attracted to the ladies.

Haha the cuntless wonder tranny's have arrived.

Mental drool everywhere. Such bullshit they talk.

Regarding the front hole, which is a pass for most gay men (except a few represented on TV to seem all inclusive), if I ever went there, I’m sure the fact that the dude still gets his period, ovulates, and can get pregnant would be a deterrent

I dont't know what world R87 lives in but Grindr is filled with FTM's.

Birth control R89. I had a vasectomy.

R90 I live in the real world. I've read the journals. Until I met my partner earlier this summer, I used GRINDR often, and never came across any. Lots of younger lads looking for older blokes, yet no FTMs unless they wete running stealth. Whyever the fuck people turn so fast on these threads is very telling: your experience is somehow different to mine? Then I proclaim you don't live in the same world!

If youndig them, gomfuck as many as you can! Follow your bliss and all that good stuff. I'm not anti-trans, I just think the majority of posters on this thread are trolls. If you can't see that, then you're more myopic than me.

^Sorry, no clue how the formatting allowed for that... If you dig them, go fuck as many as you can mate!

Why would I want to get a vasectomy just so that an FTM could get her rocks off and still bleed all over my sheets? You totally missed my point, r90, which was considerably more crass than a heteronormative concern about pregnancy.

You probably don't live in the same world. I am guessing you live in the US?

Not the same world, the same planet, but barely.

[quote]FTMs look much better than MTFs

I dunno, maybe on average, but there are convincing and unconvincing ones on both sides. I think for instance this MTF looks pretty good.

R12: Baptiste is a good show. A lot of plot twists.

R13: The trans character passed well enough. . .until she spoke. As is often the case with MTFs, the voice gives them away.

Best of luck to Chaz. Hope he finds happiness with a compatible partner.

R96 Spoilers - She won't.

R83 Indeed, and I appreciate your posts. I figure it's worth a shot for anyone else who's paying attention.

R96

Chaz has been in a longterm relationship with Shera Blue.

No I like cock

R94 Yes, I do live in the States, but not American... It doesn't matter much where anyone lives, it's the adversarial tone that these threads always bring out in people. I happen to read a lot of medical journals, and hold a scientific degree. What I claim to have read in these journals is real information I'm sharing... I have no horse in this race...Simply stating the statistics

It's a reality the trolls don't like to hear, as the myth they cling to is The MTFs are all gay men, even if they have been attracted to women previously, and after transitioning. These same trolls here are trying to say Chaz wants to be a "gay man" though he dates women exclusively. No change in his attraction to the ladies. Do you see where I'm coming from, despite your deluge of FTMs hot on your dick on GRINDR?

Cheers R98, likewise.

He looks butter cow.

R99 She is in a relationship with a character from She-Ra?

R101 I don't think any gay man on DL thinks these trannys are gay men. I have never seen that posted. Most of them seem to become lesbians. Most of them keep their cocks.

The T has to be included in our rainbow coalition, if nothing else because a T was at some point, or is about to become gay/lesbian, do they were/will be part of a similarly marginalized group regardless of gender vs sexuality. Think about this before you explode with a trigger reaction. It’s the truth.

That said, no vaginas for me (a gay man). All the best to every FTM out there and full support for their self-fulfillment. Peace but definitely out.

R106 No. We don't have to include them. Ever.

R105 Then you simply missed R69. Please read carefully... He believe some consider themselves gay men. It's been stated on these threads many times in the past four years. Granted, there are a few in gay pron, but that certainly could account for outliers, just as the bloke upthread who seems to meet them at the baths, gay bars, and GRINDR (if I'm inclined to believe). Those would be anecdotal accounts.

If you've missed all the other posts over the years, wherein MTFs are deemed gay, but cannot accept it, so they transition, you've got a lot of catching up to do.

R108 One post, ONE.

And trolldar shows you have only posted on this one thread...

R106 I agree with your stance... and no merci when it comes to a vagina for my partner. I don't want the aforementioned swiss-roll version of penis either. I'd rather simply and happily play with my own if that was all that was available.

On the other hand, I would have no trouble being friends or neighbours to any trans person. I don't believe they're all mentally ill, or causing "gay erasure & extinction", as other trolls maintain.

R72 I wouldn’t know any straight men who would want to be with a transsexual woman

I know a straight transsexual who remained married to his/her wife after the transition. It was difficult for the wife though

[quote]...a T was at some point, or is about to become gay/lesbian, do they were/will be part of a similarly marginalized group regardless of gender vs sexuality.

R106 Most eloquently put.

R109 Perhaps it's because you don't favour the same threads I post in? I cannot explain why your trolldar is broken, but I'm being very middle of the road here, only sharing statistics and other trollish comments which resurface regularly on these threads. Believe what you like. I've been here long enough to know I recently unblocked you. Perhaps that has something to do with it. Ask Muriel.

&R109, one other thing, WTF are youncalling me "Loretta"? You once were IGNORED PISTER #5 out of 222 ignored posters. I noticed you responding to my remarks, so I took you off the block. If you insist using a female name to address me, and to sully my credibility as a regular DL contributor, you're going back on block.

R105 You need to re-read R72 as well before you start accusing people of being trolls. You're a bloody gaslighter.

Bottom surgery does not give you vaginas or dicks! Google pictures of it. I dare you.

It gives you horribly mutilated genitals.

Hormones and surgery make a woman a man just as much as plastic surgery makes Madonna a 20-year-old gal.

R115 Fucking tranny's.

Who the fuck blocks 222 people...

R117 Tranny's what....? You don't use an apostrophe to make a plural noun. I'm not a tranny either. A tranny from where I come from would be the automatic three speed transmission in the V8 I was complaining about earlier in the MERC 450 SLC. Sorry, but your weird little game you enjoy playing here doesn't work on me. You scream tranny at any fair-minded person who advocates for them. No, if you really read my posts, you would know I'm a gay man. Try the trolldar again now that you're off block.

R118 I did after four years of people like R117. I'm very openly Jewish, which isn't popular here either. I get many replies like his. You would block them as well.

R120 Trolldar on you.You are talking to yourself.

R121 More lies from you. You don't ssign your posts either.... Why do you like to engage in this manner? This is why you were blocked in the first place. See, every once in awhile, I log back in without signing in, and then sometimes I take people like you off block. Sometimes it's a wise choice to give someone another chance, and there are other times like now; not a very wise choice on my part.

You are just toxic and hateful. What a miserable little scamp you must be screaming "Fucking Tranny's" at anonymous posters on DL. I feel sorry for you. I feel sorry for the "tranny's" as well, and I think it's high time you've left them alone.

^ penned by R120... I'm seriously not talking to myself!

I blocked r113, and he has definitely posted, extensively, in at least 7 threads. He is not troll.

R106 Research shows that over half of all trans"women" in the West are attracted to women. You really think we should include homophobic heterosexual men like Bruce/Caitlin Jenner and James/Jennifer Boylan into our community? What do we have in common with men who date and fuck women for 50 years and then decide to put on dresses because it makes their dicks hard (autogynephilia)?

Regarding trans"men": they used to come exclusively from the lesbian ranks, but now thousands of maladjusted heterosexual women who suffer from autism are going around calling themselves "gay boys" and "twinks". Do you think we share a struggle with these girls?

Straight women ruin everything r125

They are demented animals

R125 It's ok to dress differently, however you like.

What kills me is the thought of chopping the penis and losing sexual pleasure.

R127 You are free to dress as you please as long it's not grotesque or revealing. What you don't get to do is put on a frock/cargo shorts and screech about how you are suddenly the most oppressed person in history and the entire world must do as you say.

It works two ways guys, girls and queens. Males who become women are not necassarily gay, women who become men are not necessarily lesbian.

No one has been able to explain why there’s been a dramatic increase of young females claiming to be transgender in the last few years.

I remember a few years ago when trans writer Juno Dawson wrote an article stating a lot of gay men see being gay as a consolation prize for not being women. Dawson just wrote recently that the spice girls were her “female awakening”

"If you're a "gay" man who would sleep with a hairy woman who's had her tits lopped off and calls herself "Aiden", then surprise, you're bisexual."

Oh God, can we stop it with all the 1970's labels?

Yes, “bisexual” is such an old term

“Pansexual” is more respectful and affirming

If you're going to say someone looks better now, OP. Can it be a recent photo? Not years ago. Not trying to be a jerk. These treads always make me wonder if it's someone's publicist or friend.

[quote] It works two ways guys, girls and queens. Males who become women are not necassarily gay, women who become men are not necessarily lesbian.

Those who aren’t now, were before. And they came of age through those ranks, so yes, they share a struggle with LGBs. It’s common sense.

In a separate matter, some trolls love reaching into the autogynophilia bag to discredit all trans people. Yes, autogynophilia is real and yes, I believe Jenner is guided by it, but it’s a fetish. Using Caitlyn as an example of why the T shouldn’t be included is like banning latex, masochist, or scat queens from the gay community. You may not be in agreement with their kicks, but that doesn’t make them any less trans.

And before you start invoking safety and invasion of women spaces, gay perverts do exist as well and they are certainly in male spaces, just like lesbian perverts are in female spaces and het perverts lurk in mixed spaces. They’re ALL a threat and it’s all part of what society has to deal with.

Tranny....please ^

Gay men and lesbians share nothing in common with delusional cunts who want to get their genitalia chopped off

Go your own way, and stop riding on our coattails

Most don't cut their cocks off. And ladies cannot grow a cock.

At least we can have nice things...oh wait...never mind.

Is there a test that could be given to newborn babies that would determine the correct sex? Should it be done routinely? Is it done routinely?

God no, she's actually been inside Cher's pussy

R134 You fucking idiot, the point we are making here is that this community is about being attracted TO THE SAME SEX. If you are a trans"woman" who is attracted to males or a trans"man" who is attracted to females, then yes, you would be a part of the gay community, although most of them reject it. Just because you get off to piss, shit, latex, dresses or women's periods (look up Jonathan Yaniv if you dare) does not automatically mean you belong with us. The NAMBLA debacle showed that we cannot be an unrestricted human sanctuary for all the weirdos of society.

R93 if you don’t want to read the whole thing this is the conclusion;

The initiation of low to moderate testosterone was sufficient in leading to menstrual cessation in the majority of patients by 6 months and nearly all by 1 year. There was individual variability in the time to cessation with little correlation to testosterone dose.

Amazing how you can ignore only two posters and guts this thread.

No OP, she really doesn't.

R141

Isn't it dangerous to halt menstrual periods? My sister's GYN told her her cancer increase went up if she went 3 months without a period. My sister's not trans or taking anything to halt her periods. She has irregular periods & if she goes longer than 3 months her doctor has to give her something to create a period.

I'm not gonna lie. All this vag talk is grossing me out.

Nice, you fucking asshole at r140. Comparing the trans movement to NAMBL A.

Die now.

Virtue signaler ^

R146 Care to try again but without the laughable straw man, ahem sorry, straw persxn?

My housemate just told me that her trans sister has gone back to being her cis brother.

He’s 50.

Not exactly helping the cause when people can just change their mind whenever.

If only genitals had velco.

R144 I wouldn't think so, unless time is running out on a biological clock for a woman who hopes to conceive. There are several birth control preparations which almost eliminate regular cycles. With some, I believe the ladies may only have four to six per year.

Cher is lesbo and Sonny gay so I doubt they gave Chaz a hard time.

What about this transman?

The nipples give him away r153. Also a lot of T and roids went into creating that body.

I wonder if a horny straight guy would band a FTM, knowing (s)he has a pussy.

R53 Even with that camera angle, her torso and hips look wonky. You can't fake a male bone structure.

Obviously I meant R153

I would not do him now. I hear the mother is a handful.

And lets's face it. He looks too much like his father.

R152

Troll alert.

"BANG"

(Spellcheck is the Devil)