Is there a pecking order among the west side Los Angeles enclaves?

[quote]Should Pacific Palisades be in the mix?

At this point, yes. Some very wealthy enclaves there, some of the newest priciest areas, real estate-wise.

[quote]Santa Monica?

It's in the mix, but too mixed in itself to equal some of the other names areas. North of Montana, sure.

I used to think it was Beverly Hills. Now I think it’s Bel Air. Brentwood has super nice areas - but also crapppy condos. Westwood is too condo based. Pacific Palissades is too blah upper middle class. Holmby Hills is an odd carve out that is probably up there - but the UCLA side gets mediocre.

Don’t forget Calabasas

At the very top of the pecking order are the Platinum Triangle neighborhoods of Bel-Air, Beverly Hills, and Holmby Hills.

Brentwood, Santa Monica, the Palisades, are desirable but not in the top tier. Other wealthy neighborhoods like Malibu, Palos Verdes, Calabasas/Hidden Hills, and San Marino over by Pasadena are desirable neighborhoods that lose points because they aren't "centrally located."

Good info

Westwood hasn't been top tier since the '80's.

Where did the Clampetts live?

They moved to Beverly .. hills that is.

swimming pools ... movie stars ....

Now that Beverly Hills has moved inland since the '90s does it still have a yacht club?

[quote]Pacific Palissades is too blah upper middle class.

The section that's Brentwood-adjacent, north of Sunset and the Riviera isn't. That has some of the priciest homes and best estates in the area.

R7, The Clampett's lived at 518 Crestview Drive, BH, a non-existent address*. The actual mansion used for exterior shots is in Bel-Air, so Bel-Air it is then.

*There is a Crest View Drive up in the Wonderland area of the Hollywood Hills, but that's a totally different scene.

Calabasas is the top tier now, it eclipsed Beverly HIlls

I would put Calabasas and Malibu at the top and then just move east. The more inland you get, the smoggier it gets, so for me Brentwood and Bel Air surpass Beverly Hills.

Calabasas is trash.

I didn't think to include Malibu - originally, I was just asking about the inland enclaves, but posed the questions about Pacific Palisades and Santa Monica out of curiosity, Are there big estates in Malibu - all I ever see depicted is the homes with incredible views close to the ocean, but which are right on top each other - which probably doesn't matter since the point if Malibu is the ocean and the views.

What about Trousdale Estates? Is that technically Beverly Hills?

Here is David Foster’s former Malibu estate.

Oh, wow, R17.

Trousdale is Beverly Hills

Dropping Trousdale is in WeHo.

Holmby is the one you want

[quote] The Clampett's lived at 518 Crestview Drive

The Clampett's what, dear?

If you're going to mention San Marino, you have to include Bradbury.

Yup. Holmby Hills/Rancho Park is the place. Used to work there.

R22, their dog, sweetheart.

What is the Wonderland area like?

The “Bird” streets north of Sunset in WeHo have become some of the priciest in LA, a super celebrity enclave. And this THR article is from 2011. It has since become exponentially more expensive.

R26, like all of the Hollywood Hills, Wonderland is hideously expensive but not very special. at one point it was just another upper middle class neighborhood of ranch homes. Now it’s expensive but mostly - meh.

Here’s Property Shark’s interactive map:

I didn't realize that Harvard-Westlake and the Playboy Mansion are in Holmby Hills. Then again, I had never really heard HH before someone posted that one Kylie Jenner bought a home there.

Aside from Beverly Hills which is it's own city, do these enclaves really feel different - like you can tell when you're moving from one to the other? They're all wealthy spots within very close range of each other and all in the city of Los Angeles.

Malibu, Santa Monica, and West Hollywood are their own cities as well.

One rich area near Century City that slips under the radar is Cheviot Hills.

R30, Harvard-Westlake has two campuses. The middle school is in Holmby Hills, off of N. Beverly Glen Blvd, while the upper school is in Studio City, off of Coldwater Canyon.

Above Sunset the only things that tell you where Beverly Hills ends and Holmby Hills or Bel-Air begins are the city limits signs and the gates at Bel-Air. These communities look and feel similar. The Flats, however, is different. The streets are wide and form grid patterns, the huge mansions are lined up in a row. And south of Santa Monica is downtown Beverly Hills, which is pretty recognizable from countless movies and tv shows.

Holmby Hills has never seemed like a distinct neighborhood to me - melds with Beverly Hills and Bel Air. Until Candy Speliing and Aaron built that huge house, I was largely unaware that area had a different name. Always considered the Playboy Mansion Beverly Hills..

The last few trips to LA I’ve spent some time in the park there across from Spelling Manor - a weird park that doesn’t really serve a purpose except dog walking. But seemingly not for locals - most appeared to drive there, park and then walk their dogs. LA is such a weird “city”.

Those shitty neighborhoods have million dollar houses! The good ones have 5 million+ dollar houses! There’s a difference between driving a BMW and an Aston Martin! I want everyone to know it!

R35 Yeah in LA BMWs are a dime a dozen. Now a Bentley, a Maybach or a Rolls, those are exclusive. If you can drop $250K+ on a car, you ain’t doing too bad.

Calabasas is bland, bland, bland. No wonder it's housed Bieber/Britney/Selena/Kartrash. Where the pseudo-elite bleat.

While most think that there’s just Beverly Hills, there’s actually two. Beverly Hills proper a city with its own police dept. and BHPO which stands for Beverly Hills Post Office. BHPO is the land above BH proper and it is under the jurisdiction of the LAPD and therefore not as reliable as BHPD. From Wiki:

The identification of the section with Beverly Hills did not begin until the 1960s. "When Beverly Hills was incorporated in 1914, the northern border was roughly a mile north of Sunset Boulevard, with the exception of Trousdale Estates. The remaining section stretching north to Mulholland Drive was left as part of the hills of Los Angeles, where it remained anonymous for decades." In 1963, the area was included within the 90210 ZIP Code, which also covers the northern part of Beverly Hills but used LA’s post office, hence the name.

I was once told be a BH socialite that the police in BH proper had a response time close to two minutes, but the LAPD can be up to 5-7 minutes or more if it’s during rush hour or there’s a fire or other calamity. The truly rich stay in BH proper. But also many now have their security units now, so living up in BHPO is not that big of a problem.

Here’s a little anecdote, I once worked for a Saudi prince, but not just any prince but an actual HRH, the prince’s father was brother to the then sitting king. Anyway, hIs mother a dowager Princes lived in Ton an enormous estate in Trousdale. Upon entering the estate there was an actual police substation with 7 to 9 armed police officers (both BH and LAPD) guarding the estate 24/7. That is how fucking rich the top notch of the Saudi royal family live. Crazy rich.

Sorry for typos and such, typing on a phone sucks.

Saudis are a whole different class and HRH I believe diplomatic immunity? (I could be wrong) hence their own police.

Try as they might to be considered separate, Calabasas is part of the Valley -- not generally considered the westside.

I don’t get Calabassas. Barely even LA. Maybe get more land - but why not just go to Malibu and get a view of the ocean as well? Blah.

Is Mulholland paved all the way through to Woodland Hills-Calabasis? I lived behind the golf course, south of blvd 30 years ago and Mulholland was dirt road at that time. Mulholland drive would at least be a more interesting drive rather than the freeway through the valley.

My takeaway is that there's no consistent pecking order. People simply have their preferences if they have the money to live in any of these communities.

Atrocious traffic. Soccer moms who will mow your ass down with their SUVs and then drag your lifeless carcass for miles on their way to pick up their kids from private school.

I personally think most of Beverly Hills is overrated and a lot of the homes don’t look like anything special and the few areas that are impressive are mostly hidden behind walls, hedges and trees. And when they tear down the old homes and put mega mansions on those tiny lots it looks ridiculous. They have practically no yard because the house takes up nearly the entire lot.

What about Manhattan Beach?

LA real estate agent drives down Mapleton Drive in Holmby Hills

R42, Dirt Mulholland stretches from Encino to Woodland Hills, then becomes paved again from Woodland Hills, around Topanga Cyn Blvd, to Calabasas, where it becomes Valley Circle Blvd.

R47 I love his videos. He does a good job of describing and pointing out the highlights of different neighborhoods when he drives through the different parts of LA.

What R43 said.

Really depends on what you are looking for -- a kid-friendly neighborhood, a party pad or a place to entertain.

BH is very Persian now, all the younger wealthy American Jewish families don't want to live there anymore, they'd rather be in Brentwood, the Palisades or Santa Monica and send their kids to private school.

But if you're older and don't have kids to worry about, BH is convenient and has great houses.

And if you're younger and single you may prefer Bird Streets or even parts of Los Feliz.

R50 is a good summary. I’ve always loved Bel Air. The one area that I always visit when in LA. It is the epitome of what defines LA for me - obscenely wealthy, beautiful, private and exclusive. I alway tell first time visitors to drive through Bel Air. More important than most tourist sites in understanding what LA is all about.

Brentwood is now considered more desirable than Beverly Hills.

Scooter Braun is buying up an entire street in Brentwood along with his billionaire father-in-law. He just bought John Travolta and Kelly Preston's house and Stacey Snider's house, who's CEO of 20th Century Fox.

You can't compare Malibu to other neighborhoods because it's on the ocean. If you want to be on the water, like Barbra Streisand or Julia Roberts, then it's obviously the only place to be.

While watching Dirty John on Netflix I got curious about Balboa Island(?). Loved the canals and the houses. Is that just a enclave of LA?

I think it's an enclave of Newport Beach.

[quote] What about Manhattan Beach?

Many of the houses abutting the beach are amazing. Mileage varies because of a wide contrast of architectural styles -- I didn't realize how unusual this was until an east coast friend visited and said, wow, people are really allowed to build a wide variety of homes right next to each other.

Where does Hancock Park fit into all this?

Hancock Park/Larchmont is nice but not part of the Westside.

PP seems more like old money to me. Hancock Park - while not part of the westside - is my favorite LA neighborhood. It makes me feel like I’m back in the Golden Age of Hollywood.

What about Reseda?

Calabasas should just annex the unincorporated Santa Monica Mountains so they can claim to be "Malibu-adjacent."

[quote] What about Reseda?

You can still get an apartment complex with a pool and be biking distance from a karate studio.

Y ou just can't beat West Covina!

Venice is a scrappy up and comer...I used to visit my friends off of Rose St about 20 years ago, and whenever I went to my car, they would accompany me, because you would hear gunshots all the time. Now it's gentrifying at an alarming rate.

Isn't there a proposal to rename Calabasas "Kobe Downs"?

I prefer El Segundo myself.

Of the top three: Holmby Hills, Bel-Air and Beverly Hills, how would you rank them as one, two and three?

R39, HRH does get diplomatic immunity and special security. The prince i worked for when not flying in his family’s personal jet and flew commercial, there would be a battalion of LAPD at LAX waiting at the gate to escort him and his family out of the airport due to terrorist concerns.

I don't think of Calabasas as part of the Valley. To me, the Valley ends at Woodland Hills. The Valley Circle exit off the 101, and where Ventura Blvd. ends.

I've never understood the far western portion of Bel Air. Rupert Murdoch, Kim and Kanye and Kathy Griffin live over there. Murdoch owns an entire vineyard, but the neighborhood only has one entrance, only accessible via Sepulvada and not Sunset. It doesn't seem that desirable, but it's gated. If I lived in Bel Air, I'd want Sunset access.

The smart money is betting on Barstow.

OF the three Bev Hills, HH, and Bel Air - I would say Holmby is the top of the pecking order.

[quote]If I lived in Bel Air, I'd want Sunset access.

Take it from me and go for the gated community

Manhattan Beach is in the South Bay, Los Angeles. IMO, not really that comparable to the neighborhoods mentioned at OP.

Is Beverly Glen a thing? I listed it in the OP, but no one has mentioned it at all. Is it not really seen as it's own separate area? It's on the map.

Is there a waiting list to get into this building that was built by - no pun intended - The Carpenters?

Godawful at $32M

It often really depends on the type of house or property you want.

Pacific Palisades has large, flat, half acre lots and they are expensive. We're talking at least twice the price of a comparable lot in Brentwood. The half acre lot in Pacific Palisades is $18 million. In Brentwood it's $8 million. In Beverly Hills it's $10-12 million. The same half acre lot in Holmby Hills is $25 million. Bel Air doesn't really have flat half acre lots.

If you're talking hillside modern houses, it's another list entirely.

R69, You can reach Moraga Vineyards via Bellagio Drive, which winds through Bel-Air and onto Sunset. It's a longer route, but might be the best option when Sepulveda is backed up.

R74, Beverly Glen has nice homes, but that whole area gets busy with commuters coming from the Valley to Beverly Hills, Century City, Westwood, etc., and vice versa. I used to drive through there to avoid the 405 and the Sepulveda Pass during rainy days, and the two main thoroughfares, N. Beverly Glen Blvd and Benedict Canyon Drive, would get equally congested during rush hour.

R77 is a good addendum to R50

The weather in LA is nice, but there are too many drive by shootings and car jackings.

People usually buy in some proximity to where they work. An extra three or 4 miles across West LA could take up to 30 extra minutes in traffic. Maybe more.

I think the only people who give a shit about these things are real estate agents and people currently looking to buy.

I couldn't live in LA, it's way to loud fast and there's way to many people there from around the world. You don't know who the hell your living around.

You guys can have it.

What section is the Jack Warner estate in? David Geffen bought it & renovated it. It is stunningly extravagant. The grounds remind me of the amazing grounds found in European castles.

R59 Reseda is part of The Valley where that slut Brooke Logan is from.

Sunset people....doing it right, night after night.

I heard that somewhere and it always stayed with me.

Calabasas is Pumpkinville.

And it's not part of the Westside.

r78, I don't know how anyone lives on Beverly Glen. It always seems lined with "For Sale" signs and I'm sure it's a tough sell. It really does become a parking lot if there are any issues whatsoever with the 405. It's the "shortcut" between the Westside and the Valley that everyone knows about.

Isn't Calabasas where Jeffree Star bought a house?

R83, that's in Beverly Hills, bordering Holmby Hills, off of Benedict Canyon. It is now owned by Jeff Bezos, who bought it from Geffen for $165 million.

Even if you win the pecking order, you're still a pecker.

I think of Holmby “Hills” as flat. Great big houses. But I would definitely prefer the hills with views. I guess the sacrifice is less accessible. Bel Air or the hills of Beverly are the best IMO.

Holmby Hills is where the Playbody mansion is located, as well as the old Aaron Spelling estate, and Johnny Depp lived there a few years ago. Lee Grant has a $40 million mansion there too.

R92 Lee Grant? Where the f did she get that kind of money?

From Shampoo, Airport '76 and The Omen II.

Most of the areas listed in the many posts above all have very exclusive areas - for instance, Oakmont Drive, a private street in Brentwood easily rivals the best streets in any part of Holmby Hills, Beverly Hills, Bel Air, etc. Same goes for the Riviera area in the Palisades. That said, taken as a whole - Holmby Hills really epitomizes what most of us think to be the "most exclusive neighborhood on earth". If that is what you are after - sell a top tier Rothko or Picasso and move there.

Am I the only one who thinks a lot of the Hollywood Hills is trashy? It looks nice from far away but once you actually go into them a lot of it really is shitty.

What neighborhood was the Roman Polanski house located where Sharon Tate was murdered?

R97, Benedict Canyon up in the Hollywood Hills?

R98 Benedict Camyon isn't part of the Hollywood Hills.

If you live in the hills of Brentwood or the Palisades - you often have amazing ocean views, while the view properties in the Bird Streets (Hollywood Hills), Trousdale (Beverly Hills) and Beverly Hills Post Office have skylilne views towards downtown. Bel Air would depend on the property - but even those with ocean views have to look over the 405. Of course you have some gorgeous golf courses in there as well (Bel-Air Country Club and Riviera Country Club to name a couple). It really comes down to what you prioritize and what parts of town you want to be more accessible to. There are so many exclusive, beautiful and elite areas of the giant (and spread out) city of LA, you could go on for days listing them.

Beverly Park is probably top of the pecking order in terms of property values and income but it's technically Los Angeles with a BHPO zip (good old 90210).

North Beverly Park has larger houses so is generally viewed as more desirable. Both are gated communities.

But it really comes down to personal profile. Rich singles want to live in the Bird Streets. Younger families like Hancock Park (not really West Side), Brentwood and Santa Monica. As their kids get older, they tend to move further west where the schools are better. Beverly Hills, Brentwood, the Palisades and Santa Monica for public schools. The same folks might buy beach houses in Malibu or thereabouts. Once the kids are gone, they may downside to a smaller Bel Air house, a Wilshire Corridor condo, or they might move up to Santa Monica or south to Newport/Laguna or La Jolla.

R98 Benedict Canyon is part of an area called "Beverly Crest," which is an area in between Bel Air and Beverly Hills. Beverly Crest includes Benedict Canyon, Beverly Glen, Coldwater Canyon and Franklin Canyon. I hardly ever hear anyone use this, though, since people who live within the area generally refer to the name of the canyon that they live as their more specific neighborhood. - jmho

This article gives some more specific information relevant to the topic:

My brother has lived in PP since the early 90s and he loves it. He and wife bought a simple two bedroom one bath house and did a tear down to four bedrooms, two stories, three baths. The back yard is dominated by black bottom swimming pool that has seen better days with a cascading jacuzzi. His wife has no interest at all in relocating, so they are there for good. They are slowly becoming empty nesters; four girls and only two live there now. Actually three; one of them was just starting at U of Colorado but came back due to the pandemic.

They live just two blocks up from Palisades Village, the new shopping center developed by the same company that did The Grove, which was a mega-success from the start. The local's take on the new village has been not-so-great. They say it's too fancy, too upscale, and it needs more mid-level shopping opportunities. For example if there were a Design Within Reach there, they'd rather it be a Crate & Barrel or a CB2. And those who live directly across the street have to deal with late night live music wafting into their living rooms or bedrooms at times.

'Benedict Canyon' sounds like the name of a hero in a '70s TV show.

I have two very successful friends who, when they got flush with money bought houses in Doheny Estates (above the bird streets), and whatever the area is called around Franklin by the park. When they got their second flush of money, the Doheny guy moved to Bel Air (he's sort of on James Cameron's trajectory) and the Franklin guy (super hipster) moved to Los Feliz in one of the old 20's mansions. Franklin guy would never be caught living in the conventionally successful aread.

R63, Venice has been "gentrifying" for the past 35 years. Yet it's still crime-ridden.

Wow, thanks for that R104. Now I can sleep tonight.

How about a pecking order among the top tier LA/BH/SM hotels? I’ve stayed at so many and I kind of have my opinions but I’d be interested to hear other’s thoughts.

What about the Wilshire/Vermont area? Koreatown??

R110, that area is most decidedly not west LA. That's the very center of LA, much more urban.

For those of you that don’t know the LA area that well here’s a map to help you

Is Beverly Hills mostly Muslims now?

[quote] Beverly Hills, Brentwood, the Palisades and Santa Monica for public schools.

Hasn't been true since they started busing 40 some odd years ago R101

BH has good public schoolsm, though, as noted, the influx of Persians (and Persian Jews mostly R113) means BH is not as desirable for younger families as it once was. Elsewhere, people go private--some might do public elementary to show how egalitarian they are but that's it.

In terms of hotels Xennial, R109, that's a similar answer to R50 and R77 -- it depends what you want and who you are

The Beverly Hills Hotel is a very different experience than the Four Seasons and both are very different than the hipster hotels on Sunset in Hollywood. Similarly I know people who will only stay at Shutters in SM because they want to be at the beach.

Surprisingly accurate r112. They need to design a better looking map that pinpoints the actual cities, neighborhoods etc. within the LA sprawl.

Pfft I lived in the most exclusive location in SoCal - the richest part of Van Nuys!! jealous?

IMO if you are new money or showbusiness related the prime neighborhood is Holmby hills, specifically the several block area around the former playboy mansion, particularly carolwood drive. If you are old california money 4th or 5th generation which there are hardly any left...probably pasadena in a wallace neff designed/ or somebody architect similar unaltered house, probably the ultimate street is the private Los Altos drive in pasadena, or at least between the Annadale golf club and the rosebowl/ brookside golf club area .

The area the map designates as “celebrities” is a little simplistic. More “big money”. Only about 10-15% tops “celebrities”. But the area they designate as “celebrities” is the most “LA” prototype neighborhoods - super rich and fabulous.

That map made my day R112 (I'm easy)

"Botoxed cougars in luxury condos" is such a perfect explanation of the strip of Wilshire and "average-sized homes that cost a few million dollars" nails SaMo and Venice.

That map is pretty good.

[quote] Is Beverly Hills mostly Muslims now?

Yes, Rose. You can't shop at Rodeo Drive anymore without first submitting to the call to prayer.

Where does Encino fall in the pecking order? They showed some of the streets on the RHOBH last week and it looked very middle-class.

[quote] One rich area near Century City that slips under the radar is Cheviot Hills.

Cheviot Hills is very nice and they probably wouldn't want it any other way.

Encino has some fancy sections but it's mostly for people who wanted a bigger house than they could afford on the West Side and didn't mind the perceived stigma of living in "the Valley"

Where do average middle class white families live in LA now that so much of the Valley has been taken over by Mexicans?

I alway though of Encino as middle class Valley. But have a friend who bought there and it’s super expensive. The Jackson estate is there. South of the Boulevard is hilly and can get some nice views - as well as relatively quicker access to downtown. But agree with R124 - you buy there to get more house for your money. An upper middle class version of Beverly Hills. Also lots of Persian/Jewish palaces replacing what were quaint CA ranch houses from the 50s. Love Jerry’s Deli.

R125, on the set of The Middle, at Warner Brothers Studios -- where they are experts at making middle-class, mediocre white families feel really good about themselves.

Riverside and Ventura Counties R125, if they want to be surrounded by similar folks.

In case you hadn't noticed, there's not really much of a middle class in the US anymore

There's the top 15%-20% pulling up the moat behind them, paying $75K/year in tuition so Zach and Zoe don't have any debt when they graduate ... and then there's everyone else.

[quote] Riverside Counties

i.e. The Valley of the Dirt People.

R125, there's also Simi Valley. It's like hell's purgatory for retired LAPD officers before they end up in such far-flung places like Barstow and Idaho.

The Valley: Northridge is fairly well-off. Parts of North Hollywood are gentrifying---I know someone who moved there to "downsize" on the way to retirement. The schools aren't great but the housing stock is in good shape and affordable.

I always loved the Owlwood Estate in Holmby Hills. Sonny & Cher lived there and then Cher lived there after the divorce.

10 acres of lush perfection. They don't make them like this anymore.

R125, Average middle class white families live in the Valley alongside Mexicans, Filipinos, Koreans, Thais, Armenians, African Americans, etc. It is a diverse region like any other middle class LA region.

[quote] Isn't Calabasas where Jeffree Star bought a house?

He bought a house in Hidden Hills which is an actual, incorporated city. The confusion is that it shares the 91302 zip code with Calabasas.

Actually, almost every "celebrity" that is known for buying or renting homes in that area was actually in Hidden Hills, not Calabasas (the Kardashians included). I can only assume that they feel more "anonymous" that way (as Hidden Hills is not all that big, but is a gated community).

Toluca Lake is very charming and elite yet accessible, has a small town feel to it for so close to the city. Studio City nearby also elite yet more affordable than the high-priced enclaves on the city side of the Hills.

First of all, everywhere in LA is far more expensive than most of the US (obviously aside from SF/Silicon valley, NYC area/Seattle.

Beverly Hills is an interesting place now that the majority of people there are Persian/Arab (and many of the Persians are Jewish). It reminds me of a more upscale Little Armenia/Glendale.

R133 I’m talking about what would today’s equivalent of the “Valley Girl”-type Valley of the 1980’s be?

[quote] [R133] I’m talking about what would today’s equivalent of the “Valley Girl”-type Valley of the 1980’s be?

They moved back to Oklahoma where they originally belong and where Dorothea Lange's grand-daughter photographs them in their natural state.

The only person I have ever heard about as living in Cheviot Hills is Michelle Phillips.

Calabasas is outside of even the Valley. It’s not really LA. Hidden Hills is practically in Agoura. These are nouveau riche landing places.

Coto de Caza is the place to be. Woohoo!

r130 Simi Valley is in Ventura County.

R143, it's also where mall bangs still reign supreme and where dreams go to die.

R141

Speaking of Agoura Hills. What's it like? I've heard it has a lot of horse people.

Simi Valley does seem to be changing somewhat. Lots of upwardly-mobile Hispanics moving in. .. And shit! They even went blue in the last congressional election and sent a democrat to Congress. Unfortunately, she was the representative caught up in the lesbian sex scandal (Katie Hill) and had to resign. We'll see what happens in the upcoming special election. The Rethugs are running a Hispanic republican.

R149 White people raising their kids in large beige-y colored homes. There's some small businesses and restaurants centered around a supermarket, and some light commercial businesses along the 101 freeway (plus a Trader Joe's), but other than that, it's where people go to sleep. The hills provide hiking and horseback riding opportunities. They're also great for fire danger.

R146, I hope you're right. I, otherwise, think of Simi Valley as the Tonya Harding of Southern California suburbs.

R148 That would seem more Santa Clarita to me .. lol!

Simi valley is filled with a bunch of racist ass white rednecks. That's also were the whole Rodney King beating incident happened back in the early 90s.

That place is hell. Filled with a bunch of ignorant dangerous Crackers.

R150 I was there this summer (don’t ask why) it’s hell and it’s total trash. And beyond desolate. Can’t even get an Uber signal there.

R151 Just as I thought.

R150, Simi Valley is also the home of the Ronald Reagan Presidential Library. Also, the section of the 118 connecting the San Fernando Valley to Simi Valley is the Ronald Reagan Freeway, so that should clue you in on what to expect when you get there.

Which is the best to find a gay sugar daddy?

R72 but that gated community is literally a few blocks from LA’s busiest freeway, the monstrous 405. I’m sure the roar from the freeway is almost 24/7. I worked on a house there and the noise was so annoying. And other than the Murdoch, the other homes are ho hum. We used to joke it was the slum of Bel Air.

R153 I see, and I'm not surprised. Dare I say Reagan helped to get us Trump.

[quote] That's also were the whole Rodney King beating incident happened back in the early 90s.

No it isn't, you moron. It's where the TRIAL took place. The beating happened on the 210 Freeway in the Lakeview Terrace neighborhood of Los Angeles. Why would the LAPD be involved in a beating in a city in Ventura County?

Didn't LVP and Adrienne Maloof live in Beverly Park? Those houses are mega size.

R157 I'm not a moron just because I got a fact wrong, asshole. That's what I heard, I'm not from LA so I don't know.

Dumbass.

Cheviot Hills is very Jewish. Nice countries clubs and tree lined streets.

My cousin once lived in Laurel Canyon at the bottom of a very steep hill, her house was a 2 bedroom, kind of rustic and had no garage, just a car port. Her bedroom was in the front of the house and she always was afraid someone was going to come down that hill and plow into her bedroom. She was living with a guy from The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band.

Simi Valley and Thousand Oaks are communities where a lot of my school friends' families moved to during the '80s and '90s when the school busing and the influx of immigrants to the San Fernando Valley were happening, aka white flight. Not surprisingly these two communities were where many of LA's finest, the LAPD & the County Sheriffs resided. That may have changed since those agencies have been actively recruiting a more diverse group of people since the 2000s.

R149, I feel a little bit bad for trashing Simi Valley, but yes, I do think Santa Clarita may be worse, and Lancaster trumps both.

What counties went for Trump in 2016?

R163, California counties? The rural ones with very small populations mainly in the east and northern parts of the state.

All of So CA voted for Clinton. Even formerly white and conservative Orange County when for Hillary, as it is no longer so white and conservative.

Fresno county and the little impoverished counties in the far north east are the only republican bastions in CA.

There are lots of repukes in the Central Valley and they migrate to the coast around San Luis Obispo. Lots of crabby conservatives in those parts.

Santa Clarita is where a lot of the "blue collar" film workers live.

r165 Fresno county voted for Clinton.

R168, Fresno is definitely not considered part of Southern California.

Nobody said it was, R169.

R168 That is correct. Fresno county is now a majority non white county, with Hispanics/Latinx comprising over 50 % of the population. Due to this, it now swings Democratic.

[quote]What about Reseda?

There’s a freeway, runnin’ through the yard!

Let’s face it, Calabasas is only on people’s radar because Pimp Momma Kris put it there.

The Clampett's street name was created by using Beverly Hills's telephone exchange - CRestview.

The actual epicenter of the 1994 Northridge Earthquake turned out to be in Reseda.

So they dodged that bullet.

Calabasas and Westlake Village are not part of the LA school district and so a lot of upper middle class people live there to take advantage of the public schools and to get a much bigger house than they could in a Cheviot Hills or Santa Monica

The celebrity thing is fairly recent and it's because they can get compound-size houses out there

I live in Cheviot and it's not Jewish. The home prices are ridiculous and lots of white, Asian and even African American families have moved in. The only group that won't go near us is the Persians who feel anything below Santa Monica Blvd. is déclassé. There are several celebrities in the hood, but more execs. CAA agents, Cable presidents, Ad execs, etc. Former Governor Pete Wilson lives here (barf, but he and his wife are nice) and former NBA coach Rudy Tomjonovich, the one who got smacked in the face by Kermit Washington. NBA's Paul Pierce lives here and loves it so much that he bought two houses for his mom here. Overall, it's a fantastic neighborhood for people who just want to live a quiet, upper middle class life. Although with new home prices going into the 6-7 million with small yards, you have to start wondering what exactly is upper middle class.

Westwood is known as Little Persia.

I've always thought that if you work on the west side of LA and can swing living there too, that's a pretty sweet life.

You can take side streets to work in about 20 minutes and you get to live in a fairly spacious suburban style house with a yard and possibly a pool while still being in the center of one of the largest cities.

The trade off is that the west side feels like a giant Scarsdale, like everyone's just living and working in the suburbs only there's no actual city.

I knew a woman who owned a small stucco house on Butterfield Road in Cheviot Hills in the 60s. How is that area now?

R180, Butterfield is something of a pass through for traffic and not the most desirable street but teardowns still go for upwards of 2 million because of lot size. The former producer of Americas Next Top Model, Ken Mok, built a super cool three story modern on Butterfield and sold it for about 3 million and that was about a decade ago.

In Cheviot, you're within walking distance to Fox and a short car ride to Sony. It's not as convenient if you work in the Valley but you're also not as isolated as in Brentwood or Palisades.

[quote]What about Reseda?

[quote]There’s a freeway, runnin’ through the yard!

In reality, there is no freeway running through Reseda. The closest are the 101, to the south in Tarzana, and the 405 to the east in Van Nuys/Lake Balboa.

Several years back, a portion of Reseda broke away and formed Reseda Ranch. The reason being that Reseda Ranch has a number of half-acre and one-acre lot homes zoned for large animals, so they've designated the neighborhood as agricultural in order to avoid the uniform development of tract homes.

This reminds me that, just because "Sepulveda" changed its name to "North Hills" doesn't mean there aren't hookers still out on the boulevard.

R183, And, there are no hills in North Hills. The hills are in Mission Hills. Similarly, the lake in Lake Balboa is in neighboring Encino. And the forest in Sherwood Forest are just a smattering of trees. That doesn't make it a forest.

R184 Right. It's so funny. When they made that change it was like, where the fuck are the hills!? .. And Sherwood Forest? .. LOL! I wasn't sure that was fore real. But now I see that it is.

In the 70s and 80s I sold my art in LA, stayed with and visited place in a lot of those towns. Had a lover in the Hollywood Hills, spent a lot of time in Malibu, had a friend who grew up in the Beverly Hills flats. Stayed with a friend off Sunset in West Hollywood, lived in Pacific Palisades for a while. Great memories. Last time I was there a few years ago on a mission to visit as many galleries I could. The galleries are great, the traffic was horrendous.

[quote]Also, the section of the 118 connecting the San Fernando Valley to Simi Valley is the Ronald Reagan Freeway, so that should clue you in on what to expect when you get there.

The Nancy Reagan Casket Dance Studio?

Malibu if it's Colony Beach, and BH Gateway. I'm partial to close-to-ocean spots but nothing apt to be eaten by climate change.

But I'd rather have a place in Presidio Heights or Sea Cliff in SF and stay in a good hotel in LA. It's much cheaper and no one today needs the space in the prime BH places.

I used to think Chatsworth must be fabulous because of the awesome Sinatra house there. No.

Later I found out Lucy and Desi had a ranch there before they made it to Beverly Hills.

Geezer R186 again. I remember staying in Venice Beach in the late 60s. Stayed with friends in an apartment building when the swinging sixties were in full force. A young mother visited our place smoking a joint the size of a cigar and carrying a jug of Ripple. She took so many drugs while pregnant (they said) that her baby was born a hermaphrodite. They started him as a female, switched her to male, then back to female, thinking the kid would better adapt. I wonder whatever happened to that kid. In another unit a young woman lived with her two lovers. They were busted by mistake when the cops came looking for drugs and were apparently disgusted to learn she was there with two boyfriends.

My friends place was revolving door of assignations. We pick up a friend, a young woman, from her ranch house in a swanky neighborhood and her father came out yelling, trying to stop her from coming with us. I found out later when she was at our place when her occasional lover came by and dragged her into the bedroom. He looked like a Charlie Manson type hippy and apparently had lots of girlfriends. He stayed a while but didn't spend the night. Good times.

R188

I'm with you. I adore the Sea Cliff area in San Francisco. I always said if I ever hit the Lotto I'm buying a place in Sea Cliff with a gorgeous view of the water and also buying a cottage in Carmel.

Chatsworth? Omg, that is prime Valley. It’s where most CA porn is shot. Desolate and awful.

How tough is it to get from Sea Cliff to the parts of SF you'd want to be in or even Silicon Valley?

Or are you thinking you'd be retired and it doesn't much matter?

When one doesn't know, one sees this Sinatra house and assumes Chatsworth is the place to be.

Chatsworth is a horsey area, with multiple stables and trails to ride. That is a huge appeal to this area.

I grew up in a family with some horsey people. We lived in La Canada for a while due to the "horse scene" there.

There are so many wealthy areas in LA. It always shocks me how much money is there. Crappy little bungalows are millions. Where does all the money come from? It’s crazy.

I'd rather have an ocean view house in Laguna Beach. My ex had a gorgeous place there that would have cost $10 million in Pacific Palisades or Malibu. The beaches are nicer and it has a small town feel. It's so easy and fun to drive up to LA for a night out. Laguna was the best of all worlds.

Laguna Beach is where I realized I did not like to be the fuck[italic]er[/italic] , and that if I were going to engage in anal sex, I would have to be the fuck[italic]ee[/italic]. I couldn't stand the squishing sound as my cock plunged into this guy's ass. He was a perfectly nice man I'd met at the Mine Shaft, and then went to visit when I moved to LA.

I didn't really want to be the fuck[italic]ee[/italic], though, either. I'd gotten a case of anal warts, and called the entire anal thing off. I believe it may have saved my life, so no regrets.

I certainly wouldn't have minded living in Laguna, though, r197.

r198, lay off the mimosas.

This reminds me of an old Beverly Hillbillies episode when Mrs. Drysdale came over to the Clampetts collecting for her charity to help the underprivileged and Jed says to her, " Underprivileged in Beverly Hills?" To which Mrs Drysdale responds, "Oh no, Brentwood, those poor people need all the help we can give them"

There was a lot of good subtle snark on that show

What is it about Brentwood? OJ killed Nicole there, Joan abused Christina there and Marilyn killed herself there. Is there something in the water?

R197 - Laguna is easily the same price point as Malibu or the Palisades. The OC area is just far more boring and much further away from city amenities (LA or San Diego). The beaches are drop dead gorgeous for sure however.

R197 Laguna Beach used to be an artsy, slightly bohemian and lovely enclave. However, it lost its charm beginning 2 decades ago.

Laguna Beach and Key West are very similar in that regard.

Even though it's not west LA, Rancho Palos Verdes is where it's at.

Even though it's not west LA, Rancho Palos Verdes is where it's at.

Rancho Palos Verdes is slipping off the cliffs. Doomed due to climate change. It's best not to live perched on fragile cliffs as the sea levels rise. The beach there is being decimated.

It also sits smack on top a major fault line.

[quote]In the 70s and 80s I sold my art in LA, stayed with and visited place in a lot of those towns. Had a lover in the Hollywood Hills, spent a lot of time in Malibu, had a friend who grew up in the Beverly Hills flats. Stayed with a friend off Sunset in West Hollywood, lived in Pacific Palisades for a while. Great memories.

But have you ever been to me?

r139 is how I have always pictured Jackie On Assistance, just so you know.

Palos Verdes seemed like THE upper middle class suburb in the 80s. Knew a lot of kids in my ivy class from there. Seems to have slipped off the chart - as R206 points out. Never understood why house in OC sold for so much. So far away from the center of LA. Where do they make money? Other than selling houses to each other.

Palos Verdes is not in OC, but in LA County.

I love the LA threads

All I know about Palos Verdes is that Pete Sampras grew up the area.

Actually, Westwood is derisively called "Tehrangeles"

There are actually four communities on the peninsula: Palos Verdes Estates, Rancho Palos Verdes, Rolling Hills, and Rolling Hills Estates.

El Segundo used to be a great place for the middle class, until the city changed its name to El Segundo beach and Sepulveda Ave to PCH, to raise the property values.

Culver City was also middle class, until all the online streaming companies bought land for their studios.

Remember when living in Marina Del Rey was desirable?

I think the only people who lived in Marina Del Rey were straight swinging singles, or at least people (mainly men) who claimed they were single.

Yep back in the day Marina D R was for singles, with a plethora of bar/restaurants and such.

Is Thousand Oaks considered LA? If so, is that a nice place to live?

When I was in high school, Westwood Village was THE place to be on the weekend. Great food, first run movies, Tower Records. You ran into everyone you knew on the street. It was so fun and exciting, yet so very LA. It's a ghost town today. The powerful Westwood Homeowners Association have made it impossible to have a nightlife. They've all migrated to Century City Mall, The Grove, Third Street Promenade, etc.

Thousand Oaks is absolutely not LA. That could be a good thing for some people.

And if you work in Los Angeles the commute back and forth from the Thousand Oaks area can be really bad.

What is Marina Del Rey like now?

I was under the impression that all those swingers had just gotten older and retired and that it's like Boca Raton West in every sense.

OTOH, it's close to Venice and to all the new tech companies in Playa

R219, I was a teenager at UCLA in the late 70s and early 80s. On weekends it was more about going to the clubs on or near Sunset in West/Hollywood. Restaurants and Tower Records in Westwood were good during the week, along with morning runs in Bel Air. Often we'd get filmmakers showing their stuff first at Melnitz Hall before premiering. Culver City, Venice, a Vermont downtown highrise, and Benedict Canyon were where I stayed. It all must have changed quite a bit.

R222 According to 2010 census data, not much has changed for MDR.

About 8,300 in population, 80% white, average household size is 1.5 with "percentages of divorced males, never married females, and divorced females among the county's highest."

Except R224, they are all older. Young singles can't afford MDR anymore.

R225 I didn't put anything about age, because it appears that in the last 20 years, the median age has only risen from 38 to 38.5. (Rather surprising to me.)

One might expect that most of the males are over 38 and most of the females are under 38 .. lol.

Florence Henderson was the only person I'd ever heard of living in Marina del Rey

Marina Del Rey sounds like the setting of the plot from some 70s detective show.

What is the Wilshire Corridor?

MacArther Park/Museum Row into Westwood and then ends at the West LA VA/Brentwood.

R230, Miracle Mile is in there somewhere, in the LACMA area.

I thought the Wilshire Corridor referred to that stretch of highrises between Beverly Hills and Westwood.

It is R232

Fortunately there is Google which provides us with definitions and maps

Where’s Liza’s high rise?

It used to be if you were priced out of Marina del Rey, you moved to neighboring Playa del Rey, where singles and young families found affordable housing. But now housing there is pretty steep. Further inland in Del Rey, Mar Vista, Playa Vista and Westchester really aren't that much cheaper.

Which is the seediest part of Hollywood?

Is La Canada flintridge still considered a nice place to live? A friend was a bio teacher at the jrsr high school and spoke highly of the area and school system. She's now retired and lives outside of Tampa, FL; still teaches, but a private school.

R236, probably the stretch of Santa Monica Blvd. from La Brea to the 101, where streetwalkers still do 'business.'

marina del rey has less than 10,000 residents. It's basically a few streets of condos along the marina.

r238 I dont think there's still prostitutes working the streets of LA anywhere. All that has moved online.

Right--but who lives in Marina now?

I can Google stats too, but hoping to hear from someone who knows first hand.

Thanks

Any property in LA County located in a city/town with the words "Playa" or "Beach" is going to be ultra expensive, as everyone wants to live by the beach.

Haven’t read entire thread but there is Beverlywood — just continue down Beverly Drive past Pico.... Monte Mar, etc... then you reach the infamous “Circle Park,” near the bus stop for Palms Jr High. Houses there are at least a million.

Travel further down Beverly Drive to National...... property has skyrocketed ... it used to be called “Beverlywood Adjacent”

Yes, R231, as I mentioned "Museum Row" which includes LACMA, the folk museum, and the La Brea Tarpits.

My boyfriend used to live in MDR and it was unfortunately rife with douchebags. His apartment building had noise issues due to incessant pool parties and mid-life crisis dudes revving their motorcycles in the parking lot. There was also constant noise emanating from the marina itself and the humans buzzing around it at all hours. Living near water seems to amplify sounds.

Since this is Datalounge R245, I will need to ask how recently this all was.

Thanks!

Well, it was 1979, r246!

[quote]El Segundo used to be a great place for the middle class, until the city changed its name to El Segundo beach and Sepulveda Ave to PCH, to raise the property values

Where did you get this nonsense from? El Segundo hasn't changed its name.

What neighborhood was the Poltergeist house in?

[quote] El Segundo used to be a great place for the middle class ...

El Segundo has never been all that "great" due to the noise from LAX. Last year, it was reportedly going to get even worse.

r249, the Poltergeist house is at 4267 Roxbury Street in Simi Valley.

Is there any cache living in the former home of a celebrity?

R252, weirdo, ghoulish Trent Reznor seemed to think there was some cachet attached to living at Sharon Tate's former home..

"El Segundo - Where the Sewers Meet the Sea."

El Segundo = The Second. Aerospace, aviation, petroleum are the top industries.

LA sounds like a shithole. The only good reason to go there, is to tour the city for all of the Hollywood Movie Industry history and to experience it for your own curiosities as well as taking in the various sites etc.

Other than that, LA is very loud noisy way to crowded and congested. Everyone wants to move there thinking their about to be the next big thing when their not. Better to go for two weeks fave fun and then bring your ass back home, because otherwise it sounds like it would be a fucking nightmare to live in a city like LA for to many reasons to list.

And this coming from someone who use to want to live there. Not anymore, I'm happy right here in my own beautiful hometown on the east coast.

LA, you guys can have it.

La Canada is known for good schools. Very suburban wealthy bland family focused. More Pasadena-like than Beverly Hills. You don’t live there for the glamour.

So many areas in LA are so overpriced. Like inland Marina Del Rey and Venice. Other than the beach, a bunch of crappy condos with a long drive to downtown / WeHo. LA needs a good real estate crash - just like NYC. Prices are way out of whack with what people can actually afford,

What about Weho itself? I've only been there on vacation to go out on the Santa Monica strip, but I stayed in a hotel right on Santa Monica, and I enjoyed walking around on the neighborhood streets during the day, It seem to be in a good location. Is it a nice place to live? I know it's not one of the wealthy enclaves that are the subject of the thread.

WeHo is a nice walkable area. Bit it’s become NYC level expensive to buy there. $1million+ for a decent 2BR condo. Used to be an affordable nice gayborhood. Now it’s like the West Village. But not high end - just expensive. North of Sunset Blvd and Sierra Tower is probably the only truly nice areas.

Where is the Ravenswood building that Mae West owned and lived in? Would it be a desirable place to live today?

Yeah, WEHO is way overpriced for what it actually is (and YES, all of LA is overpriced - but that is a given much as with any other highly desirable city). I like to visit for restaurants, bars, shopping, etc - but have no interest in ever buying there. If you have the money to spend, you would likely do better to head up the hill off of Laurel Canyon, over Mullholland to the Dona streets of Studio CIty or Toluca Lake or perhaps head east the less pricey eastern area of the Hollywood Hills. The commute isn't all that bad and the real estate is so much more appealing for the $$$.

There's always Compton. Or Watts.

Oh, dear, R256. Oh, dear.

I've wondered about La Canada Flintridge. There has to be some downside there. Huge lots(everyone has room for a large pool, full tennis court, long driveways,expansive lawns), huge houses of which plenty are fabulous.

And it's priced so low, almost lower than Pasadena and with bigger properties.

On the Judgemental Map, La Cañada Flintridge corresponds to the area tagged "J. CREW LOOKING MOFOS"

What is the "Secret Hippie Enclave" on the Judgemental Map at R112?

I love the two homosexualist notations on the Judgmental Map:

Gays

Gay guys with beards

R266, Mt. Washington. Rustic hillside bungalows and the international headquarters of the Self-Realization Fellowship give it a granola vibe.

But what is so desirable about living in LA?

What area of LA did Rachel Zoe buy a house in. I remember it from tears ago on her show because I really liked the "new" house she moved into around the time of the birth of her first son.

While we are on the subject; Whatever happened to Rachel Zoe?

La Canada Flintridge priced lower than Pasadena? I doubt it. Pasadena has a lot of rough areas. LCF is pretty much all VERY nice.

Thanks R268

I work in the film industry and live in WeHo. It's very central to almost all the studios, downtown, LAX and the beaches. WeHo is a very walkable town (I can walk to a CVS, Target, Vons, TJ's, Sprouts and if I really want to, Whole Foods), with lots of bars, yoga, exercise places, and restaurants. Depending on where I'm working, my usual commute is 15-45 minutes in the morning.

Since the pandemic started, we have an ungodly amount of people with strollers and children walking on my street, Huntley, between Santa Monica and Melrose.

r267, that map was made when the lumberjack hipster movement was happening, thus gay guys with beards.

R273, I once stayed at that Ramada on Santa Monica that's not far from your place. A meh hotel, but actually perfect for going out in West Hollywood - can walk out the front door and everything is right there. Plus Kitchen 24 downstairs. Great times.

R269 I've spent a lot of time in various parts of LA and apart from the horrible traffic it's a very special place (the good parts anyway). The colors, vibe, geographical beauty, beaches, history, culture, architecture, quirky people, creative people, many museums, shopping, entertainment. It's fabulous.

i've noticed that it used to be when people moved to L.A., they were in denial for 3 years- when you would ask them where they live, they would preface it with, "Well I used to live in....", but after 3, would say, "L.A". Basically when you realize that you can drive out of L.A. and have the beach, the desert, the forests and the mountains (I've surfed, rock climbed, snow boarded and mountaineered), you can accept living here. But now, people are happy to move here.

R274, yeah that could be a noisy spot though. In the future, check out the many boutique hotels in the area.

[quote]I've spent a lot of time in various parts of LA and apart from the horrible traffic it's a very special place (the good parts anyway). The colors, vibe, geographical beauty, beaches, history, culture, architecture, quirky people, creative people, many museums, shopping, entertainment. It's fabulous.

Agreed, R275.

Although, I wouldn’t have agreed with you when I was packing my things in Downtown Manhattan in 2011 for a move to LA.

I’ve now been on the Westside of LA for some years and have come to the conclusion that it has some of the best weather in the world. The area is one of 5 Mediterranean climes and withstanding the Marine Layer (“May Grey”/“June Gloom”), prefer it to even that of Hawaii (too wet and humid) and Western Australia (range of temps a bit more extreme than SoCal): two places I once thought idyllic.

Whilst LA is far from perfect; finding a “bubble” here on its West face provides the sea, Nature, temperate weather and many of the options you mention.

So, I guess it was meant to be that I sadly left Manhattan.

Aside from most of it being an inferno waiting to happen.

Indeed R278 or Global Warming.

However, the entire PLANET is/will be impacted.

Just like with Rona, NO place will go untouched; although some places more than others.

Remains to be seen, though, where and when these impacts will be experienced.

If there is one silver lining to the pandemic virus, perhaps it is demonstrating the reality of our planetary interconnection AND how humans have impacted (adversely) nature.

Any gay rumors about the Chinese president? Xi Jinpings for me.

r235 I know someone who bought a house in Playa less than 25 years ago. The house is worth close to 6x what they originally paid for it. Today you can get an unimpressive 2 bedroom condo nearby for the same price they paid for a 5,000 square foot house.

True, R279, though in the shorter term gauging fire risk might correlate to how difficult or expensive it is to insure California properties against fire, especially for new policies. It seems that most insurance carriers are carrying as few fire policies as they can for California, given the current state of the state. I was rudely awakened to this reality when shopping around recently for California real estate. There are still enclaves where fire risk is low or moderate, but anywhere near the mountains or desert...not so much.

Santa Monica is nouveau riche trash

One of the problems with those fires is building houses were they don't belong. I remember hearing Jamie Lee Curtis say this long ago.

She's right. And then on top of that, everyone is building these oversized huge mega mansions no one needs. So that to is playing a part in LA burning. I would lose my scenes of peace if I knew I had to deal with fires every year where my home sites. That would really bother me.

Again, glad I don't live in LA.

R264, La Cañada-Flintridge is fairly pricey suburbia with a touch or rural due to it being at the foothills of the San Gabriel Mountains. And because it has the Angeles National Forest as its backyard, residents might happen upon a brown bear swimming in their pool. It is comprised mostly single family homes as it is a very family oriented community with good public schools and low crime rate. JPL is headquarted in its eastern edge, near Altadena. It gets low marks for walkability and public transport, but the 2 and the 210 cuts right through there, so it is easily accessible by car.

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Altadena Middle School has a great music program.

[quote]Mt. Washington. Rustic hillside bungalows

This doesn't even seem like LA.

What do you think of Treehaven in Mt. Washington for close to $2.5 million(!)? Waay too much for unimpressive interiors.

R290, that's right by the Southwest Museum. Way too much, IMO. Good luck finding someone who wants to buy an 8 bedroom, 5 bath house -- unless they're looking to attract a cult.

Now this one's cute. Perched high like a treehouse. Last sold for $587K in 2003. Now estimated at $1.2 million. 2bd/2ba. 2,325 sq ft.

Jonathan and Jennifer Hart lived in Bel Air, but their house looked like it was a ranch in the country. Is that what it was like in 1980?

The Hart to Hart house was actually in Brentwood:

R290 It's actually priced under the $/sq ft for the area. Plus, it's on a one-third acre lot. Land can be a lot of the price in some areas.

R291 According to the listing, it's already under contract (with a contingency).

Bel Air is the top tier

Sometimes the Harts claimed to live in Bel Air, sometimes Beverly Hills. Their address was 3100 Willow Pond on the show and it's 3100 Mandeville Canyon in real life.

R297, which is in Brentwood. Previously owned by Dick Powell and June Allyson.

r297 Ruth, zip code 90046 is West Hollywood, including Laurel Canyon.

The current owners of the Hart's Brentwood estate had a hedge fund that was forced to shut down, and they own Jackie's childhood apartment at 740 Park.

r299, it is my understanding that parts of 90046 are in West Hollywood and Beverly Hills, but it is still considered L.A., not West Hollywood.

While reading articles about last year's evacuation, I learned Kamala Harris has a house in Brentwood.

I like Bellagio Road in Bel Air. It's easy accessible and has a luxurious, Old Hollywood feel to it. The Hart's house from 9 to 5 is at 10431 Bellagio Road. The house is closer to the street than the movie suggests. I think one of the ladies even comments that if Mr. Hart starts yelling for help, it's so far off the street that no one would hear him.

[quote] What area of LA did Rachel Zoe buy a house in? ... she moved into around the time of the birth of her first son.

R270 Not sure about the time/date you're referring to, but both the house that Zoe moved to in 2011 and the subsequent one in 2014 were said to be located in The Flats (Beverly Hills), just blocks from one another. But the report in 'Variety' when she moved into the second place indicated that she didn't buy either of them, with both places being leases.

R304 - that makes sense. Not that Zoe's tv deal would likely have been big enough, but many shows have been known to foot the bill the rent.

One of the "stars" of Shahs of Sunset tried to rent one of my friend's houses. It's a write off if they film in the house but reality doesn't pay well.

Anyone know where the house from the Bachelorette/Bachelor is located?

They rent it from the same family and removed every piece of furniture & they paint every room those God awful colors. Once filming's over they have to repaint the house to how they found it & return all the owner's furniture.

I saw a TV show where they showed the actual inside with the owner's furniture & walls. It was so beautiful as opposed to the gawdy way ABC does it for the show. The show said how much the family is paid & it was a HUGE sum of money. They move in & out twice a year

R307 I don't watch those shows, but one of the places they filmed at was a house out in an unincorporated area just south of Agoura Hills, sometimes referred to on maps as Saratoga Hills. But Agoura Hills is used as the address. It would actually be part of an unincorporated area of Los Angeles County.

Is this the house you're referring to?

We are collecting for the needy, the people who live in Brentwood

Needy, sexy people?

i wonder about people like r283. My guess is that someone who makes a comment like that grew up in a household where they were constantly evaluating the value of others and told they were better than other people because of X, Y, or Z. Even the idea there's something wrong with being newly wealthy as opposed to inheriting it is a value that comes from a time where being gay was met with shock treatments or other forms of torture--or ex-communication from the family and community. Most people who instilled these values in their children ended up dying of diseases that might've been cured if they had a society where black, Latino, or female scientists existed in large numbers. But only the "right people" got into the "right colleges" and then could land the "right jobs" back then.

Incidentally, I'd rather spend time with someone smart and industrious enough to be new money as opposed to someone who grew up being given everything and believed they deserved it.

R308

Yes. That's the house.

I really want to see the Clampetts discuss the poor people of Brentwood. Which episode is it?

R313 This isn't the episode mentioned by R200 above, but in this one Sonny Drysdale (Louis Nye) is telling The Clampetts where he'll be taking Elly May on their date and says that he plans on taking her on "a socially-significant drive through Brentwood and Bel Air, so he can show her some of our 'depressed areas'".

Scene starts around 5:47 mark.

btw - this one features Max Baer, Jr. in drag as "Jethrine."

Not even close R311

Someone like that works as a shop bottom someplace, at best has a year of community college and makes himself feel good by imagining that he is the sort of person who refers to others as "nouveau riche trash,"

It's quite possible he works at a store frequented by wealthy women from SM and thus has a particular bone to pick with them.

Though I doubt it because if you were the sort of pretentious newly rich person who wished to signal to the world just how rich you were, Santa Monica is one of the last places in LA you'd live, precisely because it doesn't have the immediate recognition factor of Beverly Hills, Bel Air or Malibu. (And because a lot of SM is not all that.)

Where did ET live?

What about Mary-Louise Parker in Weeds?

R316 The house where ET lived was in Tujunga, but some of the street scenes were filmed in various neighborhoods over in The Valley where that slut Brooke Logan is from. Neither location has anything to do with the Westside.

And the house in Weeds is way up in the Stevenson Ranch area of Santa Clarita. This is about 40 miles northwest of downtown Los Angeles.

R285, thanks.

[quote]I really want to see the Clampetts discuss the poor people of Brentwood. Which episode is it?

I can't recall the exact episode, but it's basically a throw-a-way line. I remember when I was little and saw it, I had to look Brentwood up.

Who is the reigning queen of Bel Air? I'd say Jennifer Anniston. Before it was definitely Nancy Reagan with Elizabeth Taylor a very close second.

[quote] Who is the reigning queen of Bel Air?

Definitely Will Smith.

[quote] Who is the reigning queen of Bel Air?

Definitely Will Smith.

This article is a couple of years old but I’m sure it still stands, if anything SM is now even more expensive. Renting in Santa Monica is insane. But they do have some of the strictest rent control laws in the country, so people in rent control buildings rarely move, thus the high rent - very little inventory.

[quote] Renting in Santa Monica is insane.

Tell us about it!

all about SFV/Hidden Hills

Is East Hollywood nice?

Yes, the top of Wonderview Drive. Is Lake Hollywood still open?

East Hollywood and Hollywood Hills East are two different areas.

R329 Lake Hollywood was closed due to COVID back in March. I don't believe it's reopened.

Where do all the glamorous movie stars live?

r332, Most have moved to the South Bay area, specifically Carson, Torrance, Wilmington, and Lomita. Very few celebs live in LA proper anymore.

I hear Commerce is massive glam. Just fabulous. And so removed from the hullabaloo of downtown trash and the wannabes of Hollywood.

R330 is totally right R328. East Hollywood/Little Armenia is far from "nice" IMO. Once you get up into the hills, things change completely (and in a good way).

Where do "every day" actors, industry people and the rest of LA's middle class (relative middle class adjusted for LA; I know it'd dying) live - IF they actually live in the city and haven't fled for the burbs yet? Let's say people making 200 or 250k to 500 or 600k give or take. I remember Alec Baldwin interviewing Sandra Berhard and they talked about when they just started out in LA they lived in the Valley. But that doesn't really say a lot since there's a huge range of cost and style of neighborhoods in the Valley.

R336, below the line people and working actors live throughout the SFV, Central LA, and the Westside. Beyond these regions is too far from the studios and all the action, where you want to network and be seen.

Sandra Bernhard used to live in a nice house on large property in Van Nuys before buying an even bigger spread in West Toluca Lake.

Viola Davis used to live in the Santa Monica area and bought in Toluca Lake. I know the home she bought and was surprised when it was reported someone tried to come into their home and rob them. Thankfully her husband stopped them.

R336 My sister lives in Sunset Park, a residential area in Santa Monica. A lot of mid-range industry people in writing and music seem to rent in her neighborhood. The two guys who rent next door work in music production, mainly for special TV events. They drive nice cars, but are not wealthy. She had a daytime soap opera actor two doors from her for many many years. Given his role on the show, he probably made around the salary range you gave. She's also a couple of doctors, a lawyer, and an architect who own homes on her block. The guy who used to own next door to her was a "celebrity" chef. Two of his restaurants failed, so he sold the third, packed up, and moved abroad. The homes are fixed up inside, but for the most part they were built in the 30s and 40s for Douglas Aircraft employees and were nothing special. My great uncle worked for Douglas as a security guard, and he and his wife owned one three blocks over. I drive by that home, and it looks exactly the same as it did when we would visit her. Some places have been knocked down and/or expanded, but the neighborhood still reads very similar. A good friend lives in Westchester near Loyola University. She has an actor and a film editor in her neighborhood. The homes are rather similar in age and size there.

Great info, R339

I live right in the middle of the blue zone on that map at R337, and despite being some distance from the studios, there are plenty of industry people who live in the area.

And R337, R338

What does that mean R342 when you just reference other posters by their comment number? I'm R338, but not R337 so I don't understand the reference.

Azusa was so named because it has "everything from A to Z in the USA!"

That's a myth, R344.

R344 That's just a Chamber of Commerce slogan for the city.

[quote] The place name "Azusa" dates to the Mexican Alta California era in the 19th century when Azusa was used to refer to the San Gabriel Valley and the San Gabriel River. It appears to have been derived from the Tongva place name Asuksagna. The area was part of the Tongva peoples (Gabrieleño Indians) homeland since at least 55 BC.

55 BC!

R343, I thought I had got the "And R337, R338" post in immediately after my post at R340, thanking R339. I was just thanking R337 and R338 for the good info, like I thanked R336.

OK R347. I've seen it before and was just baffled.

Jesus, I'm confusing the whole thing. I meant to to say "like I thanked R339," not " like I thanked R336" (I was R336). Anyway, again, just thanking everyone for the good info. I'll stop. Is there an edit function?

[quote] Is East Hollywood nice?

East Hollywood is great for Thai food and if you want to blow a closeted Armenian cabbie/Uber driver.

R333, what is the appeal of that area?

San Dimas High School football RULES!

R351, it was a joke.

[quote] Most have moved to the South Bay area, specifically Carson, Torrance, Wilmington, and Lomita. Very few celebs live in LA proper anymore

I knew that statement was a joke with the inclusion of Carson, Wilminton, and Lomita. But actually, there is a nice area in Torrance, adjacent to Torrance Beach - it kind of forms a triangle between Redondo Beach, Palos Verdes, and PCH. It's typically referred to as Riviera or (Hollywood Riviera). I sometimes see where Real Estate listings put these homes in "Redondo Beach" - I think it's because of the zip code-postal service, but these homes are actually in Torrance. Same with Walteria-Victoria Knolls area.

R350 And don't forget the Home Depot on Sunset, where there are scores of young migrants waiting to be picked up for work.

[quote] But actually, there is a nice area in Torrance, adjacent to Torrance Beach - it kind of forms a triangle between Redondo Beach, Palos Verdes, and PCH. It's typically referred to as Riviera or (Hollywood Riviera). I sometimes see where Real Estate listings put these homes in "Redondo Beach" - I think it's because of the zip code-postal service, but these homes are actually in Torrance. Same with Walteria-Victoria Knolls area.

Yes, R354, I live near the area you are describing. Supposedly it’s known as “The “Riv” - the riveria where film stars would come by taking a trolley to go on a “getaway” in the early golden years.

It isn’t too far from “The Bubble”: a place in LA under the radar and a bit off the beaten track: beautiful, natural and serene.

R356 Thanks for that added history. I always wondered how it got the "Hollywood" tag. More from an old Daily Breeze newspaper article, including how the Hollywood Riviera Beach Club where they flocked to burned down.

r336 Baldwin and Bernhard lived in the valley when it was dirt cheap. You're literally talking about 35-40 years ago. The valley used to be the suburbs of Los Angeles. Until the pandemic, a one bedroom apartment in Studio City or Sherman Oaks was going for $2000 per month. Same apartments would have been 1/5 the cost 35 years ago.