Ozark Season 3 Thread

Jason Bateman looks very thin.

Has it been released?

When?

It debuted today.

About damn time.

Wendy's brother is on the scene. Looks like there's an uncle/nephew storyline brewing.

Loved last season's ending. The Wichita Lineman playing while that crazy hillbilly bitch watches her husband die after she'd poisoned him. Show has some great music.

Tom Pelphrey's naked ass in episode 2.

Haven't watched the new season but im not looking forward to Wendy being some new evil mastermind.

Who is the Jane Lynchy-looking woman again? She work for the drug cartel guy?

She's the drug lord's attorney.

I love Helen!!

Julia Garner winning the Emmy last year and beating out the horde of GOT girls was one of the most stratifying award show honors in a long time. She is adorable and since that first scene she showed up in on The Americans she had an amazing spark that bode well for her future as an actress. Can’t wait to see what she’ll do this season.

Is the guy who plays Wyatt Martha Plimpton's son? He looks just like her.

Damn, I hate the stupid brother and his antics. He ruined the show for me. Why couldn't they keep the focus on the family and the hillbilly families and community? I also liked that "the client" was always in the background and only sent his creepy lawyer and henchmen occasionally. Wendy suddenly giving the drug lord life advice and being his best buddy is ridiculous.

I did not enjoy this season. Season 1 and 2 was much better.

I just finished the first two episodes and this looks like it's going to be very interesting. I *love* all three main female characters: Wendy, Ruth, and Helen. The transformation of Wendy into a ruthless, icy character has been extremely compelling - I wouldn't want to do anything that would piss off Wendy!

They should've made the brother gay and had a love triangle with Cosgrove Sr. and Jr.

I haven't started watching yet but I feel terrible for that poor little preacher man and what happened to his wife. Does he stilll show up?

"I haven't started watching yet but I feel terrible for that poor little preacher man and what happened to his wife. Does he stilll show up?"

You obviously didn't watch season 2 either!

I actually did R19, though I admit I've already forgotten half of it.

Just started watching the new season, I am a glutton for punishment because this show makes me tense

Oh, I remember, the hillbilly bitch has the baby. You sparked a memory.

I love Darlene. She's a total Datalounger.

So it devolves into You Can Count on Me?

I don't like how they humanized the lawyer, she was more interesting being a mysterious representative of this deadly drug cartel.

R15, I agree about the brother. He seemed like a convenient conflict generator. That actor is great, though.

I know people worship Laura Linney as a great actress but she always is a downer and usually plays a bitch

All these people are hard to look at...ug-ly

*Major* drop in the writing after season 2.

The characters in season 3 do so many things that don’t make sense in every episode and have conflicts and relationships with each other that also come out of nowhere and don’t make sense in the context of who these characters were and what they were like *all* throughout the very good to excellent seasons 1 and 2.

What happened?!? Did they change the showrunner or something?

I still really like all the actors and their performances here and feel like they are doing their very best with the material they have been given, but I feel like they have all been really let down and put in bad positions by most of the writing for the series this season...

R28, it takes place in the Ozarks, not Beverly Hills. Despite this, there is some eye candy.

I wish the bulk of Julia Garner’s role this year wasn’t screaming angry girl.

People think the Ozarks are hillbilly central after watching this show, but I think it's really beautiful there. These houses with lake access and the views are fantastic. Does anyone know if the Byrd house and the aerial shots are really from Missouri since the show is filmed in Georgia? Or is everything we see on the show really Georgia?

Ruth has a great piece of land and I dont get why no one is encouraging her to get rid of these nasty trailers and build a beautiful house there right by the lake. I bet she made more than $25k after Marty even asked her to take over Byrd Enterprises last season and she can afford it now.

My God. The fake therapist thing was hysterical and cringeworthy all at once.

I know someone who would actually probably do something like pay a fake therapist. Or a therapist who is paid to perform inauthentic therapy.

Either way, Marty is so fucked up and I appreciate Wendy’s vision. The chick knows of what she speaks.

She’s smarter than Marty.

OK, so just finished episode 1.

What I enjoyed about last season’s developments specifically, is that Marty and Wendy were not withholding information from each other, and seemed to have an actual partnership. Now, Wendy is probably gonna start withholding from Marty, and the secrets begin, once again. Marty paying this “therapist” was already a significant breach.

I know that there needs to be tension and that this is a plot device to provide it, so o am looking forward to how this unfolds.

However, I hope we don’t have another “Breaking Bad” scenario, because I’m order for the ensuing carnage to continue, there will be a price that must be paid.

I wonder how this will end? Does their marriage survive this, or do they lose their lives, or their kids, or what?

By the way, I’m really enjoying this capture of the Midwest. I know very little about this area, and I love watching the scenery provided by this series.

Just absolutely breathtaking.

Dang! Guess the episode wasn’t over? Weird. Thought it was. OK. Just heard her leaving Marty the v-mail message.

I know we are supposed to root for the wife and the female lawyer but I am still for Marty and I love Ruth

I think Wendy is a power hungry bitch and will eventually pay the price for her recklessness, greed and carelessness.

Wendy, the woman lawyer, and Marty are all rough in the face. I guess we get so used to people with plastic surgery or Botox, but I think they have a lot of wrinkles for people in their 50's. Laura Linney can really play a beyotch. That was mean she put (dye?) in those people's milk and left their door open.

[quote]Damn, I hate the stupid brother and his antics.

My first thought was that Ozark has it's own Cousin Oliver! But by the end I was loving the character just because Tom Pelphrey does such an incredible job with the role. Plus, he's the only eye candy in season 3.

Janet McTeer is so good in this, though to be fair, her height and lanky frame, hairdo, and a great wardrobe department are doing half the work before she even speaks a line of dialogue.

Just finished the season and thought it was great. Won’t say too much so as not to spoil it for anyone, but the ending was a fabulous gasp-worthy moment.

Agree with R40...WOW.

I enjoyed the entire season, but episodes 9 and 10 were amazing!!

This season ended with a bang!

[quote] So it devolves into You Can Count on Me?

I was thinking more of her character in Love Actually - who SHOULD had her brother put to death for cock blocking her when she was about to have sex with Rodrigo Santoro.

The best scene of the entire season was when Cathy Geiss took a tumble!

I thought that was Susan Boyle.

I also finished season 3 tonight and I'm bummed we probably have to wait 2 years for season 4 now. I need more. Now.

Interesting how the bratty daughter of Seasons 1 and 2 became the voice of reason and sanity.

^Yes, but these kids will need therapy for the rest of their lives. Cops often need montgs of therapy after shooting someone or witnessing a violent crime.

I liked Darlene this season.

I could have done without the granny porn.

Yeah, her in bed with Martha Plimpton was gross.

I don't want to give anything away, but "She was a good listener" (uttered at a certain point by Helen's cold-blooded enforcer) was the funniest line of the season.

Season 3 was great. Got my mind off of Coronavirus so it did the trick! 😬👍

[quote]I liked Darlene this season.

She grew on me through the season. The Darlene/Wyatt storyline was unsettling, but I did love her standing up for Ruth. And I like the potential for their collective storyline in season four.

I also think Lisa Emery, who plays Darlene, looks like she could be Sarah Paulson's mother.

Even though Tom Pelphrey is not my type, there is something about him that is just so fuckable.

Janet McAteer has the most ungainly body, which is not helped by her ill-fitting wardrobe. She looks hideous in those droopy blouses and cropped pants.

Did not remember the young man who got in trouble for blowing money at the casino.

Find it hard to believe the black FBI guy would still be on the case when everyone knew he was screwing the dead FBI guy.

Watching Darlene and Wyatt in bed together was cringe-worthy. Truthfully, she should have been dead when the cartel shot up their car. And that would have been fine.

"Did not remember the young man who got in trouble for blowing money at the casino."

Sam. The real estate agent that sold them the house with the controlling mother who ended up dead like all of the Byrd's enemies.

Thanks, r56.

I hope we see Rachel next season. She's a great character and Marty seems to really care about her.

I forgot about Rachel. Was the actress unavailable?

^I think she is probably still in rehab in Florida. Hopefully back next season.

Does anyone remember she stole $300k from Marty, but he never wanted it back? What happened with the money?

Ruth also destroyed the Marina last season and promised Marty would invest and pay for the damage but this also never happened. Instead she sent her criminal father to steal boats parts. Who paid for the damage?

Darlene is a psycho but also a hoot. Though yes, could have done without the sex scenes between her and Wyatt. That skinny twink looks about 15 so it’s even worse.

The fake psychiatrist taking bribes and telling Marty, “I guess I just want to see how the story ends.” was also hilarious. When she showed up in her bright yellow sports car I howled.

Sue was actually a real therapist who was being bribed by both Byrdes to make sure she sided with them.

Just finished all the episodes. Season 4 is going to be a shitstorm!

Spoiler, obviously.

I'm not quite sure why the hitman would have brought Ben's body back, or even how that whole thing went down. Even from a purely logistical point of view, killing someone in a semi-public area and then transporting the body across hundreds of miles would seem fraught with perils a professional killer would not take a chance on. And then having Ruth there, as they nonchalantly cremate the corpse? Why wouldn't they have just let her suffer in silence, always wondering where Ben was or why he wasn't calling but not confirming they'd had him killed. Did not make sense to me at all.

Bringing the corpse back makes it clear to the children (and everyone else) that the Byrdes were totally complicit in the operation.

My friend and I were debating whether Ben is really dead. He was brought back shrink wrapped in plastic and they never showed his demise at the restaurant.

Oooooh, excellent point, R65.

Could Marty perhaps have paid off Weston to help him fake Ben's death? It's totally plausible.

Their therapist was the "That's now how it works, that's not how any of this works" lady

I was ready to end Ben myself after his crying fits and then the dumb ass calling Helen

Who I can't remember is... who is the guy who had dark hair and a goulish face who called Wendy to tell her that Helen was getting a casino license? What did he do in past seasons?

LOL, R67 - that actress has such a distinctive voice.

I’m not sure if was necessary to give Ben such a heavy accent (the actor playing him is from NJ). I get that they wanted to show how far Wendy had departed from her roots, but it kind of worked against making them a believable brother/sister, IMO. On the other hand, Laura Linney could make me believe anything...and she’d better win the Emmy next year. The actor playing the brother is deserving too, if only for the scene where he’s having a conversation with himself in the back of the taxi.

r71 Where are the supposed to be from, that's a thick southern accent.

North Carolina

R71, she'll be eligible this year. Emmy cut off is May or June.

Well Bateman and Garner got Emmys for the last season, and Linney does seem to be the stand out for this season. I wish there kids had a bit more of a story line this time, they seemed underused.

"Who I can't remember is... who is the guy who had dark hair and a goulish face who called Wendy to tell her that Helen was getting a casino license? What did he do in past seasons?"

That was the lawyer who works for the man who got them the casino license last year. The one with the lake house. I do not remember his name, but he wanted to build a shopping mall and a hotel and was pissed they wouldn't let him. Seems like he is spying on his boss for Wendy, but why?

The dark-haired guy's boss is the red-haired guy Helen met with to arrange getting her name on the casino license. I don't remember what position of authority he is in, but he was definitely a MO mover and shaker.

The whole reason Ben had to be killed was because he was unstable and unable to control himself. He purchased a cell phone on the road trip, which made Wendy realize he was not going to be able to control himself and would only make things worse for her and her family. There's no way he could have been spared.

I think Erin was probably back in Chicago by the time her mother left for Mexico so it might be some time before they realize she is missing. But you know she's going to blab to her dad about the cartel and he'll realize that's why he got beat up, haha.

I would like to have heard more about Frank Jr.'s condition, like aside from getting his penis blown off, what other damage was there? I don't remember something similar happening so curious what would be the extent of the damage. Assuming he's still alive.

Mary Louise Burke is the best thing evah!

Fuckin fuck fuck motherfucker is a fuckin fuck

Ruth also has a probably with VOLUME control when she talks

Fun/funny!

[quote]Mary Louise Burke is the best thing evah!

She's also currently on "New Amsterdam" in a recurring role as a wry, tells-it-like-it-is terminally ill woman whom Max (Ryan Eggold) hires to be his assistant. She's just as good -- with a nice poignant touch -- on that show.

I wanted Wendy and the woman lawyer both taken out. Strangely Darlene didn't bother me that much this season though it's pretty implausible she is still alive.

Spoiler

Helen's death was a bit underwhelming though. It would have been more fun if they had both first tried to convince Mr. Drug Lord and then she realized she had lost and the end was near. The evil bitch was probably already dead before she even realized what was going on. We deserved a proper Helen/Wendy showdown.

I thought early in the season that Wendy and Helen would be scissoring by episode 8.

The brother may not be dead.

There was no reason that Ruth had to involve Darlene in getting Ben released. The hospital would only have held him for 48 hours and put him back on the street. I know this having dealt with a schizophrenic brother.

R85 My thoughts, exactly. Mcteer and Linney are serving big caneface looks this season.

The brother wasn't taking his medication and unhinged. This is a tough decision, but Wendy should have admitted him to the private facility when she still had the chance. She knew he was aggressive and violent without proper medication and still decided to do nothing. Also, Ruth could clearly see he was not in a good place and needed professional help. He blabbed about their business in front of guests and was aggressive, but she still decided to get him out of there. Idiots.

Saving this for the final days of the confinement. Don't tell me, Datalounge!

SPOILER ALERT...

Ruth is one tough cookie if she could have sex so soon after having a couple ribs cracked. Well, of course we knew she was tough, but not that tough. After my brother cracked a couple of his ribs in an auto accident, he couldn't even climb a flight of stairs for more than a month.

^^ Agreed. The "healing" of her injuries was weird, R91. All the bruises/cuts on her face also vanished in what felt like a day.

The music played during the last two episodes (Ben and Wendy scenes) is so mournful it gives me an anxiety attack. I can’t listen to it.

S3 sucked ass. Really horrible writing. Jesus. We could have written a better season.

WTF? And Jason Bateman is only playing himself as the real Jason Bateman that the public isn’t too familiar with.

Boring!

You have an opportunity to take this series anywhere you want, and you spend an entire season concentrating on mental illness and 3 sociopathic women scratching and clawing their way to the top?

Agent Mya and Marty could have had an affair. A child could have been killed. Ruth could have lost a limb in an explosion. Darlene could have killed Helen instead of shooting cosgrove Junior in the balls, and held on to Ben and Ruth as collateral.

For this season to redeem itself, Ben will have to be alive, and Wendi had someone else killed and this is why she is so guilt ridden.

Fix the problems with the Mexican drug lord. He runs a sloppy business and would never be a drug lord in real life.

Laura Linney is not Walter White. The writers owe us a better villain than Linney. An unexpected one, like Ruth or Wyatt. Darlene should be moving and shaking more, because she is smart, and her only goal should be to kill the Byrdes, and go up against the mob with Cosgrove.

The Mexican drug cartel is becoming boring. Heroin is cheap as fuck, but the best profits are pills and big pharma. Why that wasn’t more central to this story is beyond me.

And when will the Russians show up? They’re the ones with the money. The Mexican drug lord who doesn’t know how to move his own cash or untag redflag accounts is complete bullshit. These people no longer exist, and every mob boss has an entire central security station filled with analysts to take care of that shit, cheap.

I know that this isn’t that Italian show, or the Wire, but it is unrealistic to present this story without exposing how deeply law enforcement on federal levels are complicit in the drug trade, and even responsible for setting it up.

Jason Bateman has a line up the middle of his nose. He and Laura Linney are rough looking. How old are the Byrds supposed to be because Bateman and Linney both look a hard 50 not to mention the cane face lawyer

What's this cane face I keep reading about?

Bateman is early 50s and Linney already late 50s so I guess they are playing a couple in their 50s. They look their age and UHD is obviously not their friend. Also interesting they chose an actress that is almost 60 as his wife. Could have picked an actress in her 40s or a younger couple altogether, but I think Bateman is a producer/creator. I had no idea they were both already in their 50s. Thought late 40s maybe.

Ben turning out to be alive would be a jump-the-shark moment IMO.

R96 "caneface" = lesbian. I believe the term originated from lesbians who oft wield a cane, an apparently common phenomenon according to DL.

I like the fact they are depicting the couple as more real looking and not some older guy with a younger too hot wife.

I was hoping for a 3-way with Darlene, Wyatt, and Ben.

[quote] I was hoping for a 3-way with Darlene, Wyatt, and Ben.

Ipecac, please!!

Vimitous!

Spoiler!

Did I miss something or why wasn't the second casino ever mentioned again after the first few episodes? Wendy went to all that trouble to get it, then closed it for renovations and it was never talked about again? However, I did find Wendy's little war with the country-fied owners very entertaining.

I wanted to see more of what happened after the casino owner rolled down the hill. I assume her husband went home and acted like she was missing and he didn't know where she was.

No, he would have reported that she had fallen and he couldn't get to her in time.

This all happened on a pretty tight time frame so the second casino was still closed for upgrading.

r106 then why didn't he call the police immediately? I think he went home and played dumb.

Does it matter? I'm sure grandpa will get away with it whether he plays dumb or calls the cops. They will just assume she lost her balance. A bit suspicious though that they just got a huge amount of money, but at least he can enjoy it now without the evil controlling wife if he doesn't end up in jail.

Loved that scene. Best part: he looks around, and knows he’s home free if he just walks away, and so, he does.

Helen has resting bitch face that puts Joan Crawford to shame.

R110 Agree, and those outfits were really unflattering for her body type.

I never really LOVED this show the first season. Then in Season 2 I REALLY LIKED IT. And now in season 3, I officially LOVE IT.

Yes, its pure soap opera- but its expertly done and sincerely suspenseful.

And there is no god if Tom Pelphrey does not get a Supporting Actor Emmy nomination, as well as MY FAVORITE- that old lady who played the therapist!!! She KILLED it :)

And I would 100% give an Emmy nomination to the lady who plays Darlene! She is one of the few psychos that I MIGHT become friends with. She has her own ethics and a firm belief in what is right. For a psycho.

Fun season. Love Janet McTeer as well and her character is so wonderfully evil. Ahem. I wish we would see more of her..... :)

R112 So agree about the actress that plays Darlene being deserving of an Emmy. I just fear for poor ole Wyatt in future seasons, if he crosses her he's a goner!

Touching that Karl Malden would bequeath his nose to Jason.

In addition to playing Cathy Geiss on “30 Rock“, you may recall the casino owner’s bitchy controlling wife from her first movie role in “Working Girl”.

Bitsy?

She also has a part in the Amazon movie 'Blow The Man Down' which is good

[quote] Really horrible writing. Jesus. We could have written a better season ... And Jason Bateman is only playing himself

Couldn’t agree more on both counts. In S3, Bateman does too much looking off into the distance with his head bowed—in every bloody scene. And he’s now developed a tic where he pauses in unlikely parts of a sentence, and breathes in and utters half a syllable before he continues with the sentence—in every bloody scene. And it’s very unlikely anyone is going to point this out, reign him in and get a decent performance out of him—he often directs episodes and is an executive producer. Every now and then I wonder what Laura Linney must be thinking, and I wonder how embarrassed Bateman would be if he realised the kid playing Jonah has better acting skills than he does.

As for the writing, if there were any more plot holes in this thing it would probably be a piece of absurdist theatre.

I enjoyed this season more than the first two.

Jason Bateman always turns in the same performance.

I think Jason Bateman did some interesting work this season. He’s a little more sinister. Very subtle, though.

The actor who played the brother was great, but I still have a problem with him being too young to be Laura Linney's brother. She is 56 and looks it and I think he was only supposed to be about 40.

I don’t think Linney’s character is 56. Probably meant to be mid-late 40s.

Linney has a decent figure but she has a lot of wrinkles to play a 40 something. I do give this show credit though for not giving Bateman's character a younger wife.

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[quote] The whole reason Ben had to be killed was because he was unstable and unable to control himself.

It makes me so mad that few are putting the blame for his death where it belongs: on HIM. He chose to go off his meds even though that had derailed his life many times in the past. Everyone begs him to go back on his meds... but the big baby digs in his heels, so he can “feel”.

WELL, HOW DOES A BULLET TO THE HEAD FEEL, BITCH?!

His acting was fantastic and he had better get a nom for the series.

[quote]It makes me so mad that few are putting the blame for his death where it belongs: on HIM.

It's a quasi-complex issue because he was never playing with a full deck to begin with.

1. He went off his meds which is his fault.

2. Ruth continued a relationship with him even though Wendy warned her that she shouldn't. He went off his meds so he could actually have sex with her. Then Ruth idiotically proceeded to be okay with him being off his meds and then angry with Marty and Wendy for trying to get him back on his meds and finally at them for his death. If Wendy didn't turn him in they would have likely killed her, the kids, Marty and probably even Ruth herself.

Ruth could have insisted he go back on his meds and still dated the guy but she just wouldn't. She liked him being able to get his dick hard.

3. However, the issues he had with Wendy and Marty were legitimate ones and he was reacting like some people would ...

4. .... only without regard for his own life and through his bi-polar lens which made things worse.

5. Ruth also helped get him killed when she broke him out of the mental institution. Him confronting Helen and her daughter wouldn't have happened if he wasn't released because Ruth refused to believe that the man was actually sick. The kids also dropped their front and told Helen's daughter the truth about who their mother was because of that which just made her angrier.

6. If Wendy was smart she would have booted his ass out of there much sooner than she did but she wanted him there even when Marty wanted him to leave. She already knew he wasn't a person that could really handle himself in day to day life or in the situation that he was in with them.

So I'd say that while the fault lies with Ben, he doesn't get all of it since a mentally ill person in that "support" network was doomed from the start. A dumb girlfriend that was okay with him not being medicated & a sister and brother-in-law who work with a Mexican crime boss are not the friends he needed.

Linney has gained 20k followers on Instagram since season 3 premiered!

Loved this season but Ruth is starting to annoy me big time. In the first two seasons, she was impulsive and brash but also smart when it counted. In this season, she mostly behaves like a petulant child, making one bad decision after another. I was almost hoping that Wendy and Marty would get someone to slap some sense into her.

Trivia about Marylouise Burke, who played the bribed therapist:

When Brooke Shields made her 1986 NYC stage debut in THE EDEN CINEMA, a play by Marguerite Duras, Burke played her onstage mother.

R125 and R126 I knew Tom was terrific as Ward Meachum on Iron Fist. I never finished Iron Fist, but his commitment to his character was undeniable.

The only thing I didn't like about Marty and Wendy's behavior was that Ruth has daddy issues. She clearly looks up to Marty like a daughter would her loving father. They killed Ruth's dad for his attempt on Charlotte, I don't see why that couldn't eliminate Tommy Egan ( I forgot his character's name in the series and refuse to google). Ruth EARNED vengeance and it's the one thing they should have done for her. Like Darlene or not but she knew what had to be done. Losing Ruth is a big loss. I can't wait for season 4 mainly because I want to see if Ruth get's a redemption arc.

Also poor Janet McTeer xD ! She needs to put a clause in all her Netflix contracts. Please don't shoot my character.

R118 that is an astute and articulate observation. Do you by chance work as a performing arts teacher? I could not put my finger on what it was he was doing. I just know Marty is too similar to the guy who helped Hancock in the movie Hancock. I've never liked Bateman much as a person after watching Celebrity Poker Showdown. He was a combative douche even when it didn't call for it.

R126, (Re:Ruth) Good dick is a prison.

[quote]The only thing I didn't like about Marty and Wendy's behavior was that Ruth has daddy issues. She clearly looks up to Marty like a daughter would her loving father.

I completely agree. Marty has always taken Ruth for granted and while I hate it, I kinda' get that his character has always been generally a cold asshole.

Wendy might hug Ruth and say she was like a daughter to her but Marty would give her more responsibility, be a dick to her and then hand her more cash on top of what she earns to say he's sorry without actually saying it. He's just never been too expressive with anyone.

[quote]They killed Ruth's dad for his attempt on Charlotte

He was also a loose cannon like Ben only worse. He wouldn't have just gone away with the money he had. He would have wanted more.

Ruth's relationship with her dad was complicated, especially since they strongly implied that he was sexually abusing her last season. Not just her goodbye kiss on the lips to his corpse but the whole season. (It was a while ago, I almost forgot.) He was also a murderer even before he met Marty/Wendy who killed his own father. He was also a scumbag that constantly put her down. She was much more upset about Ben's death than his.

[quote]I don't see why that couldn't eliminate Tommy Egan

I thought a lot about this and while Darlene did needed to be done Darlene has a whole crew behind her.

Wendy and Marty don't. They were using the KC mob for help.

They didn't want a situation where they were against them because it's really just them. So the easiest thing to do without starting a war is drop them as their helpers.

However, Darlene could hurt him, ride up to the KC Mob and say, essentially, "you could start a war or work with me" because she's actually got men that work for her and can fight them. They know who she is, she has a whole history in the area and they know they should respect her.

[quote]Also poor Janet McTeer xD ! She needs to put a clause in all her Netflix contracts. Please don't shoot my character.

Seriously.

The interiors of that little casino boat as shown are WAY bigger than they would actually be. It's pretty comical. I've been on boats like that before and they are quite cramped. All of the interior shots on the show are obviously using a much larger layout

^I was wondering about that when i first saw that boat. It was way too small for a casino. Then in season 3 you suddently have huge floors and lots of space and even additional offices and rooms on that tiny boat. Glad I wasn't the only one who thought it didn't match reality.

The riverboat is parked in Stone Mountain. The interior is at their studio in Norcross.

R126, Ben is NOT dead.

^Lets hope Ozark is not a soap opera where dead people suddenly reappear.

Also, why did Wendy spend 3 day drinking and crying in a parking lot, if he wasn't really dead? She didn't fake it for her family. She was alone.

[quote]Also, why did Wendy spend 3 day drinking and crying in a parking lot, if he wasn't really dead? She didn't fake it for her family. She was alone.

Wendy believes he's dead. If it turns out he's alive, it's not because of her: Marty could easily have paid off Weston (the hit man) -- without ever telling Wendy or Ruth -- to help fake Ben's death. Weston goes where the biggest payout is. And that also ensures plausible deniability for Wendy.

If they hadn’t denied Ruth’s request, there wouldn’t be a season 4 inner circle conflict.

It’s annoying, really, defying the dynamics of the characters’ relationships.

Following logic, the Byrdes would have assured Ruth they would absolutely seek revenge on the mob boss’s son, but they’d have to be smart: if they went after him now, the boss would come after Wyatt and the Byrde kids.

Let cutting the mob off from the casino deal stand as their legitimate reaction, then get the son in a year or so from now and pin it on one of their other enemies and have the mob boss go after them.

It would have been easy for them to say and easy for Ruth to comprehend and even accept.

But the writers used it as a flimsy device to establish conflict for the next season. The Byrde’s of Chicago against the local trash AND the cartel.

What would Weston do with Ben though? The guy needs 24h supervision and protection preferably at a very remote location. Who brought him there? Who supervises him 24/7? Who is providing drugs, medical care and therapy for him? Admitting him to a private facility was also not an option without Wendy's signature. How could Marty and Weston suddenly solve this problem, but Wendy could not?

At the end of season 2 didn't the cartel blow up the Byrd's office building? What ever happened with that?

I didn't like S3 as much as S1 and S2. The brother character had way too many scenes and no one gives a shit about him. Count me in as one of those people who wonders if he's really dead. There was no Death Shot and Marty didn't act right after he got killed. He wasn't upset at all, just shoved the body into the fire.

RIP Helen, you were great.

I'm also wondering if the scene at Omar's was Marty dreaming on the plane. It was pretty ridiculous how Helen's brains got blown out all over Marty and Wendy. Helen also has an ex- husband and two kids who are going to wonder where she is. That's all pretty strange. I see why Navarro was struggling so much -- he's not very good at this drug lord stuff. He should have killed Helen in the US and made it look like an accident.

The writing for this series is starting to tank.

[quote]What would Weston do with Ben though? The guy needs 24h supervision and protection preferably at a very remote location. Who brought him there? Who supervises him 24/7? Who is providing drugs, medical care and therapy for him?

Enough money could buy all of those things – and the silence of anyone involved. All Weston had to do was NOT kill Ben, and provide some kind of "replacement" body for Marty to cremate in Ruth's presence... Marty could have wrangled the rest. Weston's job could easily have been done when he delivered the corpse.

The writers could concoct just about anything to explain how Ben is alive -- maybe he's being kept sedated (via injections) in some remote location and is being tended to by a nurse? Maybe he's being held captive somewhere? The possibilities are endless... and, of course, they include the possibility that he really *is* dead. We won't know until season four (or maybe even later).

Why would anyone bother to keep Ben alive? An unstable mental patient who is more of a liability than anything else? It's not like he could even be used as a credible witness for any purpose.

[quote]Why would anyone bother to keep Ben alive?

Love?

Despite his myriad issues and being a walking, talking liability, he *was* a member of the family. He was loved by them all + Ruth.

Who is a Rachel Garrison and how is she posting from beyond the grave?

I'm the woman who used to own the Blue Cat Lodge. Among other things, I kissed Marty and I overdosed in season two.

Everyone seems to have forgotten I exist(ed).

Ben is dead, you fucking idiots.

I [italic]hope [/italic]he’s dead - the irresponsible little man baby!

Will Ben be posting to the Season 4 thread from the great beyond?

Ben ain’t fucken dead, y’all.

Wait, Rachel died? I thought she just took off. The actress was good, but there was really nowhere to go with that character.

The therapist played Miles's mother in SIDEWAYS. She was hilarious in that as well.

R153 You ain’t Ruth, that’s three fucks shy of Ruth!

[bold]#Juctice4Rachel

I hope Ben is dead. Great actor, but it’s sad and beautiful and necessary that he be dead.

If he’s alive that’s just stupid.

And I loved Helen’s death. Just shows Marty and Wendy that this guy cares about nothing, and that they will forever be on edge.

But now that the above poster mentions it, it could be Marty dreaming.

They did make such a point about Helen beseeching Weston to inform her of her impending death, which didn’t happen, so...

Marty dreaming? Like Pam Ewing?

I did take off, R154. I’m gone and, apparently, totally forgotten. So I might as well have been killed off.

Rachel, you’re never going to get out of rehab if you don’t turn that from UPSIDE DOWN!

^^ goddammit!

I meant FROWN

She is so lovely.

All they seem to do on this show is scream at each other.

[quote]Enough money could buy all of those things – and the silence of anyone involved. All Weston had to do was NOT kill Ben, and provide some kind of "replacement" body for Marty to cremate in Ruth's presence... Marty could have wrangled the rest. Weston's job could easily have been done when he delivered the corpse.

Oh this is silly!

Ben is dead. Very dead.

Ozark isn't THAT much of a soap opera.

The only reason they didn't show him getting killed is because showing them kill a mentally ill, bi-polar character would have set people off. Hell, they cut away from Ruth being beaten because we're supposed to like her. Helen was mostly a bitch so you got to see that. They didn't even show Sue the therapist other than the gun being aimed at her.

this season was pretty good, All the actors did well but I hope it's Laura's turn at emmy gold... an acting gold for Jason would be welcome as well. I will miss Helen and Ben. I love Tom Pelphrey but he seems to play the same character every time!

I really don't agree about Bateman's acting. What exactly did Bateman do acting wise that was worth him winning any award?

Jason Bateman is getting acted off the screen by everyone, including the actors who play his two kids. All the major actors in Ozark are turning in multilayered, charged performances. Then you have Bateman who seems to have an acting range of two emotions! He turned in a better dramatic performance when he was a child on Little House on the Prairie! His nonchalant Mr Repressed schtick worked for him on Arrested Development and in comedy films like Horrible Bosses and whatever Jennifer Aniston vehicle he's in, but it's not transferring to high drama.

I know Ozark is Bateman's creative project, but I was actually hoping by the end of the season they'd be a shock twist and his character would be killed off. I thought there would be far more mileage having Linney play some drug baron widow going head to head with Darlene.

Would Darlene really get to foster a baby in real life?

Was such a good season. Loved it. That ending blew me away.

I see what you did there.

Netflix usually waits about three months or so after a new season has debuted before announcing if it's been renewed right?

R172, It's usually "within" 3 months for a popular series.

"Umbrella Academy" took three months. "The Chilling Tales of Sabrina" was renewed in the middle of their split season which was three months after the first season started. "13 Reasons Why" was three months later. However, "Fuller House" came on in February of that year and was renewed for season 2 about three weeks later. "Lost in Space" came on and was renewed a month later. "Dead to Me" was renewed in two months.

For other shows it could take much longer. "Bonding" debuted April and wasn't renewed until January of the following year. "Altered Carbon" took about 6 months to renew.

R171 but did you really see it Helen?

Is it just me or is Jason Bateman finally starting to show his age?

From here, I see everything, R174.

Ben was one of the nicest bi-polar people ever. He also had a lot of pain and struggle throughout his life. Despite that, he had good meds, which are hard to encounter in the Ozarks. At a time when mentally ill people were oppressed beyond belief, they identified with his struggles and he theirs.

My friend recommended this show to me. It’s pretty good?

Ben had BDE when he was off his meds, but not when he was on them, obviously. I got the sense he was supposed to be about 40 and Wendy about 50, so she would always be the responsible big sister who took care of him. His howls of anguish when he'd been committed were heart-breaking.

The people who think Ben is not really dead watch too many daytime soaps. I get that this show is basically a crime soap, but it's also a "prestige drama" and there's no way they'd do something that obviously hackneyed. He's dead. Marty wasn't freaking out because that's his character, he's unflappable in the face of chaos.

I don't know the previous work of the actor who plays Ben but he turned in a great performance. The long monologue in the taxi was riveting and scary.

Great season though yes, there's plenty of plot holes. For one thing, Helen was surprisingly lax about her personal security when it served the plot. First, Ben is able to run right into her backyard and blow up at her and her daughter; then, just days after that happens, Jonah is able to stroll right up to her front door carrying a shotgun, even though she HAS THREE KIDS OF A MEXICAN DRUG LORD STAYING THERE. Um ....?

Still, I forgive those lapses because it's a fun show with great actors, relentless plotting, good direction and scenery, just a quality production all around.

SPOILER ... I did see Helen's fate coming, thought it was still a fun HOLY SHIT moment. But they actually foreshadowed it in the first episode of the season, when they showed her being tortured by a group of Navarro's thugs. So I think we were meant to see from the get-go that she was already on thin ice with the big boss.

[quote]So I think we were meant to see from the get-go that she was already on thin ice with the big boss.

SPOILER .... There was also that moment when she turns to her driver/cartel hit man and asks him if he'd tell her if he knew she was going to be killed. He says yes. Of course, he doesn't because he's cold blooded. At least he made it quick.

I predict her daughter will cause trouble for an episode or two next season since she knows the Byrd's secrets and lives. She also was getting closer to her mom at the end before it all came crashing down. Someone will figure out that the Byrd's dead/missing lawyer had a daughter that lived with her and then go poking around. (Or perhaps she'll disappear like the restaurant owner Rachel from Season 1. Who still works for Marty but we just never see her.)

R182 The daughter could come back but from a script writing perspective, that could be more trouble than it would be worth. The problem with her character is she was too young to be able to stand alone, without involvement of other characters. So she would have to go and live with the Byrds and effectively open up more teen storylines that wouldn't necessarily be needed. She had also fled her Mother and said she wanted nothing else to do with her, so the daughter could assume the Mother isn't bothered about her either when she stops hearing from her.

If Erin returns, I could only see her doing so with her father and brother (as new characters) or coming back several seasons later as a more sinister independent character. Erin discovered her Mother worked for a drug cartel so t might be more feasible Helen's ex husband appears first seeking answers or working with the FBI for his family's safety.

Ben is dead. In interviews the actor talks about how wonderful the experience was even though it was just one season.

Well, I also think he is dead, but "Stranger Things" have happened on Netflix.

I hope the guy that plays Helen's ex-husband is in Season 4.

I hope Wendy completes her transformation into la Reina de los Narcos.

[quote]Erin discovered her Mother worked for a drug cartel so t might be more feasible Helen's ex husband appears first seeking answers or working with the FBI for his family's safety.

R183, I just remembered that the black male FBI agent whose gay lover was killed by the Byrds 'n Co. was trying to get the KC Mob Member who was trying to seduce Erin to do anything (including "fuck" her) to get information. So we'll see what happens since the mob member is also dead but if that character is consistent he will track her down at some point/season.

I’m on episode 9 and OMG I can’t stand Wendy’s loser brother.

Ruth: Let's hear it, fucknut. lol

Would be nice if they could spend more time on season 4 on crime business, FBI/police stuff and the Darlene crime family instead of unstable random characters who showed up 5 min ago. So much potential and they wasted 3 episodes on the mental health crisis of a character no one really cares about.

I'm bummed this cast won't get to go up and receive Emmy's at a proper ceremony (assuming it's cancelled). Everyone involved did such wonderful work.

They should have made the brother a more violent crazy. He kills someone and then dies, but goes out in a lunatic blaze of glory.

Ben's crazy was too crazy. One minute he's bro on the couch, scoping girls, the next he's having a breakdown. Later he seemed stupid not insane.

Agree on the acting R192 but too much Ben plot.

The guy playing Ben should def be nominated for an Emmy. He was incredible.

Laura Linney was especially good this season too.

I LOVED the lawyer character (played by Janet McTeer) and it sucks she won’t be in it anymore

I still don’t get why the drug lord would kill his lawyer. She’s been completely loyal.

I really liked Agent Mya and her brain.

I don’t get why the parents told everyone that Ben was dead. They didn’t have to mention anything to Ben’s girlfriend or the kids.

Helen was killed because she went behind Navarro's back to frame the Byrds. My question is how did Navarro know she was going to give him a false confession? I think the black FBI agent is working for the cartel.

^ ooh, that would be a clever twist

I started watching Ozark from the beginning a week ago and am almost finished with season 3. Ozark reminds me of Weeds.

[quote]R197 I still don’t get why the drug lord would kill his lawyer. She’s been completely loyal.

There may be things we don’t know.

My take was the lawyer (Helen) put all the pieces successfully in place, and now he stands to make more money backing the Byrdes.

She’s replaceable, but Martin and Wendy at this point aren’t. (Plus, he seems to have developed a fixation on Wendy, and she wanted Helen out.)

How so, r201? Weeds wasn't nearly as compelling as Ozark, IMO

Helen was not an idea person. She was an order taker. Wendy and Marty are the idea people.

Excellent point, R204.

[quote] Is the guy who plays Wyatt Martha Plimpton's son? He looks just like her.

I thought the same thing and looked it up but, alas, he’s not.

[quote] Saving this for the final days of the confinement. Don't tell me, Datalounge!

So what are you even doing in this thread? If I see a thread called “let’s discuss apples” and I haven’t tasted apples yet because I’m busy eating oranges but don’t want anyone to describe what apples taste like to me, WHY WOULD I ENTER THAT THREAD?!

[quote] Bateman is early 50s and Linney already late 50s so I guess they are playing a couple in their 50s

Actors don’t always play their age, regardless of their appearance. From the flashback to Marty’s pre-adolescence (say he was 12-13 in those scenes) in what was clearly the mid eighties (mom’s shoulder-padded blouse and the already animated color video game ), Marty is in his late forties. It follows that so is Wendy.

[quote] FBI agent whose gay lover was killed by the Byrds 'n Co.

He wasn’t killed by the Byrds. It was a crime of passion (anger) executed by Ruth’s father after Petty began berating him. Same plot technique employed in the killings of Del and the nasty casino owner wife. Blah blah blah BANG/BUMP/TUMBLE!

[quote] So much potential and they wasted 3 episodes on the mental health crisis of a character no one really cares about.

Totally agree. I also agree with many here that Tom Pelphrey should be nominated for an Emmy. It’s very evident the character was written with that purpose as well. I thought the taxi monologue, though wonderfully executed, still had too much filler just meant to showcase Pelphrey’s wonderful acting chops. It will be the go-to clip “for your consideration.” He also got to chew the scenery screaming for Wendy at the hospital. Would he qualify for a guest Emmy in what could be seen as a very long arc?

[quote] I still don’t get why the drug lord would kill his lawyer. She’s been completely loyal.

She was sneaky, with both Navarro and the Byrds. I also like the post that noticed she was a service grunt as opposed to an idea person.

I was also wondering about the building that got blown up, as well as Wyatt finding out that Darlene is capable of coldly murdering a life-partner. All plot holes that need to be revisited.

The deaths that tugged a bit at my heart were Russ’s and Ben’s. And not showing the latter was masterful in my opinion. No, not because I think he’s still alive (that would ruin the genre) but because it was more effective for our last glimpse of Ben to be of him lost and puzzled.

Oh and I hope they’re not resorting to dream plot twists. Again, wrong genre.

Mind you, Ben being so fucked up and the actor being so talented doesn’t take away from the fact that he had a smoking hot body and amazing guns (not the rifle kind).

Oh, and add me to the list of those who think you can drive a wide-load truck through some of Bateman’s dramatic pauses.

[quote] after Petty began berating him.

I meant to say belittling him. Bilingual brain fart, sorry

Julia Garner is getting rave reviews for her new movie The Assistant. She works for a Harvey type.

Loved Helen’s ‘classy bad-ass boss bitch‘ wardrobe....a modern day take on Dorothy Zbornak’s look.

Annoyed by Helen continuing to refer to Navarro as “my client” long after his identity was clearly established among everyone involved.

Fuck, that second to the last episode! I wasn’t sure I could finish watching it. I know; Mary! I have a bi-polar brother myself, so maybe it was just my own shit, but Christ, that was brutal.

This show is off the fucking chain. My oven repairman turned me on to this last week. I've been binge watching it on Netflix and I am already up to Season 3 Episode 5. This show is a fucking rollercoaster ride and Laura Linney is one of the best actresses ever.

The only thing I notice and this must be a HDTV thing, but the lighting is brutal - you can see every pore, every wrinkle on peoples' faces.

R209, that movie sucks. NOTHING happens.

R213 Yeah, I didn't really understand what it was trying to tell us.

The lawyer made two mistakes. First she proposed that she become the new Marty & Wendy which along with her power of attorney gave her an extraordinary amount of power in the cartel--enough to make the boss suspicious of her intentions.

Secondly, Marty and Wendy basically ended the cartel war and got the boss's enemy raided by the U.S. Army. This after the lawyer told the cartel boss that Marty and Wendy were no longer useful. Again, this could be interpreted as a power grab.

Cartel bosses, like Trump, operate under a considerable amount of paranoia.

Out of all those people that disappeared into the chemical solvents, redneck tombs, or cremation ovens, only ONE of them had a relative wondering where he was?

This season was way better than season 2. The actress that plays Darlene ins fantastic and steals every scene she is in!

Her voice is like that of a three-packer/1-literer r217

I can’t believe how bad this show is. I’m shocked at the rave reviews on here. This is one of the stupidest shows Ive ever seen. It’s senseless & exists to show fighting, killing & fucking. The premiere story is dumb. A guy who’s working with the FBI helps 2 other guys steal $8m from the cartel. Excuse me? You have enough money to live in Trump Tower Chicago (have they changed the name yet?) but you thought it would be a good think to rip off the cartel, even though you know your cartel connection is a murderous psychopath?

And the cartel guy kills everyone except Bateman because he has a brochure about the Ozarks? Then the cartel guy tells Bateman to do something impossible. Bateman proceeds to tell every character on the show that he’s a money launderer for the cartel. Except the FBI. Then he goes and ridiculously steals a safe from a strip club he wants to buy, discovers the owner is laundering money — then, of course, tells the owner he himself is laundering money for the drug cartel — and tells the strip club owner to clear out, here’s $175k. Really? It doesn’t occur to him that thestrip club guy is working for someone else? And that someone else is going to be pissed Bateman just took over their money laundering concern for $175k?

He told the local redneck small time criminal family he’s a money launderer within the first 5 minutes of trying to get his money back. His kids know. A preacher& his wife know. And how is he laundering money for the cartel? He’s giving dribs & drabs of money to the cartel because he has to keep giving it away or getting it stolen.

When he took the hillbilly kingpin to the hiding place where he stashes all his drug money and calmly grabs wads of cash & counts it out, that was it for me. It was too much stupid on top of stupid.

Oh yeah, I immediately recognized mumbling Michael from “Mum” playing an American hillbilly drug lord killer. No. And you can easily see a poppy field from the air. Anyone with a drone, prop plane, seaplane or county helicopter could see it. And that was a small crop.

This show isn’t the best thing ever but it’s entertaining and what makes it more enjoyable to me than breaking bad is that it is not as OVERATED as breaking bad! The cast on Ozark is more talented as well. Wendy and Ruth are superier to Skyler and Pinkman who are easily two of the most fucking annoying characters in television history!

Laura Linney has the Emmy in the bag for this season , right?

R129 = Ricky Shroeder

This critic is definitely NOT a fan of season 3.

A quote regarding Wendy's brother: "Although he says he researched the condition in question, Pelphrey acts as if he glanced at Brad Pitt’s scenery-chewing turn in 12 Monkeys and never looked back."

[quote] Wendy, the woman lawyer, and Marty are all rough in the face. I guess we get so used to people with plastic surgery or Botox, but I think they have a lot of wrinkles for people in their 50's.

No, this is what people in their 50s really do look like everywhere outside of Beverly Hills, South Beach, and the UES.

Jason Bateman is more wrinkled than most, perhaps, because he is a lifelong runner and has spent a lot of time outdoors, but then there are some people in real life who have done this.

I respect all three of them the more for not getting plastic surgery or fillers and fucking up their faces.

[quote] I just remembered that the black male FBI agent whose gay lover was killed by the Byrds 'n Co.

He was killed by Cade Langmore completely independent of the Byrdes.

[quote] I thought there would be far more mileage having Linney play some drug baron widow going head to head with Darlene.

Yeah, we know what you want to see on this show, hon.

Pelphrey is young enough to be Linney’s son IRL

It's a good show, and it has great roles for women, unlike most shows about mobsters and drug cartels. Despite her undeniable abilities as an actress, it's still hard for me to buy Laura Linney as Wendy given how sunny and wholesome she is in both face and demeanor: it's like trying to buy Jane Pauley as a spiteful and cold mob wife. (It was so creepy watching multiple scenes the first season of Laura Linney taking it from behind from both her lover and Jason Bateman.) Valerie Garner and Lisa Emery and Janet McTeer seem to be more believable somehow (and all three are first rate actors).

The show is like a Jacobean revenge tragedy, with everyone corrupt and ruthless (except Rachel the first two seasons and Maya this season). Surprising eye candy from some of the men (Ben, Charles Wilkes, etc.)

My favorite character on the whole show (I've been binge-watching the whole thing for the first time) was Roy Petty, the gay FBI agent who was so single-minded and ruthless about pursuing his goals of bringing down the Byrdes that he seduced the Langmore uncle just to blackmail him. I've never seen a gay character like that on TV or in the movies, and weirdly it made it so much more believable he was not necessarily that hot--he looked like a real person.

[quote]Who is the Jane Lynchy-looking woman again?

Ha, ha, I had the same thought. There was a line in of the episodes were someone calls her a lesbian.

[quote]I respect all three of them the more for not getting plastic surgery or fillers and fucking up their faces.

I agree, yeah the do look a bit rougher, but that's much, much better than freakish that we have all become accustom to and continue to pretend it's an improvement. At least I can recognize who they are. Just a bit older. And in the long run I think they look better. The kept THEIR look.

I like it all up until Wendy killed her brother. Sorry but I just can buy that her character was supposed to be all about family, so protective of her brother, driving him almost across the boarder and then suddenly doesn't understand his mental illness with his move to make a phone call and has him killed. Fallowed by a two day drinking binge than she's over it? Not likely. Seems like her charter would have just set him free in some town town and drove home. At the very least, that guilt should eat her alive for the next entire seasons.

Characters are so easily dispatched on this show...that’s why I love it.

I dont have a problem with killing off characters R233, I just find it not even remotely believable that Wendy would go from trying to save her brother to instantly having him killed. She is not bipolar or borderline like that.

^Ozark is definetely missing a "fixer" like Mike on Breaking Bad. He would handle crazy family members or employees and not just conveniently kill them off.

R234 It was either Wendy’s brother gets killed right then and there or try to hide him knowing he would mess up along the way and then he gets killed AND Wendy (and her family) get killed as well.

R236 - yes, exactly. R232 / R234 - I'm not sure why you're having such a hard time with this. Are you aspie?

It became very clear to Wendy that she had no other choice after his MULTIPLE and RECENT attempts to speak to the authorities that, longterm, there would be no humane way to silence him. Even if she was able to get him committed somewhere, there was a distinct possibility he would recover, get back on his meds and get released and she might have no idea where he was or when he'd next make the decision to stop his treatment, get into wild bipolar swings and, again, try to out Marty and Wendy, which would mean certain death for them and their kids. No one's trying to claim it was an easy decision. It was one she obviously anguished over.

Her brother was a useless eater.

[quote] Characters are so easily dispatched on this show...that’s why I love it.

The cartel or the mob killing people makes sense, but they keep having annoying bossy women implausibly killed in sudden freak accidents, like the real estate developer's mother being hit by the semi in Season 1, or the hotel owner's wife slipping off the trail and falling down the hill to her death this season. It's kind of stupid they keep resorting to that as a plot device.

Also, I don't believe in the real world Darlene could ever get away with as many murders as she commits on the show. I can buy her getting away with the strip club dealer's murder by heroin injection in season 1, but not Jacob's murder by cyanide laced coffee in Season 2.

Why didn't Helen just have Darlene killed midway through the season? All she did was make trouble for the Cartel.

[quote]It was either Wendy’s brother gets killed right then and there or try to hide him knowing he would mess up along the way and then he gets killed AND Wendy (and her family) get killed as well.

Yes, I am aware of the story line Dear, still not buying it. Not believable, she would have either found a way, or not bothered so much from the start. Besides, how did that guy have everyone's phone number after his first one being taken away? Not like he stopped by the Apple store.

I like the old lady who played the shrink. They should have dragged that out longer showing real progress before showing she was just in it for the cash. Heck, I know someone right now who is going through a divorce kind of doing the same thing, paying off the marriage counselor. Her counselor is also making money off the kids too. That person is totally corrupt but in her mind she is the right person to "help" the family.

[quote] Also, I don't believe in the real world Darlene could ever get away with as many murders as she commits on the show. I can buy her getting away with the strip club dealer's murder by heroin injection in season 1, but not Jacob's murder by cyanide laced coffee in Season 2.

Have you ever watched "Dateline"? It happens more often than you think, even when there are firearms involved and not "accidental" overdoses.

Darlene has actually made me afraid in real life to call someone a redneck. LOL

I actually loved the brother character, especially in the great 8th and 9th episode this season. he kept screwing up worse and worse trying to make what he done wrong before right. Wendy and Mary and Ruth all kept trying to save him, but everything they did he would try to make "right" himself and get himself and them into even deeper shit. (This is exactly what it's like with bi-polar people until they start taking their meds--they cannot stop themselves.) By the end it was almost a relief when Wendy abandoned him at the restaurant since he was just going to keep going to try to fix things until he got them all killed.

I hope Tom Pelphrey at last gets an Emmy nomination for this. He had the most wonderful hurt eyes when he kept trying to apologize to Wendy and Ruth.

100% agreed, R245. And his monologue in the back of that cab at the start of the 8th or 9th episode was brilliant.

[quote] Then Ruth idiotically proceeded to be okay with him being off his meds and then angry with Marty and Wendy for trying to get him back on his meds and finally at them for his death.

I don't think that's really Ruth's fault--she only about 20 or 21 year old, and she has obviously never dealt with someone who is bi-polar before.

Even if someone tells you what bi-polar people are like when they're having an episode, you don't really believe it until you've actually dealt with someone who has one. (This is one of the reasons why people call it being crazy--it makes no logical sense to anyone except the person experiencing the episode.) And since BPD usually only manifests itself in late adolescence, many times people don;t deal with peers who have it until they're Ruth's age.

So I would say she was acting ignorantly rather than "idiotically."

Incidentally, was there a point where they talked about Ruth’s education level? I assume as kind of the put upon caretaker of all those men and boys she most likely dropped out of school early to take care of them? Her smarts are street smarts for the most part, and being back woods I think she would be very unaware of biopolar issues unless there was a family member. Julia Garner is one of my favorite young actresses, she is just so captivating to watch, I hope she becomes a big film star.

R248 It was mentioned Ruth only had a 9th grade education.

Watching Julia be interviewed is bizarre. She does such a great job in Ozark that it’s startling to see how different she really is from the Ruth character.

Just finished the third season.

It is very unlikely Erin will not tell her father about her mother's cartel work, especially when she finds out her mother has disappeared, so they'll have to deal with that next season. (Navarro will not know that Erin found out about Helen, because Helen would never have told him--and Nelson does not seem to know, either.) Also the show will have to deal with Jonah finding out the truth that his mother ratted out where his uncle was so the mob killed him. he will definitely tell Charlotte about this too, but he was much closer to Ben than she was. I doubt he would turn fully on his mother, though.

It does need to end in a season or two as a show, though. It's pretty hard for me to believe so many things have happened so far without the FBI having the proper goods on the Byrdes, or that the Byrdes have not turned to witness protection given how endangered they constantly are.

R250 I can see it lasting a few more seasons with Ruth Langmore getting a spin off series.

"It is very unlikely Erin will not tell her father about her mother's cartel work, especially when she finds out her mother has disappeared, so they'll have to deal with that next season."

Deal with what exactly? I'm pretty sure the FBI knew who Helen was and are also well aware of the Byrdes. The problem is they can't prove anything (yet). I think it was more important for Helen to hide who she really was to her children and not the police. Her boss won't care either since she's dead now and the kids had no first hand information.

Where are the cute men in this show? Bateman comes close.

His decent did seem bizarre R194. I assume that they were trying to pound home the point that he needed to take his medication to stay "normal", hence Wendy loosing it the very first sign of his skipping medication. But yes - he was clearly stupid to pull what he pulled at the charity event and even more so when confronting Helen and her daughter. Any 5 yoa living in the Byrde house for a few days would have known that was an assured death sentence.

R194 I think it was pretty spot on. I think you would only understand if you know someone that is bipolar or schizophrenic and have seen first hand what they act like during an episode when they are not on medication. I had a bipolar cousin that would behave just like Ben during an episode ( except he would get ultra religious and yell that he was seeing “bad spirits”) He would be hospitalized for weeks after each episode.

There was, of course, some good irony in Ben's meltdown - yes, he was increasingly crazy and unstable, but at the same time his outrage was totally valid! What normal person wouldn't be totally and justifiably appalled to find out that their seemingly normal family were in fact major money launderers for a Mexican cartel, that they were implicated in multiple deaths, that even their children knew about it, and so forth. In some ways Ben's response was the sane one, but of course where the crazy enters into it is that he couldn't see that the only truly sensible response would have been to keep quiet about it because it's completely foolhardy to piss off a drug cartel.

They should have kept Ben only cute one on the show. They could have just played him off as crazy so pay no attention to his rantings.

Owning a morgue is convenient for them. I notice they showed the chipper. People think that once your are cremated its all simple fin ash. It's not. The have to grind up the bones in a chipper. And woman with big silicone implants leave a big goo blob they have to scrape off the bottom of the oven.

R258 Little worried how you know that.

I’ve always said if you are going for an interview/audition it’s always best to be one of the first or one of the last people and this seems to confirm it holds true.

I just don’t understand an article like this? It’s long, really long for contemporary articles. And it says....nothing, please don’t even read it’s not worth your time. This shows been out for weeks, why have this now, a minor plot point, who’s going to watch it for this? Have an article about at what point does Wendy deem it necessary to kill her brother. Lots of discussion and theory there. But this? And from UK?

That is terrifying, r258.

They got the process down. Notice the skull they have to break up and then grind. It's not the ashes to ashes romantic notion people think it is.

[quote]big silicone implants leave a big goo blob

Pics please.

Still lots of bones left after the cremation in that video, but this still seems to be the best way to get rid of a body (and the teeth). I wonder how many crime families or cartels own a crematorium in the country. Much cleaner than chopping up bodies in a slaughter house, acid and more effective than burying them in the desert or plunge them in a lake or the sea.

Ozark star opens up about "on-screen chemistry" in season 3:

R266. Is this the start of the Emmy campaign?

I just binged all three seasons and I’m going through withdrawal.

I disagree that the writing dropped off for season 3. I liked the brother’s story, though given the potential for a relapse, it’s hard to believe they wouldn’t have found a way to get him out of there for his own safety.

The look Janet McTeer gives the brother after he tells the daughter the truth was terrifying.

I don’t quite get the end. Helen was a pretty valuable resource and I’m sure she could have played nice with the Byrds. Seems an awful waste just to make a point.

R268 - I somewhat agree. Although that ending was such a kick in the pants, it did feel like it was there partially just for dramatic effect.

At the end of the day, her client felt that she was going to end up being a threat to the Byrds and they were his key to continued survival, so he made a brutal choice.

[quote] Also, I don't believe in the real world Darlene could ever get away with as many murders as she commits on the show.

She owns the police chief.

What does Darlene have on that police chief?

We don’t know.

I was going too say maybe she knows he’s a big bull dyke in disguise... but then I thought that wouldn’t be kind.

This season had too many casual deaths/murders to suspend my disbelief. The body count thus far is pretty high. And I miss the Rachel character.

R274 I loathed Rachel. She was a huge reason why season 2 was lacking. I wish the cartel just killed her.

I just discovered this show. It’s great. I’m surprised that I liked it, from the title. Also surprised that I like Laura Linney in it.

Can't wait!

^^ Seconded! Glad to hear they'll be going out while the show is still great, rather than dragging it out past its best-before date.

Best show on TV (or whatever)!

2021? I doubt we'll get any new episodes before 2022. Ugh.

Just binged all three seasons. Season 3 definitely inconsistent in tone and character development but still really enjoyed this. Glad we get more. I think Jonah is going to be their undoing in the end.

I could not get past the first 4 episodes of season one. I hated those damned kids so much for allowing all that money to get stolen

I liked the crazy brother in the last season, I wish they hadn't killed him off. He was very easy on the eyes.

I’ve developed a thing for Jason Bateman in this. Maybe tense and taut appeals to me...

R280 I hope sooner than 2022! Production is supposed to begin in November. Fingers crossed.

I hate that they killed off Helen.

We need more Darleene Snell. She made me afraid to use the word hillbilly ever again! Damn she is hardcore and a wackjob with that baby shit.

Bring back Ben from the dead, there was something sexy about him that was not the same as Jason's 40 year old boy look.

R286 I think the character had run its course. McTeer was brilliant as Helen but had too much screen time in Season 3 and attempts to humanise her via irrelevant ex husband and brat story were superfluous. I do wonder if the FBI docs in her briefcase will come back to haunt them.

Ruth won an Emmy!!

💗 Ruth Emmy win. Garner is great in this role.