Michael Jackson's Neverland Ranch Off the market after failing to sell for 5 years

The should fumigate the place of boy and exotic animal DNA then turn it into a big old B&B.

It’s basically a small theme park, so the annual cost to maintain it must be obscene. Also, the cottage of blazing lights with flowery landscaping looks like something out of a Thomas Kinkade painting or Ari Aster film. Too creepy.

Raze it. Turn it into a state park. Then build a memorial to all the lives destroyed by that child rapist.

It's in the middle of nowhere.

Countdown to the mysterious electrical fire...

Love that area (Santa Ynez) but wouldnt want it even if I could afford it. Too much bad juju at that house.

It needs no be razed with fire and the earth salted.

Surprised no one has subdivided it. 2,700 acres is huge, must be facing rezoning problems.

They said millions have been spent on renovations, but I dont see it. They must be talking about the grounds or cooling heating systems for the home. The interior has not changed a bit, it still looks the same as it was in the when 90s he lived there. Horrible.

Burn it to the ground.

r8 must be right. There must be issues with rezoning it so that the land can be subdivided and houses built on it. The area is beautiful, so I don’t k ow what the issue is.

Datalounge Retirement Home.

Very Shady Pines. (But use the Spanish word: Pinos.)

Just like the Michael Jordan house in Highland Park, IL, Neverland is too big and too costly to maintain. They are structures that represent a different time (late 80s/early 90s) and they both should be completely razed.

I’ll give them a hundred and seventeen dollars for it!

Well, it’s more than they’re getting for it now ....

Foreverland Animal Sanctuary, run by lesbians.

r14 You couldn't even afford the property taxes for the first year.

But I'm really looking for a bedroom that has 12 locks and a bell for my security.

If you were the private investment firm, it probably makes sense to play the long game at this point and wait for his image to be rehabilitated, which it inevitably will be. It's too inconvenient for the culture at large to have MJ's public image in the dog house.

Well r18 you must be talking extremely long game. Michael Jackson has already been dead for ten years. If they wait another 10 the house will definitely need to be knocked down.

I just don’t care.

W&W for R12.

Wine country, but also ongoing water shortages, so there may be an issue with enough water rights for agriculture. These days wildfires are such a huge issue that having a place like that among all those dry hills is just a bonfire waiting to happen.

What was it before MJ bought it?

It’s sad that so many of the big 80s stars became criminal or dysfunctional messes: MJ, Cosby, Whitney, George Michael,—and now Madonna. So much for aging gracefully and retiring from the spotlight. It’s hard to be nostalgic sometimes when artists you loved back in the day come up and all you feel is disgusted or disappointed.

R3 said it best

Madonna wants to buy it and turn it into an orphanage for unfortunate tots....

What is a Disney themed train station and why would a property need one?

I'm trying to get the U.S. Government to buy it to house immigrant children seeking asylum

There are some attractive features of the house and the grounds are lovely but the stench of Jackson is never going to fully diminish (and they even used Bon Ami!) So... best to make it some type of sanctuary, something that truly does benefit children that have been abused would be appropriate.

I don't think that the inability to sell has anything to do with MJ.

As others said here, it's the size of the property, the availability of water, the property taxes, and probably a host of other problems.

Never mind, the ridiculous asking price.

Not sure what they can do to make the place attractive, short of tearing down all of the structures on the property, and turning it into a farm.

[quote]it probably makes sense to play the long game at this point and wait for his image to be rehabilitated, which it inevitably will be.

The only way they can do that is if they go backward in time. If they go backward in time, teach him to keep his unoccupied hands to himself and then he probably would still be living there peacefully today.

Some Manson Family types will start squatting there, and then, well...

Why did Michael Jackson default on the loan? He didn’t have $19 mil to just buy the place?

$31 million?

A mere bag of shells.

The ATMs were closed at the time, Rose.

If the Jacksons still owned it, it would’ve been sold for scrap years ago. They care nothing for sentimentality, just cash.

Why is this company holding on to it? Bad business decision. Enough is enough, get rid of it!

R33, Michael Jackson was notorious for living far beyond his means. In his last years, he continually had business managers forced upon him due to indebtedness, and every one of them was fired or gave up when they would give him some ridiculously high annual allowance like $110 million -- far more money than it sounds like today -- and he would run through it too quickly and then have to come up with some scheme to keep his head above water.

Hard to believe some wealthy Asian MJ superfan hasn't bought it.

Asians tend to be practical and unsentimental and expect solid return for investment.

So did MJ way overpay for it back in '87? I don't get why it's suddenly worth so much less in today's dollars.

I see it going the way of those old resorts you see on YouTube. - huge monstrosities in the middle of nowhere left to the elements and abandoned by the banks - despite multiple attempts to revamp the properties and turn them into something else.

You have no idea what you’re talking about, r41.

We’re just waiting for a simple renovation.

Sounds like a reasonable expectation.

Wow Heritage USA looks like a Disney Chernobyl

If it was owned by a white rock star people would want it.

The first thing I thought of when I saw the pictures was fire. As the gardens become more neglected the chance of one becomes much more likely. The upkeep of just keeping all the vegetation from becoming unruly must be ridiculous. The cost of running a working theme park must have been astronomical.

[quote]he continually had business managers forced upon him due to indebtedness, and every one of them was fired or gave up

They’re the business managers - let ‘em manage!

— Canadian... Allied... [Petroleum] Petroleum!

They could sell it to the state and turn it into a kind of pedo version of the Winchester Mystery House. Sounds like all the hidden chambers, passageways, motion sensors, alarm bells, weird dolls, etc would be equally interesting and creepy.

Jeff Bezos should buy it, since he's wasting money on California properties at the moment.

Or maybe Elon Musk should buy it, and turn it into a launch center for space flights.

For either of them, the cost would be like pocket change.

And California would make any pesky zoning laws and property taxes go away, for either of those guys.

R49, if anyone like that wanted it, they would wait until the house and other improvements are so far gone the price drops dramatically, and then they would buy it, raze everything, make it unrecognizable, move the entrance, change the address, and do everything possible to make everyone forget Michael Jackson was ever there.

I think the main issue (well, apart from maintenance) is location and the sordid reputation.

Who would pay for the privilege of owning a property with such an icky history of pedophilia? Spooky murder houses and such have a better chance of selling.

Commercial use is out of the question, because the property is in the middle of nowhere. And you can get cheaper sales elsewhere.

I think this particular property will only sell on a price based on the ground acre value. Not based on its sordid history or who owned it (Michael Jackson). Maybe some uber ambitioned New Age Guru will buy it and build a New Age resort and make a big deal about cleansing the area with some witch crafty New Age ritual.

I'm just pointing out this bit of OP's article:

"Kyle Forsyth of Compass, one of the former listing agents for the ranch, told Business Insider that the agents representing the ranch found interested potential buyers, but no deal could be reached with the seller, Colony Capital."

So there are potential buyers, but the mortgage lender gave MJ too much money on it and now they don't want to eat the inevitable loss.

I wonder how long it will take them to decide to let it go for market rate, because they ain't never getting that money back they gave Michael.

R48 that is some seriously icky reading. Surely, a contractor involved in installing the secret rooms and whatnot could have tipped off the police?

Tipped off the police to what, r53? You think he was molesting kids right in front of the guy?

A contractor hired by a famously eccentric millionaire who asks to install a labyrinth of tunnels and secret passageways in his home doesn’t bat an eye. How would he know why he wanted them installed? Maybe it was for private access to his wine cellar for all he knew.

Let’s say he calls the cops:

“Yes sir, what can we help you with?”

“This guy asked me to build tunnels in his house. Tunnels!”

“OK sir, but that’s not a crime.”

Hindsight is always 20/20.

Nobody goes to that extent, r50.

Shit hole.

Trump Presidential Library site?

R54 no, moron. However, one way glass into bedrooms, secret alarms, his reputation by the that time. Jesus, why are there so many arseholes on this site. At least be witty when you’re being a cunt.

Pedo Palace

R58, when were the tunnels, alarms and one way glass installed?

I’m really shocked that it hasn’t burned to the ground for the insurance money.

[quote] I’m really shocked that it hasn’t burned to the ground for the insurance money.

No insurance company is that stupid.

They should build section 8 apartments on the land and call it the" Jackson Arms"

Dark and cheerless. Demolition would be expensive as would trying to subdivide given the utilities. I'm assuming the owner is some vulture capital firm that bought it assuming it could write-off the losses.

You could turn it into a cattle ranch. I don’t think cows are going to give sour milk just because Michael Jackson’s ghost is gonna come up and go BOO!

[quote] abused him in a private box in Neverland’s movie theatre which had a one-way glass so no one could see inside.

r58 To be fair putting a one way mirror in a movie theater would be less alarming to contractors than installing one into a Peter Pan themed bedroom.

R64, this is from OP's post: "Kyle Forsyth of Compass, one of the former listing agents for the ranch, told Business Insider that the agents representing the ranch found interested potential buyers, but no deal could be reached with the seller, Colony Capital."

Then: "Jackson, who bought the property for $19.5 million in 1987, defaulted on a loan after financial hardships and entered Neverland into an ownership agreement with Colony Capital in 2008 for $23 million, according to ABC News."

So it actually sounds like the owner group gave MJ more than it was worth, then with his death it became an albatross, and now they can't unload it for anything close to their investment. Their strategy was banking on MJ being alive, and because he loved the property so much, they thought he would buy it back or at least it would be enough of an attraction to his fans to earn their money back. Oops!

Following his death in 2009, authorities searched his property that was reportedly littered with porn and creepy child dummies, as well as secret 'abuse' chambers.

If MJ couldn’t pay for the upkeep on it, then who can?

I want Jeff Bezos to buy the property for me.

That's chump change for him.

PLEASE, JEFFY!!!!

EWWW SUCH FILTH!!!!!

“And you knew he wet himself — the place reeked.” Maid No. 3 said Jacko’s bed, as well as a sofa in the living room, once became infested with bedbugs. “He said, ‘Get them the hell out of here. Call the exterminator,’ ” she recalled. “He said we should do a better job, and he said he knew that we came from poor countries so we were used to bedbugs, but he couldn’t live with them.

“Everybody he brought in to clean, and sometimes we’d even get cleaning services to come in for the extra help. Everybody was repulsed. His bedroom smelled horrible. If everyone else was like me, they hated going in there.”

Is that classic behavior for an abuse victim, R72?

Or just mental illness?

I miss him...

"They could sell it to the state and turn it into a kind of pedo version of the Winchester Mystery House."

Except that the Winchester Mystery House is in the heart of San Jose, where there are few other tourist attractions, and the Neverland Ranch is miles from anywhere. It's like the Hearst Castle, except it's not actually worth seeing.

Wetting the bed is disgusting.

Wildlife sanctuary?

The place should be turned into retirement villages for low-income and childless LGBT seniors.

That way the land will be put to good use, LGBT seniors will have a nice life in a beautiful area, services will spring up and provide jobs for the locals, and nobody will be bringing children onto land that has child-centric bad juju.

R74 = Junkie Lisa Marie

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Sell it at market value, and use it to pay for settlements against MJ's estate.

Problem solved.

Actually, R80, I wonder it'd cost to rent the main house for the month of October?

R80 I have that backpack

I know he didn’t die at Neverland, but might there be a chance that he’s haunting the residence? Maybe they need to perform an exorcism on the house and bury a St. Joesph statue in the garden?

r81 I looked up the location of the Ranch on maps and somewhat hilariously there are two schools right next to the estate. Their PR must have been fun in the 90s and 2000s.

What ever became of that big cat rescue sanctuary that Tippi Hendren was running, maybe they could set it up there? Or better yet a sanctuary for rescued primates, that would be poetic irony for the many years Bubbles was enslaved by MJ.

It is unnerving how much Neverland does seem to be stylized after Thomas Kinkade’s paintings. He’s another bastard I imagine to have dark, dark secrets in his closets.

It's very obvious why Michael Jackson wanted to live in the middle of nowhere, with no neighbors nearby. Sick motherfucker.

I was just about to ask that question, R88.

If it was such a bad property investment, why in the hell would MJ want to buy a crappy piece of land, in the middle of nowhere?

Kill it with fire.

It’s telling that he was obsessed with the Disney version of [italic]Peter Pan[/italic], and that’s one of the ones that constantly gets chided for “outdated cultural depictions.”

[quote]why in the hell would MJ want to buy a crappy piece of land, in the middle of nowhere?

"Privacy."

Before you judge me, try hard to love me Look within your heart then ask Have you seen my Childhood?

I’m looking at the Man In The Two-Way Mirror I’m asking him to change his ways...

In Sycamore Valley Ranch, no one can hear you scream.

R93 Hahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I am glad they cannot sell it. He is the most famous pedophile in history. The land doesn’t even seem suitable for home development. Why would anyone want the stank of a child rapist?

They could raze it but if they built homes on it he’d come back and want to play with the kids.

r78 There aren't enough quality medical facilities nearby for a senior place.

They should just revitalize the amusement park and rename it NAMBLA-Land.

It’s too creepy to live in.

Maybe he was innocent and simply loved children and died of a broken heart. 💔

Still funny af

Well, everyone is always wringing their hands on what to do with all the homeless.

I'm surprised that Corey Feldman hasn't tried to buy it, despite that he probably has no money.

Does the home come with the nightmarish decor?

You’d need sages, Catholic Exorcists, Wiccans, Kabbalists, and a shitload of bleach purifying the joint before making Neverland sellable.

Just like Cosby, another racist conspiracy to destroy powerful black men.

Michael died for your sins, America.

R98, only in this case I guess we’d tell them to go into the light.

Buying this place would be akin to buying a home where a serial killer tortured and killed his victims.

Just like the house at 10500 Cielo Drive, Los Angeles was, this place needs to be razed completely.

The most despicable thing is he destroyed the childhood of many children using his own “stolen” childhood as a cover.

WeHo queens playing straight jocks lol

Oops wrong thread

Is that a real painting from Wacko's house, R106? Or just some kooky fan art?

r114, that was an actual painting he owned

[quote] I'm surprised that Corey Feldman hasn't tried to buy it, despite that he probably has no money.

I don't even think Emmanuel Lewis would loan him money even if he had any to loan.

His children are flush in cash, since Jackson's record sales exploded once he died

[quote]Buying this place would be akin to buying a home where a serial killer tortured and killed his victims. Just like the house at 10500 Cielo Drive, Los Angeles was, this place needs to be razed completely.

The producer of [italic]Full House[/italic] once owned that house, which isn't surprising in the least knowing what we know now.

More about the weird paintings that MJ commissioned:

10500 was torn down in the mid-90s. Jeff Franklin, the creator of Full House, built an unbelievably tacky mega-mansion on the property.

r103 Those retarded fans, JFC. "He came in his pajamas...I saw him.... I was right here. Right here."

Just torch that land. There are so many demonic entities there that it should never be inhabited by anyone.

[quote] Why did Michael Jackson default on the loan? He didn’t have $19 mil to just buy the place?

Considering that he died $400 million in debt, I think the answer to that would be “no.”

Why would anyone want to live in that accursed place? The bad karma must be stupefying. The only thing to do is destroy it all. Wow, it would be so satisfying to see Michael Jackson's perverted playground blown to bits. After everything is destroyed the only sensible thing to do is let the property go back to nature, like what happened at Jonestown in Guyana. The place where Jonestown stood has gone back to the jungle. So let it be with Neverland. Destroy all the properties on it and let God take care of the rest.

Do you think Michael Jackson is in hell?

I saw a documentary on neverland. It said only a tiny portion of the land is useable and all the water has to be brought in. The water seems to be the non selling point.

Maybe Richard Madden could buy it and take his twinks there? I bet they’d love the train.

[quote]only a tiny portion of the land is useable

...could you elaborate? "Usable" for what?

I'm also of the opinion that all the man-made structures should be razed to the ground and the land turned into a nature preserve.

Either that, or turned into a wildlife sanctuary for exotic animals rescued from the exotic pet trade or retired from the circus/entertainment industry.

At least that'll atone for the wrongdoings committed against the poor animals that were kept prisoner in this godforsaken place.

Btw, I was gonna add that if the land becomes a wildlife sanctuary or nature preserve, that's also an opportunity for it to be an education center—the kind of place where schools take children to on field trips.

But on second thought, I'm with the other poster(s) who said that this place should never have anything to with children again.

At the time of Michael's death, he was actually working on putting a business together. It was going to be Michael Jackson branded merchandise, that was going to be sold on a new MJ Merchandise ecommerce website.

It was going to be like what the Kardashians are doing now, with "DTC" "Direct To Consumer." That would've been really lucrative and could have potentially become a billion dollar company, just selling high quality produced MJ products. It worked for Kylie Jenner. And Kim is also making a huge killing with the "DTC" business model.

After he died, everything went to chaos and feel apart because his death was completely unexpected. I remember some of the ideas I heard at the time sounded really good, and I bet it would've been a huge success. It probably would've completely whipped out his $400 million dollar debt he was in. And put him back deep in the black again.

But his estate ended up making a tone of money anyway after he died. Michael didn't want to preform anymore. And if his business had been a success if it had launched, his days preforming would have been over. He was looking for business success to give him a way out of showbiz. I think he just wanted to live his life without having to worry about preforming or $$$. He just wanted to enjoy his life at that point. No more showbiz.

[quote]his death was completely unexpected.

Not completely.

"His children are flush in cash, since Jackson's record sales exploded once he died"

Here's what I don't understand. Why don't his kids buy the place.

They have a shit ton of money, and it's my understanding that the debts of the estate were wiped out a while ago.

Maybe they don't want it?

[quote] It probably would've completely whipped out his $400 million dollar debt he was in.

That would’ve been cool.

[quote] I think he just wanted to live his life without having to worry about preforming or $$$.

He never would’ve been in the position to not worry about money, whether he wanted to PERform or not.

He spent untold millions consistently that he didn’t have, and people around him would never tell him no.

See also: Murray, Conrad.

R132, Neverland is in the middle of nowhere, although the real estate is valuable. What young person would want to live there?

[quote] It was going to be Michael Jackson branded merchandise, that was going to be sold on a new MJ Merchandise ecommerce website.

I doubt that there was any great demand for Michael Jackson merchandise at that time. He’d fucked up his brand pretty well. Combined with his complete lack of any sense of financial restraint it would never have been all that successful.

[quote]After he died, everything went to chaos and feel apart because his death was completely unexpected.

He appeared to be close to death for several years.

[quote]I doubt that there was any great demand for Michael Jackson merchandise at that time. He’d fucked up his brand pretty well.

People forget how uncool Michael Jackson was in the 10 or so years before he died, or at least since he bleached baby Prince's hair so he would better resemble Macaulay Culkin and since he dangled Blanket out the window. His post-Thriller albums had that early-CD, tinny sound that SONY struggled with. The music scene in the 1990s was turning to electronic house music and indie rock and hip-hop. He was kind of a musical dinosaur, his eccentricities were increasingly alarming and his fans were batshit. The child molestation claims topped it off.

Of course when he died people felt so sorry for him and remembered that Off The Wall is one of the all-time great party albums.

If all the batshit insanity, his obsession with the kid who played the lead in “Oliver!” was the grossest, IMO. Supposedly MJ banked that guy’s sperm so that he could father one of MJ’s kids. He allegedly wanted his own little Mark Lester to do with as he pleased. Allegedly!

[quote]his obsession with the kid who played the lead in “Oliver!” was the grossest, IMO.

If you look at his pictures from the last decade of his life, it's like he was trying to look like Lester in that film.

R141 Post-op MJ looked more like Jack Wild (the Artful Dodger) - they had the same pixie face. Maybe MJ fantasized over “Oliver!” because he got stuck in a Dickensian fantasy after seeing the movie, due to his F’d up childhood.

Prince Jackson has that round Polish head but he has vertigo so he's Jackson's son.

Paris Jackson is a mess and Blanket (Prince II) couldn't even get his own name, how lazy was Michael Jackson.

I wonder why he only had three kids?

R143 I think you mean Prince Jackson has “vitiligo,” unless he developed “vertigo” after the hotel balcony incident.

None of them are Jackson’s children.

I’m sure he had the receipts for how much he paid for them. So they were “his” 😬

"At the time of Michael's death, he was actually working on putting a business together. It was going to be Michael Jackson branded merchandise, that was going to be sold on a new MJ Merchandise ecommerce website. "

Was this to be part of the tour that Jackson was too sick to possibly complete? No, Jackson was considered desperately uncool at the time, with his plastic surgery and pedo allegations and frowsy wigs and the same fashions from his heyday and his sickly scrawny body that couldn't dance any more, and the drug addiction that wasn't secret, and which was about to kill him. The tour would have been a disaster, Jackson was too far gone to be able to perform, and I still think it's possible that the people behind the tour hired Conrad Murray to make sure they could collect the insurance instead of losing money on cancelled shows.

In those days, the MJ Fandom was reduced to a few nutters who never talked about the sickly Jackson of the 2000s, but the cool young Jackson of the seventies and eighties. (I know, because I tried trolling them, but they were just too sad.) There weren't any fortunes to be made out of those losers, and the mainstream was through with him at that point. Of course now the mainstream has rediscovered the music, which is why the Jackson Estate is still so desperate to keep the truth about him from coming out.

[quote] The tour would have been a disaster, Jackson was too far gone to be able to perform,

No entertainer would do this to their fans.

It's adorable that some of you think Jackson used his own DNA to father those kids.

[quote] If all the batshit insanity, his obsession with the kid who played the lead in “Oliver!” was the grossest, IMO. Supposedly MJ banked that guy’s sperm so that he could father one of MJ’s kids. He allegedly wanted his own little Mark Lester to do with as he pleased. Allegedly!

This makes me think he was asexual if he couldn't even get his wife pregnant.

If you watch this, you’ll see it would have been physically impossible for MJ to tour.

R150 - PIV sex is not necessary - he could have watched Home Alone while jerking into a turkey baster. The reason he refused: he did not want an “ugly” kid with a broad nose.

[quote]This makes me think he was asexual if he couldn't even get his wife pregnant.

He only interested in sex with young boys.

[quote][R150] - PIV sex is not necessary - he could have watched Home Alone while jerking into a turkey baster.

Since when were Harry and Marv gay lovers?

Prince and Paris are the children of Arnie Klein.

There is no evidence that Michael Jackson ever had intimate relations with another adult, male or female. Zero. Nada. The Neverland staff all confirmed that the only overnight guests Jackson had in his bedroom were pre-teen boys. He was a very sick man.

Didn’t Lisa Marie say they had a normal marriage? (Normal for Jacko I guess.) She implied that included sex.

Their "marriage" didn't even last a couple of years, so how happy could it have been?

Lisa Marie was lying to save face. The Neverland staff said they never shared a room.

[quote]Didn’t Lisa Marie say they had a normal marriage? (Normal for Jacko I guess.) She implied that included sex.

She’s a liar who got a big paycheck from Jackson, to feed her drug habit.

R144 are reasons why I visit the DL.

Which child was dangled off the hotel balcony? I remember that was a huge news story when it happened, because everybody was horrified that Jackson did that.

[quote]Which child was dangled off the hotel balcony?

It was Blanket.

That's not even funny. That's just ignorant.

Catholic boys' camp - they could timeshare with the Boy Scouts.

Blanket Prince II actually looks like he could be MJ’s bio kid. Compare their childhood pictures.

They don't look anything alike

Here's what happened to Blanket

Here's what happened to Blanket

Perhaps Matt Damon would be interested?

R32, according to former Jackson employees, Jackson was the squatter.

Allegedly, he would literally pull down his pants and defecate and/or urinate right on the wood, floors, carpets, rugs, tiles, etc.

One housekeeper said she had to pick up his feces stained underwear and pants regularly, and was constantly disinfecting the floors from MJ’s bodily fluids/matter.

MJ was was a helluva sick dude. No way would I buy that property without plans to raze that mansion to the ground. I don’t believe that’s an issue for most buyers.

WTF how do people get like that? 🐷

Jackson was filthy and unhygenic. If he didn't have an army of housekeepers to clean up after him every five minutes, that house would've looked like the shitpile houses you see on Hoarders.

The posters on this thread are gullible assholes. No wonder yellow journalism is such a lucrative business.

On DL, if you say it, it's automatically the truth unfortunately.

You all keep saying Michael was a has been at the time of his death. But keep leaving out the fact that he had 50 London concerts completely sold out at the London 02 arena. That's fucking huge. I believe that's the biggest venue they have in London, and for Michael Jackson to be able to sell it out was not a surprise to me. He's MICHAEL JACKSON for crying out loud, of course he was going to have a sold out residency.

And I bet he would've made a killing off of his merchandise too. They had a huge PR team in place who specialized in marketing and business data analytics research. They were looking to make big $$$ off of that merchandise. That was going to become his main source of income after the o2 residency. It was going to launch right before of during the tour.

You all are so quick to down MJ, but madonna is having a hard time keeping her concert schedules these days. That type of shit never happened with Michael. He was known for being professional on show nights. He knew the fans were the reason he existed. To. Ad madonna doesn't understand that.

Lots of historian revisionism going on in this thread.

Michael Jackson would NEVER have been able to complete those London concerts. It's insane that he was committed to do all those shows when he was obviously a wreck physically. He was a fucking drug addict, addicted to propofol and God knows what else. HE never would have been able to do it.

I agree he never would have been able to finish those concerts, but r175 is right, although many were creeped out by him, he was still perhaps the biggest megastar on the planet even then.

It's odd there is no water in NR, there are agriculture fields nearby and portions of the ranch are heavily treed.

He was still a big media personality but as a musical artist he was a joke. Of course people would want to go see him; he was a curiosity, a freak. I think the people who would have gone to those concerts would have gone to see if could even make it through them. Kind of reminds me of Judy Garland; people would go to her concerts in her later years just to see the train wreck, since her voice was pretty much shot.

Neverland is owned by Colony Capitol, which is owned and operated by close Trump ally, Thomas Barrack. He was a senior adviser to the Trump campaign AND head of the Presidential Inaugural Committee, which has had its own issues with shady money, subpoenas, Michael Cohen and more.

So I’m intrigued now that MJ was probably never going to be able to fulfill his contract in London if his health was so precarious. Was that the plan all along to self destruct there? Obviously there were all kinds of insurance payoffs setup if he was to ill to preform, and then dying on top of that there had to be coverage for that as well. What was the payoff for him not being alive to perform and how much and who did it pay out to?

It doesn’t matter why, r179, the fact is he sold out 50 shows in pretty much record time. Money doesn’t care why you spend—it doesn’t care that you’re a musical joke (hah I know that’s a mixed metaphor)...It reminds me of the reason people who liked Howard Stern listened: “I want to hear what he says next.” The people who hated Howard Stern and listened? “I want to hear what he says next.”

[quote]Obviously there were all kinds of insurance payoffs setup if he was to ill to preform,

Oh fucking DEAR!

So who is paying for all the upkeep on this place while it’s unsold? Sounds like a money pit. They should have just turned it into a museum or razed it and try selling the land in smaller parcels.

MJ was a curiosity and a tabloid fixture for years before his death. He was a train wreck, nobody in the mainstream had interest in him as an artist.

You can't just sell off land like that in smaller parcels without rezoning and approvals.

This area was hit hardest by the drought a few years back--that means there are going to be major issues with additional water rights. So, no water for a suburban subdevelopment that's near nothing, insufficient water for a vineyard.

So, maybe cattle ranching, but that's not that lucrative.

It's basically a gentleman's ranch set-up--a place where you live a lifestyle that's paid for by other investments. At which point, you look for pieces of property that don't have useless amusement park gadgets and dark associations.

Yes, who would want the amusement park and the train and all of that other shit? It would cost a lot of get rid of that.

As others have said, it's in the middle of fucking nowhere and has water shortages. A giant money pit nobody wants to deal with.

Amusement park rides. A zoo. A movie theater. A candy store. Toys and games. Neverland was a child's paradise, which it was meant to be. Pedophiles entice their victims that way, offering them things they like in order to gain their trust. When it came to his victim's parents Jackson enticed THEM, too. He gave them Cartier jewels, expensive trips, fine wines; they would, for a time, exist in a "fairytale", being the guest of Michael Jackson and meeting his famous friends (one victim's mother swooned over meeting Sean Connery). He would gain THEIR trust and they allowed him to take their little boys into his bedroom and into his bed. All this truly boggles the mind. But it happened. I think the parents of the kids Jackson molested were as bad as he was.

Jackson was just such a mental defective. Buying all this useless shit that has no market value. No wonder he lost all his money and was so far in debt.

R189 MJ was an arrogant pedophile who felt invincible.

[quote]Amusement park rides. A zoo. A movie theater. A candy store. Toys and games.

No mall? Dealbreaker.

[quote]Neverland is owned by Colony Capitol, which is owned and operated by close Trump ally, Thomas Barrack. He was a senior adviser to the Trump campaign AND head of the Presidential Inaugural Committee, which has had its own issues with shady money, subpoenas, Michael Cohen and more.

I smell WESTERN WHITE HOUSE!

Everything is so obvious looking back, it really is amazing people weren't more aware of what was going on. Jackson was basically a textbook case.

I'm not sure I agree with that, R179. True, some people may have attended for the trainwreck aspect. But he also had a lot of obsessive fans who seemed to truly believe he was the be-all and end-all of music.

Apparently he molested a kid in the train station so the train is tainted

Imagine this ghost coming out of the darkness at night. Scary!

R196 even worse, imagine being a kid and waking up to that face next to you! Talk about PTSD!

R193, I totally agree. MJ was just an OTT version of the creepy neighbor with the swimming pool and expensive video game system and a kitchen full of junk food, trying to lure the neighborhood kids into his lair. It was obvious then that Jackson was a pedophile, and it's even more obvious now in the wake of the Leaving Neverland documentary.

People made dumb excuses for MJ just like they defend Trump these days.

[quote] imagine being a kid and waking up to that face next to you! Talk about PTSD!

Even back when I believed MJ really was a naive man-child and his sleepovers were innocent (I know, I know, I was young and gullible as fuck) I still found the mental image of a bunch of kids sleeping beside that creature downright creepy.

R193 I'm not trying to defend Wacko Jacko here, but wasn't it revealed later that the train station was erected years after the supposed molestation there took place?

Sorry, that post was meant for R195.

The man was found innocent twice.

If a child was molested, no parent would settle for money, especially since the could get that with a criminal conviction.

You all are racist.

R203, you are a very unimaginative troll.

The only good thing that came out of the whole sick Michael Jackson mess is that this kind of thing could never happen again with another famous person. If any adult celeb had little boys around him constantly these days, people would immediately know what was up. The type of behavior that Jackson got away with - right in the middle of the public eye -would never be tolerated in today's world.

T174/130, there's no way Jackson's tour could have been anything but an all-around disaster. He was too sick and frail to perform well, or even to show up for half the performances. Any fans who actually got to see him stagger through his old moves would have left disappointed, and in no mood to buy merchandise.

Of course there would have been some sales, memorabilia from a performer's last tour usually rises in value after the performer dies, and some speculators would have gotten some things. Which reminds me, I simply MUST buy some Madonna 2020 tour crap...

I guess it was James C who was getting molested in the train station

Oops--James S.

Well, that's one of the reasons it's so difficult to get a conviction for pedophilia. Unless the perp is stupid enough to put a permanent record on film, the only witnesses are a child and someone who'll never admit the truth.

If anyone here thinks the "train station issue" exonerates Jackson, remember something from your childhood in detail... and then get an expensive lawyer to cross-examine you about it.

It will almost certainly be sold eventually for very little and the new owner will raze it to the ground and build a new house on the property. It's prime real estate, but untold horrors took place there--and no one wants to live in a house that looks like the Seven Dwarfs' Cottage, anyway.

It cracks me up they thought they could ever get $100 million for it!

It isn't prime real estate, it's miles away from anything and there are water issues.

This was really good. It's a 1992 long segment from Hard Copy. Too much to mention, aside from one of Michael's chef's saying about Liz Taylor, "she eats everything, although she's on a diet."

R203 BINGO!!! You nailed it. That's all this thread is filled with. Just a bunch of passive micro racist commenters.

Very typical on this site, filled with a bunch of aging gay white men.

I thought I was the only who noticed this bullshit.

Where's the train station troll?

R201 and R203 are the train station trolls.

R215 Shouldn’t it be train station conductors?

R213, you fell for the troll's shit. You are an idiot. Now go kiss the bony ass of Michael Jackson's rotting corpse.

[quote]You all are racist.

Jackson turned himself into a white woman. So how exactly is anyone “racist”?

All aboard the Pedo Express!

I wonder what the names of the train stops were?

Let’s run train

*Let’s run the train

**Let’s RIDE the train —fucking autocorrect

[italic]South Park[/italic] showed child nudity after MJ died, so they’re ones to talk.

South Park is a fucking cartoon.

I hope they watered Michael’s wishing tree

It is kind of surprising that one of MJ's children hasn't bought the place, wasn't it their childhood home?

Either they dont have that kind of change to throw away, or they dont have good memories of the place.

Seems like a money pit x100

Does Jesus Juice still come out of the faucets?

Could the do a nuclear power plant there?

Maybe they’re saving it in case they want to use it for a reboot of [italic]Webster[/italic].

Would give a whole new meaning to Webster’s “men’s toes” lol

And the theme song title lol

R226 or maybe they just have decent financial advisors who explained to them that buying that isolated, run-down moneypit would be a piss-poor investment.

As long as they bring back Chad Allen.

Only if Susan Clark wears her Ziggy Stardust wig.

Seems like the perfect place to film a reality tv show. Maybe something creepy and dark.

I saw in the news today, Blanket just turned 18, and he just bought a $2M house in Calabasas. So I think everyone is buying there own homes.

Their all adults now.

You think Disney will ever remake [italic]Captain EO[/italic]? They'd never be able to find any modern artist who could equal just how big he was in his prime. The special about the opening was longer than the actual movie.

I saw photos the other day of blanket with his aunt Janet, they were on a private plane together headed to Europe.

Wonder what that's about.

They should use it for a reboot of Hansel and Gretel—two lost children happen upon an abandoned estate once owned by a pop star that preyed on children. But he is dead now..or is he????

[quote] So I think everyone is buying there own homes.

Oh, dear!

Was MJ Diana Ross’s kid?

I think that’s what Love Child was about.

[quote]It was going to be like what the Kardashians are doing now, with "DTC" "Direct To Consumer." That would've been really lucrative and could have potentially become a billion dollar company, just selling high quality produced MJ products. It worked for Kylie Jenner.

You...think Kylie Jenner's products are "high quality"?

[quote]I think everyone is buying there own homes. Their all adults now.

DOUBLE DEAR!

R242, MJ probably liked to fantasize about being Diana Ross's secret love child... or being anything but the son of those two monsters. Any kid from a horrible dysfunctional family does.

Maybe that's one reason hd started having plastic surgery, to look more like Diana and less like Joe.

R241 R243 and R244 Fuck all three of you.

Looks pretty. Love the trees near the house. And I can imagine the thrill of having all that land to roam- no brats running through your yard.

Don’t be mad because you were called out on your stupidity, r246.

Check yourself and move on is all you have to do.

R248 Is also Cunt.