** 2020 Iowa Democratic Caucus Election Results ** Part 2

Previous thread.

thanks r1. I hate when people don't link back.

Well give the nice OP a WW then r2

R1 A grateful nation thanks you

OP, could you do an app?

If they need to fill time Steve Kornacki could take off his shirt.

There is something seriously going wrong here.

Whats going on gurl?

Emergency meeting is about to take place in downtown Des Moines over "significantly different results" being reported between app reported numbers and called-in numbers. Per Jeff Zeleny campaign representatives are arriving to this private meeting now.

I knew Bernie’s polling was way over inflated.

Go Pete!!!

Bernie's gonna win

Bernie Bros probably hacked the vote

oh good lord, oh godammit, oh please don't do this fuck up, please Iowa, please America, listen to RuPaul and DON'T FUCK IT UP!!!!

I have better luck with Grindr than the IDP has with this app.

Shawn Sebastian:

I am the caucus secretary for Story County Precinct 1-1. I've been on hold for over an hour to report the results. We have 6 delegates

First Alignment

@BernieSanders - 111

@ewarren

- 82

@PeteButtigieg

- 47

Delegates

Sanders - 2

Warren - 2

Buttigieg 2

The apps don't work so the precinct chairs are texting the results to the country chair who is driving to Iowa Democratic Party HQ right now.

They blew it. Big time.

The voters of tomorrow.

MORE: Polk County precinct chairs are being advised to take pictures of the results and text them over to the Polk County executive director, who is driving them to the HQ, according to a Democratic operative familiar with the situation

Just redo this with paper voting next Monday. Caucusing is dumb

Apparently an Iowa county chair got hung up on on live television on CNN.

You can't make it up.

A precinct captain was waiting an hour on hold to reach headquarters. A woman finally answers but hangs up because the precinct captain was yapping with Wolf Blitzer.

[quote]They blew it. Big time.

It's okay. I can handle blowing no problem.

Cntr Alt Del Iowa, Florida, Ohio off the map?

Iowa sucks

R6 I'm interested in Kornacki's entrance poll

I wish CNN and MSNBC would release their full entrance polls at this point.

"Officials from two Democratic campaigns tell CNN they were told the app to tabulate results had crashed. They said they had not been given any other information."

R21.. I saw that. Hilarious. Fucking Blitzer was trying to talk him into letting CNN listen live when they hung up. Thanks, Wolf.

That thread posted by r15 our beloved Poll Troll is very interesting

Yeah, I heard that r21. Surprised no one else commented on it here on DL. It was astonishing to witness that LIVE on CNN.

Cobbling together the partial results, it looks like a good night for Pete.

Surprise! I won bitches!

[quote]The fun part of this is Buttigieg has the first of a half-dozen events tomorrow scheduled for 7 am in Nashua, so ultimate day-game- after-a-night-game scenario here.

I'm laughing. I'm not happy, but I'm laughing. Oh, this fucking country is so fucking ridiculous at this point. I'm laughing. But I'm not happy.

Amy’s speeching .going to NH!

[quote]Polk County precinct chairs are being advised to take pictures of the results and text them over to the Polk County executive director, who is driving them to the HQ,

Why would he have to drive texts to the HQ? Why wouldn’t precinct captains just text the HQ?

She's throwing her stapler and shaking!

Klobuchar speaking now. She’s the first to do so (as has been advised by numerous anchors on CNN and MSNBC.) Hitting Trump and the impeachment.

...Biden people bailed and went to Pete or Amy.

Rachel Maddow had a good theory for the delay, since the app wasn't working so well more people called results in than they were expecting instead of using the app and they didn't have the personnel available to take all the phone calls.

R33, I love that Cecile Strong’s impression of Gabbard is more resonate to me than Gabbard herself. That has never been true for me in the past.

Other sites are attributing the faulty app to Robby Mook. Is that really true? (I'm not watching cable.)

R21 what happened? Who hungung up on who?

Dear fucking jeebus r37. Sweet fucking jeebus.

2016 (finally) taught us that voting machines results can be electronically hacked.

So why, in 2020, did they turn simple caucusing results over to an app?

Smart Amy. Act like a winner!

Amy was smart - she's giving a victory speech because no results are in.

r31 Video...

Sorry, better link.

Failed Clinton campaign chair Robby Mook came up with the app that has been such a disaster tonight.

[quote]Shawn Sebastian: I am the caucus secretary for Story County Precinct 1-1. I've been on hold for over an hour to report the results. We have 6 delegates

This idiot was so busy complaining to Wolf Blitzer on LIVE TV! and playing the hold Muzak for CNN, that when the hotline answered in the middle of his whine, you could hear the woman say "Hello, hello" six times and he never even answered her. Then we heard her hang up.

Amy’s hubs not how I pictured

R44, the operator clearly asked for someone to speak and after Sebastian failed to answer, she hung up.

This will be Trump's talking point tomorrow night. Ugh

Has it occurred to the brain trusts at CNN and MSNBC that it might take longer this year than four years ago because then there were only three candidates and this year there are 427 which have to be split up and then regrouped?

Has a Presidential candidate ever been successful with a theme color of green?

Will this be the end of Amy? Wasn't the Corn Belt supposed to be her people?

And we wonder why the republic party wins.

[quote]Other sites are attributing the faulty app to Robby Mook.

Hillary there Amy's comb at him... poked his eye out.

What is she doing? She needs us Midwesterners... don't leave me Amy~

R59 is an idiot.

Oh No. Amy is pulling an all nighter...

And yes the king of Denmark

Every time I hear Klobuchar speak, I like her less and less.

Just when Mook thought he was going to make a comeback.

I can’t get past her treatment of her staff. Nice speech, though.

The staff members that are allowing someone to hold up a poster in front of Amy's face is really going to get it tomorrow.

She would have set Iowa straight. I STILL BELIEVE IN YOU MARIANNE

The party has acknowledged there is a delay, R56, and it has nothing to do with the number of candidates.

Amy has no real appeal outside the Midwest. It's such bullshit that we pander to just that one part of the country with very few people as the only real Americans who's opinion counts as American.

BERNIE

Amy actually looks pretty good

Amy has been on TV all day and looks it.

R49 Thanks! And omg...

You can't blame this on trans.

seriously, if this is actually Robert Mook, can some gay guy slap him from here to South Carolina? Why does that bitch suck so much at everything, and why does everyone keep thinking she doesn't?

K, I'm already up past my bedtime and I don't think they're gonna straighten this out anytime soon. Good night ppl.

Amy shaking that they took the secret stapler away from inside the podium.

Precinct captain Joan Crawford gave them a piece of her mind after she was on hold for over one hour.

But Amy is NAILING her target audience. You have to give her that. It might not be your cup of tea but she is fighting.

Amy is shaking a lot less tonight - did she take her Levodopa?

Amy’s victory speech with NO RESULTS YET!

I love her now. Bish is brassy!

r71 FUCK YEAH! WE ARE WORTHLESS!

seriously, I would put Joan Crawford in charge of this bitch if I thought it could help. What the hell is happening with this goddamn party?

Warren and Biden speaking shortly. Pete and Bernie to go last.

Amy Klobuchar may actually be the least funny person on the planet.

Inconsistencies in the reporting of the three sets of vote totals from each precinct.

R71

A large segment of voters live in that part of the country, and that elitist attitude is what cost us the election last time, so drop it!

Update: There are many precinct chairs still on hold trying to report results. Phone lines are jammed and reporting is going VERY slowly, per source

well in fairness, I think we knew that going in r87

I liked Amy's speech

MSNBC is now interviewing this Sebastian guy from the Wolf Blitzer phone call. He’s STILL on hold.

This is amazing.

Joe!! Go Joe!!

Put that BITCH of a vote tally where a vote tally ought to be!

How many media outlets did Shawn Sebastian run to?

You should see her eat a salad with a comb. Comedy gold. Nathan Lane is going to play her in drag in raucous new Broadway musical, Not-so Funny Girl.

Why are parties so incompetent with technology? The "app" just needs to function as a one-way text message, not too complicated!

She is the REAL Winner

[quote]A precinct captain in Dubuque tells me the app to report results didn’t load and nobody helped her troubleshoot. She’s now on hold with the state party.

[quote][bold]State party assures no hack.[/bold]

Biden and Warren getting onstage now. There won’t be any results tonight. They’re all just giving up and getting on planes for NH.

I love this bitchy gay who's talking to Rachel right now. He's so done with all this.

Pete WILL get the LAST WORD!

Biden cutting off Warren's speech. Lol.

Cannot wait for SNL.

Joe.....Stop reading from your notes!!

But, technology is the king of everything!!! Get it, Boomer!?! I'm not gonna vote on any paper or nuthin' like that. Give me my phone or give me death. I think one of the old presidents from the 60s said that! Or, ya know, whatever. *back to Instagram* Ha...funny Shakira tongue meme...hahaha.

Is there no one the silly little bitch won't complain to?

Too bad while he was talking to Rachel Maddow about how long he's been on hold, Joe Biden's speech started and Rachel had to bow out.

Maybe a DNS server attack?

Biden: “Folks...” 3 times.

Another statement:

I would have thought this app would be stress tested, and everyone trained, well before things got even close to caucus day.

R98 Russian Bernie Ho's hacked it. They don't like to lose.

honestly, and I don't want to make too much of this r98 as an eldergay myself, but I suspect cootishness is probably part of the problem here. I am going to seriously suggest this is some old fucks with some old ideas favoring some old candidates who cannot get their shit together long enough to make a perfectly easy thing happen.

could be wrong.

Will Joe remind us to turn on our record players when we get home?

“And FOLKS...”

Thank god for paper trails. They are just making sure the Is are dotted and the Ts crossed. We have to be patient.

"Folks"

"Folks"

"Folks"

Jesus, drop out you old geezer.

Yummy Brett Baier! 😋

[quote]How many media outlets did Shawn Sebastian run to?

Shawn Sebastian is an even bigger diva than DL fave Shawn Mendes.

Biden's campaign feels incredibly anemic and enthusiasm for him seems noticeably listless. Even Jill seems kind of bored. I'd gladly support him if he were the nominee, but it doesn't seem like he's got much momentum at the moment.

Folks....

Biden's rambling now

Speech rank— Amy>Biden

Aren't caucuses where you stand next to people to vote and then people count people and write the number down on paper? They fucked up counting. Get some kindergarteners in there, stat!

Joe gives a shout out to the gays!

omg how many times has he said “FOLKS”? I’ve lost count.

I hope this Robby Mook thing isn't true. He seems like a nice person, but nobody can be this defective! TWICE.

Jill looks wonderful, Biden seems tired.

inconsistencies in the reporting of 3 sets of results WTF

so human error?

can no one count in Iowa?

I get the impression that the second round votes simultaneously showing add’l viable candidates AND fewer votes freaked some folks out at the party.

[quote]A large segment of voters live in that part of the country, and that elitist attitude is what cost us the election last time, so drop it!

Elitists? Please, stop using Republcvian talking points. People on the West and East coast vastly outnumber those in the Midwest. That dose not make they all elitists, that makes them half of America. Just as entitled to be pandered to as the Midwest.

Biden looked deflated. Hard to miss that look of defeat. Kept staring down at his notes. No energy.

Pete's stalling to go last. Pete lasts.

good friggin god. NOT a good look.

and this is why we call the midwest except Chicago and Minneapolis "Flyover country"

Iowa Dem party: "we found inconsistencies in the reporting of the results" who wants to bet Bernie supporters are responsible??

Ew, I hate watching people give bad speeches! It gives me soo much anxiety.

Uncle Joe had better choose an exceptional running mate

well, you are not entirely wrong r136, but you know, it's also why Hillary is not president. Careful what you despise.

This is where it helps to be 38 instead of 78, or whatever Biden is. That was an awful Biden speech.

Did Warren seriously talk about slavery?

What in the dickens is going on up there?

[quote]Amy>Biden

I'm just gonna predict:

Pete>Warren>Bernie>Amy>Biden

Why can't they show us Elizabeth?

Is Robby Mook really involved or are you guys fucking around?

actually, r142, as a Warren fan, I'm gonne be okay if it wasn't Trans slavery.

[quote]Biden looked deflated. Hard to miss that look of defeat. Kept staring down at his notes. No energy.

Well, it is three hours past his bedtime.

R142 I dunno. Anderson Cooper/CNN cut her speech off.

I want a speech from TOM!!!!!!

I am surprised MSNBC hasn’t played Warren.

[quote]That was an awful Biden speech.

Biden looked like he was presiding at his own funeral.

Bernie!

Some good news for Pete

Ambition vs. their capability. I love Rachel.

Joe Biden says good night.

anyone got actual results?

R151 CNN played part of her speech then cut her off.

WOOO PETE!!

This does not portend well for the general election.

Where is Bernie's fat, bald. unemployed bastard Levi?

Bernie is giving me the Evita feels.

Well, the glitch will work in Biden's favor. The news cycle of distressful headlines won't have such a heavy impact.

[quote] Aren't caucuses where you stand next to people to vote and then people count people and write the number down on paper? They fucked up counting.

That is just the first round, then they have to figure out which candidates are not viable, the voters for those candidates then either go home or caucus with another candidate, then they count those numbers then use a formula to divide up how many delegates go to each candidate for that caucus. Then those numbers get reported to headquarters.

Reasons for delay of Iowa Caucus results

-Not enough personnel to take calls and tally

-Inconsistency in reporting of three separate results

-App crashes

-Hacking

Then, after pressuring Sanders’ campaign to not declare victory too soon, I.e. no speech, they trot out Amy and Joe to give speeches. These fucking people.

I’m so glad I live on west coast time.

It’s near 1:00 am there, and the candidates have to be on the trail early tomorrow.

I think a lot of what has happened up until now is theory instead of practice. So how do these candidates do traveling from state to state, eating fried twinkies at the state fair, staying up night after night, shaking hands with people with the flu, and making speeches until they lose their voices? My money is on some of these seventy-somethings not being able to keep up the pace.

This might turn out to be a big game of Survivor, with the older and weaker ones not being able to keep up.

Did not want to admit it, cause reasons, but New Hampshire, SAVE US!!

Sick and ti-yud!

Wow, first time I've liked Bernie. Testify, brother!

Can you believe Bernie had his wife and kid on welfare and testifying on the stand for better quality welfare to a judge!!? He's a crackpot dinosaur with broken ideas.

CNN and MSNBC playing Bernie’s speech and not cutting him off like CNN did to Warren.

Did MSNBC even play any of Warren’s speech?

#Be Better

Isn't in funny the same people who keep throwing shade at Biden for his age are backing the other old man who actually had a heart attack?

How much does the market drop tomorrow? 200 points? 500?

R154, that looks way more complicated than it needs to be. Iowa's whole caucus system is weird.

21 min ago

Donald J. Trump @realDonaldTrump

Big WIN for us in Iowa tonight. Thank you!

Now Bernie’s on to CLIMATE CHANGE.

I would like Bernie more if it wasn't for his cultish and overbearingly unpleasant supporters.

Bernie: Free stuff. Free stuff. Wealthy bad.

Perverted game of Duck, Duck, Goose.

ya know what, ain't that upset. Iowa is a pain in the ass. New Hampshire is a pain in the ass. We'll get through these damn stupid things and then South Carolina where there are actually significant Democratic voters, and then we will see. We're good. Embarrassed though. Shit, and seriously, is this really Robert Mook, cause if so, stop!

Will no one comment on Jane’s cute son-in-law?

Bernie has been the most inspiring speaker so far, by light years.

He is electric and I believe he could absolutely shred plump in a debate and election. This is the first time I’ve heard him speak in a while.

He is the most clear and effective messenger of the lot. Democrats are luck because all these candidates are good choices.

[quote]I am surprised MSNBC hasn’t played Warren.

dont nobody want to hear that old bitch this late at night

R171, not yet. Relegating the woman again.

I hate that Bernie pronounces human rights as "you-man rights" instead of "hugh-man rights".

He also says shtraight instead of straight and shtreet instead of street.

So for that reason, it's a no from me.

Bernie is the only one who speaks from the heart.

just out of curiosity r182, did you think that before Bernie ever actually uttered a word?

Bernie has more hair than usual.

This could be a good thing, if it wakes up the Dems to the very real prospect of general election malfeasance.

It’s time to wrap it up, Bernie.

So much for the Bernie camp narrative that MSNBC favors Elizabeth Warren over him. Her speech has been completely bypassed for his.

Now it’s The CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM and IMMIGRATION REFORM and REPRODUCTIVE RIGHTS and... the MILITARY INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX and... he’s going down the whole laundry list.

And more good news for Pete! Ben Halle @bhalle87 9m UPDATE: @PeteButtigieg won West Des Moines precinct 115. This is a rare flip from Romney to Clinton. Pete is winning in pivot counties and counties that are becoming more blue. #IACaucus

Even if Bernie is elected President he would get exactly zero of those proposals passed congress and into law.

[quote]Bernie has been the most inspiring speaker so far, by light years.

He's been saying the same thing for at least 20 years. What has he done since that time to make his rhetoric happen?

Two New Yorkers going head to head in a general election seems fitting.

R194 Bernie’s never passed anything in his life.

Amy>Bernie>Biden

r191 Maddow said that because Warren started her speech just after Biden began, they'll show her full speech later.

R182 he's an 80-year-old who just a heart attack AND intensive heart surgery!! The man has got one foot and in the grave. Being president of the US AGES you at rate of 2 years PER year!! Terrible..

Just in: Biden’s lawyers are writing a letter to the Dem party questioning the results.

oh come on, nobody thinks Amy came in first. Don't be ridiculous.

I wouldn’t be surprised if Bernie dies before November.

and DEMANDING that they get to know the primary results before the public.

Fuck that.

Sanders co-chair Nina Turner says that Sanders will come back out and speak again if the results come in tonight.

If I had to choose between the three I'd hope Pete gets the nomination, but I'm fine with Bernie as long as he has a damn good team behind him. The man won't last long so he needs to have things in order and a fit VP ready to usurp him when he kicks the bucket a year into his presidency.

If his puppeteers are all AOC types we're fucked once he wins. Washington will be in even more chaos.

R202, in speech quality, IMHO.

He's fine, he sends his love r200. He actually looks really healthy. Old, but very healthy.

Then Biden and his lawyers are idiots because there are no fucking results yet to question.

It would be fucking hilarious if Bernie were to get the nomination and then die before November.

I told ya! This glitch works for Biden. He'd better listen and exploit this save that was given to him

r202 That poster was ranking speeches...

Did they skip Pete’s speech?

r165 you know nothing. Amy and Biden and Bernie don't need permission to speak, it's an internal campaign decision. On a night like this if they get in front of a microphone the News will cover their speech. Bernie and Pete need the validation of a win so they are keeping their asses quiet. Bernie might get upset by Pete or Pete might come close so there is no reason to move forward. Biden has been embarrassed with reports of multiple precincts where he wasn't viable. It sounds like only Bernie and Pete have been viable throughout the night. Hopefully both of them go away once Super Tuesday knocks some sense into these crazy campaigns. A gay man or a socialist against a united Republican Party with record low unemployment and a healthy market? Get the hell out of here with that nonsense!

It’s just been since like 2016 when I last heard him do a barn burnerlike that. . And he seemsyounger And more vibrant than 4 years ago for some reason. He really let it rip. I like where he stands.

Pete also was leading the precinct in the gym of Drake University in Des Moines. Beating Bernie.

why did the DNC makes this so confusing? Just make it like a regular primary and proportion out the delegates based on the votes

we need actual results. they are not forthcoming. this is a problem.

While they wait for Pete's speech, they should be showing Elizabeth's. What gives?!

It is shocking that MSNBC hasn’t played Warren. They must think Pete is imminent.

r217 Because the IDP decides if it's going to be a caucus or a primary, not the DNC.

If you're talking about a national primary, that wouldn't work because you could get a winner who only got a 20% of the total vote or some weird result like that. Obviously that person can't end up being the nominee.

The fix is in.

It looks like Pete's campaign is retweeting his wins in lieu (at least for now) of him giving a speech. Here's another one:

I wonder if there will be ANY results out of this mess.

It is yuge problem. Yuge.

[quote]I'm fine with Bernie as long as he has a damn good team behind him.

+

[quote]If his puppeteers are all AOC types we're fucked once he wins.

= what do you think?

[quote]Sanders co-chair Nina Turner says that Sanders will come back out and speak again if the results come in tonight.

Thanks for the warning, Nina.

Faux News: "Republicans are going to be very happy that his is such a debacle....Winners tonight Donald Trump and Bloomberg."

The Democratic party is a circus. We've fallen apart post-Obama, and despite that we still have such awful hubris. We need to get our shit together and re-examine the party if we want to prevent another GOP takeover.

Biden screaming “RIGGED!” is not a good look.

58,000 fewer Iowans came to caucus for this year than they did in 2008, that is worrisome. You would think more candidates would mean more people showing up.

“...moments ago...”. Really Rachel?

Do you have a link r231?

Terry McAuliffe saying on CNN that he thinks Pete probably did very well tonight and that Iowa may be a close 1st and 2nd between Pete & Bernie.

r217 we need to clarify it was the Iowa DNC that messed this up. They know that getting dusty old campaign workers to use an App is a disaster. I've run door knocking canvassing, the Apps scare the hell out of people over 60. If someone needs to put on their glasses to read a text on their phone, then they are likely not someone you want to use an app before a national election. Then to have said app crash and no backup call centers. The Iowa Democratic Chair should resign by the end of the week.

LOL is he really? R230

Twitter: dont expect results tonight

at this point I'm fine with anyone if there is a goddamn fucking result. Iowa, get your mother fucking shit together. TIA.

It looks like Pete's campaign is retweeting his wins in lieu (at least for now) of giving a speech.

Do you have a link [R231]?

that is what they are reporting on MSNBC

Are the Taliban totally up the vote in Flyoverstan?

r231 2008 had high quality candidates. Not one of the people running can match Hillary or Obama. When you deliver stale candidates people tend to stay home.

Are we going to get a result before the New Hampshire vote?

Axelrod: Pete is being "victimized by this".

Santorum [blech]:"Pete should be out there declaring victory!"

I hope that the problems tonight don't distract us from the Trans Women of Color who founded this nation and cast the first vote at stonewall.

No results tonight. Official

I grew up in a teepee.

here's an idea. everyone who is connected, and part of the central committee, and down with the people who are great and make things happen FUCK OFF!!!! You clearly are part of the problem. So please in all respect fuck off.

Warren said "baby daughter of a janitor." She is just the fucking corniest.

[quote] Just 172,000 Democrats participated in the caucuses in 2016, which was way down from the record set in 2008, when 239,000 turned out.

Sick and ti-yud! of this app and bad reporting chat.

Her dad was a janitor now?

Glad her invisible soldier brothers made another appearance.

Talking heads can't sign off for the night....lol. In case...there's news.

[quote]58,000 fewer Iowans came to caucus for this year than they did in 2008, that is worrisome. You would think more candidates would mean more people showing up.

I said over and over in the last 3 years that the Dems will lose this thing again if they cannot get people to the polls; DO NOT depend on the candidate to get voters to vote. We are not in the magical Clinton and Obama era anymore people. Republicans have the shittiest candidates ever, but their network is set up make sure that Republicans turn out no matter what.

CNN: Running commercials with "Awaiting: Pete Buttigieg" chyron

MSNBC: Warren talking

R197---maybe he's passed a kidney stone or two.

What's delaying Pete?

Lizzy is heading into uncanny valley territory with every passing day

Politico’s Natasha Korecki:

An aide to one of the campaigns said the IDP “hung up on campaigns” when pressed for a release time. The party on the call said just 35% of the results were in and none yet verified. “They literally have no verified results... so we won’t know anything until sometime Tuesday.”

You're a li-yuh, R251!

Black church lady for Pete.

Pete is frickin THIRSTY!

For what it’s worth, took part in the caucus tonight. At my precinct, only 4 of the candidates ended up viable and they were Sanders, Warren, Buttigieg, and Biden (w/Biden at the lowest). When the people who had been going for non-viable candidates realigned, Buttigieg had the biggest jump in supporters (went up by 26 people, where Warren went up 7 and Sanders went up 5).

Is it possible that Iowa’s overall population is down? Most flyover states are bleeding people.

Fucking TUESDAY!!?

Every candidate's subreddit - apart from Pete's - is now in full-on "Why this delay is actually good for us" mode. 😄

r263 No, Iowa's population is increasing, though I don't think all those Latinos much care for caucuses.

Well, technically it will be Tuesday in only 41 more minutes.

R264 It’s Tuesday on the east coast.

[quote] I said over and over in the last 3 years that the Dems will lose this thing again if they cannot get people to the polls;

Yeah, not really.

Hillary won the PV by over 3 million votes. But she didn’t win where it counted. We need to sway the swing states. That’s all that matters.

Where is Pete??

Support or oppose any of the candidates - showing results Tuesday (after the night I mean) is unacceptable. Clearly the campaigns know. Flat out horrible behavior.

Can we give Bloomberg credit for avoiding this drama! He's like fuck them basic ass first states!

I was out for dinner so I haven't been watching. What's the hold up?

Just in: Warren’s camp is questioning the results because they weren’t being counted correctly.

[quote]Where is Pete??

He's about to speak on CNN.

No Chasten?

r273 App used for reporting crapped out. They're doing everything manually now.

What a shit show... I keep telling myself "Rush Limbaugh has lung cancer".

this is why I'm focusing on New Hampshire

Speech rank updated: Amy>Bernie>Biden>Warren

Damn, that was a long speech for Warren. I find it amazing how enthusiastic her people are.

The reliance on the teleprompter diminishes her impact.

OK. I see why MSNBC waited to play this dirge.

Jesus Christ, lady. Wrap it up!

OK, speaking time disproportionate with results and prominence. Good stuff. Too much of it.

Pete got him some black people!

Pete!

Yeah, where's Chasten?

Just in: Nevada's using the same vendor to report their caucuses.

Pete's speaking? Bathroom break!

BOOT EDGE EDGE BOOT EDGE EDGE BOOT EDGE EDGE!

The Washington Post is saying Trump has won Iowa. I'm sure if that's true but if it is I'm not surprised. It won't be shocking if he gets another four more years, we're too stupid to pull our heads out of our asses and confront the reality that Trump has a lot of support among Americans. Deplorables, but Americans nonetheless. The left needs to start treating him like the threat he is instead of fighting amongst itself and shooting itself in the foot. This is how Trump won in 2016.

VICTORIOUS!

Clever: Iowa you have shocked the nation.

PETE PETE

PETE PETE

PETE PETE!

PETE!

I'm just happy that Bernie wasn't able to have his crowing speech tonight. His supporters are in full meltdown mode. Pete also can't declare victory. Basically, the two candidates most critical, excuse me "disappointed" with Obama and Hillary had their moments taken away! This was a good night!

R281 I know, lol. A row of black people on display right behind him. He’s trying so hard.

Bold, Pete.

[quote]Pete's speaking? Bathroom break!

= Rachel Maddow

[quote] the Washington Post is saying Trump has won Iowa.

Sadly true

Trampled norm and poisonous tweets, you tell ‘em Pete!

R281, that is funny. Pete found this six black people in Iowa for his front row.

The Iowa Caucus is white supremecy--"caucus" comes from "Caucasian" which excludes black and brown people of color And contributes to institutional racism. #Boycott #BlackVotesMatter

Pete got black women strategically lined up, I cant 😁😂

What is this “Reality” he’s touting in this canned rehearsed speech?

There are no results, Pete.

[quote]Pete also can't declare victory.

And yet he just did.

"We are going on to New Hampshire victorious."

Pete’s turnout blows the others out of the water!

Holy fucking shit. This is so amazing. I'm about to Mary! to death.

Republicans run the stare of Iowa so we don’t know who won but we know they lost.

“President Pete!”

‘Them skeptics!

MAYOR PETE ALL THE WAY!

r287 Trump was always going to win the Republican caucus in Iowa - he will win every republican primary - in the states that are actually having them. Those are separate from the Democratic primaries.

R302, it’s clear he’s first or second from the partial results. If they’d show the Somewhat Liberal entrance poll results, it would be clear.

“Iowa you have proved those skeptics wrong.”

Again, Pete: there are NO RESULTS. Nothing has “been proven.”

The Intercept:

Three different sources say a firm called "Shadow" developed the Iowa Dem caucus app. They haven't responded to comment, neither has Iowa Dem Party. The firm was paid by both Nevada & Iowa Democratic Party, disclosures show. Also by Mayor Pete's campaign.

He thanked every supporter, THAT’s us!

I wonder if the candidates themselves have some info they can’t release yet. Exit polls maybe? That might be why Pete wanted to speak so late.

[quote] [R302], it’s clear he’s first or second from the partial results.

He's currently in third place in the partial results.

Did his people actually think putting his black supporters right in front of the camera was smart?

Faux News is talking over Pete's speech the entire time so far. Because yes, they want to hear bloviated a-holes over what a real candidate says.

Biden is the big winner tonight, everyone else got fucked by the IDP. Pete and Bernie needed this win to create momentum and now it's going to get stomped on by the SOTU and impeachment.

They all want to go to bed, so they say screw it, do a victory speech.

R316 wants Pete to put screaming neo Nazis with tiki torches in the front row, and is angry and disappointed because he won’t.

CHASTEN!

CHASTEN!

CHASTEN!

[quote] Pete found this six black people in Iowa for his front row.

Lol. So contrived.

Can we just give the nomination to Bloomberg, he looks like the only competent candidate who won't scare half the nation.

R311 Both are acceptable.

R315, I was referring to entrance polls.

^ LOL

When I heard Robby Mook was involved in the counting process it’s no surprise that something nefarious is happening.

R318, Biden got destroyed before the world.

“Tonight Iowa chose a new path.”

What tf is Pete talking about? The only path Iowa has “chosen” tonight is the path of chaos and debacle.

Holy fucking shit.... that's all I have to say

BOOT EDGE EDGE!

BOOT EDGE EDGE!

BOOT EDGE EDGE!

I hate to be cynical, but it does seem like a bit too craven and obvious to have him standing in front of a line of black women when everyone knows that's the demographic he is struggling the most with and has the most ground to make up. Optics doesn't equal action.

Pete’s row of Black wimmins waving tiny flags is hilarious.

Peter is more professional and polished. Joe tonight was horrible, sulking, looking down at his notes throughout his speech. Awful. Pete talks like a winner.

r328 Oh yea? Show me the results

The chanting and large loud crowd is so effective though. Lots of enthusiasm for somewhat hot air

[quote]Optics doesn't equal action.

You mean like decreasing black poverty in SB by 70 % or their unemployment by 40%? That sort of action? 🙄

Dont campaigns always out diverse people out front or beyond the candidate? Why is it a problem when Pete does it? I love the meltdowns, lol. GO PETE!

app was created by DNC pac

I like the fact that Pete just called out Trump's draft dodging.

That dustbin. You tellem henny!

Tonight has been a demonstration in the crumbling infrastructure of the Democratic party and an apt example of why the big fat orange monster will likely be winning again in November. If we truly want to take on the GOP we need to look inward.

I’m surprised at how sharp and clear his voice is. Amy Klobuchar sounded hoarse, which is not surprising considering how much speaking they have to do at the end.

[quote] [R316] wants Pete to put screaming neo Nazis with tiki torches in the front row, and is angry and disappointed because he won’t.

Oh my! You're so edgy, calling me a Trump supporter for noticing what anyone with eyes and any critical thought can see. This is such a transparent attempt to appear like his supporters are in any way diverse, it's embarrassing.

Absolutely historic. Amazing.

r343 You do realize he's 37 right, 30 years from now when he's Amy's age he won't sounds as good.

r343 Yep, his voice sounded pretty busted last week, glad it's recovered. Still, I wouldn't be surprised if he had some permanent vocal cord damage from this primary.

The Warren bros in this thread 😂

Thanks r277.

So sweet to see miss Warren get creamed.

They all do it, R338. Some people just want to criticize every single thing Pete does.

“He wore a shirt and shoes and went into a diner? THAT BASTARD!!!!11!! !

Ciau sports fans. Almost 2:00 am where I am.

[quote]I’m surprised at how sharp and clear his voice is.

Yeah, Pete does have a good speaking voice.

BOOT EDGE EDGE!

He should keep this brief. It’s late, after all. He just needs a few good sound bites.

Pete, don't scream.

Poo Shoes belongs!

Chasten is going to be so fucking sore the next couple of days...

Nighty night R352, sleep tight!

Robby Mook denies having anything to do with the app or its alleged failure tonight.

[quote] It’s not clear what the problems might be (at the Iowa caucus), but one thing is known. People are upset with Robbie Mook, Hillary Clinton’s former campaign manager.

[quote] However, in a statement, the Iowa Democratic Party said the delays were a result of the reporting inconsistencies and not the app.“ The app did not go down,” said IDP Communications Director Mandy McClure.

[quote] But Mook, who received outsized ignominy for being behind Hillary Clinton’s failed 2016 strategy, worked with the team who made the app, according to the Des Moines Register, focusing on dealing with misinformation.

[quote] In a tweet, after people were repeatedly tagging him on Twitter, Mook said he had nothing to do with the app. “Sorry, folks. I did NOT have anything to do with building the Iowa caucus app. I dont know anything about it, had no role in it, and dont own a company that makes mobile appa. Please contact @iowademocrats with questions about it,” he wrote.

[quote] While reporters have said Mook had nothing specifically to do with the app, he was nonetheless getting savaged by people online for the delay.

[quote]

Cleaning in Las Vegas!

Knew Pete cruised the DL!

I wish he would speak off the cuff, he's so programmed like a robot.

Pete waited too long for his speech. Everyone is in bed.

He sounds presidential.

Ok, save it for the inaugural, Kennedy. Jesus. He talks.

“Lacing up my boots in the dust of a war zone.” Lol you had an office job, bitch.

I actually predicted a month ago that Pete would win Iowa but the media would find a way to discredit the results. I should go work as a professional psychic or something.

Pete with a row of African American women behind him. Nice move.

His speech is not about people tonight, but for headlines and news clips in the morning that he is the presumed winner.

Pete creamed it!

Taniel is starting a crowdsourced spreadsheet with the Iowa results:

r363 His team was rechecking the numbers so he could declare victory!

Pete really needed a clear victory in Iowa and at a time before people went to bed, this pretty much ends his campaign unless he can figure out a way to win New Hampshire and that looks like it's headed in Bernies direction.

[quote] So sweet to see miss Warren get creamed.

Except for how it's not at all clear that she did.

Final speech rankings— Amy>Bernie>Pete>Biden>Warren

Pete is very Obama-like per usual. Great performance; however, long winded, somewhat too polished, and overinflated sense of self.

I can see why Pete drives Amy, Reid, Warren and Maddow crazy. He’s too well-packaged and under-credentialed. He’s the natural result of electing lightweights*—Obama and Trump. Lowering the experience bar will come back to bite everyone eventually.

Pete’s my candidate, BTW.

* Before 2008, Obama’s experience for presidential consideration was too light. It worked out wonderfully in the Obama case, but gave us Trump.

I am tearing up watching Pete and his Husband on stage, I could have never imagined in my entire life time this would actually happen.

-Eldergay

Someone upthread owes Robbie Mook and apology and datalounge for spreading bad information.

How many times did you falsely accuse him?

r373 You're ridiculous. Pete needed to come ahead of Biden and Amy and Warren. Which he did.

Twitter just needed another gay villan.

I want to see how bitchy Bernie supporter Van Jones casts shade on Pete. Van is the Joy Reid of CNN.

Between the DMR fail and this, I think it's safe to say that Iowa is #canceled as the leader next cycle.

This is why links are nessesary ...for when trolls make stuff up. It’s not like we need any more false information and propaganda. There is plenty as is.

Robby Mook is owed a full-throated apology.

Bernie trolls are so obsessed with anything everything Hillary 2016, inventing some rumor that he was involved with this AP

Love him. Like Macron, he’s a young and shameless striver with the intelligence and temperament to do this job.

My expectation: Pete needed a win, he so far doesn't have a clear win from their internals but its so close that if he actually won, he gets to say his speech and wring as much as he now can from it, and if he didn't win, the campaign can say 'oh guess we made a small mistake'. Iowa is crucial enough for him that it'd be cynically justified to get as much from this night as possible.

Regardless, if he got a 2nd place, that's still something he may be able to work with. And softly announcing a win should set a fire under the DNC to get taht data out. I think its slimy, but I think everything of Pete is slightly slimy anyway, sue me.

R373

Bernie has gone from having a commanding lead in New Hampshire to the latest poll showing him only a few points in the lead. He's actually dropping.

From Taniel's current tally:

Final allocation:

Sanders (32.12% )

Buttigieg (31.40%)

Warren (24.32%)

Biden (11.98%)

Pete is so inspiring

What the Democratic Party sorely needs tonight is to hire a transparency consultant and fast! Maybe Hunter Biden is available.

Where is the Robby Mook troll now? They were so prevalent earlier?

Iowa is like so lame

Van is speaking up for Pete.

So Amy is done now?

[quote] Final speech rankings— Amy>Bernie>Pete>Biden>Warren

No one cares about your speech rankings.

People who keep saying Pete needed a CLEAR win in Iowa need to understand that's not possible because there are three people hogging the moderate lane and only two people in the super-left lane.

[quote]Robby Mook is owed a full-throat

OK, I'll do it.

And what about Tom?

Van said Pete was robbed of his moment.

R394, I was hoping for others to share theirs while were live posting reactions to this shitshow.

Ana Navarro:

[quote]This @PeteButtigieg is a thing of beauty. It’s inclusive, inspiring, very, very strong. He sounds downright presidential. It’s a damn shame the Iowa Caucus Debacle robbed him from the chance of giving it while most Americans were still awake.

Poor Mook. Why is political twitter so homophobic? No wonder they love Warren so much.

Van Jones recognizing the history making nature of a win by Pete and said Biden got an "undeserved lifeline". Praising his consistency across groups, too.

[quote] So Amy is done now?

Jesus, you fucking dumbasses. We have no final results so we don't know who won, who's done, how many delegates anyone got, etc. Saying something over and over on DL is not going to make it true.

If only the Iowa Dems had just one more week, they could have pulled this off flawlessly. As it was, three years wasn't enough time.

As an amusing aside, I just watched a clip from a woman who does political tarot card throws. Earlier today she pulled a spread on how Biden would do, and by the time she was finished she looked at the camera exclaiming "Oh my gosh, it looks like he's going to be dropping out in the near future!"

Either she skipped Pete, or I missed it, but she did spend quite a while gushing about how well Amy was doing and similar with Elizabeth Warren, although the latter's cards weren't quite so rosy.

Lining up the sisters in a row was lame, but, Pete got me harder than Chinese arithmetic!

r395 He needed a victory tonight because his campaign is nowhere to be found other than Iowa and New Hampshire so momentum was very important in his campaign strategy, that's clearly not happening because America has gone to bed even if he wins.

Ana navarro is so sweet. I wish she'd take the plunge and join The View full time. But I can understand if she doesnt want to see Mccunt 5 days a week.

When the state was run by democrats, the caucuses went off fine.

They need to turn blue again so this doesn’t happen anymore.

fucking shithole flyover mess

It does appear that the app is an OK, Boomer moment.

[quote] When the state was run by democrats, the caucuses went off fine.

Democrats still run the Democratic caucuses. Obviously.

America largely will go to bed figuring that it'll be sorted out in the morning. At that point, they'll be greeted with clips of Pete's claiming victory.

I first heard (incorrectly) that Mook was involved in Iowa fuck-up from a tweet from the political correspondent from the National Review. He was one of the people passing bad information along without questioning it, apparently.

If he gets elected, will he go by President Pete?

r409 States aren't involved in caucuses, hopefully Iowa wakes up and get's rid of this caucus bullshit.

In the meantime, you can watch this....

Direct link to Taniel's Iowa spreadsheet:

r413 Nope apparently some precincts are going to wait and report tomorrow so i doubt you'll have full results before noon.

Clearly our overlords in Iowa have shown us that the state deserves its outsized influence on the election.

[quote]He needed a victory tonight

Yes, a win, but not a CLEAR win, i.e. sweeping the state. That's impossible with so many candidates.

[quote]because his campaign is nowhere to be found other than Iowa and New Hampshire so momentum was very important in his campaign strategy, that's clearly not happening because America has gone to bed even if he wins.

For the love of god, that's been his campaign strategy from the start. A no-name mayor from Indiana can't run a national campaign, what part of that do you not understand? Carter and Obama were both successful using the exact same slingshot strategy. Beto, Booker, Castro... were all banking on it as well. If you think it'll all fall apart because he delivered his speech late, you are sadly mistaken.

This wouldn't be happening if Buden or Warren won. They're deliberately sabotaging Pete to Save Biden and Warren's asses. I suspect Klobuchar came in 3rd and Warren and Biden came in 4th and 5th place.

The establishment cant have that happening to their two favs.

r421 What exactly are you arguing because i'm saying he didn't get what he needed and you're saying he did? You're saying this went well for pete?

[quote] Direct link to Taniel's Iowa spreadsheet:

That shit's loading about as quickly as the Iowa reporting app. Who the fuck is "Taniel" anyway?

R424, it's because a lot of people are trying to access it.

Taniel is a well-respected numbers cruncher, like Dave Wasserman.

Taniel's current results page from Iowa shows Pete & Bernie in a close race, with Warren in 3rd.

A month from now on Super Tuesday, no one will even remember this Iowa clusterfuck.

Tens of thousands of ballots all for Joe Biden being shipped to Iowa from Broward County Florida as we speak. “Don’t worry folks we got this covered”

Hillary comes out the winner in this. Now she can step in and save the party.

Iowa alone is not important, however there are hundreds of thousands of Iowa’s in the middle of the country and the Democrats need a strong candidate to win all of them. Congratulations Pete!

[quote] [R424], it's because a lot of people are trying to access it.

I know; I'm just cranky as shit waiting for official results and reading the hundreds of astonishingly stupid comments in this thread.

[quote] Taniel is a well-respected numbers cruncher, like Dave Wasserman.

I don't really know who the hell Dave Wasserman is, either, but I will take your word for it, Poll Troll, that they know their shit.

Perhaps Pete's Speech writer did not write "what if we have no results" version.

This is why they don't want Voter ID!

R425 Before I sign off, thanks Poll Troll--as always--for your contributions!

Sorry if I missed this, but I thought it was Booty-judge. Where did Boot-edge-edge come from?

Thanks, R433. : )

R430, the numbers that Taniel & his colleagues are gathering from the Iowa precincts appear to match up well with what the media & the candidates were saying tonight.

Eg. it's looking good in Iowa for Pete & Bernie, with Warren likely 3rd.

R434, You're an misinformed idiot. It's always been Boot Edge Edge.

CNN: Officials hope for results "some time Tuesday".

Bernie's you get free everything to the Bernie Bro Freeloaders is so laughable.

Just imagine how that will go down in you more moderate,swing and conservative states. Electoral annihilation.

It was completely unexpected, but the message out of Iowa is if you can’t successfully run a caucus, how can you run a country. What a disaster.

Klobuchar came in third place ahead of Biden and Warren. That's why she spoke first and was so happy in her speech

[quote]Chaos. Biden has already left Iowa. Sanders camp is about to release their own results. Buttigieg camp points to their internet’s data +8 points ahead of projections. Out of 1301 precincts, Pete reached viability in 1064 (83%), they said.

What a fucking mess. 🤦‍♂️

Everyone is laughing at DNC app

^^More:

[quote]Warren camp says they are in the top 3. Klobuchar camp said they believe they’re close to Biden.

r441 No she won't be third

Taniel has Klobuchar 5th.

Pete & Biden nearly tied for 1st-2nd.

Warren 3rd.

Biden 4th.

The Iowa DNC Headquarters be like

Pete & BERNIE nearly tied for 1st-2nd.

Warren is the big loser tonight.

I sitting back with my second glass of wine watching Bernie supports collectively meltdown and shit themselves!

Just In: Biden campaign wants to withhold official numbers...

This is crazy. He wants to muddy the waters as much as possible until NH votes. What a piece of shit.

Thanks for the info, Poll Troll.

1. Buttigieg ( 28.39%)

2. Bernie (27.34%)

3. Warren (22.11%)

4. Biden (13.94%)

5. Klobuchar (7.72%)

1. Buttigieg ( 28.39%)

2. Bernie (27.34%)

3. Warren (22.11%)

4. Biden (13.94%)

5. Klobuchar (7.72%)

^ Final allocation

Pete's gonna get it from all sides at the next debate? Is it this friday?

Poor Vaughn should be asleep by now.

[quote]Here we have a Democratic member of Congress and a New York Times employee spreading conspiracy theories. Our institutions are quite healthy.

Pete's getting dragged on Twitter, especially Black Twitter though not soley, for declaring victory with no results

So did Biden supporters go to Buttigieg because they didn't fear him stealing away the nomination?

r456 Yes, debate is this Friday.

The Democratic Party should strong-arm Iowa, and tell them that if they insist on having their weird, cluster-fuck "caucus", they have to do it in June behind everyone else. Otherwise they need to convert to a simple Primary vote system.

The Iowa caucus seems like something designed by (The Office's) Dwight Schurte and held on his beet farm, where votes are tallied with geese eggs and counted by Michael Scott. Just cut it out, Iowa.

[quote]for declaring victory with no results

Except he has results because he had a precinct captain in every precinct. Unlike the other campaigns.

R459, They would drag him for breathing. Who cares? Twitter just hasn't got as much influence as they'd like.

Delegates:

1. Buttigieg (31.22%%) (59)

2. Sanders (22.22%) (42)

3. Warren (19.05%) (36)

4. Biden (17.46%) (33)

5. Klobuchar (9.52%) (18)

[quote]These conspiracy theories are killing me. The Iowa caucus is run by old white volunteers--what's more likely, that they rigged the entire primary or they had trouble with an app?

R464 Very true, just reporting what I'm seeing.

[quote] Pete's getting dragged on Twitter, especially Black Twitter

African-Americans have indicated that he is the one candidate they don’t want, so if he’s the nominee, it’s going to be a slap in the face.

Considering campaigns usually have internal polling, I would think most of not all of the candidates know who won by now, it’s just not official.

Black Twitter is demanding the DNC promise a "state of color" go first next time... OR ELSE!

R462, obama never would have been the president that way. But ok. Change it around because it chose a candidate that you dont like. Whiny ass baby.

If this went badly, I dread Nevada’s caucus, which could end up in the same mess.

I hate caucuses.

[quote]African-Americans have indicated that he is the one candidate they don’t want

*Some* African-Americans *on Twitter* have indicated that. And don't you see how homophobic it is, singling him out as the only candidate they don't want?!

R470, the color they’re thinking of is a red state with a low Democratic population, but a high black population, probably in the South. Which would be useless in the general.

[quote] Buttigieg (31.22%%) (59)

Buttigieg may become known for being the candidate whose outcome finally forced the DNC to select a different, less overwhelmingly white, state to be first.

If South Carolina - apparently the seat of blackdom in America according to some - voted first in 2008, Hillary would have been elected president. Food for thought...

R470, the criticism is fair. I like Chris Matthews’ idea of starting with California—significant in size and diversity. I also like a round robin similar to the old Bowl Champion Series.

[quote]Buttigieg may become known for being the candidate whose outcome finally forced the DNC to select a different, less overwhelmingly white, state to be first.

We need to swing PA, Michigan and Wisconsin in November. It'll be white people who decide this election. Stop being so obtuse. And stop using black people as a cudgel against the first gay candidate, for fuck sake.

The problem is Iowa and New Hampshire will move up if any other state tries to take over the first position. After this i'd say people have had it with them.

R476 Fuck South Carolina, deplorable land that always goes to Republicans every election

The warren supporter tears taste so good. I can't wait to see it all over again next Tuesday when she once again comes in third place!

[quote]I like Chris Matthews’ idea of starting with California

That is RIDICULOUS. Only someone with a huge Name ID like Bernie or Biden and a billionaire like Bloomberg would be competitive in California. It would be a race to who can buy the most ads the fastest, nothing more. I swear to god the costals live in another reality...

The problem with those deep southern states is 90% of white people vote repug and 90% of blacks vote democratic so the election results are always the same.

I swear people on twitter are so fucking stupid. All of the candidates are white so why does it selecting Pete prove it's too white? They only have white people to choose from. I have had it with that homophobic shithole.

How do these people on CNN keep a straight face while giving us the same bullshit excuses?

[quote]The problem is Iowa and New Hampshire will move up if any other state tries to take over the first position.

Yes, Iowa has a law on the books that it has to be first, and New Hampshire would need to change its constitution, which currently states it has to be the first primary in the nation. I'm sure SC would adjudicate that if there was a clash with another state...

r484 They hate pete because he's not woke

R476, you act like that would have been a bad thing. Between McCain-Feingold shifting Congress from pork-based negotiation to ideological-based gridlock and the racist, homophobic backlash to Obama, we got Trump. Hillary would have been a great incrementalism leaded and Obama should be running for re-election now.

[quote]you act like that would have been a bad thing

r488 No, I was addressing the people want a majority black state to go first. Well, guess what? Black people in SC didn't rally behind Obama... until he won Iowa.

*people who want

Poll Troll have you looked at the google doc since you posted R465? The numbers on it have changed multiple times I've refreshed it since that post.

r486

The party could simply choose not to count votes. They should run the biggest states first.

This is stupid, what people think, I don't know who to vote for until I see who's winning?

R482, California is like 6 states (and in the long-game should likely become 6 states to provide electoral fairness). Candidates would be on the ground for a year having the opportunity to build diverse coalitions across a wide array of industries tech, entertainment, agribusiness and groups (gays, POCs, ages, etc.).

The Donald has a very small caucus.

Interesting tidbit R463.

Obama won because Oprah said to vote for him. Without Oprah he would not have even run. He didn't do anything for Illinois. Even his co-Senator, a Democrat said all Obama did as Senator was to run for President.

r483

That isn't even close to being true. If you are going to make things up make them believable.

[quote]This is stupid, what people think, I don't know who to vote for until I see who's winning?

That... is literally what most people will tell you if you're canvassing right now in Nevada and South Carolina. "It's too early, come back to me when someone has won a state or two." People are like that. They like backing a winner and not all of them are super political.

r497 Oh really, where was the lie exactly?

Yes, R491.

Sanders appears to have moved ahead of Pete in Final Allocation, but Pete was still ahead in Delegates last time I looked.

We'll probably see more changes until we get the final numbers from the DNC, but it's a start.

Sanders now leads in final allocation and delegates.

NEWS: A campaign aide says that the IDP will release results today. They are hand checking results, according to a person on the call. The IDP plans to release a statement soon.

R492, that’s exactly what they do. They vote for the winner.

The big problem with running big states first is that if a candidate implodes on the trail, they’ve already got the California delegates under their belt and they can’t be taken away. So what do you do if someone wins California and then we find out he’s a rapist, or he dies on the trail? No one can win those votes because they’re taken by a guy who hasn’t got a chance in hell of winning.

God, I love Yang. He’s on the right stack of mail.

They’re supposed to use the same reporting app for the Nevada caucuses on Feb 22.

The same app which is funded by Mayor's Pete Pac

I thought Sanders would overperform at sites where he has strong support (superfluous attendees).

The current results don’t look accurate. According to that there are very few moderates in Iowa, which doesn’t seem possible.

Gays really have to get it through their heads that the Left hates them. They hate them the same way the Right hates them. The Left now hates gays, whites, and Jews with a passion.

Thanks R500. I think I misunderstood where it said "final allocation" above I was thinking that was the final results.

[quote]Sanders now leads in final allocation and delegates.

That makes sense.

Sanders may finish 1st (which would be in line with expectations), Pete 2nd, Warren 3rd, Biden 4th & Klobuchar 5th.

R508 Sure, troll.

Who won the cock asses?

The Iowa Democratic Party is holding a press call in five minutes. No results expected until after sunrise.

Looks like Warren has pulled ahead of Pete now.

Yeah, kinda unfortunate for Pete... he likely won the absolute vote and came in second in delegates. And no one knows, no great media message...

Really, r514? Awesome news if true.

[quote]I think I misunderstood where it said "final allocation" above I was thinking that was the final results.

Final allocation means the numbers after the 1st round of voting has been completed and then the reallocated numbers for candidates who pick up more votes from the candidates who didn't meet the 15% threshold for qualification.

Once all 1,700 precincts have reported their final allocations, the overall final numbers will be known. Until then they will keep being updated.

I think Pete fucked up tonight, he embarrassed himself.

r516 No, it's not true. It's just partial crowdsourced results. We have to wait for the official ones.

r518 We'll see in a couple of hours.

Another call with the campaigns by the IDP happening now.

Yes, as R519 says, these aren't the official DNC numbers but they give an indication of what the order of candidates will probably be.

These numbers are coming in from all the numbers crunchers from the precincts that have reported in Iowa throughout the night and collated together in the Taniel spreadsheet.

This is good for Amy, who arrived after being locked down in the impeachment trial, and she gave a good speech.

R518, Sometimes he forgets to douche.

R518, Sometimes he forgets to douche.

Pete's team is a genius for waiting until the end. As someone said upthread, all the headlines say that Pete has declared victory even if he hasn't won. It will be the first thing everyone reads when they wake up. This mess is so confusing that Pete left the night with something clear and concrete. I am so proud of him and have always thought that his team is always 10 steps ahead. Pete is extremely calculating in the best way possible. The end of the night is all about him. He had the final word.

I do not understand the hate for Pete. Gays hate seeing other gays have success, they always have. Hopefully that will change in the future. Pete is making history.

[quote] [R516] No, it's not true. It's just partial crowdsourced results. We have to wait for the official ones.

Oh, I know none of these results are official; just pleased to hear she’s pulled into second in the crowd-sourced results for now.

How did he embarrass himself R518?

r528 He declared his campaign "victorious." Which some are interpreting as meaning he said they had won (the most delegates). We'll see in a couple of hours if that's the case.

This Buttigieg speech remind me of that episode of the office where Pam becomes office administrator just by saying she was promoted to office administrator and forcing people to believe it

This Buttigieg speech remind me of that episode of the office where Pam becomes office administrator just by saying she was promoted to office administrator and forcing people to believe it

Oh, they basically all declared themselves winners in their speeches, r529. We’ll see tomorrow how that works out for them.

Doesn't that Buttigieg speech remind you that episode of the office where Pam becomes office administrator just by saying she was promoted to office administrator and forcing people to believe it?

BTW, MSNBC is reporting that results will arrive “sometime Tuesday,” which sounds like “not early.”

Did you really have to post that three times, r533?

R525 dominant tops dont douche..

Jeff Weaver of the Sanders campaign was on the phone call with the IDP, and was stirring things up, according to Dan Merica, talking on CNN.

*hits refresh again* OK, this spreadsheet is getting depressing now. *hits fresh again*

R534, C U Next Tuesday?

"victorious" PETE LOL

Don't think of it as the Democratic Party stealing the election from Bernie. Think of it as vote redistribution.

According to that spreadsheet, Klobuchar is beating Biden. I doubt that.

R538, what is the spreadsheet saying now?

r541 Well Bernie should welcome some socialism, it's his lifes philosophy

Who's running South Bend while Pete's away campaigning?

R545, the mayor who replaced him when his term ended.

When they said there could be multiple candidates claiming victory at Iowa this year, I didn’t expect it to be literally all of them.

r545 Pay attention bitch.

Jeff Weaver being angry on the phone with the IDP means the Bernie camp isn't happy right now...

Don’t kid yourself that this doesn’t have international coverage on our incompetence of America’s election process. Not sure we need foreign meddling.

r549 How can you tell, that whole campaign is paid professional trolls

r551 😂😂😂

So true.

[quote]African-Americans have indicated that he is the one candidate they don’t want, so if he’s the nominee, it’s going to be a slap in the face.

Is there any reason given or is it just inherent homophobia?

R468 no they haven’t.

Bernie 34.12%

Elizabeth 28.90%

Pete 18.69%

Amy 9.07%

Joe 6.89%

The only ones who have decided AAs don't want Pete are Biden's, Warren's, and Bernie's camps, lol. The longer this false narrative can be sustained, the safer they are.

R555, where are those numbers from?

The real story is the collapse of the Biden campaign. His cognitive impairment has been to great to ignore.

Daily Mail headline about Pete's victory claim

[quote] Trust me, I won.

Re-posting link to the ever changing spreadsheet.

r557 They're just just partials from that crowdsourced document. You can go insane looking at those, so just wait for the final result.

r557 I can vouch for the "go insane" part of r561 's post.

The #MayorCheat hashtag is funny. Him paying the app maker will have to be investigated.

Biden's campaign will continue to claim the Iowa results are inaccurate.

“No, but seriously, let us run your healthcare,” they said.

According to that, it’s around 65% extreme liberals, about 35% moderates, in Iowa. Iowa is not Berkeley.

So I’m guessing they’re counting precinct by precinct, the way John King does on his magic wall, and the figures change as the more liberal or more conservative precincts check in.

r563 He paid for the text-banking app from the same manufacturer. There's nothing to investigate.

And by the way, the Russians are pushing this app crap hard on Reddit and Twitter. It's the perfect conspiracy theory to delegitimise the DNC and the caucus and rob the first gay candidate of his victory.

R566 I think Poll Troll explained it upthread. I think..., however my Ambien is kicking in.

[quote]Him paying the app maker will have to be investigated.

He arranged it so the reporting app would crap out on caucus night, thus taking the victory away from him? 🥴

Andrew Gillum on CNN is amazing, saying that everyone should calm down and, especially, to dial back on the conspiracy theories.

I never know for sure when threads are going to close these days, so posting the link to Part 3 now just in case.

So the Sanders campaign was actually seriously pissed in that meeting with the IDP?

I literally just created Part 3 seconds ago...

r573 Yes, he said it's all a bust and has been a sham for a hundred years...

R574 I put a "redirect" notice in the other one to go to your Part 3 OP.

Link to the official Part 3 here:

Biden paid that Shadow company for similar services as well and they also worked with Obama and Clinton. Of course, Bernie Twitter conveniently omits that. Even Rep. Omar, a fucking congresswoman is spreading it on Twitter at r458.

r576 What a darling sweetheart you are. 😘

r578 No, YOU are! *smooches*

The county chairs are waking people up to get results. That's the latest.

In other news, Caroline Kennedy just endorsed Biden.

[quote]She is an American author, attorney, and diplomat who served as the United States Ambassador to Japan from 2013 to 2017. She is a prominent member of the Kennedy family and the only surviving child of President John F. Kennedy and First Lady Jacqueline Bouvier Kennedy.

[quote]Pete Buttigieg precinct captain in rural Iowa responds to a caucus-goer flipping out upon learning that he has a same-sex partner. It’s a masterclass in patience, persistence, and love.

R581 did she not see the dead-ringer for her late father and uncle giving a speech tonight?

Ew... Bernie won? I was so excited for Pete :(

Results come out in the morning...

Amy's voice reminds me of someone, and I could never place it....

Until tonight, during her 'victory' speech (Iowa's fuck up is the best thing to ever happen to Amy) it finally hit me

Jeannie Berlin

Amy Klobuchar IS Jeannie Berlin

r586 Omg, YES, totally!

It's fucking uncanny

I think Faye Dunaway should declare the Iowa winner

It’s amazing how mild most of the headlines are. Most are saying it’s just a slight delay, no problems here. There seems to be an effort to avoid calling it a colossal clusterfuck, indicative of the party’s management of the race in general.

I blame caucus, not the Party.

Though hopefully this will make the Party do away with them.

Stupid system

r590 Yeah, at the end of the day, it really is just a technical glitch in the reporting app. The paper trail remains intact. As long as New Hampshire wakes up to a clear delegate winner, it'll all be fine. I'm just sad that the Iowa winner - whoever it ends up being - was robbed of their proper victory speech.

r591 The caucus actually worked fine, much as I hate to admit it. It's the reporting app, forced onto Iowans by those rule changes in 2016, that is to blame. And Nevada is using the same supplier, so that should be fun...

[quote] As long as New Hampshire wakes up to a clear delegate winner

We know already that will be Sanders.

No, we don't. IDP is currently manually verifying the results.

The voters in New Hampshire would be surprised to hear that the IDP is currently verifying New Hampshire’s results, which don’t exist yet.

Erm... what ARE you on about? Look at my quote again...

[quote]As long as New Hampshire wakes up to a clear delegate winner [out of Iowa, d'oh], it'll all be fine.

Anyway here's the new thread.

R581 Caroline Kennedy endorsed a dead horse.

He might recover yet but damn, what timing for an endorsement - just as he bombs in Iowa...