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Golden Age of Hollywood Gossip

These photos of a Glenn Ford were posted by someone on Facebook and it made me curious. I’ve read about Glenn Ford being a notorious womanizer, his list of many conquests included Rita Hayworth, Judy Garland, Hope Lange, Debbie Reynolds, Eva Gabor, Connie Stevens, Stella Stevens, Angie Dickinson, Gloria Grahame, Marilyn Monroe and Brigitte Bardo. Liz Renay said he was one of the best lovers she ever had, and I’ve read a few things about him being well endowed, but I don’t know much else about him, and I didn’t realize that he was hung like a horse! Someone on another forum also said that a man he knew in Los Angeles who worked wardrobe on some of Glenn’s films told him that , “He was blessed below the waist. Tremendously.”

Anyone know what kind of guy he was? Was he totally straight? Any stories about him? Does anyone know about some other classic movie stars who were well hung that they can share stories about?

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by Anonymousreply 566March 22, 2020 10:03 PM

Another photo

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by Anonymousreply 1January 19, 2020 3:31 AM

More pics

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by Anonymousreply 2January 19, 2020 3:32 AM

Pics

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by Anonymousreply 3January 19, 2020 3:35 AM

Glenn Ford had BDE

by Anonymousreply 4January 19, 2020 3:38 AM

One of his first movies was with Bette Davis in A Stolen Life. They worked together again years later in A Pocketful of Miracles, and they soon had a falling out, Bette felt that he was treating her like a charity case. "Who is that son of a bitch that he should say he helped to have a comeback."

by Anonymousreply 5January 19, 2020 4:00 AM

Yes. I always got the same vibe from him. He exuded BDE anytime he entered a scene.

Apparently Bette Davis had a crush on him. The stepson of her ex-husband said on Facebook that she once told him that she had a “feeling for Glenn Ford”, but asked him not to tell anyone about it. I found an excerpt from the Feud book online and it said that she wanted him, and was pissed off that he turned her down, especially because he slept with Joan Crawford. I think seeing him with Hope Lange, and the way he kissed her ass because she was his girlfriend at the time, just rubbed more salt in Bette’s wounds when he didn’t give her the respect she felt she deserved.

by Anonymousreply 6January 19, 2020 4:13 AM

He may have had BDF, but I always found him boring as hell as an actor.

by Anonymousreply 7January 19, 2020 4:26 AM

He was once married to Kathryn Hays (Kim from ATWT). He seemed to be in every movie when I was a kid.

by Anonymousreply 8January 19, 2020 4:27 AM

That’s a colostomy bag, numb nuts.

Your other pic links don’t load.

by Anonymousreply 9January 19, 2020 4:31 AM

I can understand why some people would feel that way. I’ve seen some of his movies on TCM in the past, and never paid much attention at the time. You found him boring in Gilda too?

by Anonymousreply 10January 19, 2020 4:31 AM

A colostomy bag has a head?! I don’t think so. LOL The other two pics are when he was younger. I’ll try to post the links. Here’s one from the 40’s.

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by Anonymousreply 11January 19, 2020 4:34 AM

I once met a man in Laguna who said he’d fucked Ford.

Curious, because, actor Andrew Pine, Chris’s father, is quoted in that FB article that Ford took him “under his wing,” when they both were shooting “Advance to the Rear.” He added that he used to go out with Ford together with Judy Garland, when Ford was seeing her, to all kinds of places.

Now why would Ford include a male buddy along when he was dating a woman?

by Anonymousreply 12January 19, 2020 4:38 AM

1970’s TV appearance

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by Anonymousreply 13January 19, 2020 4:38 AM

40’s

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by Anonymousreply 14January 19, 2020 4:40 AM

Interesting! Did the man give you any other details? Like how they met, and what he was like in bed? Everything else I’ve found said he was 100% straight and a total pussy hound.

Yeah, I read that post on Facebook with that quote from Andrew Prine, it made me wonder too. Maybe Glenn was hoping for a threesome!

by Anonymousreply 15January 19, 2020 4:43 AM

A Pocketful of Miracles & Advance to the Rear.”

by Anonymousreply 16January 19, 2020 4:45 AM

Think I solved the problem. Images were too big.

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by Anonymousreply 17January 19, 2020 4:48 AM

1972

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by Anonymousreply 18January 19, 2020 4:53 AM

Ha Ha The Big Heat!

by Anonymousreply 19January 19, 2020 4:54 AM

My favourite Glenn Ford movie is Human Desire - a reunion with Gloria Graeme directed by Fritz Lang. Very sexy.

by Anonymousreply 20January 19, 2020 4:58 AM

I tried Googling interviews with Kathy Hays, looks like she refuses to discuss Glenn in interviews, makes me wonder what happened between them, the marriage only lasted 2 years.

I recently saw Human Desire for the first time on The Criterion Channel, they were such a hot team.

by Anonymousreply 21January 19, 2020 5:00 AM

Instrumental song break

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by Anonymousreply 22January 19, 2020 5:13 AM

Andrew PRINE is not the father of Chris PINE. Chris's father is Robert Pine.

by Anonymousreply 23January 19, 2020 5:32 AM

Not a colostomy bag. Colostomy bags are strapped to the upper waist where the stoma is located in the abdomen, not between the legs.

by Anonymousreply 24January 19, 2020 5:38 AM

Yeah, looked at IMDB just now, he did do a movie with Robert Pine, Brotherhood of the Bell. Andrew Prine was in Advance to the Rear with him in 1963.

by Anonymousreply 25January 19, 2020 5:41 AM

I swear I recall hearing that Glenn Ford was a major asshole in real life...?

His best performance, imho, is playing the manipulative bad guy in 3:10 to Yuma (1957) opposite Van Heflin (one of my all-time faves).

by Anonymousreply 26January 19, 2020 5:45 AM

Glenn Ford and Dana Andrews are interchangeable actors for me. I prefer Dana Andrews. Glenn Ford seemed deeply unpleasant under his screen persona.

by Anonymousreply 27January 19, 2020 5:46 AM

Dana was sexy, but I thought Glenn was invariably bland. Later, he wore the worst toupee ever.

by Anonymousreply 28January 19, 2020 5:53 AM

Dana's performances in The Ox-Bow Incident, Laura, The Best Years of Our Lives, Daisy Kenyon and Where the Sidewalk Ends outshine anything Glenn Ford ever did.

by Anonymousreply 29January 19, 2020 5:56 AM

Kind of a downmarket James Mason

by Anonymousreply 30January 19, 2020 5:57 AM

Re: Glenn being an asshole, I head that too. Also found a newspaper article online about an ex-fiancée who sued him for a million dollars for physical and emotional abuse. She lived with him for a year. She said he threw his maid down the stairs, threatened to beat her up too, when she tried to help the woman, tried to force her into having sex with him constantly, and threw all of her belongings into the garbage when they broke up. I was wondering if she exaggerated just to win the lawsuit. I also found other accounts online saying the contrary from people like Belinda Carlisle who called him a lovely man in her autobiography. A few others said he was weird.

I think Dana Andrews would have been a bigger star if the drinking didn’t affect his work. His career as a leading man was basically over by the 1950’s. Nobody I’ve ever mentioned him to ever knows who he is, including relatives who are over 60. I’m glad to see him getting some appreciation here.

by Anonymousreply 31January 19, 2020 6:37 AM

Note to OP:

I don't need to see that!

by Anonymousreply 32January 19, 2020 6:48 AM

In "My First 2,000 Men" Liz Renay said he was a real conflicted mess — a cocksman, a mama's boy and a messy drunk all rolled into one.

by Anonymousreply 33January 19, 2020 6:53 AM

Fascinating! Thanks for the info. I wonder why he was so conflicted and messed up? I wonder if he had a mental illness?

by Anonymousreply 34January 19, 2020 7:08 AM

^ Canadian

by Anonymousreply 35January 19, 2020 7:22 AM

Boring, bland, and not that attractive

by Anonymousreply 36January 19, 2020 7:44 AM

Closeted.

by Anonymousreply 37January 19, 2020 8:03 AM

He was messed up because he was Canadian?

by Anonymousreply 38January 19, 2020 12:55 PM

for [R37, 33] from early in Ford's career

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by Anonymousreply 39January 19, 2020 1:16 PM

What makes you thinks he was closeted reply 37? Do you think he was in denial and had sex with lots of women to try to prove something? Or a bisexual who slept with anything that moved like people claim about Errol Flynn? All the articles and book excerpts that I’ve found online said his womanizing was relentless. They said he chased after anything in a skirt.

Ha ha My aunt feels the same way about him, Bodega-cat. She said he was overrated and never understood how he became a leading man.

by Anonymousreply 40January 19, 2020 1:17 PM

BDE is a new term to my ears??🤔

by Anonymousreply 41January 19, 2020 1:18 PM

from another early Ford movie: shirtless 'receipt'

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by Anonymousreply 42January 19, 2020 1:20 PM

for [R31]

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by Anonymousreply 43January 19, 2020 1:23 PM

Matthew Weiner, the creator of Mad Men, said in this interview with Ileana Douglas, that he thinks he was a very handsome man, but that he doesn’t like him as an actor. He said he never bought him. It’s at the end of the interview, at the 1:36 mark. He thinks Rita Hayworth could have done better.

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by Anonymousreply 44January 19, 2020 1:26 PM

For reply 41. BDE means Big Dick Energy. Means you have swagger without being cocky about it. It’s a sexy confidence.

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by Anonymousreply 45January 19, 2020 1:30 PM

Thanks for the pics. Wearing a sweater and having a gun collection makes someone a closeted gay? That movie still photo you linked to is of a doctor giving him a medical exam. I doubt he wrote the script. How does that prove anything? Am I missing some secret code? lol

by Anonymousreply 46January 19, 2020 1:35 PM

Found many stories on Google like this so far, he was only caught cavorting with women, if he was closeted, I don’t know if he ever acted on it, or he hid it very well. Or he was bisexual.

“ From the start, she was very open and frank with us, to the point where she even told us of the time telephone repairmen came to her home and she found one of the workmen in her memorabilia room which included a large framed picture with Fred Astaire from Broadway Melody of 1940. The man asked, "Isn't that Fred Astaire?" After Ellie assured him on that point, he asked, "Who is the girl with him?" She replied, "Well, believe it or not, honey, it's me." He asked, "Weren't you married to Glenn Ford?" When Ellie said yes, he asked, "Would you like to hear a funny story about Mr Ford?" Ellie assured him she would love to hear it and he told her of the time, long after Glenn and Ellie had split, that he and his assistant were working near Glenn Ford's home, high up on a utility pole with a clear view of his backyard. All of a sudden a young woman came running out of the back door, stark naked, followed by an equally non attired Glenn Ford in hot pursuit. Glenn chased her around the pool until, eventually, she let him catch her. The men up the pole greeted their clinch with resounding applause.”

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by Anonymousreply 47January 19, 2020 1:46 PM

Cheers r45 👍

by Anonymousreply 48January 19, 2020 1:47 PM

Reply 32. You don’t need to see his bulge? Sorry Aunt Sassy, but nobody forced you to click on those links! Curiousity... 😺😉🤣

by Anonymousreply 49January 19, 2020 2:11 PM

@ r46, the "secret code" is in the manual right after the Gay Agenda and before you get to your removable Gay Card. You should know that ;-)

by Anonymousreply 50January 19, 2020 2:15 PM

Maybe Judy was in the mood for two big cocks, r12.

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by Anonymousreply 51January 19, 2020 2:44 PM

I sort of get Ford mixed up with Fred McMurray, another unappealing character.

by Anonymousreply 52January 19, 2020 2:50 PM

I preferred Dana's brother Steve, r31.

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by Anonymousreply 53January 19, 2020 2:51 PM

Glenn Ford and Fred MacMurray - INTERVIEW - Playboy Club -p1

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by Anonymousreply 54January 19, 2020 3:06 PM

Hot pic, r51...

by Anonymousreply 55January 19, 2020 3:18 PM

r53 Dreamy gorgeous 🥰😘

by Anonymousreply 56January 19, 2020 3:21 PM

I read that about Andrew Prine and have seen other pics from that photo spread. That’s true, maybe Judy was in the mood for a spit roast.

by Anonymousreply 57January 19, 2020 3:30 PM

Steve was definitely hotter than Dana.

by Anonymousreply 58January 19, 2020 3:34 PM

[quote]BDE means Big Dick Energy. Means you have swagger without being cocky about it. It’s a sexy confidence.

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by Anonymousreply 59January 19, 2020 4:15 PM

According to Mel Torme in that nasty book he wrote about Judy, he called Glenn (who was on location filming) when he was worried that Judy had taken too many pills one night. Glenn showed up, almost punched Mel in the face for the way he had acted, took Judy home, and the next morning Judy was fine and fresh as a daisy.

I actually came away from that with respect for Glenn, because Mel, even in his own words, sounded like a big prissy whiny baby who thought he was better than everyone else.

by Anonymousreply 60January 19, 2020 4:24 PM

My mother's favorite actor was Glenn Ford. I have seen almost every Glenn Ford film. He often reminds me of George Brent:you know he's there but he isn't a distraction or a bother. Have no favorite Ford film. I don't believe he was a great actor or a great star. I was often nonplussed by his fame. But I think he is excellent in " The Big Heat", -1953", Gilda"- 1946, "3:10 To Yuma"-1957, and " Dear Heart"-1964( I think everyone should see this film. All the performances are excellent.). The rest will be vague except for " The Courtship of Eddie"s Father"1963-a Father's Day staple.I can't stand this movie. I think Ron Howard is excellent. But Glenn Ford is a very insensitive, obtuse, and sometimes unthinkingly cruel. And Ford didn't make him a likable father.

by Anonymousreply 61January 19, 2020 4:29 PM

LOVE Dear Heart

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by Anonymousreply 62January 19, 2020 4:33 PM

Kept a huge flock of chickens in his Beverly Hills backyard for years. Only gave them up when he faced arrest.

by Anonymousreply 63January 19, 2020 5:10 PM

@Reply 61. Thanks for sharing that analysis of his movies and your personal feelings about his fame. Very interesting. I agree about Dear Heart. I love that movie. I’ve seen it a few times on TCM, it gets better with every viewing.

From everything I’m reading/hearing so far, Glenn hated kids, he could barely stand his own son when he was a child. He used to yell at kids on the sets of his movies. I found a story today from the set of a film he did with Tom Selleck, a guy said Glenn was very nasty to his kids, Tom actually had to ask him to be nice. I was listening to a radio interview with Glenn’s son this morning, he said he thinks he was an accident, in his father’s diaries he expressed disappointment when his wife told him she was pregnant. It was only 4 months after their marriage, so he said he felt it was, “too much, too soon”, that they hadn’t had enough time alone together as a married couple. His son also said he never told him that he loved him, never hugged him, never had any fatherly talks with, he’d just take the photos with him for fan magazines, then walk away and ignore him the moment the press left, he didn’t see him for 5 years after his divorce from Eleanor, and he was jealous of the attention his wife gave to him, he said his father blamed him for ruining his marriage. He also said that his father would kick him out of his life every time he started a relationship with a new woman, so I’m not surprised he wasn’t a warm and likable dad in The Courtship of Eddie’s Father, he obviously couldn’t feign something he never felt in real life. It’s a good thing Rita Hayworth and those other women had those abortions when he got them pregnant. He obviously wouldn’t have wanted them either.

by Anonymousreply 64January 19, 2020 5:46 PM

Thanks for the Mel Torme/Judy Garland story. So interesting. Sounds like Glenn could be a really cool guy when he wanted to be.

by Anonymousreply 65January 19, 2020 5:49 PM

Peter Ford interview with TCM’s Eddie Muller Part 2

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by Anonymousreply 66January 19, 2020 5:50 PM

Peter Ford interview with TCM’s Eddie Muller Part 3

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by Anonymousreply 67January 19, 2020 5:52 PM

Peter Ford interview with Connie Martinson Part 1

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by Anonymousreply 68January 19, 2020 5:54 PM

Part 2

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by Anonymousreply 69January 19, 2020 5:55 PM

Good thread

by Anonymousreply 70January 19, 2020 5:56 PM

Clark Gable definitely had BDE, but I always thought he was very cocky about it. Did he ever play a humble character? I can’t think of any. I read that he had a small dick though, not saying you need a big cock to have BDE though!

by Anonymousreply 71January 19, 2020 5:57 PM

Can't believe how many responses this thread has! Ford was had no talent and wasn't good looking at all. Sorry, I don't get it. But thanks for letting me join...

by Anonymousreply 72January 19, 2020 6:00 PM

"He may have had BDF, but I always found him boring as hell as an actor."

Agreed.

by Anonymousreply 73January 19, 2020 6:03 PM

I'm fascinated by Ronald Reagan. Seems to be straight but two of his kids gay? I find it weird when straight men go into acting.

by Anonymousreply 74January 19, 2020 6:08 PM

LOL I used to feel the same way about Ford, I was shocked when I started reading comments about how handsome and sexy he was on YouTube videos, then I read the biographies of so many actresses who said they had affairs with him or had crushes on him. I couldn’t see the appeal for years, had zero interest, ignored everything about him, then I started warming up to him recently after The Criterion Channel added 5 of his movies. I avoided watching them at first, I only gave them a try when I saw a message about them leaving soon. I was surprised by how much I liked him in them. A few fans who met him said that he was 100% more handsome in real life and overwhelmingly sexy. I couldn’t see it either for the longest time until I got the chance to recently watch some of his films from the 40’s. Especially when I rewatched Gilda. I’d only seen it when I was 10 years old, I didn’t understand a thing about it then, I only remembered Rita.

by Anonymousreply 75January 19, 2020 6:18 PM

Thanks! Interesting about Ronald Reagan. I didn’t know that two of his kids are gay. Did they actually come out? Is it Ronnie? Who’s the other kid?

by Anonymousreply 76January 19, 2020 6:20 PM

3:10 to Yuma taught me about how sexy Ford was....I am ashamed to say.

by Anonymousreply 77January 19, 2020 6:34 PM

[R50] Oh yeah, THAT secret code. Like the subliminal messages liberal Hollywood has been sending us through the media and movies for decades to brainwash everyone into turning gay. 😉

by Anonymousreply 78January 19, 2020 7:33 PM

In one of the Guinness biographies it says that Sir Alec had quite a crush on Glenn. Ford started feeling very uncomfortable and tried avoiding him whenever possible.

by Anonymousreply 79January 19, 2020 7:36 PM

R74 I see that Ron still denies it.

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by Anonymousreply 80January 19, 2020 7:36 PM

R77 Ashamed to say that it took you so long to find out Ford is sexy, or ashamed that you think he’s sexy?! 😂

For sure, his BDE is off the charts in 3:10 to Yuma. It looks like he wants to fuck Felicia Farr, Van Heflin and Heflin’s wife in the nastiest four way ever. And Richard Jaeckel acts like he wants to suck Glenn’s dick in every scene!

by Anonymousreply 81January 19, 2020 7:48 PM

R61 and R62 Matthew Weiner said in a few interviews that Dear Heart was one of the films that inspired him to create Mad Men and helped him become fascinated with that era. I found a Variety interview where Jon Hamm talks about Glenn Ford being one of his inspirations for his character and performance.

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by Anonymousreply 82January 19, 2020 7:56 PM

I'm not a fan of Glenn Ford, but it could be he's the type of guy that gay men don't respond to, maybe he's more appealing to women, but he must have had some appeal for someone to be a starring actor for so long.

by Anonymousreply 83January 19, 2020 7:58 PM

R61 Q: Don Draper seems to have exposed some secret desire in women to have a man of mystery in their lives. How do you feel about that?

A: [Laughs] Yeah, I think the idea of that is way sexier than the reality of it. I really don't think most women would want to come home to a guy who's cheating on them or sleeping around or any of that stuff. That's a lot sexier when it's on the other side of the screen rather than sitting on the couch. Maybe what they respond to is the sort of sense of quiet or subtle masculinity that Don has, which is a very old-fashioned, male archetype. There are not a lot of guys like that in popular culture any more. It would be a tough sell to say they want to be with guys that cheat on them.

Q: Can you relate to that old-fashioned male archetype?

A: Yeah. John Wayne and Harrison Ford and Glenn Ford, it goes all the way back. The strong, silent type is a big deal and strikes a chord with a lot of people in our culture, not just me. That's the way a lot of men were grown up to be in the world, and the way a lot of men want to be seen.

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by Anonymousreply 84January 19, 2020 8:01 PM

R79 Thanks for that story about Alec Guiness. Interesting. I guess Glenn could tell that Alec was starting to fall for him and decided to keep his distance so he wouldn’t get the wrong idea about his interest in him as anything else besides a friend.

by Anonymousreply 85January 19, 2020 8:06 PM

A colostomy bag is close to your waist and belly button.

When he was young, I thought he was cute but then I read several times that he was a real cheap skate.

by Anonymousreply 86January 19, 2020 8:07 PM

Starring Glenn Ford in his most off-beat role....

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by Anonymousreply 87January 19, 2020 8:09 PM

R86 Exactly. That’s definitely not a colostomy bag. Wrong location and they’re not shaped like a cock! Some people have obviously never seen one and know zero about them.

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by Anonymousreply 88January 19, 2020 8:29 PM

Bodybuilder Blake Bedford with a colostomy bag.

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by Anonymousreply 89January 19, 2020 8:31 PM

R87 Classic movie trailers were the best. I would be running to the theatre right now if it was playing. They really knew how to grab your attention.

by Anonymousreply 90January 19, 2020 8:38 PM

R79

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by Anonymousreply 91January 19, 2020 8:43 PM

R79

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by Anonymousreply 92January 19, 2020 8:44 PM

^ Sadly, Glenn appears to have a flat ass in that pic.

by Anonymousreply 93January 19, 2020 8:54 PM

R93 Think it’s the loose pants and the holster. I was watching a movie called Framed the other day and took these screenshots. His ass looked really full and beefy, that’s why I noticed and screenshot it 😂

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by Anonymousreply 94January 19, 2020 9:03 PM

R93

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by Anonymousreply 95January 19, 2020 9:05 PM

R75 Apparently Nancy Reagan’s mother, herself a former actress before marrying well, was gay or at least bisexual.

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by Anonymousreply 96January 19, 2020 9:52 PM

R96 Interesting! I had no idea. Thanks for the link, I’ll check it out.

by Anonymousreply 97January 19, 2020 10:27 PM

Fukin colostomy bag lessons up in here.

Only on DL, kids.

by Anonymousreply 98January 19, 2020 10:35 PM

He was no Victor Mature.

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by Anonymousreply 99January 19, 2020 10:42 PM

OK, I reread the Liz Renay book where she talks about Glenn Ford. For all the stars she fucked she truly was in love with him, though she admits he treated her terribly and she put up with it for the dick. Some highlights:

- Glenn had a weekly Friday night movie screening at his house, but never once invited Liz.

- After he fucked her one afternoon, he dashed back to the set of "Midway." Liz was on the lot later that day and learned that "Midway" had wrapped three weeks before.

- When a reporter for the National Insider called Liz to find out who her latest boyfriend was, she told him "Glenn Ford." The reporter called Glenn, who said, "I've never met Liz Renay."

- He told Liz that after Barbara Stanwyck broke up with Robert Taylor, she called him up and said, "Glenn, take me into the bedroom and make me a woman again."

Liz's conclusion: "Glenn was behaving like a non-paying trick, coming in and out of my house for one purpose: getting me to spread my legs. ... Once the bedroom door closed behind him, Glenn was out of my life. For Glenn, I was a sexual toy, good to have fun with, but not good enough to be linked with him, even in a news story in a trashy gossip sheet."

by Anonymousreply 100January 19, 2020 11:30 PM

He was a Democrat until his buddy Ronnie Reagan ran for President and then switched to Republican.

I don't know if his penis was ever close to Nancy's lips.

by Anonymousreply 101January 19, 2020 11:31 PM

Always found him bland as an actor. I was under the impression that he had a drinking problem which was part of his asshole-ishness. He dated a lot of Hollywood. He briefly dated Donna Reed after her divorce from Tony Owen.

by Anonymousreply 102January 20, 2020 12:31 AM

I just looked at the Criterion Channel and no Glenn Ford movies were on there! I know I saw "Gilda" was on there for a long time. Do they warn you that films are leaving? This is why we prefer DVDs, kids.

by Anonymousreply 103January 20, 2020 1:03 AM

r103 if you don't know how to watch anything you want for free online by now, you're hopeless.

by Anonymousreply 104January 20, 2020 1:05 AM

It’s only free for you if somebody else has already paid for it, freeloader at R104.

by Anonymousreply 105January 20, 2020 1:07 AM

If it's been out of print for years and nowhere available "officially" online, it's fair game.

by Anonymousreply 106January 20, 2020 1:09 AM

GILDA is not "out of print" yet by any means. It’s available on Blu-ray from Criterion, and "officially" online at Amazon Prime.

by Anonymousreply 107January 20, 2020 1:20 AM

People still buy DVDs? Wow.

by Anonymousreply 108January 20, 2020 1:37 AM

R103 Usually they have a list of the films they're removing at the bottom of the webpage. I wouldn't be too upset, it'll appear on there again, I bet.

by Anonymousreply 109January 20, 2020 2:36 AM

R99 wow! that's some dong!

by Anonymousreply 110January 20, 2020 4:47 AM

If he had Debbie Reynolds , does this Mean she is not a Sapphic ?

by Anonymousreply 111January 20, 2020 6:20 AM

Like others have said I had heard Glenn Ford was pretty much an asshole. I never saw the appeal, but we all have our own taste.

by Anonymousreply 112January 20, 2020 6:38 AM

Glenn Ford was quite good for parts where the lead actor had to appear to be quietly gay or at least swing both ways. He's a little inexperienced in GILDA (despite having acted for nearly a decade by then) but fantastic in 3:10 TO YUMA. I like him in THE BIG HEAT but feel the movie is a bit overrated as far as its place in the film noir pantheon.

Sometimes though he really is just dull as dirt. He's a total wet noodle in BLACKBOARD JUNGLE, and I know he's supposed to be a little square, but good grief he's a big yawn.

by Anonymousreply 113January 20, 2020 11:50 AM

When I saw Gilda years ago I fell for him. Found him both very cute and hot. When Rita says to him 'I hate you too Johnny, I hate you so much I think I'm going to die from it." it kills me.

Yeah he was supposed to be a total asshole but so was Jimmy Stewart. They're actors for Christ's sake.

by Anonymousreply 114January 20, 2020 6:13 PM

Stewart was not an asshole. Most people who worked with him had positive things to say.

by Anonymousreply 115January 20, 2020 6:28 PM

Not Donna Reed or Maureen O'Hara.

by Anonymousreply 116January 20, 2020 6:40 PM

He was very moving in Superman.

And I loved him in Fate is the Hunter.

by Anonymousreply 117January 20, 2020 6:42 PM

A lot of people on social media sites say that John Stamos looks like Glenn, anyone else see the resemblance? Some girls thought he was Zac Efron or Rider Strong when this color photo of a young Ford was posted on Instagram. I’ve also seen his looks compared to Paul Buttigieg.

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by Anonymousreply 118January 20, 2020 7:14 PM

Color picture

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by Anonymousreply 119January 20, 2020 7:15 PM

Color 2

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by Anonymousreply 120January 20, 2020 7:17 PM

R100 Thanks for summarizing the highlights from Liz’s book for me. Sounds like she was a slave to the dick when it came to Glenn. It’s impressive that she considered him her greatest lover, and that he was the only guy she fell in love with out of all those famous men she fucked. He was obviously just using her for sex, too cheap to pay a prostitute and he only thought of her as a whore, he clearly felt like she wasn’t good enough for her to be seen in public with him because of her reputation. I’m sure other women have similar stories about him treating them like shit. It appears he was impossible to live with. I love her honesty and candor. It does sound like fabulous book. I’ll have to get a copy. Who are some of the other actors she writes about?

by Anonymousreply 121January 20, 2020 7:22 PM

Why pay a prostitute when a beautiful woman will do it for free? Everyone likes free stuff. Also it's quite the ego booster. But then it turns into a trap. You get old and still think young attractive women want you for yourself. Just like once handsome eldergays think twinks are attracted to them.

by Anonymousreply 122January 20, 2020 7:34 PM

I once met one of Glenn Ford's ex-wives who told me he drank so much he'd pass out and piss himself in bed at night. This, when he was a very old man.

by Anonymousreply 123January 20, 2020 7:53 PM

According to imdb, he married four times (once to Eleanor Powell), and had affairs with Judy Garland, Connie Stevens, Suzanne Pleshette, Rhonda Fleming, Roberta Collins, Terry Moore, Angie Dickinson, Debbie Reynolds, Jill St. John, Brigitte Bardot and Loretta Young. he also slept with such leading ladies as Rita Hayworth, Maria Schell, Geraldine Brooks, Stella Stevens, Gloria Grahame, Eva Gabor and Barbara Stanwyck: "He had a one-night stand with Marilyn Monroe in 1962 and a fling with Joan Crawford in the early 1940s. He also had a long-term relationship with actress Hope Lange in the early 1960s."

That's a lot of the most beautiful famous women in the world.

I am impressed because he just wasn't that handsome. He must have been very charismatic and insistent.

by Anonymousreply 124January 20, 2020 8:05 PM

R122 True. Good point. I think anyone would rather get free sex from a beautiful woman who cares for you than pay a prostitute. It’s usually hard to find a hooker who’s attractive and in good shape from everything that I’ve read. Too much hassle. Sounds like he liked to play mind games too, he definitely enjoyed the ego boost it gave him when he charmed those gorgeous women into falling in love with him. Almost every woman who met him described him as overwhelmingly handsome and sexy. Even the ones who weren’t attracted to him. I read that Eleanor Powell was a virgin when they got married, their son said that her first sexual experience was on their wedding night. Before Glenn she had been pursued by Clark Gable and Robert Taylor, but she turned all of them down and fell for Glenn. True. Things start to go downhill for everyone as they age, nobody can keep up that pace and women are obviously not going to look at you the same way they look at a younger man, especially when he started having the inevitable medical problems when he was a very old man. He lived to 90. Anyone who lives that long will be pissing themselves in bed at night. It happens to everyone.

by Anonymousreply 125January 20, 2020 8:17 PM

[quote] He lived to 90. Anyone who lives that long will be pissing themselves in bed at night. It happens to everyone.

I beg your pardon!

by Anonymousreply 126January 20, 2020 8:23 PM

R124 As they say, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. From everything I’m reading many women and men did find him very handsome. Google “Glenn Ford handsome” and you’ll see all the articles and comments from people who thought he was handsome. Mad Man creator Matthew Weiner called him a very handsome man, he just didn’t like him as an actor. I read a few comments saying he was 100% more handsome in person, so maybe charisma was also a part of it. I used to feel the same way though. It was only very recently that I started to think he was attractive. Yes. His son confirmed all of those relationships and affairs. He has his diaries and intimate phone conversations between Ford and the women. Ford recorded very phone conversation for 50 years. He installed a taping system in the late 1940’s. Basically every actor and actress in Hollywood at that time is in those recordings. And a few presidents, including Richard Nixon. His affair with Rita Hayworth lasted 40 years, he got her pregnant a few times and she had abortions.

by Anonymousreply 127January 20, 2020 8:30 PM

R126 It does, sorry to tell you. I have several friends who work at nursing homes, they say that every one of them pisses their beds at one time or another, and it starts in their 60s and 70s for many people from the research that I’ve done. But young people piss themselves in bed when they drink too much too! 🤣

by Anonymousreply 128January 20, 2020 8:34 PM

Details of Glenn Ford’s secret recordings

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by Anonymousreply 129January 20, 2020 8:36 PM

I see some resemblance to Chris Pine in the younger photos of Glenn Ford.

by Anonymousreply 130January 20, 2020 8:40 PM

I think all actors and every human being in history has assholish moments. You will find good and bad stories about everyone. We all get moody sometimes. I haven’t heard many bad stories about Jimmy Stewart though, but I don’t know much about him. Only what I’ve read online.

Many interesting comments. I appreciate all of them, thanks to everyone who’s joined this thread, even the people who aren’t fans, I find your comments and views just as interesting.

by Anonymousreply 131January 20, 2020 8:45 PM

Out of all the Golden Age stars, I've heard that Bing Crosby was the biggest raging asshole.

by Anonymousreply 132January 20, 2020 8:46 PM

Jolson was supposedly even a bigger asshole than Bing but then I suppose only 10 people on the planet still know who he was. Bing has Christmas. Jolson has nothing.

by Anonymousreply 133January 20, 2020 8:57 PM

Yes, Al Jolson's whole act is so offensive and archaic, his work hasn't been seen or heard in any mainstream capacity for a very long time.

by Anonymousreply 134January 20, 2020 9:01 PM

R132 I’ve heard that for years about Bing. One of my uncles always talked about it. He loathed him. Refused to watch or listen to anything with him. He thought he was the biggest phony ever. I never heard that about Jolson, but I’ve never read much about him. His only legacy is blackface, so it’s not surprising that he’s never mentioned. The few people who still know who he is want to keep that buried. You can’t blame them. He was just an embarrassment.

by Anonymousreply 135January 20, 2020 9:08 PM

Al Jolson is really only known today by people who are interested in the history film, and various film scholars.

by Anonymousreply 136January 20, 2020 9:11 PM

Also Jolson on stage was supposed to have been enthralling. I don't think anyone was bigger in the 20s. Hard to see it today.

by Anonymousreply 137January 20, 2020 9:34 PM

R136 I only know about Jolson through my uncle who liked the biopic movie about him, The Jolson Story. He’d rent the videotape all the time, also because I’ve read Hollywood bios and show biz history books since I was a child. There would be no way else for anybody else to heard of him today.

Basically every vaudeville act would be met with crickets by modern audiences. There weren’t many options in entertainment back in the 20’s, you had silent films, radio and vaudeville, that was about it, and they obviously weren’t going to give an actual black man with genuine talent the chance to perform in the big venues.

by Anonymousreply 138January 20, 2020 9:57 PM

Glenn was always one of those actors I didnt mind watching but never really sought him out . I have met men who dont really look as hot in pics but when you meet them in person they are sexy beasts . Maybe Glenn was one of those .

by Anonymousreply 139January 20, 2020 9:58 PM

As a young man, my dad was his doppelganger. Ford became a raging alcoholic in later life.

by Anonymousreply 140January 20, 2020 10:06 PM

R139 Same. I used to watch his movies when they’d come on TV, and I enjoyed them, but I never gave him a second thought after the film was over. That’s a good point. I agree. It definitely sounds like Glenn was one of those guys that many people would have to see in person to feel the full impact of his sex appeal.

by Anonymousreply 141January 20, 2020 10:08 PM

I've heard a lot of gossip about Hollywood stars from the Golden Age but I never heard anywhere that Glenn Ford was gay or bi. Quite the opposite in fact. He was a womanizer.

by Anonymousreply 142January 20, 2020 10:09 PM

R142 Same. I’ve never found any verifiable accounts anywhere from people who knew or met Glenn that said he was gay or bi, not even the hint of any gossip. They all call him an insatiable womanizer who looked at anything in a skirt. The list of actresses and starlets he had affairs with is endless and it all seems to be documented with proof to back it up. This thread is the first time I’ve read anyone say it. That’s why I asked in this forum, I was curious if any stories were out there.

by Anonymousreply 143January 20, 2020 10:18 PM

R103 The Criterion Channel had 5 Glenn Ford films when they first launched, I think they were available for about 4 months. Yes, they always have a message on bottom of their homepage telling you when films are leaving, that’s why I finally decided to marathon them one night. They had the Columbia Noir collection which included Gilda, Human Desire, The Big Heat and Experiment in Terror. They also had Jubal a western that’s on Criterion Blu Ray Ernest Borgnine, Rod Steiger and Charles Bronson are also in that one. All of those films are available to buy from ITunes and Amazon Prime if you don’t want to watch them on the free sites.

by Anonymousreply 144January 20, 2020 11:13 PM

R114 Same. The way Rita delivers that line in Gilda always kills me. So much passion in her voice and face. You can feel every word. She wasn’t just acting. Their chemistry set the screen on fire. Of course it had to spill over into real life between them.

by Anonymousreply 145January 21, 2020 12:40 AM

R130 I can also see the Chris Pine resemblance in the young Glenn photos.

by Anonymousreply 146January 21, 2020 3:44 AM

R111 Ask Eddie Fisher.

by Anonymousreply 147January 21, 2020 3:48 AM

Did Bette get a chance to ride Glenn's pole?

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by Anonymousreply 148January 21, 2020 4:33 AM

R138, Bert Williams begs to differ.

by Anonymousreply 149January 21, 2020 4:46 AM

R148 According to Glenn’s son, the son of Bette’s ex husband, and the Feud book, Bette wanted Glenn badly, she always had a crush on him, and pursued him, but she’s probably the only actress that he turned down! Here’s the excerpt from his son’s book that someone posted. I think the account was taken from Glenn’s diary.

Bette Davis and Glenn Ford on the set of A Stolen Life 1946. Behind the scenes excerpt from Glenn Ford: A Life by Peter Ford.

”On the last day on location filming Bette asked Glenn to celebrate by having dinner with her at the Pebble Beach Golf Course clubhouse. They had a luxurious meal, enhanced by a couple of bottles of wine. Afterward they went for a stroll out on the moonlit grounds. Bette led him to a manicured plot of ground on the eighteenth green, overlooking the Pacific, glistening in the light of a full moon. Glenn recalled:

“Suddenly Bette reached up and held me and planted a kiss on my lips. I was startled. In the back of my mind I had sometimes thought Bette had been interested in more than my acting prowess, but we had gotten to be friends, and nothing like that had happened before—she knew I was enjoying a happy marriage with a new baby at home. I honestly felt I had never done anything to provoke her. While I stood there not knowing what to say she started to unbutton her blouse. Later I would hear that this was what she did when she wanted to seduce someone, exposing her breasts. She was a very attractive woman and had breasts that were absolutely unbelievable. But I was very much in love with my wife at the time, and I simply wasn’t interested. I told her, “I’m sorry, Bette, I just can’t.” She said I was stupid. She said, “You’ll never regret the things you did. You’ll only regret what you didn’t do.” There was a very awkward moment as we stood there before she covered her breasts again. But she took it in stride and never mentioned it again. We remained on very friendly terms for the rest of the picture.”

by Anonymousreply 150January 21, 2020 4:49 AM

He had a fling with Joan before this, I don’t know if Bette knew that at the time from what I’ve read so far, but that had to piss her off even more when he rejected her, especially when she found out that he basically screwed every other actress he worked with.

by Anonymousreply 151January 21, 2020 4:53 AM

R149 I’ve never heard of Bert Williams. Did he become as big a star as Jolson?

by Anonymousreply 152January 21, 2020 4:53 AM

Bert Williams was one of the biggest stars in America. As big as Jolson and more influential.

by Anonymousreply 153January 21, 2020 5:01 AM

r150 thanks for your post.

by Anonymousreply 154January 21, 2020 5:02 AM

R153 Really? Did they make a biopic movie about him or a documentary? I’d be interested in watching it to learn more. I’ve never heard anyone mention him before, not on TV nor in real life, I guess I need to read more books about stars of the 1920’s. Thanks for the info. Fascinating.

by Anonymousreply 155January 21, 2020 5:10 AM

Oh come on. Bette was homely compared to the women he could have. I have no doubt she had beautiful breasts but with that face it had to be quite the dick wilter. Had he been with Rita on that moonlit night he would have been 'what wife?'

by Anonymousreply 156January 21, 2020 5:12 AM

R154 You’re welcome. I found a few sources online that said Glenn lied and did actually sleep with Bette, they claim he just said that stuff about his wife and new son so people wouldn’t think he was a pig, so who knows. He admitted to starting an affair with Rita Hayworth only a few months later in the same year he rejected Bette, so maybe Glenn was telling the truth and Bette caught him at the wrong moment, or he didn’t want to admit that he didn’t find Bette sexually appealing and insult her. Someone also posted a story from his son’s book about Orson Welles going to his house and trying to shoot him when he found out about he and Rita. I can also post that excerpt if you’re interested.

by Anonymousreply 157January 21, 2020 5:15 AM

R156 😂😂😂 That’s what I thought! We’ve read about all of the beautiful women he screwed, Bette was definitely not his type. He liked them young and sexy. He was still dating 25 year olds when he was in his 80’s. And as I said, he jumped at Rita’s invitation a few months later, I think Glenn was only trying to be polite.

by Anonymousreply 158January 21, 2020 5:19 AM

Old Hollywood makes new Hollywood seem tame.

by Anonymousreply 159January 21, 2020 5:21 AM

Here’s a pic one of Glenn’s girlfriends when he was in his 70’s, they all looked like this.

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by Anonymousreply 160January 21, 2020 5:22 AM

I believe they're called "escorts."

by Anonymousreply 161January 21, 2020 5:25 AM

R159 Absolutely. I can’t never get enough of old Hollywood stories, they had the kind of freedom back then to get up to all kinds of crazy shenanigans without having any fear of anyone capturing it on video with their IPhones. I was watching an interview with Glenn’s son on the 3:10 to Yuma special features and he said that people have no idea how wild it was back then, much crazier than now, they also didn’t have some of the laws we have now and all the metoo stuff. I’ve read that Glenn literally had a casting couch in his house for starlets who wanted to be in his movies. He’d be kicked out of Hollywood along with almost every other actor from that era if he were working today.

by Anonymousreply 162January 21, 2020 5:27 AM

Jesus it looks like she could be his granddaughter. Very creepy.

by Anonymousreply 163January 21, 2020 5:28 AM

Things have not changed since then R160. Check out Leo's girlfriends or even Jack Nicholson. Money and fame will always attract a bitch willing to prostitute themselves for the luxury life.

by Anonymousreply 164January 21, 2020 5:29 AM

R161 I don’t know what she was called, but that girlfriend in the pic above lived with Glenn for over 10 years. I found a story mentioning it in an online Variety article. He was engaged to dozens of women. I found a story on FB that said he’d promise to marry them on the first date so they’d immediately hop into bed with him, he’d actually call the reporter in front of them, then he’d call the newspaper and have them retract the story a week later, that’s what he did to Tyrone Power’s ex wife, Linda Christian and she was furious.

by Anonymousreply 165January 21, 2020 5:32 AM

R163 I know, I actually thought that she was his granddaughter until I read the caption!

by Anonymousreply 166January 21, 2020 5:34 AM

R164 True. It’s still the same, I don’t think it will ever change. There will always be young women willing to prostitute themselves to live that kind of lifestyle. It’s easier to them than having a real 9 to 5 job.

by Anonymousreply 167January 21, 2020 5:36 AM

R163 I found this article about that particular girlfriend suing The Globe tabloid because they made her sound like a prostitute in one of their stories, she lost the case. Here’s the article. She started out as his nurse.

ACTOR'S NURSE LOSES SUIT AGAINST TABLOID By Deseret News Oct 18, 1992, 12:00am MDT

A private nurse who took care of Glenn Ford for seven years lost a defamation lawsuit claiming a supermarket tabloid implied she was among young blondes having sex with the actor.

Pauline Kiernan filed the lawsuit against Globe International Inc. after a July 1991 story that said:"Glenn's still quite the gallivanter in Hollywood circles, constantly collecting gorgeous young blondes, like these two stunners, to share his swinging lifestyle."

A Superior Court jury returned a verdict on Oct. 8 in favor of the Globe. Ford didn't appear in court.

"I think the jury found that the article was not defamatory. They also concluded that we adequately presented the relationship between her and Mr. Ford," said attorney Anthony Michael Glassman, who represented the Globe.

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by Anonymousreply 168January 21, 2020 5:40 AM

Isn’t Lindsay Lohan an escort now? I know that I’ve read about her being paid for sex by wealthy Arab businessmen since the acting roles dried up for her.

by Anonymousreply 169January 21, 2020 5:42 AM

1963 Press Photo Actress Linda Christian talks of Glenn Ford's "proposal" - CA

This is an original press photo. Hollywood. Actress Linda Christian gestures outside a Hollywood movie stage today as she tells newsmen actor Glenn Ford is acting "like a kindergarten pupil" in denying that he made a serious proposal of marriage last night. Ford, quoted by a newsman as confirming the engagement proposal last night, said today he was surprised the newsman took him seriously. Photo measures 8 x 11 inches. Photo is dated 03-06-1963.

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by Anonymousreply 170January 21, 2020 5:48 AM

Beverly Hills, 10 September 1977 - Glenn Ford marriage with Cynthia Hayward. Photo from left to right. Pat Stacy (36) partner of John Wayne, Gloria Hatrick McLean (59) and her husband James Stewart (69), Barbara A. Blakely (50) and her husband Frank Sinatra (62), John Wayne (70), the reverend Robert Schuller (51), Stefanie Powers (35) and her boyfriend William Holden (59), Cynthia Hayward (29) with her new husband Glenn (61).

Every wife/girlfriend in this photo was at least 10 years younger than these Golden Age actors who attended his 1977 wedding . Of course Glenn’s wife was the youngest. Mary Tyler Moore, George Peppard, Robert Goulet, Jonathan Winters and Desi Arnaz were also among the other stars who attended this wedding according to newspaper reports that I found online. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall in that house on that day!

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by Anonymousreply 171January 21, 2020 6:09 AM

R165 Okay, that's actually pretty nutty. He sounds like quite the asshole, indeed.

R171 I can't get over how much "younger" people look now. Jesus, William Holden is only 59 there. He looks like he's about 75!

by Anonymousreply 172January 21, 2020 6:37 AM

Great thread. I think I'll watch Gilda tonight. I haven't seen it since I was a teenager, when it would have been cut up with commercials and probably "edited for television".

I think the photo at R119 captures some of what all these women saw in Glenn Ford. Look at that devilish little smile! Unlike some of the comments here, I do think he was quite handsome in his prime but I never really thought of him as devastatingly sexy. Looking at some these photos, though, you can see the appeal - especially those color pictures. I love B&W portraits and think many people look better in them, but Ford looks better in color.

by Anonymousreply 173January 21, 2020 8:58 AM

Gilda rocks. It’s dark and twisty like all the best noirs but it also has a really sharp, witty script that makes it more fun to watch than a lot of the others. It helps that Put the Blame on Mame is really, really catchy.

Glenn Ford isn’t really anything special in it, though. He had chemistry with Hayworth but if she wasn’t on screen with him, his presence practically disappeared. It’s not a terribly dynamic role, though, so he was probably as good a pick as any.

by Anonymousreply 174January 21, 2020 9:45 AM

[quote]It helps that Put the Blame on Mame is really, really catchy.

It certainly is, R174. It certainly is. As one of the comments at Youtube says, it doesn't get any more 1940s than this.

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by Anonymousreply 175January 21, 2020 10:07 AM

[quote]Bette was homely compared to the women he could have

Bette bagged a lot of handsome co-stars and directors, even in her "homely" years. She slept with actors like Bogart and Gig Young, and basically stole Anatole Litvak away from Miriam Hopkins. She and George Brent had an on-again off-again affair for decades.

I know Ford's son says Glenn never slept with Bette, but a lot of gossip over the decades has said otherwise, and why would a poonhound turn down a quick fling or one-night stand? Guys like Glenn aren't that picky.

by Anonymousreply 176January 21, 2020 12:16 PM

R172 Definitely. Sounds like he got a big kick out of mind games from what I’ve read so far. He appears to have played them with everyone in his life, including his son. Some people have said in comments on YouTube that they think he was bipolar or had some other kind of mental illness. I know, it always amazes me how much older people used to look, most 50 years olds looked 70, the constant drinking, smoking and baking in the sun to get some “color”, without any protection didn’t help either.

by Anonymousreply 177January 21, 2020 1:18 PM

R173 Thanks! Please do rewatch Gilda. I appreciated so much more as an adult and finally understood everything that went over my head in the first viewing. Yes, that devilish little smile and the mischievous twinkle in his blue eyes are what I’ve seen mentioned a lot by women. I agree. I think Glenn needs to be seen in living color to get the full impact of his looks and charm. As for B&W photos, this one is a favorite mine.

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by Anonymousreply 178January 21, 2020 1:29 PM

I’ll try that link again.

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by Anonymousreply 179January 21, 2020 1:30 PM

R173 This screenshot is from a 1943 technicolor film Glenn starred in called The Desperadoes.

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by Anonymousreply 180January 21, 2020 1:35 PM

R176 Good point. I’ve also heard about a lot of the gossip over the decades that said Glenn and Bette were lovers. I’ve read a few show biz bios in the past that claimed it was a fact. It definitely makes me wonder what the truth was and if I believe that Glenn was telling the whole truth in his version. I still think he might not have wanted to admit that he was fucking around on his wife only a month after she gave birth. When he was on Tattletales with Milton Berle, Milton made a crack about knowing more about Ford’s romantic past than Glenn’s wife did, and he said he could tell us all about it, Glenn nudged him and told him to shut up. In one interview his son said that he would never reveal many of the details in his diaries and those taped phone conversations out of respect to the families of the many women, so we’ll never know what he doesn’t want to tell us unless someone ever gets a hold of those diaries and tape recordings. I didn’t know that about Bette, Gig and George Brent, but did Young and Brent ever bag women like Rita and some of the other beautiful actresses that Glenn had that have been mentioned? I do agree about him probably not being picky, sounds like he’d screw anything with a pussy if it was offered to him.

by Anonymousreply 181January 21, 2020 1:52 PM

Another B&W young Ford photo that’s a favorite of mine.

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by Anonymousreply 182January 21, 2020 1:58 PM

R176 I wonder who the actress was that Glenn was talking about here? The host obviously couldn’t ask, and Glenn wouldn’t have told him anyway.

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by Anonymousreply 183January 21, 2020 2:49 PM

R155, I am sure there is a documentary about him somewhere, but he is referenced in almost any history of American pop culture. He was both a singer and comedian and immensely influential in both. There are a couple of biographies, but he is also discussed anywhere people talk about the Ziegfeld Follies (since he was their biggest star) or the history of musical theater. There were a number of short pieces about him when the film of Chicago came out since it has a pastiche "Bert Williams" song.

If you are looking at biopics for a history of American entertainment, you will probably be pretty uninformed.

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by Anonymousreply 184January 21, 2020 2:52 PM

I've also never heard of Bert Williams.

by Anonymousreply 185January 21, 2020 4:13 PM

"I was watching an interview with Glenn’s son on the 3:10 to Yuma special features and he said that people have no idea how wild it was back then, much crazier than now, they also didn’t have some of the laws we have now and all the metoo stuff."

Please, there are plenty of women back then with metoo stories. A lot of the guys in the old studio system were predators, like Darryl Zanuck. You sound like a right-winger.

by Anonymousreply 186January 21, 2020 5:31 PM

Jimmy Stewart was a bigot and a racist. Read Woody Strode’s autobiography.

by Anonymousreply 187January 21, 2020 7:00 PM

R186 I’ve been well aware of those stories about Hollywood predators like Daryl Zanuck and Harry Cohn for years, I’ve read about it in almost every actor’s biography, show biz book and entertainment magazine since I was a child in the 90’s, I had books from the 1960’s that discussed it at length, and they’ve been writing about it since Hollywood began. I was quoting Glenn’s son, his son is a Republican. I’m definitely not a right-winger LOL Far from it. When the #metoo movement started gaining public attention, and some people acted so shocked about those casting couch stories, and the rampant sexual harassment, I couldn’t understand why it was news to anyone. I had discussed those stories with my family and friends for years. Nobody I knew was shocked. I thought it was a well known fact that everyone was aware of. Of course the women always had stories, men did too, but nobody wanted to know about it back then. They tried to ignore it for years or just dismissed as being a part of Hollywood, if you wanted a part, you had to pay the piper, so to speak. Only a naive idiot would be shocked by it.

by Anonymousreply 188January 21, 2020 7:31 PM

The predators faced no consequences back then, that’s also what I meant. When actors complained about it they were blacklisted and that was the end of it.

by Anonymousreply 189January 21, 2020 7:36 PM

R184 Thanks for the info. I never heard about any of this. I haven’t read much about the Ziegfeld Follies, or the history of vaudeville. I only know Jolson because I heard his name mentioned by relatives, and he’s also written about in books about the history of early cinema because he was the first person to sing on screen in a full length feature film, if I remember correctly. It appears that Bert Williams didn’t do much film work, that’s why I wouldn’t have had the chance to read about him until now. He wasn’t referenced in any of the documentaries I saw in the past about American pop culture, but he might be in the more recent docs that have passed me by. I appreciate the help.

Oh yeah, I know biopics are basically 99% fiction, I never watch them. I asked if there had been one about Williams because you said that he was more famous than Jolson, so I assumed they would have made a biopic about him like they made about Jolson.

by Anonymousreply 190January 21, 2020 7:52 PM

R187 I had no idea about Jimmy Stewart. I’ll look into that bio you mentioned. Thanks.

by Anonymousreply 191January 21, 2020 7:59 PM

Most of the actresses we're gay so if he is womanizing with actresses it's just publicity. Publicists controlled this kind of information. There was no social media.

by Anonymousreply 192January 21, 2020 7:59 PM

R192 Some actresses were gay, not most of them. I know about the public dates studios set all of them up on, I’m talking about the many stories where he was observed womanizing in private with unnamed starlets when he didn’t know anyone was watching him, or the actresses that he slept with that he never discussed their relationships with him publicly. Liz Renay is one who wrote a book about her affair with him, he never took her out in public and denied knowing her. Not the date to a premiere type stuff. He was married during most of those years to Eleanor Powell, his publicists promoted him as a family man in the fan magazines, the articles are online, they weren’t publicizing his womanizing and cheating. They kept it a secret.

by Anonymousreply 193January 21, 2020 8:17 PM

I was watching an old carry grant movie and was surprised when the actor complained that pressure from the coloured vote would result in an innocent white man getting death penalty.

by Anonymousreply 194January 21, 2020 8:32 PM

Screenland magazine 1946

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by Anonymousreply 195January 21, 2020 8:36 PM

Movie Stars Parade 1947

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by Anonymousreply 196January 21, 2020 8:38 PM

^^ A few examples of the typical family man stories the fan magazines used to print about Glenn Ford.

by Anonymousreply 197January 21, 2020 8:39 PM

R194 Do you know the name of the movie? Sounds intriguing.

by Anonymousreply 198January 21, 2020 8:42 PM

R176, Eddie Fisher wrote in his book that Bette Davis was practically salivating over him at a party years ago, but he rejected her and she was not pleased.

by Anonymousreply 199January 21, 2020 8:44 PM

R194, "His Girl Friday"?

by Anonymousreply 200January 21, 2020 8:45 PM

"I can't get over how much "younger" people look now. Jesus, William Holden is only 59 there. He looks like he's about 75!"

They drank themselves to sleep every night, they smoked 3 packs a day, they never stepped inside a gym and plastic surgery was not as advanced.

by Anonymousreply 201January 21, 2020 9:21 PM

R175 Insanely catchy. I sing it to myself for days whenever I watch Gilda. I watched that clip again. Now I can’t get it out of my head.

R199 Poor Bette. Sounds like she was rejected by more than a few younger actors. It says in the Feud book that she didn’t handle Glenn’s rejection well either. She specifically chose him to be her leading man in A Stolen Life, they wanted Robert Alda, but she wanted Glenn as soon as she laid eyes on him, I guess she thought he would show his gratitude to her in bed.

by Anonymousreply 202January 21, 2020 9:31 PM

R200 Thanks. I’ve never seen His Girl Friday. I always thought it was just a light screwball comedy, so I never bothered, it sounds way more interesting now that you’ve told me more about them addressing the subject of race relations in it. I’ll try to check it out.

by Anonymousreply 203January 21, 2020 9:35 PM

R201 Exactly. They also had harder earlier lives. Many people had to work hard labor to support their families before they made it in show biz, many were in the military. They had a completely different lifestyle back then.

by Anonymousreply 204January 21, 2020 9:38 PM

R148 These excerpts are from another Hollywood book, it appears to come from various sources, it mentions Debbie Reynolds, Eva Gabor, Bette, Joan, Rita and Linda Christian.

“The picture Debbie made with Glenn Ford was aptly named It Started With a Kiss. “The first time Glenn kissed me off screen—yes, with tongue—I fell madly in love with him, even though I didn’t want to. He was the sweetest-smelling man I’d ever met. To put it bluntly, he was good enough to eat. God, I’m getting vulgar.”

Ford’s long-time lover Liz Renay once confided to a friend that he had “the sweetest tasting cum.” Said Liz, “I got to know every inch of his big dick. He inserted it into every orifice I had or between my breasts.” He was a hard driving pounder. He left me screaming at orgasm time.” Even though she fell madly in love with him—and agreed to “perform every sex act imaginable”—he eventually dumped her.

In the 1940s, Ford had been one of Debbie’s favorite leading men, and now, she could turn over in bed and look directly into his handsome face. He was the ideal leading man both in weepies and in romances, and he brought a genial and relaxed sincerity to the screen. In the words of one critic, “Glenn Ford can be a brooding menace, heroic, taciturn, wise, foolish, amiable, dull, or sardonic.”

In the 1940s, Ford had been one of Debbie’s favorite leading men, and now, she could turn over in bed and look directly into his handsome face. He was the ideal leading man both in weepies and in romances, and he brought a genial and relaxed sincerity to the screen. In the words of one critic, “Glenn Ford can be a brooding menace, heroic, taciturn, wise, foolish, amiable, dull, or sardonic.”

At the time that Debbie first worked with him, and he romanced her, he was at the peak of his career, appearing at number one on Quigley’s List of Top Ten Box Office Champions.

As Ford later confided to his best friend, William Holden, and others of his cronies, “Debbie couldn’t get enough of me. She told me she didn’t know a woman could have an orgasm until I gave her her first. Ford told his longtime friend and director, George Marshall, “I fell in love with Debbie and asked her to marry me, but she’s holding me off on wedded bliss. She wants the bliss without the wedding. I don’t think she really loves me. This is a bit vain to say, but I think she’s in our relationship just for the sex, and she’s getting plenty of that.”

As Marshall knew so well, many stars had had sex with Ford without wanting marriage. Such was the case with Joan Crawford and Rita Hayworth, who had sustained an affair with Ford for years, ever since they’d co-starred together in Gilda (1946). Barbara Stanwyck had had an affair with Ford, and so had Margaret Sullavan when they had co-starred together in So Ends Our Night (1941).

These women had called him back time and time again for repeats, all except Marilyn Monroe with whom he’d had only a brief fling. Starlet Linda Christian had praised his sexual prowess, claiming he was far better than her husband, Tyrone Power.

When he’d made A Stolen Life (1946) with Bette Davis, she had come on to him, but he had rejected her. Forever after she’d referred to him as “that shithead.”

Eva Gabor said, “Glenn was one of my greatest lovers,”. “He had this wonderful masculine aroma that was intoxicating. When he got up to leave for work, I longed for him to stay in bed with me all day.” “He was very free with his magnificent body, allowing me to roam at will, exploring each nook and cranny. He was also a great kisser.” Shortly after her first night with Ford, Eva told Walters, “Glenn is the first man I’ve met who could help me get over Ty Power.”

“One night in Palm Springs, I was so turned on by him, I wanted it four times over a twenty-four hour period. We were in this rented villa, lying around the pool nude. The more I saw that magnificent Canadian stud, the more I wanted him.”

by Anonymousreply 205January 21, 2020 9:52 PM

^ What book was that, because it sounds like bull. Debbie was a lez.

by Anonymousreply 206January 21, 2020 9:56 PM

Yes, his girl Friday. Bought a $2 DVD with a bunch of Cary grant movies. Seemed weird to hear Cary grant blurt that out in a romantic comedy.

by Anonymousreply 207January 21, 2020 10:00 PM

R206 These were the links given, looks like various gossip books about the sex lives of Hollywood stars. Glenn Ford’s son also said that he had a long term relationship with Debbie in his book. He talks about it in online interviews. Here’s a pic of a magazine article that was posted that mentions it. He said he has his father’s diaries and intimate phone conversations recorded between them. Glenn recorded everyone who called him.

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by Anonymousreply 208January 21, 2020 10:28 PM

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by Anonymousreply 209January 21, 2020 10:29 PM

R205, I have a problem picturing Eva Gabor that aroused by any man. Zsa Zsa, yes. Eva, no.

Plus, a woman that highly sexed was content to beard for closeted Merv Griffin for as many years as she did?

by Anonymousreply 210January 21, 2020 10:32 PM

R207 Very surprising. I’ve never paid much attention to those kinds of movies, they’re much deeper than I thought.

by Anonymousreply 211January 21, 2020 10:33 PM

As much as I like His Girl Friday you should also look at the original, The Front Page, it is a bit more raw and very funny.

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by Anonymousreply 212January 21, 2020 10:36 PM

Shirley Jones wrote in her book that at a Hollywood party, she briefly retired to an upstairs bedroom for some reason, only to suddenly discover that Glenn Ford had entered the room, undressed and slipped into a bed, expecting Shirley to join him. She claimed she turned down his offer, telling him that husband Jack Cassidy was downstairs.

by Anonymousreply 213January 21, 2020 10:38 PM

R210 This is a gossip thread, so we’ll obviously never know the entire truth. I also found this Vanity Fair article and this book by Eva’s assistant. Glenn’s son says in his interviews that his father had an affair with Eva for 10 years and almost married her.

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by Anonymousreply 214January 21, 2020 10:41 PM

Re: the stuff quoted at R205, Bette never called Ford a shithead. What she said was, when he claimed to have gotten her the part in POCKETFUL OF MIRACLES, "Who is that son of a bitch that he should say he helped me have a comeback! That SHITHEEL wouldn't have helped me out of a sewer!" Shitheel is a much better word.

by Anonymousreply 215January 21, 2020 10:43 PM

R215 LOL True. You know how books and quotes work, everyone has a different version of the story.

by Anonymousreply 216January 21, 2020 10:46 PM

This is from a another Hollywood Quotes book. It uses shithead too.

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by Anonymousreply 217January 21, 2020 10:51 PM

R212 Pre-code too. Now I’m even more curious to watch the original version first.

by Anonymousreply 218January 21, 2020 10:53 PM

Jack Cassidy -- known homosexualist

by Anonymousreply 219January 21, 2020 10:56 PM

Shirley Jones admits in her book that Jack Cassidy had sex with men AND she confirms the legendary Cole Porter story.

But, she also writes that he was into women, as well. Jack's public affair with Yvonne "Batgirl" Craig led to their divorce.

by Anonymousreply 220January 21, 2020 11:21 PM

Sounds like Porter loved humiliating himself. Not in the least bit handsome and then both legs crushed and in constant horrible pain. How did he ever write those magnificent songs? So much sounds effortless. He must have deeply hated himself. Jean Howard a good friend said he committed the longest suicide she ever saw.

by Anonymousreply 221January 21, 2020 11:44 PM

True about Jimmy Stewart. He was a mega-conservative Republican and quite prejudiced.

by Anonymousreply 222January 21, 2020 11:47 PM

R213 and R220 Thanks for the story from Shirley’s book. Sounds like Glenn would try to seduce the leadings ladies who they didn’t come on to him first. I’ve heard the rumor about that Cole Porter/Cassidy story mentioned before, but I never knew the details. Most wives never want to admit they know about their husband’s homosexual affairs in the books that I’ve read, I’m surprised Shirley was so honest about Jack.

by Anonymousreply 223January 22, 2020 12:09 AM

R172 Another strange Glenn was an asshole story that I found from a Vincente Minnelli book. Yvette Mimieux is also mentioned on some gossip sites and in movie magazines as having an affair with Glenn. I don’t get the dwarf joke. Do they mean that Glenn was making jokes about a dwarf giving him and Yvette head under the table or them both being fucked by a dwarf under the table? Sounds like he had an interesting sense of humor!

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by Anonymousreply 224January 22, 2020 12:24 AM

A Hundred or More Hidden Things: The Life and Films of Vincente Minnelli

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by Anonymousreply 225January 22, 2020 12:26 AM

I posted the shirtless pic of Ford solely to prove he once had a nice body; the pic of him looking at a fellow sailor's tattoo just struck me as a rather pre-code scene.

No aspersions cast or intended and my apologies for the misunderstandings.

by Anonymousreply 226January 22, 2020 3:23 AM

P 226 Thank you for clarifying the reason for your posts. It was under the “closeted” reply, so I got confused. Thanks for your comments. Yes, he did have a nice body in his younger days. Here’s another shirtless still from Desperadoes that proves it. No problem. No need to apologize.

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by Anonymousreply 227January 22, 2020 3:34 AM

P 226 Thank you for clarifying the reason for your posts. It was under the “closeted” reply, so I got confused. Thanks for your comments. Yes, he did have a nice body in his younger days. Here’s another shirtless still from Desperadoes that proves it. No problem. No need to apologize.

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by Anonymousreply 228January 22, 2020 3:37 AM

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by Anonymousreply 229January 22, 2020 3:49 AM

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by Anonymousreply 230January 22, 2020 3:50 AM

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by Anonymousreply 231January 22, 2020 4:02 AM

She also waxes episodic about Vaseline, r223. Oh, and she makes sure we know that Jack's sons inherited his massive endowment.

by Anonymousreply 232January 22, 2020 3:20 PM

His son did say in that TCM interview posted above that he did indeed sleep with Bette. The earliest film of Ford's that I saw years ago was SO ENDS OUR NIGHT. THought he was very cute in that, still boyish. Good film and the infamous Anna Sten was in it to, and surprisingly good.

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by Anonymousreply 233January 22, 2020 3:44 PM

R210 According to the books and articles that I’ve been reading, links were provided above, Eva loved sex almost as much as Zsa Zsa. She bearded for Merv in her later years, and that doesn’t mean she didn’t have a life separate from him, she probably also had straight men that she fucked on the side during that period of her life.

by Anonymousreply 234January 22, 2020 6:43 PM

The media has obviously buried the truth about Jimmy Stewart, because every mainstream article that I’ve ever seen describes him as hero. I guess they don’t want to spoil the Christmas It’s a Wonderful Life image.

by Anonymousreply 235January 22, 2020 6:45 PM

R232 I read about that. It made me wonder why Shirley went into such graphic detail, why would she want people to know that she’d been checking out her stepson’s cock? Her fans obviously didn’t want to hear that. I guess she needed something to attract publicity for her book instead of the same stories she’s been telling for years in her previous book and interviews.

by Anonymousreply 236January 22, 2020 6:50 PM

R233 Yes, I noticed that. His son said in another interview that he was vague about certain events, and only hinted at things because he didn’t want to make the book salacious and be all about his father’s womanizing. He said if he really wanted to go there, he could have gone there BIG TIME. I think he also left out the affairs Glenn had with some of the women who were still alive when the book was released and toned down some events, from what I’m hearing in his radio interviews. Glenn probably did sleep with Bette, it just didn’t happen that night, he didn’t say it never happened at all! Yes. Good film. Glenn looked 18. I know. I was surprised, I’d never seen Anna in anything before. I’d only read about the Anna Stench jokes, she might have had a better career if they didn’t try to promote her as replacement for Garbo.

by Anonymousreply 237January 22, 2020 6:59 PM

I only discovered "The Big Heat" recently. It's a very good movie.

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by Anonymousreply 238January 22, 2020 8:02 PM

R238 I heard about it for years, but only watched it for the first time last year thanks to the Criterion Channel. It I think it’s probably Glenn’s best performance. Definitely one of my favorites, and he sizzles with Gloria Grahame in both their pairings, even thought they didn’t have a love scene is this one, the chemistry and promotional photos were hot enough. Check these out.

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by Anonymousreply 239January 23, 2020 4:19 AM

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by Anonymousreply 240January 23, 2020 4:20 AM

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by Anonymousreply 241January 23, 2020 4:22 AM

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by Anonymousreply 242January 23, 2020 4:23 AM

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by Anonymousreply 243January 23, 2020 4:24 AM

R173 Another B&W pic I like

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by Anonymousreply 244January 23, 2020 4:28 AM

R232 She told a slightly different version of some events in her first book, I winder if she embellished a few stories in her second book to sell more copies?

by Anonymousreply 245January 23, 2020 10:44 PM

A Mike Douglass show in the early 70's- Robin Morgan, a feminist writer and former actor, caused Glen Ford to loudly dismiss her arguments for equality. Mike had to act fast to calm Ford done. I still remember it all these years later. How mad Ford was.

by Anonymousreply 246January 23, 2020 11:03 PM

ALLEGEDLY ford had a 1 night stand with marilyn monroe in 1962? find that hard to believe, when and where would they have been in each other's orbit in the last 7 months of marilyn's life? she was basically living a reclusive life except for the big moments reaffirming her as the world's most famous woman with her trip to mexico in february where she was worshipped by the press, the next month, the golden globe awards winning the "world's favorite" award, the next month after that in april starting "something's got to give", the month after that in may singing for kennedy, and then the rest of the summer photo shoots with various photographers and magazines and negotiating to get rehired for something's got to give and films after that..

when did she have the time or inclination to be with FORD? when? where? how?..

FORD was on stage with monroe winning her 1960 golden globe for some like it hot but other then that?...

by Anonymousreply 247January 23, 2020 11:32 PM

Glenn Ford is not pleased at being ambushed for this edition of "This is Your Life". He appears to attempt to flee at one point.

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by Anonymousreply 248January 24, 2020 12:04 AM

"Seemed weird to hear Cary grant blurt that out in a romantic comedy."

I always thought that line was said as a sarcastic joke because everyone knew, even then, that this was the opposite of reality, a commentary on the crooked world of the news business.

by Anonymousreply 249January 24, 2020 12:12 AM

R247 Excerpt from Glenn Ford: A Life by Peter Ford.

“But the affairs and flings were countless, it seemed, when you were a big movie star. My father first met Marilyn Monroe in March 1960, when he presented her with a Golden Globe Award for her performance in Some Like It Hot, and early in 1962 they met again at a party for Abraham Ribicoff, who was then President Kennedy’s Secretary of Health, Education, and Welfare and would soon run for U.S. senator in Connecticut.

My father found Marilyn to be a delightful person, interesting and amusing, he said, but full of insecurities. Late in the evening someone said something to upset her, possibly her psychiatrist, who was there and in strangely close attendance, as Dad remembered. She came up to my father, very distraught. He recalled:

She said, “Glenn, would you give me a ride home?” I said, “Of course, Marilyn.” I could see she was upset. She wanted to go right away, without looking back. I followed her outside and took her to my car, and we drove off. I said, “What’s your address, Marilyn? I don’t know where you live.” She said, “No, Glenn, let’s go to your home.” We went to my place. She was interested in the paintings that were hanging in my home, and I told her about each of them. There was one in particular she liked very much, and I said, “If you like it so much, I want you to have it.” And she was very pleased about that. And then she wanted to drink Champagne. I got out some Champagne, and Marilyn drank the entire bottle in about two seconds. Then she wanted another. We were in the bar, on the plaid sofa. She said, “Just hold me.” And I did. And then she wanted to do more, and we did. . . . She stayed until the morning. And then she forgot to take the painting. I still have it. I never saw her again. A lovable but troubled person. I wish I had gotten a chance to know her better and maybe to help her if there was a way. A few months later she was dead.”

by Anonymousreply 250January 24, 2020 12:40 AM

More gossip about James Stewart, please! Kim Novak said she had an intense affair with him during Vertigo. Anyone know more?

by Anonymousreply 251January 24, 2020 12:46 AM

He got Marlene Dietrich pregnant while filming "Destry Rides Again." Dietrich aborted.

by Anonymousreply 252January 24, 2020 12:59 AM

R246 I read about that Mike Douglas appearance. Found these comments about it. Quite interesting! I wish the video clip was online. It sounds like Ford’s true colors were exposed. His first two wives said he wanted them to give up their careers to be stay at home wives. That was the main reason actress Kathy Hays said that she divorced him in newspaper stories I found online covering their divorce. She said he didn’t discuss it with her until after they got married. His first wife Eleanor Powell agreed to give up her career. His third wife didn’t have a job. His fourth marriage only lasted a year.

3 THOUGHTS ON “MIKE DOUGLAS SHOW # 4” Claudia Scott MAY 28, 2013 AT 5:50 AM Thanks Pieter. Very interesting program. That lady was interesting, and I think Glenn Ford was a very chauvinist man, and like he said, there’s more to his personality then meets the eye. Looks like he could have a steely side at times. He was married four times according to his bio. Shirely, was trying to understand where this woman was coming from. Thank you very much, and keep the videos coming my friend. God bless!!!

Like REPLY Paul MAY 28, 2013 AT 6:56 PM From the moment she came on the interview seemed ‘staged’ – calling her ‘Mrs’ to get a response from her, which was predictable and which seemed almost scripted, her lighting a cigarette within 60 seconds. Certainly the beginning didn’t seem natural to me – perhaps it was the era. Glenn Ford was rude and condecending in his attitude and it is easy to see why it has taken SO MANY years for women to begin to gain equality. Glenn Ford’s attitude towards Robin Morgan is a real sign of the time. I thought she had very valid points, but she was swimming against the tide with this crowd

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by Anonymousreply 253January 24, 2020 1:10 AM

R251 I Hope someone else knows more information about Jimmy and Kim. It’s news to me! I’ve always heard that Stewart was faithful after he got married. I know that he was a big time womanizer in his bachelor days.

by Anonymousreply 254January 24, 2020 1:15 AM

R251 According to this article Peter Bogdanovich was the source for that affair story, I don’t know how he would know. Kim Novak has denied it.

“Peter Bogdanovich had written that Stewart had an affair with Kim Novak while they were making “Bell, Book and Candle” and “Vertigo.” Eliot checked it out with Novak.

“She said she had been in love with Richard Quine, the director of ‘Bell, Book and Candle,”’ Eliot remarked. “She added that Jimmy was married, and there was no way that she would have an affair with a married man.””

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by Anonymousreply 255January 24, 2020 1:49 AM

R248 I think Ford would have bailed if the cameras weren’t there. He looked like he was trying to keep his temper under control in the beginning. I think he was also afraid that Rita would talk too much and inadvertently reveal their affair to everyone. He looked like he was squirming the entire time she was talking.

by Anonymousreply 256January 24, 2020 1:53 AM

[post redacted because independent.co.uk thinks that links to their ridiculous rag are a bad thing. Somebody might want to tell them how the internet works. Or not. We don't really care. They do suck though. Our advice is that you should not click on the link and whatever you do, don't read their truly terrible articles.]

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by Anonymousreply 257January 24, 2020 2:07 AM

R249 That’s what I thought. It’s surprising they would even joke about it in 1940 though. The movie was ahead of its time.

by Anonymousreply 258January 24, 2020 2:15 AM

r257, that article is kind of sad. Those guys seemed really homophobic:

But when he was 25, his very blamelessness was cause for concern. "I had to lay down the law to him," an MGM scout called Bill Grady told Eliot. "I had to tell him, 'Jim, if you don't go and give a manly account of yourself at least a few times, Mayer and the others will think you're gay.'"

by Anonymousreply 259January 24, 2020 3:10 AM

Quentin Tarantino is a Ford fan.

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by Anonymousreply 260January 24, 2020 3:34 AM

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

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by Anonymousreply 261January 24, 2020 3:36 AM

Once Upon a Time in Hollywood

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by Anonymousreply 262January 24, 2020 3:38 AM

Glenn Ford and his chickens . . .

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by Anonymousreply 263January 24, 2020 3:45 AM

R259 It is. Maybe those guys had their own secrets to hide?

by Anonymousreply 264January 24, 2020 4:02 AM

R263 Thanks! Love hearing that story about his neighbors Jimmy Stewart, Lucille Ball and Dinah Shore getting some of the eggs. I’m reading about his other neighbors, they included Cary Grant, Fred Astaire and Jonathon Winters along with Rita. I’ve seen some photos online from the parties at Glenn’s house. Incredible.

by Anonymousreply 265January 24, 2020 4:15 AM

R163 Found some magazine articles on eBay.

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by Anonymousreply 266January 24, 2020 4:17 AM

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by Anonymousreply 267January 24, 2020 4:18 AM

R163 Looks like three different fiancées, but they all look alike.

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by Anonymousreply 268January 24, 2020 4:20 AM

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by Anonymousreply 269January 24, 2020 4:21 AM

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by Anonymousreply 272January 24, 2020 4:23 AM

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by Anonymousreply 273January 24, 2020 4:29 AM

R251 Stock photo of Jimmy Stewart and His Wife Gloria, Beverly Hills, USA

Jimmy Stewart and His Wife Gloria, Beverly Hills, USA Stock Image by Jlr for editorial use, Sep 10, 1977 Editorial use only. Learn More Stock Image ID: 6599032b Editorial credit: Jlr/​AP/​Shutterstock File: 2,012 px x 2,997 px James Stewart, Jimmy Stewart, Gloria Stewart Actor Jimmy Stewart and his wife Gloria arrive at the Beverly Hills home of actor Glenn Ford on to witness Ford's marriage to Cynthia Hayward

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by Anonymousreply 274January 24, 2020 4:33 AM

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by Anonymousreply 275January 24, 2020 4:49 AM

R251 Great 60’s documentary on Kim Novak.

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by Anonymousreply 276January 24, 2020 5:15 AM

R247 Glenn also attended the Golden Globes in 1962. He won Best Actor for Pocketful of Miracles. I don’t know if that event took place before or after his other 1962 encounter with Marilyn, his son said the Abraham Ribicoff fundraiser was in early 62, the Golden Globes ceremony was in March. Here’s an article from the Official Golden Globe Awards site.

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by Anonymousreply 277January 24, 2020 5:30 AM

SO Ford told his son ALL OF THESE DETAILS about marilyn and their 1 night stand? i find that questionable.. never heard or read ever marilyn attending a fundraiser in early 1962 that involved the secretary of health, education and whatever of kennedy's cabinet... and why would marilyn's psychiatrist (greenson?) be at a fundraiser event with her????..

she along with kim novak did attend a party at peter lawford with robert kennedy being the guest of honor later in the summer of 62...

by Anonymousreply 278January 24, 2020 2:12 PM

R278 Ford also wrote about it in his diaries which his son still has. His son used them as the main source for his book. He also has phone recordings, Glenn recorded every phone conversation he ever had for 50 years, and he made audio tapes over the years talking about Marilyn along with the other people in his life that he had known and met over the years. Unless you were with Marilyn, you don’t know everything she ever did and everywhere she went every day of her life. As much as people research, they can’t account for every second of her life. Ford was a Kennedy supporter at the time, so maybe that’s the party he meant and misunderstood who she had a fight with that night. He didn’t mention a name, he said he thought it was her psychiatrist.

by Anonymousreply 279January 24, 2020 2:59 PM

Peter Ford made a documentary, available on Amazon Prime, in conjunction with the book he wrote.

He grew up in a 22 room mansion, with a butler, cook and chauffer. An only child, his mother Eleanor Powell gave up her career to be a devoted mother.

Still, he complains in the book and in the documentary that Glenn was remote, cold and often absent.

Yet, in nearly all the vintage photos and videos included in the book and documentary, Glenn is present.

Peter admits that Glenn helped him secure small roles in many of his films and took him along on numerous film promotional tours.

I don't understand Peter Ford's issues with his father.

by Anonymousreply 280January 24, 2020 3:40 PM

R243 As far as Ford or any of these actors being "chauvinist", there was no other way in the 40's and 50's. Men expected their wives to stay home. There were exceptions, of course, but men were not generally conscientious about equal rights for women.

by Anonymousreply 281January 24, 2020 9:58 PM

The story about Glenn Ford and Marilyn Monroe was featured on an episode of the show Pawn Stars. They talked about it for about 10 minutes. A guy was selling the painting with Ford’s signature and a note he’d written on the back of it talking about their encounter. They brought in a handwriting expert and it was authentic. The episode was titled Pawn No Evil. They mentioned how it was common knowledge in Hollywood that Ford had slept with almost every actress and starlet around at that time. It was also mentioned in a book about the JFK assassination years before Ford’s son ever wrote about it in his own book. It said people in show biz circles had known about it for years.

by Anonymousreply 282January 24, 2020 10:15 PM

Still seems to me he was a bland, sour jerk. Cannot see him as sexy even when he was young. Guess he appealed to women because he was an asshole to them and they were so insecure they didn't expect anything better.

by Anonymousreply 283January 24, 2020 10:35 PM

Story posted about Glenn on Facebook by a former magazine writer. He sounded very charming and very kind on this occasion.

“GOLDEN GLOBES:

I posted this a year ago during Golden Globes time, but thought I would give it another shot for those of you who missed it then. Enjoy!

Rita Hayworth was the recipient of the greatest act of kindness I ever saw during my Hollywood years. It was in 1972 at the Foreign Press Association's Golden Globes awards. This was in the days before Dick Clark bought the television rights. The Globes was then the only big mix of TV and movie notables enjoying free food, free drinks and lots of comraderie. Best party in town. And no TV cameras. Just print press.

The awards themselves were pretty loosely staged, almost an afterthought to the party. At one point in the program, Rita Hayworth was one of the "presenters", posing beautifully alongside the emcee (one of the Foreign Press guys, not a professional). Whatever her bit was, it was soon over. The emcee tried to escort her off the stage. The exit music played. Rita danced. And she danced. Several people tried to get her off the stage. Rita just danced, beautifully, swaying, twirling. It was lovely. They stopped the music. Rita danced on. The Foreign Press guys were at a loss.

Glenn Ford, Rita's long-time friend and her co-star in the famous "GIlda," was at a table with a group of his friends. He jumped up, strode up the stairs to the stage and bowed elegantly to the still-dancing MIss Hayworth. She flashed that wonderful smile and danced into his arms. The orchestra struck up another tune, and Glenn and Rita treated us to several minutes of graceful dancing. Then Glenn, ever so gently, danced the lovely Rita off stage right, into the wings and out of the spotlight. The show could now go on.

Of course, we all thought that Rita had had too much to drink. It was several years later that her diagnosis for Alzheimer's became public. For many years her daughter by Aly Khan, Princress Yasmin, has hosted a huge fundraiser on the East Coast to honor her mother and raise funds to conduct research into the disease. A very admirable thing to do. But I will never forget Glenn Ford's kindness to her mother that night long ago at the Golden Globes.”

by Anonymousreply 284January 24, 2020 11:08 PM

Excerpt from Legends and Lipstick: My Scandalous Stories of Hollywood's Golden Era by Nancy Bacon

“We took a table in the bar and ordered drinks and a few minutes later I glanced up to see Glenn Ford coming toward us, a smile of greeting on his face. He and Jim shook hands, hugged, and pounded one another on the back, and then I was introduced. I was terribly impressed with Mr. Ford. He was darling in person. Sexy, a bit shy, handsome as hell, and so charming I was constantly blushing at his compliments. He and Jim exchanged old memories then he told us he was in Paris for the filming of his latest movie, The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, and Jim asked if he would make arrangements for us to visit the set sometime that week as he’d like to do an article for the fans. ‘Gotta keep making those bucks,’ Jim grinned by way of explanation. He was a little embarrassed that a writer of his talent and brilliance had to write for the fan mags. ‘Man, it’s expensive keeping a child mistress, let me tell you,’ Jim laughed and looked fondly in my direction. ‘This one keeps me broke just buying candy and bubblegum!’ Glenn laughed, then assured Jim that if I became too much of a burden, he could probably handle a couple months’ supply of bubblegum.”

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by Anonymousreply 285January 24, 2020 11:23 PM

R280 Thanks for the info on the Peter Ford documentary. I found it on Amazon Prime. He does sound like a whiner. I would have liked to see more home movies of his parents from the set of their films, he says in a few interviews that he has tons of footage of his dad with his co-stars on the set. Why not show that instead of hearing him bitch and moan about his life as a Hollywood kid? A few articles said that he didn’t see his father for five years after the divorce from his mother. I also found an article and interviews backing up Peter’s claims, friends and co-stars said that he would invite them for Christmas or Thanksgiving dinner and exclude Peter. So I guess Glenn went back to ignoring his son the moment the press left. I think his father didn’t start spending time with him until he was an adult. It doesn’t sound like his father abused him or beat him, he just said that his father was tough on him because he wanted him to learn a trade like he did and work. He complained that he never said he loved him or hugged him, but most men back in the 40’s and 50’s were like that with their children. I think he expected his dad to be like the warm fuzzy image portrayed on TV and in movies, and not many people have a dad like that. Especially not in that era.

by Anonymousreply 286January 24, 2020 11:43 PM

STILL find it interesting that NO monroe biography has ever mentioned marilyn attending such a fundraiser in any part of 1962 her last year of life much less her 1 night stand with glenn ford... SURELY if it was "well known" in hollywood circles, some monroe biographer would have made mention of it, not the 1 night stand with glenn ford per se, but her attending a fundraiser no matter how public or private big or small...

by Anonymousreply 287January 25, 2020 12:06 AM

R281 True. That Mike Douglas interview was from the early 1970’s, but Glenn was in his 60’s by then, he wouldn’t have suddenly changed his attitude and beliefs overnight to please the feminists of that era.

by Anonymousreply 288January 25, 2020 12:12 AM

Why is so little written about Jose Bolanos, the Mexican screenwriter Marilyn was dating the last year of her life and who accompanied her to the 1962 Golden Globe Awards?

After her death, he claimed they were planning to marry and adopt a child, if he's to be believed.

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by Anonymousreply 289January 25, 2020 12:19 AM

Glenn Ford was one of the luckiest 'actors' in the business. Lucky, because he had ZER-O charisma, no range, and sort of came off like some electrician who wandered onto the set. Of course he was a pussy hound...how else to end up appearing w/Rita Hayworth, etc., to boost his career?

by Anonymousreply 290January 25, 2020 12:20 AM

What did you expect him to do R284, sock her in the jaw?

by Anonymousreply 291January 25, 2020 12:25 AM

"Dear Heart" was a great film.

by Anonymousreply 292January 25, 2020 12:30 AM

R287 I haven’t read every Monroe biography out there, there must have been hundreds over the years, so I can’t say what details they choose to include, but I do know the ones that I did read in the past were quite repetitive and repeat most of the same information from previous books. I Googled it and the story did appear in the press, so maybe it will be included in a future book about her. I also saw that it was posted about on a Monroe forum at the time the story came out, so other fans have been aware of it since 2010. I’ve noticed that many biographies on actors leave out a lot of stories that can be found easily online. There are so many stories out there about every actor that have never made it into books. They obviously can’t go back in time and stalk her every move, they only know what they have found reported at the time, maybe it was a small private fundraiser at someone’s home.

by Anonymousreply 293January 25, 2020 12:30 AM

R291 He didn’t have to jump on stage to help her, he could have left her alone like everyone else did and allowed her to keep on dancing on her own, everyone else froze and had no idea how to handle her.

by Anonymousreply 294January 25, 2020 12:32 AM

I think thats a wonderful story R284. What a classy thing to do .

by Anonymousreply 295January 25, 2020 12:56 AM

[quote]He may have had BDF, but I always found him boring as hell as an actor.

I beg to differ.

by Anonymousreply 296January 25, 2020 1:07 AM

R295, Debbie Reynolds did something similar at an event where Donald O'Connor took the stage roaring drunk. To prevent him from embarrassing himself, Debbie joined him onstage, involved him in shtick and then exited with him.

by Anonymousreply 297January 25, 2020 1:10 AM

"Still seems to me he was a bland, sour jerk. Cannot see him as sexy even when he was young. Guess he appealed to women because he was an asshole to them and they were so insecure they didn't expect anything better."

R283 He wasn't exactly sexy the way Mitchum or Kirk Douglas were sexy but he projected a certain warmth on the screen that was very attractive, especially as he got to be 40+. I think women loved his injured puppy eyes that mixed well with physical strength. He seemed like the kind of guy you'd want to marry even though in real life he may have not been such a catch.

by Anonymousreply 298January 25, 2020 1:29 AM

It’s whatever floats someone’s boat. I don’t find Mitchum or Douglas sexy, and I’ve talked to many others who feel the same way.

by Anonymousreply 299January 25, 2020 1:37 AM

It was only a one night stand. Sheesh. Why would MM bios cover it? She must of had thousands.

by Anonymousreply 300January 25, 2020 1:41 AM

"Dear Heart" and "3:10 to Yuma" were his best films. There was another whose title I'm blanking on, where he played a mild-mannered gunfighter who has to square off against Broderick Crawford. His low-key performance was perfect for that movie.

300 posts. I'm surprised that there's been no mention of his film with Marlon Brando.

by Anonymousreply 301January 25, 2020 2:22 AM

I can't read the words "Dear Heart" without thinking of that toxic troll who infests DL.

by Anonymousreply 302January 25, 2020 2:38 AM

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by Anonymousreply 303January 25, 2020 3:00 AM

R301, You need to watch "The Big Heat".

by Anonymousreply 304January 25, 2020 3:01 AM

R299, Any male or female who does not find Robert Mitchum sexy, needs to have their batteries replaced.

by Anonymousreply 305January 25, 2020 3:03 AM

"Glenn Ford was one of the luckiest 'actors' in the business. Lucky, because he had ZER-O charisma, no range, and sort of came off like some electrician who wandered onto the set."

The same could be said about Fred MacMurray.

by Anonymousreply 306January 25, 2020 3:11 AM

R295 I agree. Everyone who commented on the post said the same thing. He didn’t have to get involved. I bet some of the other actors were embarrassed to even be associated with her, they wanted to protect their own asses and reputations and sat there laughing at her because they dismissed her as a drunk. I’m not saying it makes Ford a saint, but he was the only gentleman in the room that night with the class and balls to stand up and take action while everyone else sat there with their thumbs up their asses doing absolutely nothing. He knew how to defuse the situation without hurting Rita’s feelings or making her feel like she’d done something wrong.

by Anonymousreply 307January 25, 2020 8:15 AM

R290 Maybe Ford made a pact with the devil?! 😉It does make you wonder how some actors get so lucky. I feel the same way about many of them. Zero charisma, can’t act their way out of a paper bag, boring as shit. They obviously found the right people in power to back them. I read that Rita always requested that he be the leading man in many of her films, even movies he turned down, which used to hurt Rita very much when he did. I read that he was supposed to star in Born Yesterday, From Here to Eternity and Miss Sadie Thompson with her. Bette Davis had to do battle with the studio to get him into her movie, she gave him his biggest break early in his career and liked to say that she discovered him, it sounds like it was mostly because she wanted his dick, his prowess between the sheets was probably his greatest talent, I guess some people would say he put a spell on their pussies and fucked his way to the top. That’s definitely some kind of talent.

by Anonymousreply 308January 25, 2020 8:31 AM

R298 Interesting analysis of Ford’s appeal to women. Many women liked him when he was younger too, they saw him as an exciting bad boy early in his career, his son said that every time he slapped or manhandled the women in his movies, his fan mail would increase. The women back then said they couldn’t get enough of the rough stuff. When he got older, he was obviously seen as the compassionate hero who would protect them like in his Westerns and Blackboard Jungle, he made them feel safe and secure, even though he had a dark side in reality that the public didn’t know about.

by Anonymousreply 309January 25, 2020 8:41 AM

R301 What do you think of The Big Heat? You wouldn’t consider that film among his best? The Fastest Gun Alive was the title of the movie. I see a lot of praise for that one, many people agree with you. Teahouse of the August Moon was the movie with Brando. I think he liked to forget that one! Even he later realized that it was a mistake for him to play an Asian man, he discussed it in his autobiography. He also said that Ford was deliberately trying to upstage him. Ford and Eddie Albert gave the best performances in that movie. In his autobiography, Burt Reynolds talked about being impressed by Ford when he saw the movie, he said his friends were raving about Brando, but that he thought Ford was the fantastic one. He also said he did a few other kind things, including grabbing a mouse out of the mouth of a python at a party when it was being fed to it for the guests amusement, and calling Burt to encourage him when he was at a low point in his life. He said he was always grateful to him and felt like he saved his life.

by Anonymousreply 310January 25, 2020 8:57 AM

R302 Is Dear Heart their username? How bizarre. I must be lucky and have missed their posts on DL.

by Anonymousreply 311January 25, 2020 9:00 AM

Man. I had no idea Baz Luhrmann was so hot.

I think it's true that fatherhood was viewed differently then. Much depended on their personality as well as their own experience in how they were raised. Some guys are meant to be great fathers and they are a gift (as are great mothers) others just have a disconnect and no real desire to go deeper.

I think Marilyn having a one night stand with a handsome - by all accounts sexy - man is a perfectly logical thing to have happened. I'm sure if all writers were invested in detailing everyone's slam/bang they'd produce a book about every quarter century. And we're a salacious group at DL but not everyone is all that interested in the subject.

by Anonymousreply 312January 25, 2020 10:09 AM

R300 and R312.. i suppose because the last months of marilyn's life have been described in very minute details, everywhere she went and who she hung out with, including parties by so many biographers... the fact that she allegedly attended a fundraiser whether a public or private one sometime in 1962 and to a lesser degree had a one night stand with glenn ford is something (more that she attended a fundraiser then having a 1 night stand) would be something that 1 any 1 biographer i surmise would have included in at least 1 biography of monroe...

was that picture that monroe allegedly took from ford in her home anywhere?

by Anonymousreply 313January 25, 2020 1:13 PM

Thanks for that clip, r303.

by Anonymousreply 314January 25, 2020 2:04 PM

Marilyn I think was gay and suffered from serious mental illness like her mother. Doctor turned her into drugb addict.

by Anonymousreply 315January 25, 2020 4:04 PM

R308, he didn't fuck his way to the top, nor was he discovered by Bette Davis. He was discovered by a male talent agent

by Anonymousreply 316January 25, 2020 5:19 PM

R316 I was being facetious in most of that post. I was speculating on how a talentless actor with no appeal would be able to have so much luck and become so successful. I was replying to the person who said he had zero charisma, no acting talent and that his being a pussyhound was how he got ahead in his career. The post stated that’s how he probably got those big roles starring with Rita which boosted his career. I know that he wasn’t discovered by Bette Davis, but she did write in her autobiography that she felt like she had discovered Ford, she also said that she felt like she deserved credit for it. Some people do give her the credit because it was his biggest break before Gilda, it put his name on the map and made the studios take notice when the biggest female star at the time personally requested him to be her leading man and paid for his screen test out of her own pocket.

by Anonymousreply 317January 25, 2020 6:05 PM

R312 I know, I think most people sleep on Baz, they have no idea how sexy he is. I wonder if he tried to be an actor before becoming a director? He certainly has the looks.

I agree with everything in your post. You made many valid points. It sounds like Ford’s father was the same way with him, and he sounded very ambivalent about having a child in the quote from his diary, and if he did feel jealousy towards his son and blame him for breaking up the marriage, he obviously couldn’t hide his resentment. His son describes his parents having many fights over him, Glenn wanted his wife to come with him many times when he had to travel to make films and be away for months on location, but she’d refuse to leave their son at home, it made him very angry and it sounds like he took it out on his son many times.

Exactly. Peter Ford’s story is credible from reading about all of the celebrities who have confirmed his claims and have verified his other stories in the book, more credible than most other stories I’ve read about Monroe. As someone else pointed out, I’ve never read a book about her that detailed much about her affair with Jose Bolanos, you’d think they’d give a minute by minute account if they know so much about the last year of her life. Many of the stories that some of her fans believe as a fact, are downright ridiculous. I don’t recall ever reading a biography about anyone that listed their one night stands, it would be impossible, many don’t even cover their sex lives in much detail. It’s true, outside of DL, most people don’t care and don’t want to know.

by Anonymousreply 318January 25, 2020 6:32 PM

R313 I’ve seen some highly dubious information in Monroe biographies over the years, stories from third hand sources with absolutely nothing to verify their claims. I would take all of them with a huge grain of salt. Why would you believe everything you read just because it’s in a book about Monroe? So everything that has never been in a book about Monroe, never happened? It’s in a book about Glenn Ford, it doesn’t need to be repeated in a Monroe book, it’s already out there. Peter Ford is far more credible than 90% of the random nobodies who write books about her and make claims about her. It’s impossible for anyone to describe the minute details of anyone’s life unless Marilyn left behind a diary, and nobody writes down everything, nobody will ever know, most of it is conjecture that’s been pieced together. We’ll never know everything she ever did, and I wouldn’t worry about never knowing it, it’s not that important. Maybe Ford got the details of the party wrong, maybe it was a different party, do you think it was so important to him? He clearly was a very promiscuous man who had many flings and one night stands with a countless number of actresses, most of them were probably all the same to him, nothing special, nobody could keep track of every detail, especially if it’s not that important to them. He must have run into Marilyn at dozens of parties and awards shows. I’ve seen pictures that confirm they were at many of the same parties and events over the years. Who knows if he even remembered the right year, and I don’t think many people care. I believe Peter Ford’s story because Glenn never talked about it in interviews to try to get attention like many other actors did, he quietly wrote about it in his diary and briefly mentioned it in private recordings he probably thought would never see the light of day, and that was it. If his son didn’t choose to share it, nobody would have ever known outside his circle of Hollywood friends. That makes the story more credible in my opinion.

by Anonymousreply 319January 25, 2020 6:50 PM

R314 You're welcome. Glad you enjoyed watching it.

by Anonymousreply 320January 25, 2020 6:56 PM

R313 If you listen to Peter Ford’s interviews to promote the book, he doesn’t even mention anything about the Marilyn story in any of them, if he was including a story like that just to sell more copies, he obviously would have mentioned it every chance he got to try and get publicity that would attract the attention of Monroe’s fan and maybe entice a few of them to buy it, but he didn’t do that. Monroe and Ford never made a movie together, so most of her hardcore fans probably wouldn’t think about reading a book about Glenn Ford. Fritz Lang did want her for the role that eventually went to Gloria Grahame in The Big Heat, but Columbia Pictures was too cheap to pay her loan out fee. The story about Bette Davis exposing her breasts to Ford is not in any book about her as far as I know, they only mention her infatuation with him and the rumors about their affair, if a story is already out there in another book, it doesn’t have to be repeated in another actor’s biography, that won’t automatically make it a fact.

by Anonymousreply 321January 25, 2020 7:12 PM

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by Anonymousreply 322January 25, 2020 7:41 PM

R321, Peter had no problem revealing that Glenn impregnated Rita Hayworth and that she had an abortion in Europe.

by Anonymousreply 323January 25, 2020 7:52 PM

R313 This interview with Peter Ford is from a few years before his book was published. It sounds like Glenn didn’t tell him what the specific details were of what party it was and didn’t write down those details, he might not have remembered. It sounds like Peter did his own research and came to the conclusion that it was the Ribicoff party his father was referring to, so it could have been any year and any party, Glenn was obviously not specific about those details.

by Anonymousreply 324January 25, 2020 7:53 PM

R313 Here’s the interview link.

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by Anonymousreply 325January 25, 2020 7:54 PM

R321 Yep. Marilyn Monroe has many more fans than Rita though, I think if he was only including those stories to sell more copies of his book, he would have used the Marilyn story to promote it. He doesn’t include many actual quotes from his father’s diaries in the books, he obviously could have made it much more salacious if he really wanted to. In one interview he said that his father went into explicit details about many of the sexual encounters, including the specific sex acts performed, if he wanted to make it a really graphic tell-all, he could have just published pages directly from his father’s diaries in the book.

by Anonymousreply 326January 25, 2020 8:03 PM

Judy Garland Piano

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by Anonymousreply 327January 25, 2020 8:06 PM

Judy Garland letter to Glenn Ford. Sounds like he dumped her and she was very confused about it.

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by Anonymousreply 328January 25, 2020 8:08 PM

The bullshit speculation on this thread is astounding. But, hey, it's the DL, maker of legends.

by Anonymousreply 329January 25, 2020 8:13 PM

Welcome to the DL! lol Exactly. That’s why it’s called gossip! None of these people were there to witness anything, none of these people met any of these celebrities, yet they claim to know everything about them and what they did every minute of their lives just because they read a few books. I copied and pasted some excerpts from various sources that I’ve found online, but I obviously can’t know anything for sure and don’t pretend to. It’s all bullshit speculation unless it’s been confirmed or verified with proof by the celebrity or someone credible who actually knew them.

by Anonymousreply 330January 25, 2020 8:25 PM

R297 I just read your post. Thanks for sharing that story about Debbie Reynolds and Donald O Connor. Very classy and kind of her. Sounds like she was a wonderful friend to have.

by Anonymousreply 331January 25, 2020 10:19 PM

R323 Peter Ford also sold some of Rita’s letters and postcards to his father.

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by Anonymousreply 332January 25, 2020 10:30 PM

R323 At least he didn’t sell the tapes of his father’s phone conversations with Rita. He said in one interview that some of them are very intimate, like phone sex type stuff.

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by Anonymousreply 333January 25, 2020 10:34 PM

During the 1961 filming of “A Pocket Full of Miracles”, Hope Lange was given a better dressing room than Bette Davis. Hope was dating Glenn Ford at the time. She felt Bette’s antagonism. Frank Capra, the Director, told Hope that Bette Davis was “delicate spirited”. Hope replied, “Bette Davis is as delicate spirited as a Sherman Tank!”

Also, Hope Lange endured Joan Crawford’s anger a few years before in “The Best of Everything.”

by Anonymousreply 334January 25, 2020 11:43 PM

R334 I think I read that Glenn requested that Hope be given Bette’s dressing room because it was next to his, naturally he wanted his girlfriend close to him. Several books and other sources say that he and Bette either had an affair, his son says that he wrote in his diary that she made a pass at him and he rejected her. Every source that I’ve found says that Bette always had a crush on Glenn, it must have made her jealous to see him with a younger woman like Hope. Thanks for sharing that quote from Hope, so funny and so true. I’ve read that Marilyn Monroe demanded that Hope change her hair color during the filming of Bus Stop because she felt it was too similar to hers. What did Joan do to her?

by Anonymousreply 335January 26, 2020 12:29 AM

Found this interesting story about Johnny Carson and Glenn. It sounds like Ford made a few enemies because of some of his affairs.

“Glenn sure had his way with the ladies and especially his leading ladies. He had torrid affairs with almost all of his female co-stars. It was kind of accepted at this time that leading men and their leading ladies would hook up. The only name that popped up that I was not aware of was Connie Stevens. His affair with her started when she was playing Cricket on HAWAIIAN EYE....their age difference doomed it. Peter mentions that Glenn and Judy Garland were a number at one time. Other than Eleanor Powell...Rita Hayworth was probably Glenn's greatest love. Rita lived next door to Glenn for years and she had a special gate in the fence which separated their properties that allowed her to visit Glenn without anyone knowing.

Book is a very realistic and honest portrait of Glenn, in my opinion, not like the damning books written by the daughters of Bette Davis and Joan Crawford. The sad thing is...towards the end Glenn had to be hospitalized several time to detox and each time he seemed to latch onto a nurse who had ulterior motives…pretending to like Glenn and under the pretext of this and taking care of him got him to sign over powers of attorney, etc...thus shutting him away from his family and his Hollywood friends and using Glenn’s money for their benefit. Fortunately before the end Peter and some of Glenn's friends, especially Debbie Reynolds, were able to sway the courts and get back control of Glenn's health and his property. (t was a similar situation with Burt Lancaster years before his end....his young wife supposedly cut off and shut out everybody and totally isolated Burt until the day he died....to protect her interests and not Burt's.)

One thing I remembered that was either over looked in the book or totally ignore… Johnny Carson's attack on Glenn during his opening monologues. After Johnny and his wife Joanne Carson broke up (separated or divorced....not sure) Glenn started dating Joanne and this was during his Cade's County days. I remember Johnny making some really bad jokes about Glenn and often he included Edgar Buchannan in them...sometimes they bordered on being homophobic. I remember hearing them live. Lot of people wondered why Carson was being nasty to Glenn. Glenn and Edgar were friends for many many years....as was Glenn and William Holden even though in their early years both were often up for the same roles.”

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by Anonymousreply 336January 26, 2020 12:32 AM

Looking at pictures and video clips of Glenn Ford, I wonder what all the fuss was about. He was passably attractive, but he wasn't all THAT. By the standards of that era, he must've been thought of as very handsome because he screwed every woman in Hollywood, but by modern standards he's kind of "meh."

by Anonymousreply 337January 26, 2020 1:27 AM

R337 I used to feel the same way about him. I couldn’t understand why anyone thought he was handsome. You don’t always have to be the most handsome guy with a perfect face to be considered sexy or good looking. But he was definitely considered very handsome by everyone back then, every director or writer or actor who talks about him calls him handsome, and obviously all of those beautiful Hollywood women he screwed. Also, many women don’t like pretty boys. They like the rugged type. They tell me that all the time. There are teenage girls nowadays who swoon over Benedict Cumberbatch and Adam Driver, they aren’t considered gorgeous by the standards of any era. I was browsing thought Instagram the other day on some classic Hollywood accounts and reading the comments from young women on the pics of a young Ford, and most of them said they think he’s handsome and some even said that they thought it was a pic of Zac Efron! I’ve seen the same kind of comments on Twitter and Facebook every time TCM shows one of his movies. So, many women of this era see him the same way. Here’s a link to the Instagram post. You can read the comments for yourself if you’re interested.

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by Anonymousreply 338January 26, 2020 1:45 AM

I think because most modern male actors are so beautiful, like Chris Pine and Chris Evans, that Glenn Ford looks rather ordinary in comparison.

by Anonymousreply 339January 26, 2020 3:10 AM

You’re probably right. I also think that his looks have always appealed more to women than to gay men. When I watch movies with women they usually make comments about the more rugged looking guys, they don’t even notice Chris Pine or Chris Evans, zero reaction. Look at most of the men many of those beautiful Hollywood actresses married or dated, many of them were downright ugly, Elizabeth Taylor and Mike Todd, Marilyn and DiMaggio, Marilyn and Arthur Miller. Rita Hayworth’s husbands were all ugly, fat or balding, and it’s still true with many famous women today. A large number of them marry homely or very ordinary looking guys. I think a lot of women also don’t like really pretty men because they think they’re conceited jerks. I’ve been told that by many women about those really good looking guys. They said it’s a major turn off to them.

by Anonymousreply 340January 26, 2020 3:36 AM

How about this little ditty I got from a Bette Davis bio - in a section talking about Elizabeth and Essex, a film she made with Errol Flynn they wrote -

[quote]Flynn wasn't afraid to offend his directors and producers, not to mention Jack Warner himself, with his chronic lateness and unpredictability, nor was he reluctant to pick fights on the set, the most notorious of which was his refusal on the set of Captain Blood to let the makeup department shave Ross Alexander's hairy armpits for Alexander's spread eagled flogging scene because he, Flynn, took too much sexual pleasure in them offscreen, a point Flynn pursued loudly and in the most colorful language until the director, Michael Curtiz, backed down and left Alexander's armpits alone.

Flynn was a fellow that liked a [bold]man![/bold] I had no idea he was so public about it.

by Anonymousreply 341January 26, 2020 6:24 AM

To go with my post a R341 -- Visual aid. His character's name was Jeremy Pitt. Sounds like he had a sad life.

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by Anonymousreply 342January 26, 2020 6:34 AM

R342 Thank you for sharing that excerpt about Flynn, very interesting. I never knew that he was so open in public and so vocal about his love for men either, good for him! So many actors had to live in fear of being exposed. I wonder if Flynn was blackmailing some of the men in power at the studio to keep it out of the papers? They threatened to destroy so many gay mens’ careers by exposing them, so Flynn must have had something on them to use as leverage. Maybe compromising photos of them with him. I hope he helped bring Ross Alexander some moments of pleasure in his short life, what a sad story. It’s a shame his career wasn’t more successful, maybe he would have had some hope and not given up.

by Anonymousreply 343January 26, 2020 6:48 AM

Glenn Ford didn't wear a toupee, maybe you're thinking of someone else (whoever said that). the only film she exec produced at Warner Bros)ette Davis called him a "shitheel." Frank Capra (who directed them in Pocketful Of Miracles) never said anything against Davis but implied Ford was why he quit making movies. He had to work with actors who were producers in the late-50s/early 60s - he said Sinatra (in A Hole In The Head) was great but Ford wasn't.

One thing that pissed Bette off was that Ford gave his girlfriend Hope Lange the star dressing room or trailer, while Bette (the actual female star of the film) was given something lesser. After she had chosen him as her costar and basically brought back his career after WWII in A Stolen Life (which was "A BD Production" - the one film she had a hand in producing at Warner Bros (awas wrong for the part.nd a massive hit).

One thing that pissed Capra off was that he cast Shirley Jones in the film but Ford, who was going out with Hope Lange, replaced her with Lange. Not only going against Capra's wishes, but Lange was miscast.

Shirley Jones, on the other hand, had nothing but great things to say about working with Ford (on The Courtship Of Eddie's Father) in her autobiography.

Ford was a very good actor (don't know why people say he wasn't). Sometimes he overdid the aw-shucks routine in some movies. But he was wonderful in Gilda, The Blackboard Jungle, Trial, The Rounders, and a lot more.

by Anonymousreply 344January 26, 2020 7:05 AM

I'm not sure R343. It sounds like Flynn fell into acting just because he was so fucking gorgeous. He didn't really care about acting but of course reaped the benefits of money and getting a lot of tail (not that he needed the help.) I just don't think he was intimidated by Jack Warner (which must have drove Warner nuts) so he said and did what he wanted and didn't care if he was canned or not. He probably knew he was safe because his movies made Warners a lot of money. They knew it too so they left him alone.

Bette Davis called Ford a shitheel because he was telling people he had helped her out by getting her cast and getting her work. I don't know if she did or not but she certainly resented the implication and Ford for being so public about it.

by Anonymousreply 345January 26, 2020 7:19 AM

There was always casual racism, and certainly sexism, in films from the Golden Age. In the original version of “The Front Page,” when Pat O’Brien announces his engagement, one of his reporter cronies asks casually, “Is she a white girl?”

by Anonymousreply 346January 26, 2020 8:21 AM

Bette and Hope Lange appeared to be getting along here.

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by Anonymousreply 347January 26, 2020 12:46 PM

Gee I totally get Glenn Ford and totally understand why he was a big star.

I also get Leslie Howard.

It helps being 110.

by Anonymousreply 348January 26, 2020 3:46 PM

R348 What about all those young fans on social media who watch his movies, the cinephiles, the actors and the directors who are Ford fans? They’re obviously not 110 and they get why he was a big star. I think if Ford we’re alive today he probably would have been satisfied knowing that he had their respect even if some guys on DL don’t agree 😉

by Anonymousreply 349January 26, 2020 3:54 PM

R344 Telluride Film Festival 1991 interview with Roger Ebert, Glenn Ford and Elmore Leonard.

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by Anonymousreply 350January 26, 2020 4:03 PM

Peter Ford tried to get his father an honorary Oscar, the AFI Life Achievement Award and the SAG Lifetime Achievement Award, but no luck.

One underling he dealt with actually asked "Who's Glenn Ford?".

by Anonymousreply 351January 26, 2020 4:04 PM

They never gave many big stars Oscars and Lifetime Achievement Awards. Where’s Marilyn Monroe’s honorary Oscar, AFI Lifetime Achievement Award and her SAG lifetime achievement award? They can still award it to her posthumously, but nothing. One of the most famous stars ever and they have given her shit.

So some random nameless underling doesn’t know who Glenn Ford is, but Leonardo DiCaprio, Martin Scorsese, Brad Pitt and Quentin Tarantino do, and he had the respect of Sinatra, William Holden, John Wayne and Jimmy Stewart, among some many other of his peers. I think Glenn would be ok with that. 😂

by Anonymousreply 352January 26, 2020 4:13 PM

R344 You’re absolutely right. Glenn never wore a toupee, he had thick hair for most of his life from everything that I’ve read and seen so far. I’ve seen photos of it on his son’s website, it was white, but he still had a full head of hair at 90. I don’t know where anyone got that idea. They must have been mixing him up with another actor. I’ve seen him in movies from the 80’s where he has it closely shaved, and you can see there are no bald spots. Some actors and directors just clash and don’t get along. I remember seeing a documentary about another director who worked on a film that Sinatra produced and he said it was the most miserable experience of his life, Sinatra refused to take any direction from him, he hated the experience so much that he turned down the offer to work with Sinatra again.

I think I prefer Hope Lange over Shirley Jones in that role, I don’t agree with the people who feel like she was miscast, I think she was a better actress than Jones, maybe that’s just personal preference, and she obviously had natural chemistry with Ford. Glenn later said that he never knew they wanted Jones and he sent Capra a telegram after he read his book that said: “What a shame you did not have the guts to say this to my face—what you said in the book.”

Bette’s career was in a slump at that point, but I don’t know if Ford helped her get cast in the role, but he probably didn’t mean it as an insult to Bette, and they remained on friendly terms, I’ve seen photos of them together in the 70’s and 80’s. She told her stepson that working with Ford on A Stolen Life was one of her favorite experiences on a movie with an actor when he asked her many years later.

Yes, I read some of Shirley’s interviews in the past and she always had nothing but praise for Ford as an actor, she said that he helped her more with her performance in The Courtship of Eddie’s Father than the director Vincente Minelli did, she said Minnelli was too busy with the set decoration and never gave much direction. She always mentions the respect she has for him.

I agree about Ford being a good actor, you’re never going to find an actor that everyone is going to like, even the most popular critically acclaimed actors in history are going to have their detractors, there are countless posts on DL saying that Brad Pitt, or any actor you can name, has zero charisma or has no talent. It’s all about personal preference and I find all of the comments equally interesting.

by Anonymousreply 353January 26, 2020 4:36 PM

R345 You’re probably right. Flynn just didn’t give a fuck and obviously felt he had nothing to lose because he didn’t care about acting anyway. But it does make me wonder, if it was because the studio execs were afraid of losing him because he was such a big box office star, why did Rock Hudson almost get exposed by Confidential magazine until they agreed to throw Tab Hunter under the bus instead? Didn’t Rock and Tab’s movies make money at the box office too?

by Anonymousreply 354January 26, 2020 4:46 PM

R347 Hope and Bette are obviously playing nice in front of the cameras there, most stars always fake it when they see reporters, especially back then. I doubt they would have started scratching each other’s eyes out in public. They probably did try to make the best of it, they would have never finished shooting the movie if they were always at each other’s throats. Bette’s also smiling in this behind the scenes set photo that I’ve linked to below, even though it looks like Glenn is ignoring her because he’s so wrapped up in Hope.

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by Anonymousreply 355January 26, 2020 4:55 PM

R346 True. Racism was the norm in movies back then, as it was in society. So many movies didn’t have a person of color in the cast, and many of the movies that I have seen from the 30’s have a white actor painted in blackface when they do have a black character. I’ve noticed this a lot in British movies of the 30’s and 40’s. It was so obvious and ridiculous that I can’t take some of the movies seriously.

by Anonymousreply 356January 26, 2020 5:22 PM

"What about all those young fans on social media who watch his movies, the cinephiles, the actors and the directors who are Ford fans? They’re obviously not 110 and they get why he was a big star."

Young fans? 90% of people under 55 probably don't know who he was

by Anonymousreply 357January 26, 2020 6:22 PM

R357 I posted a link above to the classic Hollywood Instagram posts with hundreds of comments from young fans saying how handsome they think he was, and naming their favorite movies of his. You can find comments like that on Twitter and Facebook too. Here’s the link again, you can take a look for yourself if you want to see it with you’re own eyes, the people who are commenting are under 55. 90% of people under 55 don’t know who Tyrone Power, Clark Gable or most other big stars were from the Golden Age, most only know Marilyn Monroe. A woman said that she bought a photo of Clark Gable in Gone With the Wind from a thrift shop and the woman who sold it to her wrote “Photo of old man” in the description on the receipt, she was in her 30’s and she had no clue who he was 😂

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by Anonymousreply 358January 26, 2020 6:34 PM

"I posted a link above to the classic Hollywood Instagram posts with hundreds of comments from young fans saying how handsome they think he was, and naming their favorite movies of his."

Hundreds of people is a drop in the bucket. There are billions of people on this planet.

by Anonymousreply 359January 26, 2020 6:45 PM

The posts have thousands of likes and some of the YouTube videos of his bio and clips from Gilda have millions of views with comments from all over the world. You basically said that NOBODY under 55 knows who he is. As a I said, I think the biggest stars in the world today knowing who an actor is matters more than the random nobodies who don’t.

by Anonymousreply 360January 26, 2020 6:51 PM

"I remember Johnny making some really bad jokes about Glenn and often he included Edgar Buchannan in them...sometimes they bordered on being homophobic. "

Was Edgar Buchanan gay?

by Anonymousreply 361January 26, 2020 7:29 PM

R361 Not as far as I know. I’ve never read any gay rumors about Edgar either. He was one of Ford’s best friends and had roles in many of his films. He was married to the same woman for 50 years and had a son. I think Carson was just pissed off because Ford was fucking his ex-wife, so he picked the easiest target he could think of. Glenn and Edgar were starring in a show together at the time and Carson wanted it to fail. I read in another show biz book that I can’t recall the name of right now, that Carson would also make jokes about nobody watching the show. Liz Renay, one of his other lovers at the time, said that Ford talked about wanting to sue Carson for slander.

by Anonymousreply 362January 26, 2020 7:47 PM

Carson also used to make disparaging remarks about Wayne Newton in his monologues, questioning his manhood, until Newton confronted him in person and threatened retribution.

by Anonymousreply 363January 26, 2020 7:51 PM

Tons of stories about Carson being a nasty ass but I remember reading about what a horrible, cruel mother he had. That early years stuff can leave a lifetime of misery.

by Anonymousreply 364January 26, 2020 7:58 PM

R363 Yes, thanks for mentioning that. I had forgotten all about the feud Carson started with Wayne Newton. I recall reading about that in magazines and seeing it mentioned on some entertainment news show. I don’t know what his problem was with Newton. Maybe he also fucked one of his exes. Sounds like Carson’s ego couldn’t handle it when his exes moved on, so he’d lash out.

by Anonymousreply 365January 26, 2020 7:58 PM

R364 That’s true, that kind of abuse can create a lifetime of anger and pain, it’s not surprising when someone reacts to it by taking it out on other people. That might have been his only way to cope with it.

by Anonymousreply 366January 26, 2020 8:01 PM

R363 I wonder if Glenn and Wayne ever talked about their mutual hatred of Carson when they used to hang out at parties?

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by Anonymousreply 367January 26, 2020 8:13 PM

I just had to look up Wayne Newton to see if he was still alive. One of those people where you think "is he alive or dead? I'm not sure."

by Anonymousreply 368January 26, 2020 8:16 PM

R368 I wasn’t sure about Robert Goulet being alive either, I had to look him up last year when I was watching one of those SNL skits where Will Ferrell used to imitate him. I don’t remember hearing anything about it when he died. Maybe I did hear it, and just didn’t pay attention or care.

by Anonymousreply 369January 26, 2020 8:21 PM

[quote] Bette Davis called Ford a shitheel because he was telling people he had helped her out by getting her cast and getting her work. I don't know if she did or not but she certainly resented the implication and Ford for being so public about it.

Yes - and she did help him out with A Stolen Life. ("A BD Production" - I think there was profit participation and she had a big say in the casting). She wanted Henry Fonda and John Garfield, ended up with Ford and Dane Clark.

I wrote the post about this that was full of mistakes (I wasn't drunk-posting on Saturday night - I wish)...I was using a portable keyboard. Haha. Oops.

I think it was in Peter Ford's biography of his father that while filming A Stolen Life, out on some location, Bette and Glenn were alone and she put his hand on her breast, and he rejected her, for whatever reason.

I think he probably did treat her worse than she deserved on Pocketful Of Miracles. Actors maybe especially stars are insecure and childlike/childish and some react in that way. Once, he was in second place, and she was the boss. Now she was in second and he was the boss.

Having worked with a lot of actors some can literally be very nice or kind, and at the same time, be shitheels in other ways. And fickle, and just -weird.

Hope Lange vs Shirley Jones: the character is a sort of Texas Guinan take-off. Lange wasn't bad but she never would have been 1st or even 10th choice, if not for Ford. Shirley Jones had recently won an Academy Award and was a musical performer and bigger box office.

Interesting thing about GF is he became an even bigger star in the late 50's - 1960s, when a lot of others of his era were already movie trivia.

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by Anonymousreply 370January 26, 2020 8:24 PM

R368

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by Anonymousreply 371January 26, 2020 8:27 PM

Robert Goulet died of a rare lung infection/disease. A lung transplant could have saved him, but one was not located in time.

by Anonymousreply 372January 26, 2020 8:37 PM

[quote] "Dear Heart" and "3:10 to Yuma" were his best films. There was another whose title I'm blanking on, where he played a mild-mannered gunfighter who has to square off against Broderick Crawford. His low-key performance was perfect for that movie.

The Fastest Gun Alive.

I don't care for Dear Heart. 3:10 To Yuma was one where he played a bad guy so it was different and he was good. (I think it was his idea to switch - he had been cast as the hero).

I think he was great in The Blackboard Jungle, and the lesser-known Trial. Also The White Tower and especially The Big Heat. But also The Courtship Of Eddie's Father, Jubal, The Sheepman (great), Don't Go Near The Water. I love The Rounders (with Henry Fonda) - you have to see it. Sometimes he could overdo it, like in Teahouse Of The August Moon. Sometimes he seemed to be trying to imitate Jimmy Stewart (like in this movie), being very stammering and frustrated/perplexed. But only Stewart could do Stewart.

by Anonymousreply 373January 26, 2020 8:39 PM

R370 Excerpts from Bette & Joan: The Divine Feud:

“When actor Glenn Ford, who had also been involved romantically with Joan Crawford, declined to give the same amatory attention to his producer/costar Bette Davis, the climate on the set of A Stolen Life turned quite chilly.

Finding a leading man for A Stolen Life was also arduous for Bette. For the role of Bill, the handsome lighthouse inspector, the studio insisted she use one of their contract players. She was given her choice of Dennis Morgan or Robert Alda. Morgan, the perennially smiling matinee idol, was too handsome; and the suave, dark- haired Alda (father to Alan), who had just starred as George Gershwin in Rhapsody in Blue, looked too much like "a Jewish gigolo," said Bette. It was director Bernhardt who suggested an actor recently discharged from the Army, Glenn Ford. Some Columbia footage of Ford was run for Bette. "Yes! I like that," she said and asked that he test with her. "There was some resistance from Jack Warner," said Harry Mines (who had previously arranged that hot romance between Glenn Ford and Joan Crawford). "Warner didn't want to hire an outsider. So I had to smuggle him onto the lot in the back of my car. Glenn made the test with Bette and she told Warner that she had to have him. So the studio paid something like seventy thousand dollars to Harry Cohn to borrow him.

Ford was thankful for the chance to work with such a big star as Bette Davis, but not grateful enough to carry their love scenes off-camera. Unlike the seductive and lovely Miss Crawford, the supreme Bette was not successful in establishing a personal relationship with the young actor. He was already romancing another star, M-G-M dancer Eleanor Powell. "Bette was very enthused about Glenn Ford at the start of the picture," said director Bernhardt, 'but once she found out that he was taken by Powell, she became quite cool and businesslike. She never let him know of her feelings, but she made it miserable for everyone else.”

by Anonymousreply 374January 26, 2020 8:40 PM

R370 Here’s a few excerpts from Peter’s book. I already posted the part of the book about Bette coming on to Glenn above and how he claimed that he rejected her.

“In mid-January Glenn’s friend Jerry Asher, a prominent publicist and magazine writer, invited him to join him for lunch at the Warner Bros. studio commissary. They were finishing their meal when a woman approached them. “You’re Glenn Ford, aren’t you?” she asked. The woman was Catherine Turney, a screenwriter. She said, “I wonder if you’d mind stepping over and saying hello to Bette Davis?” Dad recalled the scene:

I said I would be delighted. She took me over to where Bette and her entourage were dining in the exclusive Green Room. I went in and said hello. Bette looked at me thoughtfully for a moment and then shook her head. She said, “No . . .you’re too young.” I didn’t know what to say to that. She said, “I’ve never seen you on-screen. I’ve heard you’re an excellent actor. It may be you’ll look too young to play opposite me.” She took a long drag of her cigarette, still sizing me up. “I’ll tell you what. This weekend come back to the studio and wear a tweed jacket—something rugged, with brown leather elbow patches, you know what I mean? Oh, and a pipe, do you smoke a pipe?” I told her I did. “Okay! Bring your pipe and a tweed coat. We’ll see what happens!” And with that she turned back to her lunch, and I was dismissed. I backed out of the Green Room and asked Jerry Asher what had just happened. He said Bette was looking for an actor to play her husband in A Stolen Life. She didn’t like the studio’s choice, and she was producing this picture herself and was taking charge of the casting, and they needed to make a decision right away. “It looks like Bette wants you for her leading man,” Jerry finished.

It was the one and only time Bette Davis would serve as her own executive producer. She was taking the job seriously and becoming involved in all decisions for A Stolen Life. Warner Bros. preferred to cast the lead from its roster of contract players. Not only was Glenn Ford too young, eight years Bette’s junior, but he was not under contract to the studio and would cost it more. The studio executives did what they could to discourage testing Glenn, including floating the rumor that he had been discharged from the service suffering from shellshock! But they should have known from past experience that Bette Davis was not easily thwarted. She herself arranged for the screen test on a Sunday afternoon, with A Stolen Life’s director, Curtis Bernhardt, personally directing the test.

It was on the next day, Monday, February 5, 1945, that I was born. My mother had gone into labor on Saturday, and Dad had rushed her to Cedars of Lebanon Hospital on Fountain Avenue in East Hollywood, arriving at four o’clock Saturday afternoon. My father stayed in her room throughout the night. He didn’t eat, bathe, or shave, and by Sunday morning he looked like a haggard wreck. It would be a nerve-racking weekend. He left the hospital Sunday morning, swung by his apartment, picked up his clothes, and went directly to the studio for the test. After the test he rushed back to the hospital to be with my mother. If he had tested as the young, confident Glenn Ford, clean-cut as he looked in all of his early films, he never would have gotten the part—or perhaps the films and the success that followed. Years later I would tease him that his big break in becoming a movie star was because of me. Had it not been for me taking my time coming into this world, thereby causing him such anguish, his career might have been different.

To Dad’s relief, he and Bette meshed perfectly. Bette was so pleased with her costar that she threw him a birthday party on May 1 at the Hollywood Canteen, where Glenn and Eleanor were photographed sharing birthday cake with a horde of starstruck servicemen.”

by Anonymousreply 375January 26, 2020 8:52 PM

R372 How sad. Thanks for the info about Robert Goulet’s death. I never knew that he could have been saved. It had to be devastating for his family. I think that knowledge would drive me insane if it happened to someone that I love.

by Anonymousreply 376January 26, 2020 8:55 PM

"Experiment in Terror" is a very good movie, one of Blake Edwards' earlier films. Glenn Ford, Lee Remick, Stefanie Powers and especially Ross Martin were excellent.

by Anonymousreply 377January 26, 2020 9:25 PM

R370 Don’t worry about it. I understood your post and figured it was a typing issue. I have the same problem when I post on my Iphone, the page keeps reloading and fucking it up. Thanks for sharing your perspective on the Pocketful of Miracles stories. I’ve read several different versions of it in various books over the years, including Capra’s, Bette’s and Glenn’s side of the story, I’m sure Ford probably played innocent about many things that went down, and you’re right, I’ve read that about almost every actor, people who say they’re the kindest person they ever worked with, then they’re people who think they’re a piece of shit. It all depends on the day and the mood sometimes.

All of your comments have been very fascinating to read. Thanks again for taking the time to post them in spite of the keyboard issues 😉

by Anonymousreply 378January 26, 2020 9:30 PM

R373 and R377 I agree. I like Dear Heart, but prefer some of the other movies you mentioned over it. Re: Teahouse of the August Moon.I don’t know any information about the original play it was based on, but I think the character was written that way, like a fumbling Jimmy Stewart type, because I don’t recall Ford doing that stammering/perplexed act in his other comedies, he was perfect in The Sheepman, it’s one of the best deadpan comedic performances that I’ve ever seen.

by Anonymousreply 379January 26, 2020 9:47 PM

SKETCH: "General Hospital" with Liz Taylor, Richard Burton, Glen Ford (1980)

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by Anonymousreply 380January 26, 2020 11:18 PM

Wayne Newton Takes a Strip Off Johnny Carson

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by Anonymousreply 381January 26, 2020 11:25 PM

Yes! That's a good one! Also Terror On A Train was pretty good.

by Anonymousreply 382January 26, 2020 11:37 PM

Found this today. Apparently, Cesar Romero and Glenn Ford didn’t get along. I always remember reading that basically everyone in Hollywood liked Cesar, unless someone here has read stories to the contrary or knows anything else about him? Quote from an interview with Robert Taylor’s wife Ursula Thiess who worked with them on the film The Americano in 1954:

“After dating Robert Taylor for some time the couple eloped to Jackson Lake, WY, (near Jackson Hole) on May 24, 1954. “The groundbreaking on our first home coincided with the starting date for RKO’s ‘The Americano’ (‘55), which began shooting in late June on location for two weeks in Riverside, CA. So near yet so far, Bob decided it was time I learned to drive a car. William Castle was the director, Glenn Ford was the star. Ford early on stated he wanted realism and his point of view was demonstrated on his leading ladies, me included. ‘I like to treat my ladies rough,’ he grinned in that boyish way of his. How rough you might ask? Well, he threw me off a saddle, onto the ground. He did it with such velocity that it resulted in a twisted neck, a torn blouse, a mouthful of sand, and a thundering 48 hour headache! This was not a good beginning, but my colleague got his scene and admittedly, it didn’t lack realism. Cesar Romero, who was the second lead, came to visit and comfort me during my two-day recovery, as did other cast members. I tried to make amends for what happened, but Cesar’s reply was quite direct. ‘Don’t kid yourself, Ursula, that son of a bitch knew what he was doing. He’s got a reputation for that!’”

Sounds like Romero knew some other stories about Ford roughing up other women. He would have probably had a few charges filed against him if that were today.

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by Anonymousreply 383January 27, 2020 4:56 PM

[quote] He would have probably had a few charges filed against him if that were today.

I imagine Glenn Ford would've been #metoo'ed into oblivion if he were alive and active today.

by Anonymousreply 384January 27, 2020 5:05 PM

"I imagine Glenn Ford would've been #metoo'ed into oblivion if he were alive and active today."

A good half of those old farts would have, including the non-actors.

by Anonymousreply 385January 27, 2020 5:12 PM

R385 True. Let’s not forget some of the directors who forced the actors to perform dangerous stunts when they weren’t raping them or verbally abusing them. 70% of Hollywood would have probably been in prison if they were working today.

by Anonymousreply 386January 27, 2020 5:48 PM

R386 And the animals that were tortured or killed, and the children who were abused and all in the name of "the picture business".

by Anonymousreply 387January 27, 2020 5:58 PM

The times were so different then, LOTS of men from back then liked to "get rough" with women. It was sick.

I've read several Bette Davis bios and her husband of ten years Gary Merrill was a drunken abuser. It was awful. He would be in jail today.

by Anonymousreply 388January 27, 2020 6:41 PM

R387 I try not to think about it when I watch classic movies, because it makes me sick. Especially Westerns, we know they tortured and slaughtered so many animals. We can now see the trip wires in HD. The child actors were scarred for life from the abuse, so many of them had a tragic end. So much suffering for the sake of money and entertainment, and nobody gave a shit when they heard about the abuse if anyone dared to speak up about it. They’d get punished and blacklisted for being a “snitch”.

by Anonymousreply 389January 27, 2020 6:49 PM

R388 The difference is like night and day. I know. I read that about Gary Merrill. He was a crazy asshole. I’ve read about so many actresses who were abused by their husbands like that. They’d beat the shit out of them. Force them to have sex, force them to get abortions because they didn’t want their image to be affected, they’d control everything they did. It was the norm. Most women just expected it and accepted it.

by Anonymousreply 390January 27, 2020 6:57 PM

Yeah but it was Bette who put Glenn's hand on her boobie. She was the aggressor.

And from what I've read about Bette , she was turned on by her and Gary's knock-down-drag-out fights. At least one book suggested that Bette just liked conflict. And she was no shrinking violet. She hit men or pushed them, etc., on more than one occasion.

by Anonymousreply 391January 27, 2020 7:03 PM

The idea that men were entitled to slapping women around, or worse, and that women appreciated it was pretty common. In Female on the Beach, Jeff Chandler says to Joan, "A woman's no good to a man unless she's a little afraid of him." That was the idea - women were out of control and needed to be tamed by a man who wouldn't stop at words.

by Anonymousreply 392January 27, 2020 7:03 PM

Let's not confuse Joan Crawford movies with real life, dear.

by Anonymousreply 393January 27, 2020 7:05 PM

R391 and R392 That’s true. It was a toxic society. Bette was abusive too, she probably felt like she was entitled to be just as aggressive as many of the men were with her. She had no right to put her hands on Glenn without his permission either. Many of them turned into masochists who got a kick out of inflicting pain on others and themselves. There are still many women and men who think it’s sexy when a guy hits them. I’ve heard many people say they love a man who “takes charge”, they like being dominated with violence, they see it as strength and confidence.

by Anonymousreply 394January 27, 2020 9:27 PM

R393 I think some of the actors really did confuse reality with their movie personas sometimes, just as some fans do.

by Anonymousreply 395January 27, 2020 9:35 PM

R393 Yes, movies reflect what happens in reality and viceversa. That quote from is a perfect representation of the way the world used to think and sometimes still does.

by Anonymousreply 396January 28, 2020 5:29 AM

"Yeah but it was Bette who put Glenn's hand on her boobie. She was the aggressor."

According to Glenn.....

by Anonymousreply 397January 28, 2020 5:35 AM

R397 Good point. That’s Glenn side of the story. By all accounts, something definitely happened between Bette and Glenn, every source says that were either lovers, or that she made a pass at him. Everyone said she wanted him, but that doesn’t mean that he didn’t do something to encourage her, perhaps he also made a few moves on her, then played innocent in his version of events to make himself look better. In her autobiography, Debbie Reynolds said that one day when they were rehearsing Glenn came at her, grabbed her and started kissing her, she managed to push him away, but he chased her around her dressing room until he crashed into her and knocked her down. Perhaps he did the same thing to some of those other actresses he screwed.

I also found another more quotes from Debbie about Glenn’s behavior on the set with women:

“Glenn started making eyes at Eva (Gabor). He had this fabulous wife and son, but he couldn’t resist looking and patting. He was hot to trot. He loved women, loved to look at them, to pat them, touch them. I think Glenn flirted with every woman he ever worked with. He liked to play, and he always wanted to have his cake and eat it, too. I’d say to him, “Why would your wife want to leave you? You’re handsome, a little shy. You’re wonderful, so why would she leave you? Obviously, you did something awful!”

by Anonymousreply 398January 28, 2020 5:55 PM

Bette's 2nd husband died of a concussion he originally got when she pushed him down some stairs. Grow up. I love her but she wasn't a smol bean in need of your protection. Her husbands might have been though.

[quote] Yes, movies reflect what happens in reality and viceversa. That quote from is a perfect representation of the way the world used to think and sometimes still does.

"The world"...my parents were in their 20s when that movie and a lot of others came out and that was not their world view. Do you think attitudes in movies today reflect real life?? Jesus.

by Anonymousreply 399January 28, 2020 7:08 PM

R399 I’ve read about that. There are so many conflicting stories about her second husband’s death, I’ve seen some people even call her a murderer, I don’t know which version of the events leading up to his death to believe.

by Anonymousreply 400January 28, 2020 7:51 PM

Shirley Jones quotes on working with Glenn part 1

“Oh, gosh, I was a real fan. I just thought he was one of the best actors and especially one of the best western stars. . . . And he was so nice, he came on the set and said, “I’m really so thrilled to be working with you.” He was not what I expected. He was much more laid back, relatively shy, almost antisocial. But he was such a pro, and in fact if I had any direction at all on that film, it came from Glenn. I had been so spoiled, working with Fred Zinnemann on my first picture [Oklahoma!], because afterwards when I worked with directors like John Ford and then Vincente Minnelli I never got that kind of direction about character. Not that they weren’t geniuses in their own right. But Vincente liked to draw pretty pictures with the camera, and it was always for me to move to a certain point, put my hand here when I say this line, but never any direction about character, and I missed that. And so Glenn would work with me on that, and we would discuss the scenes and rehearse them on our own. I don’t think Vincente even knew about it, he was too busy set decorating.

Working with Glenn as an actor was wonderful. But you never really got to know who Glenn was inside, you just never did. I saw the outside man. He didn’t share any of his private, private thoughts with you. He always had stories to tell, but rarely anything he wanted to reveal about himself. You never got to know the inside of the human being. It was all something that had happened in a movie or to Bill Holden or somebody else. And a lot about the ladies he knew. He loved to brag about the ladies and thought of himself as a ladies’ man, always. Glenn was half-Welsh and had a prolific romantic track record, which encompassed, among others, Joan Crawford, Debbie Reynolds, and Rita Hayworth, with whom he starred in Gilda. While I wasn’t remotely tempted to have an affair with Glenn, from the first, he made it clear that he was eminently available to me. Although I didn’t know it at the time, his attraction to me stemmed from a prediction by his psychic, the legendary Peter Hurkos, on whom Glenn was so dependent that he actually kept a spare bedroom in his house ready and waiting for Peter to stay in. During one of his psychic readings for Glenn, Peter had prophesied that Glenn and I were destined to be husband and wife. I did not concur. I made my lack of interest in Glenn obvious to him, but he still wasn’t giving up. After all, he had the occult on his side.”

by Anonymousreply 401January 28, 2020 7:55 PM

The husband was a drunk and fell down some stairs in their house and a few days later died from a clot.

by Anonymousreply 402January 28, 2020 7:56 PM

Bette's third husband, B.D.'s father, was hot as fuck. When Bette first met him, he was just wearing swim trunks and she liked what she saw.

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by Anonymousreply 403January 28, 2020 7:56 PM

He was also an abusive drunk.

by Anonymousreply 404January 28, 2020 7:57 PM

R403 Sherry’s son is the one who said Bette told him that she had a crush on Glenn. Sometimes I think Sherry was hot as fuck in some photos, then I see other pics from certain angles like this one below, and he looks very ordinary and even homely. I think he was much hotter before he got involved with Bette.

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by Anonymousreply 405January 28, 2020 8:02 PM

Another pic where Sherry looks homely, maybe being around Bette was sucking the sexy out of him!

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by Anonymousreply 406January 28, 2020 8:05 PM

R403

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by Anonymousreply 407January 28, 2020 8:06 PM

R404 Sherry or Bette’s second husband?

by Anonymousreply 408January 28, 2020 8:14 PM

After B. D. wrote "My Mother's Keeper", William Sherry contacted her and they reconnected after many years of estrangement, which B. D. blamed on Bette.

by Anonymousreply 409January 28, 2020 8:35 PM

I don't find William Sherry homely in any of the photos above, and definitely not in this one.

A former boxer, he kept in great shape.

I'll bet the sex with Bette was incredible.

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by Anonymousreply 410January 28, 2020 8:40 PM

R410 I think it’s the receding hairline that puts me off, balding guys are never attractive to me, he’s wearing a hat in the pic you posted, and he definitely always looked hottest with his clothes off!

by Anonymousreply 411January 28, 2020 8:45 PM

R409 Sherry seemed like a nice guy from everything that I’ve read and heard. Very down to earth. Doesn’t B.D. blame Bette for everything?

by Anonymousreply 412January 28, 2020 8:50 PM

Sherry was married to his next wife for more than 50 years, so he was obviously capable of sustaining a relationship.

by Anonymousreply 413January 28, 2020 9:06 PM

R399 thinks Bette wasn't fragile but her husbands were. LOL. The stuff about her killing her husband is an urban legend

by Anonymousreply 414January 28, 2020 9:09 PM

R414 Bette’s husbands were obviously much bigger than her physically. Even if they didn’t want to beat up a woman, I can’t imagine they wouldn’t defend themselves if she was pushing them down stairs and trying to kill them! LOL I think you’re right. I really don’t believe that she killed him. She sounded genuinely devastated over his death.

by Anonymousreply 415January 28, 2020 9:30 PM

John Sherry

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by Anonymousreply 416January 28, 2020 9:32 PM

John Sherry 2

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by Anonymousreply 417January 28, 2020 9:34 PM

R403

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by Anonymousreply 418January 28, 2020 9:37 PM

R403 John Sherry has a Facebook page where he shares lots of family pics of his dad and Bette.

by Anonymousreply 419January 28, 2020 9:39 PM

I've seen some of John Sherry's pics. His dad left Bette to be with BD's nanny

by Anonymousreply 420January 28, 2020 10:16 PM

R420 Yes. It looks like his dad wore a toupee in later years from seeing John’s pics. The nanny was much younger than Bette and very beautiful. What was Bette thinking when she hired her?! They remained married until his death.

by Anonymousreply 421January 28, 2020 10:23 PM

"I'll bet the sex with Bette was incredible."

If you could get past the stench of cigarettes. God, every time I see that woman I see a full ashtray.

by Anonymousreply 422January 28, 2020 10:26 PM

R422

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by Anonymousreply 423January 28, 2020 10:45 PM

To be fair to Bette, everyone who was alive back then says that everybody and everything reeked of cigarettes.

by Anonymousreply 424January 28, 2020 11:17 PM

Maybe she took a shower and brushed her teeth before she had sex you dickhead.

by Anonymousreply 425January 29, 2020 12:00 AM

And anyhow her husbands probably smoked too. And so did Katharine Hepburn for a long time, and Audrey Hepburn, and so did most people in Hollywood. And most people not in Hollywood. My mother and father smoked in those days too and they managed to get near enough to each other to have children.

by Anonymousreply 426January 29, 2020 12:05 AM

I think Sherry was hot, look at the size of that big hammy man's hand at R403. Bette was appreciative of a guy that was well put together. She was with with one guy that was military (Army or Marines) and he was reportedly very handsome and muscular.

by Anonymousreply 427January 29, 2020 3:51 AM

R427, Bette was so smitten with that military guy, she shacked up with him on the military base where he was assigned.

She told Johnny Carson that she was by no means a frustrated older woman, having satisfied her sexual urges when younger.

by Anonymousreply 428January 29, 2020 4:36 AM

R351, that's because Glenn Ford didn't in any way deserve an Honorary Oscar or LIfetime Achievement Award.

And how did this thread get sidetracked into a tribute to a third-rate actor?

by Anonymousreply 429January 29, 2020 5:50 AM

Why would anyone give any credibility at all to leech B.D. Hyman? Her bizarre church videos on Youtube reek of dementia.

God only knows what was going on with Bette and Sherry in this shot...

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by Anonymousreply 430January 29, 2020 7:38 AM

Right, R426. I don’t remember the era in question, but remember the ‘70s, when smoking was still very common. The air gay bars was blue with smoke. The air in any bar or party was blue with smoke. People smoked in hotel rooms and restaurants and the break rooms in offices and in the offices themselves. You just didn’t notice it. It was part of the background of everyday life.

by Anonymousreply 431January 29, 2020 8:17 AM

R429 I can understand why you feel that way, but many other actors who deserve a lifetime achievement award haven’t received one either. Ford starred in 5 movies that have been selected for the National Film Registry by the Library of Congress to be preserved for being culturally and historically significant, so that’s why some people do think that he deserved it. Most “third rate” actors can’t make that claim. I think one of the reasons is because Ford didn’t suck any cocks when he was fucking his way to the top 😉

by Anonymousreply 432January 29, 2020 10:20 AM

Rita Hayworth’s family also tried to get her a lifetime achievement award, but they didn’t have any luck either.

by Anonymousreply 433January 29, 2020 10:25 AM

R428 Too bad there aren’t any pics of Bette’s military man, I would be curious to see him.

by Anonymousreply 434January 29, 2020 10:27 AM

R430 I saw that pic of Bette and Sherry and wondered the same thing. Quite bizarre.

by Anonymousreply 435January 29, 2020 10:28 AM

R430, All of the tables behind them are empty.

by Anonymousreply 436January 29, 2020 11:10 AM

Bette was so desperate to divorce William Sherry, she agreed to pay him alimony.

by Anonymousreply 437January 29, 2020 11:13 AM

R436 There are so many strange things going on in that pic. Another question I have is why does Sherry look like he’s impersonating Groucho Marx?

by Anonymousreply 438January 29, 2020 11:18 AM

R437 I thought Sherry left her for the nanny? Or did she dump him when she found out about their affair?

by Anonymousreply 439January 29, 2020 11:19 AM

Bette talks husbands to Mike Wallace . . .

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by Anonymousreply 440January 29, 2020 11:21 AM

R440 Thanks for the video. Interesting. She only mentions Sherry beating her. I wonder if they all did or if he was just the most abusive?

by Anonymousreply 441January 29, 2020 11:35 AM

Sounds like my mother R441. Her first husband (my father) used to knock her around a lot. Her second husband only went after her about once or twice a year. I guess she felt that was a more reasonable number, she stayed married to him. Both men were alcoholics - naturally.

I used to think... where in the hell does she go to meet men?

by Anonymousreply 442January 29, 2020 1:00 PM

I think my father used to beat my mom, but she rarely talks about it. She does admit that he threw a pineapple at her which hit her in the eye and caused a blood clot when she was pregnant with me, she has been almost totally blind in her left eye since then. He was an alcoholic, too. I think men who didn’t beat their wives were the exception back then.

Seriously. Many of them probably did meet these men in bars, but almost everyone drank at that time, too. Creeps are everywhere though. I’ve heard so many horror stories about women who met men in church, they obviously thought they’d be safe.

by Anonymousreply 443January 29, 2020 1:20 PM

R60 I found a PDF online of Mel Tormé’s book on Judy Garland, the book you mentioned earlier in this thread. Have other people disputed some of his claims? Is he implying that Glenn beat Judy? I’ll post some of the most significant parts mentioning Glenn here. It sounds like he was definitely trying to insinuate that he had abused her.

by Anonymousreply 444January 29, 2020 5:50 PM

Excerpts from The Other Side of the Rainbow by Mel Tormé:

“𝘉𝘶𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘳, 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦’𝘴 𝘢 𝘭𝘰𝘵 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘮𝘦 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘥𝘰𝘯’𝘵 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸.” “𝘓𝘪𝘬𝘦 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘪𝘯𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘦?” “𝘓𝘪𝘬𝘦 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘪𝘯𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘦, 𝘐’𝘮 𝘪𝘯 𝘭𝘰𝘷𝘦.” 𝘈𝘩 𝘩𝘢𝘩! 𝘐 𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩𝘵, 𝘐 𝘥𝘦𝘵𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘢 𝘳𝘰𝘴𝘺 𝘨𝘭𝘰𝘸. “𝘞𝘩𝘰 𝘪𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘶𝘤𝘬𝘺 𝘮𝘢𝘯?” “𝘈𝘯 𝘰𝘭𝘥 𝘣𝘦𝘢𝘶 𝘰𝘧 𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘦. 𝘎𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘯 𝘍𝘰𝘳𝘥. 𝘐 𝘥𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘩𝘪𝘮 𝘢 𝘭𝘰𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘦 𝘢𝘨𝘰, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘸𝘦 𝘧𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘥 𝘦𝘢𝘤𝘩 𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘢𝘨𝘢𝘪𝘯, 𝘪𝘴𝘯’𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘨𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵?” “𝘜𝘩, 𝘺𝘦𝘢𝘩, 𝘐 𝘨𝘶𝘦𝘴𝘴 𝘴𝘰, 𝘪𝘧 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘴.” She 𝘮𝘢𝘥𝘦 𝘢 𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘰𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘧𝘧𝘪𝘳𝘮𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘷𝘦 𝘮𝘰𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘥. “𝘐 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘴! 𝘏𝘦’𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘢𝘶𝘵𝘪𝘧𝘶𝘭. 𝘈 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘭𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘭𝘺 𝘮𝘢𝘯. 𝘋𝘰 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘩𝘪𝘮?” “𝘕𝘰, 𝘐’𝘷𝘦 𝘯𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘮𝘦𝘵 𝘩𝘪𝘮.” “𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭. 𝘠𝘰𝘶’𝘳𝘦 𝘨𝘰𝘯𝘯𝘢 𝘭𝘰𝘷𝘦 𝘩𝘪𝘮.” “𝘊𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘯’𝘵 𝘐 𝘫𝘶𝘴𝘵 𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘦 𝘩𝘪𝘮?” 𝘚𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘬𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘵 𝘮𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘰𝘬 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘥 𝘣𝘢𝘤𝘬 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘩. “𝘈𝘳𝘦𝘯’𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴?” “𝘕𝘰𝘵 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘎𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘯 𝘍𝘰𝘳𝘥.” “𝘐’𝘷𝘦 𝘯𝘦𝘦𝘥𝘦𝘥 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘦 𝘩𝘪𝘮 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘢 𝘭𝘰𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘦, 𝘔𝘦𝘭. 𝘚𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘰𝘯𝘨. 𝘌𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘸𝘰𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘯𝘦𝘦𝘥𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵, 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘯 𝘪𝘧 𝘴𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘰𝘯’𝘵 𝘢𝘥𝘮𝘪𝘵 𝘪𝘵.”

by Anonymousreply 445January 29, 2020 5:53 PM

Excerpts from The Other Side of the Rajnbow by Mel Tormé:

Mel meets Glenn a few days later after a taping of The Judy Garland Show.

𝘑𝘶𝘥𝘺 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘩𝘪𝘨𝘩 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘮𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘰𝘯𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘯𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵. 𝘐𝘯 𝘢𝘥𝘥𝘪𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘰 𝘢 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘦 𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘢 𝘴𝘶𝘤𝘤𝘦𝘴𝘴𝘧𝘶𝘭 𝘵𝘢𝘱𝘪𝘯𝘨, 𝘎𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘯 𝘍𝘰𝘳𝘥 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘰𝘯 𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘥. 𝘐 𝘮𝘦𝘵 𝘩𝘪𝘮 𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘦𝘳. 𝘏𝘦 𝘴𝘢𝘵 𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘤𝘩, 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘦 𝘢𝘯 𝘰𝘣𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘵𝘭𝘦 𝘣𝘰𝘺 𝘢𝘴 𝘑𝘶𝘥𝘺 𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘢𝘥𝘦𝘥 𝘣𝘢𝘤𝘬 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘵𝘩, 𝘢𝘤𝘤𝘦𝘱𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘨𝘳𝘢𝘵𝘶𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘴 𝘧𝘳𝘰𝘮 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘺𝘳𝘪𝘢𝘥 𝘰𝘧 𝘸𝘦𝘭𝘭- 𝘸𝘪𝘴𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘤𝘳𝘢𝘮𝘮𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘺 𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘭𝘰𝘴𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘴𝘩𝘢𝘬𝘦 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘰𝘳 𝘬𝘪𝘴𝘴 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘤𝘩𝘦𝘦𝘬. 𝘈𝘴 𝘎𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘯 𝘦𝘯𝘨𝘢𝘨𝘦𝘥 𝘮𝘦 𝘪𝘯 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯, 𝘐 𝘨𝘰𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘪𝘮𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘢 𝘮𝘢𝘯 𝘥𝘦𝘥𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘦𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘯𝘢𝘭 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘵𝘩. 𝘏𝘪𝘴 𝘢𝘱𝘱𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘢𝘭𝘸𝘢𝘺𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘣𝘰𝘺𝘪𝘴𝘩 𝘪𝘯 𝘧𝘪𝘭𝘮𝘴. 𝘕𝘰𝘸 𝘐 𝘥𝘪𝘴𝘤𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘥 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘰𝘯𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘺 𝘮𝘢𝘵𝘤𝘩𝘦𝘥 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘬𝘴. 𝘈𝘴 𝘸𝘦 𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘬𝘦𝘥 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘧𝘢𝘤𝘦 𝘭𝘪𝘵 𝘶𝘱 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘩𝘶𝘴𝘪𝘢𝘴𝘮 𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘰𝘧 𝘑𝘶𝘥𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘸. 𝘐 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥𝘯'𝘵 𝘩𝘦𝘭𝘱 𝘳𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘮𝘣𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘦𝘹𝘤𝘦𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘦 𝘪𝘯 𝘛𝘦𝘢𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘈𝘶𝘨𝘶𝘴𝘵 𝘔𝘰𝘰𝘯. 𝘏𝘦 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘺𝘦𝘥 𝘢 𝘳𝘰𝘭𝘦 𝘪𝘯 𝘸𝘩𝘪𝘤𝘩 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘢𝘸 𝘰𝘳 𝘦𝘹𝘱𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦𝘥 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘶𝘯𝘣𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘢𝘣𝘭𝘦, 𝘴𝘶𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘮𝘦 𝘥𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘵𝘰 𝘩𝘪𝘮. 𝘛𝘩𝘢𝘵'𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘢𝘺 𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘢𝘤𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰𝘯𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵, 𝘐𝘪𝘬𝘦 𝘢 𝘤𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘨𝘦 𝘣𝘰𝘺 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘦𝘯𝘫𝘰𝘺𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢 𝘳𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘱𝘳𝘪𝘷𝘪𝘭𝘦𝘨𝘦, 𝘢𝘯 𝘦𝘯𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘵𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵. 𝘏𝘦 𝘴𝘱𝘰𝘬𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘑𝘶𝘥𝘺 𝘳𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺, 𝘨𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘯𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘭𝘺, 𝘱𝘶𝘯𝘤𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘮𝘺 𝘢𝘳𝘮 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘢𝘧𝘧𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯. 𝘑𝘶𝘥𝘺’𝘴 𝘮𝘰𝘰𝘥 𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘣𝘳𝘶𝘱𝘵𝘭𝘺 𝘧𝘳𝘰𝘮 𝘦𝘹𝘶𝘣𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘦𝘮𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯. "𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘻𝘦 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘮𝘦𝘢𝘯𝘴, 𝘔𝘦𝘭? 𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘸'𝘴 𝘨𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘦 𝘪𝘵. 𝘐𝘵'𝘴 𝘨𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘣𝘦 𝘢 𝘩𝘪𝘵." 𝘛𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘴 𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘦𝘥 𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘳𝘯𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘰𝘧 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘦𝘺𝘦𝘴. "𝘐'𝘷𝘦 𝘨𝘰𝘵 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘨 𝘰𝘯𝘵𝘰 𝘯𝘰𝘸. 𝘐'𝘭𝘭 𝘯𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘣𝘦 𝘢𝘭𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘢𝘨𝘢𝘪𝘯. 𝘐'𝘷𝘦 𝘨𝘰𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘸, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘎𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘯 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘬𝘪𝘥𝘴, 𝘢𝘯𝘥"—𝘴𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘢𝘶𝘨𝘩𝘦𝘥 𝘴𝘶𝘥𝘥𝘦𝘯𝘭𝘺—"𝘐 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘬 𝘐'𝘮 𝘨𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘣𝘦 𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘳𝘪𝘣𝘭𝘺 𝘳𝘪𝘤𝘩!" 𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘤𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘦𝘳, 𝘐 𝘩𝘶𝘨𝘨𝘦𝘥 𝘑𝘶𝘥𝘺, 𝘢𝘥𝘥𝘦𝘥 𝘮𝘺 𝘰𝘸𝘯 𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘨𝘳𝘢𝘵𝘶𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘴 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘰𝘯𝘨 𝘭𝘪𝘴𝘵 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘴𝘢𝘪𝘥 𝘨𝘰𝘰𝘥 𝘯𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵. 𝘎𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘯 𝘨𝘰𝘵 𝘶𝘱, 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘰𝘬 𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘴 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘮𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘴𝘢𝘪𝘥, "𝘠𝘰𝘶 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸, 𝘐 𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘦 𝘺𝘰𝘶." “𝘛𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘬 𝘺𝘰𝘶, 𝘎𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘯. 𝘐 𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘦 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘵𝘰𝘰.” 𝘎𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘯 𝘤𝘭𝘢𝘱𝘱𝘦𝘥 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘴 𝘵𝘰𝘨𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳, 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘦𝘺𝘦𝘴 𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘶𝘱. 𝘐 𝘩𝘢𝘭𝘧-𝘦𝘹𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘴𝘦𝘦 𝘢 𝘣𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘯 𝘦𝘮𝘦𝘳𝘨𝘦 𝘧𝘳𝘰𝘮 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘰𝘱 𝘰𝘧 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘥, 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘢 𝘨𝘭𝘰𝘸𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘭𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘣𝘶𝘭𝘣 𝘪𝘯𝘴𝘪𝘥𝘦. "𝘏𝘦𝘺!" 𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘥 𝘦𝘹𝘤𝘪𝘵𝘦𝘥𝘭𝘺, "𝘓𝘦𝘵'𝘴 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘨𝘦𝘵 𝘵𝘰𝘨𝘦𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦 𝘯𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘨𝘰 𝘰𝘶𝘵!" 𝘑𝘶𝘥𝘺 𝘭𝘢𝘶𝘨𝘩𝘦𝘥. “𝘞𝘦 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘥𝘢𝘳𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨. 𝘞𝘦 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘭. 𝘎𝘰𝘰𝘥𝘯𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵, 𝘔𝘦𝘭.” 𝘈𝘴 𝘐 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘩𝘰𝘮𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘯𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘐 𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩𝘵; 𝘞𝘦𝘭𝘭, 𝘴𝘰𝘱𝘩𝘰𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘪𝘤 𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩 𝘩𝘦 𝘢𝘱𝘱𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘴 𝘵𝘰 𝘣𝘦, 𝘩𝘦’𝘴 𝘰𝘣𝘷𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴𝘭𝘺 𝘨𝘰𝘰𝘥 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘎𝘢𝘳𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘥. 𝘚𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘩𝘢𝘱𝘱𝘪𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘰𝘯𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘯 𝘐’𝘷𝘦 𝘴𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘯 𝘢 𝘭𝘰𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘩𝘪𝘭𝘦.

by Anonymousreply 446January 29, 2020 5:55 PM

A few months later Judy calls Mel at 4am in the morning, she begs him to pick her up and take her to his house because she says she’s in trouble. When he gets there he says she’s drunk and not making any sense.

𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘸𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘳𝘪𝘷𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘵 𝘮𝘺 𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘴𝘦, 𝘐 𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘷𝘢𝘪𝘭𝘦𝘥 𝘶𝘱𝘰𝘯 𝘚𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘞𝘩𝘪𝘵𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘢𝘬𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘑𝘶𝘥𝘺, 𝘸𝘩𝘰 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘧𝘢𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘧𝘢𝘴𝘵. 𝘔𝘺 𝘸𝘪𝘧𝘦 𝘵𝘰𝘰𝘬 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘰 𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘣𝘦𝘥𝘳𝘰𝘰𝘮, 𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘳𝘦𝘴𝘴𝘦𝘥 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘱𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘢𝘳𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘩𝘦𝘭𝘱 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘣𝘢𝘵𝘩𝘦, 𝘸𝘩𝘪𝘭𝘦 𝘐 𝘳𝘦𝘱𝘢𝘪𝘳𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘨𝘶𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘣𝘦𝘥𝘳𝘰𝘰𝘮 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘳𝘺 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘴𝘭𝘦𝘦𝘱 𝘢 𝘧𝘦𝘸 𝘮𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘳𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘪𝘤𝘦. 𝘐 𝘴𝘦𝘵𝘵𝘭𝘦𝘥 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘨𝘶𝘦𝘴𝘵 𝘣𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘫𝘶𝘴𝘵 𝘥𝘰𝘻𝘦𝘥 𝘰𝘧𝘧 𝘸𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘚𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘞𝘩𝘪𝘵𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘮𝘦 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘳𝘰𝘰𝘮 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘦𝘹𝘤𝘭𝘢𝘪𝘮𝘦𝘥, "𝘎𝘰𝘥, 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘵𝘰 𝘴𝘦𝘦 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘣𝘢𝘤𝘬! 𝘐𝘵'𝘴 𝘤𝘰𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘥 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘮𝘢𝘳𝘬𝘴—𝘐 𝘨𝘶𝘦𝘴𝘴 𝘺𝘰𝘶'𝘥 𝘤𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘮 𝘸𝘦𝘭𝘵𝘴, 𝘢𝘴 𝘪𝘧 𝘴𝘰𝘮𝘦𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘣𝘦𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘩𝘦𝘳!" 𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘯𝘰 𝘴𝘦𝘯𝘴𝘦 𝘵𝘳𝘺𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘧𝘪𝘨𝘶𝘳𝘦 𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘩𝘰𝘸 𝘰𝘳 𝘸𝘩𝘺 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘢𝘳𝘬𝘴 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘨𝘰𝘵𝘵𝘦𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘐 𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯𝘦𝘥 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘵𝘰 𝘢𝘴𝘬 𝘑𝘶𝘥𝘺 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘮.

by Anonymousreply 447January 29, 2020 5:57 PM

𝘈𝘵 𝘵𝘦𝘯 𝘢𝘧𝘵𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘦𝘯, 𝘮𝘺 𝘱𝘩𝘰𝘯𝘦 𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘨. 𝘐𝘵 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘚𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘞𝘩𝘪𝘵𝘦. “𝘚𝘩𝘦’𝘴 𝘶𝘱!” 𝘖𝘩, 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘦. 𝘚𝘩𝘦’𝘴 𝘺𝘦𝘭𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘥 𝘰𝘧𝘧 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘎𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘯 𝘍𝘰𝘳𝘥. 𝘞𝘩𝘢𝘵’𝘭𝘭 𝘐 𝘥𝘰?” 𝘐 𝘥𝘰𝘯’𝘵 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸, 𝘐’𝘭𝘭 𝘴𝘦𝘦 𝘪𝘧 𝘐 𝘤𝘢𝘯 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘥 𝘩𝘪𝘮. 𝘑𝘦𝘴𝘶𝘴, 𝘥𝘪𝘥𝘯’𝘵 𝘴𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘭𝘦𝘦𝘱 𝘢𝘵 𝘢𝘭𝘭? 𝘐 𝘸𝘢𝘭𝘬𝘦𝘥 𝘪𝘯𝘵𝘰 𝘊𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘳𝘢𝘯’𝘴 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘪𝘤𝘦, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘢𝘴 𝘤𝘢𝘴𝘶𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘺 𝘢𝘴 𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘣𝘭𝘦, 𝘐 𝘢𝘴𝘬𝘦𝘥 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘎𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘯 𝘍𝘰𝘳𝘥’𝘴 𝘯𝘶𝘮𝘣𝘦𝘳. 𝘐 𝘤𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘥 𝘎𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘯’𝘴 𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘴𝘦. 𝘏𝘪𝘴 𝘮𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘢𝘯𝘴𝘸𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘥. 𝘚𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘥 𝘴𝘸𝘦𝘦𝘵-𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘵𝘭𝘦-𝘰𝘭𝘥-𝘭𝘢𝘥𝘺-𝘮𝘰𝘮’𝘴-𝘢𝘱𝘱𝘭𝘦 -𝘱𝘪𝘦-𝘪𝘴𝘩. 𝘎𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘯’𝘴 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰𝘥𝘢𝘺, 𝘔𝘳. 𝘛𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘦. 𝘖𝘯 𝘢 𝘣𝘰𝘢𝘵 𝘰𝘧𝘧 𝘚𝘢𝘯𝘵𝘢 𝘔𝘰𝘯𝘪𝘤𝘢. 𝘏𝘦’𝘭𝘭 𝘣𝘦 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘰𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘶𝘯𝘵𝘪𝘭 𝘭𝘢𝘵𝘦 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘯𝘪𝘯𝘨. 𝘐𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘺𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘸𝘳𝘰𝘯𝘨? 𝘜𝘩, 𝘯𝘰, 𝘸𝘦’𝘷𝘦 𝘨𝘰𝘵 𝘢 𝘷𝘦𝘳𝘺 𝘨𝘰𝘰𝘥 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘸 𝘨𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘸𝘦𝘦𝘬, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘑𝘶𝘥𝘺, 𝘔𝘪𝘴𝘴 𝘎𝘢𝘳𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘥, 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘩𝘰𝘱𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘮𝘢𝘺𝘣𝘦 𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘳𝘶𝘯𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩 𝘵𝘰𝘥𝘢𝘺. 𝘐𝘵 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘸𝘦𝘢𝘬, 𝘶𝘯𝘤𝘰𝘯𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘤𝘪𝘯𝘨, 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘯 𝘐 𝘥𝘪𝘥𝘯’𝘵 𝘣𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘦𝘷𝘦 𝘮𝘦. “𝘞𝘦𝘭𝘭,” 𝘴𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘢𝘪𝘥 𝘢𝘵 𝘢 𝘭𝘰𝘴𝘴 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘸𝘰𝘳𝘥𝘴. 𝘓𝘰𝘰𝘬 𝘐’𝘮 𝘴𝘰𝘳𝘳𝘺 𝘵𝘰 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘥𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘣𝘦𝘥 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘔𝘳𝘴. 𝘍𝘰𝘳𝘥. 𝘐𝘧, 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘧𝘳𝘰𝘮 𝘎𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘯, 𝘱𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘴𝘦 𝘢𝘴𝘬 𝘩𝘪𝘮 𝘵𝘰 𝘤𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘮𝘦 𝘢𝘵 𝘮𝘺 𝘰𝘧𝘧𝘪𝘤𝘦. 𝘈𝘵 𝘵𝘦𝘯 𝘰𝘧 𝘦𝘭𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘯, 𝘚𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘞𝘩𝘪𝘵𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘥 𝘮𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘭 𝘮𝘦 𝘎𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘯 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘨𝘰𝘵𝘵𝘦𝘯 𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘰𝘶𝘤𝘩 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘩𝘦𝘳, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘴𝘩𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘰𝘶𝘵𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘪𝘵𝘶𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘰 𝘩𝘪𝘮. 𝘏𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘩𝘶𝘯𝘨 𝘶𝘱 𝘢𝘣𝘳𝘶𝘱𝘵𝘭𝘺. 𝘈𝘵 𝘦𝘭𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘳𝘵𝘺, 𝘚𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘞𝘩𝘪𝘵𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘨𝘢𝘪𝘯, 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘵𝘪𝘮𝘦 𝘪𝘯 𝘢 𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘨𝘳𝘦𝘢𝘵 𝘢𝘨𝘪𝘵𝘢𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯. “𝘋𝘰 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘬𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘫𝘶𝘴𝘵 𝘩𝘢𝘱𝘱𝘦𝘯𝘦𝘥? 𝘠𝘰𝘶’𝘳𝘦 𝘯𝘰𝘵 𝘨𝘰𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘣𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘦𝘷𝘦 𝘪𝘵. 𝘐𝘵 𝘩𝘢𝘱𝘱𝘦𝘯𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘮𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘐 𝘴𝘵𝘪𝘭𝘭 𝘥𝘰𝘯’𝘵 𝘣𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘦𝘷𝘦 𝘪𝘵!” “𝘞𝘩𝘢𝘵. 𝘞𝘩𝘢𝘵’𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘢𝘵𝘵𝘦𝘳?”𝘚𝘩𝘦 𝘵𝘰𝘭𝘥 𝘮𝘦. 𝘎𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘯 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘢𝘳𝘳𝘪𝘷𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘵 𝘮𝘺 𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘴𝘦 𝘢 𝘧𝘦𝘸 𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘶𝘵𝘦𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘦, 𝘶𝘯𝘢𝘯𝘯𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘤𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘶𝘯𝘦𝘹𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘵𝘦𝘥. 𝘚𝘯𝘰𝘸 𝘞𝘩𝘪𝘵𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘰𝘱𝘦𝘯𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘥𝘰𝘰𝘳, 𝘳𝘦𝘤𝘰𝘨𝘯𝘪𝘻𝘦𝘥 𝘩𝘪𝘮 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘣𝘦𝘧𝘰𝘳𝘦 𝘴𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘯 𝘦𝘮𝘪𝘵 𝘢 𝘴𝘪𝘨𝘩 𝘰𝘧 𝘳𝘦𝘭𝘪𝘦𝘧, 𝘩𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘣𝘳𝘶𝘴𝘩𝘦𝘥 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘢𝘴𝘪𝘥𝘦 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘢𝘳𝘮, 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘬𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘥 𝘸𝘪𝘭𝘥-𝘦𝘺𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘺𝘦𝘭𝘭𝘦𝘥, "𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘪𝘴 𝘴𝘩𝘦? 𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘬𝘦𝘦𝘱𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘩𝘦𝘳?" 𝘞𝘩𝘺, 𝘴𝘩𝘦’𝘴 𝘪𝘯 𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘣𝘦𝘥.” 𝘏𝘦 𝘱𝘰𝘬𝘦𝘥 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘪𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘹 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘰 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯 𝘢𝘯 𝘪𝘯𝘤𝘩 𝘰𝘧 𝘮𝘺 𝘸𝘪𝘧𝘦'𝘴 𝘧𝘢𝘤𝘦 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘸𝘢𝘳𝘯𝘦𝘥, "𝘋𝘰𝘯'𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘵𝘰𝘶𝘤𝘩 𝘩𝘦𝘳! 𝘋𝘰𝘯'𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘥𝘢𝘳𝘦. 𝘋𝘰𝘯’𝘵 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘥𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘵𝘰𝘶𝘤𝘩 𝘩𝘦𝘳! 𝘐’𝘭𝘭 𝘵𝘢𝘬𝘦 𝘤𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘩𝘦𝘳. 𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘴. 𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘱𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘮? “𝘕𝘰𝘸 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘬 𝘔𝘳. 𝘍𝘰𝘳𝘥 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘥𝘰𝘯’𝘵 𝘴𝘦𝘦𝘮 𝘵𝘰 𝘶𝘯𝘥𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘥. 𝘑𝘶𝘥𝘺 𝘸𝘰𝘬𝘦 𝘶𝘴 𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘢 𝘴𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘥 𝘴𝘭𝘦𝘦𝘱.” “𝘕𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘥. 𝘕𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘮𝘪𝘯𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵. 𝘑𝘶𝘴𝘵 𝘵𝘢𝘬𝘦 𝘮𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘩𝘦𝘳.” 𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦𝘶𝘱𝘰𝘯 𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘢𝘥𝘦 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘸𝘢𝘺 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘣𝘦𝘥𝘳𝘰𝘰𝘮, 𝘭𝘪𝘧𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘦𝘹𝘩𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘥 𝘎𝘢𝘳𝘭𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘣𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘤𝘢𝘳𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘥 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘣𝘰𝘥𝘪𝘭𝘺 𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘰 𝘩𝘪𝘴 𝘤𝘢𝘳. “𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘴?” 𝘏𝘦 𝘤𝘳𝘪𝘦𝘥 𝘢𝘤𝘤𝘶𝘴𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘭𝘺. “𝘏𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘬𝘦𝘱𝘵 𝘢𝘯𝘺 𝘰𝘧 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘴?” 𝘐𝘯 𝘢𝘯𝘴𝘸𝘦𝘳, 𝘴𝘩𝘦 𝘳𝘢𝘯 𝘪𝘯𝘴𝘪𝘥𝘦, 𝘨𝘰𝘵 𝘑𝘶𝘥𝘺'𝘴 𝘵𝘰𝘵𝘦 𝘣𝘢𝘨, 𝘧𝘭𝘶𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘵 𝘢𝘵 𝘎𝘭𝘦𝘯𝘯, 𝘴𝘢𝘪𝘥, "𝘛𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦! 𝘕𝘰𝘸 𝘨𝘦𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘩𝘦𝘭𝘭 𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦!" 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘴𝘭𝘢𝘮𝘮𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘥𝘰𝘰𝘳.

by Anonymousreply 448January 29, 2020 5:57 PM

The next morning Mel tells the producer about their night with Judy. She’s late for rehearsal. They wait for hours. The producer wants to cancel. Judy finally shows up.

𝘛𝘩𝘦 𝘳𝘦𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘴𝘢𝘭 𝘥𝘰𝘰𝘳 𝘴𝘸𝘶𝘯𝘨 𝘰𝘱𝘦𝘯, 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘪𝘯 𝘸𝘢𝘭𝘬𝘦𝘥 𝘑𝘶𝘥𝘺. 𝘖𝘳, 𝘐 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘴𝘢𝘺, 𝘪𝘯 𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘤𝘦𝘥 𝘑𝘶𝘥𝘺. 𝘚𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘸𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘴𝘵𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘢𝘳𝘥 𝘳𝘦𝘩𝘦𝘢𝘳𝘴𝘢𝘭 𝘤𝘰𝘴𝘵𝘶𝘮𝘦, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘯𝘰𝘸-𝘧𝘢𝘮𝘪𝘭𝘪𝘢𝘳 𝘧𝘪𝘴𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘮𝘢𝘯'𝘴 𝘩𝘢𝘵, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘰𝘧𝘵 𝘸𝘩𝘪𝘵𝘦 𝘴𝘢𝘯𝘥𝘢𝘭𝘴, 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘭𝘪𝘮 𝘴𝘭𝘢𝘤𝘬𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘨𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘩𝘢𝘮 𝘤𝘩𝘦𝘤𝘬𝘦𝘥 𝘣𝘭𝘰𝘶𝘴𝘦. 𝘚𝘩𝘦 𝘧𝘭𝘰𝘶𝘯𝘤𝘦𝘥 𝘤𝘭𝘦𝘢𝘳 𝘢𝘤𝘳𝘰𝘴𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘳𝘰𝘰𝘮, 𝘸𝘢𝘷𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘩𝘦𝘭𝘭𝘰 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘳𝘴 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘥𝘢𝘯𝘤𝘦𝘳𝘴, 𝘱𝘢𝘶𝘴𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘵𝘰 𝘬𝘪𝘴𝘴 𝘑𝘢𝘤𝘬 𝘑𝘰𝘯𝘦𝘴 𝘰𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘩𝘦𝘦𝘬, 𝘴𝘮𝘪𝘭𝘪𝘯𝘨, 𝘳𝘢𝘥𝘪𝘢𝘯𝘵, 𝘢 𝘥𝘦𝘤𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘥 𝘴𝘱𝘳𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘪𝘯 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘴𝘵𝘦𝘱. 𝘐 𝘤𝘢𝘶𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘊𝘰𝘭𝘭𝘢𝘳𝘦𝘯 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘵 𝘮𝘦 𝘴𝘵𝘳𝘢𝘯𝘨𝘦𝘭𝘺. 𝘈𝘴 𝘪𝘧 𝘵𝘰 𝘴𝘢𝘺, “𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢𝘣𝘰𝘶𝘵, 𝘴𝘩𝘦’𝘴 𝘧𝘪𝘯𝘦. 𝘚𝘩𝘦’𝘴 𝘣𝘦𝘢𝘶𝘵𝘪𝘧𝘶𝘭. 𝘙𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘢𝘴 𝘳𝘢𝘪𝘯. “𝘞𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘱𝘶𝘵𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘮𝘦 𝘰𝘯? 𝘚𝘩𝘦 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘬𝘴 𝘭𝘪𝘬𝘦 𝘴𝘩𝘦 𝘫𝘶𝘴𝘵 𝘴𝘭𝘦𝘱𝘵 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘢 𝘸𝘦𝘦𝘬!” 𝘈𝘴 𝘑𝘶𝘥𝘺 𝘸𝘦𝘯𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘳𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘱𝘢𝘤𝘦𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘢𝘵 𝘢𝘧𝘵𝘦𝘳𝘯𝘰𝘰𝘯, 𝘐 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘭𝘥 𝘰𝘯𝘭𝘺 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘬 𝘢𝘵 𝘩𝘦𝘳 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘢𝘳𝘷𝘦𝘭. 𝘏𝘰𝘸 𝘴𝘩𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘮𝘢𝘯𝘢𝘨𝘦𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘳𝘦𝘵𝘶𝘳𝘯 𝘩𝘰𝘮𝘦, 𝘤𝘩𝘢𝘯𝘨𝘦 𝘤𝘭𝘰𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘴, 𝘥𝘰 𝘸𝘩𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘷𝘦𝘳 𝘴𝘩𝘦 𝘩𝘢𝘥 𝘵𝘰 𝘥𝘰 𝘵𝘰 𝘥𝘳𝘢𝘨 𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘴𝘦𝘭𝘧 𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘰𝘧 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘴𝘭𝘦𝘦𝘱𝘭𝘦𝘴𝘴 𝘢𝘣𝘺𝘴𝘴 𝘴𝘩𝘦 𝘮𝘶𝘴𝘵 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘣𝘦𝘦𝘯 𝘪𝘯 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘴𝘩𝘰𝘸 𝘶𝘱 𝘢𝘵 𝘛𝘦𝘭𝘦𝘷𝘪𝘴𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘊𝘪𝘵𝘺 𝘢𝘭𝘭 𝘸𝘪𝘵𝘩𝘪𝘯 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘤𝘰𝘶𝘳𝘴𝘦 𝘰𝘧 𝘢𝘯 𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘢𝘯𝘥 𝘢 𝘩𝘢𝘭𝘧 𝘸𝘢𝘴 𝘤𝘰𝘮𝘱𝘭𝘦𝘵𝘦𝘭𝘺 𝘣𝘦𝘺𝘰𝘯𝘥 𝘮𝘦. 𝘠𝘦𝘵 𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘴𝘩𝘦 𝘸𝘢𝘴, 𝘢𝘭𝘦𝘳𝘵, 𝘢𝘭𝘪𝘷𝘦, 𝘦𝘯𝘦𝘳𝘨𝘦𝘵𝘪𝘤, 𝘭𝘰𝘰𝘬𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘧𝘳𝘪𝘨𝘩𝘵𝘦𝘯𝘪𝘯𝘨𝘭𝘺 𝘯𝘰𝘳𝘮𝘢𝘭.

by Anonymousreply 449January 29, 2020 5:58 PM

How do people remember entire conversations like that? I remember the gist of a conversation, but rarely do I remember more than 1 specific thing they said.

by Anonymousreply 450January 29, 2020 6:02 PM

Bette's first husband Ham Nelson divorced her because she read too much, didn’t provide "that close communion between husband and wife."

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by Anonymousreply 451January 29, 2020 6:03 PM

Bette and Ham made a cute couple, and her vaccination scar is showing.

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by Anonymousreply 452January 29, 2020 6:05 PM

R448, I'll take Rose Marie to block.

by Anonymousreply 453January 29, 2020 6:10 PM

R450 I always wonder the same thing whenever I read biographies. It would be impossible for anyone to remember conversations verbatim, especially if it happened years ago. I think they remember the gist of it, and the way a person used to speak, then they work from there and try to write it as closely as possible, but they’re obviously not giving you the exact quotes. It would be impossible.

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by Anonymousreply 454January 29, 2020 6:12 PM

R453 What is that in reference to?

by Anonymousreply 455January 29, 2020 6:15 PM

R451 I read that. I’m sure there were other reasons for the divorce. Bette was too busy reading scripts anyway. It sounded like her career was very important to him because he asked her to get those abortions.

by Anonymousreply 456January 29, 2020 6:17 PM

R452 I agree.

by Anonymousreply 457January 29, 2020 6:18 PM

Vaccination scar? In the 30's?

No.

by Anonymousreply 458January 29, 2020 6:21 PM

r454 BD Hyman had conversations transcribed verbatim from when she was a little girl in My Mother's Keeper. She was called out on such obvious bullshit when the book was published. Nobody can remember exact conversations from when they were five years old.

by Anonymousreply 459January 29, 2020 6:33 PM

R459 Exactly, unless she had a secret recording system hidden inside her teddy bear, there’s no way B.D. remembered everything her mother said. 95% of her book was probably fiction. Total bullshit.

by Anonymousreply 460January 29, 2020 6:41 PM

R458 Looks like a bruise or a scrape.

by Anonymousreply 461January 29, 2020 6:43 PM

The smallpox vaccine was developed in 1796, R458, and was available in the US by 1799. Bette's home state Massachusetts made vaccination compulsory in 1809.

by Anonymousreply 462January 29, 2020 6:43 PM

R462 Thanks for that information. Interesting to know.

by Anonymousreply 463January 29, 2020 6:44 PM

Smallpox vaccination scar: why it happens

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by Anonymousreply 464January 29, 2020 6:48 PM

R464 Thanks for the link. I remember seeing those round scars on people’s arms when I was a child and wondering what they were. I used to think it was an injury because my mom does have a round scar like that on the back of her leg.

by Anonymousreply 465January 29, 2020 6:55 PM

R459

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by Anonymousreply 466January 29, 2020 7:46 PM

I don’t know why the link posted without my comment. DL keeps crashing. Anyway, even from reading this article at the time the book was released, you can tell that B.D. sounds like a liar. She has bullshit excuses for everything. I’m sure Bette didn’t just trash every actor the way it describes in this article. Of course B.D. probably didn’t mention any of the complimentary things she said about her co-stars, that wouldn’t be interesting. I’ve never read the book, but it sounds like total bullshit from everything I’ve heard. B.D. always comes across as a spoiled, ungrateful brat, even today.

“Hyman gives considerable space in the book to her mother’s opinions of actors. Few are complimentary. Peter Ustinov, with whom she made “Death on the Nile,” is “a bore. . . . If I had to listen to one more anecdote I’d have puked right in his face.” Sir Alec Guinness, with whom she made “The Scapegoat,” is “a dreadful actor. . . . " Robert Stack, with whom she worked on “John Paul Jones” is " . . . the dullest actor who ever lived.”

by Anonymousreply 467January 29, 2020 8:44 PM

BD Hyman never once mentioned in her book how Bette nearly went broke supporting her and her lazy do-nothing husband for two decades. Bette paid out the ass to give BD and her family a comfortable lifestyle. BD and her husband were a couple of leeching assholes who never wanted to work for a living.

by Anonymousreply 468January 29, 2020 8:56 PM

I remember as a child all the adults had vaccination scars. Some had two. Which you'd see more in the summer, obviously.

This thread is like, 6 degrees of Glenn Ford.

Bette and Ham went to Cushing Academy in Ashburnham MA. I mean, I think they met there as high school students.

by Anonymousreply 469January 29, 2020 11:35 PM

I remember as a child all the adults had vaccination scars. Some had two. Which you'd see more in the summer, obviously.

This thread is like, 6 degrees of Glenn Ford.

Bette and Ham went to Cushing Academy in Ashburnham MA. I mean, I think they met there as high school students.

by Anonymousreply 470January 29, 2020 11:35 PM

Charlotte Chandler, who knew both Bette and Joan, had this to say:

WCT: Was their feud real? Was it publicity?

CC: I think that they didn't care so much for each other. It wasn't a feud, though. Joan Crawford said, 'It takes two to feud,' and she felt no feud at all. She said she never understood why she called Bette 'Bette' and Bette called her 'Miss Crawford.' But Bette told me that when she called her 'Joan' it didn't get a laugh [and] it didn't any mention in a newspaper; if she called her 'Miss Crawford'—especially with her sneer—she'd get a line in a column or something.

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by Anonymousreply 471January 29, 2020 11:56 PM

From Wikipedia...someone needs to join that snake-oil church in Charlottesville to deliver a long overdue pie in the face to that ungrateful, demented, lying leech:

Mike Wallace rebroadcast a 60 Minutes interview he had filmed with Hyman a few years earlier in which she commended Davis on her skills as a mother when she (Hyman) was younger, and said that she had adopted many of Davis's principles in raising her own children. My Mother's Keeper was a best-seller; the second book, however, did not generate the same level of interest. Despite the acrimony of their divorce years earlier, Davis's former husband, Gary Merrill, defended Davis and claimed in an interview with CNN that B. D. was motivated by “cruelty and greed”. B. D.'s brother through adoption, Michael Merrill, ended contact with B.D., and refused to speak to her again. Bette Davis disinherited B. D. and her grandchildren; her estate was instead divided between her adopted son Michael Merrill and her assistant Kathryn Sermak.

A born-again Christian, Hyman is the head of her own ministry and pastor of her church in Charlottesville, Virginia. She has written three books which were published by her ministry: Oppressive Parents: How to Leave Them and Love Them (1992), The Church is Not the Bride (2000), The Rapture, the Tribulation, and Beyond (2002).

by Anonymousreply 472January 30, 2020 3:43 AM

Whatever happened to BD's two sons? They would both be middle-aged by now.

by Anonymousreply 473January 30, 2020 3:52 AM

As much as I admire her acting, Bette Davis was the epitome of hypocrisy. She derided 'sad' Judy Garland because she turned to drugs.

This from a woman who despite having a massive stroke, then breast cancer, refused to stop her FOUR PACK a day nicotine habit. If that isn't the definition of an addict, I don't know what is.

by Anonymousreply 474January 30, 2020 4:16 AM

Well, cigarettes are not really in the same category as amphetamines and barbituates.

Bette's memoir 'This and That' is unintentionally hilarious at times. She wrote that after her strokes and mastectomy she gave up drinking and smoking for a WHOLE MONTH, before starting again. She was quite proud of this. When she resumed drinking and smoking after that month-long period of abstinence, she switched from scotch to white wine and unfiltered cigs to filtered cigs as a "concession to her doctors."

Of course, you have to remember the generation Bette was from . Low-tar cigs and white wine were "healthy" choices for people from her era.

by Anonymousreply 475January 30, 2020 4:21 AM

Bette never appeared to inhale when she smoked.

by Anonymousreply 476January 30, 2020 7:09 AM

Yes she did, r476....

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by Anonymousreply 477January 30, 2020 12:54 PM

For non-inhaling, r476, watch Babs in Funny Lady.

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by Anonymousreply 478January 30, 2020 12:59 PM

R477, From an interview Bette gave to the New York Times in 1989, the year she died . . .

"Miss Davis was puffing away as only Bette Davis can puff away, chain-smoking Vantage cigarettes, which she continues to smoke defiantly in exactly the way she's supposed to smoke them. Her only concession to the thank-you-for-not-smoking era is that she has switched to filter-tips from her traditional Lucky Strikes. 'I don't really inhale,' Miss Davis said. 'You know. It's terrible, the rotten little places they force smokers to inhabit in restaurants. Yes. The no-smoking areas.'"

by Anonymousreply 479January 30, 2020 1:34 PM

R475... addiction is a addiction, thus she had no business PUBLICLY denouncing anyone for their own addictive vices...

by Anonymousreply 480January 30, 2020 1:57 PM

[quote]Is he implying that Glenn beat Judy?

Yes. Was Glenn a mean drunk?

by Anonymousreply 481January 30, 2020 3:13 PM

Yes, she was, r481.

by Anonymousreply 482January 30, 2020 3:20 PM

I VERY rarely W/W an M/G post, r482, but you deserve one.

by Anonymousreply 483January 30, 2020 3:24 PM

[quote]Apparently, Cesar Romero and Glenn Ford didn’t get along.

Ford didn't like guys once he caught them staring at his crotch. See, e.g., Alec Guinness

by Anonymousreply 484January 30, 2020 3:30 PM

Glenn and Rita didn't deserve honorary Oscars but Betty did?

Whoever decides these things is an idiot.

by Anonymousreply 485January 30, 2020 7:14 PM

R468 Why would BD mention any of the good things Bette did for her? She obviously wanted everyone to believe that her mother was a monster. It would have contradicted all of the nasty shit she wrote about Bette if everyone knew that she supported BD’s lazy ass. That was obviously Bette’s mistake, she handed everything to BD on a silver platter and she took advantage of her. She was a greedy bitch who was never satisfied.

by Anonymousreply 486January 30, 2020 9:57 PM

R469 Glenn Ford is like the Kevin Bacon of the Golden Age, you can basically connect him to anyone in less than six degrees because he either fucked them or starred in a movie with them, including Kevin Bacon who’s connected to Glenn by one degree, he was in a TV movie with him called The Gift in 1979.

I didn’t know that Bette and Ham were high school sweethearts. At least she knew he liked her before she became famous, even if it sounds like he ended up using her, too.

by Anonymousreply 487January 30, 2020 10:03 PM

R473 Two sons? Everything that I’ve read said that Bette had two adopted children, a son and a daughter. Did she adopt another one? Do you mean a stepson?

by Anonymousreply 488January 30, 2020 10:07 PM

Oh ok, I reread your post, you said BD’s sons. The page crashed. Sorry about that.

by Anonymousreply 489January 30, 2020 10:08 PM

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by Anonymousreply 490January 30, 2020 10:18 PM

R474 Isn’t almost everyone in Hollywood a hypocrite? I remember reading how Joan Crawford would call other actresses whores even though she fucked half the town.

by Anonymousreply 491January 30, 2020 10:23 PM

R481 Peter Ford said in one of his interviews that Glenn wanted to sue Tormé when that book came out, the beating allegation is obviously why. Peter was asked that question in one of the interviews and he said that his father was a very mean drunk. He said they almost got into fistfights even when Glenn was in his 70’s. One of his fiancée’s sued him, she accused him of beating up his maid and throwing her down the stairs, then threatening to do the same to her.

by Anonymousreply 492January 30, 2020 10:39 PM

R484 I also read that. As soon as Glenn realized that Alec Guinness wanted his dick he started giving him the brush off.

I found this story about Glenn in the host of Hollywood Squares Peter Marshall’s book. Glenn made a crack about Cesar Romero on the air. Looks like an interesting book. Milton Berle, Vincent Price, Gene Hackman and George C. Scott were some of the other movie stars who did the show. There are stories about them in the book too. Here are a couple of the pages that mention Ford.

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by Anonymousreply 493January 30, 2020 10:57 PM

R484

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by Anonymousreply 494January 30, 2020 10:58 PM

R484

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by Anonymousreply 495January 30, 2020 11:00 PM

R471 Some of it was probably hyped in the press. I doubt their lives revolved around their hatred of each other the way it was portrayed in the movie. We know that so much of that movie was fiction, just like all biopics are.

by Anonymousreply 496January 30, 2020 11:05 PM

R485 The list of actors the academy has snubbed is endless. It includes some of the biggest box office stars in history. It’s a disgrace. There’s always been a hierarchy. Glenn and Rita didn’t suck their cocks and kiss their asses.

by Anonymousreply 497January 30, 2020 11:18 PM

"Glenn made a crack about Cesar Romero on the air."

He sounds like a homophobic douche. Cesar was a great guy.

by Anonymousreply 498January 31, 2020 3:07 AM

Mattyb I think you're marvelous. You always give thoughtful, informative comments when responding to another's post.

by Anonymousreply 499January 31, 2020 4:44 AM

I agree about Mattyb.

I love the classic Hollywood threads. So much information. And these threads are also frau-proof, as well as other undesirables who stink up other threads. That's really nice.

by Anonymousreply 500January 31, 2020 4:50 AM

R497, I never understood why the Academy chose to give an honorary Oscar to Sophia Loren in 1991

She had already won one years before for "Two Women" and she was still a working actress, not retired, ill or elderly.

There were numerous others that honorary Oscar could have gone to that year.

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by Anonymousreply 501January 31, 2020 5:28 AM

The Academy wanted to give Marlene Dietrich an honorary Oscar sometime in the 1980s (Dietrich was a recluse holed up in her Paris apartment by then) but only if she would appear at the Oscar ceremony in person to accept it. Of course, Dietrich wasn't going to do that and the plans were cancelled.

by Anonymousreply 502January 31, 2020 6:14 AM

They allowed Myrna Loy to accept her honorary Oscar from home in NYC . . .

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by Anonymousreply 503January 31, 2020 8:52 AM

Doris Day was willing to accept her Oscar at home but I guess they insisted she appear. Day always said if you want to give her an award she would happily accept it but she was not leaving Carmel. Even Irene Dunne got a Kennedy Center honor but did not show up. You clearly need a note from your doctor to be excused.

Grant refused one because he did not want to give a speech. Yet he had no problem going on tour, meeting his fans and talking about his films.

by Anonymousreply 504January 31, 2020 11:37 AM

R504, Cary Grant received an honorary Oscar in 1970 and gave a wonderful speech.

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by Anonymousreply 505January 31, 2020 12:25 PM

R504, Doris Day was given the Cecil B. DeMille Award at the 1989 Golden Globe Awards.

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by Anonymousreply 506January 31, 2020 12:30 PM

R504, Irene Dunne did travel to DC to attend the 1985 Kennedy Center Honors and was present at the White House, but she became ill and could not attend the ceremony at the Kennedy Center.

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by Anonymousreply 507January 31, 2020 12:37 PM

That is so silly to stamp their little feet and insists the honoree show up in person. It is their work you are honoring. If they don't feel like being carted out and displayed like a prized poodle that's their business.

by Anonymousreply 508January 31, 2020 3:49 PM

R499 and R500 Thanks for joining this thread. I appreciate every contribution and I’m glad you guys are enjoying it, too. Every post has been informative and enlightening. I’ve had fun reading all of them. Even if I disagree with someone, opposing viewpoints are always fascinating and welcome, everyone has made a valid argument about why they like or dislike Glenn. I’ve also been loving the Bette discussions, and discovering so many new things about all of these stars of the Golden Age that have been mentioned so far.

by Anonymousreply 509January 31, 2020 5:25 PM

R498 Yes, from everything that I’ve read basically everyone got along with Cesar. Everybody in Hollywood seemed to love him. Men and women. I’ve never heard anyone say a bad word about him. It was obvious that Cesar and Glenn didn’t get along when they worked together from the remark Cesar made to Ursula Thiess when he called Glenn a son of a bitch, and said he has a reputation for roughing up women. Glenn obviously knew that Cesar was gay, even though the public didn’t back then. Some women today still act surprised when they find out! Weren’t most straight men from that era homophobic? I would be shocked if he didn’t have that attitude. One of Glenn’s earliest mentors was a director who was gay. I’ll post what Peter Ford said in his book about their relationship here.

by Anonymousreply 510January 31, 2020 5:30 PM

Excerpt from Glenn Ford: A Life By Peter Ford

The Santa Monica Community Players, however, was Dad’s artistic home. And though he valued Hal Clifton highly as his director, mentor, and friend, it gradually became clear that Hal’s interest in Gwyllyn Ford was also highly personal. It was an open secret among the Players that Hal Clifton was a homosexual, and rumors went around of his occasional affairs with this or that good-looking young actor. As Gwyllyn became the boss’s “new favorite” and was often seen in close contact with him in the theater and around town, there was inevitable gossip surrounding their relationship. Clifton could be temperamental as a director, but he was always gentle and soft-spoken with Gwyllyn, further fueling speculation among those who had suffered his wrath. It is a delicate subject to bring up to one’s father, but Dad addressed my question with candor: “Hal at some point told me he was in love with me. I told him I could not reciprocate, and he accepted it, but it did make me nervous. Fortunately, he was always professional, so we were able to work together over and over without incident. I had deep respect for Hal’s talents.” Dad never forgot Hal’s help at the start of his career, and after he achieved success as an actor and was able to request certain personnel to work with him on his films, he rewarded Hal. Hal joined Glenn on Gilda and worked on nearly every one of Dad’s films as a dialogue director and coach until I succeeded him in 1968.

Dad did develop a romantic connection at the Community Players with a winsome strawberry blonde named Donna Damon, whom he had first met at Santa Monica High. She was pretty, sweet-natured, interested in a career in acting, and devoted to Gwyllyn. They became boyfriend and girlfriend and went everywhere together. They were seen as a cute and attractive couple, two good-looking young people from the same background and with the same enthusiasms. Even Hannah, who generally looked askance at any girl who showed an interest in her son, thought Donna a “very nice girl” and accepted her. It was an apparently chaste romance, as was not unusual in those more innocent days, though that may be one reason why they had many breakups through the long course of their relationship. During some of those periods Dad had a secret romance with another young woman at the Players. This actress—we’ll call her Cheryl—evidently offered what Donna didn’t. “She was a wonderful girl,” Glenn would later recall. “And she was willing to go a lot further sexually than some others, I guess I took advantage of that. It was my first adult affair. We were not very smart about it, and at one point we both feared she was pregnant. I went around a nervous wreck for a couple of days until she discovered she was okay. I was very careful from then on.”

by Anonymousreply 511January 31, 2020 5:32 PM

R501 I’ve never understood the obsession with Sophia Loren, maybe because her breasts don’t blind me. Her pussy obviously mesmerized quite a few members of the Academy, or she sucked the right cocks. Overrated in every way. Thanks for the info on honorary Oscars. I’ve read that recipients of honorary Oscars are no longer required to appear because the ceremony is no longer part of the telecast, at least they’re starting to make some progress.

by Anonymousreply 512January 31, 2020 5:35 PM

R508 Apparently, they’ve changed that stupid rule because the ceremony for honorary Oscar recipients is no longer part of the telecast. Thanks for the videos that everyone has posted. I did a quick search on YouTube and was surprised to see that Jackie Chan has received one, he’s not the greatest actor, but he’s a big box office star all over the world, and he seems like a nice guy, but I think there are other actors who deserved the honor before he did. I can’t exactly name any classic films he’s been in.

by Anonymousreply 513January 31, 2020 5:42 PM

Found this YouTube video of the opening of the 1967 Academy Awards.

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by Anonymousreply 514January 31, 2020 7:28 PM

r514 - Stay tuned for Felony Squad which will immediately follow this special program.

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by Anonymousreply 515January 31, 2020 10:05 PM

Oooh, r514, Raquel Welch "in gold pajamas"!

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by Anonymousreply 516January 31, 2020 10:10 PM

R515 I would have stayed up for Rat Patrol! I can’t believe they had so many shows on after the awards back then. The night is over after the 4 hour telecast nowadays and nobody would be able to stay tuned after that snooze fest.

by Anonymousreply 517January 31, 2020 10:33 PM

R516 So fabulous!

by Anonymousreply 518January 31, 2020 10:34 PM

R517, That was just on the west coast.

by Anonymousreply 519January 31, 2020 10:40 PM

Did Glenn know about Rock? Rock looks like something upsetting happened before this photo was snapped. Maybe Glenn had just told one of his infamous jokes. The biggest question I have is what the fuck was going on with Rock’s look in the 70’s? What happened to his hair? I don’t think I’ve ever seen him with that style before.

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by Anonymousreply 520January 31, 2020 10:46 PM

R519 I always forget that the west coast is watching it in the afternoon, I always think of it as a night time event, even though it’s obviously still day time when the stars are arriving.

by Anonymousreply 521January 31, 2020 10:51 PM

R176 This is the most attractive that I’ve ever seen Bette look in a photo, it appears to be from very early in her career.

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by Anonymousreply 522February 1, 2020 4:23 PM

R176 The pic’s not loading, Let me trying posting It again. .

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by Anonymousreply 523February 1, 2020 4:26 PM

^Bad link.

by Anonymousreply 524February 1, 2020 4:27 PM

That's Bette with Joan Blondell, circa 1934.

by Anonymousreply 525February 1, 2020 4:30 PM

R525 Thanks for the info. So she was about 26 there. A Stolen Life was 11 years later, when she was pushing 40, she looked 20 years older by then. They all seemed to age overnight as soon as they hit 30 back then.

by Anonymousreply 526February 1, 2020 4:37 PM

She HATED doing cheesecake.

by Anonymousreply 527February 1, 2020 9:46 PM

Glenn Ford was a very charming and erudite companion. Unfortunately, he couldn't keep up with my sexual demands.

by Anonymousreply 528February 1, 2020 10:36 PM

Bette said she was beautiful in Mr. Skeffington giving most of the credit to Perc and Orry-Kelly.

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by Anonymousreply 529February 1, 2020 11:02 PM

R527 She knew it was all nonsense, an actress can’t rely on her looks if she wants to have longevity in the business, she has nothing left when the looks fade away if she’s not a good actress, too..

I found this quote from Bette in Peter Ford’s book where he talks about the advice Glenn said she gave him.

‘Dad’s work with Bette Davis had been not just a great professional opportunity. He had learned much from the great star and had been able to talk about the craft of acting with her in a way he had never done before. He explained:

One of the things Bette would say to me was, “The really interesting people are not the wishy-washy handsome men and beautiful women. It’s the characters who are different, who have unique problems to overcome, and for whom the audience can feel sympathy and great interest.” Our talks crystallized many of the ideas I had been formulating before I went into the service. Even then I was getting tired of playing conventional nice guys. I was only too eager to get a chance to play someone more complicated—characters that were both good and bad.

by Anonymousreply 530February 1, 2020 11:44 PM

R528 Bull, you old fag hag. Glenn wouldn’t touch you with a 10 foot pole. He only screws MOVIE STARS, not Broadway has-beens. And I’m the dame who can prove it...

by Anonymousreply 531February 1, 2020 11:49 PM

R529 She was cute in that movie, but I never bought the premise that she was supposed to be so drop dead gorgeous that every man in town was chasing after her.

by Anonymousreply 532February 2, 2020 12:00 AM

So, which golden age stars were gay, besides the ones we all know about like Rock Hudson?

by Anonymousreply 533February 2, 2020 1:18 AM

R504 Irene Dunne was in DC, she didn't feel well and missed the Kennedy Center ceremonies, it turned out she was suffering from dehydration but as the picture posted shows, she was there for the earlier presentation. I don't think it's a good example of what we're talking about.

by Anonymousreply 534February 2, 2020 6:25 AM

R533 I think it be would easier to name the Golden Age stars that I’ve never heard any gay rumors about. Frank Sinatra, William Holden and Glenn Ford are probably the only actors that I can’t find any verifiable gay stories about. Have you read about Scotty Bowers? He claimed to be a pimp for almost everybody in Hollywood back then. He basically says that everyone else was gay or bi. Spencer Tracy, Walter Pidgeon, Tyrone Power, Cary Grant, Randolph Scott etc. I’ve also heard gossip about Robert Mitchum, Paul Newman, Burt Lancaster, Tony Curtis...the list goes on and on...

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by Anonymousreply 535February 2, 2020 6:16 PM

"He basically says that everyone else was gay or bi. Spencer Tracy, Walter Pidgeon, Tyrone Power, Cary Grant, Randolph Scott etc."

He made up the "rumors" about Tracy. Power, Grant, and Scott were definitely bi and the rumors about them them were around long before Scotty started blabbing

by Anonymousreply 536February 2, 2020 6:32 PM

Of course. Everyone knows those rumors about Power, Grant and Scott have been around forever. If I recall correctly, there’s an entire chapter devoted to Grant and Scott in the original Hollywood Babylon book from 1959. I didn’t mean that Bowers was the first to make those claims, I just included them in the list of names who are mentioned by various sources, including Bowers. I’m talking about gossip that I’ve heard from different sources over the years. I think Tracy is mentioned in one of the newer versions of Hollywood Babylon, but I don’t remember if the book came out after Bower’s book.

by Anonymousreply 537February 2, 2020 6:46 PM

R536 Looks like Bowers wasn’t the first to make that claim about Spencer Tracy. Apparently, Jack Warner’s assistant first made that claim in a 2001 Vanity Fair article. Here’s a link about it.

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by Anonymousreply 538February 2, 2020 6:56 PM

Found the link to the 2001 Vanity Fair article.

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by Anonymousreply 539February 3, 2020 3:26 PM

^ The guy doesn't sound too trustworthy

by Anonymousreply 540February 3, 2020 5:35 PM

R540 I have no idea if that guy was a credible source, but that article proves that Scotty Bowers wasn’t the first person to make those bisexual claims about Spencer Tracy.

by Anonymousreply 541February 3, 2020 6:54 PM

All About Eve Premiere and Bette Davis puts her name in Cement

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by Anonymousreply 542February 3, 2020 11:51 PM

"George Sanders comes with his wife Sarie Gayber" ???

by Anonymousreply 543February 4, 2020 12:29 AM

Sari was her birth name:

Sári Gábor February 6, 1917 Budapest, Austria-Hungary

by Anonymousreply 544February 4, 2020 12:48 AM

Her first film credit is 1952, she obviously changed her name shortly after this. The character’s name in her first role in Lovely to Look At was called Zsa Zsa, that’s probably where she got it from. Nobody knew who she was at the time of this premiere, they probably only knew her as George Sander’s wife.

by Anonymousreply 545February 4, 2020 1:51 PM

She's credited as Zsa Zsa Gabor in the trailer....

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by Anonymousreply 546February 4, 2020 3:07 PM

R546 Looks like that was common practice for actors back then, to take their stage name from characters they played in their first major roles. The studio did the same thing with Terry Moore:

“Born January 7, 1929, in Glendale, California, as Helen Luella Koford, Moore grew up in a Mormon family in Los Angeles, California. She worked as a child model before making her film debut in Maryland (1940). Moore was billed as Judy Ford, Jan Ford, and January Ford before taking Terry Moore as her name in 1948.

As Helen Koford, she had a supporting role in Son of Lassie (1945) and Shadowed (1946).

As "Jan Ford" she was billed third in The Devil on Wheels (1947) at Monogram.

Terry Moore at Columbia

Her career received a boost when Columbia Pictures signed her to a long term contract. She had the lead in The Return of October (1948) with Glenn Ford, playing a character called Terry Moore and that became her stage name.”

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by Anonymousreply 547February 4, 2020 4:04 PM

Speaking of Glenn and Terry. She looks drunk, high, or both at this party she attended with him.

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by Anonymousreply 548February 4, 2020 4:11 PM

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by Anonymousreply 549February 4, 2020 4:12 PM

Maybe she was still stoned after seeing The Magic Christian earlier that year. That movie is a haze for me, too, when I try to remember it. Peter Sellers, Raquel Welch. That’s all I can recall.

Glenn Ford File Photos

Glen Ford & Terry Moore at the Premiere of Magic Christian, Los Angeles, CA 01/29/1970 at the Music Hall Theater (Photo by Ron Galella/Ron Galella Collection via Getty Images)

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by Anonymousreply 550February 4, 2020 4:17 PM

R547, Gig Young was born Byron Barr, but took the name of the character he played in "The Gay Sisters" as his professional name.

by Anonymousreply 551February 4, 2020 4:39 PM

Zsa Zsa made her film debut in Lovely To Look At (1952) at around age 35. I think Marilyn Monroe said about her: She's one of those blondes who put on ten years the closer you get to them.

by Anonymousreply 552February 4, 2020 4:45 PM

And Anne Shirley took her name from the character in ANNE OF GREEN GABLES that she played in 1935. However, Zsa Zsa was Zsa Zsa long before her first movie. It was her nickname, and I presumed they named the character in LOVELY TO LOOK AT after her.

by Anonymousreply 553February 4, 2020 4:46 PM

R551 Thanks for the info. I didn’t know that, I never thought about it before, but his name does sound like something a writer would make up. There are probably quite a few others who did the same.

R553 Thanks. Interesting. I presume Zsa Zsa might have mentioned it in an interview at some point.

by Anonymousreply 554February 5, 2020 4:41 AM

R552 I’ve read that her date of birth is disputed, so she might have been a few years older than she claimed. 35 seems a bit old to be making a film debut, especially at that time, so it’s understandable if she tried to shave off a few years.

by Anonymousreply 555February 5, 2020 4:46 AM

Lovely To Look At (directed by Mervyn LeRoy) was a really boring musical, btw. Except for a couple of numbers, Red Skelton's stand up routine, and the Adrian fashion show finale directed by Vincente Minnelli, w/ set design by Tony Duquette.

by Anonymousreply 556February 5, 2020 3:09 PM

Lovely To Look At (directed by Mervyn LeRoy) was a really boring musical, btw. Except for a couple of numbers, Red Skelton's stand up routine, and the Adrian fashion show finale directed by Vincente Minnelli, w/ set design by Tony Duquette.

by Anonymousreply 557February 5, 2020 3:09 PM

An Adrian fashion show directed by Vicente Minnelli? Gay alert!

by Anonymousreply 558February 5, 2020 4:13 PM

R558 Gay talent alert

by Anonymousreply 559February 5, 2020 4:31 PM

R557 Many people have made the same criticism of Minelli’s films, beautiful to look at, but boring. Actors who’ve talked about working with him have said that he was more concerned with the art direction and the set decoration than with directing the actors, they said they wish he had given them more guidance. This is probably sacrilege, but I fall asleep every time I try to watch An American in Paris. I can’t deny that it’s visually stunning, but it bores me to tears.

by Anonymousreply 560February 6, 2020 8:09 PM

R103 This thread has been paywalled, so I couldn’t post for awhile. I wanted to let you know that The Criterion Channel is adding 3 Glenn Ford movies in March. Gilda, 3:10 to Yuma and Affair in Trinidad. They’re also having an 8 film tribute to Rita Hayworth. Here are the details from their website about their March Lineup.

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by Anonymousreply 561February 27, 2020 10:07 PM

FWIW, I imagine Ford’s unrequited feelings must have been tough for Bette Davis to deal with. Quite simply and bluntly: she aged poorly and he didn’t. She was only 8 years older, but by POM, she looked old enough to be his mother (and WAS old enough to be Hope Lange’s). It probably didn’t help that she was made up to look even more ancient.

by Anonymousreply 562February 28, 2020 9:47 AM

FWIW, I imagine it was pretty tough for Bette Davis (or any woman) to deal with. Quite simply and bluntly: she aged poorly and Glenn Ford didn’t. She was only eight years older, but in POM she looked like his mother, and was old enough to be Hope Lange’s.

by Anonymousreply 563February 28, 2020 9:55 AM

R103 Criterion Channel has also added Blackboard Jungle to the line-up. There’s an interview with Peter Ford in the 3:10 to Yuma extras.

by Anonymousreply 564March 2, 2020 8:32 PM

R562 I agree. It had to be a big blow to Bette’s ego, especially when she was humiliated during POM. It also had to be tough for Bette to know that she was probably the only woman that Ford had ever rejected! I’m sure she knew about all of the other actresses he screwed. It sounds like it was an open secret in Hollywood, from everything that I’ve heard, and the gossip magazine articles that I’ve read from back then. I found several gossip columns by Hedda Hopper and Louella Parsons where they mention Ford falling in love with every leading lady. After his divorce from Eleanor Powell, they wrote about how he kept jumping from starlet to starlet. Bette had to feel like shit to know about that. It also sounds like she really fell for him and didn’t get over those feelings for a long time.

by Anonymousreply 565March 2, 2020 8:46 PM

Cool new review by Quentin Tarantino

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