I'm so sick of the hold jock's and gym rats have over this community

It has to be said: Jealous, bitch?

R1 Definitely not. 95% of them go overboard with steroids and end up looking gross.

The construction worker's body is an ideal physique to me.

You can't sit with us, OP.

The hold over the community is the collective will of the community. Gay men live for superficial fucks.

OP: Your pie hole types fat.

I don't live my life through the egos or narcissism of others. I live it through the desire to gain the most out of each and every experience. I don't have to be jealous of the class jock for the rest of my life. They end up with a big gutt like Billy Masterson in "Romy & Michelle", puking in the alley and making a pass at a girl they ignored in high school, while his wife is carrying around some other guy's baby in her belly. I saw the jocks at my reunion as well as the cheerleaders overloaded with either fat or excess make-up, while the geeks or nerds ended up looking just fine. As for the gay gym bunnies, let them slither in their own misery if they have to be a part of the clone club. Be happy for your own achievements and friends who like you for you, not the ones who are only happy when they are looking in the mirror. That mirror will crack eventually.

OP is offended. Again.

Another resentful fatty, that doesn’t want to do the work.

How’s that working out for you OP?

I'd agree with this. I'm in shape and considered attractive, but it was always hard to find dates when I was single simply because I didn't have a roided out gym body. I was never fat and I was never too skinny either and, if I do say so, my face is much better than most of the gym rats around there who have no personalities at all.

It's a big red flag when you encounter someone with a body like that. Enjoy the sex, because that's all you're gonna get from them. They're too busy in the gym to spend time with you or meet your friends/family.

Granted, I have met some who are different, so I don't want to lump everyone into one big grease fire pile. Even the nicer ones still don't have much time for anyone else but themselves if they're constantly in the gym.

Hell hath no fury like a former fug.

OP sounds bitter he isn’t sitting with them.

Vapid wannabe A list types are horrible but it’s easy to avoid them unless you’re trying to be one of them and failing. If you weren’t so desperate to be like them, you’d discover a world of gay guys that aren’t like that and therefore you wouldn’t have come up with this thread.

OP has been triggered!

I love 'em.

SWOLL NATION!

Jake Jacobs and his friends are all ugly.

I think you might be quick to judge. I’ve met many people at my CrossFit box that have several other interests and hobbies. When we get together, we go to art gallery openings, restaurants, go hiking, etc. Everyone brings a different perspective to the group, despite the fact that we are all passionate about fitness.

“Everyone brings a different perspective to the group, despite the fact that we all live to fuck guys who look like porn stars.“

Fixed it for you.

[R16] Not accurate, but a tight, muscular body is certainly preferable to a flabby mess. It’s just a preference, what can I say? 😄

Jock’s what, OP?

I do think there is a disproportionate focus in the gay community of looking a certain way. It’s not healthy and neither is it realistic, but it doesn’t bother me. It’s the same all over. If people want to put so much time and effort to look a certain way that’s their prerogative. The otters and the twinks and the bears and the gym rats can all live together in harmony.

Looks aside, there’s nothing more attractive than confidence anyway. Right? x

It's only a problem if you look for it. Plenty of straight men obsessed with working out and aids to help as well- it's not just a gay thing at all. If you don't like them- then don't focus on them. I've been going to gyms/clubs my entire adult life- regularly. I have never taken supplements or aids etc, just good old resistance and aerobic exercise. One of the best choices and habits I've made in my life. In all those years there are compulsive and body image challenged guys pumping away. So what? The more important issue is that obesity and overweight has gone from about 1/4 to 1/3 of the population to over 2/3 sinve about 1980. That to me is much more concerning than a few pumped, manscaped, tatted peacocks. When they are gay I call them waxed fruit. But they certainly don't bother me- it's the overweight folks who make me sad. (I'm in the health care world.)

Theres always been queens like that,does no one remember the 80s ? I was thin but never "built" and I never had a problem getting laid by all types. I was pretty good looking though (still called handsome but Im not thin anymore!) so that may have helped. Also, I never gave a seconds thought to what some other bitch thought about me and could read a bitch with a quickness if they got to lippy. Love yourself and quit worrying about those Muscle Marys.

“ Jocks and Gym Rats” only comprise a small percentage of the gay community. It seems like more because they put themselves out there and post content daily. The majority of us are average, working stiffs!

Ignore it, OP. Do your own thing.

Don’t let them bother you sweetie. They are overcompensating for major flaws and a void that will never be filled. I live by this motto: “Don’t sweat the small stuff, and it’s ALL small stuff!”

I think what I hate about it is the herd mentality. I'm not thin, never going to be. Don't care. But when most of the guys who might be alright are not alright because they're victim slaves to Noah's ark Syndrome, it can make for a lonely, frustrating life. You think there's a shortage of tops out there? Try looking for a moderately attractive guy with a moderately successful career and moderately stable personality who's actually content with his place in the caste system.

Guys dying at the gym who actually don't want to, come over to the dark side!

[quote]The don't sleep with guys unless they look like them. It's ridiculous.

And thus, buried near the end of his unhinged screed, we come to the heart of the matter.

They will sleep with you if you pay them!!! Most of them are whores.

R21 makes me sad.

Senile dementia is a terrible thing.

I don’t get it, watching what you eat and spending 1 1/2 - 2 hours a day, 5 - 6 days a week is such a small part of your life. Even easier with CrossFit, or a functional fitness type gym, since it’s already programmed for you. The results you get are worth it, and you don’t have to be insecure. I bet most of you spend the same amount of time on Datalounge!

I'm old and fat. What's a 'hold jock's'?

Are you just now realizing that people who are gym addicts are either neurotic and appearance obsessed or former fatties who are paranoid about gaining a single pound because that means they’ll be poor and alone forever?

Come on, op, you’re better than this.

Going to the gym is fun, why is everyone talking like it’s a bad thing? The rush, locker rooms, muscles...

Bump

[quote]Going to the gym is fun, why is everyone talking like it’s a bad thing? The rush, locker rooms, muscles..

I want to be seen for more than by my voluptuous body.

OP, would you post a photo of what you like? As always, the thread is useless without pics.

Here’s my fave (below).

I’ve posted a pic featuring a completely clothed man, because unless I’m their doctor, or embalmer, chances are they’re going to be wearing clothes when I meet ‘em.

Don’t do orgies, so...

R32 Exactly, some of my best fuck buds have come from the gym steam room and showers.

A bigger question OP is why you WANT to hang out with people who look like the photo in R3 or the men who worship them.

There is life beyond being a ProMo

PS: There is no creature more intolerable than a femme gay man with muscles. It's like you take the worst qualities of vain 16 year old boys and girls and combine them into an adult being.

there is nothing wrong about being in shape and being healthy. Guys that fixate on it probably have their own issues but I think its best to mind your own business and associate with people you value for reasons other than just looks. Same thing applies to romantic partners. A gym rat body doesnt guarantee a happy relationship. On th opposite spectrum its hard to respect somebody that is way overweight and doesnt have any self control over what he eats and is too lazy to exercise.

R37 because there is the possibility, be it ever so slight, that they might be tops

R3’s pic...

Lake Powell? Is that a new destination for the LA gays? A “Mariners on Meth” weekend package?

Look at ‘em: 👀 !

[R39] Everyone deserves respect, even if they are 600 lbs. In fact, treating people who are obese with disrespect is only making their problems worse. You also need to understand that their life doesn’t impact yours. I’m sure you have multiple person issues that need your attention - no one is perfect.

"Community"? What community??

I love it

Guys who aren't fit are just as capable of being fakes and flakes.

r41 I would like to pet the dog.

It's not a question of me wanting to fit in with the gym rats, because I'm never going to be that. But losing weight and starting to work out to get stronger has made me a lot more comfortable in my skin. In addition to actually allowing myself to be photographed more often (and no, not as ducklipped selfies), my friends have all said when comparing to photos I did used to allow, I look happier now.

That said, if you're carrying a spare tire, come sit by me.

Rats spread disease.

You whine fat, OP.

So everyone who isn't a narcissist is a fatso, R49? What good is a hot body when it is a cover for a repellent personality?

Eat lead mo.

Beg ta differ Jakey ^

R52: Two can play at that game, breeder!

Bashing back burns calories!

SLAP THEIR FACES, SLAP THEIR FACES VICIOUSLY!!

I was a bit surprised there weren't more people getting a jump on their resolutions at the gym this morning.

I guess people are still hung over.

[quote] Going to the gym is fun, why is everyone talking like it’s a bad thing? The rush, locker rooms, muscles...

...the layers of nacreous permacum on the floor...

[quote]...the layers of nacreous permacum on the floor...

I wish.

I thought the roided look went out in the 2000's. A lot of gay men got huge in order to look 'healthier' in the age of AIDS.

I don't see that look too much anymore. Everyone likes a healthy body.

I'll take a young, lean twink, please!

"I don't see that look too much anymore."

We now have the Insta-ho roided out look currently in vogue.

Why do people have to offer this glimpse into their imaginary life in every thread. "Oh, I am quite handsome, muscular and diverse in my activities. But I agree with you completely about those other jocks"

I admit to doing it myself sometimes. I try to base it on facts, but it is always the Instagram version. The one where I post the beautiful view from my back porch that manages to obscure the high voltage power lines.

I know it is the same thing that everybody does on SM. But it is always so see through here.

OP just needs to find better friends.

^obvious here

I don't think anyone here would consider any of the guys in R3's photo hot. I don't find them offensive either. They're just SCENE QUEENS.

OP, don't hate--congratulate!

I love aesthetics bros

In fairness to OP it does kind of trickle down. I was never A, in the day, but I was definitely B+, made A- if I devoted myself to the routines (we're being shallow here so bear with me.) And in my dating experience I found there was such a ruthlessness in gay "men" (most were damaged little boys, truth be told)... the average ones who were striving could often be the worst... semi gym bod, always the national haircut, the usual gauntlet of must haves to create a look that really didn't suit them. Bitches wearing suits that didn't quite fit. So I consciously aimed at what some people would call lower, if you follow the A scale. I only went after guys who didn't rate on the A scale. Because I was in good shape I often got 'why would you want to date a guy like me?' at some point. The guys not on the A scale are often as damaged as the guys who are. It is such a shame. But eventually I met this one, regular, grounded lovely guy and I married him three years ago and it's been terrific. I am very fortunate. But my point was, for everybody calling, hey, fattie, do the work... there's damage happening whether fattie does or doesn't and even if fattie does the work, there seems to be a price to pay in my experience.

In short: nice up everybody, get over it, get on with it. You get one life.

This guy doesn't spend too much time at the gym and he does ok, so what's the problem?

Nasty shaved pubes r69.

I can handle it to a certain extent. And then I resent it. That creep Davey Wavey is an example of what I resent. It’s not because he is flamboyant or because of the creepy girly face. It’s because he’s always shirtless, he’s entirely focused on appearances, he has nothing of any value to say, and the gay community decided to hold him up as a spokesperson, a hero and someone representative of who we are.

Years ago he got all this credit for posting a rant about ageism among gay men and I was so happy to see this merciless takedown published. But then it looks like Davey Wavey won in the end. No idea where this writer is now but I feel pretty certain that as long as Davey Wavey is still skinny and shirtless, he’s still raking in cash from the gays and partying hard with all the money and adoration.

I stopped reading all LGBT websites and magazines because of this shit. When I was coming of age decades ago, gay media helped me not to feel alone. Now it’s alienating, a widespread Mean Girls “you can’t sit with us” sensibility. Trans people accept no one who isn’t trans. Gay men accept no one who doesn’t look like Chris Hemsworth/Chris Pine/Chris Evans/some generic white CrossFit addict.

Aaron Schock is the true epitome of what the gay community promotes is desirable. That’s the truth of it. Most gay men have no real right to say Schock is a hypocrite because the only value promoted by gay men en masse is appearances. Nothing else matters. The editors of Out and The Advocate would publish a story encouraging gay men to march giddily into a gas chamber as long as they had poppers in hand and were led by porn stars. That’s what it has come down to.

R71 what you are describing is called capitalism, plus conspicuous consumption/social climbing.

if the media doesn't make you dissatisfied with yourself, you won't buy their bullshit. so they have to seek out the unattainable to make the rest feel unworthy.

Is Davey Wavey even a thing any more?

R73 I‘m afraid to look and so I won’t. Last I saw about him was here, threads about (of course) the social-justice-themed porn studio he started. He is absolute bullshit and the phenomenon that is Davey Wavey had a surprisingly great influence on my disconnecting myself from identifying with gay culture overall. All the gay guys here blame the trans movement, but for me being gay always has been about accepting us for who we are, and creepers like Davey Wavey rose to the top of the gay community by telling us to accept ourselves only after waxing our eyebrows, getting Botox, getting pec implants, starving ourselves, denying aging and hanging out with barely legal porn stars. I find it truly grotesque, worthy of a twisted horror movie, and yet the gay community holds this up as more important than anything else valueswise. Again, Aaron Schock is the fully realized outcome of this sense of values: worship for looks, even as the idol you are worshipping is backing you into the oven.

I just have a hard time imagining Davey Wavey as a sexual creature.

I just imagine him getting fucked and being unable to tear his gaze away from the mirror where he's admiring his own reflection.

I don't think it's a new phenomenon, though. There was a big patch in the mid-/late-90s where there was the same issue.

Davey Wavey is such an extreme stereotype

OP --Add I'm sick of the hold that non-binary and transgenders have over this community. So, I guess it all evens out.

I dislike drag queen culture

I relate to Davey Wavey no more than I relate to any transgender person—yet Davey Wavey is embraced by what is supposed to be my community as representative of us.

He’s a 35 year-old exhibitionist narcissist with muscle implants who cavorts with teen sex workers. And the editors of gay media look up to him as he gets richer and richer. And he is one of the prototypes for all the Instahos the DL worships. This really is all most gay men value, seems to be what most gay men want to be. I want to be something else. I don’t fit in with straight people because I am gay and I don’t fit in with gay people because I don’t look like a teen porn star or a 300-pound bodybuilder and I don’t want to.

I haven't thought about him in so long, I HONESTLY thought he had gone away.

But no, I looked on SocialBlade and he has over a million subscribers and seems to be continuing to rise.

Weep for the future.

R78 I’ll say this about drag culture (or at least Drag Race, which is all I know of it): at least people of all shapes and sizes and all types of features and creative interests are accepted by it. People can deny it as much as they want, but at least in DC the message is mercilessly clear: if you don’t look like a model or porn star, cut your hair the right way, work out at Vida Fitness or Barry’s bootcamp, use put-upon gay lingo, make a shitload of money, and otherwise conform and overcompensate, you have no place in gay culture. Period. Not welcome. I am 41 and I have 20 years of experience with this under my belt.

Drag Race, for better or worse, is my last vestige of connection to any gay community. Contestants are funny looking, most of them don’t look like porn stars, they have different hairstyles, different interests and personalities. I have to go to a TV reality show to find that. In DC, to be gay is to be a Stepford sex robot with money.

I'm with you, OP. Seems like the majority of commenters don't get the main concept. If somebody regularly goes to the gym and wants his/her body to look fit, great and sexy - it's ok.This tiny percentage of narcissism is normal. When it comes down to typical stipid behaviour - constant mirror pics of your body and its parts, talking about calories, special diets and your routine - it's unhealthy!!! Their life focus is shifted. One parallel - women who use lip injections to boost their sexuality or self-confidence or women who have monkey's ass on their faces. Do you see the difference?

[quote] I dislike drag queen culture

Then burn a bra for Wilson Gavin.

Who?

Get over your obvious jealousy OP. GO hit the gym instead. They won't fuck you until you do so. Why you think so many queens run to steroids? haha.

Why is bothering you all if someone is a narcissistic asshole with jelly for brains. Just ignore them. haha.

Exactly

Speaking as an attractive 39 year old man, I won’t acknowledge a guy who doesn’t go to the gym 5 days a week. If you don’t have a gym bod, and you’re under 50, then you don’t exist.

Whenever I get tangled up in the bullshit of body, I just ask myself, what would Bob Bergeron do?

And R88, you have a lot of work to do because time, elasticity and gravity... they are going to fuck you up.

You upset people are really just mad at yourselves for being lazy. Stop misdirecting your anger and frustrations and deal with your shit. R89 Gravity fucks everybody in the end. That is the dumbest argument. haha.

haha.

Yeah.

I know a dude in his 80s who is ripped and buff. Work harder bro

OP is against physical exercise.

R81 finds solace from "put-upon gay lingo" on RuPaul's DRAG RACE?

Hunty, please! You must have Sashayed Away when they were Serving No T, No Shade realness.

MMMMM Hmmm ...

I smell some "why won't they fuck me?" in OP, which suggests none of the answers here are what he would like.

Agreed, though, on some points. When everyone has a top gym body, everybody becomes less interesting. For me it's the people who don't overdo it or who don't spend a large chunk of their day grooming and lifting and preening. The guy with the naturally lean body catches my eye, or one who has some good quality that he seems not to realize,or the guy whose five overweight pounds are just slightly noticeable on close inspection because he doesn't care about turning every ounce into muscle.

Whatever you look like, whatever some other guy looks like, each person has their own parameters, broad or narrow. The good thing about self-sorting is that it's easy when you realize it's always at play and give into it a bit and allow for some surprises now and then.

It's times like these we all have to take a moment to remember that it's what's INSIDE that counts.

What good is a buff jock bod if the guy is into drag queen culture and acts like a girl? I’d rather have a skinny guy who acts like a regular masculine bro than a buff guy who acts like a girl.

[quote]yet Davey Wavey is embraced by what is supposed to be my community as representative of us

So you are a horny teenage girl? Davey's main fandom are women.

Davey is not overall embraced by gay men. He has talked about all the hate he gets from gay men

[quote] He has talked about all the hate he gets from gay men

Good.

I'd much rather be friends or "friends" with a guy who works out and takes care of himself than someone who makes assumptions and generalizations about other people and who whines about them.

Get ye to a gym, OP.

R97 Me too. R101 Agreed.

Excellent trolling OP

Suggest you find your own life and world OP and leave others to themselves. You'll be much happier.

I’m not

R30: Can’t you just see it? The Hold Jocks and the slithery Gym Rats, sloshing around with the bilge in the hold, doing their jumping jacks and crunches?

I prefer skinny guys like this.

I don’t

I don’t

R107 Fems are, at best, a niche product

Most skinny dudes are not fem

What community?

Yawn.

Has someone “Oh, deared” the OP for jock’s yet?

Out of shape, envious, and failed 4th grade English ...

R110 Not really fem, just a pretty skinny twink.

There are so few men available to date compared to straights. Few of us have enough conventional beauty to capture the attention of a boyfriend. The average guy is just normal looking. We can't really control our faces, but we can control our body from the neck down. If you workout and look great with my shirt off then I may be able to increase my chances of snagging a man.

I think besides the A and B-list gays that are never without options, many of us are terrified of growing old alone. We go through extreme measures to keep pace in this race against time and hotter men.

Mad props to R74. Very well-written.

If your just average , which there is nothing wrong with that, you just also have to be rich ( $150,000/ yr or up) to be happy. So get a plan together or get in the gym.

And if your grammar is just average (as in "If your just average" R118), definitely come up with a plan.

And thanks to COVID 19, the sacred temples of the gym rats are closed indefinitely. And sorry to inform you, it'll be much longer than 30 days. For those who didn't Invest in sufficient home equipment to perpetuate their addiction, the diehards will never maintain the bulk and ripped muscle that only professional gym equipment can provide. For even the most disciplined, the new norm of social distancing, loneliness, and depression will increase the temptation to stress eat, and bestow the jocks and gym rats with a wake-up call that's long overdue. It's called "hot bodies and empty cities." Can't beat that combination! Jelly rolls anyone?

In your dreams fattie ^

We're going to make fit-fat happen, R120. Prepare yourself for extreme overhead shots with our phones to maximize our eyes and minimize our impending corpulence.

This gym rat had emergency equipment, TRX bands (you fatties probably don’t know what those are), weights and more. My gym has online workouts, which helps as well. Not losing those gains!

When the supermarkets close and the National Guard will have to deliver Meals on Wheels to your doorstep, be sure to tell them you want extra protein. Or blow them for an extra chicken breast. Good luck with your TRX bands.

I think a lot of gay men try to recreate, in themselves and in their partners, a fantasy imagine of what a man is or their interpretation of what masculinity is.

I also think that many of us (I can't speak for the younger generation) grow up alone and isolated in our lives and suffer for some time in silence. It does damage to our relationships with men in particular, because they are objects of lust and fear.

These bodies, in some people and in some ways, represent the need to be 'manly' to be strongn to be able to defend oneself, to feel attractive when the men around you growing up didn't look at you twice.

Seriously, this world has fucked a lot of us up. And rather than believing us, a lot of people will just minimise and dismiss our reality.

Beautiful people always have a leg up - just accept it and move on as this is something you cannot change.

R126 No, but COVID-19 and the devastating effects it's bound to foist upon our economy, personal lives, and physical and mental health, will likely get that "leg up" and snap it right off, when people have nowhere to go, no gym to indulge in, and non-essential businesses such as hair salons and beauty-related stores, shut indefinitely. Add to that the encroaching layoffs, budget cuts, and likely recession if not depression coming down the pike. Beauty may be in the eye of the beholder, but the optometrists and the opticians are closed. Even the Rentmen are feeling the blow (no pun intended). If these restrictions continue, the concept of beauty may be reinvented, along with movie theatres, department stores, open buffets, Broadway, dance clubs, etc.

It will be a wake-up call to the narcissistic and the vain who, perhaps, now will have to put their energies in more productive arenas. Instead of three hours at the gym 6 days a week, they may find themselves having to work three jobs 5 days a week. Just watch and wait.

Beauty is a temporary parking place, kiddos. Just look at anybodyin a nursing home. Many of them, believe it or not, were knockouts in their time. It'll be you one day. if you live that long.

🙄^

Men will not change

But you keep telling yourself that

[quote] If your just average ,

Oh, [italic]dear.[/italic]

R128 Men will have to change, pumkin, when the world around them is changing. In just two fucking weeks, the world changed. Unless you're Helen Keller, pull your head out of your ass and look around.

r128, this idea "men will not change" is ridiculous. EVERYONE'S behavior changed after the AIDS crisis, and everyone's behavior is changing again because of the cororonavirus crisis.

We will see, unfuckable ones at r130 / r131

Bookmark this thread and let’s check back in a year

OP, the snobbery of the gym queen crowd used to really bother me until my early 30s, and then I did some growing up finally, as most gay men eventually do.

"Mean girl" types can only bother you if you care what they say. Once you no longer care what they think of you, or want to go to their watering spots, you'll be free.

The trick, though, is that you cannot say you're doing this but then secretly expecting they'll fuck you. They will only ever want to fuck one another willingly. You really have to leave them entirely alone, unless you can make enough money to hire them occasionally as escorts. But you need to look elsewhere for genuine love.

Wise words r133

Or you just get a gym membership, actually use it, and watch what you eat.

Voila, you’ll be able fuck the gym crowd without paying for it, and you will, physically and emotionally , feel better about yourself.

It’s not rocket science. Anybody can be the best they can be. All it takes is willpower.

I don't get this shortage of tops, or handsome guys, etc. what I think is that many have unrealistic standards of what they think they deserve and look for. I've never had a problem getting laid, I'm a total bottom, masculine an common guy. I do think many posters here want porn models as partners and feel entitled to them, I don't understand why would you want to fuck these type of guys. They look artificial and beyond damaged.

I don't get the top shortage either. I think people that claim there is a shortage of tops are what R135 is talking about--people with unrealistic expectations--or they aren't "built" like someone a guy would feel dominant with.

All pumped up and then the purses come tumbling out of their mouths. And then the venom. Puke. Give me straight guys any day.

Very interesting thread. And Very interesting Aaron Schock and Dr. Jake were used as examples of the worst aspects of the gay community.

I am genuinely happy to see that there is not a single active thread dedicated to some shirtless Instagram slut, some porn star, some homeless chaturbate star/drug addict. Usually there are many. Maybe it takes a plague to get gay men thinking about anything other than the next naked gymbuilt body.

I can tell the difference between gym queen and brought up playing sports. Abs aren't quite as chiseled, but the body moves so much more naturally. The physique benefits from being built up while the body was developing with a specific purpose.

I'm not putting you girls down. I take the bunnies out for a spin now and again. It's just not the same as being a real man.

I like bears and guys who are rocking some chunk, so they have no hold over me.

I see a lot of backlash against 'muscle gays' lately, and it really puzzles me. Sure, you do get some guys who are muscular and have a shitty attitude thinking they are better than everyone, but not everyone who is a gym regular is like that.

Call people out for having a shitty attitude, but it's not fair to call someone out for having a hobby they enjoy that gives them a hot body. It takes a lot of work to maintain a muscular physique and muscle-bashing just makes you look bitter and envious.

If you don't like the look and you don't want to be muscular yourself, you don't have to be - but you don't need to denigrate those who do. I'm not some muscle god but I'm relatively muscular and it's not all I am.

The bitterness is strong is strong in r139 and r140

Not bitterness, obi wan. It is arrogance you sense.

I don’t know what everyone’s problem is, being fit and active enriches your life. Recently, while visiting London, part of the fun was visiting gyms. Rebel1 was definitely my favorite.

"Gym rats", sure, maybe. "Jocks" definitely not. At least not in Atlanta.

The ones I know couldn't kick a ball.

I had no idea guys who work out were made to feel bad about how they look.

R147 they’re not. Guys who work out have many advantages over those who do not.

Certain posters on this thread are hilarious and sad.

No no... UKGuy really speaks volumes.

R119 You type like you have soft features and male pattern baldness. I can right water flow equations to solve dam pressure. Fuck your moronic grammar posts and effeminate sensibilities.

write …. b4 R119 gets back from his Barbie Doll collection room and observes the misuse. lol

I think I’ve been working out more while sheltering in place, good thing I have emergency workout equipment. Zoom workouts with my gym also helping.

Most of us are with you, OP. But it's not just the gay community, and the phenomena has been around since the advent of mass production and mass markets..our society sells youth and beauty. Most of us, as we mature, realize that there are more important qualities to seek out in a man...intelligence, kindness, caring, a sense of humor, and curiosity. Don't get me wrong...I'm in the gym (Or was until 'Rona came to town, but I'll be back there when that skanky 'ho leaves) to stay fit, stay healthy, and look good. And I still get hard looking at an athletic, young guy with a bodaciously beautiful bubble butt and a boilerplate basket. But I'm still more interested in the pillow talk afterwards.

Take this advice, OP...ignore most social media!

You called, r142?

OP They’re just not that into you.

I've always preferred nerds, being one myself, so the men pictured at [R3] have never interested me. Beyond their looks, which I find unremarkable, they always seem to be doing things I find unappealing. I hate the beach, I hate swimming pools and I hate sunbathing; I would never wear a sleeveless shirt or go bare-chested in public and would feel like an idiot if I did. So why would I spend time with them regardless of what they looked like?

Give me a cute dork with a Met membership any day.

R139 dammit I knew there was something missing lately! I'll get onto that right away

[R156] I think the appeal of men who spend time working out and going outdoors is that they’re actually living life. I find more inspiration for my art in nature than in museums. Love museums, go often, but it’s better to be adventurous.

You;re only living life if you're out in nature? That seems like a false equivalency to me.

And the sort of people this thread is about don't strike me as enjoying nature per se. They;re out at the beach not because they love marine biology. They're at the beach so they can take their shirts off. Tell them about kelp forests and seal colonies and coral reefs and their eyes would glaze over.

With gyms closed now for potentially months into the future, and likely to reopen in a very different, masked, more clothed and protective manner, it's inevitable that a lot of abs will be turning to flabs and looks to crooks.

I am personally thrilled. In fact, this is long overdue. It is a reminder to the many, many superficial, narcissistic, and oversexed straight and gay statues with a pulse that it isn't all about you and it isn't all about looking good.

It's about being good. Adversity and death. The equalizer.

Fat unfuckable ninny ^

I think I'm the only one on her who prefer twinks. I like Froy and others like him.

R160 gyms being closed hasnt affected my fitness - I've been digging a 25 foot trench and smashing up a whole lot of concrete. And cycling a lot. I may come out of lockdown even fitter hopefully. I do miss the gym showers though I'd admit

R162 I far prefer twinks too, Froy is beautiful. And I like them even more if they're fem

My type

All gays are jocks. I thought jocks hated gays fir not being manly and tough aka jocks

R165 All gays are jocks? I dont think so

JFC OP you're a sour old twat

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Don't be jealous OP

In many gay men's experiences, a fabulous body does not always equate to fabulous sex. Often the opposite; they're so used to being adored that they've never had to do "any of the work." We called them 'Stargazers.' It wasn't a compliment.

If you're purely visual, i guess the body is the key to getting off.

Beyond the visual, a lot of us are looking for something more to turn our cranks.

[quote] "I'm so sick of the hold jock's and gym rats have over this community"

What was the logic behind adding the apostrophe +s to "jock", but not "rat"? It seems to arbitrary.

[quote] "It seems to arbitrary."

*SO arbitrary

I’m tired of fat people

I love it!

Then ignore it OP. I’m 69 years old and gay men have been gym rats for as long as I can remember. It’s really not a problem for you.

I'm talking heresy here on the datalounge but I'm not attracted to Muscular guys ( or Bear types either).

I'm only attracted to slim guys with natural bodies- no tattoos, nop piercings, no rings, no shaved pubic hair.

For me a flat stomach is HOT a chiseled stomach is NOT.

Pictured - the average datalounger reading this thread

OP, what exactly if anything is being demanded of you because of this alleged "hold over the community"? Why not just focus on what you enjoy and stop obsessing over what you believe others enjoy?

You sound a bit nutty.

R178- What planet is that creature from?

I lift weights and am a masculine top. But I have my own gym at home. I'm not interested in those jock wannabe gym rats anyway. Pretentious ladies all. Too quick to bend over and beg for my dick. I like a soft sweet unassuming guy in my bed who cooks me breakfast.

It is what it is.

There is a relatively new man at my gym at the time I go. He looks like a porn star and wears tight clothes over a great body. It is interesting to see who tries to speak to him. I don't because though I can see he is attractive he is not my type really. Maybe he is out of my league. But it is nice to look at him. Discreetly of course.

[quote]I lift weights and am a masculine top.

Hey Jan, you want that last helping of sure?

Lol 😂

[Their faces aren't that special most times (I assume this is why theg body build to begin with]

I love the way the OP reads.

I sympathise but maybe you haven’t met someone because you sit in judgment. People can suss this out quickly. Lord knows, gay men don’t want someone making them further insecure. In my twenties I had a dancers body, toned and lean. I can’t tell you how many times a friend or a man I liked said you’d look really hot if you lifted. Find your tribe mate

Everyone is so unsmiling and unfriendly at my gym because they are self-absorbed. It's the rare person who nods hello to you because they see you regularly and not because they have a yen for you. The only person who has ever spoken to me is a trainer because I assume he thought i could be a new customer for him. One time this man offered me his hand and said he had not seen me at the gym before. I almost had a heart attack from shock.

R180 it's a meme called gigachad

The Max Emerson body type is timeless

R189- The guy on the right has a nice bod.

r184 I just am. No bragging. Everyone's talking about their great body on this thread. They all look great!!! Why not me?🤣

Or is it the masculine which bothers you?

I like effeminate guys, that's my point. Bulging muscles do nothing for me.

What exactly is this "hold jocks and gym rats have over this community"?

The aesthetic and frequently the priorities of gay jocks and gym rats doesn't do much for me personally, but I've never come up against some cabal that's prevented me from going someplace I wanted to go, doing something I wanted to do, fucking the people I want to fuck, reading the books I want to read, doing or thinking anything at all.

I have my own taste for men of lean and wiry body type and some combination of various physical characteristics. Sometimes I'll admire in passing a thicker, more muscled man and think, "not my type but a handsome man.". There's plenty of what I like to go around, and no reason to feel shortchanged by gym rats who like be with their own sort; they don't owe me a fuck no.mote than anyone else. And what they like and what they do has zero impact on my life. I do alright and don't feel ostracized or belittled or erased or invisible or held back because I'm not a gym rat or don't figure in their circles.

I don't see OP's point at all.

R192 You don't see his point because you don't want to. If you don't think superficiality and vanity are the dominant traits of our community, you are either incapable of objectivity or simply being argumentative. He didn't say it kept him from living his life.

Ffs, R193. Of course superficiality and vanity are too important among gays, but that also applies to gays of all stripes, whether gym rats or college professors or gay nerds. Pick your friends, pick the people you associate with.

How a gym rat looks or works out or dresses or behaves shouldn't stop anyone from how they live and dress and behave. If it does, it's on the person too weak to offer the least resistance or simply indifference to a popular trend or look.

Ugly men——life’s unfair and I blame those not ugly because they never want to fuck me

Fat men—-life’s unfair and I blame those not fat because they never want to fuck me

Unfit men with bad teeth and breath——life’s unfair and I blame those fit men, with good teeth and breath because they never want to fuck me.

Those that don’t even think about fucking me—the handsome, fit, the popular , -are all bad people, they all have issues they are not nice and they are the problem.

OP have yo also started a thread about the PnP disease spreaders in the community or are they less a problem to the community than people who spend their time working out in the gym and ignoring you?

So according to this thread, everyone on the DL:

1. works out a lot and has a great body

2. doesn't find worked out bodies attractive

3. is nice and kind at the gym

4. hates everyone with worked out bodies and finds those bodies attractive

Got it.

Why in the world would you want to be around guys like that anyway? Trashy. Being too into fitness is low class. One should have better things to do with one's time than hang around a gym.

R198- To me men who are MACHO tend to be LOW CLASS.

[quote]Being too into fitness is low class.

Thank you, Violet Crawley.

Jesus fucking christ, act like adults and stop giving a fuck about what other people are doing or how others live their lives.

Stop wasting precious time on worrying about others. They sure the fuck aren't thinking about YOU as they live their life.

That's basically what i tell anyone who is scared of starting a gym routine for fear they'll be judged by the gym regulars.

They don't notice you. They're completely into their own thing. You be into yours. It's fine.

R202

There was noting in the OPs sad rant about them going to any fucking gym to start an exercise program.

Their point was that all these gym rats are mentally ill, they all ignore him, they all want to fuck someone like themselves and not like the OP.

And the OP despairs at the hold these well built strong looking men have over an entire community of gay men. It’s a truly sad world the OP lives in.

I’m envious of people who are willing to put in the effort to look good. Can’t hate them though.

As long as they are wearing jockstraps at the gym, I’m good.

OP, you'd be surprised how many "jocks and gym rats" you could land if you are a top.

Told this before here but there was a guy in my town who's online profile always cracked me up. It went something like: "I've always been a big guy, but I wear it well. I've been attracted to guys with muscle my whole life. I'd treat them so well, if given the chance. Surely there's a fit, muscular guy out there who isn't shallow who would like me for what's inside."

R200 That's The Dowager Countess of Grantham, to you.

The one with the chip on his shoulder is the op. Really- why do gym rats upset you so much? Who cares? I think people who work out and stay active in sports etc are in the right track: good health. Yes some abuse steroids but the vast majority do not.

Maybe the OP wants someone out of his league- a masculine muscular guy or Mascular and he’s invisible 🫥 to them but refuses to make himself more attractive to them by losing weight and or working out 🏋️‍♀️.

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R210

Maybe? Reread the OP.

This is all about the OPs loss, those that have nothing to do with him, and how insane with bad personalities they must be to ignore him like they do.

The angriest people in the world are middling white men who wake up one day and realize that the world doesn't cater to their every whim.

They feel oppressed because - though they've barely lifted a finger in life - they haven't gotten everything they think is due to them.

You'd think the gay ones would at least know you have to work for shit.

Lol, sorry OP, I understand how superficial the gays (and men generally) are. But if I'm being brutally honest here, as someone that has muscles and (told at least) a handsome mug with a decent personality (though I'll acknowledge that personality has been one particular impediment I've had with longer term relationships with guys who look like me physically... but that's another story): this sounds like a big cope. Be honest with yourself and to whom you're generally attracted. If it's the guys you describe, then you'll need to work on obtaining at least a somewhat similar physique and embodying similar interests. Because, generally speaking, like attracts like.

I really don't think you truly believe all dudes with gym bodies have fugly faces with bad personalities.

r198, because 45 min to an hour 3-4x a week to improve both your looks and health is too much for you, doesn't make it excessive as a general matter. Sorry, but you type like you're out of shape and probably feminine. Which is fine, but don't guilt others for not being like you.

And what a bizarre comment to suggest that "working out" is considered "low class" (ironic because it's more expensive to stay on top of fitness/health). Last I checked, poor people generally don't like fitness gods. Probably because they uh lack the time and/or money.

Staying in shape is one thing. Absolutely a good idea. But being a roided out mess who only thinks about fitness and nutritional supplements or a "gym rat' is low class. It just is. I'm sorry that angers you.

R215 Maybe reread the original post. OP is not talking about guys who stay in shape. He specifically says:

I'm not against physical exercise, rigorous or otherwise. If shaping your physique and having a 6 pack is what you want, cool. But it seems that the majority of these guys have some neurosis, or a very big chip on their shoulder which they overcompensate with through their physique.

They have NO personalities. Their lives are centred around going to the gym. Their faces aren't that special most times (I assume this is why theg body build to begin with). The don't sleep with guys unless they look like them. It's ridiculous.

It's a narcissistic and hedonistic way of life, and I'm sick of it.

Perhaps you need to lay off the roid yourself as reading comprehension seems to stymie you.

R217, perhaps the fat is clogging your brain arteries? I was responding specifically to R198, not OP, in that post.

Enjoy staying bitter, though!

"Staying in shape is one thing. Absolutely a good idea. But being a roided out mess who only thinks about fitness and nutritional supplements or a "gym rat' is low class. It just is. I'm sorry that angers you."

I'm sorry that you're not only fat but also too mentally challenged to understand that OP didn't make this distinction. Rather, he generalized basically the majority of gay men that workout -- i.e., "But it seems that the majority of these guys...". You can be a "jock" or a "gym rat" without being a "gym rat who only thinks about fitness and nutritional supplements."

Cope harder, fatty.

^ meant to say, You can be a "jock" or a "gym rat" without being a "roided out mess who only thinks about fitness and nutritional supplements."

You sound secure, R219.

And angry.

You people always talk in relation to fitness using these extreme dichotomies because it's an easy cope. It's really that simple. Kind of like the other hilarious one - "fit guys are bad in bed." Hahahahahahhahahaha. As someone that gets plenty of action almost any time I want (and that has stamina to last because of, uh, my general fitness), that is absolutely false. Sure, there are lazy, entitled types that just lay there - but 9 times out of 10, the fit guy is better in bed because of (usually) more sexual experience and because his body has more stamina/strength (and sometimes flexibility).

^ that's also why many female escorts actually DON'T enjoy having fitter/athletic dudes as clients. Longer and greater wear and tear on the body.

R221, certainly more secure than the fatty at r216/r217 who attacked (and mischaracterized) my post.

Secure people don't call names like a 9-year old, R225. I don't care what you look like. You're a shit inside.

“centred”

R226, as opposed to the other bitter posters that call fitness/gym guys "lower class" or "roided out messes"? Or how about all the other ridiculous stereotypes being perpetuated on here about them? If those aren't blatant examples of extreme insecurity, I don't know what are.

I think we were all better off when there were no commercial gyms. I’m not attracted to those kinds of bodies, anyway, but the focus on the body to the point of narcissism is pretty sick.

We're talking about you, R228. Now go curl something.

r230 The only thing he's gonna curl is his hair. 🤣

Of course this thread turned into what it is, but I understand what OP was saying. I’ve never been attracted to that kind of body and was astounded when I moved to NYC how dominant it was in the gay community. People would go on and on about how hot a guy was, when I wouldn’t even find him slightly attractive. For some, the body triumphs above all else, but my brain doesn’t work that way (the same way my brain basically ignores a woman’s breasts). To each their own.

I wish that part of my brain worked like yours, R232 — I really do.

Most of the rock stars and actors who are considered hot don’t have those stupid-looking gym bodies.

But they’re all in shape, R234 — and definitely not fat.

(Notable exceptions: Adele when she started out, and Lizzo)

R235 But being “in shape”is not what we’re talking about, right? We’re talking about gyn bodies.

Gyms are a racket. Of course, nobody wants to hear that. Going to a gym and walking in place on a treadmill makes so much more sense than going for a hike.

*Gym. Gin bodies are a whole other thing.

Nothing like waking up to a broad, sweeping generalization.

Where would be without broad, sweeping generalizations?

[quote]As someone [bold]that[/bold] gets plenty of action almost any time I want (and that has stamina to last because of, uh, my general fitness),

R217, and so what. Creeps come in many varieties. It’s silly to generalize to all. I don’t go for ‘roided out middle aged and older men of my generation. But that hardly stops me from mixing with fit, healthy, nice guys. The OP seems to want everyone fit his model. To each his own, live and let live- there’s plenty to go ‘round. Bunch of cliches that are all true!

R236 for cardio, I agree gyms are a racket. For weightlifting (what I do), I can't think of a better place than the gym, with its range of free weights and isolating machines.

Gyms can be a very social place. Sure beats bars and back alleys.

I'll say.

I love good bodies, not necessarily overly fit ones. But as I've posted, more power to anyone who has the time and energy to devote themselves to fitness. I hope that they take self-defense classes too - buff guys are picked on by less secure people.

I'll never get over the Horny Grandmas on the DL acting like human bodies are a consumer product for you to like or dislike and all varieties are at your disposal at all times.

These bitches think life is one big sale.

There's definitely a fine line between a guy who goes to the gym regularly and looks toned compared to a guy who practically lives in the gym and looks over muscled.

I have no issue with them because it's obviously up to each person what they do in their spare time, but I wouldn't date the latter, even if they were hypothetically interested in me. It's because it dominates every aspect of their life from every meal they eat to the amount of time they spend exercising.

A lot of it comes from men wanting to fuck guys they desire. It feels like the gay community is separated into tiers and it's quite rare for guys to want to fuck those that are in the same tier as them or lower. So if they're in Tier C, other Tier C and Tier B guys ignore them - hence the need to improve themselves to register on those guys' radars. Not to sound big headed, but I'm a decent looking guy, plus keep myself fit, but I've been rejected by those who are in a similar category as me because they want guys above them. I don't get angry or offended (it's up to each guy who he finds attractive).

OP is a sad, nellie fattie who is, at best, a 3 in dim lighting.......jealous of the eights, nines and tens.

R247 I completely agree. I like a well-built man, but I don't want someone with a six-pack because there's no fun to be had with someone counting their calorie intake.

…and I’m not going to waste time or energy “disapproving” of gym jocks- gay or straight.

[quote]I don't want someone with a six-pack

Good news! They don't want you either!