It's time we re-glamorise cigarettes!

I was 50 pounds lighter when I smoked. Smoking really is slimming.

Anyone who pollutes this earth and has no respect for their body is VERMIN

r2 sounds like she needs a cigarette.

The family that smokes together....

I just don't care for the smell

Bringing debutante realness.....

An Israeli study was able to demonstrate that smoking is a psychological habit and that nicotine does not fit the requirements to be considered an addictive substance.

Interestingly enough I purchased some legal cannabis at the store yesterday and the warning on the package said that 1 out of 11 people who smoke cannabis become addicted. Seems like there's some discrepancy there.

I'm thinking Violetta would be a more appropriate role for a smoker....

When cell phones were a newer thing, I always thought people used to pose with them in a similar way.

Nicotine is the most addictive drug there is, worse than heroin.

You gotta have a gimmick....

Smoked to the end.

It is not, r10. One and only one highly manipulated study was used to show that. Use some common sense.

Prohibitionist attitudes breed shame and guilt and fuel "addiction". That's exactly why you see lower rates of drug addictions in countries that do not criminalize drugs.

This thread is a fucking drag.

Remember when Matt the Loon was spamming the board with his rabid anti-smoking insanity? What ever happened to that deeply disturbed troll anyway?

r13 you're full of shit. Nicotine is a highly addictive substance. Are you also the poster who claims alcohol is not addictive either?

It adds mystery....

Smoke rings add to the glamour...

Of course they can cause heartbreak....

The last time cigarettes were even marginally acceptable socially, we did not have the wonderful 'Stand Your Ground' defense pioneered for us by the NRA.

Second hand smoke is dangerous and, therefore, places us in danger if someone around us is smoking. Thanks to the NRA, we can now use a gun to defend ourselves against smokers and 'Stand Your Ground' will be there to protect us against criminal charges.

I don't usually care much for the NRA, but in this case, I thank them. Re-glamorise (sic) cigarettes, OP? Go ahead. Make my day.

My grandmother smoked one pack per day until she got emphysema. It ruined the last fifteen years of her life.

NO! Cigarettes age you horribly. Turned Princess Margaret into Hyacinth Bucket!

I have never known or even heard of anyone who died from exposure from secondhand smoke. It secondhand smoke were so deadly half the people from my grandparents' generation would've died from it.

R16 What is full of shit about me?

I never said nicotine does not have the potential to be addictive, but it certainly isn't comparable to heroin. Alcohol also isn't addictive, per se, although it can be.

Nicotine dependency is overstated. When one becomes habituated to something, like smoking, it can be extremely hard to break.

It's funny because I've spoken to smokers in the medical community and many are back and forth smokers, seeming to quit and start up again when they like. They have a passive view on tobacco and emphasise the importance of willpower. I really believe being that educated on ALL sides of the topic of tobacco use rather than solely receiving your information through exaggerated propaganda really helps.

r24 cigarettes are addictive. Some people can be social smokers, like some people can be social drinkers but others turn into alcoholics.

R23 Well, that's because non-chronic exposure is absolutely harmless and even the risks associated with of semi-chronic exposure is debatable. You'd have to live in a closet sized apartment with a smoker to see any affect.

Second hand smoke was a scare tactic used to pass sweeping indoor smoking bans. We knew about it in the 80s but it was tactically pushed in the early 2000s once smokers had been significantly diminished and marginalized enough. It's junk science.

It's just so trashy - only the lower classes smoke.

Smoking is fun!

R27 Your classism is trashy.

The rich trust fund assholes I know are big smokers.

R30 Smoking is still widespread among the upper crust. I suppose they figure their quality of life and access to top medical care mitigates the risks. Maybe they're right.

I love the way certain gents would be photographed with their pipes. It was always a certain type of man.

And why did secondhand pipe smoke smell so nice and ciggy smoke so nasty? Cigars can also smell nice. The fancy ones.

Unless they have a cure for COPD R30 doubtful money would give them any quality of life.

my mother had COPD and lung cancer, at the same time. She was a heavy smoker, she quit too late and her last years were endless suffering and she died in pain with a look of terror frozen on her face. Not glamorous.

Oops, meant R31

My great-grandmother smoked unfiltered Pall Mall and lived to be 91 .My grandfather, also an unfiltered Pall Mall smoker, lived to be 84. It's a fucking crapshoot.

R34 They are more likely to have access to good doctors who ensure frequent medical screening. Survival rates for lung cancer are higher among those diagnosed early. The added shame that society puts on smokers means many DON'T want to go to the doctor for these kinds of check ups. So many factors invokved.

Beyond that though, the ability to live beyond comfortably and deal with little to no stress in their daily lives means less significant deterioration of the body.

R23, I do.

My grandfather used to smoke cigs all evening in a little farmhouse for decades. Seven years ago grandma (tee-totaler and never smoked) got lung cancer. Stage 4 by time it was found, and died within months.

That's so bizarre, r39. Sorry to hear about that. I suppose she was an anomaly. Only 1/10 smokers get lung cancer themselves, according to the statistics I've read.

They say that heavy smoking takes 15 years off your life through smoking-related diseases. Even if you manage to live to 80+, your health is seriously compromised for at least the last 10 of them.

A significant number of nonsmoking Japanese wives married to heavy smokers die of lung cancer from second-hand smoke. A friend's non-smoking mother worked in an office for 20 years where everyone smoked, and she died of lung cancer.

Cats who live in smoking households have twice the rate of lymphoma as those who live in smoke-free houses.

Now they are saying that third-hand smoke - the residue on carpets, curtains and furniture - is a risk to children.

And as to your looks - where I live now, Italy, it is pretty obvious. The young people are beautiful; slim, clear olive skin, lustrous dark hair, really lovely to look at. But boy, do they hit the wall hard at 40. And they are mighty smokers.

Thanks, R40. She got adenocarcinoma. Per link, it’s the most common one in non-smokers and usually already advanced at detection.

Costs for health care will skyrocket more for everyone, including nonsmokers.

COPD is not lung cancer R38. More than likely a person is going to die from the other affects of cigarette smoking than lung cancer. COPD is not curable and it cannot be reversed. I can't imagine what it would feel like to be breathless or have labored breathing every day of the last few years of your life.

R41 Perhaps you're confusing correlation with causation. Heavy-smoking is usually symptomatic of some kind of neurosis, it's a compulsion caused by something like anxiety or OCD. We're already talking about a demographic of the population who is at a higher risk for poverty, mental illness and substance abuse, albeit I guess the demographics are different in Italy, but perhaps tobacco smoke is making them more susceptible to health problems which they already have a good chance of having. Long term stress they say, is like smoking a pack a day

When I was in Europe last summer visiting my grandmother's friends, all of whom are significantly younger than she by at the least 10 years (my grandmother is approaching her 90s) were smokers and all looked their age if not younger. All country women who've lived their whole lives in rural areas, all lived all have gardens which they eat from, things like this make a difference.

I'm an anomaly.

Smoked as a teen, quit at 21.

Started again at age 50. I've only got so many years left, so...

R44 You missed my point entirely.

We get it. You want us dead.

I'm an ex smoker R47. I quit five years ago and I have wondered if I will get COPD. I went to my doctor a few weeks ago and it didn't mention anything about COPD. He actaully said I was damn healthy, but I know after smoking for 42 years that it has damaged me and eventually the affects will catch up to me.

Many people get COPD and go on for years in okay health. I'm assuming many of these stories are fictitious and if not, then your family members continued to smoke after their diagnoses. Judging the tone some of you have your presences probably didn't ease their suffering.

Cigarettes???

HOW DARE YOU!

R48 You KNOW no such thing. Your response says it all.

Your doctor told you that you are in good health. Go live your life and stop being a hypochondriac.

Gays smoke at a rate much higher than most people. Gays are COOL. Smoking is a cool person's activity.

They really knew how to sell 'em. In terms of marketing, nothing today compares.

I think we should bring back pipe smoking. I used to enjoy watching pipe smokers do all their rituals like knocking the old tobacco out, carefully loading the pipe with fresh tobacco, tamping it down, using the wooden arch to get the new mix burning, and then having to re-light it every few minutes after it died out--it seemed like there was about 5 minutes of prep for every minute actually spent smoking, and the guys that did it seemed to be pretty harmless, and it never seemed to bite them in the ass like cigarettes do.

Some of it smelled good too

So true, r53. Looking at old cigarette commercials on Youtube, it's easy to see why smoking was so prevalent back then. Those commercials were so slickly produced and made smoking look so appealing. It's no wonder they were banned from television.

Smokers attempting to justify smoking sounds just like an alcoholic justify their drinking. There never has been anything glamorous about smoking, it just smells bad and shortens your life.

I would have had such a closer relationship with my parents if they hadn't been smokers, instead I couldn't wait to get away from the stink and them.

R56 Your parents should've left you on the church door step. And hopefully then you would've died from the cold.

I loved the way American cigarettes were packaged (1970s). The choice between hard pack and soft came a little later I think. But that was nice. & I liked the American cigarette machines. I think in my day they were generally 60 cents at the store and 75 from the machines.

Also in America you had the choice between regular or 100s....and a million other options.

I can't believe American cigs had all the horrible chemicals they have now, then.

I used to like Marlboro Light 100s. It was like eating Marshmallows. All my teenage American friends smoked them. I used to take them back to my boarding school in England and show them off. Smoking was so against the rules and the punishment was severe. But we all did it.

California was way more anti-smoking before the rest of The USA, I remember.

[QUOTE]I think we should bring back pipe smoking. I used to enjoy watching pipe smokers do all their rituals like knocking the old tobacco out, carefully loading the pipe with fresh tobacco, tamping it down, using the wooden arch to get the new mix burning, and then having to re-light it every few minutes after it died out

That's too much work.

Is there an app for that?

Go seek help for your anger R51. While you are at it seek help for your stupidity.

[quote]The choice between hard pack and soft came a little later I think.

I don't think soft packs even exist anymore.

R60 You're calling me stupid? You continue to worry about things you have no control over.

Black is tres chic OP

I've had several patients who were lifelong nonsmokers suffer from lung disease and die because they had long-term exposure to second-hand snake because they were married to/partnered to smokers. worked in casinos, etc.

The black lung thing is a myth, r63.

The smear campaign aimed against smokers is built on lies and exaggeration. In some ways it's comparable to the propaganda used against Jews by the Nazis in the 30s.

^What de fuck?

[quote]I think we should bring back pipe smoking. I used to enjoy watching pipe smokers do all their rituals like knocking the old tobacco out, carefully loading the pipe with fresh tobacco, tamping it down, using the wooden arch to get the new mix burning, and then having to re-light it every few minutes after it died out--it seemed like there was about 5 minutes of prep for every minute actually spent smoking, and the guys that did it seemed to be pretty harmless, and it never seemed to bite them in the ass like cigarettes do.

I've smoked a pipe off and on since I was about 30. It's pleasant but you definitely have to have time for it.

In the fall when the air is crisp it's nice to take a walk and smoke a pipe.

I haven't seen anyone smoke a pipe since about 1971 - and even then it was always old men.

Get a life R62. I'm not sitting here worrying. There is nothing wrong with being aware that there may be medical problems down the road because of my smoking for so many years. Just because I express an opinion here doesn't mean I am thinking or worrying about it in my life.

Why don't people take up smoking in their old age? Seriously, start smoking at 70 and something else will kill you first, so why not enjoy that kick of a Camel with your morning coffee?

BUMP

I watched Betty Davis movies today...no wonder she was so wrinkled by the end of her career.

It’s a shame all the best social lubrications, cigarettes and alcohol, are both dangerous and terrible for you.

[quote]I watched Betty Davis movies today...no wonder she was so wrinkled by the end of her career.

That was because she was so THIN.

An old gurl needs SOME fat.

I honestly think alcohol is way worse than cigarettes. Alcohol makes people violent, crazy, pass out, argumentative, lower inhibitions and make bad choices. I get sick of all the anti-smoking people screaming about THE SMELL!!!, telling smokers to go die and acting like one little whiff will kill them. It’s 2019, Dumbass! Smokers are exiled. Smokers basically exit the building in the back, walk through an alley, find a dumpster, huddle & kneel down to light up and blow the smoke up for the off chance someone should pass their way. Sorry but people are driving drunk all the time, I’ve even personally heard about Millennial Wine Moms who have a get together, loaded... they load up Braxyton & Mkuntleigh in the car and ride on home. So fuck off!!! So tired of Nicotine Teetotalers.

R75, the impact of alcohol has no bearing whatever on the unpleasantness and harm of smoking, both to smokers and those in their vicinity. Smoking should not be allowed anywhere that others have to share a common space, eg, doorways, terraces, outdoor restaurants or bars, beaches, any crowded place.

The cost to society of smoking is huge, in terms of loss of health, shortened lives, healthcare costs which are passed on to the public.

Having watched my Mom's long, slow decline after a lifetime of smoking cigarettes, I can't agree. She eventually stopped, but she said it was the hardest thing she ever did. And she spent the rest of her life hooked up to an oxygen concentrator. I'm not fanatical about smoking: I'm just glad I gave it up a long time ago.

Someone get this Cunt R76 out of here, before I put my cigarette out on her.

I’m sure you’re screaming all over alcohol threads about the ill effects of that addictive substance too...

Smokers are the dregs of society. They should be denied admission into hospitals when they are ill and just be forced to suffocate on the street outside.

“I was 50 pounds lighter when I smoked. Smoking really is slimming.” - Obese R79 (Literally)

No I don't R78.

R81 it’s called an ellipsis at there and of course you don’t chastise alcohol, I was being sarcastic

You'll never undue the catchy songs.

Spongebob could NEVER be as glamorous as this

R76 Smell is a SUBJECTIVE matter. You cannot police people based on your SUBJECTIVE feelings. I've met many nonsmokers and ex-smokers who like or are not in the slightest bothered by the smell; many are, c'est la vie.

I'm against smoking in non-recreational spaces, governmental institutions, school, etc (although I strongly advocate for designated smoking rooms!) but when it comes to PRIVATE establishments like bars, it's up for the market to decide. No one is asking you to enter a bar that permits smoking.

Bump

Smoke ‘em, if ya got ‘em

Stop with the "prohibitionist attitude" The reason is... YOU STINK LIKE A WHORE!

There I said it.

All the smokers I know have really bad breath, their clothes and hair smell like smoke (in spite of the cologne spritz) and they all have badly stained yellow teeth.

And yellow fingernails. Their hands smell.