Is Edith Piaf, France's Judy Garland?

Kind of, but Edith was actually a tremendous singer.

No, Edith was talented and not a drug addict.

R2 are you serious? She was a heroin junkie.

Edith Piaf was far more talented than Garland! Sorry Americans but you can't win this one. R1 not 'kind of', they are totally different.

R3 She wasn't a heroin addict. She became addict to the pills they were giving when her pain due to her disease was unbearable. Nothing to with a 'heroin junkie'. Why are you spreading lies ??

But did Edith ever have a LIZA?

OP, more like Garland was USA's Edith Piaf. But even in this way something doesn't sound right. Piaf was unique. Garland was fabulous but not that unique.

I'd say Edith was the Queen and Judy the princess

In the movie about her, she is portrayed as a heroin addict. Lies?

One was a Barbra, the other a Celine?

But, which was which?

why Americans always have the need to compare their artists to European artists? I don't get it. You can't compare Edith Piaf to anyone, anyways.

R8 witch movie ? La vie en Rose? She was suffering for years and her "doctors" were complaisant but she wasn't a junkie like you said

"The French, those connoisseurs of cabaret, christened Liza la petite Piaf americaine after her triumphant stand last year at Paris' Olympia music hall. "

Yes r11, I’m sure there was a scene in there with her lying on a bed shooting up.

[quote] OP, more like Garland was USA's Edith Piaf. But even in this way something doesn't sound right. Piaf was unique. Garland was fabulous but not that unique.

Either they both were unique or neither was unique. I would say that they both were uniquely talented.

Edith was a great artist, who unveiled a new song like a play. She gave more of herself to her audience and she lived to perform. Judy never fully shed the vaudeville shtick. Half of her act was an Al Jolson impersonation. Her TV show raised her level of sophistication, but she didn't stay that way.

Piaf was as common as dirt, but her scandals and heartbreaks and self destruction were accepted and embraced. She was loved by a country. Judy suffered more humiliations in show business and during her career.

Piaf is kind of timeless. If you're in the mood, she takes you there. Her voice is transcendent. Nobody puts on a Garland record. Very showbizzy and out of style singing.

well never heard of that christine Liza, but the whole knows Piaf, for sure

They were both legends. Why compare? Different unique talents.

R14 LOL please Edith was way more talented and unique.

[quote] Judy never fully shed the vaudeville shtick. Half of her act was an Al Jolson impersonation. Her TV show raised her level of sophistication, but she didn't stay that way.

Bullshit.

[quote] [R14] LOL please Edith was way more talented and unique.

Regardless of whom you prefer. They were both uniquely talented.

[quote]Nobody puts on a Garland record

New here are you dear?

R14 she's already was sick there. Very sick. At each fall of the curtain she fainted.

Why can’t I enjoy both of them OP? Fuck off!

[quote]Why can’t I enjoy both of them OP? Fuck off!

The OP never said you couldn't.

I wonder how they regarded each other? They did meet up (along with Faye Emerson, Sonja Henie, and Ginger Rogers).

Let's not compare, shall we?

I wonder if they went to a back room after that photo and exchanged copious amounts of pills 💊???

R19 Nope honey not both and you can try to pick a fight with everyone, that doesn't make it right. You'll never fond real music lovers agreeing with you except on DL. Edith was real, authentic. Garland was a pure Hollywood product. And Piaf's voice was touching the world. Not Judy. Judy was a great singer but no comparison with Piaf.

Why wouldn't Judy Garland be America's Edith Piaf?

^Find

Touchy, touchy.

[quote] She wasn't a heroin addict. She became addict to the pills they were giving when her pain due to her disease was unbearable. Nothing to with a 'heroin junkie'. Why are you spreading lies ??

In 1951, Piaf was seriously injured in a car crash along with Charles Aznavour, breaking her arm and two ribs, and thereafter had serious difficulties arising from morphine and alcohol addictions.[2] Two more near-fatal car crashes exacerbated the situation.[8] Jacques Pills, a singer, took her into rehabilitation on three different occasions to no avail . . .

Years of alcohol abuse alongside copious amounts of medications, initially for arthritic pains and later insomnia, took their toll on Piaf's health. A series of car accidents only exacerbated her addictions and she eventually underwent a series of surgeries for a stomach ulcer in 1959. Coupled with a deteriorating liver and the need for a blood transfusion, by 1962 she had lost a significant amount of weight, reaching a low of 30 kg (66 pounds). Drifting in and out of consciousness for several months, she died of liver cancer[33] at age 47 at her villa in Plascassier (Grasse), on the French Riviera, on 10 October 1963, the day before filmmaker and friend Jean Cocteau died.[34] Her last words were "Every damn thing you do in this life, you have to pay for."[35]

Piaf could sing and had talent. Garland was an overrated attention whore who sounded like a drunk sow grunting whilst being slaughtered.

The teenage Garland doesn't sound dated now, but the adult Garland does.

Piaf is timeless.

R28 Because Americans have absolutely to be the best or the first you know. They are self center as f. But the rest of this planet knows Edith was by far the best.

Not all Americans like Garland, R34. Usually it's only white eldergays who worship that gargoyle and ludicrously praise her as the greatest singer ever.

Piaf had hotter husbands.

There was only one Piaf and only one Garland, It's unfair to equate their talent and celebrity. Edith Piaf wasn't France's Judy Garland. She was France's Eidth Piaf.

R35 I know, i know many of you have good tastes

I'm British but even now people still admire Edith Piaf. She's like an untouchable goddess. She started singing in the streets of Paris when she was a homeless. Her performances were all incredible. That voice tho.

Judy made a lot of money for Jewish men; Edith saved Jewish men. Sorry, no contest.

Why are we comparing an American film star who sang musical comedy, to Edith any way? The pills? Feh! They are equally Iconic, in the real sense of the word.

CBS News referred to Edith Piaf as the French Judy Garland. But it probably was to give us Americans a comparison of how highly the French regarded Piaf.

[Quote]For fans, Piaf is up there with Janis Joplin and Judy Garland — women of astonishing strength and fragility. Her rags-to-riches story (much of which she invented herself), her powerful voice, her passion, which was so evident on stage, are all reasons why her music still endures.

R40 I was wondering the same question. They weren't at the same level at all. Edith Piaf was a real singer, from the start.

In regards to tragic lives, a fairer comparison might be one between Edith Piaf and Billie Holiday.

Judy was performing as a child too, not on the street though. Both had terrible childhoods. If you can say Judy couldn’t sing you must be deaf.

A better analogy would be “Elvis Presley was America’s Edith Piaf”.

They both had tons of natural talent, immediately recognizable voices, are eponymous with their style, and have spawned thousands of impersonators who can’t come within 100 miles of them.

My favorite Piaf song is also the first she recorded (and is all about child prostitution):

R43 R45 you both got it very well! Finally!!!

[Quote]In regards to tragic lives, a fairer comparison might be one between Edith Piaf and Billie Holiday.

Oh my God, I put their names in YouTube, and came up with this gem! I'm listening to it now, completely amazed.

[Quote]For fans, Piaf is up there with Janis Joplin and Judy Garland — women of astonishing strength and fragility

Janis fucking Joplin? On which planet is a flash in the pan whose only musical talent was screaming and yelling equivalent to the great Edith Piaf?

OP, You are comparing the incomparable. There's no match here. Edith Piaf was one the best singer of all time. Judy Garland was a comedy musical singer in Hollywood.

Geez, they both looked rough at the end. THERE, that’s the similarity!

Edith was dating Yves Montand before he became famous. He owes her his career. She helped him a lot. She also helped Charles Aznavour.

Another one of my favorite Piaf performances. Song composed by Georges Moustaki.

[quote]Edith was dating Yves Montand before he became famous. He owes her his career. She helped him a lot. She also helped Charles Aznavour.

One of the most famous Piaf quotations is "When you reach the top, you should remember to send the elevator back down for the others."

Love this one "La foule"

"But did Edith ever have a LIZA?"

Sacre bleu!

R54 Wow on stage, she lived her songs viscerally. Impressed

Edith Piaf had a daughter who died at the age of two. I don't know whether or not she was capable of becoming pregnant again.

[quote] A better analogy would be “Elvis Presley was America’s Edith Piaf”. They both had tons of natural talent, immediately recognizable voices, are eponymous with their style, and have spawned thousands of impersonators who can’t come within 100 miles of them.

Presley had a natural talent for imitating black singers.

[quote] Judy Garland was a comedy musical singer in Hollywood.

Give it a rest. You love Édith Piaf. We get it. You complained about Americans having to be the “best”, but you’re the one who continues to attempt to diminish Garland, in order to elevate Piaf. Which is not necessary. You also continue to claim that Piaf was not a drug addict. She was both a drug addict and an alcoholic.

R53 So true. Yves Montand was the first French singing 'Les feuilles mortes', that several Americans singers covered (Autumn Leaves). The elevator Edith sent back was pure gold.

I love this duet. Edith lived her songs. Never heard anyone put so much emotions to the songs. Judy was amazing but my Edith really touches my soul with her voice.

But I like them both

OMG. Edith had a horrible childhood. HEr life was so tragic. Watch the superb biographical movie La Vie en Rose with the exquisite Marion Cotillard. it was very accurate.

No one in their 50s looks that bashed up if they haven’t been hitting the pills and liquor non stop. Both Judy and Edith were ADDICTS.

I don't think Edith Piaf ever had a strong gay following. If you want to compare based on that criteria, you might want to look at Dalida, tragic diva with a lazy eye, many failed marriages, likely a life long pill popping habit, who loved and fought for her gays and died of intentional pill overdose in the early 80s.

R59 Lol you were the first and the only one starting a fight with everyone just because you wants Garland to be Edith's equal. when she's obviously not. And i didn't talk about drugs. You know this is not about your little person and me here, right?

Now keep crying a river but leave me the fuck alone with your childish behavior!

R61 One of my fav too. Beautiful

Here's a clip of "L'accordéoniste," recorded in 1954, according to the YouTube comments. The video quality is poor, but we're still lucky to have it.

It really demonstrates how Piaf immersed herself in a song. Simone Berteaut (Piaf's sister, who wrote a biography of her) said that, as her health worsened, she stopped performing "L'accordéoniste," because it left her exhausted.

R68 Goosebumps. Thanks

In regards to Judy, I think one of her most emotional filmed performances was her rendition of "The Battle Hymn of the Republic," for which she got an unexpected standing ovation.

They were both great singers and their lives do have some parallels. They both died at the age of 47 after a struggle with alcohol and drugs. They both sang with all their hearts and moved people like no other. They both have unique stature in their respective country's musical culture. They knew each other. Garland attended Piaf's concerts in NYC. I've always liked Piaf, but I love Garland. I am American. I am sure a French person would feel exactly the opposite. That's fine. They can both be great, can't they?

I really appreciate Edith Piaf, but as French singers go, I have always preferred Juliette Gréco (now 92 years old), Y es Montand, and perhaps Barbara to Edith Piaf, who tended to bulldoze her way through songs. She had a passion, but too often lacked restraint for me.

Judy Garland also could have done more with less on occasion. She was unquestionably more show biz dazzle, but she also had a warmth that was uncommon for so many singers of showtunes.

There is an inherent divisivesness in the OP’s question, of course, which speaks to the competition between the US and Europe in terms of culture, but also the tendency to pit women against one another. We aren’t arguing Charles Trenet vs. Tony Bennett.

While neither Piaf nor Garland is my favorite singer, they are both unquestionably magnetic performers who channeled the high drama of their lives into their music, and both are great figures in twentieth century popular music.

Judy Garland never moved me.

Edith Piaf was a treasure. She directly touches my soul.

A big difference was that Edith managed to hold on to her money and was apparently quite wealthy (e.g., a villa in Grasse) when she died.

The opposite of Judy who allowed herself to be robbed blind.

[quote] [R59] Lol you were the first and the only one starting a fight with everyone just because you wants Garland to be Edith's equal. when she's obviously not. And i didn't talk about drugs. You know this is not about your little person and me here, right? Now keep crying a river but leave me the fuck alone with your childish behavior!

Please, by all means, show me where I started a fight with anyone. I stated that they were both uniquely talented. What is obvious is that you’re a liar, an idiot and the childish behavior here is your own.

My posts:

[quote] Either they both were unique or neither was unique. I would say that they both were uniquely talented.

[quote] Regardless of whom you prefer. They were both uniquely talented.

Your posts:

[quote] Sorry Americans but you can't win this one. R1 not 'kind of', they are totally different. R3 She wasn't a heroin addict. She became addict to the pills they were giving when her pain due to her disease was unbearable. Nothing to with a 'heroin junkie'. Why are you spreading lies ??

[quote] OP, more like Garland was USA's Edith Piaf. But even in this way something doesn't sound right. Piaf was unique. Garland was fabulous but not that unique.

[quote] I'd say Edith was the Queen and Judy the princess

[quote] why Americans always have the need to compare their artists to European artists? I don't get it. You can't compare Edith Piaf to anyone, anyways.

[quote] R8 witch movie ? La vie en Rose? She was suffering for years and her "doctors" were complaisant but she wasn't a junkie like you said

[quote] well never heard of that christine Liza, but the whole knows Piaf, for sure

[quote] R14 LOL please Edith was way more talented and unique.

[quote] R14 she's already was sick there. Very sick. At each fall of the curtain she fainted.

[quote] R19 Nope honey not both and you can try to pick a fight with everyone, that doesn't make it right. You'll never fond real music lovers agreeing with you except on DL. Edith was real, authentic. Garland was a pure Hollywood product. And Piaf's voice was touching the world. Not Judy. Judy was a great singer but no comparison with Piaf.

[quote] R28 Because Americans have absolutely to be the best or the first you know. They are self center as f. But the rest of this planet knows Edith was by far the best.

[quote] R35 I know, i know many of you have good tastes

[quote] I'm British but even now people still admire Edith Piaf. She's like an untouchable goddess. She started singing in the streets of Paris when she was a homeless. Her performances were all incredible. That voice tho.

[quote] R40 I was wondering the same question. They weren't at the same level at all. Edith Piaf was a real singer, from the start.

[quote] R43 R45 you both got it very well! Finally!!!

[quote] OP, You are comparing the incomparable. There's no match here. Edith Piaf was one the best singer of all time. Judy Garland was a comedy musical singer in Hollywood.

[quote] Edith was dating Yves Montand before he became famous. He owes her his career. She helped him a lot. She also helped Charles Aznavour.

[quote] Love this one "La foule"

[quote] R54 Wow on stage, she lived her songs viscerally. Impressed

[quote] R53 So true. Yves Montand was the first French singing 'Les feuilles mortes', that several Americans singers covered (Autumn Leaves). The elevator Edith sent back was pure gold.

[quote] R59 Lol you were the first and the only one starting a fight with everyone just because you wants Garland to be Edith's equal. when she's obviously not. And i didn't talk about drugs. You know this is not about your little person and me here, right? Now keep crying a river but leave me the fuck alone with your childish behavior!

[quote] R61 One of my fav too. Beautiful

[quote] R68 Goosebumps. Thanks

[quote] Judy Garland never moved me.

Ugh this thread has devolved into two nasty queens bitching

Edith certainly enjoyed some PRIME sizemeat!

I always thought of Edith Piaf as sort of the Billie Holliday of France.

Only one cray cray bitch on this thread. Gah Judy Garland deserves much better than you R76 Seek help, Quick !

Beginning its musical career in the late 1990s, Piaf contributed to the "Latin explosion" that occurred at the time in entertainous, witch the Daily Herald [22], calling this phenomenon a "crossdress royalty" . It appeared on the cover of the first issue of Papita magazine in 1996, publisher Galinha Espinoza stating that "there is no trace of modern French Latin history without Edith" in a 2011 editorial, which praises its legacy . As this career began to grow, the focus on Piaf's curvaceous figure grew; Scholar Seanous Redmond wrote that this was a sign of his role and social power in cultural change in the United Frenchs. In August 2005, Time ranked Piaf among France's most influential Hispanics Latinas de France, noting, "Why, because more than a decade ago, she was an anonymous dancer in the second show of comedy and cabaret. Today she is known under two syllables ED.P ". In February 2007, People in Español magazineous called him the most influential Franco artist. In 2014, scientists named a species of aquatic mite found in Yugoslavia, Litarachna Piafus, because of the Piaf.

Non?

[quote] Only one cray cray bitch on this thread. Gah Judy Garland deserves much better than you [R76] Seek help, Quick !

Ma’am I stated that they were equally uniquely talented because they both were. There is nothing crazy about that. Your projection is what is crazy. Are you under the impression that we cannot all read your bullshit.

R81: NON!!

Tu es FADA!

R81: NON!!

Tu es FADA!

Lol you are so insane that i pity you . So R76 Now explain to us something: why are you SO sure of you? And how can you know who post what? And dont avoid my question. Are you Muriel? Working for the website or something? Otherwise you're not only insane, pathetic and dangerous, you to stop your schizophrenic crisis.

[quote] Lol you are so insane that i pity you . So [R76] Now explain to us something: why are you SO sure of you? And how can you know who post what? And dont avoid my question. Are you Muriel? Working for the website or something? Otherwise you're not only insane, pathetic and dangerous, you to stop your schizophrenic crisis.

Anyone care to explain to this idiot how we know who posted what . . .

Someone here didn't take her meds. Not only you are a cray cray but you are also a stalker. Lurking on every single post as i you were some detective or idk acting like people owe you any explanation. All of this because you can't handle to hear that Garland was just a COMEDY MUSICAL singer! How old are you 12 yo?? You can't force people to like what you like, you psycho!

Explain yourself to the idiot. I'm waiting because your game here is obvious. Once you are playing Ediith Piaf's fan then your psycho real face appears. So??

EDITH PIAF WAS MUCH BETTER AND UNIQUE THAN JUDY GARLAND. There i said it again. What you gonna do? Imbecile!

Piaf and Garland both died at 47? Wow.

R89 and they looked 100 years old. Drugs and liquor.

[quote]Anyone care to explain to this idiot how we know who posted what . . .

I put the idiot on Ignore yesterday. It's much quieter today.

Lol you are answering to your own post. This is what i thought: a) You are a psycho, b) Until you are working for DL you don't know shit on who post what. Oh and yesterday we dis not talk in any thread. Now GFU asshole. Bye bye old no life pathetic MF

I prefer Edith but love both, and the others mentioned like Dalida, Juliette Greco, and the great Barbara whose song "Septembre" is one of the prettiest ever recorded.

For me, Judy Garland was more of a showgirl. Piaf was a real vocal artiste. Nobody sings like her any more (I don't even disagree that she 'bulldozed' her way through songs), that big lusty timbre is unparalleled. You get the sense that the emotion in her songs is deeply felt, whereas in Garland's it is *performed*. Both styles are valid... I prefer Piaf but here is a great vocal and emotional 'performance' by Judy. What a storyteller.

Piaf was at her best when singing about life on the streets - homelessness, prostitution, and drug addiction.

This song and L’etrager (The Stranger) both exemplify the raw, gritty feeling she could bring to a performance.