Are some women just born into fraudom?

Count on it, OP... she is great big fat girl just waiting to happen.

What happens to the children of these Professional Mommy Frauen when they grow up? My mother loved me, but she had a life (even briefly, a job) and outside interests besides celebrating her reproductive abilities.

Op, what you described is a dream for many people, not just woman, around the world. Children may not remember every detail of their expensive over-decorated Christmases, but they will know they may grow to appreciate those happy memories. Certainly beats having parents divorced of their children's lives.

I suppose you have to decide what life is really about. Some people take joy in their offspring, others in their work. Some woman are born for the job of motherhood, so I'll say yes to your question. But, is that a bad thing?

Why are some posters on the DL so obsessively preoccupied with fraus?

OP, yes. One of my sisters is like this -- ever since she was little, her dream was a husband, kids, lol

[quote]My mother loved me, but she had a life (even briefly, a job) and outside interests besides celebrating her reproductive abilities.

Sounds a lot like mine. Mine worked off and on, especially as we got older and she took art classes, had lunches with friends without dragging us kids around with her. I do think too many women are way too involved in their kids lives and raised a lot of adults who can't seem to be alone or need constant praise and stimulation. We were actually banished to our rooms for an an hour or two a day to entertain ourselves. We could read, play with our toys or take a nap. This was before electronic media and every room had a tv days.

[quote] I'm curious because I work with a 20 year old girl who just had a baby and can talk of nothing else except the baby and her side crafting business of huge bows and head wraps that are bigger than a baby's head.

I don't get those ugly bows. I don't have a baby, but if I did, I'd never put a headband or bow on it. It looks terrible.

Becoming a frau is the first step to becoming a stay at home mom.

[quote]huge bows and head wraps that are bigger than a baby's head

SQUEE! So cute!

And it's never too to start raising a proper girly girl, times being so confused and all.

Is she also mug-cradling? That is a dead giveaway.

How der frauen envision themselves...

When in reality....

Baby girls need bows because otherwise they might be mistaken for boys, and misgendering is the most terrible thing known to man (or to woman or non-binary person).

[quote]Children may not remember every detail of their expensive over-decorated Christmases, but they will know they may grow to appreciate those happy memories.

Maybe, but some of it is definitely for the parents. They need to show off to other fraus just how good they are at frau skills. Because as OP says, the girl he knows "just" had a baby. These mothers have huge elaborate first Christmases and birthday parties that the kids are too young to remember AT ALL, not just "not every detail."

The bows aren't even the worst. They have turbans for babies now. Nothing like dressing your infant like Mammy from GWTW

Don't worry OP. She will eventually get bored and then 'accidentally' leave said child in a hot car next summer. Tragedy plays much better than happiness.

I used to be hyper critical of women like this, but at the end of the day, who the fuck am I to criticize what makes someone else happy and demean them? It's not my cup of tea, but also not my business. I get rather tired of the smug David Sedaris-like sense of superiority that comes with such social indictments. If Fraus want to be Fraus, let them go ahead and Frau.

R15, I agree. Fraus have their uses as well. For instance, my sister has stocked up on enough cans of Progresso soup to last through the apocalypse.

A 20-year-old girl, OP? Girl? At 20 and a new mother to boot, I believe she qualifies as a genuine grown up woman. Out of curiosity, is a 20-year-old boy the lucky father?

The father is the same age and I don't consider a 20 year old a grown up just because she's a mother. She extremely naive, immature and childish acting. Sweet, but afraid of everything like going to the store by herself and even a belief in supernatural boogeymen out to get people.

The Kardashians are responsible for the baby head-wrap trend. It's theorized that they do this because they don't know how to style the hair of all their black children.

But do you refer to the father as a boy, R18? Probably not. Calling a 20-year-old woman a girl is latent misogyny. It's easier to dismiss and discount her if she's a "girl," isn't it?

Yes, I call him a boy R20 and piss off. It is not misogynistic to call a girl a girl and get your panties untwisted.

DL attracts so many fucking weirdos these days.

R21-yes, it is 100% misogynistic to call a woman a girl. I feel sorry for the women in your life. You're a sexist bore. Your colleague probably laughs behind your back at what a dramatic, sanctimonious queen you are. My boxers are fine, thanks.

You're boring and childish R22. Feel sorry all you want. I don't really care. The women in my life are fine and I suspect you don't wear boxers but, do indeed wear panties, because, my dear, you type like an offended female.

R23-now you're stereotyping a gay man. How predictable.

I shouldn't be surprised the Kardashian's are responsible for those baby turbans. What other crimes against humanity can they perform?

[quote]yes, it is 100% misogynistic to call a woman a girl. I feel sorry for the women in your life. You're a sexist bore. Your colleague probably laughs behind your back at what a dramatic, sanctimonious queen you are.

[quote]now you're stereotyping a gay man. How predictable.

The hypocrisy is strong with this one.

[quote]I used to be hyper critical of women like this, but at the end of the day, who the fuck am I to criticize what makes someone else happy and demean them? It's not my cup of tea, but also not my business.

But that’s the problem - it’s not our business, yet fraus constantly insist on telling us their business when we don’t care and aren’t interested. I couldn’t care less what other people do, but don’t force me to listen to a daily update on what cutesie little thing Maddyson and Jayden did yesterday. Hell, I was in the doctors office the other day waiting to be checked in and I had to stand at the check-in desk and wait for about 45 seconds before the frau receptionist acknowledged me because she had to finish telling her coworker a stupid story about their kid.

The fraus bring the criticism on themselves by forcing it on everyone.

Frauism is to social media as lyme disease is to horse ticks.

I think the turbans are cute. The headbands are trashy.

R26 I have a feeling it's an outraged frau lurking on a gay man's board and being insulted by what she's reading.

R29-both are trashy. Babies only need their heads covered if it's cold or sunny. They have hats for that. R27-it's called small talk. Women seems to think other women want to hear about kids. Men seem to think other men want to hear about sports. I can't tell you how many men in my office drone on and on about sports when I give fuck all. No amazing displays for me, thanks very much.

I actually applaud the effort some people put in to being so extra. My lazy ass could never do it. I think as long as they're still somewhat grounded in reality, there's not really a problem. Yeah, small talk about kids can get annoying but it's part of life. Just nod and smile and change the subject when you can.

Op- has serious envy and hatred for women in general.

Some are born fraus

Some achieve frauness

And some have coffee mugs thrust into their cradled hands.

Yes.

A 20 year old with a baby is rather trashy these days.

Anyway, to answer the question, my cousin married a girl like this. She was 22 when they met and constantly giggling over everything. You don't meet too many girls like that these days. Most are already jaded by the time they are in college. She is 30 now with two kids and twins on the way. Her whole identity is about her kids and she seems really happy.

Yeah, some people are just born for fraudom. A friend's college roommate had no aspirations beyond finding a husband, having babies, and being a stay-at-home mom in a prosperous suburb. She only went to college to find a suitable husband, and this was in the 90s, decades after it was common for women to go to college to "study for her MRS. degree". She was the greatest roommate EVER, because she did all the cleaning and most of the cooking!

Yeah, some people really are "born that way". Some are born fraus, some are born salesmen, and most of us were fussy old queens in grade school.

Don't be a drag, just be a frau

Whether you're thin or super-sow

You're Claymating, you're pumpkin spice

You're scrapbooking, you're Jeanne Bice