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Mexico City Is The New Black

Over the past year or so it seems like about a dozen friends and acquaintances, gay and straight, have gone down to CDMX on vacation and come back raving about it. Basic takeaway is:

* It's no longer even remotely dangerous. There are still bad areas, but the parts of town you'll be in are as safe as any major American city and there are police everywhere.

* The food is amazing and there's a big foodie sceene

* The weather is close to perfect--almost always in the low to mid 70s, only rains in summer and then just for a few hours, cools off at night

* Lots of great museums and things to see.

* Ubers everywhere and very inexpensive

* Very open and accepting gay scene--marriage is legal and all that

* Still relatively inexpensive

* Not overrun by American tourists

Just passing it on. We have planned a trip for October, will fill you in when we get back.

Any DLers been recently or even live there?

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by Anonymousreply 304January 30, 2020 8:48 AM

“No longer even remotely dangerous” strikes me as an overly generous.

But it does sound pretty cool. And the architecture of that building is so appealing.

by Anonymousreply 1July 11, 2019 1:33 PM

I worked there for the summer of 1981. Admittedly, a long time ago. There is much to love about Mexico City. Much.

However, check the air quality. I have no idea about air quality now, but in 1981, breathing the air there on a summer afternoon could literally make you sick. Not Data Lounge 'literally,' but actual 'litetrally.' It was really bad. I tried to get business done in the morning so that I could stay indoors during the afternoon. It was all due to cars. There seemed to be no pollution control standards for cars. It would clear a bit in the evening and still be okay in the morning. But as the day wore on, the air grew smoggy and toxic.

Expect Mexico City to be less safe for women than for men. Expect them to get hit on constantly, sometimes casually and sometimes in disgusting ways. Even by the police.

If you have your eyes open, you will begin to notice crushing poverty. It's probably another step down from the poverty you encounter in the U.S. There is real desperation there.

And most importantly, don't fuck up and get carted off to a Mexican jail or prison. Do NOT.

All that stated, I loved it. It really is beautiful. Go and enjoy it, but be cool about it and keep your eyes open.

by Anonymousreply 2July 11, 2019 1:40 PM

Mexico City has always been co zidered a perfectly nice place to be a tourist.

Saying it is not even remotely dangerous is way overstating the case, every city has danger, and Mexico City is still a high crime city. You definitely need to practice some basic street smarts and be cognizant of where you go at night.

It's a very easy and relatively inexpensive international vacation from the US.

by Anonymousreply 3July 11, 2019 1:47 PM

Have you been back any time in the intervening 38 years, R2? I'd be interested to hear how it changed since then.

And FWIW R1, it's been a pretty universal "I never felt unsafe." That said, it's a big city, and like New York or London or San Francisco or any other big city you need to use common sense about where you go.

by Anonymousreply 4July 11, 2019 1:48 PM

r2 That was almost forty years ago. Little of what you say applies anymore.

by Anonymousreply 5July 11, 2019 1:48 PM

Would you say the same about DC or NY not being "remotely dangerous" R3?

And it was very dangerous in the 90s when kidnapping was an issue and the police were all corrupt and were often the kidnappers. That has been cleaned up over the last 25 years.

Uber has supposedly made a huge difference as well, in that it's possible to go anywhere in the city quickly and safely.

by Anonymousreply 6July 11, 2019 1:52 PM

You can meet lots of interesting people there!

by Anonymousreply 7July 11, 2019 2:00 PM

Tourists were never the people who needed to fear kidnappers, and kidnapping still happens btw. Numbers have actually been pretty high recently

And anyone who says DC is not remotely dangerous is not very familiar with DC. And the crime rate of Mexico City is much higher.

I encourage people to go, but you should be an informed tourist.

by Anonymousreply 8July 11, 2019 2:04 PM

in all my travels to Mexico I have not stopped in the D.F. I would still love to. I remember in 1973 I begged and begged my parents to let me go on a trip to Mexico with my 7th grade Spanish class. (on Braniff !). stopovers were Mexico City, Acapulco and Oaxaca. It cost too much ($400 total for a week).. that was a lot of money then. I was so jealous of those that went.

by Anonymousreply 9July 11, 2019 2:11 PM

Do you live there or elsewhere in Mexico R8?

Are you a travel agent?

by Anonymousreply 10July 11, 2019 3:27 PM

I've been to Mexico City twice and it's AWESOME!

It's like NYC with its amazing restaurants, historical sites, etc.

Teotihuacan, with the pyramids, is just outside the city. The history museum is one of the best in the world.

I recommend it to everyone.

by Anonymousreply 11July 11, 2019 3:58 PM

Agree with r8.

Crime of all kinds in Mexico City continues unabated. You are likely safe-ish in the tourist areas, but most residents who can afford it have 24/7 security details, which tells you something.

The crime is high, but even worse, or equally, is the pollution. Guadalajara is the place to be. Only 2 hours from PV too. Perfect combo.

by Anonymousreply 12July 11, 2019 4:13 PM

Is that recent information R12?

What are your sources?

by Anonymousreply 13July 11, 2019 4:21 PM

r13 Yes, it is indeed recent information. Why else would I chime in?

by Anonymousreply 14July 11, 2019 4:24 PM

Did those wrestling women ever find that Aztec mummy that was running loose?

by Anonymousreply 15July 11, 2019 4:27 PM

No thanks. Don't want to be kidnapped.

by Anonymousreply 16July 11, 2019 4:35 PM

R16, you have nothing to worry about. No one wants to kidnap and ugly, bald, fat guy who sweats alot,.

by Anonymousreply 17July 11, 2019 4:39 PM

Is OP Adam Schock ?

by Anonymousreply 18July 11, 2019 4:49 PM

I'm mostly interested in its metro. Pornhub etal are full of videos of guys randomly hooking up.

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by Anonymousreply 19July 11, 2019 4:52 PM

Always has to devolve to porn and escorts. Smdh

by Anonymousreply 20July 11, 2019 6:12 PM

[quote] [R13] Yes, it is indeed recent information. Why else would I chime in?

You must be new here.

Because DLers will often post their impressions from 38 years ago (see R2)

And because DLers will often post about things "they've heard" not based in reality

And because "recent" on DL often means anywhere from 2001 to the present.

So again, what are your sources? Do you live there? Did you read an article? Family lives there?

Thanks,

by Anonymousreply 21July 11, 2019 6:59 PM

OP doesn't like hearing what OP doesn't want to hear, apparently. Talk about a familiar DL attitude.

What are my *sources*? You are fucking laughable.

Enjoy your trip, asshole.

by Anonymousreply 22July 11, 2019 7:10 PM

Wasn't that bizarre a question R22

I wanted to know how you knew about CDMX. Were you there recently? Do you live there? Have friends or family there? Clients? Read an article on a travel website?

I was hoping you might have more insight if you lived there.

by Anonymousreply 23July 11, 2019 8:01 PM

[quote]Is OP Adam Schock ?

Oh, dear.

by Anonymousreply 24July 11, 2019 8:20 PM

I’m glad to hear this, OP. My dad lived there as a child in the 1940’s and described it as this magical place. I have photos of it from then, too. One is of my dad and his sister in a beautiful park, riding their bikes with their pet parrots on the handlebars. I’ve been to Chiapas and Yucatan and hope to see MC someday too.

by Anonymousreply 25July 11, 2019 8:37 PM

[quote]Oh, dear.

OMG. I didn't catch that !!! *cries*

by Anonymousreply 26July 11, 2019 8:40 PM

[quote] It's no longer even remotely dangerous.

Oh that's funny!

by Anonymousreply 27July 11, 2019 10:53 PM

It's only when you get close that it's dangerous.

by Anonymousreply 28July 11, 2019 11:19 PM

LOL. I knew this would get the #MaidenAuntBrigade all fired up. Because on Datalounge, 1993 was just two weeks ago. #Truth

by Anonymousreply 29July 12, 2019 12:37 AM

I know that Mexico City has a ton of different neighborhoods which are trendy, or for restaurants, etc.

Which ones are the best ones to visit?

Also, does the "don't drink the water" and "don't eat the fruits" still apply, as far as Montezuma's revenge is concerned?

The street tacos and other street foods in the city look amazing, but I'd be so scared of getting sick.

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by Anonymousreply 30July 12, 2019 12:57 AM

The Best Street Food in Mexico City, According to Photographers Who Love Shooting It

Breakfast Taco Stand at Mercado La Merced

“You can put anything in a taco and it'll taste great. Case in point: these fried egg tacos we found at this breakfast taco vendor in Mercado La Merced, which is the largest market in Mexico City. Locals eating at this spot told us to get these breakfast tacos, and we’re glad we took their advice. It was the most comforting way to start our day.”

Huaracheria Doña Luz, Desde 1994

“We stumbled upon this red tent nestled in the Roma Norte neighborhood by just roaming around the city. The vendor had a small crowd surrounding him, and you could just tell by his deftness in cooking that this was a good stall. He specializes in huarache, which is an oval-shaped ‘sandal’ of masa griddled until crisp and topped with smashed refried beans, cotija, salsa, and your choice of meat (we went with chorizo). I love this dish because of all the different flavors you get in just one bite, but what makes this particular huarache special is the perfect texture, not the least bit dry.”

Taquito Vendor at Mercado de Xochimilco

“We’re always hitting up the mercados by 7:30 or 8 a.m., when it has the most food options, from soups and tacos to flautas and taquitos. That’s because you’ll find more locals at this hour, filling up with heavy breakfasts as they prepare to work long shifts. After wandering through the produce stands at the Mercado de Xochimilco in Santa Crucita, we found these unbelievable goat taquitos, which are unusual to see during breakfast hours. The meat was so tender and folded into the crispest tortilla. Delicious.”

Flautas Lupita at Mercado San Juan

“Even though it’s fried, these flautas de pollo are pretty light antojitos (a.k.a. Mexican snacks), meaning it’s too easy to eat a lot of them. The shredded cabbage adds something fresh, the guacamole gives some body, and the cotija cheese lends some salt, making for the most delightful snack as you explore this market in the Cuahutémoc borough.”

Tacos al Pastor Stand in Cuahutémoc

“You know you’re at a good tacos al pastor stand just by watching the taquero. A skilled taquero never lets the meat touch the griddle below and knows how to flick a slice of roasted pineapple on top of the taco. We found this stand after drinking some mezcal at local favorite Bósforo-Mezcaleria, also in the Cuahutémoc area. It has a giant orange spit, so keep an eye out for it. They serve the most beautifully spiced pork with the sweet pineapple, which makes for the most balanced bite.”

Tacos Dorados at Mercado La Merced

“As we were scoping out this mercado, a vessel holding tons of tacos dorados caught our attention. I mean, who can resist a fried taco shell? Even better: They were filled with creamy potatoes, and tasted just as good as they look.”

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by Anonymousreply 31July 12, 2019 1:03 AM

Soups and stews look amazing!

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by Anonymousreply 32July 12, 2019 1:05 AM

Tacos!

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by Anonymousreply 33July 12, 2019 1:05 AM

Esquites look and sound amazing:

[quote] Elote refers to fresh corn which is served on the cob or cut kernels. If on the cob, it is either grilled or boiled then coated with mayonnaise and dusted with any of the following: chili pepper, salt, cotija cheese, lime juice and hot sauce. The cut kernels are usually served in a dish called esquites, where similar seasonings are mixed in and it is eaten with a spoon

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by Anonymousreply 34July 12, 2019 1:09 AM

I love Mexico City. The food is amazing -- easily one of the top 5 world's greatest food cities.

Tom's Leather Bar is great fun.

Check out the National Anthropology Museum.. over the course of a few days. It's massive!

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by Anonymousreply 35July 12, 2019 3:57 AM

cheap foreskin for sure...

by Anonymousreply 36July 12, 2019 4:23 AM

I'm SO there

by Anonymousreply 37July 12, 2019 4:44 AM

Don't be out at night

by Anonymousreply 38July 12, 2019 4:47 AM

I was raped there twice so I don’t really feel safe there.

by Anonymousreply 39July 12, 2019 4:52 AM

What part of the city where you at, R39?

by Anonymousreply 40July 12, 2019 5:39 AM

I was there with a travel buddy about 15 years ago. I felt safe even at midnight walking around and taking the metro. We stayed at the Rosa Zona. We went to the nearby Pyramids. It’s a very exciting city .

by Anonymousreply 41July 12, 2019 1:42 PM

Have fun getting kidnapped!

by Anonymousreply 42July 12, 2019 5:32 PM

I love DLers who make crazy assertions about places they've never been, and then make equally crazy assertions as comparisons of places they've also never been. "DF is just as dangerous as DC!"

Except ... neither is particularly dangerous, except in the poorer areas, which would be true of any major city, anywhere in the world. It's not like you're going to expect a ridiculous level of personal safety in Beijing, Amsterdam or Johannes.

It's blanket racism ("It's Mexico so it must be dangerous because it's full of MEXICANS!) and ("DC is full of BLACK PEOPLE!")

I've lived in DC for over 40 years. I got mugged - once, during the Reagan administration. The level of crime is damn low. So please pack your racist assumptions in your Wichita level bigotry bag and stuff it right up your ass.

by Anonymousreply 43July 12, 2019 5:47 PM

I seem to remember it's at a very high altitude and I took a while to adapt to it - also I'd brought with me some pot that I'd acquired in Acapulco and smoking pot at high altitude is a thing.

They had VW Bug taxis.

by Anonymousreply 44July 12, 2019 5:54 PM

Sorry if that got misconstrued R43--my point was that NYC (where I was born, raised and still live) and DC (where I've spend a considerable amount of time) are not the least bit dangerous except, as you note, in a few areas where tourists are highly unlikely to go. (You may have been referring to someone else though.)

But your greater point about a sizable segment of DLers being afraid of travel in general is sort of a given on this site.

by Anonymousreply 45July 12, 2019 5:55 PM

[R43] amen. I’ve lived in New Orleans and DC and never had anything happen. I also lived in “bad” neighborhoods. You are in a city. You are smart and careful and don’t go drunkenly careening around at three AM. A lot of people must live in little towns, which to me are scarier.

by Anonymousreply 46July 12, 2019 5:56 PM

^^that and relating their experiences from 30+ years ago without any acknowledgement that things may have changed in the intervening decades.

by Anonymousreply 47July 12, 2019 5:56 PM

Saying Mexico City is back is like PR shills claiming Detroit is back from the brink. A few restaurants, a new condo tower and a glitzy new hotel do not a city make.

People are really impressed and easily distracted by shiny, new baubles

by Anonymousreply 48July 12, 2019 6:01 PM

What is the pollution nowadays? 20M people. It can't be good.

by Anonymousreply 49July 12, 2019 6:07 PM

I love Mexico City. It is for me a great adventure that I can afford. I usually pay around USD 10 bucks so go whenever I can. For the ultimate gay experience be sure and ride in the last car of the metro on the pink line. I have never felt in danger there now that they have done away with the VW bug taxis.

by Anonymousreply 50July 12, 2019 6:08 PM

A gringo in Mexico City is just asking to be kidnapped.

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by Anonymousreply 51July 12, 2019 6:25 PM

But #MaidenAuntBrigadeers -- there's an Olive Garden there!! (Three of them to be exact!)

You won't have to eat any of that "weird" food.

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by Anonymousreply 52July 12, 2019 6:29 PM

"They'd still speak in some foreign gobbledygook, R52! When I enjoy fine dining at an upscale eatery I demand to be spoken to in English. I can go to the Mexico pavilion at Epcot and have the same experience and then enjoy a delicious turkey leg and supersized Coke on my way home"

by Anonymousreply 53July 12, 2019 6:31 PM

Wow! Their Olive Gardens have BREAKFAST! I've never seen that in the US.

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by Anonymousreply 54July 12, 2019 6:42 PM

[quote] Not Data Lounge 'literally,' but actual 'litetrally.'

I find this mysterious.

by Anonymousreply 55July 12, 2019 6:45 PM

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

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by Anonymousreply 56July 12, 2019 7:10 PM

But neither CDMX or Veracruz are as bad as Witchita, Kansas, where the VIOLENT crime rate is now DOUBLE the national average.

One more reason I'd never book a vacation in Flyoverstan!!!

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by Anonymousreply 57July 12, 2019 7:16 PM

Or crime-ridden Toledo, Ohio, where WOMEN are stabbing each other to death in the streets!!!

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by Anonymousreply 58July 12, 2019 7:20 PM

Or Toon Town!!!

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by Anonymousreply 59July 12, 2019 7:41 PM

[quote]- there's an Olive Garden there!! (Three of them to be exact!)

UGhh! If I am going to eat Italian in Mexico city, I am going to Polanco where you can find all the nice Italian neighborhoods.

Plus Alfredo di Roma is a much better restaurant.

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by Anonymousreply 60July 12, 2019 7:56 PM

[quote]- there's an Olive Garden there!! (Three of them to be exact!)

UGhh! If I am going to eat Italian in Mexico city, I am going to Polanco where you can find all the nice Italian neighborhoods.

Plus Alfredo di Roma is a much better restaurant.

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by Anonymousreply 61July 12, 2019 7:56 PM

According to the following article, Mexico City's air pollution is not as bad as it was in the early 1990s. However, its geographical location works against it. (A bowl in between mountain ranges.) It sounds as though the worst months are between March and early June. After the rainy season starts, in June, the air improves. If the hybrid and electric car revolution really happens in the next decade, it should make Mexico City's air exponentially better.

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by Anonymousreply 62July 12, 2019 8:17 PM

Was there in March (PERFECT weather) and loved it so much will be back next month (will be rainy unfortunately).

Gotta love some of the responses in here from the pearl clutcher untravelleds. You know who has seen the world and who hasn’t.

CDMX has so much flavor and energy, you actually feel like you are experiencing a different world unlike so many tourist destinations that are soulless copycats of each other and/or saturated by uncouth mass tourists.

I never felt unsafe there - even at 3am in the morning. In any neighborhood worth spending time in, there are always people around and Mexicans are very helpful and friendly. It is the only place I’ve visited when on multiple occasions I asked for directions and strangers walked with me until I found my way or someone who knew.

There is also a lot of money there so you will find all the conveniences of a major world class city and then some.

For that same reason, I just laugh at these kidnapping comments. And the one about hired full-time security details? Unless you are some Latin American 1%er, the kidnappers aren’t going to waste their time.

If you are just another frumpy looking Gringo wearing one of the same 4 wrinkled outfits you packed in your Samsonite, you’ll be more entertainment than anything for the average Chilango (person Fromm CDMX).

by Anonymousreply 63July 12, 2019 8:20 PM

[quote] Scientists say breathing the heavily polluted air in Mexico City these days is like smoking somewhere between a quarter- and a half-pack of cigarettes a day.

Recent article; pic is from May.

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by Anonymousreply 64July 12, 2019 8:22 PM

I love early morning walks around Condesa and Hipodromo, looking at all the Art Deco architecture. It's a great, great city.

by Anonymousreply 65July 12, 2019 8:25 PM

I don't want to get the shits, every time I go out to eat.

by Anonymousreply 66July 12, 2019 8:26 PM

What R63 said! This place is a secret treasure. Tourists have been so scared off by the place, it's a pleasure to go see the sights here. It's a very sophisticated place with great food and fabulous museums. When I first went a few years ago it was kind of amazing to see Mexico's thriving middle class and upper class here. Also it has some fabulous trendy neighborhoods with amazing art deco architecture.

Hotels and food are really cheap. They have a great gay nightlife BUT you should know some Spanish. Very little English spoken here. But as mentioned earlier very friendly natives. I also stumbled all over the city coming back from bars and clubs at 3 am and felt safer here than most US cities. Unless you have a big sign over your head that says ROB ME I AM A SCARED GRINGO, no one will bother you.

by Anonymousreply 67July 12, 2019 8:30 PM

The posters on Dl only think New York is the only place to live or visit and everywhere else is shit. It is fine with me. I would hate to see CDMX overran with DL posters.

by Anonymousreply 68July 12, 2019 8:37 PM

I want to go but please don't call CDMX or whatever it is.

by Anonymousreply 69July 12, 2019 8:38 PM

Here's a list of the 50 cities with the highest murder rates.

Note that while 12 of these cities are in Mexico, Mexico DF is not on this list.

St. Louis, New Orleans and Detroit are.

Interestingly Johannesburg isn't on this list either.

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by Anonymousreply 70July 12, 2019 8:47 PM

R68 New York City is basically a huge mall these days. Feels like walking into an H&M, with Instagrammers and Midwest fraus and Asian tourbuses and Eastern Europeans travelling the world for the first time an Latin tourists who can only travel in packs of 20s crowding up any sidewalk or restaurant they converge upon.

Sure, you'll get to see the natives once in a while. DL Shopbottoms on their *fabulous* way to their *fabulous* job at Saks Fifth Avenue from their rent-controlled apartment. Or the Dominicans/Puerto Ricans on their commutes if you are bold enough to take the subway, which some DLers who come from car-crazy Flyoverstan seem incapcable of doing.

World Pride looked ridiculous. I can imagine the city was insufferable in that heat, humidity, and with cackling queens roaming around like they finally owned the place.

by Anonymousreply 71July 12, 2019 8:57 PM

Haha R71. You NAILED it!

I'd take Mexico City (a REAL city) any day, over that Disney-fied mess known as Manhattan.

by Anonymousreply 72July 12, 2019 8:59 PM

[quote] Have fun getting kidnapped!

99.9% of people are not important enough to get kidnapped. That's what I told my mom when she expressed concern about me visiting Colombia last summer: "Ma, I'm not important enough to get kidnapped!"

by Anonymousreply 73July 12, 2019 8:59 PM

Thank you R63 and R67 -- what you've said lines up exactly with I've been hearing from people I know who were there recently (e.g., within the past year.)

The preponderance of cheap Ubers seems to be a huge plus, and they all remarked that few places seemed overrun with tourists the way so much of Europe is, which made it even nicer, though the flip is that you need to know at least some Spanish (I do.)

DL is a funny place for topics like this, as there are many DLers who are fearful of the world outside their little corner of the US.

by Anonymousreply 74July 12, 2019 9:02 PM

I was kidnapped three times in CDMX and murdered twice.

by Anonymousreply 75July 12, 2019 9:02 PM

I'm baffled by R71 and R72

The same Maiden Aunts citing crime stats in CDMX are the ones who are petrified to come to NYC because of "all the crime" or, as you note, take the subway because they are convinced it is some sort of Dickensian mugger's paradise.

If anything, our Maiden Aunt Brigadeers vacation at DIsney or at places like Branson, MO or Pigeon Forge, TN, where they can go to theme parks and theme restaurants and not have to venture outside their comfort zones.

No idea why you think they'd ever get up the courage to visit NYC?

by Anonymousreply 76July 12, 2019 9:06 PM

R63 here. Yes, the cheap Ubers have made a huge difference. 75% of my rides were $2, none over $15 (to the airport on the outskirts of the city). Wait times at all times of day no longer than 5 mins. I usually like taking metro/subways when I travel to experience like locals, but it really made no sense in CDMX.

When I go back next month, I will actually be coming in from a week in Bogota (thanks Aeromexico for the multi-city fare, two cities for the price of 1!) Bogota actually looks much rougher on all levels, should be interesting!

Sidenote: I am from SF. CDMX was much cleaner overall. As for safety, no way would you ever catch me walking the streets alone here after midnight thanks to the tweakers and gangbangers who roam the city streets knowing the soft politicians in City Hall and at the SF District Attorney's office will never prosecute them if they mug and/or beat me up (which happens all the time here).

by Anonymousreply 77July 12, 2019 9:09 PM

R76 You forgot VEGAS!

Where your Maiden Aunt can visit Paris, Venice, Egypt, and more in one block and dine in classic American style at all you can eat buffet. Cabs in front of every hotel as the tourism industry knows walking isn't easy for the obese. Just pray you get a Trumptard native driver and not some dangerous immigrant....

by Anonymousreply 78July 12, 2019 9:14 PM

Interesting R77-- I have also gotten the "so much cleaner than US cities" note from friends. who said they'd see street vendors sweeping the areas around their stalls on a regular basis, to make sure they remained clean. (And that there were a lot of street vendors selling food everywhere.)

And R78-- you are 100% correct. That was a massive oversight on my part. Vegas is MAB Central for all the reasons you mention. Thank you for catching that!

by Anonymousreply 79July 12, 2019 9:17 PM

[quote]"Ma, I'm not important enough to get kidnapped!"

until you do...

by Anonymousreply 80July 12, 2019 9:19 PM

They have great cocaine in Mexico City and carrying up to half a gram of it will not get you in trouble. Stay at the Four Seasons Hotel - after dark the neighborhood becomes rentboy central.

by Anonymousreply 81July 12, 2019 10:03 PM

You should write a travel guide for druggie whores, R81.

You'd make a ton of money.

by Anonymousreply 82July 12, 2019 10:23 PM

My Maiden Aunt's best friend, who was also a Maiden Aunt, got kidnapped in Mexico City in 1987.

by Anonymousreply 83July 12, 2019 10:44 PM

DL is full of maiden aunts who are afraid of everything.

by Anonymousreply 84July 12, 2019 10:48 PM

R84 Not really. They just travelled the world back when travelling was glamorous and reserved for the elite. When commoners didn't run rampant on flights and you could walk up to your terminal 5 minutes before takeoff without TSA ruffling a thread of your suit and tie that you reserved only for flying.

Besides, they are too busy these days at home. Why travel the world when you are a 55 year old DLer who everyone confuses for 28 and are fighting everyone at the bar (who isn't glued to their phone) off with a stick!

They saw what the world had to offer 30 years ago and don't need any more.

by Anonymousreply 85July 12, 2019 11:21 PM

[quote] without TSA ruffling a thread of your suit and tie that you reserved only for flying.

That's so perfect R85 -- very well done.

by Anonymousreply 86July 13, 2019 12:03 AM

R70's list is racist.

by Anonymousreply 87July 13, 2019 12:17 AM

I liked staying in Condesa.

Is it still considered the second-largest city in the world? I thought at one point it was -- right after Tokyo.

by Anonymousreply 88July 13, 2019 7:18 AM

There has been a sea change in Mexico from when I first lived there (2001) and visiting now. The country as a whole is far cleaner now. I remember City dump trucks tipping trash into the woods across the street from my house in 2001, and the highway into Puebla just littered on both sides as far as the eye could see. Not anymore. Recycling in huge in CDMX, and there's a much greater environmental consciousness.

Stray dogs. Everywhere in 2001, didn't even see one last time I was there.

There are parts to CDMX that are very dangerous. I hope none of you dizzy queens stumble into Ciudad Neza or Tepito . But by and large, police are dedicated to keeping tourists safe - they're all over the zócalo.

by Anonymousreply 89July 13, 2019 7:47 AM

so whats the deal? polluted or not? my friend there says not. what gives????

by Anonymousreply 90July 13, 2019 12:12 PM

It appears mostly not, R90. The link at R64 was about a week of heavy pollution they had due to wildfires, not an ongoing thing.

It seems as if there is still much work to be done, but like LA, they seem to have made a decent amount of progress.

by Anonymousreply 91July 13, 2019 3:02 PM

Ciudad Neza and Tepito are delightful places, R89. They are picturesque and have an active vibrant gay community. I highly recommend.

by Anonymousreply 92July 13, 2019 4:16 PM

Tepito is where all the Gay4Pay whores go to die...

by Anonymousreply 93July 13, 2019 4:21 PM

From anecdotal experience, I think the pollution is weather driven. This last March when I was there, it was picture perfect clear.

Yes, R89. I had a coworker who grew up in Mexico City (back when it was referred to as DF). We worked together in the early 2000s. She strongly advised against a visit to DF based on safety. She also mentioned she'd rather starve than eat any street food as there were stray dogs who pooped everywhere and the wind blew it around all over the streets.

I didn't see one dog there.

PVR had a lot of stray cats though. I attribute to it all the North American ex-pat queens needing to have their pussies.

by Anonymousreply 94July 13, 2019 4:39 PM

Why would I want to go to place where they kidnap tourists? No thanks.

by Anonymousreply 95July 13, 2019 5:44 PM

I've been there three times in the last ten years, most recently in 2017. My experiences may be skewed because I'm always picked up - or delivered - at the airport by a car from the hotel (wise, btw) and have the use of a friend's car and driver if I need it when I'm there as she is a government official. Sounds sweet, huh?

In some ways it is - we always go to great restaurants with her. But I have learned, both through her and by observation, that it's not somewhere comparable to NYC. For instance, wherever we go out to dinner and she's driving her own car, her car is tailed by one or two other vehicles, both for protection en route and because, as she told me, - sort of like, "What, are you crazy? You never give your car to a valet to park it: that's when they put the bomb underneath." One of her people will hop out of one of the cars that accompany us and take the keys to hers, staying with it until we've finished dinner. I thought it had something to do with her government service but one night we were having a drink in the lobby bar of the Westin (it's a Hilton now, I think) on the Avenida Juarez and saw guests arriving (at, like, 11 pm) for what was obviously a high-buck wedding. Every one of them did the same thing - nobody, or at least nobody wealthy - hands the keys to the valet. One of their employees following them drove off in their car.

Other than that, I've seen little to make me think it's lawless or dangerous. And I've enjoyed myself each time I've been there. Great museums, a lot of history, terrific clubs, and some incredible food. The zoo is great, as are the pyramids (a day trip, though) and there's a lively modern art scene as well. And genuinely nice people, too.

by Anonymousreply 96July 13, 2019 6:10 PM

YourMillenialFriend, you bitch. You almost got me kidnapped! I guess you're not a friend at all!

by Anonymousreply 97July 13, 2019 6:26 PM

Like some one would kidnap you welfare queens.

by Anonymousreply 98July 13, 2019 6:47 PM

It’s a normal defensive strategy technique for at-risk clients to use multiple vehicles with security. That a security pro will drive the vehicles and manage the parking so no other person can approach the vehicle is very sensible. This is true anywhere.

Your friend shows uncommon good sense in her personal security team. I expect they use different times and routes as well, along with varying the vehicles.

by Anonymousreply 99July 13, 2019 6:50 PM

Yes, R99, she does. It's just that in most countries, economists aren't all that high up on the threat rankings.

by Anonymousreply 100July 13, 2019 7:03 PM

R96’s friend sounds important and wealthy. I wonder how they are acquainted. Perhaps her personal shopper when she goes to NYC?

I remember going to NYC once and needing to use the bathroom at Bergdorf Goodman. However some ostentatious shopbottom firmly announced to some bouncer looking guy wearing sunglasses, a suit, and an earpiece that Guadalupe insisted she would only visit from Mexico City if the store could ensure she had the same security back home.

I wasn’t able to use the restroom there, so I just received myself outside in front of four black SUVs that looked like security detail cars.

by Anonymousreply 101July 13, 2019 7:18 PM

R100. It’s less about what the individual does than how they’re connected to others in power: it’s an inflection point. It can be a question of family or professional connections that creates the security metric for threat assessment.

by Anonymousreply 102July 13, 2019 7:22 PM

R102 is making me hard when he uses words like "security metric for threat assessment"

by Anonymousreply 103July 13, 2019 7:25 PM

R103. Let me show you my giant undercarriage mirror

by Anonymousreply 104July 13, 2019 7:27 PM

Lol

by Anonymousreply 105July 13, 2019 7:29 PM

R104 you must be the lowly paid hotel clerk whose job it is to pretend like they can do anything a bomb threat by sticking a piece of glass under arriving taxis in the front of the hotel in virtually every third world country.

When in reality all they do is slow you down from checking in after 10+ hours of international travel.

by Anonymousreply 106July 13, 2019 7:32 PM

R101 is making me laugh, wondering how she received herself outside on Fifth Avenue.

And don't diss shopbottoms. We met one on the QE2 on a cruise to Hawaii 20 years ago. He worked at Saks in NYC and had one of the largest suites on the ship.

As we were walking down the gangplank in Honolulu, he was waving at Mrs. Edgar Kaiser, one of his customers. She had a hula dancer and a Hawaiian band waiting to greet him on the pier.

by Anonymousreply 107July 13, 2019 7:34 PM

No, but that’s a theory. I’ve worked in cyber security and physical threat for the last 30 years. But if it makes you happy to subjugate others, you can just roll with that.

Next time you’re in Mexico, check out the electronics stores and pick up a personal GSM scanner and jammer. They’re technically illegal here. The few you can find suck ass. The ones in Mexico can be installed in a vehicle which makes them quite useful for identifying “why is a cell phone strapped under my car?” That works for remote attack. Many of them just use the phone as a timer.

by Anonymousreply 108July 13, 2019 7:37 PM

R107 I’m sure that was the highlight of her life.

And sorry if I’m not impressed by a hula dancer or Hawaiian band greeting. Shit, fraus all over the country can pull off the same thing for their wedding reception any day.

No offense to shop bottoms, but Mary!

by Anonymousreply 109July 13, 2019 7:40 PM

R108 yes the highlight of most travellers’ itineraries is to waste their time finding all those bombs under their cars.

But thank you for sharing with us how important your work is for important people.

As usual, a DL post devolves into another queen having to share how special and important she is. It would be nice if one of you could all ask us if we care first.

We might save you some typing time and us seconds of reading time that we’ll never get back.

by Anonymousreply 110July 13, 2019 7:43 PM

R110 You sure spent a lot of time typing words that said nothing.

by Anonymousreply 111July 13, 2019 8:00 PM

R108 is the Gay McGyver!!!

by Anonymousreply 112July 13, 2019 8:26 PM

Let’s get back to CDMX for everyday DLers. This is relevant to me and why I came here.

If I wanted Macgyver I’d look for reruns on Netflix or Lifetime or whatever.

by Anonymousreply 113July 13, 2019 8:30 PM

There is a noticeable lack of homelessness on the streets (unlike major American cities). I was told that the family is such a strong institution, home there is where you go and they have to take you in.

I saw a few homeless young men dossed down in front of a church in Condesa, and that was it (2016).

by Anonymousreply 114July 13, 2019 8:43 PM

The other great thing about Mexico City is the LACK of American franchises, i.e. stores. There are the usual fast food things and also Starbucks, but you get a much better sampling of their culture without having to see a GAP or a CVS on every corner. Although I will admit, that sometimes when I was lost, I would duck into a Starbucks because for some reason the baristas always knew English and would always help me figure out directions.

by Anonymousreply 115July 13, 2019 8:54 PM

You can spend a couple of days just gazing at all the Diego Rivera works in public spaces around the city (tip: take binoculars).

by Anonymousreply 116July 13, 2019 8:57 PM

R114. Mexico implemented a law in 1995 to reduce child poverty and homelessness - The General Law on the Rights of Children. It also protects children on the basis of sexual orientation. This guarantees all children safe places to live, food, education and medical care.

by Anonymousreply 117July 13, 2019 9:25 PM

R115 Agree. I was going to check out the Antara Mall because everyone recommended it and I was on my way to the Jumex and Soumaya anyway, but then I saw it was all American brands (down to a Panda Express in the food court) and I did a hard pass.

I never understood the appeal of travelling thousands of miles to shop at the same store you can find at any basic local mall. Reminds me of the time I finally made it to the Gran Via in Madrid and all I saw was a big ass H&M, Primark, and Nike store. WTF? It's the same cheap shit you could find at home made by the same sweatshop labor in Bangladesh, China, Vietnam.... I get it's an "experience," but seems to miss the point of travel.

I will say the Starbucks are also a lifesaver for bathrooms and free wifi. Perfect spot to stand out front and call your Uber, and several other savvy tourists figured that out.

by Anonymousreply 118July 13, 2019 9:52 PM

R114, it's the same reason why you see few homeless Latino people in the US.

by Anonymousreply 119July 14, 2019 12:58 AM

I've received services for the homeless at various agencies. In my area, the Latino population is about the same as white, but there were very few Latinos or Asians. Whites and blacks made up the vast majority of the people receiving services.

by Anonymousreply 120July 14, 2019 1:45 AM

And I thought standing in front of Starbucks using their wifi was an original idea of mine.

by Anonymousreply 121July 14, 2019 3:18 AM

my friend living there, says tons of americans are moving to mex city, so very cheap, and great food bla bla… many of us on fixed income may do well to go there, im considering it... he says once u learn the areas in town to avoid, its a breeze.

by Anonymousreply 122July 14, 2019 12:24 PM

Went there on a job last August and had a great time-granted we were put in a posh hotel in the Paseo de la Reforma district, was given per diems, and had drivers. But on our off time, felt completely safe walking around (gay white man and Asian woman). There was bad air quality at the time (reminded me of when I first moved to L.A. in the early 90's). I found it more expensive that I thought (Polanco is pretty expensive). Found out from an American ex-pat why there was a lot of public snogging (and possibly the very public sex in the metro)- since Mexico is still very Catholic, it's frowned upon to have non marital sex at home. Apparently they have love hotels like the Japanese do. Some are set up such that you can drive into a garage and walk right into your suite. Even married couples with children use love hotels because they don't want their kids knowing/seeing/hearing them having sex.

by Anonymousreply 123July 14, 2019 1:30 PM

R120, that's because American whites and blacks are majority Protestants/Pentecostal. I mean, Catholicism is definitely messed up and the world knows about it, but Protestants have their own layer of f'ed-upness.

by Anonymousreply 124July 14, 2019 4:47 PM

"was given per diems"

by Anonymousreply 125July 14, 2019 6:45 PM

My favorite place to stay in Mexico City. Red Tree House -- gay-owned by two very nice men.

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by Anonymousreply 126July 14, 2019 7:32 PM

^^^Love that place and the hotties who wok there!

by Anonymousreply 127July 14, 2019 10:01 PM

I've always wanted to go, but kept putting it off for all of the usual reasons ... but now I'm getting older and realize it's now or never. So.... 66-year old white male. I speak Spanish reasonably well (but not like a native) and can read it even better. But I'm hesitant to go alone. But I've never found any tours that go there. What are the alternatives? Go there alone and then just take day tours (I'm sure those must exist)?

by Anonymousreply 128July 14, 2019 10:29 PM

R128 You are in a great place and time to go. CDMX is more tourist-friendly and ready than ever! Cleaner, safer, and so much to offer on a cosmopolitan level.

A few tips to get you started:

1) If you don’t already use it, get to be comfortable with Uber. It will help you get from point to point seamlessly there. No fussing with maps, directions, etc. Doesn’t substitute for exploring on foot, but resolves all transportation issues.

2) No need for tours for most locations. Most museums and historical sites can be experienced alone. Many are clustered around each other so you can make a day out of certain areas (Chapultepec, Polanco, Centro Histórico, Coyoacán, etc).

3) The only tours you’d want to take are the pyramids and Teotihuacan and perhaps Xochimilco, simply to make transportation and logistics easier. You can find all sorts of reputable tours (with reviews from past patrons) on TripAdvisor, Expedia, Viator. They’ll arrange logistics for you and you’ll have a guide for the day.

4) Get your mind out of the first v third world bubble. Mexico City is a cosmopolitan city. No, it won’t perfect and pristine but you will be surprised at how sophisticated it and its citizens are once you take your “but it’s Mexico...” blinders off.

5) Scour the web. All sorts of blogs, articles, resources, tips and tricks abound. You are going to benefit from the collective wisdom and experience of locals and foreigners alike.

Final tip, I’d recommend going in Feb or March. Spring there and the city comes alive. Weather is basically Southern California. They days are also longer.

No time like the present for sure!

by Anonymousreply 129July 14, 2019 11:11 PM

Is the altitude of Mexico City a problem?

Nobody here has yet mentioned that Mexico City is 7,382 feet above sea level. That's like 2000 feet higher than Denver.

Does that pose a problem, especially with the added burden of air pollution?

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by Anonymousreply 130July 14, 2019 11:18 PM

What documents are required to travel to Mexico City?

Just a passport?

by Anonymousreply 131July 14, 2019 11:25 PM

From anecdotal experience and conversations with others, altitude may be a problem for inactive folks and/or folks who are there for intense physical activity (athletes for an event). Even then, it takes a day or two of taking it easy and not trying to cram too much into your schedule to acclimate.

If you are American, only a passport is required. As a rule of thumb, it’s a good idea to not have your passport expiration date within 6 mos of planned international travel.

by Anonymousreply 132July 14, 2019 11:37 PM

I would also recommend you check out Airbnb experiences R128

I do them whenever I travel. They are usually much smaller and more intimate than a standard tour, e.g., it's you, the guide and two or three other people, and they're often shorter (two hours) and the guides are, say, an art history grad student who can offer you a unique perspective on a museum. They can also be fun, e.g., a beer tour of Munich where you go to two out of the way breweries, etc.

In CDMX several friends had recommended going to a lucha libre show. Have not booked it yet, but definitely plan to do that when I go.

And thank you R129, you are also confirming a lot of what I've heard and adding some additional info, so much appreciated.

by Anonymousreply 133July 15, 2019 12:46 AM

[quote] several friends had recommended going to a lucha libre show

Go see this one. Should be entertaining!

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by Anonymousreply 134July 15, 2019 1:10 AM

R131, if you're American, you only need a passport for any trip of 6 months or less.

by Anonymousreply 135July 15, 2019 3:28 AM

Any good real estate sites?

by Anonymousreply 136July 15, 2019 5:07 AM

It has the most beautiful architecture in the world and it has always been a cultural meeting place. However, it is very high altitude. I think some people who attribute their breathing problems to pollution are probably suffering from altitude sickness. Yes, it has been bad pollution, having 200,000 factories and surrounded by mountains. However, I don't think it is as bad as say the London coal smog of the 50s or the Los Angeles smog of the 70s or certainly compared to Beijing smog. I think the addition of altitude is what creates the difficulty for visitors, who are not there long enough to overcome this.

by Anonymousreply 137July 15, 2019 5:19 AM

where do I pick up nice whores, not trampy thieves???

by Anonymousreply 138July 15, 2019 2:21 PM

R138 probably time to move out of wherever you are if that’s what you encountering

by Anonymousreply 139July 15, 2019 4:00 PM

I've always wanted to go but the kidnappings scared me off.

by Anonymousreply 140July 15, 2019 6:00 PM

I looked into going but backed out after learning the expense of having to hire a full time security detail.

by Anonymousreply 141July 15, 2019 6:11 PM

I looked into going but backed out after learning the expense of having to hire a full time security detail.

by Anonymousreply 142July 15, 2019 6:11 PM

I just HATE getting kidnapped! Ugh!

by Anonymousreply 143July 15, 2019 6:13 PM

Especially kidnapped by cheap whores who speak some weird Latin goobledygook like at Taco Bell.

by Anonymousreply 144July 15, 2019 6:18 PM

Looks like the DEPLORABLES have invaded this thread from R140, on...

by Anonymousreply 145July 15, 2019 7:58 PM

Well then the deplorables can enjoy Branson and Pigeon Forge, Mexico City is waiting for the rest of us!

by Anonymousreply 146July 15, 2019 8:25 PM

R145, kidnapping is a real problem in Mexico, that is not up for debate.

Just stay in a nice place like Polanco or Las Lomas. The National Palace (El Palacio Nacional) is one of the crowning jewels of Mexico City.

by Anonymousreply 147July 15, 2019 8:29 PM

Supposedly they look for people with MAGA hats and listen for people speaking about how much they love Trump in order to find their kidnapping victims, so if this is you, I'd stay clear.

by Anonymousreply 148July 15, 2019 8:38 PM

Palacio Nacional is in Centro Historico, however, and you’d be best advised to avoid that area at night - unless you have your security detail rerouting your routes every night so the poor streetgangs can’t track your movements with cell phone car bombs and all.

Polanco and Las Lomas are nice and safe but pricey and filled with Mexican nationals who have more money than you can imagine and are thus stuck up and uptight as well as terrified foreigners certain they will be kidnapped and are thus uptight as well.

Condesa, the area around Reforma (bordering Polanco and Chapultepec), and even Zona Rosa are much livelier and interesting places to stay and base yourself. Tons of tourists and amenities catering to them.

by Anonymousreply 149July 15, 2019 8:40 PM

Palacio Nacional is in Centro Historico, however, and you’d be best advised to avoid that area at night - unless you have your security detail rerouting your routes every night so the poor streetgangs can’t track your movements with cell phone car bombs and all.

Polanco and Las Lomas are nice and safe but pricey and filled with Mexican nationals who have more money than you can imagine and are thus stuck up and uptight as well as terrified foreigners certain they will be kidnapped and are thus uptight as well.

Condesa, the area around Reforma (bordering Polanco and Chapultepec), and even Zona Rosa are much livelier and interesting places to stay and base yourself. Tons of tourists and amenities catering to them.

by Anonymousreply 150July 15, 2019 8:40 PM

One more time, R150!

by Anonymousreply 151July 15, 2019 8:41 PM

LOL R150

Because Mexican street gangs are going to be planting cell phone car bombs on the Ubers taken by Khris (not original spelling) Jones, assistant manager at Williams Sonoma in the Mall of East Central Flyoverstan and current Datalounger.

SMH

by Anonymousreply 152July 15, 2019 8:44 PM

R150 here - not sure why DL is duplicating my posts. For $1.50 a mo., I’m not sure I’m getting my contribution’s worth!

Then again one can never underscore the importance of the kidnapping threats against middle aged DLers with “I’m a Gringo looking for some Pingo but don’t kidnap me or give me the Runs!” written on their foreheads.

by Anonymousreply 153July 15, 2019 8:49 PM

R152 Williams Sonoma is a big deal in CDMX. There is one in the Liverpool mall in Polanco on the corner. Next to the Olive Garden. I worked out at Energy Fitness across the street there (eye candy galore) and noticed their prominence.

Khris is definitely a prime target for the local street gangs. Those 14 year olds know Assistant Sales Manager in Bumfuck, Flyoverstan for WILLIAMS SONOMA make $38,000 a year. They probably have retirement savings that Khris can withdraw at a Banamex ATM to the tune of $12,000!

Definitely prime bombing and kidnapping target.

by Anonymousreply 154July 15, 2019 9:05 PM

Thank you R154! That's what I heard about Mexico City too. I'd be too terrified of kidnapping the whole trip.

by Anonymousreply 155July 15, 2019 9:13 PM

R150, you don't know what you are talking about. You have more chance of getting blown up in NYC, a city 10 times more prone to terrorism than any Latin American city.

R148, believe it or not people wearing M A G A hats do come to Mexico for tourism.

Polanco is where all the nice Italian, Jewish, and Franco-Catholics live. OP , I just did a search on Airbnb to see what the prices would be for a week July 17-24 and most fell within the $400 mark for a week.

However, my favorite was this adorable apartment for $68 a night, own by what appears to be a gay couple name Rodolfo and Francisco.

For some reason Datalounge no longer links to Airbnb Hmmmm

https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/246057?source_impression_id=p3_1563221550_tHjN2n6Eh5lc42nv

by Anonymousreply 156July 15, 2019 9:18 PM

R155 you're welcome. Can't wait to see your vacation pics from the Petunia Festival in Branson.

Or is this year the exotic trip, to Margaritaville Casino in Shreveport? Like going to Mexico for real margaritas, but no kidnappings!

by Anonymousreply 157July 15, 2019 9:19 PM

R156 that’s crazy. $400 a night to be surrounded by kidnappers?

Even $70 a night to be at Pedro and Pablo’s place is not worth it.

For $89.99 a night I can stay at the Travelodge down the highway, across from the country fair and that includes breakfast with all you can eat Cheerios and unlimited coffee refills. The only crime I have to worry about there are jaywalkers crossing the highway to get to the 7-11 on the other side!

by Anonymousreply 158July 15, 2019 9:28 PM

I think someone is having some fun with our DLMAs about CDMX and they are taking the bait.

by Anonymousreply 159July 15, 2019 9:28 PM

I always figure that if someone kidnaps me, they're just wasting their time, as there is NO ONE who'd pay to ransom me.

by Anonymousreply 160July 15, 2019 10:55 PM

r156, your link doesn't work....

by Anonymousreply 161July 16, 2019 1:16 AM

He must have been kidnapped. Should have told his detail to turn left and not right. The cartels have him now.

by Anonymousreply 162July 16, 2019 2:00 AM

Some of the Airbnb's come with your own security detail and for 50 pesos more your host will come and swap cars with you at the restaurant.

by Anonymousreply 163July 16, 2019 2:03 AM

What if the host gets kidnapped? It’s a thing in Mexico City!!!

And will I get food poisoning at the restaurant?

by Anonymousreply 164July 16, 2019 2:11 AM

Mexico City: Arrive with two kidneys and go home with one!

by Anonymousreply 165July 16, 2019 2:24 AM

Good point R164. I think they may have backup hosts in case your first host gets kidnapped.

And stick to Olive Garden and other familiar restaurants and you should be fine.

by Anonymousreply 166July 16, 2019 2:29 AM

Do they have Taco Bell?

by Anonymousreply 167July 16, 2019 2:31 AM

Sadly no, R167

Taco Bell has tried to enter the Mexican market twice and failed both times Although Americans view Taco Bell's food as great-tasting "Mexican" food, Residents in Mexico view Taco Bell's food differently. Taco Bell first tried to enter the Mexican market in 1992, but its restaurants all closed within two years. Taco Bell tried again in 2007 to successfully open a restaurant in Mexico City. This time, the company made sure to heavily emphasize the fact that Taco Bell's food is very much "Americanized;" thus, adding French fries to the menu. Unfortunately, this strategy also failed, and the Mexico City Taco Bell closed down in 2010. For those who have experienced authentic, Mexican food, the taste of Taco Bell's menu does not go over well, and for Mexico's residents, this is the case – they want nothing to do with Taco Bell.

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by Anonymousreply 168July 16, 2019 2:39 AM

What will the other patrons think if you bring a cheap whore into Olive Garden there?

by Anonymousreply 169July 16, 2019 2:39 AM

Who wants some nasty sodium, lard, and preservative filled taco made of frozen ingredients that you have to go into some fluorescent-lit cheap store to buy when you can have an freshly made taco made in front of your eyes by some sweet grandma at a street cart on an adorable tree-lined CDMX Street?

Yeah, Taco Bell was toast from the start.

by Anonymousreply 170July 16, 2019 3:03 AM

The largest Kmart in the world used to be in Mexico City.

by Anonymousreply 171July 16, 2019 3:11 AM

Not to mention the Costco is in Polanco, just across the street from Saks Fifth Avenue and the Soumaya, housing all of Carlos Slim’s privately acquired works of art.

by Anonymousreply 172July 16, 2019 3:25 AM

Probably not too many kidnappings by cartels in Branson.

by Anonymousreply 173July 16, 2019 4:21 AM

[quote] Who wants some nasty sodium, lard, and preservative filled taco made of frozen ingredients that you have to go into some fluorescent-lit cheap store to buy when you can have an freshly made taco made in front of your eyes

You won't be shitting in your pants the entire trip, for starters

At least you know that Taco Bell goes by American standards of food safety.

by Anonymousreply 174July 16, 2019 4:31 AM

Except you would be in Mexico where American standards don’t necessarily apply, especially if Jeff from Quality Control in Peoria doesn’t make his scheduled franchise visit from the airport due to being kidnapped.

by Anonymousreply 175July 16, 2019 5:01 AM

my buddys there tell me they hire lots of way hot mex and euro hores there in m city. good clean meat.

by Anonymousreply 176July 16, 2019 11:34 AM

^^^ those who is who have been can vouch for this. No need to pay if you’re not gross.

All the hot Mexicans (rich/attractive/winners) stay there and are way suave. Melt your manties right off... aye!

Thank goodness Euros are far more adventurous thank Americans and always looking for a good time wherever they are all over the world.

Can’t wait to be back next month!

by Anonymousreply 177July 16, 2019 10:47 PM

But it's never the good looking ones that kidnap you.

by Anonymousreply 178July 17, 2019 3:27 AM

I met a cute whore in the park there and caught syphilis.

by Anonymousreply 179July 17, 2019 5:10 AM

neighborhoods in mex city to avoid?????

by Anonymousreply 180July 18, 2019 5:24 PM

An episode of “The Romanovs” was set there and the city looked lovely.

by Anonymousreply 181July 19, 2019 11:25 PM

[quote]The largest Kmart in the world used to be in Mexico City.

And they destroyed a newly found archeological site similar to the Chinese Warrior statues in order to build it. Invaluable History of ancient civilizations in Mexico lost forever thanks to Walmart.

by Anonymousreply 182July 19, 2019 11:38 PM

R182 How much did Walmart discount them when it put the states on sale?

by Anonymousreply 183July 19, 2019 11:44 PM

That would imply that archeologist were given time to rescue them. Whoops.

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by Anonymousreply 184July 20, 2019 12:06 AM

r182 Why would Walmart have anything to do with building a Kmart?

by Anonymousreply 185July 20, 2019 1:09 AM

So, more than 50% off?

by Anonymousreply 186July 20, 2019 2:55 AM

Wal Mart, K-Mart - as long as they accept US food stamps no one in Mexico cares which is which.

by Anonymousreply 187July 21, 2019 9:04 AM

any downsides to livin there??

by Anonymousreply 188July 23, 2019 11:40 AM

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by Anonymousreply 189July 24, 2019 4:08 AM

Utah couple visiting Mexico killed execution-style in front of son

According to local reports, the couple was with their son, Kevin, and had been ordered to stop by a group of armed men.

They were allegedly pulled over on Thursday around 3:30 a.m. and asked to exit their vehicle, upon which they were all shot — including Kevin, the reports say.

The boy survived, but suffered a nervous breakdown and had to be treated at a local hospital. His parents were both shot in the head.

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by Anonymousreply 190July 24, 2019 6:04 AM

O.M.G. at R190.

That is beyond horrific.

That poor kid is only 12 years old, and he had to watch both of his parents shot dead right in front of his eyes.

He will be fucked up beyond belief, and for the rest of his life.

by Anonymousreply 191July 24, 2019 7:49 AM

Remind me never to go to Mexico, after reading R190.

by Anonymousreply 192July 24, 2019 9:19 PM

Narco Shootouts Rock Mexico City, Shattering Its Haven Status

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by Anonymousreply 193August 4, 2019 6:08 AM

It's like Chicago. It's a beautiful and world class city. But there's a bunch of murders still going on. Or Texas with a walk to a store results in 20 people killed.

by Anonymousreply 194August 4, 2019 6:17 AM

im movin there cause I can live like king on my 1500 a month soc sec......what should I be scared of?

by Anonymousreply 195August 5, 2019 5:32 AM

You should be afraid of never doing it. You have been talking about it forever but you have all of your collectibles to worry about. I have never met anyone who procrastinates as much as you do. Stop talking about it and do it.

by Anonymousreply 196August 5, 2019 6:04 AM

what u talking bout? I have no collectiblers. this is a new adventure for me...

by Anonymousreply 197August 5, 2019 6:09 AM

You have been posting about this "planned" move forever but you never go.

by Anonymousreply 198August 5, 2019 6:19 AM

this was my first post. wtf? dude ur weird

by Anonymousreply 199August 5, 2019 6:56 AM

go to Mexico and to slaughter !

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by Anonymousreply 200August 5, 2019 7:03 AM

Planning a visit for 2020 - this is a great thread to follow. Just ignore the idiots.

by Anonymousreply 201August 5, 2019 1:08 PM

yea why such negative turdys?

by Anonymousreply 202August 6, 2019 3:59 AM

Those of you who are saying Mexico is safe?

It's not really.

Just over the weekend, 19 bodies were found hanging from an overpass.

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by Anonymousreply 203August 8, 2019 9:32 PM

MEXICO CITY (AP) — Mexican police found nine bodies hanging from an overpass Thursday alongside a drug cartel banner threatening rivals, and seven more corpses hacked up and dumped by the road nearby. Just down the road were three more bodies, for a total of 19.

The killing spree reported by prosecutors in the western state of Michoacan marked a return to the grisly massacres carried out by drug cartels at the height of Mexico's 2006-2012 drug war, when piles of bodies were dumped on roadways as a message to authorities and rival gangs.

Two of the bodies hung by ropes from the overpass by their necks, half naked, were women, as was one of the dismembered bodies found in the city of Uruapan, Michoacan Attorney General Adrián López Solís said at a news conference.

The victims had been shot to death. Some were hung with their hands bound, some with their pants pulled down.

While the banner was not completely legible, it bore the initials of the notoriously violent Jalisco drug cartel, and mentioned the Viagras, a rival gang. "Be a patriot, kill a Viagra," the banner read in part.

"This kind of public, theatrical violence, where you don't just kill, but you brag about killing, is meant to intimidate rivals and send a message to the authorities," said Mexico security analyst Alejandro Hope.

"This kind of cynical impunity has been increasing in Michoacan," Hope added.

In one particularly brazen attack in May, a convoy of pickups and SUVs openly marked with the letters "CJNG" — the Spanish initials of The Jalisco New Generation Cartel — drove through the city of Zamora, Michoacan, at night, shooting up police vehicles and killing or wounding several officers.

The state attorney general said the killings discovered Thursday appeared to be part of a turf war.

"Certain criminal gangs are fighting over territory, to control activities related to drug production distribution and consumption," López Solís said. "Unfortunately, this conflict results in these kinds of acts that justifiably alarm the public."

For years, Mexican cartels had seemed loath to draw attention to themselves with mass public displays of bodies. Instead, the gangs went to great lengths to hide bodies, by creating clandestine burial pits or dissolving corpses in caustic chemicals.

But the Jalisco gang, which has gained a reputation for directly challenging authorities, appears to have returned to showy killings as a way to intimidate rivals.

In 2011, the then-smaller Jalisco cartel dumped 35 bodies on an expressway in the Gulf coast state of Veracruz. In 2012, the Zetas drug cartel dumped 49 decapitated bodies on a highway in northern Mexico, and that same year they strung nine bodies from an overpass and left 14 severed heads near the city hall.

Meanwhile, in another part of Mexico, an angry crowd beat and hung five suspected kidnappers, leaving some of their bodies dangling from trees.

The suspects had been detained by about 180 villagers in the central state of Puebla. The state government said police and soldiers were sent to the area to try to stop the attack, but villagers from the hamlets of Tepexco and Cohuecan wouldn't let them.

When homicides dropped for a few years between 2012 and 2015, many thought Mexico's drug war was winding down.

But homicides surged again last year and Mexico now has more murders than it did during the peak year of killings in 2011.

In the first half of 2019, Mexico set a record for homicides, with 17,608, up 5.3% compared to the same period of 2018. The country of almost 125 million now sees as many as 100 killings a day nationwide.

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by Anonymousreply 204August 8, 2019 9:33 PM

And 22 people murdered in Texas in about 5 minutes, The USA isn't very safe.

by Anonymousreply 205August 8, 2019 9:33 PM

Mexican police are doing a "heck" of a job. Rofl.

by Anonymousreply 206August 8, 2019 9:34 PM

It’s one of the most heavily polluted cities on the planet, is it not? Right up there with Beijing and Mumbai.

by Anonymousreply 207August 8, 2019 9:36 PM

If you take the entirety of the region, the slums are overwhelming. Inner parts are best, those close to the Federal district. There is great food and excellent museums. Traffic is a nightmare, even taking Uber is an adventure.

by Anonymousreply 208August 8, 2019 9:41 PM

Don't drink the water!

by Anonymousreply 209August 8, 2019 10:04 PM

Reading comprehension fail: "Mexico City"

C'mon ladies, you can do better than this.

Anyway, I'm off to Mexico City in three weeks. Going to stay in fabulous Condesa where all the young, beautiful, professional, sophisticates live colorful lives filled with energy. I'm sure I'll once again see other jetsetters doing the same and taking advantage of a vastly underrated travel adventure.

Enjoy scouring the internet for drug cartel violence in your studio apartments or Flyoverstan where you are probably hiding from the heat and humidity and rising gas prices. Or both!

Viva CDMX!

by Anonymousreply 210August 8, 2019 11:50 PM

LOL you don't think it will be hotter in Mexico?

by Anonymousreply 211August 8, 2019 11:54 PM

I know it won’t.

You know, there are actual weather reports and statistics out there for anyone to look up.

Keep scouting that web for drug cartel statistics in Michoacán and Jalisco while hiding out from deranged white male mass shooters in Flyoverstan, hell even in California.

by Anonymousreply 212August 9, 2019 12:13 AM

r212 why are you so aggressively defending Mexico City? Are you two engaged? Did the US molest you?

Also you know you're only visiting, right? You're going to have to come back to the "hellish US" sooner or later.

by Anonymousreply 213August 9, 2019 12:32 AM

Also you can hide your name all you like, but we know it's still you, 'YourMillennialFriend', posting a quarter of the responses in this thread, with your personally-offended and snotty responses.

by Anonymousreply 214August 9, 2019 12:44 AM

[quote] And FWIW [R1], it's been a pretty universal "I never felt unsafe."

Did men and women say that? Or just men?

by Anonymousreply 215August 9, 2019 12:52 AM

[quote] I never understood the appeal of travelling thousands of miles to shop at the same store you can find at any basic local mall. Reminds me of the time I finally made it to the Gran Via in Madrid and all I saw was a big ass H&M, Primark, and Nike store. WTF? It's the same cheap shit you could find at home made by the same sweatshop labor in Bangladesh, China, Vietnam.... I get it's an "experience," but seems to miss the point of travel.

Mm, they're not there for you, hon. They're for the locals to shop in. Not everything is set up for *your* vacationing pleasure.

by Anonymousreply 216August 9, 2019 1:18 AM

Both R215

Though none of the women were solo travelers.

As for the narco killings, there is plenty of that in US cities too.

If you read the articles, the various drug gangs are killing and kidnapping each other, not random American tourists walking around the Frida Kahlo museum

by Anonymousreply 217August 9, 2019 1:21 AM

R213 Perhaps you should ask yourself the same question. This post was about the tourism boom in Mexico City and specifics thereto.

Why do you keep returning to promote your off-topic hysteria over Mexican drug cartel violence in different locations involving non-tourists?

Are you also the same poster that comes back with his low-brow humor to drop "Montezuma's Revenge" again and again like a 12-year old as well?

I happen to like travelling. I also happen to like Mexico City. Yes I've defended it.

What's your problem? Did Diego reject you on Grindr? Did Pablo break your heart in college? Did Guadalupe the Mexican cashier at Taco Bell laugh in your 300-pound face when you ordered a Gordo? For something you care so little about, you're quite invested.

No, I am not that twat YourMillenialFriend who only comes here to argue with people. I'm here to defend a city a love visiting.

I also suspect there is a Trolltina in here who is butthurt she can't travel the world like some of us, which is not really a big deal, so she must have various issues to not be able to enjoy such a simple experience. She's trolled me hard but her idiotic mindset always gets the best of her and her loser, deadbeat true colors come out. Yeah, that's your R216.

You've clearly never travelled to Madrid to the same location or much anywhere else for that matter. Those stores on Gran Via were teeming with tourists, as are many major shopping districts. I didn't say they were for me and not for not the locals, that's your own reading comprehension fail. I merely questioned why so many tourists would travel thousands of miles just to shop at Zara or H&M or Primark - which they do as I witnessed with my own eyes & ears hearing all the American and British accents.

Some of you should get out of your house from time to time. You read untraveled welfare recipients.

by Anonymousreply 218August 9, 2019 1:52 AM

R210 Have fun breathing the filthy air.

by Anonymousreply 219August 9, 2019 1:54 AM

R219 Oh I will. It's amazing how even in a city with filthy air the days just seem to fly by and I can't do everything there is to do. I'm sure I'll be thinking about my return!

by Anonymousreply 220August 9, 2019 1:59 AM

R218, clearly NOT arguing with anyone, lol

by Anonymousreply 221August 9, 2019 2:05 AM

[quote] No, I am not that twat YourMillenialFriend who only comes here to argue with people.

You're someone else who comes here to argue with people. And we enjoy pushing your buttons. Keep it up. We're having fun.

by Anonymousreply 222August 9, 2019 2:12 AM

Not as much fun as I'm having trying to get you all to come up with something new.

But nope, it's always some same version 1) I'm a loser with a juvenile sense of humor or 2) I'm a loser who can't travel. It's obvious you know so little about things and that's the joke.

At least Millenial has wit.

by Anonymousreply 223August 9, 2019 2:19 AM

But you just called millennial a twat

How is a twat witty?

by Anonymousreply 224August 9, 2019 2:28 AM

r218 I am an American who just finished living a few years in the UK and Ireland, and have traveled extensively. I have avoided South America because it is frightening and more lawless and corrupt. Yes, there are clean, pristine enclaves where the police are well-bribed and the tourists can visit, but it's certainly less safe than the US, which you have repeatedly bashed in your attempt to make everyone fall in love with the "new" Mexico City.

It's really sad that your go-to response for anything is:

1) Accuse someone of being fat

2) Accuse someone of being poor

3) Accuse someone of being a general loser, who in your estimation is (apparently) fat and poor

You're a raging, snobby cunt, dear. Own it.

by Anonymousreply 225August 9, 2019 2:34 AM

The "dear" at the end was unnecessary, R225, but otherwise you win this round.

by Anonymousreply 226August 9, 2019 2:38 AM

R225 You read your intelligent, traveled self. Kudos to you.

However, those dissidents in this thread fall far short of your standards. They get the treatment they deserve and dish out as well. We're talking low class judging by their insights and comments.

Did I go low too? Oh well, serves them right.

I'm not trying to make everyone fall in love with the new Mexico City. Nothing's making them go there or to this post, but if they come like they have, they get what they have.

Fair play is turnabout.

by Anonymousreply 227August 9, 2019 2:54 AM

Just came back from Union Square thinking I could squeeze some quick shopping in before the mad rush of people around lunch.

All the stores were teeming with tourists in their shorts and sweatshirts who don't know 1) it's cold in SF in August and 2) THESE STORES ARE FOR LOCALS like R216 said. Don't they know they're not for tourists' vacationing pleasure???

I mean who puts stores in the middle of tourist traps like Plaza del Sol an Union Square when they know only locals will go.

Everyone who has travelled knows tourists never shop!!!

by Anonymousreply 228August 9, 2019 9:30 PM

Ok, first of all Mexico City is cancelled. Anyone who says that is not dangerous to be in the country of Mexico is an idiot. It's like saying that gay men are safe traveling to Southern United States. There is no such a thing.

[bold]However[/bold], if you must travel to Mexico Tulum and Holbox is where you should go. They are safe and are becoming the latest tourist hot spots. Ever since Puerto Vallarta became boring and sad, all the gays are heading to Tulum and Holbox. Plus ecotourism is the latest trend. You can see the shark whales, the natural phenomenon of glowing neon waters, and the Mayan jungle.

by Anonymousreply 229August 9, 2019 10:06 PM

Anyone who says that is not dangerous to be in the country of Mexico is an idiot. ... There is no such a thing.

Mexico Tulum and Holbox is where you should go. ... They are safe ...

You contradicted yourself.

However, they don't have a restaurant scene, over twenty museums, historical architecture, or LGBT nightlife. Tulum and Holbox also doesn't have shopping, fitness, cafés, parks, or direct flights from the US.

by Anonymousreply 230August 9, 2019 11:06 PM

Also Tulum is BORING and full of Mexican kids trying to sell you junk.

by Anonymousreply 231August 9, 2019 11:29 PM

I escape to Mexico City each year for a couple of months to get out of the Arizona sun. I was just there last week. Every time I go I have so much fun. It is also very economical. My hotel is less than 15 dollars a night. It is a wonderful walking city and most areas are so pretty. I actually do like the fact that so many Americans are afraid to go there. I mean i hardly want it to be full of tourist like London or Paris. Actually O hope also those vapid queens from Puerto Vallarta stay away as well. Vallarta is way overpriced now.

by Anonymousreply 232August 10, 2019 12:40 AM

[quote] I actually do like the fact that so many Americans are afraid to go there.

I agree with this. What's the point of point of convincing people who are scared to go somewhere where they will operate scared and possibly xenophobic?

by Anonymousreply 233August 10, 2019 12:46 AM

Why would anyone keep livin in the usa on retirement when they can move to mex city and their $ goes twice or thrice as far?

by Anonymousreply 234August 10, 2019 12:52 AM

I moved to mexico city and LOVE IT>

by Anonymousreply 235August 10, 2019 12:53 AM

Immigration and all of that, it's just weird. Just weird.

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by Anonymousreply 236August 10, 2019 12:54 AM

I moved to Mexico City and lost 15 pounds, met Juan, my lover, and started an aromatherapy business selling essential oils grown from the lavender fields near my casa! I've adopted two Guatemalan refugees, and the little darlings just learned French after Juan got his THIRD doctorate!

by Anonymousreply 237August 10, 2019 12:55 AM

Be sure to check out Pinche Gringo BBQ

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by Anonymousreply 238August 10, 2019 1:01 AM

It is so nice to fly out of Phoenix when it is 114 degrees and land in Mexico City when it is 74.

by Anonymousreply 239August 10, 2019 1:17 AM

Ew, you live in Phoenix?

by Anonymousreply 240August 10, 2019 1:19 AM

[quote] but it's certainly less safe than the US,

I don't know that I would act quite so snide considering your everyday AR15 mass shootings these days.

by Anonymousreply 241August 10, 2019 1:25 AM

It seems safer than the country and western music festival in Las Vegas last year.

by Anonymousreply 242August 10, 2019 1:28 AM

R241 I'm sick of foreigners throwing that in people's faces. It's just as mean and bullying as what Trump does.

by Anonymousreply 243August 10, 2019 1:28 AM

[quote]Plus ecotourism is the latest trend. You can see the shark whales, the natural phenomenon of glowing neon waters, and the Mayan jungle.

Apparently R229 is posting from 20 years ago.

by Anonymousreply 244August 10, 2019 1:38 AM

why are some grouches so anti mexico city? everyone I know who has moved there fukin loves it.

by Anonymousreply 245August 10, 2019 2:15 AM

Not this grouch! I love Mexico City

by Anonymousreply 246August 10, 2019 2:45 AM

I went to Mexico and had a terrible time. I'm bi, btw.

In a little cafe, just the other side of the border, she was sitting there giving me looks that made my mouth water.

So I started walking her way. She belonged to bad man Jose. And I knew, yes I knew I should leave when I heard her say, yeah "Come a little bit closer, you're my kind of man, s o big and so strong. Come a little bit closer, I'm all alone and the night is so long"

by Anonymousreply 247August 12, 2019 1:51 AM

So we started to dance. In my arms, she felt so inviting, and I just couldn't resist just one little kiss, so exciting.

Then I heard the guitar player say, "Vamos, Jose's on his way" Then I knew, yes I knew I should run...but then I heard her say, yeah

by Anonymousreply 248August 12, 2019 1:54 AM

I’m in decent shape — do cardio and all — but still worry about adjusting to the altitude.

by Anonymousreply 249August 29, 2019 2:22 AM

𝑬𝒙𝒕𝒓𝒆𝒎𝒆 𝒂𝒄𝒕𝒔 𝒐𝒇 𝒗𝒊𝒐𝒍𝒆𝒏𝒄𝒆 𝒊𝒏 𝑴𝒆𝒙𝒊𝒄𝒐 𝒂𝒓𝒆 𝒐𝒏 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒓𝒊𝒔𝒆: 27 𝒃𝒖𝒓𝒏𝒆𝒅 𝒕𝒐 𝒅𝒆𝒂𝒕𝒉 𝒂𝒕 𝒂 𝒔𝒕𝒓𝒊𝒑 𝒄𝒍𝒖𝒃

MEXICO CITY —

The assailants locked the doors and emergency exits. Then they doused the strip club with gasoline and set it on fire.

The inferno that engulfed the White Horse bar in southern Mexico on Tuesday night killed 27 people and injured more than a dozen others. Photos taken after the flames were extinguished showed the bodies of semi-nude women strewn amid charred barstools.

The attack, which took place in the Gulf Coast city of Coatzacoalcos, was probably an act of retaliation after the bar owner refused to let a gang sell drugs there, Veracruz Gov. Cuitlahuac Garcia said. The owner was kidnapped before the bar was set ablaze, he said.

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by Anonymousreply 250August 29, 2019 7:22 AM

If you are not in tip top shape the altitude in Mexico City will kill you.

by Anonymousreply 251August 29, 2019 7:26 AM

How's the gay scene there?

by Anonymousreply 252September 1, 2019 2:22 PM

The smog killed most of the gay people.

by Anonymousreply 253September 1, 2019 5:50 PM

r251, it's not that bad.

by Anonymousreply 254September 1, 2019 8:32 PM

one persons say the smog/altitude stuff not that bad.

another says opposite

.. whats the truth?

im 70, have copd, will I suffer there if I move?

by Anonymousreply 255September 3, 2019 4:57 AM

You should probably ask your doctor.

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by Anonymousreply 256September 3, 2019 5:28 AM

R255 Do not go to MC if you have any type of respiratory condition including COPD. The air quality in MC is very bad, don't believe posters here who say otherwise. Look it up, since 1992 MC has been ranked at the top or close to it by WHO for worse air pollution/ quality in large metropolitan area. I'm healthy and youngish in my 30s but when I was there about 10 years ago, I experienced an asthma attack for the first time since childhood. I could literally wipe soot from my nostrils, it was that bad and I had to cut short the trip because I couldn't breathe. My thing is if you can see the air then it's not good for you to be breathing the air. The Mexican government is so corrupt that they don't do anything about reducing air pollution there. Don't go there, and really why would you want to visit a place just to stay indoors?

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by Anonymousreply 257September 3, 2019 5:34 AM

If you are 70 and have COPD you will likely die on the airplane going. Can't you get senior housing?

by Anonymousreply 258September 3, 2019 5:57 AM

Come to Mexico city and try to not get killed by the pollution, altitude, food/water poisoning, crazy drivers, corrupt police and drug cartels.

Mexico city, the ultimate in scape rooms!

by Anonymousreply 259September 3, 2019 6:20 AM

fukkit, im gonna go, I got a hot piece of ass there waiting for me. he has air conditioning so that should soothe my lungs, and my inhalers....

by Anonymousreply 260September 3, 2019 7:04 AM

Hotel recommendations? I like contemporary luxury, 4-5 stars.

Lots of vegan restaurants. Impressive.

by Anonymousreply 261September 3, 2019 7:13 AM

I doubt he has air con. No one does in DF.

by Anonymousreply 262September 3, 2019 7:18 AM

The Four Seasons is surprisingly inexpensive, but the suites are rather unattractive.

Is it true it's rentboy central at night?

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by Anonymousreply 263September 3, 2019 7:22 AM

Cute

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by Anonymousreply 264September 3, 2019 7:24 AM

Are there nice resorts outside the city? Gated, safe, etc.?

by Anonymousreply 265September 3, 2019 7:36 AM

The Mexican authorities are always pleased to help confused tourists.

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by Anonymousreply 266September 3, 2019 8:41 AM

Just got back, met a nice friend there who was at the sauna when a bunch of drunk Americans stumbled in after the bars closed at 5am.

Apparently one of them fell while in the dark mazes of Sodome and incurred a huge gash across his forehead. Had to be taken by ambulance to the hospital.

Mexico City is just not safe for Americans. They're better off staying at home for a crazy night at Chilis.

by Anonymousreply 267September 15, 2019 9:38 PM

We did go earlier this month.

Did not feel even vaguely unsafe anywhere we went, though we mostly stayed in Roma/Condesa/Polanco with trips to the Pyramids, the historic downtown/Zocala and Frida Kahlo museum

Lots of great food, from quick street food style tacos to nicer restaurants and still relatively inexpensive for Americans

Don't seem many homeless, especially compared to US cities

Outside of main tourist venues most people don't speak any English--I can speak Spanish okay, boyfriend's Spanish is better, pantomime helps too.

Booked at Airbnb experience of a night at a lucha libre show (Mexican wrestling)--that was a lot of fun and guide took us to his favorite taco place beforehand, a restaurant we would not have gone to on our own

Far more great museums than I has realized, many of them in Chapultepec Park, so easy walking distance

Ubers were best way to get around (we did take the subway once just to experience it) -- never had to wait more than 5 minutes for one and other than the airport they were all less than $5. Drivers did not speak any English but our Spanish was good enough for limited conversation and directions.

Definitely worth checking out if you're someone who enjoys big cities and is self-motivated to explore, isn't afraid to venture outside of their comfort zone. Basic Spanish probably a good idea.

by Anonymousreply 268October 20, 2019 3:45 PM

im moving there. cheap, tons of expats have moved there, its the new in spot to live, 15oo a month and u live like a king.

lots of cheap hot whores, many white.

by Anonymousreply 269October 21, 2019 11:15 AM

Really? I must go soon and hire a few. They must be cheap huh. 30 bux? from Europe?

A lady on the travel channel was saying its the new IN spot...eager to check it out.

by Anonymousreply 270October 21, 2019 12:08 PM

What’s the weather like in early February, usually? I want to go somewhere for my 50th — usually do a beach holiday but Mexico City has always intrigued me.

by Anonymousreply 271October 21, 2019 1:54 PM

Not sure about the whores R270, but a lot of upper class Mexicans are white (maybe not by certain DLers standards, but by most people's) Sizable Jewish community there as well as Spanish (refugees from Franco's Spain) and Argentine (people who left in the 70s and 80s)

Definitely worth checking out though. Very walkable--you can definitely spend much of your trip just walking around checking out the different neighborhoods, the architecture is impressive and it's the sort of place where you just stumble onto cool restaurants or shops.

Hotels seem fairly reasonable and we got a very nice one bedroom Airbnb in a doorman building in Condesa with what appeared to be brand new furniture, on a block with lots of restaurants and shops, for just over $100/night.

by Anonymousreply 272October 21, 2019 2:17 PM

For R271

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by Anonymousreply 273October 21, 2019 2:21 PM

I was there about 10 years ago and couldn't wear my contact lenses as the pollution was so bad. Sadly, the geography of the city may prevent them from significantly reducing pollution.

It is wonderful city to visit. Great museums, food and people. In terms of danger, be safe and don't go roaming where you shouldn't.

by Anonymousreply 274October 21, 2019 2:38 PM

I just p;osted on another thread about Mexico City--I missed this one (sorry).

Anyone have any good recommendations about:

*where is good to eat in CFMX?

*whether it's reasonably safe to hire a male escort in CFMX?

by Anonymousreply 275November 27, 2019 2:53 AM

I spent a lot of time eating on the street when I was last there. Lots of grease and meat for sure. Hustlers are all over. Is it safe? It depends I guess. Are you bringing him to your hotel room? If so hotels do offer a bit more of security than an apartment would. It is a wonderful city never mind the smog.

by Anonymousreply 276November 27, 2019 3:55 AM

I will be staying in the district of La Condesa, if that makes any difference.

I would not hire a hustler, but rather a professional through rentmen

by Anonymousreply 277November 28, 2019 12:14 AM

Happy to hear you have standards and are not picking up street trade in the Alameda.

by Anonymousreply 278November 28, 2019 12:28 AM

Good. Ship all the Trans down there.

by Anonymousreply 279November 28, 2019 12:31 AM

Unfortunately I don't speak Spanish. I would move if I could. But is its use for an earthquack?

by Anonymousreply 280November 28, 2019 12:32 AM

[quote] But is its use for an earthquack?

I find this a mysteriously worded question!

by Anonymousreply 281November 28, 2019 12:42 AM

[quote] Always has to devolve to porn and escorts. Smdh

The vulgarians! How dare anyone such things!!

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by Anonymousreply 282November 28, 2019 1:27 AM

its a john's paradise

CHEAP WHORES EV WHERE

by Anonymousreply 283November 28, 2019 1:21 PM

I’ve been to Mexico City twice, the last time being a decade ago.

It’s fantastic! The sites, food etc. it’s very much like NYC

I’m always surprised that Americans don’t go there much on vacation. Glad to see it getting its due.

by Anonymousreply 284November 28, 2019 2:01 PM

[quote]Unfortunately I don't speak Spanish. I would move if I could. But is its use for an earthquack?

Your English is nothing to write home about either, sweetie.

by Anonymousreply 285November 28, 2019 4:56 PM

[quote]where is good to eat in CFMX?

What is "CFMX"?

by Anonymousreply 286November 28, 2019 4:56 PM

I meant CDMX

by Anonymousreply 287November 28, 2019 8:01 PM

If you love Russian Roulette, you’ll love Mexico.

by Anonymousreply 288November 28, 2019 8:04 PM

So many full-of-shit and plainly racist, ignorant posts in this thread. I've lived in Mexico for more than 10 years. I don't live in Mexico City, but I live close to it and go there all the time. I've never felt unsafe and never experienced any crime or threat of harm, no has anyone I know. I've never felt so tense, stressed out, and worried as when I've gone back to the USA.

As for the air quality, it's nothing like it was in the '90s and before; there have been effective measures put into place to cut pollution, and though once in a while it can be smoggy, generally it is no more so than Los Angeles or Salt Lake City which often can be much worse. The issues we do have to live with here are the high altitude and a potential water shortage.

I'm married to a Mexican man, together more than ten years, so I'm not hunting for sex and won't report on that. I love living here and have found the quality of life to be superior to what I had in the USA, Canada, and Japan where I previously resided for years. From the climate, to the cultural traditions, art, architecture, cuisine, and warmth of the people here in general, there is a lot to love about Mexico City and this country in general. It's very live-and-let-live; same-sex marriage was legal and recognized here by the Supreme Court years before it was in the USA.

Then again, the last thing we need here are more ignorant gringo immigrants turning this place to shit, since they've ruined their own backyards. If they don't know what they're missing, so much the better.

by Anonymousreply 289November 29, 2019 4:28 AM

[QUOTE] I love living here and have found the quality of life to be superior to what I had in the USA...

The millions of Mexicans living in the U.S. plus the millions of Mexicans who are not currently in the U.S. but dream of coming here beg to differ.

by Anonymousreply 290November 29, 2019 4:53 AM

R290 You're showing your pathetic ignorance. Mexico's an enormous country. Most of the Mexicans trying to get to the USA are from the arid, northern border states rife with drug cartel violence and lack of employment. They see fictional depictions of the USA ("Friends", "Sex and the City") and think all north Americans are wealthy and that's what's awaiting them if they can only get up there.

Life in central and southern Mexico's colonial cities is very different, more like living in Europe (especially Spain). Mexico City is a lot like New York City but with more space and trees. It's a great place to live, and not just for foreigners with money.

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by Anonymousreply 291November 29, 2019 6:03 AM

I was shocked how many expats are here from all over the world::: cheap, good food, 300 for a big 2bdrm apt, cheap and nice whores, their medicare is cheap and for all. many whites have moved there from all over, specially the usa

HIGHLY RECOMMEND.

FUK THE USA

by Anonymousreply 292November 29, 2019 1:51 PM

many whites have moved there from all over, specially the usa

Well, if the white people are moving there you know it must be really good.

by Anonymousreply 293November 29, 2019 3:13 PM

Im told I can live there on my soc sec: $1400 a month.

here I come....

prostitutes included and trips to sin city: Puerto vallarta

by Anonymousreply 294December 1, 2019 7:18 PM

Including myself, having been here more than 10 years.

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by Anonymousreply 295December 2, 2019 4:36 AM

OK I just booked my 50th birthday trip to Mexico City in February. Husband wanted to go to a beach but I said it’s my birthday, not yours!

by Anonymousreply 296December 30, 2019 2:10 PM

im moving there in may, several friends are there and just love it, they've really cleaned up their act in mex city it seems.....cant wait. my friend has big 2 bedroom apt in nice part of town for 325dollars usa.

great for retirees on moderate fixed income.

by Anonymousreply 297December 30, 2019 2:34 PM

R297 what part of town?

by Anonymousreply 298December 30, 2019 2:35 PM

im told prescription drugs in mexico are half the price here in usa. most don't even need a dr script...

be funny if usa citizens moved to mexico in huge numbers once word gets out on all the pluses of livin there...

by Anonymousreply 299December 30, 2019 2:44 PM

But hard to find a place to rent which doesn't require someone to cosign for you. Most Mexico City landlords want a fiadora. I got so tired of being turned away that i moved to Guadalajara instead.

by Anonymousreply 300December 30, 2019 8:40 PM

I rented from an American who bought several apartments....for investments, with a Mexican citizen...

by Anonymousreply 301December 31, 2019 10:04 AM

Anyone been to the bathhouse there, So.Do.Me.?

by Anonymousreply 302December 31, 2019 4:53 PM

I’m SO excited about going there now for my 50th in February! I wouldn’t have even considered it had it not been for this thread. Once again, DL to the rescue!

by Anonymousreply 303December 31, 2019 7:29 PM

BUMP

by Anonymousreply 304January 30, 2020 8:48 AM
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