British Royal Family Gossip: Part 83

FYI: At the moment, BRF #82 still has almost 100 posts to go before it's filled.

There will never be another like her.

Elizabeth and Margaret.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Not as wacky as Beatrice's infamous hat but this one on Sophie is strange.

Ohhh I love that hat R5.

Just catching up. Was HRH the Duchess of Sussex, Princess of the United Kingdom at Wimbledon?

R7 - Not yet. She probably can't get away because she's afraid to leave Archie with anyone else. Also, the Williams sisters aren't playing well (Venus was just eliminated by a 15 year old), and as her main intention was to support Serena Williams, perhaps Meghan's thought better of showing up just to see her play badly.

Well, onto this Saturday's mysterious christening: I've been most amused at the gushing articles about the list of possible godparents, all of which blithely mention the Mulroney climber (she's Jewish), the Clooney climber (she's a Druze and her husband is a self-professed atheist), and Serena Williams (she's a Jehovah's Witness, they do not accept the Trinity, a fundamental component of the Anglican faith). The couple of aristos mentioned, Inskip and von Straubenzee, and the Tindalls, are the only likely suspects from Harry's set, and I suppose Meghan could dig up Markus Anderson and Bettina Litt. But the "obvious suspects" from Meghan's side are, or should be, automatically excluded on religious grounds, or else they make a mockery of the remaining shreds of the Church of England's dignity and meaning.

R8 - well, as we all know (cough), Meghan is so close to the Archbishop of Canterbury so she wouldn't dare pick any non-Christian person for a godparent, would she?

Is Me-again really all that close to the Clooneys? And how did a z-list nobody get friendly with Clooney?

Clooney has stated on record that he will not be the godfather.

I think Meghan's PR puts there names together in the press but there's no actual proof they have a close relationship. After the Clooney's showed up the Prince's Trust gala, there hasn't been much evidence that they hang out with the Harkles.

R2 gave me a scare!

For some reason I can't link the tweet, but Richard Palmer advised that Harry and Meghan will not release the names of the godparents.

I wonder if the confidentiality order being lifted in one of the Jeffrey Epstein cases will turn up any Andrew involvement.

I know nothing, so I going out on a limb to make a prediction about the Christ child's godparents: There will be no Hollywood or celebrity types in the bunch. No Clooney, no Elton John, no Serena and no Jessica Mulroney. However far down in the line of succession, the BRF is not entertaining any notion of people who might be here today, gone tomorrow or who might not show the utmost in discretion or those who don't need or want the publicity like Elton John, Oprah, Gail King, etc.

The godparents will be family members perhaps like the Tindalls, Beatrice, Eugenie or old time aristocratic former classmates of Harry...people with whom the royal family has a relationship, can control and who they can trust implicitly. They are not taking a chance on any goop-like people they don't know or who just showed up on the scene two years ago.

R13 - usually a photo of the royal parents and baby with all of the godparents is released. I say usually because the Sussex duo think they're special so they may not give out that information.

Why would godparents want their names to remain private? Once again, drama. God, they’re exhausting, these two. I do love it, though. Can’t wait to see the photos.

They must not have secured the godparents they wanted. If they did get the celebs they wanted, they would shout that from the rooftops and so would the celebs.

I know a lot of people here think that Meghan decided this would be a private christening so that Meghan could save the big reveal for either her Instagram or a magazine, but I don't think so. A more public christening would be a prime press opportunity for her. She could do the public christening and still have the option to post more private pics in order to "break the internet".

Either she made the made the christening private because she is having a temper tantrum over any number of things, Harry decided the christening would be private to thwart her press plans, or the BRF required the christening to be private or they refused to attend. Worse still, what if there is something embarrassing about the situation that they don't want public? For instance, what if Doria does not attend? Or, Harry could not get one of his aristo friends (save cousins) to stand as godparent?

I have it on good authority that the baby is refusing to be baptised and wanted to be brought up Muslim. That's the reason for the secrecy. It is a shame but that's the way it is.

If Clooney or Serena were going to be the godparents, MeMe would be leaking the headlines to the Daily Mail and Good Morning Britain. Instead, they won't be releasing the names of the godparents because MeMe is being forced to accept broken nose Mike Tindall, Lady Louise and Skippy who insulted her pre-wedding. MeMe is having a meltdown with the fourth nanny who she's about to fire any minute now.

Serena is treading carefully when it comes to giving Meg parenting advice:

"I never pass on words of wisdom because I feel like, everyone, when they have a kid, especially when you just have a baby, it's so difficult to just be," Williams said. "It's just like get through the first three, four months and then we can talk."

Archie will be on his 14th nanny at 4 months.

R19 - Good one, thanks for the laugh!

I hope Archie turns out to be a Veda Pierce.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R24 - all of the above. Oh and one more thing: they're sticking the middle finger to the British taxpayer and press. They're not winning any friends.

I definitely think George C. and his wife will be godparents. The wife is a lawyer and can help the kid (not that he would need it).

I'm sure Harry must have a few friends. Surely one of them will get picked. He gotta have a say in it. It will speak volumes if godparents are Meghan's picks.

Oh please, they just love to do this shit. Of course they won't tell you but you will find out anyways...when they go to the church! LOL.

They want to create mystery, drama...interest!

ZZZZZZZZZZZ

Harry really, really hates his family. They have snubbed his wife and he's getting back at them the best way he knows how. The backlash isn't just against Harry and Meghan, people are asking what is the point of paying for a bunch of rich scroungers and what they get in return.

Didn't George say they live close the Harry and Meghan and have dinner often?

I'm betting the pics released will be black and white!

Meghan is so entertaining, a real trainwreck.

Go on, baby. Go on.

R29 Because you really believe they're friends? Lol.

Those people use each other for good publicity, nothing more.

Harry’s an idiot. If he wanted to keep everything about his child’s life secret, then he should have renounced his claim on the throne & gone off to be a private citizen somewhere before having kids.

You cannot be a senior, working royal accepting public funds and not share the most basic aspects of your family’s life. It’s absurd and ridiculous.

R21, LOL that someone would ask a first-time mother of a newborn, who has nannies I’m sure, for “parenting advice”. (Which Serena seems to acknowledge is silly)

Maybe advice about which nipple cream is best, but I’ll save my questions about parenting for someone who’s raised a few into successful adulthood. Sheesh.

More basically you can't be 7th in line and a private citizen.

If Archie is a private member of the family he should not be 7th in line for the throne.

I can smell Meghan's taste for drama here. As if anyone really give a shit about the godparents. People want to know their name and their face but otherwise no one gonna harass them or pap them. That's ridiculous.

Why the big deal and need for secrecy about not releasing the names of the godparents? It may not be celebrity driven, but it's probably family members and/or longtime, close friends that are meaningful to the parents? Same as any other family.

William's kids have godparents. The names were probably released at the time of the christening, and now they are long since forgotten. Who cares? Why can't Dimwit and Me-again tell anyone who they selected? It's kind of a nice, happy occasion. It's about an hour-long event, and then it's over and done, take a few pictures and everyone goes home. Why make it into something that's tense and unpleasant?

The Clooneys are convenient “friends”. And I’m sure the wives are friends the way Lucy Ricardo and Carolyn Appleby were friends. They enjoy competing with each other.

I still believe that Meghan bolted to the Clooneys at some point.

R36, she’s an attention whore and her husband enjoys watching his family be very uncomfortable. Eventually the drama will affect HIM, and I suppose he will not enjoy it as much. In my experience, men do get tired of that kind of upheaval. The ones who don’t always have a history of drama queen girlfriends. I don’t recall hearing much about Harry’s love life being as tempestuous as this Meghan chapter. Did he?

I wonder if Harry will soon tire of all this drama.

I wonder if he will soon develop a drinking problem.

R39 I think the drinking problem may be already there.

He gonna get tired of the drama if it affects him . But as long as it just piss off Will, he's ok with it.

I can guarantee she throws raging bitch fits behind the scenes. He's already tired of it. He just doesn't want to admit what a mistake he made, even though it is plainly obvious to the everyone else.

The British media is not going to put up with this much longer. It will turn on the Frog Cott duo quickly and with a royal vengeance. The stories up until now have been a picnic. Get ready.

If the christening pics Meghan releases don't show anyone but themselves and there is no other evidence of who attended, I will never believe the royals attended.

R27, we won't see them at the church. There won't be a church. It's all within the corridors of Windsor Castle. A room which is the Queen's private chapel, off a corridor.

It makes you wonder if there IS a ceremony, or just a quick photoshoot.

Maybe it's a naming ceremony?

It's all very interesting, and WIDE OPEN for gossip.

I can't imagine living with the constant drama. It must be exhausting. People like Meghan thrive on the drama but normal people can't live that way forever. You're right R38, there wasn't all of this mess with his previous girlfriends but there WAS constant drama surrounding his mother. She really triggered those mommy issues in him.

If Meghan thinks this makes her look mysterious, she's insane.

Meghan is loving all this attention! That's the way actresses are. Everything is "me, me, me!"

Chris Ship says the godparents are not celebrities.

Lol, no one wants to be a Godparent.

There is another major life event coming up in this couple’s life!

The first was last year, and everyone in the family was required to be there.

This time, pay close attention to who shows and who no shows!

The Husband’s sibling is ordered to be there, so he and his wife will definitely show.

However, there are other family member/s who are invited… but who will claim scheduling conflicts prevent their attendance.

On the other hand, there are friend/s (or “friend/s”) who are not invited… but who will pretend that they were invited and simply couldn’t make it.

Finally, watch to see who is named/not named to a lifetime honor during the ceremony. That will likely cause even more buzz than the shows and no shows!

Haha! It's all Harry's people.

So, who are the family members who are claiming to be busy? Camilla probably wants to decline but Charles will make her attend. The cousins?

I guess they got told Archie's godparents need at least to be of the Christian faith. And yes, I guess those few who came into question politely but decidedly turned down the oh so honourable task generously offered by Their Royal Highnesses The Duke and Duchess of Self-Indulgence.

That's probably why they want to keep it all private. They don't want anyone to know that their celebrity "friends" can't be bothered to attend and that most of the family will be "busy."

That none of the celebrity "friends" want to be a godparent is a snub in Meghan's eyes. Expect more ghosting.

This is friggin hilarious. Keeping the names of the godparents a secret. Is that even a thing? It never was before with anyone royal or commoner.

I think Harry also pulls this shit with the press out of spite. He is angry at his family and the British public for not kissing him and his wife's asses and at the press for not following the brand stories the two want published. I think this is Harry's fuck you to everyone, especially the press who he already blames for his mom's death. If you are not my age or older you won't remember that the press really laid off those two boys after her death. He is being stupid because he doesn't realize he has been protected from the worst of the press growing up and they are going to come after him for being spiteful.

Remember when they wanted to keep the friend who introduced them "private"? They just didn't want to admit that it was Soho House pimp/dealer Markus Anderson who set them up. When they want to be "private" always question what they are hiding.

Why didn't they keep their whole stupid wedding a secret?

It makes sense, now, that Serena is backing off, giving interviews saying that she's not going to give MM parenting advice ( lol ), and giving the interviews during Wimbledon.

Ridiculous.

The celebs have been royally Scarfed by the BRF.

OR......something is amiss, and everyone is shit scared of getting involved.

If the press really wanted to get back at Meghan, they would stop publicizing her antics.

Here's what I think happened: Meghan wanted some rich and famous celebrities for the godparents. She was politely but firmly told "NO, they are not suitable", she had a tantrum and decided to make everything "private" to cover up the fact that she didn't get her way. In the end, she probably had to choose some people she barely knows (much like her celebrity "friends").

Meghan has decided to "update" the traditional baptism outfit. Here's what Archie will wear.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

[Quote]I wonder if he will soon develop a drinking problem.

Did you forget about his other "problem"?

Fergie hawking her Budgie books for children's air ambulance charity.

Aw-I remember Budgie. That was a cute book as I recall. I wasn't aware it was still something she promoted.

People who want private lives shouldn't live on the public dole.

R 18 - The Camrbridges and Charles and Camilla are already announced to attend. It is the Queen who isn't attending. The BRF cannot NOT attend, it would be the story of the year - as it is, the fact that HM isn't attending is something of a story. Meghan's keeping it private because she wants absolute control of the images and she's paranoid. As for the godparents, they are usually announced at the last moment, and I wouldn't discount at least one celebrity - e.g., Oprah. They're probably desperate to have someone of colour there besides Meghan and Doria. Bea and Yuge or either one of them might attend at Harry's request, or even serve as a godparent. Or they might get someone amenable but not too visible nowadays like Princess Alexandra. If it's all Inskips, von Straubenzees, Tindalls, Bea and/or Yuge then it's all Harry's side and it sort of trumpets that Meghan can't count a single suitable godparent for a grandson of the Prince of Wales amongst her prviate circle

She'll come up with someone. And, they'll probably have four rather than the usual six.

R23, They will be lucky if Archie turns out to be Veda Pierce. At the rate they're going, he's going to be either a soccer hooligan or a Hannibal Lecter-style posh serial killer.

R66 - Second that.

For what it's worth, the royal website that lists futrue engagements has 6 July completely blank for any and all members of the BRF. It goes from 5 July to 7 July. So regardless of what has or hasn't been announced, they're clearly interested in keeping attendees unknown until the last moment, which means any or all of the Queen, Philip, Charles, Camilla, Anne, Andrew, the Wessexes, and the Cambridges could show up. If the Queen were otherwise engaged, it would say so. I wonder if all the previous assertions have been wrong and/or Harry expressed his anger to his father, who begged the Queen to change her mind and attend?

R67, the godparents will remain private. This isn't speculation, it's been officially announced. Several royal reporters are saying that the godparents are not celebrities.

From what others have said, the Private Chapel at Windsor Castle is indeed private and we will not see who has attended. So the family can decline to attend and we won't know the difference because we won't see the arrivals as we would if they were normal royals. We will only know who was there for sure is by whoever appears in the pics they decide to release.

It has been widely reported that HM will not attend. Yeah, the British rags get stuff wrong but if they were off on that one I'm sure Meghan's PR would have been right on it to correct the record. That hasn't happened, so she will not be there, despite the fact that she doesn't have an engagement that day.

I've never known anything like it. This isn't the RF I know.

Agree totally, r71. No HM, no celebs.

So it seems that her celeb “friends” told her to bugger off or we’re not approved by BP. I am guessing none of the godparents are Harry’s royal cousins and Meghan is left with a bunch of no-bodies as godparents and that’s why wants a private event to save face.

Is HM currently in residence at Windsor? What a colossal snub that would be, if she were and STILL didn't go to Archie's christening.

I find that the longer the Sparkle and Dim "privacy" shenanigans go on, the less interested I am.

I have a mild interest in the RF and have lately been remembering the births of the Cambridge children and that I was interested enough to check out the "On the Steps of the Hospital clips" and the "Bringing Baby Home" clips, but beyond that, I did not feel deprived that there were no other clips until the baby's 1st birthday. Didn't spend any time thinking about that or them. Just not important enough in my life.

While my initial interest in the Sparkle and Dim show was fascination, I admit, that for someone who is supposedly well educated (her, not him) to get it so wrong over and became like watching old episodes of those night time soaps - Dynasty, in particular.

But the foolishness with the birth of a child - I see no humor with that at all. He comes across as dumber and dumber and she is a control freak in the extreme. In the months since their wedding, she seems to have contributed to severing the links Harry has had with his family. Hardly surprising given her track record. Isn't this frequently the behavior of an abusive spouse?

Baby Sussex has my sincere sympathy. Given his mother's excessively clinging ways with Harry, will Archie be able to live any of his life as his own? And all of his parents' behavior could be couched in terms of "privacy" and "going the own way".

Poor kid.

Given the story circulated some months ago about Sparkle's close friendship with the Archbishop of Canterbury, she can hardly complain publicly now when it comes out that the people she wanted as godparents were simply not acceptable and permission was refused.

[quote] Given the story circulated some months ago about Sparkle's close friendship with the Archbishop of Canterbury, she can hardly complain publicly now when it comes out that the people she wanted as godparents were simply not acceptable and permission was refused.

So, you’ve decided this is fact now, have you? That she was refused the godparents she wanted?

It’s people like you who have turned this otherwise interesting thread into an embarrassing mess of fantasy and delusion.

Meg doesn't seem to understand that she's a less important version of Lady Sarah Ferguson (not an aristo, and marrying someone further removed from HRH).

It isn't a popularity contest. And even it if were, Meg is losing. She's older than the Duchess she so visibly and viscerally envies, and she fatter (and obviously she's nowhere near as pretty and elegant).

No tiaras for you Meg! The sooner you get it through your head, the sooner you won't seem like such a try-hard!

Also - Harry looks like a victim of Stockholm syndrome. That's on you and your poisoned well.

R62 Surely this has to be a parody or extreme sarcasm. If it's from MM she's obviously been watching too much Downton Abbey...walks in the country, sitting by roaring fires, seriously wtf. Does she go around the house reciting "bits and bobs" and where are my trousers poodle pip.

'Given the story circulated some months ago about Sparkle's close friendship with the Archbishop of Canterbury, she can hardly complain publicly now when it comes out that the people she wanted as godparents were simply not acceptable and permission was refused. '

Welp Troll is here again. Just loves to fantasise about the BRF being a strict dominatrix who refuses to give permission. Do we even know who the Camb spawn godparents are?

'And even it if were, Meg is losing. She's older than the Duchess she so visibly and viscerally envies, and she fatter (and obviously she's nowhere near as pretty and elegant'

These two sentences really do sum up the superficial mindset of people on this thread. Age and weight are all important.

Why would Meghan envy a woman with no career and no celebrity friends? Meghan was thinner than Kate pre pregnancy and may be again. She is the same age as Kate as well, unless you're one of those conspiracy nuts who believes she's really in her 40s.

Meghan knows she has global appeal and feels smug every time she goes on Instagram and compares her likes to Kate's. Nobody outside the UK gives a fuck about Kate.

R82 is delusional.

Kate is educated, beautiful, and elegant. She comes from a respectable family. She's married to one future king and the mother of another. She's well-respected all over the world.

Smeg is a fat, old divorcee who got her chanel z celebrity job by screwing over her exhusband. Her best days are behind her and everyone hates her. (Including the 3 nannies she's blown through in 6 weeks). The BRF hates her. The Brittish tax payers hate her. The Americans never liked her which is why she had to go to Canada to get a job.

She's one step above a trailer park princess.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R81 “Do we even know who the Camb spawn godparents are?”

I have no idea. And that is as it should be.

The matter of Archie’s godparents was a whisper campaign. It never occurred to anyone to care, until she declared “IT IS PRIVATE”

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R81, R85,

Oh look! Here's William announcing the godparents of Princess Charlotte:

If you go look at Bea & Eugenie's Wiki pages their godparents are listed.

R81, R85

My, my! There seems to be a theme here - proud, respectable royal parents announcing the godparents of their beloved child at his Christening. Here's the announcement for Prince Louis:

R88 - It's almost as though there's a consistent theme about expectations for royal behavior.

R41 Raging bitch fits - whatever are you talking about?

Prince Williams's own godparents were announced:

R82, - No, no, no dear. Meghan doesn't feel smug. That was a typo. She feels SNUG.

She isn't smug - largely because nobody important wants to be roped into a lifelong relationship with her and her sprog.

She feels SNUG - because her clothes are too tight. Because she's fat.

You're welcome for helping clear that up for you.

Oh look Prince Harry's Godparents

And another, Lady Louise Windsor R90 it does seem to be a pattern, who would have thought.

Lady Sarah Chatto, who at the time of her birth was 7th in line just like Archie, her godparents were announced.

Her godmothers were Prudence, Lady Penn (née Stewart-Wilson), stepsister of Jocelyn Stevens; Jane Stevens, the wife of Jocelyn Stevens and one of Princess Margaret's ladies-in-waiting; and Marigold Bridgeman. Her godfathers were David Fane, 15th Earl of Westmorland, and her father's friend Antony Barton.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

The receptionist at my work is an Oprah fan who's now a fan of Meghan because in her words "she's gained some weight after the baby, she looks like real women now." She's also under the delusion that Harry and then Archie could still be king one day. I asked her why and she said that George acts like he's gay, and what if Charlotte is a lesbian too or she gets sick and dies which then leaves Louis. I said ok so Louis can be the heir. Fat frau Oprah fan receptionist then said, I kid you not "Oh no, someone is going to make sure he has an accident so that Archie can be the first black king." WTF.

R98 - some people make you wish IQ testing were a legit legal requirement to breed.

R98 Yes but it's too late for that fat bitch because she already has 4 kids. I couldn't believe it when she said, almost wishing, that some shit should happen to the Cambridge kids so that 1/4 black Archie can be first "black king". Oprah fans aren't known to be the brightest bulbs but damn it's like they're keen on proving why they're deserving of the reputation they have.

R93, you bring out my dark side.

Doesn't the British Royal Family, and the global fascination with them, bring in more tourism money going into the UK economy than they cost with people coming in from around the world?

More people apparently went to Windsor last year too, perhaps because of the two royal weddings that happened there.

[quote]More people apparently went to Windsor last year too, perhaps because of the two royal weddings that happened there.

R102. If that's the case, how will MeMe get an ounce of privacy??!!

Sorry for the outburst, it’s the cooking sherry.

R26 - George Clooney has already stated publicly that he is not a godparent, and as he is a self-professed atheist, he wouldn't have been accepted, anyway. His wife is a Druze.

Charles and Camilla will absolutely be there; so will the Cambridges because if they aren't, it will be tantamount to announcing a complete split in the family publicly. The Queen has been said not to be expected, but her calendar is blank on the website that day. The Tindalls are likely. So are a couple of Harry's aristo friends and, of course, Doria Ragland.

In my opinion, the sudden blank for 6 July in the royal calendar for every single member of the family is quite interesting. It means that either people are showing up that the rags all said wouldn't, or it means that no one is showing up except Charles and Camilla, and they are leaving the whys and wherefores to the imagination and the poster upthread is correct that the rest are not attending and the photographs will only the Sussexes, the three grandparents, and the baby.

The secrecy ploy may indeed may be a strategy to cloak how deep the schism in the family is now.

But whatever its real purpose, the bottom line is that it will feed the fans of "private citizens shouldn't be benefitting from the public dole" mantra that now swirls around the Sussexes.

They are beginning to look ridiculous, which is a worse optic in some ways than looking sinister for people who take themselves exceedingly seriously.

So all this (secret birth, lack of hospital introductory photo, lack of any photos of the baby, private baptism with secret grandparents) is because the baby wasn't given an HRH?

A lot of DM posters think that the Clooneys and Oprah are godparents, and their names are being kept secret to avoid a backlash. But...from Meghan's point of view, what would be the point of having them as grandparents if she can't talk/brag about it. I guess the paparazzi are staking out the airports now.

MM probably thinks releasing the christening shots over Instagram (especially if godparent pictures are in there) will push their account followers up and maybe finally get them above Will & Kate’s. I also think she’s insecure and likes having control over the shots and the filters (their Instagram shots are clearly not filtered by a pro).

[quote]The Queen has been said not to be expected, but her calendar is blank on the website that day.

Beyond Trooping and the Derby, I think it's rare the Queen undertakes any engagement on a weekend.

[quote]Given the story circulated some months ago about Sparkle's close friendship with the Archbishop of Canterbury

Of all the ridiculous things I have read in the past few days, MeMe's "close friendship with the Archbishop of Cantebury" has to be one of the most ridiculous of all. Come on, she is not friendly with the archbishop. First of all, she would have had to befriend him in the past year since she got married. Before that, she wouldn't have known him. Doesn't he have better things to do than to befriend someone who spent all last year holding her belly and wanting to be alone? What, did she have him over for tea?

R101, Cheers!

Can you just picture it...

Scene 1: Markle presents her list of proposed godparents to the gray men at Buck House: Jessica Mulroney, Markus Anderson, Misha Nonoo, Amal Clooney and Elton John.

Scene 2: All hell breaks loose as the head gray man. Lord Winchester, sweeps in screaming with wig askew, throws back his cape demanding an explanation and asking if this is some sort of a joke because if so, Her Majesty is not amused!

I see some people are still defending those assholes. "But we don't know the Godparents of the Cambs kids!!!!!!"

Of course we know who they are you dumbass. That's the point, we know who they are but we don't care. It's just a nice information you give but no one will interview the godparents or pap them outside their house.

All this drama about privacy is just that, drama. Meghan has her own little mental soap opera where the Godparents of her kid are harassed by the racist press and in danger. She's obliged to save them or whatever bullshit is in her head.

Or, it's Harry's decision but Harry is a resentful jerk so it would not be a surprise.

It's the HazBean's way of saying It's my ball and I'm taking it home. They are hurt and angry at all the criticism and disapproval lobbed their way from all sides.

R113 I believe they're hurt and angry but it would be easy for them to get better press.

1. curb Meghan's spending habit and dress her with british designers.

2. do a nice photoshoot of Meghan enjoying british countryside and peasants, no Lion King Premiere or baseball match.

Her spending and her Muhrica First way open the door to easy criticism but they're too dumb to close this door.

Lay off Waxwing, y'all. S/he wasn't saying we don't know the names of the godparents for the Camb. children, just that s/he doesn't know them to call immediately to mind. I.e. saying the same thing most of you are saying.

I love that picture set of Megs looking properly pissed off (which the one at R91 comes from). I never saw her on Suits, so I only know her cloying, I'm-the-renicarnation-of-Diana doe-eyed humble in-luv-with-a-kind-man look she constantly affects in public now.

In every announcement, Harry and MM keep emphasizing the “Archie’s not an HRH, so.....”

It’s pretty clear they are saying, “you didn’t give our son a title, so why should we play ball?”

R117 Don't you know it was their decision?

Anyway, if the Queen really refused to give Archie a title, how closing the christening to the press is a revenge? It's not the press or the public who denied Archie a title.

As the DM story at R62 comes from "a source (who) told Katie Nicholl at Vanity Fair," it's fair to assume it came from Meghan herself or her PR people. I especially loved this:

"Despite adoring taking baby Archie and their two dogs for walks, it is reported that the couple are privately advertising for a dog-walker for the pups due to their hectic schedules. The couple have had a busy six weeks since welcoming Archie Harrison on 6 May, with Meghan taking on various public appearances during her maternity leave. "

Hectic schedule? You're so down to earth and love walking the dogs, ....... but you need a dogwalker. She's a gift that will continue giving for years.

How can she think those details can help her image?

It's Midsomer Murders meets Sex and the city. I LOVE walking the doggies but I also need a dogwalker because I'm so busy.

So is this another "we're keeping it PRIVATE. because PRIVACY is important to us, not like it is to awful Kate, who was quite willing to whore herself out like a big whore on the steps of the hospital, no offense!" type event like the hoopla surrounding the 'no hospital steps photos' thing? Where we just got the entire scene a couple of days later but in a castle? And we're just going to get photos of these PRIVATE, VERY PRIVATE godparents the day or two after the christening when Sparkle posts it on their IG?

What a to-do. I mean it. What a big, thoroughly ridiculous and completely embarrassing production they've managed to make this, just like they did with the birth. Funny thing is, even after all this time I genuinely can't tell if it's something they're doing on purpose for publicity (?) or just something resulting from their almost inexplicably bad ongoing PR management.

There are a number of competing narratives swirling so I say the following completely aware that it's simply my take and may well be wrong.

I won't be surprised if the Queen shows. In fact I think I'm leaning slightly towards her doing just that. As satisfying as it would be to have an undeniable public snub aimed at Hazbean, it's just not what the BRF do. They don't do public strife. If there is turmoil in the background (and at this point does anybody, even the Stans, deny that there is?), I actually think it's more likely the Queen will turn up. A show of unity etc. If her schedule is clear on the day of the christening, and she is not known to be elsewhere (i.e. in the UK) and she *doesn't* show then...damn, I might actually be shocked. So I think she'll show, barring some last minute appointment to plant a new tree in the farthest reaches of the Highlands.

The 'Harry and Meghan are hurt/angered by the bad press and public reaction and are lashing out' is one I buy. The alternative is that someone (a grey someone, or someones) is forcing their hand in what is in my opinion a misguided attempt to tamp down the negative stories and bad feeling surrounding the couple like a fog. Misguided because it's just driving the tabloid editors to ever higher levels of royal blood lust. Honestly my money is on all of this being about Hazbean retreating into a "poor us! everyone is attacking us! and we haven't done anything, it's not fair, why is everyone so horrible!!" narrative and lashing out the only way they can - by keeping their lives and new baby out of the public eye. Which is terribly shortsighted of them because it just leads to stories like the one in the DM a few days ago detailing their new copper bathtub (i.e. in the context of their ongoing 'muh privaceeeee!' shrieking) in which 99% of the thousands of comments that followed could be boiled down to "WHY THE FUCK ARE WE PAYING FOR THESE ASSHOLES AGAIN?!" about Meg and Haz, but also about the BRF in general. Ain't nobody in that family thinks stirring up that kind of public sentiment is a good thing.

No. The fuckery here is ongoing and no different to the fuckery that has gone before, since even before the wedding. It's coming from somewhere/someone, and I strongly suspect Meghan and Harry themselves. When she showed up at the ballgame in non-couture Stella McCartney i was like hey, is this the beginning of an effort? Is this a new leaf? Has she been persuaded? Aaaand cue the "private christening, private godparents" stories and nope, it appears no one has been persuaded of anything. Con't...

Con't...

It's super entertaining watching this play out, but also super crazy. Can you imagine the hair loss and stress levels for the grey men? How many people are tearing their hair out over these two? Whilst Meghan, like Trump, just continues to bulldoze her merry way through what I assume are countless 'gentle' suggestions and offers of advice and continue to do whatever the fuck she wants because she apparently STILL (!!) thinks she knows what she's doing in this new milieu.

Nuts, man. Can't wait for the post christening photos to be released. Meghan Markle is such an odious attention whore. And it's hilarious because it's no longer necessary at all. She's famous. It's done. No press teasing and PR games necessary. You married a prince, the interest from the public is there. Literally all you have to do is sit back and do a minor charitable thing every now and then.

I would pay actual money to hear William's honest thoughts on all this. I bet he fucking *loathes* her. And now he and Kate have to show up and smile for the camera this weekend. Oh, to be a fly on the wall at KP that night.

[quote]Meghan Markle, 37, is 'in love' with English traditions including country walks. Duchess of Sussex is adopting British mannerisms and dropping Americanisms

This is my favorite: She is adopting British mannerisms and dropping Americanisms? Good gawwwwwwd! What the hell does that mean? Raising her pinkie finger at tea without scratching her ass? This broad is insufferable.

I would like to have a little sit-down, spill the tea chat with no-nonsense Princess Anne and get her thoughts of MeMe. Can you imagine the biting, no-holds barred utter disdain Anne has for this royal pain in the arse?!

R121. I'm leaning toward the queen not showing up. For one thing, it has already been announced that she would not be attending. Second, as long as Charles, Camilla, William and Kate are there, the queen will be absent. If the others were not showing up, then I would say yes, the queen would be there. But they're going, so she's not.

I'm sure that a big part of it is how terrible MM looks since the birth and how this will be contrasted to Kate*s pristine perfection at each of the Cambs christenings.

I think that Meghan Markle and Meghan McCain should get together to bitch and complain about how persecuted and misunderstood they are. They're exhausted. Both a little chubby. They need each other.

According to Daily mail....sorry if already posted.

A source said the godparents are ‘friends of theirs, close and old friends

The royal couple, who are denying any public access to his christening at Windsor Castle on Saturday, have also decided not to allow TV cameras in to record the royal family arriving.

They will release a small number of images taken by their own photographer later in the day. (Harry and Meghan have chosen their wedding photographer Chris Allerton)

I think the privacy stance has more to do with 1) Harry's dislike of the press and desire to give his child a different experience than he had and 2) Meghan's desire to do things the celeb way--controlling the narrative, releasing pics shot by her chosen photographer, curated and edited by her, etc than with any behind the scenes guest drama. It's the Beyonce way.

Also, she probably wants to counter the notion (fact) that she's a social climbing fame seeker by pushing the idea that they're desperate for privacy. It plays well with her fans, who still get plenty of pics.

If Serena Williams, Oprah or Clooney were the godparents, this would not be private. Markle would be giving interviews.

Plus, this will eventually leak even if it takes a while. The public will eventually know who the godparents are.

I can believe Harry wants "privacy." I do not believe Meghan does. Meghan wants *control* - which is a different thing even if it can look the same in terms of how it manifests. It's what the IG account is all about - her ability not just to control the narrative but to carefully curate and control her own (and her family's) personas, image (no chance of unflattering candids when all the public sees is your post-event chosen and edited shots) etc. Which is very celeb of her, as well as an indication of her continued misunderstanding of what her new role is.

If it continues, I do wonder how long the British public will be willing to fund the Sussex travel, living and security expenses etc. with little more than some complainy comments on DM articles. Meghan and Harry really should gracefully remove themselves from the public dole if they truly wish to be left entirely alone.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R131. No way can the Frog Cott duo back out of public life yet. If they did it now, it would be total havoc and a media barrage. Dimwit and Markle need to look like they have given it the old college try for a few years--and then bow out when they have given the impression they have earned their keep with the public, but now it's too much and must step away.

I'm not so sure that Harry and Markle can ever drop out of public life for the foreseeable future. When Charles becomes king, he has said he wants to streamline the royal family. If that's the case, then he is going to need support from both his sons. If Harry and Maarkle drop out, William and Kate cannot take up all the slack. Charles may not have a choice and may have to put Beatrice and Eugenie to work, something he didn't want to do. Charles wants Harry involved. If Harry isn't going to be there, Charles and the monarchy are in a tough spot.

I would guess that Charles wants MM gone asap and a chastened, subdued Harry back in the saddle. MM has already rocked the royal boat past the point of no return; the public rumblings about getting rid of her are now spreading to the RF as a whole. Everything they have done so far is to get MM to break up with them first - Frogmore Cottage; no title for her child, no good jewellery, back row placement - all leading to her declaring "This is not what I signed up for". I wouldn't even be surprised if the RF was behind the shady articles in the press.

It’s been reported for the last seven or so years that Prince Charles is in favor of “streamlining” the monarchy to focus on the monarch’s immediate family, or its “senior members.” The monarch’s immediate family would consist of their spouse, their children, their children’s spouses and, if applicable, the monarch’s grandchildren via the eldest child and heir. This is why Little Archie doesn't have a title.

William and Kate would move into the position of Prince and Princess of Wales, while Harry (and, someday, his spouse) would be taking on a significantly larger workload. This is why we are seeing Harry taking on more public engagements.

Prince Charles also took Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie off the royal payroll and Andrew isn’t exactly thrilled about the decision, Express reports.

Charles wants a smaller, more cost-effective monarchy.

[quote]"This is not what I signed up for".

R135. I'm no fan of Markle, but did she really say that? I think if she had made that statement, it would have been huge news, very scandalous and a firestorm coming from the newest member of the royal family.

I think the whole family would be glad to see them drop out of public life. Neither are necessary or needed. Charles reign will be quite short, then the real fun begins.

R137, no, not yet, that we are aware of. But those will be her words before she flees.

Little Archie has made it much more difficult to get rid of MM. I’m sure that’s no accident,

I still can’t believe that fucking name . Archie Harrison. So lowbrow.

Harry is such a dick. Never liked him. Of course he’d choose a ridiculous wife.

R124 I want to talk to Trevor.

Kind of a dick move to downplay a Christening when Gran is head of the church. Or maybe there’s a cockamamie point in there somewhere that they’re trying to make.

R109, I think it was said that MM became close to the Archbishop during her preparations to become a member of the CoE for her marriage. Conversion, or whatever the term is.

I’m sure he thoroughly enjoyed their theological discussions. And I’m sure he enjoyed the fire and brimstone preacher she introduced to the marriage ceremony.

R145, the entire royal family enjoyed that preacher a lot.

The still-youthful 34-year-old Prince was a deer in the headlights for the 37-year-old huntress. He saw "exotic, foreign, different, sexy," while she saw "lifestyle, fame, titles, luxury."

He didn't figure on her ego, and she didn't figure on his being just an "extra" in the BRF.

Archie Harrison, saddled with a naff name and gifted with no title, will come to despise his parents.

I'm hoping someone in the press leaks the names of godparents BEFORE the christening just for spite. The gloves really need to come off before the Sussex duo taint the whole Royal Family with their stench. They're really acting terribly. Not good form.

Andrew's post about the Holyrood garden party today. Swipe for photos.

It wouldn't surprise me if the Queen doesn't show up at Archie's christening (shit, I almost typed funeral). She's probably going to Balmoral to begin her summer vacation and she doesn't like her holiday to be interrupted.

Swipe to see close up photos of the intricate lace details of Lady Gabriella Windsor's wedding dress by Luisa Beccaria.

Lady Ella's father Prince Michael of Kent was born on this day in 1942.

The Queen is glowing in pink.

They did announce the godparents on DM. Two of Markles college friends and two of Harry’s.

Photos of the Queen with her three children (Charles is on a Welsh tour). I like Anne's hat.

Charles and Camilla in Wales.

Photos of William visiting a hospital.

I’m sure Vogue will have the christening photos.

R71 - Media Advisory? WTF? Isn't that a warning? Oh they're really asking for trouble, aren't they?

Kate's thank you letter of 2008 to the Wimbledon organizers. Good manners before she became a royal. The Middletons taught her well.

Wishful thinking. This will NEVER happen. LOL.

Today, it's the Queen's turn. Here are some of her hat collection.

The Queen Mum and Princess Anne attended Camilla's first wedding in 1973. Oh what a small world!

Photos and videos of the Holyrood garden party.

The Queen with Olive the Duck on a visit to a farm today.

Every once in awhile we need to be reminded of this hat.

Photos and video of the Queen on the farm today. Olive the Duck enjoyed herself showing the Queen around.

Anne at the garden party.

Which one is NOT like the others? LOL.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Mark Dyer is one of the purported godparents. The DM describes him as a mentor, but he is rumored to be more of a "minder".

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

r147, lol and most likely right on. A quick skim and scroll past the nonsense dose have its rewards.

oops: dose- does.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

[quote] The birth of Archie in May made Meghan a great-grandmother for eighth time

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

In the DM article there is a little box stating "Anyone willing to pay the required fee can look up the details of any baptism in any given Church of England parish".

The thing is, though, the private chapel is not your common or garden CoE parish.

It is , in fact, a Royal Peculiar. "A Royal Peculiar is a Church of England parish or church exempt from the jurisdiction of the diocese and the province in which it lies and subject to the direct jurisdiction of the monarch."

It belongs directly to the monarch, not to any diocese. And it doesn't come under the jurisdiction of a bishop.

Therefore, any records held don't come under the same rules and regulations as it's under the direct charge of the Queen.

I doubt any records can be traced, despite journos quoting a £30 fee to find them.

Photos of Andrew in York today.

Piers is on it.

I would love it if Eugenie attends just so she can leak the names of the godparents to someone in the press. Meg and Harry aren't the only ones who have press contacts and plant stories.

How do Harry and Meghan intend keep these names from being leaked when some of their attendees have ill feelings towards them and have no reason to keep this information to themselves?

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Thank you, r153.

Wow, Anne looks FANTASTIC in that light robin egg’s blue-turquoise color. It’s a rare color to find in clothing but it’s also one of my favorite colors along with Tsarina Alexandra mauve. Seriously, Anne looks great in that color, it’s one that lighter coloring people can pull off while those with darker colorings tend to pull off vibrant jewel tones better.

^^^meant to say Anne’s coat in R167 post

Here’s my bet - they will very quickly (before the names leak) issue an Instagram post with a picture with mom, dad, Archie, and the vicar; a picture with the godparents and Archie lined up by the font; an “artsy” black and white close up of Archie with a clear shot of his face, and a candid shot of showing which BRF family members were there. This post will be the one that drives the follower count of the Sussex account above the Cambridge account, generating more press about the “feud” and MM’s “new” approach to royal family PR. Then MM gets to say “I did everything I could to keep this private” while still feeding from press attention.

R136 - Beatrice and Eugenie were never ON the royal payroll. They were never expected to be working royals. After William married Kate, Andrew belatedly saw the handwriting on the wall, saw the frenzy over Kate overshadowing Bea and Yuge, and suddenly realised that if he wanted his two "blood princesses" to have a shot at the royal gravy train, there was no time to be lost. The two suddenly appeared at a few "official engagements" and there was some public statements by Andrew about his daughters deserving to be "senior royals", but the effort petered out and the girls retreated into private life again.

I don't doubt Charles had a hand in ending this effort, much to Andrew's fury. But I suspect that with the startling speed with which the Sussexes went off the rails, a rethink has taken place, amidst a suspicion that the Sussexes may not last that long as part of the BRF, and development of the "pilot" plan to move them abroad and see if that works. If the Sussexes increasingly withdraw from the home turf, the royals will be short of a couple of authentic royal personnel.

Hence, Eugenie since her wedding suddenly appearing at a few official events. Ascot was somewhat telling, too. Absence of even one of the Sussexes, but sweet photos of Sophie and Kate interacting happily with Eugenie, plump and badly dressed but appealing and endearing in her way, fresh off a pretty wedding at which Meghan The Bitch tried to steal her bridal thunder, likely to have a baby soon . . . and, after all, unlike the increasingly problematic interloper, Eugenie is One Of Us.

I'm guessing Charles is being forced to prepare for a time not too far in the future where he's going to need to recruit fresh blood at home, and reverse course re the Yorks, at least where Eugenie is concerned.

The Queen is the only one I know who wears pearls, brooch, hat and handbag to a farm visit. You just gotta love her consistency. LOL.

Agree completely, r185. Anne should wear color more often; especially that one.

Also agree, r187.

The godparent kerfuffle is just another of her manufactured dramas.

The newly crowned Queen and Prince Philip fixing Charles' hair before the official photos are taken. Even then, Anne didn't give a damn.

The more they antagonize the British press and public, the worse their downfall will be. I'm ready for them to be really knocked off their pedestal. It's better to come sooner than later.

The Cambs PR is so good lately. They play Mommy and Daddy for UK people.

Mommy Kate does chutney and some gardening when Daddy Will honors Diana and send a message to LGBT people.

It feels organic and at the same time this is what Brexit Britain needs, something reassuring and homely. They're good.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Do be sure to WW the posts, especially the OP's. As always the Megstans want to gray out the thread, so do your part to make it easy to find.

R153 - Those were not officially announced. They're just good guesses after it became clear (which it should have been from the start) that Jewish, Druze, and Jehovah's Witness individuals were religiously unacceptable as godparents to the great-grandson of the Head of the Church of England.

The godparents of all the royal children baptised, from William himself on down, have been "private citizens". The "private citizen" argument as applied to the godparents is therefore bullshit, and it's particularly bullshit where Archie is concerned - with his parents on the public payroll and his home paid for by said public payroll, Archie's upscale lifestyle is willy-nilly being supported by said public.

This stance is in my opinion another spasm of passive-taggressive fury from the Sussexes. I think no matter what they say publicly, they're furious at Archie not getting an HRH from the Queen, they're furious at the Queen not attending Archie's christening, furious at being forced to accept Frogmore Cottage as their official residence, and furious at the dawning realisation that no matter what they do, they will always be "less than" in the royal pecking order (something Harry, at least, should have accepted long ago; it's Meghan's influence that deluded him into thinking he could be just as important if he created his own "brand").

I think they also know that the "Africa Plan" is at least in part a response to Meghan's missteps over the last year, aided and abetted by a deluded Harry, and to William's increasing influence. Meghan's three greatest missteps so far have been threatening the British press a year before they were even engaged; alerting the Queen to Meghan's real nature with early demonstrations of diva behaviour, although the Queen will always do the dignified thing and provide appropriate photo ops when necessary; and alienating William and Andrew. Andrew is far closer to his mother than Harry ever has been, and William's fury at Meghan's petty PR wars and leaking of nasty stories about his family, and probably his pain at seeing what she'd done to his brother, undoubtedly played a role.

On that score, they've already lost the war, and they know it, thanks to Meghan's inability to recognise that supporting the institution was ultimately, especially within the UK, more important than building her "brand".

It is also about Meghan Markle's obsessive need to control all public images of her and her family

Every one of these instances of exaggerated demands for secrecy comes across to the public as sulky and hypocritical at best, hostile at worst, and serves to enhance further William's and Kate's public images.

Lastly, the refusal to play ball within traditional expectations that are in reality very modest, not particularly difficult to meet, not in any way threatening or dangerous, also reinforces the perception that Meghan, especially, doesn't belong here, and really doesn't belong in the BRF, and the sooner they get rid of her, the better.

It's all Meghan's doing and it was all avoidable. Harry is complicit in drinking the Kool-Aid she sold him.

R196 - I agree. This duo is a nightmare.

Cressida is stunning. Just sayin.

Prince Charles's plan to streamline the Royal Family will save a lot of money for taxpayers. It will make the British Royal Family more like the other European Royal Families.

[quote] It will make the British Royal Family more like the other European Royal Families.

Absolutely. And this is not something desired by the British Royal Family.

I think the slimming down Monarchy is wishful thinking. No one knows what Charles gonna do.

R200 You mean that it's not something desired by Prince Andrew who has very little power.

R199 - the only thing Charles is reluctant to streamline is his own extravagance. He's excellent at throwing his family under a bus but he doesn't want to practice what he preaches. He's spoiled, selfish and entitled prat.

I remember watching a documentary and William and Harry were playing polo. They were making fun of their father because he gets someone to polish his boots instead of doing it himself like they do.

No, R202.

The British Royal Family do not consider themselves to be like the other European Royal Families.

Those RF are sometimes referred to as a "Bicycle Monarchy".

R198 Cressida and others of her background or those with available options, they all chose to turn down Harry. Why would they be tied down to a dimwit who barely passed secondary school with help of cheating? Especially when they could be married into comparable or better situation where they didn't have to pretend to do "work" in exchange for living on public largesse. By the way you can tell Cressida is naturally beautiful because she looks fab without the help of much makeup, thats the hallmark of beauty, when you're able to look stunning without makeup. Unlike a certain American climber who pre-baby always wore smokey eye makeup, layers of foundation, and blusher put on with a trowel for her "natural look". Kate's skin without foundation/ concealer is quite bad too, but at least her features aside from slightly droopy left eye due to aging, are prettier IMO.

The 'streamline the monarchy' was an actual committee. It was called The Way Ahead or The Way Forward, something like that. Prince William was on it. It came up around the time that the Queen surpassed Victoria as longest reigning monarch and Charles didn't want so many family members crowding onto the balcony and Andrew got all touchy about his daughters.

R205 I was really struck by how beautiful she looks in that little video. She just glows.

Although I am guessing ol’ Harry found the sex with Meghan a lot hotter than with Cressida.

Cressida seemed like just as much a user as Meghan, but for different ends (she had no desire to enter the BRF but wanted a higher profile). Harry is not very good at sniffing out that quality (or perhaps he doesn’t care).

R208, I've no doubt she pulled out all of her acting chops to land him as a fish. She definitely would have "tried hard" for Harry. Cressida would have been above performing for him.

R195, the more posters amplify the thread with WWs, the harder it is to gray out and make disappear.

Cressida dodged a bullet. The guy she's dating now is a much better catch. Harry has always been a douchebag, Meghan is just exposing it.

R209 But at least if Harry was going to marry an actress, he would've been better off marrying one like Cressida without family or mental baggages. One who wouldn't put branding and being an influencer above everything else while telling the public who supports her lifestyle to fuck off. Cressida's family and upbringing likely didn't instill any qualities that would make her do the shit that DoS is doing right now.

R212, I'd take it a step further. Harry exposed himself a long time ago (the Nazi uniform, the naked billiards, the cheating and failing at school, etc.). However, the RF always covered for him - so he looked like a foolish lad, a loveable cad.

Meghan didn't expose him, but she drove a wedge between him and the family that always had his back. She no doubt built him up in his own mind "You've always been underappreciated! So much is expected of you. You're the most beloved member of the family - they take you for granted. You should have AT LEAST as a high a profile as your brother - probably higher! You're the greatest thing to happen to your family since your mother. You're her legacy and she's so beloved, even today. Let's let YOUR light shine! Let's let your mother's legacy live on through you! You're the prince of people's hearts, just as your mother was the princess." etc. etc. etc. ad nauseum, ad infinitum.

So she's succeeded in capturing him by isolating him from the family that has protected him throughout his assholish youth. And now she has him. And now they can't protect him anymore, so the cracks in his propped up image are becoming more and more exposed. His poor judgment is without back up and defense. He looks a fool because of her, and she's drawn him away from the very people who could have protected him from the humiliation he has long deserved, but so far avoided.

Cressida's family is a mess. Her mother has been married a bunch of times and she has a bunch of half siblings all over the place from her parents various marriages. But yeah, she's English, and from aristo circles so I'd assume she respects the monarchy, knows what would be expected from her and wouldn't be pulling the shit Meghan has.

Meghan is at Wimbledon this afternoon.

She wants to see Serena before she loses I suppose.

She's pulling the old trick of sitting next to someone fatter than you so that you look small in comparison.

What Fergie had going for her, back in the 80's, is that she understood her place (and Andrew's place) in the pecking order. She never aimed to outshine Charles and Di. She was a fun gal, along for the ride. Her judgment was poor, but her heart was in the right place.

If Meg had learned from that example, then it would have been so much the better. Instead, she aimed to be a transatlantic superstar, and Harry was to be her rocket. She wasn't content to be part of a foursome, she wanted to outshine the Cambs, so she went along her merry Yoko way.

(The arrogance of thinking she was going to disrupt a monarchy with 1,000+ years of history and tradition. You may or may not like it, but you're beyond egotistical if you think you can outdo it.)

She had a D-list Canadian cable show on her side! She had a blog! She was adept at social media! And she was the star of her family's 3-ring circus. Why - she didn't need to follow the rules - she just needed a platform and from there she could take over the institution. They'd never see what was coming until it hit them. (As though the Queen hadn't survived the Battle of Britain and didn't know what an enemy looked like.)

So now Meg's isolated and reviled. It's going to get worse before it gets better. And, she doesn't appear to have Fergie's ability to laugh at herself.

Some people can't learn from examples - they have to actually become one.

She's wearing jeans? I thought Wimbeldon had a dress code? Or is that only when you sit in the royal box? She brought the hat again. To cover her gut?

R217 - you hit upon one of the reasons she doesn't want photos of her near Kate or that can even be compared to Kate. The Duchess of Cambridge looked better after having 3 children, than Smeg does after just one.

R217 I see Meghan is with her old buddy, must be one of the Godparent.

Haha, this asshole is playing mindgames.

She brought that stupid, fucking hat.

R218

[quote] (As though the Queen hadn't survived the Battle of Britain and didn't know what an enemy looked like.)

Hilarious.

Thank you R218.

R222, She probably thinks it's one of her "iconic looks." (Also, it covers her belly.)

And she has an "A" on her necklace. Lol. Just like she has an "H" and "M" on a necklace, supposedly purchased for her not by Harry but by Jessica Mulroney.

Here's a full body shot. Wimbledon officials should have turned her away for dressing like this. She KNEW that hats weren't allowed after last years appearance and she brought a hat anyway. What a fucking disgrace.

Holy Shit. Look at her swollen face.

Even when she stands, she tries to cover herself up.

Shit her face is chipmunk-like there on that photo R219 linked. I see the trick of sunglasses and overuse of blusher to hide a fat face, so LA celebrity-like. Overall not a good look with that top exposing her aging sun spots.

My word. Mama's been eatin GOOD!

Nutmeg is a mess and she actually put that fucking hat on. She looks like she's on drugs.

I love how self-conscious she is.

Yes, Meghan, you're fat.

I'm firmly in the camp that pregnancy did change her body shape forever. I mean, she could lose the weight but she won't go back to pre-baby shape, sort of like what happened to other formerly "hot girls" like Jennifer Love Hewitt. You never know how Mother Nature can be a bitch sometimes.

Swipe to the last photo. Kate doesn't have to worry about this creature.

"A" for Archie necklace.

Meghan's problem is not really putting weight, it's where she puts on weight.

She could be curvy with a few more pounds but no, she looks like SpongeBob.

R217 I guess that's not hard to do.

Sitting in the chubby section.

The two women beside her are her friends. One was a maid of honor.

The baby not only changed her body but her face as well. The chubby face is not a good look.

R239 In town for the christening? Brought along to the tennis to start rumors?

You can be sure one of them is godmother.

They can be seen with MeMe at Wimbledon but Gods forbids we know they're godmother because privacy.

Maid of honor R239? At which wedding? She didn't have a maid of honor when she married Harry.

She inherited her chubby face from her mom.

R235, Her neck is too fat for such a delicate chain. The necklace is so delicate it competes with the wrinkles in her skin to be noticed. (And that's of course even from zooming in from a distance). Better to wear something more substantial that makes her look more graceful in contrast.

Doria is not chubby, come on...

Good lord, Meghan is not thicc she's just fat. Yes, she puts on weight in all the wrong places like most people do when they get fat. Rarely does one only put weight in the "right places", but Meghan's fat is all distributed not just in wrong places but in odd ways. What is happening to her hips, she had slim, athletic hips before that's very much appreciated today by younger men and younger people in general. Is she really going for the frau fans?

Doria's face is chubby.

Meghan has taken to the English ways and countryside, specifically she's been loitering in the Garden of Eatin'

I guess she didn't make Harry sign a post-pregnancy contract

Scobie speaks *rolls eyes*.

Duchess Meghan has joined Court 1 at @Wimbledon today to support @serenawilliams. She’s joined by close friends (and fellow @NorthwesternU alum) Lyndsay Roth (right) and Genevieve Hillis (left), who will also be at Saturday’s christening.

Doria's face is not chubby, she has large masseter muscles and what is considered to be masculine jawline. Meghan got her genes in that area as well as upper body build.

R249 Aren't Brits and Americans known to be lard asses?

R202 - Don't bet on Andrew having no power. The Queen adores him - he was the child of her re-energized marriage after a period of estrangement from Philip . As long as she's alive and compos mentis, Andrew will at least have input, and how closely he's "guarded" her at recent events where the Sussexes were present was notable. Granted, once she goes and Charles takes over, Andrew's remaining wings will be clipped.

Lyndsay Roth is also Jewish and cannot serve as a godparent.

R250 Fuck, Scoobie Doo has the guest list of the Christening;

How convenient;

It doesn't exactly take Shelock Holmes to figure out that her old Uni friends are in town for the christening, R254.

And how clever of Megs to have two friends along who make her look thinner.

R252, America's weight problems tend to break out along ethnic and socioeconomic lines. The poor tend to be heavy. Non-white (excluding Asians) tend to be heavy. By and large (no pun intended) the wealthier and whiter you are, the more likely you are to be fit and healthy (and well-educated, and accomplished, and all the other goodies that accrue to the more fortunate).

As far as I know, the Brits are more racially homogenous, so the combined effects of socio-economic disadvantage with racial/ethnic differences wouldn't manifest the same as in the US.

R247, to be fair, Beyonce has put on a TON of weight, but she put it on in all the right places.

If she's wearing jeans and was wearing the hat, she isn't in the royal box is she? Why wouldn't she be in the royal box?

[quote] As far as I know, the Brits are more racially homogenous, so the combined effects of socio-economic disadvantage with racial/ethnic differences wouldn't manifest the same as in the US.

This analysis makes absolutely no sense.

There are no words.

Because she's so privaaatttteeeee!!!!!!!!!!

A lovely portrait of Prince Charles as a boy.

This is what Jennifer Love Hewitt looked like 8 months after having her first child. Her body has not been the same since then, and for actresses who have been focusing on their looks or being judged in large part for their looks, it could be hard to deal with. Meghan, stop at just one kid, Archie is insurance enough that you'll never go hungry (for food, that is). JLH is your future if you dare to have another kid.

Poster upthread is correct: the delicate chain looks lost on Meghan's thick neck and still fat face.

As for lard asses - Britain's favourite foods over the last 100 years have not exactly been in line with the Mediterranean diet and later dietary suggestions. And, as is the case in America, the working classes can't afford the fresh fruits, vegetables, and other elements of a "healthy diet" trumpeted from On High. Good nutrition also requires more effort and planning and preparing.

Good nutrition tends to cost more than fast food, on which far too many people lower down the economic scale rely. In addition, Britons drink far more than Americans do, which doesn't help.

Royal sisters - Elizabeth and Margaret.

There are still no words.

R195: Can someone explain why I have to keep going back and WWing some of the posts that I've already WW'd? If I refresh the page, they show up as choices again (ww, ff, block). I've WW'd the same posts such as (R196, R113, R93, R2) multiple times. Why is that still an option? Is it because Megstans keep downvoting?

I’ll studiously avoid calling her fat and will say that a rounder face appears younger.

On to the things that she CAN control: that blazer is inexplicable. And it’s bunched in the armpits and straining to contain her upper arms.

With the hat, it’s like Corey Feldman cosplay.

R257 No you've only got part of it right, obesity rates are not all attributable to socioeconomic status in the US. Studies have shown that cultural attitudes regarding body weight also greatly influence overweight/ obesity rates. In fact this very topic is one that's studied in recent years to better understand and target the problem of obesity here in the US.

Are we sure that isn't Linda Sparkle, self-proclaimed MM doppelgänger, at Wimbledon?

Meggie-May Clampett is in the building! All she needs is a strip of straw handing out of her mouth and the Beverly Hillbilly look would be complete!

The hat doesn't even fit her head. Has her head grown on top of everything else? I guess Harry is too cheap to hire a trainer.

Lord, she's huge! One could move in!

I'm still speechless.

Dangling Tendril Alert!

Meghan went to see her bestie play tennis today. She looks like shit! She had on a hat, sunglasses, messy hair. White blazer with black outfit. She stood up to clap when Serena won.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Does she not own a mirror? That blazer is too small for her!

R274 Weight gain in the face never looks good when you've got short/ no neck and broad shoulders. It makes you look hobbit-like more than anything else, least of all a wannabe hot mom.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R274 That blazer from the front, you can see it's at least 1 size too small. The upper sleeves are bunched up from having to contain fat arms when moving. What's more the shoulders of the jacket ride up due to Meghan's upper chest area being too wide.

The hat looks off-white to me, so the hat and blazer don’t even match. She really looks haphazardly put-together for this rare outing.

R270, without wanting to get into an online kerfuffle that rages off-topic, socio-economic status is a major driving factor in weight disparity between blacks and whites in the US. This really isn't arguable. There are literally hundreds of articles like this in the medical literature. Anyone in healthcare in the US knows that the driving social determinants of health factors are economic status and race/ethnicity.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11892-015-0666-6 (Mind the Gap: Race/Ethnic and Socioeconomic Disparities in Obesity)

https://academic.oup.com/cdn/article/3/Supplement_1/nzz039.P18-110-19/5518050 (Diet Quality of Children in the United States by Race/Ethnicity Within Categories of Body Mass Index)

https://www.nature.com/articles/ijo2017252 (The association between BMI and health-related quality of life in the US population: sex, age and ethnicity matters)

Maybe she's still at a stage where she thinks she'll still be able to fit into her old clothes. That too-small and ill-fitted jacket is a big NO. No fashion icon even a wannabe one would be caught making such a bad mistake as that.

If she cannot fit into her old wardrobe that cost nearly a million pounds, it means that Charles would have to cough up more money to buy her a new one when she goes back to work.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Stop complaining. She looked worse in the black hat.

R284 Do you know how to read? I said it's partially a factor not the main factor. Complex issues such as obesity epidemic are rarely attributed to one single factor as THE major factor. BTW I studied this very subject (weight/ obesity and socioeconomic status) as part of my thesis project so I could literally talk about this topic forever. But yes I agree it's not good to do it here, maybe another thread.

yeah, the hat doesn't go with the outfit. She looked terrible.

I just upvoted R245 and R247 for at least the 3rd time. I guess I'm compensating for shadow down-votes.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

Her skin (chest area) is so old looking, just like her hands. I agree, that necklace is too dainty for her, makes her look even fatter.

She looks like the tard she is in those hat pictures R274, etc. I put this outfit in the same category as the ugly toile dress at Dim's friend's wedding last year.

I'd rather not hear words like "tard."

One can't really point out another's lowbrow behavior, if one is rolling around in the pig wallow oneself.

R271, if this is a parody page? Brava!

Otherwise, "Oh, bless your heart dear."

R291 Good lord the straight lines of the fabric pattern has gone all wavy and crooked. Shit, if this is what Meghan presents herself to the outside world, imagine the horrors that Harry is witnessing at home when she lets her guards down. Let's hope that she at least has the common sense of getting new underwear wardrobe or else I'd hate to be Harry's eyes.

R291 WTF is she really still wearing her sunglasses even at being introduced to another person? I don't care if that person is a child, you still take your goddamn sunglasses off. Where are people's manners?! Do members of BRF meet and greet people wearing shades now?

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

My word, she's a hefty gal! Look at them thighs. Even her nose got bigger.

I honestly doubt that she's got the patience, never mind the understanding of the game, to watch tennis. I bet she didn't shut the fuck up throughout it.

I prefer her dressing like that to wearing 3,000 misfitting and wrinkled clothes. Why can't the royals wear nice blazers, black slacks and a variety of shirts, $300 max per outfit.

$3000 I mean.

Some photos of Megwide standing up.

Come on, jeans at Wimbledon look terrible! Plus they are not allowed in the royal box. Why did she wear them? So disrespectful and inappropriate.

I agree, R301. Queen Letizia hits just the right note. She mixes in Zara and Mango with more expensive shoes and bags, and wears little or no jewellery in the daytime. She always looks chic, professional and appropriate and at the same time approachable. Her daughters always look perfect as well. MM and Kate need a working wardrobe, although Kate does a lot better than MM.

Photos and videos of Charles and Camilla on their Welsh tour.

Also, hats are not allowed at Wimbledon. She's an ass.

They are speculating that one of those 2 pals with her are gonna be godparents.

Are they the same age? They have much better skin than her.

Laughing and talking while tennis is playing. Really bad form. She should be banned at attending Wimbledon matches until she learns how to behave appropriately. She fucking represents the Queen and she turns up like this. Disgraceful.

^ FROM Wimbledon not at

OMG, that video at R231. She's looking very discombobulated. That hat doesn't fit, the blazer's too tight, her expressions are so odd (maybe because she's hyper aware of being on camera). Motherhood's knocked her for a loop.

R307, are hats really not allowed? In one of the wide shots there were lots of people with hats on.

R195, This is the sort of thing Sarah Latham is paid to manage - SILENCE NEGATIVE PR BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY! She has employees who are paid to get online and outvote the sincere voices of regular citizens. They do it all day. It's their paycheck.

Here's the conflict: the sovereign grant pays for Smegma & Hapless. They pay for Sarah Latham. Now, Sarah has been through the fire, having managed it for the least popular US Presidential candidate of all time - Hillary Clinton. (Don't misunderstand this in any way as an endorsement of Donald Trump, because it is NOT. This is pointing out the fact that Hillary was SO AWFUL as a candidate, that even with every possible resource and advantage at her disposal, she still managed to lose to the Cheeto in Chief.)

(On a deep dive it makes you question Sarah Latham. Either she was a 3-dimensional chess genius who shielded Hillary from being indicted for criminal activity or she's a completely incompetent fool who blew up the campaign of the woman who should have been crowned the 1st female president). In any event, Sarah is familiar with managing the PR of unpopular people, it's the whole point of her resume. It's her personal raison d'etre.

Just not royal.

In return for the taxpayer money, people want a little service, a little sense of family and country, and something entertaining and nice to look at, tiaras and pretty clothes. But not entertaining in this way.

R303 just gave us the visual that explains everything. Smeg is embarrassed by the visuals of her "squad."

The Christenings for Catherine's babies are Town & Country Magazine perfection. The godparents are aristos. They're attractive. They're wealthy with family history above reproach. This may or may not matter to you, but they project the image that Smeg is gaspingly thirsty for. And in obvious contrast, hers are not. (She is constantly measuring herself against Kate - it's why she keeps tripping over her own dick.)

* She WANTED perfection and wanted to use the tendrils of celebrity at her disposal: Clooneys, Serena, Oprah, etc. But it turns out that the CoE requires adherence to the CoE as a prerequisite to being a godparent instead of fame. Go figure.

I feel sorry for her pals, being subjected to all this weight talk. If Meghan was hoping for a contrast, I’m not sure it was the best idea.

“Oh, I insist you girls come with me to Wimbledon, it’ll be so fun.”

She's trying for the effortless look but she looks a mess. It would have been better if her hair was neat and not let loose around her fat face.

She's gonna have a fit when she sees the pics at home, maybe she will get so angry that a nanny will be fired.

R307, R312: There's a dress code for the Royal box and it includes no hats, no jeans. I believe Meg was in a different box so she could bring her pals (who didn't qualify for the Royal Box and weren't Royal guests).

Yes, very serious dress code in the royal box, I think a celeb was turned away one year coz he was not dressed properly. I think it was F1 driver Lewis Hamilton

Some of the guests who were in the Royal Box today.

Mary Berry was in it yesterday, Bake Off fans.

R317 I think that is the point of Meghan wearing her hair messy and hanging all over her face, so that they'll distract from how fat her face is. That, along with huge sunglasses, hate, and heavy blusher are trite ways to disguise or deflect attention from having a fat face.

Serena wasn't playing at Centre Court today, so no royal box anyway, for roly poly MeGains.

R299 - Size 0 to 8 in less than 9 months!

Do you suppose she will try to fall pregnant immediately? Why bother to lose the weight if she's just going to do it again in as few months as possible? After all, people would care more about the baby if she had a girl. And it gives her an excuse to be fat. Plus, she's in the geriatric pregnancy category, so she needs to rush things along (obviously she wants another to secure her pension from the inevitable split from the family) so that she can even have one at all before she's infertile. The C-section can't have helped in that regard.

I daresay that Prince Harry's salary is lower than Prince Andy's was, and that's what made Fergie broke in their divorce agreement. Meg isn't intelligent, but she is certainly cunning.

R315 That's the main problem. For most of her teens and adult life it's evident from videos and writings that Meghan was/ is very much into attaining high status. Trouble is, no matter how hard she tries she cannot get past the fact that she's not Town and Country, she's more Down (and out) and Country. Many climbers from lower socioeconomic status naturally excel at or are able to fake having patrician qualities quite nicely. So it's not really a class thing with me, it's more of an It Factor, that of having noble-like qualities that comes across as easy not forced. But not Meghan, she just comes across as try-too-hard basic no matter what she does.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

wrinkled jacket...smh.

If you find yourself with an invitation to the Royal Box, you do have to dress smartly – look to the Duchess of Cambridge for style inspiration. No hats though, ladies, and gents, make sure you wear a jacket and tie – you won't want to find yourself, as Lewis Hamilton once did, denied entry to a rather important match...

R325 - her upper chest is looking old from too much sun exposure. The sun brings out more freckles. She should watch it or she'll get melanoma.

Markle wore jeans to Wimbledon. What is wrong with her? I thought she was no longer a commoner.

Thank you R327. Doesn't Kate always manage to look like she's delighted to be there? She doesn't wear flashy new outfits or call attention to herself. She dresses appropriately and appears to be (maybe she's faking it, but if so she's doing it well) there as a supporter for whatever is the main event.

It's as though she understands her role is to provide institutional support for the endeavor - not to be some sort of starlet and steal the spotlight.

Hm. What an excellent example if one were only astute enough to follow it.

Is it chilly at Wimbledon today? I would imagine it’s pretty warm in the sun, even in England. She couldn’t wear a little linen sundress with a bolero jacket, and some sandals?

The print on the dresses of MM's girlfriends are not flattering. Some seasons retail clothing barely looks good on very tall, super thin model-types. When will manufacturers wake up?

MM could start a trend of British ready-to-wear designed for shorter women with more womanly figures. Fashion students please take note.

The casual, effortless look takes thought. It can be done, but it takes flair.

Here's the mistake: The denim is daring, but if you're going to dare to wear denim in this environment, you can't go half way. You have to commit. The reason she looks sloppy rather than polished casual is because the denim isn't a suit, and to pull this off, it must be.

This outfit would have worked it were a blue denim suit of blazer and jeans WITH, and this is the crucial detail, a white pinstripe. And no, that wouldn't have been too matchy-matchy. A clever summery print underblouse or Tee takes care of that.

A suit also is more appropriate the daughter-in-law of the future King of England. She looks too damn casual. A twenty years old woman could get away with what the Duchess is wearing even if she were a daughter-in-law of the future King, but not the Duchess; not at her age.

Unpolished is almost unforgivable and the Duchess veers too close to that with her appearance here.

That blazer. Oh dear.

R331 It has been a very hot day, that would have added to the discomfort of that jacket straining across her back.

R333 Della, I don't agree denim to be daring at Wimbledon. Sartorially speaking as someone who studied fashion design almost 2 decades ago at Pratt, daring is more than just wearing something that is not the norm for that given event/ environment. There has to be an element of avant garde or experimental design-wise or at very least a fresh eworking of style or tongue-in-cheek take. In that sense, wearing denim at Wimbledon is not daring but more akin to attention-seeking to be topic of conversation. There's nothing unique or particularly stylish about the pair of jeans Meghan wore today. I bet she did so intending not so much as make a fashion statement, but more like proclaiming her independence from usual set of rules applicable to others in the BRF. However she didn't realize that her entire outfit from head to toe show her face/ shape to be drastically different from pre-pregnancy state. All indications before was that she'd be the type to quickly regain pre-baby form. Now we can see that she's not naturally one of those lucky women like Kate who could do that with ease. I doubt that's the topic of conversation that Meghan wants people to be focused on.

It’s a real disappointment that none of the younger female British royals have interesting taste in fashion. Meghan is a basic betch as it gets (someone throw that gd hat in the trash!) and doesn’t seem to understand context (jeans at Wimbledon?! are you going to bring Bud Lite as well?). Kate, maybe because she’s constrained by her position, looks elegant but dull. Bea and Euge are ho hum. Zara is sporty and just not into clothing as art. It would be so neat if even just one of them was avant garde and made the effort to wear emerging designers, or developed a close relationship with a British house that pushed it to an interesting place.

I don’t think it’s right to critique Meghan’s friends, they didn’t choose this marriage. I have no standing to critique Meghan’s weight, to me it’s nothing but a good thing to show that you don’t need to try and make yourself disappear right after baby (frankly I worry about Kate).

Face it - Yoko will never, ever be any kind of fashionista. Let's lower expectations and no one will be disappointed.

R338 A lot has changed, before her clothes were too big, now they're too small.

She still looks a mess, if that's what you mean, r339.

R338

R332 Meghan's height is officially 5'6" on her actor CV, at least that's what I'd read somewhere. But her photos at the baseball game where she wore flats that looked to be about 1 inch heels, showed her to be shorter than 5'6". If going by what the consensus is, that Harry is 6'1", then that would make Meghan shorter than 5'6" the way that she looked next to him. She's maybe closer to 5'5" or 5'4.5" which is fine if she's like many petite women with good proportions. However, Meghan's wide shoulders and torso don't serve to lengthen her build, they look like they belong on a taller woman. So really Meghan needs to learn how to dress to suit her tricky body shape and proportions. She needs to work with a real stylist and not be left to her own devices let alone start a fashion line.

Tales From the Royal Wardrobe , with the lovely Lucy Worsley, is on BBC4, if anyone is interested.

FWIW, the average American woman is 5'4". It's hardly a tricky body shape. It's not as if there isn't clothing available for people in her size range.

She may be choosing to make this more complicated than it needs to be, but for Pete's sake women with far more "challenging" body types have been dressing themselves well for decades. She's not an ingenue facing a brave new world. :eyeroll:

R343 She has a boxy torso without a defined waistline and also the wide shoulders for petite height can be tricky as far as elongating the line is concerned. I don't know why that's so hard to understand.

R344, not trying to fight with you. I'm just pointing out it's not like she's some truly unusual body type (a la Dolly Parton, who clearly needed bespoke garments). With all the resources at Meg's disposal it shouldn't be difficult to dress well.

If she was as insanely smart as she thinks she is, or what was it she SAID people called her? Whip Smart? Well, she would have learned some tricks from the stylists at Suits. It's not hard to pick up hints and tips, unless you think you know better. Which she does.

She just always looks like she's fallen into Oxfam head first, got up, and went on her merry way.

How tall is Queen Letizia? She seems to get it right.

R341, Re my previous post, IF MM went to British design students and asked them to create extremely flattering styles for shorter women with more womanly or even chunkier bodies then she could be a trend setter. There's a tremendous need for this market. Note what Bea and Eugenie usually wear, clothing designed for very tall, super thin women expanded to fit larger sizes. Worse they often show up in unflattering prints as that's what is supposedly au courant.

Bea and Euge’s style isn’t necessarily bad, but it doesn’t take advantage of their public prominence. They dress like any other rich 20/30something with access to Moda Operandi and don’t seem to understand or accept their figures. They could look fabulous if they wandered outside the same brands their set is wearing.

And similarly, Meghan doesn’t seem to understand or accept her place in the social hierarchy. She’s still chasing approval from the LA mom mafia by wearing Jen Meyer jewelry and name dropping The Class. (This might be the best sign that she’s still relying on Mulroney for advice, because I’m sure Mulroney is desperate to get in with that crowd.) MM could be calling freaking Michelle Obama for tea and advice if she wanted!

Presumably, Michelle Obama has better things to do than wade into this mess. She seems pretty astute in determining the bright line between what is and is not her problem.

honey come back

FFS R341, it's not hard to dress a woman like Meghan. Christ, the reason she was employable in Hollywood is partly because she's got the body type in the acceptable range in the first place! (It's not like she was a breakout star because of her talent or her beauty.) She fit the parameters and did whatever was required to hustle (including relationships she never took seriously to heart but temporarily committed to because they advanced her career.).

She sucked up when she needed to. She used her dad's connections when she needed to. She used her husband's connections when she needed to. She no doubt made other promises and suggestions (whether or not they were fulfilled) when she needed to. That's part of the Deal, right? Or, NO DEAL? Whatever. She played the game. She didn't rise to the top because she's cream, she rose because she fucking swam and stepped on as many heads as necessary. She's not a graceful, delightful person whose presence makes everyone feel wonderful. She's a calculated piece of work who got exactly what she wanted. The problem is that all she ever had was ambition - but no idea what to do with what she thought she wanted.

"Be careful of what you want, you just might get it."

The person who runs this website is pissed about the Sussex call for privacy. She's going to boycott the couple.

I hope she gets even fatter than she is now.

Honey come home

If they want a hug, he'll give him a hug.

R351 Certainly Michelle has better things to do. But one of the the things that gets me about both Meghan and Trump is—both have access to nearly anyone, whether that’s asking for advice or using their positions to introduce the person to the world. Brilliant artists, the greatest writers and thinkers, cutting edge scientists, etc. I just can’t imagine having as your goal “gain followers on Instagram” or “get people to kiss my ass” when it could be so many other, BIGGER things.

I love this photo of Kate on the cover of Hello.

sorry,computer ent weird r356 and 2 was meant one time

Oh dear.

R299 - odd you should mention the nose, it's the first thing I thought when I saw the photos, "Even her nose looks bigger!"

She's a bloody mess. The hat doesn't fit her head. Did she just roll out of bed?

She had a better Wimbledon look when she was dating Harry. She has more money now and access to the best designers and she looks worse? WTF? I guess it's true what they say: money can't buy you class.

She’s had some nice outfits, but she always gets something wrong: it’s inappropriate for the occasion, her undergarments are visible, tags are hanging off...

That Wimbledon outfit is a Flyover frau’s idea of “smart casual” circa 2008.

Where does she come up with this stuff? Skinny jeans and pumps? A white blazer with black plastic buttons?

R364 Unfortunately for her, about half of the fat from Meghan’s weight gain seems to have accumulated from the neck up. Even her head seems to have gotten bigger.

Meghan is going for the Oprah and #momlife crowd since she knows she's no longer able to compete with the likes of BSC Gwyneth. How else to explain the messy presentation today, her first solo public outing since giving birth. R364 Maybe she doesn't care anymore, she's like one of those suburban moms who let themselves go after having kids because well, #momlife, it's the go-to excuse for everything from overeating, gaining weight, to shirking work responsibilities.

Anne won a horse event and the Queen is proud.

Elizabeth and Margaret.

I think she’s really self-conscious about her weight and how it’s distributed, and this leads to bad style choices she tries to hide in.

Kate and this little girl got along quite well.

That hat makes me laugh and laugh. She's totally clueless.

R353, Why didn't I know you when I was younger and starting out in life? You speak the truth.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R313, Reminder: Sarah Latham is paid to whore out her actions for money. Anyone who wants their opinion to matter *must* continually go back and re-vote for the good posts on this thread. Sarah's job (and the even more frightening commitment of the Megstans) is to silence any dissident voice. Every British taxpayer needs to be muzzled.

People who object to paying for the goat rodeo that is the House of Sussexx must be overridden and silenced.

Jesus, Meghan looks a bloody mess. Her hair looks horrible hanging dry and coarse in large chunks from under a hat that's too small, a blazer that is groaning almost audibly, "Don't blame me, blame her fat arms!", the tacky jeans, and the two friends who also can't dress. The overall effect is, "Fuck the royal family, fuck Britain, I just don't have two fucks to give about it all any longer." The two friends look badly dressed, and the whole thing screams "I just can't make an effort any longer for people who didn't think my kid was worth an HRH like Kate's kids."

Compared to how Kate showed up earlier? Please.

Someone, BP and KP, please stop pretending you don't see the passive-aggressive hostility she's radiating and give Meghan and Harry what they want: their freedom. Just make sure we aren't helping to sustain their lifestyle after they've disembarked.

R376 take off the tin hat please. Much more interesting to gossip about why there was an easily avoidable baptism calendar clash than to read paranoid conspiracy ramblings.

That picture of her walking down the steps to the seats.....reminds me of Les Dawson and Roy Barraclough 's Cissie and Ada.

Such grace.

I think Meghan was trying to appropriate the casual Californian style that Jennifer Aniston has been known for in the past 15 years or so. JA wears the same sort of outfits that fits in with her aesthetics, in that she's not a trendsetter but she does have her own identifiable style. You'll never see JA wear oddly fitted outfits betraying her trying to be someone she's not. For that reason she's stylish while someone like Meghan is not.

[quote] Anyone who wants their opinion to matter *must* continually go back and re-vote for the good posts on this thread.

What a good use of your time.

Right, I thought the christening was set for July 4th. Now it’s rescheduled? What kind of slipshod shit IS that?

Why is everything about this bitch impossible to nail down? She won’t give a straight answer or be transparent about anything. The story changes three times.

Chaos, obfuscation, confusion... it’s her MO.

Imagine thinking Sarah Latham even knows what DL is. If she came to a client paying her thousands of dollars and said “we need to hire people to go through and click on posts in the ongoing DL British Royal Family thread”...LOL

The DM article has extensive quotes in it, whether or not they are reliable is not verifiable. It states that the Queen "would have liked" to be at the christening, which is a nice attempt to deny the idea that she just didn't give a fuck; but at the same time "reveals" that the BP office was "surprised that the couple didn't to a better job of planning". Most royal infants are christened at three months, not two. So the sum at the bottom of the column is still in negative terrirtory and makes it rather clear that the Queen's schedule was way down on Meghan's and Harry's list of priorities.

The whole privacy issue is so bankrupt of any logic, it's unbelievable. Still photos released later creates more distance between the public and the royals. Seeing them arrive and enter live lessens that distance. So much for Meghan's and Harry's "common touch".

I'm beginning to think these two are experiencing a mutual psychotic break.

If you have Google alerts set it's surprising what you find.

If I lose a thread on DL, I find it quicker by Googling it, lol.

And I know, I shouldn't have lost it in the first place, but hey.

Have had a good giggle over some of the old Dangling Tendrils threads after finding them on Google.

R378 - don't admonish! Nobody here is suggesting that people must be silenced.

Au contraire. We're trying to figure out how and why we are being actively silenced on DL. If you follow the WWs and refresh your screen, you will see is definitely happening.

Sorry, that was meant to address the Sara Latham poster ^^^^

The Express just published an article about how Kate's spending makes Meghan's spending look like 'pocket money'.

R382 - "Chaos, obfuscation, confusion... it’s her MO."

You've answered your own question. The changing narrative is her story. In fact, it always was, look at all the shifts and lies and evasions surrounding her early relationship with Harry and the dates - look at how she talked about her father on social media before she started dating a Windsor - she's straight out of "Gaslight", only she's Charles Boyer and Harry is Ingrid Bergman.

Do the rest of the royals get this message at all? At all?!

That DM article is weird, with conflicting signals: - Queen wanted to attend. - Baptism was planned before the birth, because the Queen’s photo with Archie was the concession for her missing the baptism. - This weekend was good timing for the American guests, and later in the summer would not be. - That means accommodating the American guests’ summer plans for August was more important than picking a date the Queen could attend.

That doesn’t seem plausible? A godparent wouldn’t have agreed, with months of advance notice, to move a family beach vacation or the like in August for just a day or two in order to help out the Queen of England? Yeah right.

R276 is the Welp Troll. Is 100% convinced that anyone who likes Meghan is a PR shill.

R376 = Welp Troll.

She thinks any dissent to the Hate Meghan Brigade is PR shilling. Please don't pander to her paranoia.

R391 the funny thing is, no one here particularly likes Meghan. It’s just that some of us believe she’s merely devoid of substance and taste rather than thinking she’s part of some grand conspiracy to take over the world.

Isn't Jennifer A. just forever trapped in a sad Friends time warp? Not a fan of that look tbh. If I could suggest a pudgy face woman that was IMO beautiful,I would go Linda Rondstadt

Meghan's made a few of tomorrow's front pages:

R383, Imagine her being on the payroll (financed by the British taxpayer but nevermind...) to manage the Sussex online presence and NOT being aware of DL? Isn't her very job to be managing the popularity (and lack thereof) of the Suxxex online?

Please do educate me if I'm wrong. I understood Sarah Latham's role to be: "head of communications." She's the strategy behind the brand. OOH!

R396 I say this with only love in my heart for DL...but I think you are way overestimating our influence here

R381, We don't make the rules. Team Smegma is obviously playing outside the spirit of the law, so it's only proper to remind people of how it works.

Dear Ladies of DL:

Thank you for liking posts that defend my wife's honor. As a token of our appreciation, please accept this autographed photo.

With kindest regards,

Prince Harry

R391, R392, you seem to find it difficult to believe...

More than one person is nauseated by HRH (Her Round Highness) the Denseness of Sucksex.

R399, Thanks Harry! What have you done with the rest of her? That woman is at least 3 stone smaller than your current wife. Are they still the same woman??

Well look at that R399!

She's sure changed her signature after she'd snared him. Look at her signature, now ( right hand side, in the box on Wiki ).

She's so fake.

R396 - The Queen and Charles share Latham's salary personally. The rest of the Sussex PR office is funded publicly, just like the Cambridges' and the Queen's own, and the Wales's.

By royal decree I exclude both r401 and r402 from enjoying the autographed photo. Furthermore, I have authorized my agents to hunt you down and imprison you in the Tower until your attitude improves.

R394 I think Elizabeth McGovern has a very round face that's also unique and quite beautiful, such an underrated actress now famous for being on Downton Abbey. But I looked up her photos when she was young and her face was so pudgy, yet very photogenic. Her look was very unique and that in itself can be beautiful, she was not Hollywood cookie cutter that's for sure. I don't think round face is same with weight gain leading to fat face though.

R388, It's rather "comparing apples to engine blocks" though.

After all, Kate is wife of one future monarch, and the mother of another (and of course 2 spares). She's received multiple honors from HRH.

In other words, she's part of the future of the British monarchy.

Meghan is hardly her equivalent. Of COURSE Meg doesn't need as nice a residence, of COURSE Meg doesn't need extensive staff, of COURSE Meg doesn't need couture wardrobe, of COURSE Meg doesn't need access to the royal jewels, of COURSE Meg doesn't need a personal budget on the order of Kates.

Of COURSE. Meg isn't important like Kate and she never will be. This is obvious. It's thousands of years worth of history. Why is Meg the only one who is confused (well, and her dumb American stans, but they have no idea how it works. They're so stupid they think all "princesses!" are the same.)

R399, Wow that signature. Anyone on DL also familiar with handwriting analysis?

[quote] We're trying to figure out how and why we are being actively silenced on DL. If you follow the WWs and refresh your screen, you will see is definitely happening.

It is a site-wide issue. Unclench.

R408 These people are the QAnon of DL

R397, if that were true, then a very popular thread wouldn't have to fight the grays. Let's face it: Megstans can't handle the truth.

R408, not all threads get the grays.

One for the video analysts!

Oh I shouldn't laugh, but.....

[quote] [R397], if that were true, then a very popular thread wouldn't have to fight the grays. Let's face it: Megstans can't handle the truth.

LOL. You are insane. The threads get grayed out because the vast majority of members despise these obsessive, humorless threads-- it has nothing to do with feelings for or against Meghan Markle.

R383, If she's any good at her job, she'll be familiar with tools to monitor online reputation. And having had Mrs. Clinton as a client, she must needs to have been good at her job.

Knew I recognised Markle's friends. Hips like battleships.

This thread is greyed out because even the tiara experts have fled from the tin hat frau brigade that congregates here.

R414 beat me to it — these threads are despised. If you ever ventured out of the MM threads, you’d see.

In my post at r408 I was referring specifically to the new thing where posts can be W&Wed multiple times. That’s new and it’s happening across the site.

R417, what an interesting suggestion. Instead of ignoring a thread you don't care for, you've waded in to the 400+ post of a thread just to express that it's boring. My, my - what do you do when you're actively engaged?

The “privacy” thing serves multiple purposes.

First, most important, it lets MM control her narrative as she keeps building her brand for her eventual US housewives or whatever.

Second, the more evasive she is, the more interest she gets from the press. She kicks up the tabloid stalking. (Kate’s out pushing strollers and letting the kids get snacks or hit the bathroom at a pub. People aren’t shrieking like Kate’s the Beatles and not letting her live.) MM could totally just go about her business and much of the intrusion would be minimal. She doesn’t want that though, she wants to be the hunted fox because it serves her fame plans and the next motivation....

The more she “hides,” the more she can play up to Harry’s mom issues (they just won’t leave me alone, won’t you please save me). The act gets her more press AND twists Harry’s Achilles heel at the same time.

R414, If you despise them, how do you get to be the 414th post?

I too find that there are threads that don't capture my attention. Unlike you, I don't read in for 83 parts (600 posts each) and then follow them down to the 400th just to point out how above it all I am.

Can you elaborate on it? Here I thought I should just ignore the threads that don't interest me, and I don't read them in the first place. Yet, your suggestion is that you're ignoring the threads that don't interest you, but if that's the case - how are you in so deep? You must have some personal physics that's mysterious for the rest of us. Please tell!

R414 said the vast majority of DL members despite these threads and downvote the thread, not that members are in the thread reading 600 individual posts.

Those of us in here trying to explain how the thread gets greyed out enjoy the topic of the post—discussing the British Royal Family—but find the posters who think Meghan and Sara Latham are lizard people out to control the universe tiresome and deluded.

[quote] [R414], If you despise them, how do you get to be the 414th post?

I scroll past long "theory" posts like 420 and read for zingers. If I see an opening, I post. I'm the Prince Harry poster, for instance. There's nothing deep or interesting about this family or the insights into it here. It's a silly gossip topic. Nothing more, nothing less.

R422, that's interesting. When I don't care for a topic, I don't read it. I don't bother to downvote it. I simply ignore it. For example, there's a thread "Is it oka to feed the bunnies in my yard?" I don't care, so I'm ignoring it. I'm not downvoting it. I'm ignoring it. You're suggesting that DL members who don't care would downvote it. I'm not seeing that though. Can you explain the discrepancy?

R424 DL members who don’t particularly care about the royal family downvote the entire topic of the post because there’s a perception (which imo is correct) that a bunch of odd people come to DL just to theorize in these threads, 99% of which is focused on Meghan Markle and how “evil” she is. These posters like to bring up Sara Latham, etc, and the worst of the worst allude to racist theories or make outright racist comments. These posters also don’t tend to fit in with the majority of people on DL at large (gay men) and sometimes migrate to other DL threads in confusion at the site culture. Many of these posters are tiresome and keep trying to focus the discussion away from more classic BRF gossip (tiaras, Princess Anne the legend, Andrew/Charles animosity)’to harp over and over again on how Meghan has some secret scheme, is monitoring posts at DL, is an evil genius, etc, posting long paragraphs of musings on these topics. It makes these threads boring and not fun and bitchy.

r405, Yes she was really beautiful in Once Upon A Time In America. I hated Robert DeNiro after that! Some girls suit a round face,some look inflated I guess. {394}

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R427 I'll say it again, Meghan is stuck in the 1990s/ early 2000s LA chic and that whole casual Jennifer Aniston California look complete with semi-messy-wavy hair.

I just can’t get over the jeans—this is the season for linen, honey!

Why couldn't Meghan have gotten her guests into the Royal box section?

R429, Why are you suggesting linen and not pure cotton, like a V-neck simple cotton dress in a pretty solid color with a lightweight white bolero jacket?

R428, I agree.

Have you seen their size? No way they would not fit R430.

R431, I suggested linen earlier, too I’m not r429. It’s a. I’ve breathable natural fabric traditionally worn in summer. Like seersucker.

R434, come, come now. We know that if she'd worn linen, you and the other fishwives would have started squawking about 'creased fabric, making no effort' as you do when Harry wears linen.

She should wear polyester head to toe, to sweat away the weight or at least the bloat.

R433 How big is the box? That friend on Meghan's right does look pretty obese.

Yoko morphing into Jacko!

R436, she is thinner every time we see her. You won't be able to keep this joke up much longer. Maybe you can transfer your body shaming to massive, jowly William or the Queen and Camilla, who have been twice the size of Meghan for decades.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

r438, Are you the big fat knacker then?

R439 Fuck off with your fat-shaming bit, this is DL where we fat shame without shame, have you seen the Chrissy Metz threads? We're equal opportunity fat shamers, Fergie gets her fair share here too but did you get apeshit over that too?

sorry 438 I meant 439...my eyes are doomed

So easier to view relationships when I'm not personally involved. Have seen so many men who fall for very manipulative women, particularly in Hollywood. Never understood the appeal of Bitches. Yes MM is an achiever who seems to make the most of what she's given on the surface. Maybe I'm wrong, and she's really a very nice person in reality?

If you’re not really religious and you’re going to keep it a big secret, what’s the point of a christening?

The Queen's not going to the christening. She's already in Scotland. She won't come back for a christening. It took a dead megastar, all the tabloids and an outraged nation to get her to come back for a funeral, and that took a couple of days to decide.

R425 doesn't even try to present a balanced view of those who post now or have posted in the past on various Royal Family threads.

Megantoinette's preacher works the crowd...

R446 LOL best comment and so true!

R418 - Most of us participate on lots of different DL threads. In the meantime, these threads are so "despised" that we're probably going to have to celebrate a centenary in a week or so as they hit 100, they fill up so fast.

Fuck off to threads you like better. The royals are the best gossip for money many of us have seen here in a long time.

I mean, do you get it? Titles, titties, tiaras? What the fuck more could you want?!

It's really important to wear clothes that fit well esp when you have put on weight. Even if you are thin, if you wear ill fitting clothes, you can look fat. I'm really surprised she doesn't know this considering the field she was in before the marriage.

I wonder why her best friends didn't tell her the jacket was too small. So sad that she doesn't even have friends who can tell her the #coldhardtruth. tragic.

Regular Dl-ers are sick of the tinhats ranting about Sara Latham and PR shills.

Don't you love how every big events of the Harkles life is surrounded by DRAMA!

Daddy Markle and the wedding DRAMA.

Archie's birth and the Hospital DRAMA.

Now Archie and the Godparents DRAMA.

Don't tell me it's not some dumb PR game. There's no need for so much drama and other members of the family are drama-free besides dumb rumors.

The Harkles live in some kind of weird Mexican Telenovelas.

You’re the one who doesn’t get it, r450, and I’m not ducking off anywhere. I am thoroughly entertained by these threads. I am just pointing out that I have been in a number of unrelated threads, going back to when the Dangling Tendrils threads were active, where people were moaning and telling others to F&F DAngling Tendrils, and now BRF threads, because they’re seen as overrun by frauen and tin-hats. That’s just a fact. You can do a search if you don’t believe me.

I lost my [italic]Let’s Be The Tig[/italic] thread to people who were crying in random threads about it being a racist-frau thread that needed to be obliterated, when it was anything but. Her purple prose has what to with race, exactly? That’s just the way things are viewed here and being in denial about DL’s zeitgeist won’t change a thing, for better or for worse.

^^not ducking off, and certainly not fucking off anywhere.

[quote]I wonder why her best friends didn't tell her the jacket was too small

Can’t you just picture how that would go?

Fat pride

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

American pride

I hate to be that person, but here goes.

The Queen is HER MAJESTY. She is HM, not HRH. She hasn't been a Royal Highness since 6th February 1952, when she acceded to the throne and became Her Majesty. HRH could refer to any of the various Princes, Dukes, Princesses or Duchesses that litter London.

There is only one HM.

Speaking for myself and why I participate here, I don't particularly love the BRF because FFS I'm American and I was only a child when all the Diana drama was raging. First of all, the BRF are people in extraordinary positions who nevertheless go about doing pedestrian things like visiting hospital wings, local charities/ businesses, and gardens. They carry out these events while wearing interesting (either good or bad way) outfits. Second, between these rather sedate gigs they sometimes glam up for ritzy or stately events such as when they host foreign dignitaries. These combined events occur regularly enough that we think we know them pretty well; sometimes dissecting their public body language to guess what kind of fuckery is going on privately within the family. It's essentially a real life soap opera of people whom we know a lot about and have the opportunity to follow on a weekly if not almost daily basis. It's like they're unofficially in a reality show. But that's the trade-off for their lifestyle, and they want to keep the grift going because the positives greatly outweighs the negatives.

She's already lost most of the weight, so your fun is over. Looks to be a UK 10 or 12 already and will soon be back to a 6/8 like she was before. But the racists here can still attack her nappy hair or say she's high on drugs.

R463 "Oh my God, you said she looks chubby, you must part of the KKK".

By the way, she looks high as a kite quite often.

Move on Megbot you're not gonna convince anyone to be part of your Kween cult here.

Uh-oh looks like the "you're racist" trolls are coming back to incite then leave like they always do. Using racist words themselves while attributing them to other posts that they imagine or reinterpret as racist in their heads. Don't engage them just ignore.

R464, I was just gonna say the same thing...I wonder if she's taking happy pills, she looks wayyy to happy...probably faking it. Bad actress.

The "racist trolls" always appear when the Harkles fuck up and there's no rational arguments to defend them.

Like the Harkles do something objectively stupid like all this Christening unnecessary drama and their only defense is "you're racist anyway".

R466 I just think she takes pills for anxiety and looks stoned.

Like for her wedding, she looked like she was barely there, she must think looking nervous is a bad look for your wedding. I would take happy pills too if I had to marry Harry.

She also looked high for her first engagements, again she must not deal with stress easily.

R466 = Danja Zone who always says 'bless me, she's stoned' whenever Meg smiles and laughs and 'Harry hates her' if they both look serious. So predictable.

She's fat/high/underdressed/overdressed/wearing a wig/weave/miserable/divorcing/merching ad infinitum for 8 million threads.

I hope MM as acquired an accent like Wallis. Enjoy bitches!

FFS I can't stand Meghan but there's no evidence that she's on drugs, not even anti-anxiety meds. People who take anxiolytics to get through the day don't look stoned they still act like they have residual symptoms of anxiety. And if they're sedated they don't tend to look stoned they just look sleepy. Also anxiolytics aren't the only meds for anxiety symptoms, I doubt she'd be on something that's sedating especially if she's attending public events. You can get non-sedating anti-anxiety meds like propranolol which works great.

R257 Most Asians are thinner than Caucasians because they have a higher metabolism.

I think she tries to hide her anxiety by pacing her speech and slowing her breathing and movements, and sometimes she goes overboard.

Her chest breaking out in red and white blotches as her speech below goes on negates all of her efforts.

R471 So for you she looked totally normal at her wedding?

The thing is Meghan is very actressy and plays a role most of the time.

At Archie presentation, she looked like a normal new mother a bit overwhelmed by the novelty. She also looked genuine at Ansac day where she was alone with the German President's wife at the balcony.

It's not that I think she's fake, I think she's like that. That's her personnality, she's on a show and plays the Duchess or the happy wife most of the time and from time to time we can see the real Meghan.

I think most people would like her more if we could see the real Meghan more often.

I think it's also part of the problem between Meghan and the press.

She must think she does such a great job at being a wife, a mother and a Duchess and doesn't understand why her efforts for being so perfect are mocked by the press.

R444 Maybe she is, maybe she isn’t...

The bitch wore dungarees to Wimbledon. She's rubbish.

Richard Palmer has a good take on the Christening drama.

The Harkles are assholes and the Queen covers their ass, like she always did for the shady members of her family.

Interesting, one of Meghan's good buddy is a Republican and a pro-fracking lobbyist.

Duchess Meghan has interesting friends.

#savetheworld

R126 Spot on! These sorts of elaborate shenanigans are usually the result of the one base motive. The inevitable comparisons between Herself and Kate. Can’t think of any other really good reason for the charade.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

R478 More and more I think your take is basically the right one. That's not to say HM and the rest of them are happy about Hazbean's handling of - well, everything. Just to confirm that it has always, always been her MO to circle the wagons against outsiders over nipping internal family issues in the bud. After all the shit that went down between Charles and Diana it basically took Diana going on TV and straight up saying Charles would be a shit king for HM to do anything.

There are almost certainly a number of senior royals and courtiers who cannot stand Meg or No-Longer-Charmingly-Hot-Headed Haz. I would put money on William, Anne and Andrew loathing her. But the thing about all of them is that they actually get that the collective that is the BRF comes first. It's going to take a lot more than repeated hamfisting of public life events (which at this point I believe we can continue to count on) to get them to openly turn on a married-in. Harry's being aggro af over it all probably has them walking on even more fragile eggshells, too.

Don't mistake any of this for sympathy, either. Meghan Markle has not been a positive influence on the standing of the BRF with the public, and it's entirely on her own (and her dim hubby's) head. She hasn't done anything profoundly damaging to the family yet, but she's on her way if the incidents keep piling up. The BBC and higher-ups at the CofE have all commented negatively on this latest brouhaha over the christening.

HM isn't good at telling. And I think Harry and his wife need to be told. The longer it's put off the more necessary it's going to become.

Bettie is 93 years old, too old to give a fuck anyway and she won't grow balls now.

Then there's Charles but I think he fears Harry's tantrums. Charles looks like his mother when it comes to deal with his sons.

And finally William but Harry is pissed at him and won't listen.

There's no one in the family to tell them "Stop, now you do as we say otherwise we close the bank account". No one has this king of influence on Harry.

Maybe Harry has them over a barrel and threatens to take them all down if they don't treat his wife well. Who are they, really to get on a high horse?

R484 Meghan is treated well by the family.

They have much more leeway than anyone else in the family, they have nothing to complain about.

With Philip retired, I think the RF has lost its "Enforcer".

The obvious choice to replace him in that role is The Princess Royal.

Hardest working royal, never in the line of succession because she was born a girl, unquestionably loyal to the Queen. No nonsense, no bs and I believe absolutely ruthless should conditions require it.

HM should call in Anne and give her carte blanche to deal with Sparkle and Dim.

Anne is not as respected as she should be by the family I fear.

Charles is weak, Anne would have been an incredible Queen but she' s not in line.

R486 Don’t be ridiculous - Anne has always been in line of succession. If being female barred her from the line of succession then how do you think her mother - The Queen - succeeded to the throne?

R486 I would agree but Liz probably just wants them sternly told off, rather than torn to pieces and fed to hounds.

R488 yes, you’re absolutely right. The trouble is that Anne was displaced by the two younger brothers who were born so long after she was. That alone would have been so aggravating, but would have been even so much more so following the Succession to the Crown Act, which placed Charlotte firmly after George, and never to be displaced by a younger brother. The Queen, though, was always on shaky ground because she could have been displaced by a younger brother. I remember reading somewhere, sometime, that following George V’s death, that the Queen Mother was subjected to a pregnancy test at the age of 51, to ensure that she wasn’t carrying that hugely valuable asset - a boy. Imagine the tumult that would have ensued had that particular miracle taken place.

Lol, James O'Brien is speaking about the Godparents's drama.

I never thought he would speak about the Harkles.

I am thinking if I was the Queen and Charles - either terribly weak willed or terribly generous when it comes to unhelpful behaviour by lessers on the team - what would I do? The Harkles are a problem. In and of itself nothing is so bad but add it up and they become a tiresome pair - and taxpayers don't pay for tiresome willingly. So I think the strategy will be to let the Harkles behave as badly as they do for as long as they are together (sort of the Andy and Fergie strategy) and wait for the inevitable bust up - but where they will diverge from the past is the flawless, faultless contrasting performance of the Cambridge family (unlike the triumphant efforts of Charles and Diana.) So the basic message will be oh, ignore them, look at the wonderful, ideal Cambridges. William is plainly, in a plainer way, starting to take up the compassion role (witness the gay kids comments), whereas Kate seems to be emulating the Queen Mother... lovely, immaculate, somewhat seen and not heard (and probably, like the Queen Mother and very likely her own mother, with a backbone of steel.) The nice thing about William and Kate is when they go out as a pair if you were on the walkabout line you'd probably be as pleased to get one as the other, so they aren't in competition like his parents.). It seems to be a successful match.

Eventually some courtier will be allowed to leak without attribution things like 'oh, what can you do?' and 'the family accepts they're basically hopeless', when it comes to the Harkles.

I don't predict it but wouldn't be surprised if there is another Cambridge baby yet.

The law may prevent the Sussex' having a private christening for Archie.

Charles and Camilla.

The Prince of Wales.

The Queen will miss the christening because she's going to enjoy a rare weekend away with Prince Philip.

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

[post redacted because linking to dailymail.co.uk clearly indicates that the poster is either a troll or an idiot (probably both, honestly.) Our advice is that you just ignore this poster but whatever you do, don't click on any link to this putrid rag.]

All you have to do to look good at events is look at photos of past years, eg, Ascot, Aintree, weddings, etc. There are so many women who look incredible, mixed in with the hair-raising horrors of course. And you pick out the ones in the same age range and body type as yours and go to some upscale shops and construct an outfit. Looking at Bea, Yuge and MM, it's almost as if they picked the worst looks they could find.

That's not a comparison I would've liked.

Harry is looking rough.

I can't get over how much swollen Meghan's face is after two months. She even has a double chin.

Old photos of William on a beach.

The Queen with her "second" family Andrew and Edward.

R453 - You have to take the bitter with the sweet. Most of us do not subscribe to the surrogate, faux baby tinhat bullshit, either, that so often infect these threads.

Sara Latham, however, is not a tin-hat conspiracy theory: she did work for Hillary Clinton, the Sussexes did hire her to push their brand, and the Queen and Charles are personally sharing the cost of her astronomical £140,000 p.a. salary. Paid shills aren't exactly unknown quantities to actresses like Meghan Markle, she's been using them for years, well before she snagged Harry. That's not really so out there wherever Meghan Markle is concerned.

In the meantime, there's plenty else to enjoy here, especially given the newest royal duchess's penchant for making a huge mysterious deal out of the simplest most straightforward royal customs, like taking the fucking baby home and spending five minutes waving to the public before doing so, the same public whose taxes help pay for your luxurious lifestyle, or taking a five-minute walk into the church to have the baby christened and listing the godparents.

If you want to blame someone for all the High Drama, blame Meghan Markle. She generates it the way Pigpen from the Charlie Brown cartoons generates a cloud of dust.

She gives us no choice but to have at it here.

Besides, we all have to be here when the divorce is announced, or the announcement that Harry is pulling out of the BRF and heading to Beverly Hills with the missus and kids.

Oh, a ring with an emerald on her pinky. She's really fond of emeralds, isn't she?

And wow, she got fat, you can't deny that. She must've been stuffing her pie hole incessantly now that Hapless Harry isn't stuffing her other holes.

Royal expert Richard Palmer weighs in.

re R503's pics

Hey William, what about, ummmm, going fishing?

Is anyone else having issues with getting these threads to refresh and show the latest posts?

R509 Me too, there's problems with DL lately.

R486 - Anne has no power, either. The Enforcer will, increasingly, be William. I think this is getting more and more evident. Charles has no problem playing the Enforcer with his brother, Andrew, but Harry is his son and thus there are conflicts for Charles, in fairness, as there would be for any father.

But as reported, it was both the Queen and Charles who refused the Harkles' request to have their own separate PR office, their own court and household. So, I wouldn't say the Queen and Charles were completely hors de combat, but increasingly it's William stepping up. He's the only one who had the spine to tell Harry the truth about Meghan. That's why there's so much bad blood between the brothers now.

And that's why, should Charles unexpectedly predecease his mother, and William suddenly be pushed farther up, woe betide the Harkles.

William now has three young children whose interests and future inheritance far outweigh sentimental considerations of his feckless brother.

R492 has a good point. If you were at one of their walkabouts, you probably would have no preference between Kate and William and Charles ' jealousy over Diana's popularity drove him mad, his ego couldn't handle it.

What can be said about MM and Harry? Harry was always popular in the "younger brother is more relaxed and charming" way. People are curious about meeting MM although to me she screams phoniness. So I wonder if there is a walkabout preference for them.

R390, I think the current christening date was good for Americans because yesterday was a public holiday, so easier easier for them to get away, just having to take the Friday off. Most Americans don't get a lot of vacation.

Diana wasn't afraid of throwing herself into her sons' track day activities.

William and Harry watching videos of their mother. Notice the look on William's face at the start of the film.

It's Tiara Time. Swipe for photos of Princess Margaret's Poltimore Tiara. It sold for 1.7 million.

Do noses get bigger during and after pregnancy? Meghan's looks like her nose has spread.

R513 - Oh, please - most royal infants are christened at three months, not two months, and it's the start of the summer hols. No one can tell me these godparents couldn't get away at any point for the christening of Queen Elizabeth's great-grandchild.

The Queen's availability should have been their first consideration. That's how this game works. It's not the first time Meghan Markle has managed to insult the Queen and make it clear she thinks HM is an old fart on her way out and Meghan doesn't need to pay the slightest attention to her any longer, she's safe inside the little Golden Circle with the ring on her finger, the title, and now, the insurance policy.

The Queen is "the fount of all honour" and it is she who created Harry Duke of Sussex and therefore turned Meghan into a royal duchess.

They both seem creepier and more out of touch with the reality of the BRF with every month - except, of course, financially.

If Charles predeceases the Queen, or gets raptured five minutes after finally becoming King, the Sussexes will be on the first plane out.

Can someone explain me why each time we speak about Harry (not here obviously) the first thing people speak about is Di's funeral and why it never happens when people are speaking about William?

William wasn't there? He wasn't a young boy himself?

I just don't get why people give Harry a pass 20 years after his mother death because of the funeral.

She really isn't that fat Not at all. I think it is remarkable that she ever got "hot girl" roles given her figure. But the issues with her figure are not her fault and she doesn't have that much weight to lose. I'm no fan of MM, but given her background, why do people expect better?

R518 - exactly. When any royal plans for a big family event, they consult with the secretaries of the main players to see what date is convenient for them. The main players in this case are the Queen, Prince of Wales and the Cambridges and of course Doria. The godparents scheduled are then investigated. It's not that fucking difficult. If you want the Head of the Firm to attend, make bloody sure she can be there. Duh.

Camilla at an Opening of Parliament.

I don't know if Camilla really said this but I find it amusing.

Complaining that his kilt was too tight, the Prince of Wales received an appropriately amused response from the Duchess of Cornwall: “Try being a woman for a day, then you can complain.”

Now, if it was me, I would have replied: Your kilt is too tight because you've put on weight, you silly prat". But that's just my way.

Photos of Kate's parents Carole and Michael Middleton at Wimbledon this week.

The Household Cavalry at the seaside. Men and their horses frolic on the beach and in the sea. What a treat!

It's funny that (some of) DL hates these threads, as their supposed reasons apply equally to the rest of the site: frau-y banal (missed restaurant chains); women-criticial (Armie Hammer's wife is too skinny); interspersed with racist/far right comments (any of the political ones); lacking in humour. The recent anti-BRF gossip thread was full of unfunny bores who seemed bitter that this thread moves so fast (sorry, guys, but BRF stuff happens every day, Harry and Megs are gossip gold, musing about Dove soap is dull).

I have a laugh at the conspiracy theory nuts and the vehemently anti-Meghan/anti-Kate posters here and enjoy the rest.

R517 yes your nose can get bigger in pregnancy though I'm not sure why hers hasn't shrunk back. I guess everywhere got fat on her. She is definitely one of those unfortunate women who completely change post pregnancynand I'm not sure if she will recover from this. She reminds me of Debra Messing who was so skinny pre pregnancy and just ballooned but never really gained her original body back.

Why do the links to Insta videos never work? I always get a grey box and "URL mismatch" when I try to click. I want to see Wills and Harry watching videos of their mother, and the horses in the sea!

R520 It's DL even super slim people are called fat.

It's just an easy way to drag her tbh

She's "fat" in relation to how skinny she was previously and how much she prioritized being skinny.

She'll never look the same again. She just isn't one of those snap back women.

She looks like she’s about 165 right now. I’d guess she’s lost about 25 pounds of an overall 80-85 pound pregnancy gain. She got way too big with the pregnancy, wonder if there was a thyroid or other issue.

I think she'll get slim again but I'm not sure if she'll go back to her previous body. The fat retained in her face will be more difficult to lose. Can any procedure help her with her face?

While in the city of York this week, the Duke of York met with the Archbishop of York. Judging by the lack of crowds, not many people seemed to care.

She isn't that tall and has minimal muscle. I doubt she weights anything near 165. And of course she will go back to her previous figure - it wasn't a good one! It is not hard to maintain a thick waist and skinny legs as you age.

The Welsh Guards playing for the Prince of Wales' 50th anniversary of the investiture.

R517 Yes the nose does get bigger, especially the tip becoming more bulbous during and after pregnancy. This can be due to multiple causes including increase in hormones, weight gain, and aging (if you're older mom). Hormonal changes can cause the body to swell including the nose, mostly it makes the nose appear wider/ bulbous as opposed to changing the shape. Also, during early stages of aging, skin of the nose become thicker and the. underlying structures such as ligaments supporting the nose weaken, thus leading to widening of the nose; this change is permanent as opposed to hormone-induced pregnancy nose. Lastly, yes the nose can enlarge due to weight gain. There are fat cells in skin of the nose especially tip of the nose, so when you gain weight the fat cells at the nose tip expand as well. Constitutionally, if all of these physical changes happen at the same period and the nose still remains enlarged/ widened after say, more than 6 months, than it's likely the changes are permanent. Sometimes women with pregnancy nose never go back to their pre-baby, former noses, we don't know why it's just luck of the genetic draw. But in those instances it's more likely that those women had naturally bulbous or tendency for bulbous noses in the first place and pregnancy just made it worse/ speeded up the process. I used to work in plastic surgery and it wasn't unusual for mommy makeovers to include tip rhinoplasty.

Finally an interesting tidbit, part of the difficulty in weight loss and weight maintenance has to do with genetics and the fact that when we lose weight we merely shrink the fat cells instead of ridding them entirely. So with every subsequent weight gain you acquire new fat cells, and over time particularly if you store fat in odd places or are a yo-yo dieter, you basically have a storage of shrunken fat cells that can easily be reactivated-- and you gain more weight than last time you dieted. This is why it's much easier to maintain through diet/ exercise regimen and not get fat in the first place, but hard to do when it's so easy to indulge during pregnancy. Now we recommend that women who are not underweight to only gain up to 15-16 kg after becoming pregnant and to stay active during pregnancy.

I think she'll lose some of the remaining weight but she's always been boxy and how the new weight is distributed makes me think that at least some of that is here to stay. Someone earlier said her weight distribution looks like a menopausal woman's weight gain and I think that's right. My mother was thin her whole life without any effort and even after having 5 kids she always bounced right back. Then menopause hit and she slowly turned into an apple shape without eating any differently. Hormones can be a real bitch and Meghan's hormones appear to be completely haywire to change the way she looks so dramatically.

R536 - thanks for answering my question.

R528 Go to your settings and uncheck “show link previews”

The weird obsession with her weight gives away how many (probably heavy) women are posting here. If it makes you feel better to think she weighs 165, go ahead I guess, but there’s no way she’s near that at her height.

I'm not R528 , but thank you R539. I wanted to see the horses frolicking in the sea, too.

R520 - She only got one "hot girl" role in her entire career outside of advertisement work. In fact, she that same role was the only real acting role of her entire career, which is why it causes eyes to roll when she's referred to as a "Hollywood star" when she was never anything of the kind, and which is why people cancelled their subscriptions to the NT when she was made its Patron on the basis of her "acting career and theatrical background". That was a bad judgement call by HM.

R521 - Exactly!

At her height? Meghan is 5'2" tops. She did not carry this pregnancy well, and yes she looks heavy. Especially compared to mother of three Kate.

I have no idea how much weight MM has gained but she looks so different from last year. Her face looks like a moon pie, her neck is fat, she has a double chin. In the baseball photos, you could see her fat rolls above her belt. In her jeans, her thighs look heavy. In other pics, her hips look wide. This is a big, big contrast to last year, eg, when she accompanied the queen.

R522 - I must say, Camilla looks fantastic and very regal there - like the future Queen Consort she is.

R543 - I've always thought that Meghan was only about 5'3" or less. The slut stilettos at official functions which included walkabouts and the like were a dead giveaway she wanted to look taller than she was.

R543 exactly, she’s just over five feet, not 5’9. There’s no way she’s 165 at that short height. Her friend sitting on her right yesterday is probably at that weight.

R547 - I have a female friend who is 5' 3" and she weighs 160 pounds when she had her yearly physical. I couldn't believe it when she told me and she nearly fell over when the doctor told her. My friend was 130 pounds for years and suddenly she's thirty pounds heavier. Her body type is similar to Meghan's boxy type. I don't know how much Meghan weighs but it's quite possible to be surprised at someone's weight. It depends on where the weight is distributed.

R543 Meghan is not 5'2", she's more like 5'4"-5'5" tops, certainly not 5'6" that she claimed to be on her actor CV. All actresses inflate their height and it's often only when you see them in person that you realize it. There are plenty of actresses today who are 5'3" and under, and many of them big stars. I worked in plastic surgery and had friends who did too or who work in makeup/ fashion/ PR for the film industry. Actresses that are 5'2" and under that I/ my friends have seen in person are: Natalie Portman (she's tiny; very small bone structure), Lady Gaga (prettier in person), Reese Witherspoon (wide shoulders/ short neck, probably 5'1" tops), Sarah Jessica Parker (looks tall in photos but short IRL), Mila Kunis (medium build, chunky), Amanda Seyfried (also prettier in person), Emilia Clark (big-boned, short limbs), Lucy Liu (gorgeous skin, doesn't look her age). For the record I'd only seen in person Lady Gaga (circa 2009), Natalie Portman about 8 years ago, SJP, Mila Kunis, and Lucy Liu maybe a year ago. Was most impressed with Liu because bitch has great skin no just face but body and looks like she's in her 30s not 50.

I think she's taller than you guys are saying. She looks really short next to Harry who is what, 6'2? Any average height woman would look short next to a man that tall. And Kate is reported to be 5'9 so she isn't dwarfed by the tall brothers. (Will is 6'3) I'd say Meghan is around 5'4 or 5'5.

This unbiased site is going with 5'5.

Re: the info on nose size changes due either to pregnancy or aging (and thanks to the poster who provided it), it is somewhat ironic that after going to all the trouble to narrow the end of her nose and lift the tip, Meghan's nose, fed by hormones and weight gain, has reverted to looking closer to its natural shape. Meghan probably looks more like her true self now than she has in 20 years, which is to say, very different from the Rachel Zane who attracted Harry's attention, sleekly and so much better dressed better by the "Suits" wardrobe team, then closer to 30 than 40. Now closer to 40 than 30, overweight, skin aging noticeably, badly dressed, looking far more like the woman she spent so much effort trying not to resemble, I wonder if Harry notices the difference and how he feels about it?

If she’s truly 5’6” as she claims and has moderate muscle, then— yes— right now she’s about 160 lb.

Heathy weight for a fit woman at that height is about 140, and she’s a bit overweight right now. Understandably so— she just had a baby. I’m sure she will lose it pretty quickly.

Markle was probably under weight prior to pregnancy, so she has more to lose if she wants to be underweight again.

And it’s possible she’s not 5’6”.

R550 - I agree with celebheights (a site I enjoy and turn to now and then for giggles)L she's about 5'5", I might even go with slightly shorter, but 5'7"? In her dreams.

I thought Harry is 6'1" and William is about 6'3"?

I just did a quick search and it seemed the consensus is that William is more than 1" taller than Harry who also has a history of inflating his height in interview.

Plans for baby Archie’s christening tomorrow are the latest effort by Harry and Meghan to control his life. But what they want for him is a royal fantasy.

Ooh, this is vicious.

R554 - Yes, that's what I've always read - Harry is slightly shorter than William (although hardly short) who is over 6'2". Kate is about 5'8"-5'9", Meghan about 5'4"=5'5".

In addition to wondering how Harry feels about the woman who now looks so different from the Rachel Zane character he had the hots for, and who probably is also far less charming and adaptable than she professed herself to be when she was trying to bag a big game prize (shades of Diana!), I wonder if how much more quickly his brother's wife returned to her former shape and look is another source of Harry's resentment against his brother. Meghan has made everything Harry tries and does look bad. Kate makes everything surrounding William look better.

Obama (who is still my POTUS not orange idiot) is just over 6'0" on a good day, and here's the photo of Harry next to Obama for comparison. There's no way that Harry is 6'2" like he claims to be. William being about 2" taller than Harry makes sense in this photo too (he's bald while Harry has some hair to give him extra inch of height).

R556 - The article throws a bit of shade, certainly. on the hypocrisy of the attitude that the Sussexes are pretending are the reason for their lunatic secrecy grandstanding, but it also repeats the same bullshit story the Sussexes circulated: that they "turned down" an HRH for Archie. They didn't. It was never on offer. And, that they "chose" Frogmore Cottage out of other options to give their children a "normal" life. They didn't - Frogmore Cottage is what they were given; the idea that a status seeker and limelight lover like Meghan Markle would have opted for that third-rate "official residence" instead of a real country home PLUS a grand flat in London is absurd.

The failure to offer Archie a title and the disappointing official residence they were fobbed off with (by their lights) is partly why Meghan and Harry are now willing to express their anger at the higher ups in the BRF.

Meghan Markle thought she was going to live just like Kate Middleton and be on exactly the same footing as Kate. When it turned out that in a hereditary monarchy, hereditary rules still apply, she turned nasty and Harry went with her.

That, and control of imaging and creating endless drama, are the reasons behind the secrecy and the failure to accommodate the Queen first and foremost in planning the christening, not giving Archie a "normal" life.

If Meghan wanted her kids to have "normal" lives that weren't hedged about with immense privileges from the moment they saw the liight, she'd have had them with Trevor Engelson or the hot Toronto chef she ditched for the scion of the Windsors.

R556 Harry and William have a "normal" kink.

They dream to be normal, but normal Harry could never marry someone like Meghan.

About the Frog cottage renovation- why didn’t Prince Charles pay out of pocket? There is a sort of hubris with the whole BRF in my opinion.

Instead of that casual hodge podge and ill-advised mess of an outfit she wore yesterday, Meghan should follow the example of another petite royal like Letizia of Spain here. Meghan would have looked good in a vibrant summery print dress with a little color.

Dig the standard and predicable mannerisms in each of these photos of Meghan The Actress.

I can't get over her face. Everything is BIGGER.

R561 - The Sovereign Grant paid for the "structural" renovations; the "refurbishments" and "decorative aspects" were claimed to be paid for by the Sussexes themselvs, which really means, Charles, as Harry's revenue from his trust after taxes and other expenses would have been decimated by what was spent. Charles is also sharing the cost of Sara Latham's salary with the Queen.

The 93-year-old Queen has to step a long way down from her car.

R564, now imagine Her Royal Hugeness' countenance WITHOUT the huge sunglasses distracting from the sheer facial fatness ...

Princess Margaret with her two children, David and Sarah.

R562, very similar to the black tropical print dress she wore in Birmingham (? ), when it was snowing. That would have been so much better than that horrible outfit yesterday, And cooler, too.

At first glance, I thought it was Louis but it's actually George.

[Quote]Can any procedure help her with her face?

How's this? R532

R558, I don't care about their heights, but I love Kate's dress in that picture.

R560, The Windsor's had a lovely time lampooning William's desire to be normal.

A portrait of William and Harry in uniform.

The Queen, her mother and a corgi.

The Queen shows some flirty shoulder moves in this video taken in Rio.

Actually the blame rests upon Harry for bringing Meghan into the family. All we read in the few years leading up to the marriage (when Harry was still dating other women) was that he wanted to find someone who's an actress or a celebrity. Rationale being that she'd know how to handle the media onslaught that he imagine they'd get. But now it's clear that the Sussexes' own actions trigger the public's reaction and media's coverage, thus driving the narrative that they are indeed being criticized. Harry wanted an actress, he got an actress, a bad one who also carries some serious emotional/ family baggages and who above all craves fame/ attention. It's Harry's fault from the start, when he made a point of trying to find a wife who's a celebrity or celebrity adjacent. Well what sort of women was he likely to find amongst that set? Women who weren't already swayed by notions of wealth/ fame? Yeah, good luck with that. His intentions were wrong and criteria were wrong for not just his status demanded but for what he emotionally needed. But Harry being too dumb and focused gaining fame to admit or know that. William and Phillip tried talking sense into him but he was too stubborn to heed their advice.

Re: Frogmore. Isn’t it possible that they’ve “merched” some of the furnishings? For example, the copper tub may have been deeply discounted in exchange for promotional consideration. “According to reports the royal couple purchased the luxury tub from Soho House supplier, William Holland.”

I’ve never heard of this Soho House supplier, but now everyone’s talking about him.

Yes, I know they’re “not allowed” to do this, but when has this ever stopped them?

R577 - only the emotionally damaged and/or stunted want to marry an actress. People who have an iota of common sense know that actors and actresses are - for the most part - vain and vacuous fame whores. Maybe Harry's poor choice for a bride is the type of person he's attracted to because he shares similar traits. I also think the Royal Family are partly responsible for the Sussex shitstorm.

Someone found this old book on Princess Anne.

And, Jan Moir of the DM nails it again in today's column on the nonsense surrounding Archie's christening. Excerpt below:

". . . Now, we are becoming familiar with the ongoing sourness of this Hollywood-style stand-off between the Sussexes’ understandable need for privacy and the bizarre extremes of their attempts to keep everyone at bay.

The Duchess knows how that world works.

No longer the ingenue actress trying to win an audience and bask in their approval, she is now centre stage in the consummate role of her career, her crowning achievement.

Yet there have been times, particularly around the birth of their son, when the Sussexes were behaving as though they were members of a witness protection programme, rather than the House of Windsor.

It is embarrassing. It is also insulting to a public who are deemed good enough to pay for their refurbishments at Frogmore, but not good enough to know who are godparents to the Queen’s great-grandson who is seventh in line to the throne.

And, if they sincerely wanted something low-key and no-frills befitting a private citizen, why draft in the A of C to officiate? After all, he is only the second most senior figure in the Church of England, after the Queen.

Over and over, I hear people saying that Harry and Meghan simply cannot have it both ways; that it’s wrong of them to enjoy all the perks and privileges of royal life without paying their dues and doing their duty to the public.

Yet they seem determined to do exactly that.

Having godparents who are sworn to secrecy and must never reveal their godparentage to the world is only the start of The Secret Life Of Archie Harrison Mountbatten-Windsor (Aged 1 And ¾ Months).

Where is it all going from here? Nowhere good."

The next thread Part 84 is up but please finish this one Part 83 before posting.

Sophie has one of the ugliest tiaras in the British Royal Family collection.

Some of Sophie's evening gowns.

Agree with poster upthread: plenty of blame to be shared out over the Sussex shitshow. Harry, for being a shallow twat who himself didn't care about the line between celebrity and royalty. The BRF, for letting him bring her in instead of taking a hard line with him and calling his bluff, inviting him to waive his place in the line of succession and head off to North America with his famewhore. Charles, for being an indulgent father riddled with guilt for the trauma his marriage with Harry's mother inflicted on his sons, especially Harry. And lastly, the BRF for not taking a harder line with the Sussexes earlier in the game when it was already clear that the bitch didn't give fuck all about the institution. They should have, at a minimum, limited her access to that wardrobe fund, demanded that she behave in line with royal custom or they'd remove her patronage and, therefore, her need for so extensive a wardrobe, and Charles should have told Harry that he either took a hard line with his wife or Charles would cut the supplement he gives to each son's household from the revenues from the Duchy of Cornwall.

The bits of admonishment they've handed out, (no HRH for the kid, the third-rate official residence, the Queen not showing up for Archie's christening, etc.), have been far too mild. Meghan's life still adds up to more than she could ever have expected if she hadn't married in, so she doesn't care. Harry, on the other hand, will pay of a price, but his privileges and lifestyle are still intact, so he figures he can afford the symbolic two fingers up to tradition and the institution.

Remains to be seen if and when Humpt Dumpty finally falls off the wall and all the King's horses and all the King's men cannot put him together again.

Possible godmothers for Archie? Does anyone fucking care anymore? These two prats are doing everything possible to make people hate their own child but I'm not going to succumb. The poor kid can't help who his parents are or how they're acting.

Camilla looks thrilled. LOL.

I can see Camilla and Harry dancing like the actors do in this video.

Camilla is always up for a drink!

The Queen having a spot of tea.

Lady Sarah Chatto was at Wimbledon. She's not a looker, is she?

She could be pretty with some make up.

Would a poster who's familiar with the CofE please explain the exact role of godparent to a BRF baby?

R586, Realize that one of the two BFF of MM is Jewish which makes her ineligible, right? Would the other have to be CofE or does being Christian suffice? What's the difference between CofE and Episcopalian?

The Queen Mum with her six grandchildren.

In this video, Sarah kisses the Queen and then she remembers to curtsey.

Sarah Chatto seems like a nice person who doesn't worry too much about looks; people can take her as she is, she doesn't care. She's said to be a favorite of the Queen.

Four babies were born in 1964: Prince Edward, Lady Sarah, Lady Helen and James Ogilvy. Swipe for photos.

One of my favorite photos of Princess Margaret.

I love these two photos of Margaret as well.

The official requirement for any godparent is that they are baptised.

But...like most things with the benign CofE....it’s really up to the vicar (or Archbishop.

A Jewish person, a Muslim or an atheist COULD be a godparent in theory (if the vicar is fine with it) bit it would be odd because they are supposed to promise to instruct the child in the Christian faith.

There’s a move to have “special friend/mentor” roles recognised alongside godparents which could be anyone.

You have to remember, the UK is becoming increasingly secular and the CofE wants to try and be as inclusive as possible so almost anything goes depending on what the vicar is happy with.

Lady Sarah seems to have a nice personality.

Cannot wait to see the christening photos. Most particularly the expression on William's face.

Imagine how he must feel about all this negative press. Sure, there have always been complaints about the royal family, but lately the rumblings about spending have seemed a bit more ominous. In the end, the Sussexes don't care, but this is William's heritage they're indirectly shitting on, the job he didn't ask for and yet has had to prepare for his whole life.

It’s possible that they’ll be their own godparents and then they’ll only need one other. It’s usually two male godparents for a boy, and Harry would have no trouble scraping one up.

I doubt that they will, but it would fit in with their insular weirdness.

I don’t think William would be upset at the monarchy falling apart. He’d still be wealthy, and could go back to the work he enjoyed.