British Royal Family Gossip: Part 67

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^^^^proportion

Why is the first photo you post on a British Royal Family thread of the Trump family? Please finish Part 66. Thank you.

It'sopart of a ROYAL event dumbass r3. Thank you.

R4 - I know that ass wipe but there are no Royals in the photo.

Tiffany's claret colored gown would be beautiful on a different woman.

Busting Trump.

I liked the concept of Melania’s white gown, just not the tacky “flames” motif. And she does rock a French twist.

The Queen looking out the window on the Royal Train. Prince Philip is seated on the left.

Ivanka’s style choices do disappoint me. She is a pretty woman with access to the best clothes and stylists in the world. She should do better.

Is Camilla still alive or has she turned into a wax figure?

I think Trump put on more weight after being fitted for the outfit.

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A tiny part of me wished Trump was still married to Ivana and that she'd rocked up to the State Banquet with that huge blonde bouffant and a tight Hot Pink bandage mini dress.....

Ivana is beautiful and a very smart lady. She's better off out of the Trump WH circus.

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Ivana would have absolutely GLORIED in being First Lady.

Yes, R17. Ivana would have been a glorious FLOTUS.

Ivanka is a surgical creation, a monstrosity with those pendulous bags of saline covering her chest (paid for by her Daddy)...and her nose jobs, cheek and jaw implants, and who knows what else.

She is neither smart nor pretty but she is good at grifting and making hypocritical statements. For example, she was pushing expanding maternity leave in the US while not providing any maternity leave for her slave laborers who stitch up her clothing line.

Poor Tiffany. Her gown was lovely but she looked like she is a bottle of dishwashing liquid that has one of those crafty dress covers.

The Quuen's ruby tiara was beautiful. Ivanka's dress was too casual and ugly. It looked like it was meant to be worn at a summer wedding of a friend or relative.

I'm so angry with the bloody sussex scum and their instagram. I only just saw that they put a picture of themselves for world AIDS day to celebrate Pride month! Pair of TWATS!! I have worked in NHS pathology since 1983, and nearly all early patients were infected through blood products. I thought we were way beyond the "gay plague" label. EVERYBODY needs to be aware of infections and keep safe. This is not an issue for Pride IMO. On a lighter note Melania and her wonky bosom was good for a laugh.

R6 - Right, on an operatic soprano with an 18" waist.

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From the NHS R21

[quote] The number of people with HIV in the UK is rising, and gay men are one of the highest risk groups.

Acknowledging that a group is at risk doesn't mean necessarily mean one supports the idea of a "gay plague."

The Daily Express is desperately recycling already tired old stories about the Sussexes and the Cambridges. There just isn't any news there so the DE is digging up old stuff, giving the stories new headlines, and pretending it's new information. That said, there was an interesting bit today on Meghan banishing all Harry's old country-polo set, including Tom Inskip, who covered Harry's arse in the Las Vegas escapade. Turns out, according to the source, that not only William but Inskip expressed reservations about Meghan and asked Harry if he wasn't more in lust than love, and if he shouldn't wait awhile before rushing into marriage. Inskip wasn't invited to the reception.

Thus, as I said on a previous thread, my guess is that one of the godparents at least will be Inskip or one of the von Straubenzees, to offset the rumours that Meghan has cut Harry off from his old friends and to see that Archie has at least one representative of the old aristo rich horsey country set there.

Ivanka has really missed the mark with every one of her dresses on this trip. All of them have been awful.

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"Mummy has all the artillery aimed at the perimeters......"

Meghan Markle gatecrashes the palace.

After seeing Tiffany's red gown from last night and cream dress today, IMO she's the best dressed of the state visit. Girl knows how to work that extra weight in style!

Work it Tiff, upstage those skinnier women. like only you can.

Tiffany looks nice in R29.

Trump must be eating 10 meals a day. He looks fatter than when he was in Japan and that was just a few days ago!

From the fee images and footage I've seen, it seems like neither William or Kate spoke to trump.. I'd be happy if they ignored him even though they had to go.

R27 I somehow expect those panels to start batting like eyelashes.

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I'm sure they at least greeted him, r33. It would be a major slap in the face of the Queen if they failed to do the basics for her guest.

Does Teresa May have advanced osteoporosis? She's so hunched in all the photos.

Are William/Kate going to act holier-than-thou when he is king in the future, Lest the media lambaste him for doing his supposed job? I fail to see how that's a great place to put yourself when they were worshiping the ground Obama walked on a few years back.

I love Melania's Hermes bag.

Fuck the royals, they are benefit scroungers, nothing more...useless cunts!

R40 - Morrisey, according to the DT, is slightly more partial to the monarchy than he used to be:

"The singer's formerly harsh stance on the monarchy seems to be softening. 'I have been invited to Buckingham Palace three times, did you know?" he boasts. "Charles once sent a signed note. If I get a fourth invitation I will go.'"

That said, Morrisey remains poised somewhere between Pluto and Uranus.

Fashion inspiration for Melania's coat.

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Ok peeps. This is the British Royal Family thread NOT the Trump Family thread. Please post only Royals and Trumps together. We don't need to see just the Trumps with Theresa May.

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R45 - there are TWO Trump threads about his visit to the UK. Please post on them. Ivanka's polka dot dress has nothing to do with the British Royal Family.

That Rose woman who is supposedly Kate’s competition makes me look like Grace Kelly! Being thin and beautiful aren’t the same thing. Plenty of ugly models aound. That Gerber girl doesn’t do it for me, yet she’s tops.

The Queen is still kicking after a long day yesterday. Today she met the Prime Minister of Australia and his wife.

"Did he leave yet? Is it safe to come out now?".

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Grace would be MEghan NOT attending Trooping the Colour this year. The Tindalls did not attend last year (yes, they would be invited as this is considered a "family" affair and Peter and Autumn and kids appeared on the balcony in 2018). Zara had been heavily pregnant, due at any time, and playing it safe following a miscarriage. So this year would be the debut of Louis and possibly Lena to the event. MEghan has a safe and appropriate excuse of being on maternity leave. She has no need to appear other than appease her ego. I wouldn't put it past her to even be so cruel as to brandish baby Archie for the spectacle. If she has any sense, she needs to remain out of sight until the christening. I for one do not in the least miss her and only mention her now to brace myself for the stunts she inevitably pulls for attention.

Kate's dress moves like a fleshly laundered duvet being dragged across the floor.

R37 May is used to crouching for the Queen. Did May ever shake Trump's hand during this trip of his?

Meghan is damned if she does and damned if she doesn't re Trooping the Colour. If she goes she's attention seeking. If she stays home she's not supporting the family.

Or if she stays at home, it's because she's " Not Allowed!"

Kate's dress when not being worn.

I do not see it in any way as not supporting the family if she doesn't attend. No one really wants her there besides her fan base. And Maternity leave is essential and should be a right (and/or rite of passage) for new mothers being not nearly appreciated enough especially in the U.S. This should be a case of putting words into action by enjoying being home with the baby instead of working.

Show us how woke as a new mother you are by staying away!

Exactly R56, who besides Harry will miss her not being there? Let Harry stay home with his wife and pout in the corner for all his sullen behavior at the luncheon for Trump.

Kate took time off from her mat leave for some family events. If Meghan doesn't attend, I think she will be unfavourably compared to Kate. Regardless of your personal preference R58, it's incorrect to say "No one really wants her there besides her fan base. " There are many casual royal observers who would expect her to attend as part of her duties. They may not even like her, but they think this is part of the job.

The Cambridge kids only first appeared at the Trooping on the BP balcony at around one year old. Prince Louis is alleged to be appearing for the first time this year, and he's just over one year old. Princess Charlotte made her first appearance in 2016, after turning one in May, while Prince George first appeared on the balcony in 2015, even later, as he was born in July of 2013. So the tradition seems to be at about a year old, give or take.

Archie is just one month old. Brandishing him on the balcony this year would scream Meghan hoisting the Every Bit The Mum Kate Is flag. It would be the height of her Look At Me! bullshit. It's certainly possible Meghan will be there (after all, Kate - against her own inclinations I'm sure - did her duty and attended Meghan's wedding less than a month after giving birth), but bringing the month-old baby? I wonder if the Queen would even allow it.

At any rate, we are allegedly going to see Prince Louis on the balcony for the first time this Saturday.

R60 - The Express agrees with you, stating that Meghan Markle is "believed" to be planning to attend as she is "keen" to be part of the Queen's birthday celebrations. Kate was also still on maternity leave at last year's Trooping, so we may, I think, expect to see Meghan.

As for people caring whether she does or not - well, from a gossip site's point of view we fervently hope so. However, I did the great British public gives a fuck at this point, and I wouldn't be surprised if the BRF congregated there would be just as happy without her.

I think she'll be at the Trooping AND bring Archie. I believe traditionally the Sussex duo have to stand behind the Cambridges on the balcony BUT if she has the baby everyone wants to see she can jockey a position upfront , she wins.

Mystery solved. Carole's Party Pieces kiddies lamp was design inspiration for Kate's dress.

Considering Harry's behaviour yesterday, surely their dream of touring the US is totally off the cards, now? I should think so, anyway.

Totally agree that we will see MM at the Trooping. More and more outlets are reporting that she is "reportedly attending". Bring on the hats.

I didn't like all the white, but I totally got what they were doing. White with blue and red to represent the flags. And if the Queen is doing white, with red and blue accessories, I'm guessing the unofficial run is Don't wear a bright color. Reading the US coverage of the clothes, it astounds me how little they know about how the BRF and its traditions work. I've learned more from DL than anywhere else.

I'm also extremely amused at the complete lack of knowledge over at Celebitchy over information that could be easily googled. The latest - that only Anne is the only woman to have an Order of the Garter and isn't it "interesting" Kate and Camilla and Sophie don't. Isn't that limited to a certain number of people. And it seems like it's a blood relations thing.... DL experts?

Unofficial RULE (agree about the edit button)

R65 Trump doesn't control every state in the US.

Did Eric really button his jacket in R1?! All the jokes about him being irredeemably daft all seem like fun and games until you see something like THIS.

No need to comment on Tiffany...I'm sure the plane ride over was torturous enough for her.

Are there even tours done to non-commonwealth nations? That would be a bit too much, for Americans to really pay longterm for some british prince and his wife. Canada+Australia sure, but the USA is a bit...idk

Meghan not attending coz she's fat like a cow. She is busy taking care of baby and have not gone to gym, just eating whatever is around the house i.e. sausages coz Harry loves them.

OK, Royal experts.

Question about the blue sashes.

I noticed that The Queen, The Princess Royal, and Princess Alexandra are the only ones wearing those sashes over their left shoulder.

The Duchess of Cornwall, The Duchess of Cambridge, The Duchess of Gloucester, and The Countess of Wessex wore their sash over their right shoulder.

Does anyone know the significance?

Is it because only blood royals wear the sash over their left shoulder?

R66, Yes, limited to 24 living Knights Companion, or in Anne's case, the title is Ladies Companion.

Tweet from Trump about Kate. It resurfaced right before this current trip.

Thank you R73. Knew someone here would know.

I thought Sophie's tiara looked different. Thankfully, that horrible wire gap has been filled in.

Speaking of ruffles...here is Diana. Her hair is not flattering either.

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James Middleton sure has a lot of dogs to transport.

The Rose Hanbury story was broken by Eden Confidential at the DM, reported by the Sunday Times with independent sources and confirmed by other tabloids.

The Queen's tiara was a great choice. She can throw some shade.

"Confirmed by other tabloids"? That's like saying the fox confirmed that he hadn't eaten any of the hens. The TIMES has carried unsourced and unproven stories before, notably Tiaragate, and who are the "independent sources" - like, say, friends of Meghan Markle?

Please. There wasn't a shred of proof about the Hanbury affair and if there had been she wouldn't have been at that banquet last night.

I love this.

Two US Presidents - One has class and the other is just crass.

Fashion critique.

R82 You may not consider those credible sources, but they are the same sources used for many of the stories people believe about other royals discussed on these threads

The Queen is not wearing the DGCVO sash - she's wearing the Garter sash, as is Anne and Alexandra, who are also both Ladies Companion of the Garter. That's why they are worn on the other shoulder, and they do not have the yellow borders of Kate's sash. It's a different order. The Order of the Garter is the alpha and omega of British orders - it outranks even the DCGVO.

There are also half a dozen or so Stranger Companions: e.g., the Queen of Denmark and the King of The Netherlands.

R86 - Yes, I know. And I'm happy to gossip about it. But calling it "confirmed" because a couple more bottom-feeding tabloids ran the story is a different matter. It was never "confirmed" by anything or anyone. The TIMES doesn't mind sullying its hands now and then where the royals are concerned. And the TIMES didn't come out and say, "William is cheating on Kate!" It was very careful to run the story as the rumour it was - just like Tiaragate, and Meghan isolating Harry from his friends, etc., etc.

Gossip is divine - as long as we all remember that's only what it is. But "confirmed"??

That said, I'll be the first to sweetly remind people that once in a while, the tabloids run stuff that outlets like the TIMES and the BBC won't until the proverbial hits the fan. This was particularly true of the Trouble in Paradise stories about the Wales marriage - which the Palace strenuously denied until it became impossible to hide the couple's estrangement and misery.

The phrase 'confirmed by tabloids' is such a funny one. You'd think anyone saying it would reconsider what they're saying the moment they type that out, but alas.

R76, looks like Sophie's tiara was given an upgrade - good for her; the previous version looked like it came out of a gumball machine. She is also wearing some serious ice in the form of that necklace. Probably a reward for her years of quiet service.

"It was verified by some very attractive, reliable, anonymous sources." Okay then!

Sophie looks old now.

I wonder what Princess Michael thinks, looks like she's really the odd one out with no honours from The Queen.

This is a gossip thread. Let's not start getting technical over "confirmed by tabloids" when investiture video analysis, moonbumps, surrogates and "the Sussexes are such a danger to the Cambridge children that Camilla must shield them with her body" goes unchecked.

R78 claimed that there was a single source for the Rose Hanbury story. I pointed out that it had multiple independent sources. They could all be wrong. but they're no more or less credible than the sources for Tiaragate which is generally held as gospel on these thread.

Take that for what you will.

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Any guesses what Charles will be drinking?

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R97 - lots of wine with dinner and a couple of gin and tonics to relax from the Trump Trauma when he gets back home to Clarence House.

^^^^refuses

Video of Charles and Camilla at Trump's dinner.

Markle will be at the Trooping of the Colour. Maternity leave or not, she knows on which side her crumpet is buttered. This is one of those things you don't miss unless the excuse is extraordinary. Simply not wanting to attend for a few hours when your kid was born a month ago and you're not flat on your back is not an extraordinary excuse.

Side view.

Camilla's gown and necklace. Another white dress. Her smile is saying: "Shit, I've got to go through this all over again."

I hope she shows up but is pushed to the back as far as possible. The focus ought to be on little Louis.

Melania sure does love her capes.

I'm a superhero

Donald could do with a cape himself.

Contrary to what R82 thinks should happen, Rose Hanbury will continue to be invited to various State Functions as long as she remains the Marchioness of Cholmondeley.

The rumor is Kate wanted Rose banished but that's where she showed her middle class origins (again, according to the story)...the wife of the Lord Great Chamberlain of the UK is not going to be publicly shunned because she (may have) fucked William.

The UK has strict libel laws and William has shown he can be very litigious (even though members of The Firm aren't meant to explain or complain). The story may have legs but it's not really worth focusing on since Kate has shown through her actions that the used condom from one of her husband's trysts could be flung in her face and she won't flinch as long as William keeps her around to be made Queen Consort.

And, that's the real (sad) gist.

I'm going to need more "evidence" than just rumors to believe that William cheated on Kate. Photos, tapes, texts and/or emails would suffice.

Camilla looks thrilled.

Trooping of the Colour should focus on the spare's spare?

Do I spy a drink? Is Cammy the only one having a bevvy? Good on her.

R110 Photos, tapes, texts and/or emails can all be doctored. William and Kate must be caught in flagrante and streamed live. This, and only this, will suffice.

That should be William and Rose at R114

Camilla and Charles probably prefer the company of oil sheiks and saudi princes, the proper choice.

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I don't think Meghan will be holding a month old baby on the balcony after the Trooping The Colour. Fuck even the Queen waited longer than that when she appeared with an infant Prince Edward. I don't expect her making an appearance herself. She's probably not thin enough yet in her mind. She's such a fame whore so she may proved me wrong. This is BABY LOUIS balcony debut, bitch!

^ to make an appearance

^ may prove me wrong. Jesus, auto correct.

Tonight's Trump menu:

Guests at the black tie dinner will dine on on fresh burrata cheese with heritage tomatoes, basil, and Maldon salt; grilled fillet of beef with pommes Anna, watercress pure, celeriac and chantenay carrots; followed by summer berries, homemade vanilla ice cream with Muscovado sugar tuile.

Translation: Steak and Potatoes

Lots of comments under the article about Abbey Clancy and Peter Crouch baby about how nice it is to see the picture of a whole baby instead of just a foot or something.

Crouch recently shared an anecdote about Prince Harry coming to congratulate the team after some win and asking him “How did you bag Abbey?”

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R112 - Trooping the Colour, Trooping the Colour, Trooping the Colour . . .

Well, Meghan knows on which side one of her crumpets is buttered, but given a good deal of her behaviour in her critical first year, I'd say it will be just a nod to the crumpet of the moment. And of course it's cheering crowds and high-level photo-op prestige, so why not? But I still think that deep within her soul, Meghan knows she doesn't want to do this for the rest of her life.

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Traditional return of hospitality: the Trumps welcome Charles and Camilla to a banquet at Winfield House, the London residence of the US Ambassador to Great Britain.

All the ladies look much better tonight than they did last night. Melania's red caped gown a good choice, and a glammed up Ivanka looking much, much better, and Camilla looking, well, like a better put together meringue. No tiaras, though.

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Crap. Of course, DM's link went to a video instead of the article. Go to Daily Mail UK and search for this headline: "Awkward? Kate's Norfolk neighbour Rose Hanbury"

R77 I actually think Diana looks rather avant-garde there. It’s like an Issey Miyake creation.

R90 That remark about the gumball machine almost made me choke on a grape! Twice!

R123 It’s a very sly, effective strategy. He’s branding her. It’s what he does. Now the word “nasty” is somewhat associated with her. And if in the future she does something that seems nasty, well...

R97-as much as he humanly can.

R50 Larry the Cat might have a listening device in his collar. He'll sell his story and the audio of Trump to the tabloids.

Yeah, Meghan's branding game has nothing on the Grifter in Chief's. This is the man who put his name on everything from Skyscrapers to cheap steaks.

R69 Tiffiny flew up from her yachting vacation. She didn't fly in with the Trump family.

Typo: Tiffany.

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R72 Sophie didn't touch up her gray roots. I wonder if she's letting herhair go totally gray.

Why were several of the footmen last night wearing medals? What sort of medal is awarded to a footman?

Maybe those are the footmen who buggered Charles. I can see deserving a medal for that.

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I'm calling it now: Charles is going to die suddenly of a stroke or heart attack. Look at that coloring, look at those fingers! No way will he survive his mother, who could easily live 5 or even 10 more years.

I hope you're wrong r140. It's alarming though - the state he's in. And he's only 70.

Melania looks stunning at this dinner. Mongo impressed. And rather proud of how the U.S. Ambassador's residence looks, very nice. Look at the young wife of the Ambassador; she must have a great many social responsibilities.

Ivanka looks better tonight. She couldn't have worn that white gown at the state dinner, since it too closely resembled her stepmother's outfit.

If Charles did pass suddenly in an ordinary fashion (not something dramatic like a plane or car crash), the grey men of the palace would breathe a huge sigh of relief. They could safely bury all of his scandals and silliness in his grave at Frogmore, and skip right to the well-scrubbed and photogenic Cambridges when HM goes.

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Cunts!

Say Charles did die suddenly in the next 2-3 years, HM following soon after, and William was made king at age 40. Rather than kicking Harry and Megs to the curb, he'd need them for at least the next 15 years, until child children were grown, finished with their educations, and ready to take on Royal responsibilities. Kate, William, and the York girls couldn't do everything. Even if you throw Andy, Edward, Anne, and Sophie into the mix, that's still not quite enough people to handle all the charity functions and ribbon cuttings.

Until HIS children were grown, I mean. WHY DO WE NOT HAVE AN EDIT BUTTON?

R125, there were about 176 guests there, you are seated to mingle not to sit with friends. A royal is dotted about the room, there were 16 royals present. All dotted around, to mingle. The lady with Rose Cholomolobingbong was Sarah Vine, former columnist of The Times, now at the DM. She is the wife of Michael Gove, Secretary of State for Environment, the guy in the kilt last night. He's a contnder for Teresa May's position, amongst many others.

R146, no I think he'd push them aside. He wouldn't need them. Especially when they do more harm than good. Besides, they wouldn't represent him. They are blatantly not representing the monarch, now.

I don't like Meg, but I don't blame Harry for not making over that family. He would have looked stupid fawning over Trump after what he said. I'm glad someone in the family didn't play this charade. And personally, I think the BRF, mostly the Queen, did it to help Andrew.

We need trade deals, we are going to be desperate. That's what it's all about.

If Harry sulked and scowled, it's understandable, but it's his job to be diplomatic on his grandmother's behalf. Too much at stake right now for the people of his country – trade, jobs, money. In return, he gets a house and an income and expensive clothing for his fashionable wife. It can't be that hard.

Harry didn't need to fawn, but he didn't need to sit there with a face like a cat's ass, either.

Smiling when he doesn't feel like smiling is literally Harry's only job. That is what a Royal does: smile, shake hands, make small talk. Then he gets to go back to his fabulous lifestyle paid for by the tax payers. If Harry can't do that, he needs to fuck off to LA or wherever.

Harry's somber look is of no consequence. He showed up and did the bare minimum considering the orange asshole in the room and his rude comments. It's about time someone showed displeasure toward Trump and his rude and immature comments.

I show displeasure about Harry's rude comments attacking the older generation. And attacking that which has mollycoddled him his entire life.

I hope meghan skips TOC.

And I hope they have a lowkey christening for archie where they only allow photographers at a great distance to see some of the guests arrive. Think: blurry far away shots.

Why? Because it will drive the psycho fraus here mad and the tabloids will fume. They claim to dislike the woman but can't keep her out of their mouths. They're in this thread begging meghan to show up and give them new flesh to feast on like the hungry hyenas they are.

The longer she is away, the angrier and more desperate they're getting. Even going as far as to say it is her duty! Lol, the wife of the 6th in line, the spares spares spares.....and on it goes. Hilarious,

It's of no real consequence, true. Just one more bit of unnecessary Meghan-related fuckery.

That said, I miss her! Praying she'll make her triumphant return to the balcony.

The boys showed up, which is more than most would do under such circumstances. Trump has bagged on both of their wives and insinuated that, though he'd still bone, their mother would need an HIV test because, you know, slut.

Their reactions were fine. Royals have feelings too and they didn't choose the job but follow through on their duties. For that, I commend both William and Harry.

[quote]He showed up and did the bare minimum

The title of Harry's future biography.

Harry's much bigger problem is his own runaway ego. There's a clip out there where both he and William are being interviewed and William can barely get a word in edgewise.

Back soon, Bitches!

Don't forget, r160 another Dimwit quote "None of us want to be Royal" or some such silliness.

Let us not forget all Dimwit's racist quotes.

He was nasty through and through. All that PR must have cost a fortune, only for him to marry, and let the mask slip.

You know when someone brings out the worst in you? Maybe it's a bit of that, also.

Nasty.

Feel sorry for poor, dim Harry. He's really painted himself into a corner.

My nan would say " Lad, you've made your own bed, now lie in it ".

R122

Abby Clancy baby.

typo: Abbey

It's not like Harry insulted the British people, the queen or even his father. Harry didn't talk to fucking lowdown insulting Trump. BFD. The afternoon still went fine. I'm no fan of Markle, but Harry doesn't have to extend himself to an orange motherfucker who insulted Harry's wife--and then lied about it and said he didn't call her nasty. And years ago, Trump said he could have nailed Harry's mother, Diana. Give me a break, Trump is piece of shit. Harry's mere presence in the same room as the pig Trump was more than anyone could bare. The queen, Charles and Camilla handled Trump. Harry goes about with his other royal duties. Not talking to the asshole in the room was deserved.

Interesting that on the last thread, there were a few posts about how Kate still dresses like a debutante. I know very little about fashion, but on another forum I visit, posters criticise Kate for wearing dresses that would be more appropriate for an older woman!

Yes, R170, I can't understand people criticising Harry for avoiding Trump. The man is vile.

Royals literally have one job, show up and be pleasant regardless of who it is.

This lovely family has managed to be pleasant with african cannibal war lords with child sex slaves/soldiers, with wonderful arabs that still run an active slave trade + aren't the best when it comes to women/non-arabs/lgbt/anyone that isn't a native male, chinese leadership with their internment camps, russian billionaires and their black money, eastern european dictators with whatever horror show they have going on internally. Trump is a brash and unpleasant man, but he doesn't hold a candle to the actual literal scum of the earth they've happily entertained.

But yes, 'orange man bad' so we must respond in kind, good job on fighting for the little people Harry

R152 No self-respecting straight guy would be nice to Trump if Trump disrespects his wife. At the clip below at 5:44, a male journalist is surprised that Harry bothered to show up.

R152 Only a nancy boy would be nice to Trump after Trump insults his spouse.

Harry must have delighted at Trump being interviewed by Piers Morgan. Imagine what Piers and Trump must have joked about off-mic.

I just laugh at all of these characters.

R137 - Some of them may actually be ex-military, who often get jobs at embassies for obvious reasons and double as other staff. The footmen standing on the backs of those carriages taking William and Kate, and Charles and Diana, and Andy and Fergie, through the streets of London after their respective weddings back to BP were actually operatives trained to protect the newly married couples in the event of a terrorist attack. If that was the case in 1981 and 1986, you can imagine the level of anxiety in 2011 with all those crowds in London's streets and an open landau. Every embassy in London probably has these, quietly dressed as footmen or something equally innocuous looking.

Lainey thinks Rose walking with a daily mail writer proves the affair happened and the Cambridges along with rose and her husband plannee everything negative about meghan since the beginning.

To play devil's advocate, what if its true? I'd hate to think William cheated and them meghan and Harry come out smug.

R174, according to the insiders here, the Sussexes are in a lavender marriage, so the idea that no straight guy would put up with their wife being insulted wouldn't apply.

But, using the same insider scoop from the above-mentioned posters, Harry has a massive ego. Gay or straight, no man with a shred of self-pride (which again according to our chroniclers, Harry has in excess) would allow their spouse to be publicly denigrated and smile at the offender.

Even if we go with your reasonable assessment or the musings of the lunatic fringe, we come back to Harry not being amused by Trump's shit talking. There are legitimate reasons for their rantings but they pick the most asinine things to nit-pick; thoroughly bizarre.

It's amazing how these people act as if the paltry 69 p they contributed to the BRF means they can dictate their moods. Yes...as of 2018, these harping bitches paid less than a dollar each for the right to complain about funding Meghan and Harry's lifestyle...basically, if they don't tap dance for their supper, at their beck and call, off with their heads.

Amazing...all of this taxpayer outrage and strutting over the cost of an Aero bar.

R148 - Just as an aside, I'd sooner vote for Genghis Khan than Michael Gove. He was a disgrace as the Secretary of Education and if he's done f.a. for the Environment under May, I'd like to know about it. Not that that puts him in small company in the government . . .

R140 - It's hard to be delicate about such an indelicate theory, but I would relish such an eventuality, simply in terms of the Sussexes' dismay as their one remaining ally departed, leaving them at the mercy of the now far more powerful and wealthy new Prince of Wales and a Sovereign already not enamoured of how Harry's new wife's "branding" ambitions. William doesn't look like either the forgiving sort or one blessed with a short memory.

R179 - That 70p a year is a vast understatement and doesn't take into account, for example, the security costs for the royals. The Independent did a piece on it showing that the cost actually runs to a good bit more than that when it's parsed out. I posted the article on one of the earlier threads.

I'm not interested in paying for Meghan's PR staff, or her wardrobe, or another round of "improvements" to her fucking cottage, which were deliberately delayed so they wouldn't appear on the upcoming accounting of costs for Frogmore Cottage on this year's Sovereign Grant report.

Neither she nor Harry are worth my money.

R175– it DOES NOT MATTER what Trump said about his wife or mother. Harry was there representing Grandma and Country and needed to behave appropriately.

Oh what's this about another video of MM, but involves pissing, now? I'm off to bed, but it's doing the Twitter rounds. Rumours, of course.

I'm with R181 and R182, completely.

We don't know if every single member of the British royal family has been nice and welcoming to dictators and authoritarian assholes. We saw Harry not bothering with Trump yesterday. I'm sure similar situations have happened before with other members of the royal family.

For all those saying, "Harry had one job to do and he should have done it." Well, some people have one job to do at work and sometimes you don't do it 100 percent. Sometimes, you just show up and go through the motions. Same thing here. Not a big deal. And why the fuck are some of you defending Trump? He was welcomed just fine. But it's about time someone snubbed Trump. Enough with this enabling bullshit allowing Trump to get away with everything.

Keep in mind when Trump visited the UK last summer. Granted it wasn't a state visit. But none of the royal family would meet with Trump. None of them except for the queen. She did the bare minimum and sent him on his way. Charles wouldn't meet with Trump. William and Kate said fuck no. Harry not talking with Trump yesterday was more than Trump deserved.

Nobody's defending Trump. If Harry really wanted to 'defend his wife's honor' (yuck) he should have had the balls not to show up at all. Guaranteed if granny had gave him his own court he would have been all smiles. He's sulky because he has been put in his place by the family and is increasingly being sidelined.

Also, by acting sulky Harry just played into Trump's machinations. Trump loves to get under people's skins. Better to act distantly cordial so that it is clear you never give him a second thought.

The way this country i going, Harry needs to do as told. FFS, we are going to be lost , without trade deals. Despite whether we like the big orange buffoon , or not. It's called work. But no, Harry only wants to build his " brand " with his wife. Good Liuck with that, sunshine. He's thick as a plank, and she'll soon do a runner, if she's not kicked , first.

Harry sullen behavior reflects poorly upon himself. Trump is asanine, that won't change. Harry's behavior toward Trump showed himself to be petty instead of professional and gracious, something his Gran has always emulated. It is not a good look and will stink his rep here on out along with the other mistakes he will continue to make. Michelle was right on the money when she said "when they go low, we go high." Harry didn't do that and instead behaved like a sod.

I’m gossiping and if some bitches don’t like what I’m saying? Shrug. The block button works.

They are playing the long slow dirty game with MM.

Harry is the weak link and cracking under the pressure. He was trained out of the womb to know how to behave in public and his sulking routine was pathetic.

I believe Trump absolutely had permission from whomever to go in on MM. Yes he branded her nasty and the DM branded her a social climbing dick hopping slut. And yes Kate’s partner yesterday was a slap in the face and a warning to MM she has no secrets and they’re all being excruciatingly revealed.

I’ve got $20 in a betting pool that she will not show up at TTC. They gave her a year she fucked up and now she’s an inconvenient woman.

Couldn't b;lock you R190, loving it!

I remember your bet from the last thread, lol, hope you win.

Never blocking r190. Not happenin'....

If the Megamaniac doesn't show to Trooping the Colour, it will be because The Firm told her in no uncertain terms to stay home. And if that's the case folks, drinks are on me.

Love this DM Comment:

I thought this was about the d day aniversary. But it's turned out to be a spat between the president of the USA and a woman who conned a prince

R187 Has it 1000% right. This is what Trump does. He trolls people into revealing their worst selves. He did it to his political opponents, to the media. It’s diabolical and so obvious, but people keep taking the bait. Harry apparently took the bait.

I think the BRF would be thrilled if MM never showed up at an event again, much less the TTC. They could spin it that she wants to be a SAHM or some other excuse.

Another scathing DM comment:

Lets put it this way, I'm not a fan of either of them, but I can tollerate him far more than I can tolerate her. She's just a B rate bad actor at best, a reality TV show star who "thinks" she's a royal. Women like her are 10 a penny. All she's done is act her way into her position and she's eroding everything that the royals have worked so hard for, like their reputation for instance and their public image. She cares for no one but herself and for nothing other than what she wants. Time and time again, she's got involved in affairs that she shouldn't be meddling in. She uses tax payer money like it's her own personal bank account, and that silly sod she's married to is letting her do it. She's completely warped Harry into a person I don't even recognise any more. I despise her, in all honesty, and I make no apology for it.

Meghan is powerful. She's not even here and she riles people up and gets under their skin effortlessly.

That's power.

Quite frankly, I find the bullying of her, and the media's all out war on her, pathetic.

Believe it or not, it is having the opposite effect. People are wondering what the hell is going on with the cambs and randy andy and why they are using poor meghan as a shield. The optics of bullying a pregnant woman was enough to make people take notice of the creepy evil british tabloids. And then the rose affair...

This will not end well for the cambs.

Well, luckily Meghan has her posse of White Knights and Fairy Godmothers!

R197 What a pathetic comment. I seriously laughed reading that.

Nothing more needs to be said.

Meghan went from being a B, C, D,Z-list actress in 2016 to having a fun scale spat with the most powerful man in the world in 2019. This serves his purposes. It's a distraction from the political quagmire. For her, having Trump as a public enemy can create new friends. I'm not sure that Meghan's holding a losing hand.

It will be interesting to see this play out.

Harry didn't take any "bait" you delusional frau.

A neutral non smiling face apparently means he's sulking and OMG THAT'S LIKE SO SERIOUS AND STUFF AND SOMETHING ABOUT BAIT AND MAGA!!!

William didn't take photos with him and his beverly hillbilly clan either, nor was he beaming at them, but I suppose that's ok because reasons.

The Queen uses her handbag to send signals to her staff. In her purse, she carries a mirror, mint lozenges, a pen, reading glasses and good luck charms from her family.

Since Meghan is "powerful" and "lives rent free" in everyones head, what must be said for Trump?

I'm just here for the narcissist analysis - Something about MM pinged me the wrong way from the first interview. Coming here made me realize I wasn't crazy.

Change of topic: I want to hang with Camilla. I don't care if she is an adulteress. She looks like she'd be fun to spend a dinner with. We could toss back a few. Mutter sarcastic, cutting remarks.....

R129 There is one and only one "nasty" woman - Hillary Rodham Clinton. Trump called her nasty at a debate when she was outperforming him and he had to resort to name calling.

R202 Do calm down, madam. The Duchess of Sussex wishes you to know she sees and appreciates all your posts furiously defending her honor. At this time, however, she regrets she is unable to give a care.

Ivanka looked like Cruella Deville in that black and white spotted dress. For her business meeting.

LOL, R160.

Appreciate that, @R191 and @R192. I've taken much abuse from control freak idiots MM loonies coming for me...at a gossip board, LOL!! So I block 'em and these threads read very well without them.

I'm raising my bet on MM not being at TTC to $50. From what I understand she is persona non grata in the RF. She choked herself on the rope they gave her. Still, to this day I can't believe how she chose to fuck up out the gate, the showgirl engagement dress, not patronizing British designers, inappropriate touching of Harry, ignoring royal protocols.

I cannot stand Donald Tramp but he wasn't wrong about MM and Harry cemented his wimp status yesterday.

IF she'd shown up at the galas she'd be inappropriately clad, clutching on Harry like a lunatic, tossing her weave like a valley girl and grinning manically.

Cheers R210!!

Like Meghan gives two shits about anyone else but herself; although she might tell the help to give you her leftover cake if the cameras are on.

If Meghan is all powerful and amazing, how is she being unfairly bullied by everyone? You can't be both.

Harry actually looks quite hot in the thumbnail @ R147. He's one of those people who looks attractive from some angles and awkward from others.

William should grow a beard. He would suit one.

Harry never looks hot, from any angle.

The only angle Harry looks hot from R214 honey, is his trust fund.

R191 - I dunno, mate, that's a pretty sizable wager and we're dealing with a serious famewhore here who is probably climbing the walls as new mothers often find themselves doing within a month. And if she skips TTC because of maternity leave, then the world can assume she skipped Trump because of maternity leave - even though by alll odds she wasn't invited. If she shows up at TTC, she can let the world assume that she didn't show up at the Trump luncheon or banquet because she was "making a statement"..

And, if she doesn't show for the TTC, everyone will point to Kate who dutifullly made it to the Sussex wedding just under a month out of childbed, and three weeks after that dutifully showed up for the TTC - looking quite ravishing in her powder blue beautifully fitted dress and tall hat and large diamond studded RAF brooch, and noticeably slimmer already than she was at Meghan's wedding.

If I were Meghan, I'd get myself there.

However, I'd be pleased if you won your bet because of all the snarky criricism Meghan would come in for, compared with the polished, demure, dutiful Kate.

Harry is the same as he's always been. The difference now is that he looks to Meghan for (mis)guidance. He was better off when firmly under the protection of the BRF umbrella.

R204 - Trump is an employee of American citizens, and he's temporary. Meghan Markle is on the royal gravy train for life and we can't get rid of her with another election. A hereditary monarchy and an elected head of state and governmen living in the appropriate residence are not the same.

Theresa May hasn't been paying rent at 10 Downing Street, either.

Louise Linton was at the dinner, the prior thread speculated she was not present.

'The more Harry and Meghan try to build their own separate 'woke' brand, the more they are going to alienate the British public.'

You have a very old fashioned idea of what the British public consist of. People in the big multicultural cities like London, Birmingham and Leeds LOVE Meghan because she represents them. We see it in the 3m likes and the thousands of tribute IG accounts, which some of you hilariously link to here.

Troll Addition:

The CATHERINE Troll - never calls Kate, Kate

The CATHERINE Troll is also the PRINCESS CHARLOTTE IS A VERY EXPERIENCED BRIDESMAID WHO REJECTED MEGHAN'S CHOICE OF BRIDESMAID GOWN AGED TWO YEARS OLD BECAUSE IT WASN'T UP TO HER STANDARDS Troll.

A tiara buffet~

Indeed, R220. What better way to represent "multiculturalism" than giving up your career and marrying posthaste into the BRF?

R220, people of color really think that Dior-clad banangram Meg represents THEM? That’s sad.

Tiaras, take two!

Team Harry on this one. He wasn't sulking; he was pissed, and I don't blame him. Trump is an asshole. Others welcomed Trump; he was fine. Harry not talking to Trump did not dampen Trump's visit. Harry showed up. Harry did not have to go out of his way for this White House pig who insulted Markle. Even if you don't like her, Trump's comment was uncalled for, and he does not need to be rewarded again for being a motherfucking asshole. By the way, William didn't bend over backward for Don the con either.

Poor Harry, my fat fanny. Having to be pleasant to a raging asshole is the daily reality for most of us. And it’s because our livelihood depends on it.

He has to do it for one day.

I would like to see someone wearing the tiara at #15 .

People really seem to be turning against Harry.

His shtick was that he was the relatable one. The UK needs a trade deal with Brexit looming, that is not debatable. We have all had the experience of interacting with people on a professional basis whom we did not prefer. Since Harry thinks himself above such petty considerations, better to build his woke AF brand, many seem to be wondering WHY they are paying him for a job he does not do. His childish sulking has really reminded people of things about Harry that they had previously politely overlooked. I think yesterday is really going to cost him. He stood out all right, but not in a good way. He did not appear to be representing the country professionally or to have the well being of the citizens who need trade, in mind.

When you contrast Harry yesterday and his acting out with his accomplice Me-Gain at the Investiture with how proud people felt of the Queen and the RF yesterday and with the delight the videos of the Cambridge tots with their parents sparked, it is clear who is winning both the long and the short game, I believe.

Agree with R220.

🎶 "I came from the PEOPLE......they need to adore me! So Christian Dior me....." 🎶

Get on that balcony this weekend, girl!

Harry can't be a working royal and a regular guy who is free to express his personal opinions and political views. Something has to give.

@R226 fuck a pout. Harry is an asshole! He's in the RF he's repping the monarchy, they don't get to wear a sad damn face in public they suck it up with a stiff upper lip and if he can't behave he can quit all of that shit. He can walk away any day. I guarantee you he won't be acting like that again in the near future. If his 'father' and TQ haven't given in a firm talking to, I'd be surprised.

It was Ivanka he was rude to, in front of cameras.

Since he reps his personal brand at work and does not do his job, why should he be there? IRL that leads to you being cut. He has had chances upon chances, he also acted out at the Investiture. Do you they realize how resentful and bitter he is to all of them, as colleagues and as family? She is just a manifestation of it.

Off to Africa you go!

I cannot imagine them making some sort of state visit to the US now.

"State Visit" by Harry and Meg's would really be a "Hollywood" visit TBH.

Kate's dress reminds me of those framed vintage ribbon art dolls.

Ribbon art doll...

Can they just decide to show up the USA, or would it have to be pre-approved due to them essentially having diplomatic status and needing security. I can't see anyone wanting to shell out money in an already tight time for some royal cunts to waltz around LA

[QUOTE] Anne is the only woman to have an Order of the Garter

We BEG your pardon

Where Kate draws her inspiration: Fashion plate, from Englishwoman's Domestic Magazine, 1865.

Just a reality check. The American pundits say Britain would be far less useful as an ally should it leave the EU. The U.S, would needs a “special friend” who is in that club. So I would not mess with Trump if he is serious about an offer.

Kate is into Victorian era fashion. The "feather duster" look.

Victorian era fashion.

[quote] Since he reps his personal brand at work and does not do his job, why should he be there? IRL that leads to you being cut.

All across the land that R234 lives in, employees are being fired for not smiling enough.

I wonder where they’d dine out in LA?

Nobu is a good bet.

Given Meghan’s 90s obsession, probably Spago.

[quote] In contrast to the sophisticated Palace menu which included steamed halibut and strawberry sable, - and was served with a £2,000-a-bottle Chateau Lafite - last night's fare was closer to the heart of the teetotal President with a taste for plain food: beef, potatoes, ice cream, and £30-a-bottle Californian red wine.

Hmmmm

R246 made me LOL

R247. Well, Trump couldn't serve the RF and guests what he eats every day --- 2 Big Macs, 2 Filet-o-Fish and a chocolate shake. He doesn't eat the buns.

I was thinking about the disparity in wine prices.

This trip is costing 1.5M- 2M on accommodations alone. I suppose one must economize somehow. I wonder what the Charles and Cam thought of that.

R249 I just noticed this bit

[quote] He doesn't eat the buns.

ROFL.

Spago is more 80s. I know because I, like a dork, insisted on going there on my first visit in 1987 to LA (where I now live). I did observe Wolfgang Puck personally greet Dyan Cannon and Deidre Hall (who was clad in a ballgown).

Here's a lovely little video, made by the UK Armed Forces, about the present day Queen and her military . The end shows what the Coldstream Guards (who we saw in formation yesterday) practice wearing that bearskin and being in perfect step. Includes a nice vid of the Queen meeting military member at BP, and a walkithrough of how military members organise State Dinners and such. Short but very interesting.

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What does Melania need to keep in that Hermes bag? A bomb?

[quote]As if a polka dot outfit with sheer sleeves (!) could ever be remotely professional.

Depends on your profession.

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"His type, he had a go with the Banana Scribbler too."

Lol @ comment on the above article.

'According to the insiders here, the Sussexes are in a lavender marriage, so the idea that no straight guy would put up with their wife being insulted wouldn't apply."

Welp Troll/Skippie alert.

I'm not going to go through 259 fucking posts so if this has already been discussed, sorry.

What's up with Melanie's tits in England? Have they always looked like this and I never noticed? Are they normal and she's just walking funny? Camilla's tits don't look like that and I'm sure they're saggier than Melanie's.

I have seen the photo and I have more questions than answers.

R260, I think it was the angle, or her body inclining as she strode forward, as in all the other pics her tits appear normal again.

I could never understand how Melania or the people around her could think her tits look good. She always looks like she has a watermelon stuck on her chest and she's about to tip over. Can't she find a better bra?

No, R262, because she has watermelons bolted to her chest and they don't make really great bras for that. Plus, she's stupid.

Trump told Piers Morgan he got along fine with Harry & he & Ivanka had a good chat with him, I'm assuming at the lunch. My guess is Harry was under orders from She Who Must Be Obeyed to show his disdain for the Trumps to protect her honour (lol) so complied in public but was perfectly nice to them in private.

r220 Only around 10% of sussexroyals follows are brits, so all those likes ain't from them. Speaking as a black brit MM does not represent me.

I can't believe MM and her supporters have the cheek to play the race card when she has never done a single thing to identify with her black heritage and in fact has taken aggressive steps to hide it, ie surgery, continued hair straightening.

No, humanitarian efforts in Africa do not count.

'Only around 10% of sussexroyals follows are brits, so all those likes ain't from them. Speaking as a black brit MM does not represent me.'

This is just a random number. You have zero evidence. She has millions of comments, most in English. 99% of black women straighten their hair or get a weave/extensions. The big UK cities are teeming with biracial women under 40 and they like Meghan.

Apologies in advance if this has already been beaten into the ground, but I'm an entire thread behind. Has Melania's decision to wear the red Givenchy dress been discussed?

I'm asking because it's been established that she sends messages via her clothing, from the Gucci pussy-bow blouse she wore to the debate right after pussygate blew up to her admission that the "I really don't care. Do U?" jacket was meant for her critics, i.e., those who took issue with the caging of babies and children who had been separated from their parents. I wonder what MM thought of Vairst Letty wearing "her" designer?

It's the type of thing best settled by a weave-ripping battle royale in the local frog pond......or perhaps Lake Berryessa.

I must say, I really hate those caped crusader dresses.

Isn't there a Trump thread to talk about those idiots?

R267 is a delusional Meg loon.

R267: >>She has millions of comments, most in English. <<

O RLY?

FYI: English isn't spoken exclusively in the UK.

R272 is an ugly Skippie and Welp Troll disciple.

Meghan haters have low IQs. They think an American citizen can be charged with treason in the UK.

There is a new troll waiting to be crowned.

The everyone-secretly-hates-meghan troll. Including her own husband.

I hope Megan turns up and is as fat as a hippo.

You don't have to 'identify with' something to be it R266, that's not how oppression works. Many many black women or bi-racial women straighten their hair, in many ways this is because of the racist environment of Western countries, it doens't make them not black.

I am oppressed as a woman not because I 'identify with' being a woman but because I am one, most people on this board are oppressed because they're gay not because they 'identify with gay history', and people who are the victims of classism and inequality don't magically get extra money if they don't identify with working-class culture.

This whole focus on people identifying as things is really worrying as it position the state of being oppressed, or disadvantaged by social structure, as based on a reflexive act by the individual rather than something that just is and which shapes the actions of the individual in the first place.

Anyone have the latest pictures of Prince Andrew please?

Kate doesn't represent all white English women who are the descendants of coal miners. She isn't a traitor to them because she aggressive alienates herself from the lower classes with her very upperclass accent.

Meghan doesn't represent all American women, or all biracial women or all Californian women. She isn't a traitor because of her hair styling choices or her dating decisions.

Kate gets to be Kate and Meghan gets to be Meghan. Some people like them or hate them because of their ethnicity, their family history or things they've done. That's not the fault of either Kate or Meghan.

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R65 [quote] Considering Harry's behaviour yesterday, surely their dream of touring the US is totally off the cards, now? I should think so, anyway.

R182 [quote] it DOES NOT MATTER what Trump said about his wife or mother. Harry was there representing Grandma and Country and needed to behave appropriately.

R189 [quote] Harry sullen behavior reflects poorly upon himself. Trump is asanine, that won't change. Harry's behavior toward Trump showed himself to be petty instead of professional and gracious, something his Gran has always emulated.

These three cunts just can not get over their hate for a black woman who married a white man. You will believe any rumor that is printed. And most of the stuff printed are rumors. A great example is the "she's having the baby at a posh hospital (the same as Kate btw), then "she's having it at another hospital", then "she's having it at home". You all believed all these bullshit rumors, you complained about them as if they were facts. Are that you all that fucking stupid that you don't realize British journalists are the scum of the fucking earth and have no problem what so ever just printing shit they make up. I won't go into the outright nutters who said she faked the pregnancy

You all need to get a fucking life. I don't know if you are a bunch of delusional fucking women or disgusting loser gay men. Either way you are all losers. This is your life and this is what you are obsessed about

And as we come to find out, Trump said Harry was nice to him. But that doesn't the shit you all make up in your mind.

R285 You may be over-invested.

Well excuse my black cock for raising a question over their dreams for a US tour.

Geez, someone is having a bad day.

Anyway, although Harry was invited to the luncheon, I didn't think he was invited to event that followed? Like the Investiture, someone had to come pull him to the back of the room. Once again, Harry wanted to be in the photos.

[quote]And as we come to find out, Trump said Harry was nice to him. But that doesn't the shit you all make up in your mind.

You're quoting Donald Trump as if he is to be believed and we're the ones who are delusional?

Go back to Megistan.

On the earlier thread someone genius pointed out, having demanded the Cambridge children attend some function with the Trumps, that the children had met Obama. Well, George met Obama. In his bathrobe, before bed, at Kensington Palace.

Not exactly a state banquet.

Exactly R290. Besides, being the holidays, the children are away in Norfolk.

I can totally believe Harry was perfectly nice to Trump behind closed doors. 'Sulky' Harry was specifically for the cameras to bolster his 'woke' brand. He is such a hypocritical prat.

R290 Straw man argument. No one mentioned having the children at the state dinner or demanded that they attend a function with the Trumps.

I made the comment about the Cambridge children. The Cambridges haven't opened their home to the Trumps in the way they have been welcoming to other leaders. They haven't escorted the Trumps to any events and they haven't allowed themselves to be photographed with the Trumps.

The Cambridges didn't have to allow the Obamas to meet George. That was a choice on their part. They also didn't have to send their children to Norfolk. That was also a choice. I think they let it be known the children were away so it wouldn't seem like a snub to the Trumps. They have met other world leaders and been photographed with them either alone or as part of a larger group of BRF members.

In contrast to their engagement with the Trumps, for President Xi's state visit, Kate was seated next to him and the Cambridges escorted him and his wife around Lancaster House. Kate and William could have walked into that dinner with any of the 4 Trump children or Jared. It is not accidental that there are no photos of the Cambridge couple with any of the Trumps.

The Cambridges have limited their contact with the American first family. That is patently obvious.

I am still trying to get my full eyesight back after staring at the Queen's beautiful ruby set. THAT NECKLACE!

Clarification for R293

[quote] They have met other world leaders and been photographed with them either alone or as part of a larger group of BRF members.

This refers to William and Kate, not to their children.

R293-It's a pretty massive snub when you really stand back and look at it. The Trumps are too dumb to have realized it, though. It's like the shade the Queen threw with the rub tiara that wards against evil.

*Ruby* tiara. Edit button!

Photos of the DDay event at Portsmouth. Melania's hat looks odd.

R299 - there's a close up of Melania smiling like a Cheshire Cat. Scary!

I'm surprised that Charles wasn't in a uniform at the DDay event. He just had on some medals he didn't earn.

Group photos.

Did Charles make a quick change into a uniform?

Does anyone remember Meghan's behavior at last year's Trooping The Colour?

Diana in a casual pose.

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R220 - I live in London more than half the year. No one I know gives f.a. about her, let alone loves her. No one on the Tube talks about her, and I ride it day in and day our, and the vast majority of her followers are in the US firstly and then outside Britain. So, I guess what you're suggesting is that if they BAME they're totally taken in by her preening act and can't tell an insincere shallow trend Wannabee when they see one?

I call that might condescending.

Contrary to what the world thinks, the big multicultural cities are not completely divorced from British culture and it is their very sophistication that makes them able to see through her. The British hate bragging - in Manchester and East Anglia and Devon. Every single yougov poll puts her, still, behind her husband, the Queen, William, and Kate - and in a recent Opinium poll her approval ratings were 39% and William edged Harry out of the top place.

Britain is also still nearly 80% white. You just wouldn't know it in London or Birmingham or Luton or Manchester.

Hell, even lots of the sisters on Lipstick Alley can't stand her.

She's pushing 40 and her trendy hipness is, as other posters have pointed out, may serve her well outside the UK, but she hasn't been nearly Major Hit everyone predicted in Britain. Her Royal Wokeness didn't do much in her first year but make prissy white Home Counties Kate look golden - across the UK, and herself look greedy, extravagant, hypocritical, and shallow.

The DM has the largest readership in Britain, not the TIMES.

I would suggest that London's BAME population is just as capable of spotting bullshit as its white British population.

^apologies for all the typos - heavy lunch.

R293, sounds like the Cambridges are smart people. I'm American and live in London and have avoided all the Trump welcoming events myself!

R293 - Actuallly, it is half-term now so the children were always intended to be in Norfolk, as was the case for William and Kate. It was formally announced that except for this event, they would be out of the public eye and spending the haf-term hol. with the kids. And I believe they met the Obamas not at their private apartments, but at Buck House. I'm not disputing that William and Kate kept far away from the Trumps in the big photo ops, that the burden was left solely to the Queen and the PoW and his wife. My guess is that wasn't a choice by the Cambridges (even though they were probably relieved) but a careful decision by HM, Charles, and senior staff, to keep the next PoW and then King unsullied by those photos before he's out of the Majesty Gate. For Charles it doesn't matter at this point, and he'll have to do it aplenty if and when he finally gets there. But perhaps they wanted to shield the next Heir and his wife from those photos following them.

And you don't know if the Cambridges did or didn't greet personally the Trumps before the grand entrance into dinner. I would guess some cocktails were served in an anteroom where everyone chatted before being lined up in order of precedence.

We didn't see photos of Harry with Trump either. It was all the Queen and Charles front and centre, quite appropriately.

We'll see on Saturday if R190 wins his wager about Meghan hauling arse to get herself to the TTC, although before that I'm waiting with bated breath to see who wins the Peterborough by-election tommorrow. Other Brits will quite understand why.

R307, I have lived in London and according to various UK friends, you are spot on.

My one point of disagreement is the perception that she is popular anywhere. I think that is a PR created illusion. Just like SS tried to re-package her as a humanitarian, then an animal lover. She clearly loves no one but herself.

I do feel sorry for that child. I do not think Harry is any more capable of raising it then she is. They are both just awful.

I am with R190, they would be fools to allow her on that balcony to act out. Her leave is a perfect excuse not to include her. The best way to get under the skin of narcs is to deprive them of narcissistic supply. No cheering crowds for you!

It would be quite the message for Woke Yoko to make - to give the finger to Trump in the same week she shows up at the Trooping The Colour.

I don't think it's a matter of if they allow her, R312. Trooping the Colour is a family event, so all family is invited. It's the equivalent of inviting your cousin's obnoxious spouse the the 4th of July cookout even though no one likes them. It'll be up to MM if she wants to attend. We'll find out in a few days I guess.

Wild horses won't drag Meghan away from TTC, for all the reasons mentioned above. Her only regret will be that they won't let her bring Archie.

The Queen's speaking today.

R310 I made no claims about whether the Cambridges exchanged pleasantries with the Trumps. Sarah Vine claims they were all chatting together happily after dinner. Her husband would love some support from Trump, now and in the future, so I'd take her words with a bucket of salt. You may evaluate her claims differently. Importantly, there are not photos of these happy chats. The Trumps clearly had at least mobile phone cameras and they had photographers doing behind the scenes photos of them for social media and yet nary an image of a Trump and a Cambridge.

The Cambridges welcomed the Obamas at KP, invited them into their private apartments, introduced them to their son and heir to the throne. They allowed all of this to be photographed. They have been photographed with other world leaders as i said at R293.

For the Trump visit, the Cambridges let it be known their children are away. Norfolk isn't that far when one is travelling by helicopter. They made their children unavailable. Melania went to meet children at Downing Street. She could easily have had a joint event with Kate. They both have philanthropic interest in children. Ivanka/Jared have small children, as does Don Jr, and Eric's wife is expecting their second. A walk about at one of Kate's charities would have been a better photo op than touring Churchill's bunker for that lot. It would play so well with their political base.

My point remains, if the Cambridges wanted to be seen with the Trumps it would have happened. And I suspect that if the Cambridges/BRF hadn't forbidden images of the young royals with the Trumps there would be at least a few accidental or behind the scenes images of their interactions.

Photos of the Trumps with the Queen and Prince Charles.

A meme for Wednesday.

"Thank God he's leaving".

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I’m really enjoying all the pomp without drama. Well, outside of Harry’s immaturity yesterday. Got to give it to TQ she knows her role and plays it perfectly.

Please. TRF does not have to allow MM to TTC. While she has brought them publicity she’s also made TRF a laughing stock. Rules are made to be broken she really showed her ass on the balcony and in the carriage last year remember she showed tan lines (!!) wearing her strapless Lola the show girl get up. Also laughing when the elder fell off of his horse! She really blows my mind because she fucked up so spectacularly out of the gate and considering she’s been studying the royal family all of her life she knew better.

If Harry was one of our brothers coworkers or just a friend we would all be able to predict how his marriage will end and it’s obvious.

R278, I think you missed the point. MM only acknowledges her Af-Am roots when it benefits her to do so, playing the victim of racial harassment.

R278 I understand that's your point. I disagree.

R323 was directed at R322

R274 Don’t forget the “you delusional frau!” troll.

Well, R276/R278, I think it's just another example of MM's hypocrisy and grifting; she runs with the hares, hunts with the hounds.'

I'm having a hard time believing Markle actually laughed at Lord Guthrie falling off his horse. It's the first I'm hearing of it Proof? (Other than a chuckle taken out of context.) And yes, for the record, I think she's a hideous narc. I'm just not swallowing this one.

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Photos from Clarence House. I see Charles is drinking every chance he gets.

^ From the Clarence House account.

R320, those sunglasses on Her Majesty are fantastic. Also I think I found the inspiration for Melania's hat.

It's been announced that Camilla is going to be godmother - of a boutique cruise ship.

Those are likely Cartier sunglasses, like her ordinary specs.

Camilla is looking quite - ahem - weathered lately. Is she tanned or did she borrow some of Agent Orange's spray? Haggard is a word that comes to mind.

You really can't say that the Duchess of Cornwall has a "peaches & cream" complexion.

Judging by her fashion choices lately, Theresa May doesn't seem to care anymore.

Lindberg glasses, r333.

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The problem with MM turning up for TTC is that it has been announced that Louis will be there. Kids steal the show, at events like this, anyway. Even tickles my stone cold black heart at times ( jokes). And then there is the massive problem about how she and Harry dealt with the press surrounding the birth. So, I can see them ignoring her, front pages going to the kids, hardly a mention of her.

Will she guess that?

I don't think we will see her till , possibly, Wimbledon, when ( if fit ) Serena Williams will make a huge show of her royal guest being there. And MM will possibly host a box, for the little friends she has. That way, she can command an audience.

Waffling on, aren't I?

Am not a Meg fan, but I’m sure her laughing at the man who fell off the horse was nervous laughter, not glee.

MM has been awful quiet as of late, hasn't she? Other than floating that she will be coming to NYC with the baby later this year (news of which quickly faded away), not much has come out about her lately. I wonder if they finally have her on lock down? Not physically, of course. But whether the BRF are limiting her self-promotion via Latham or Geidt or some other means, she really has gone away.

R341 - no one else is SURE because we don't know these people but I'm glad YOU'RE sure.

R339 - "Waffling on, aren't I?"

Have No Fear/Waffle Spoken Here

There is yet another article on the Sussexes refusing to give out any information on Archie's birth beyond the birth certificate. The Cambridges, on the other hand, invited all 23 of the staff at the Lindo Wing after Kate gave birth there to the Queen's Garden Party by way of thanks. Their obsession with this goes well beyond any absurd claims of "privacy", especially given Meghan's faux regal rollout of the baby.

I wonder if she had to c-section, and that's why she wants it all kept under wraps. Abdominal surgical procedures these days would have made it entirely possible for her to rest for a couple of days and then pull herself together for a brief photocall. My guesses are that the "mystery" they insist on maintaining around Archie's birth is part Meghan's typical finding a grandstanding opportunity in nothing anyone else cares about, and/or that after all the bullshit about a home birth and a doula and a midwife, she ended up having to have a c-section and doesn't want it out there that she "failed" natural childbirth, unlike the sturdy Kate who had "natural" childbirth three times running with bigger babies.

Mind, I find these comparisons odious burdens on women, but I'm aware that those feeling do persist subliminally. I think Meghan wants the shroud of secrecy to cover up that she had a c-section after all her trumpeting about home births and bucking the system and men in suits.

This is the general idea of the view from the Buckingham Palace balcony. It's hard to make out the details of individual people. I'm not sure the royals could see Lord Guthrie's fall. He was on the other side of the statue, exiting The Mall I think.

Here's video of the fall. It looks like he would have been obscured by the statue.

She’ll be on the balcony, to underscore perception of a Trump snub. And also because it’s a fabulous showcase. Who would want to miss that?

New engagement for Kate on Wed June 12th - Kate who is Patron of @ActionAddiction, will attend the first annual gala dinner in recognition of #AddictionAwarenessWeek, hosted by Action on Addiction and chef Skye Gyngell, and deliver a speech to celebrate the work of the charity.

The Queen gets a kick out of meeting old war veterans like this man. She has a twinkle in her eye even though Trump The Blimp is hovering in the background. The look on Charles' face in the third photo is priceless.

The Prince Andrew Stare.

Philip gets a hand from the Queen.

A young Andrew.

Princess Michael of Kent is making some questionable fashion choices of late.

Haggard Fergie the Fool.

Sneaky pic of casual Bea.

R344...you type like a woefully out of touch shut-in. "Abdominal surgical procedures these days would have made it entirely possible for her to rest for a couple of days"... A C-section is major surgery where you get your organs shifted to bring out a baby. Meghan was up and walking, in heels, wearing white, in front of cameras. She's super woman if she could do all that a day after a C-Section.

You don't like women being burdened with comparisons, only to proceed with misogynistic comparisons based on your misplaced understanding of an obstetrical procedure that is easily researched on the internet. Instead, you decided to showcase your stupidity in an effort to show the resident mean girls you're down.

So what if she had a C-Section (even though the evidence points to her not having one)? So what if 'sturdy' Kate (of coal miner stock, no less) had her kids vaginally? So fucking what? The kids were born healthy, end of story.

To be fair, the poster didn't mention the surgery being a day before.

Moving to the US?

Calling Fergie haggard in that picture is a pure kindness. She looks absolutely wrecked, like someone that was just released from a halfway house.

But, her girls clearly adore her and seem proud of their mother.

Found Meg's outfit for TTC. Perfect.

R357 - Jesus, draw it mild! I said I found these comparisons odious, as I mentioned on another thread, a friend's wife just had a full hysterectomy (ovaries, tubes, uterus, the lot) and walked out of hospital that evening. Internal sutures that melt, minor wounds . . . all right, perhaps a c-section is more difficult, but for fuck's sake, I wouldn't condemn her for having one. But I would for trying to hide it. It was a floated possibility, not a table handed down by Moses from Mount Ararat. Get over it.

^*tablet, not table

R361

I barely said anything, lol.

Camilla is in her 70s. How dewy and fresh is she supposed to look?

It looks as though Tiffany is wearing Spanx under her dress in r328. The ones that go down the leg. How uncomfortable must that be, in June.

R358 - Excerpt:

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Royal commentator Rob Shuter said insiders revealed the news of a big move to him.

He said on iHeart Radio: 'Meghan Markle is leaving Britain with her prince and baby.'"

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Meghan Markle is planning to move, with Prince Harry and their baby, to the United States, an expert has claimed.

Royal commentator Rob Shuter said insiders revealed the news of a big move to him.

He said on iHeart Radio: “Meghan Markle is leaving Britain with her prince and baby.”

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“Meghan Markle refuses to move to Africa, she wants to come to the USA,” he added.

. . . Sources tell me within the Royal Family there’s been a lot of talk about Prince Harry and Meghan temporarily moving to Africa but that isn’t going to happen became Meghan is planning to return to America with her baby and her prince.

Sources add moving away from William and Kate Middleton is the goal.

'Meghan knows if she stays in Britain, this will always mean living in their shadow.

'Meghan is not the type of girl who is happy coming in second place.'"

It's a theory I've always supported, and of course, Meghan could have thought about that "second place" position before marrying Harry, or did she really think she would marry the sixth in line and somehow elbow the Cambridges and their kids out of the way as she took centre-stage?

I wouldn't take anything Shuter said without a large bowl of salt at my elbow. But that said, if there's the remotest truth in it, it would indicate that Meghan knows after this year that the UK press will never give up on shading her, no titles for her kids, the long game going to the Cambridges, and if she wants to make the most of platform her marriage gave her, sooner rather than later is the way to go.

The BRF and the British taxpayers will weep no tears if indeed the Sussexes exit stage west.

^Sorry about all that mysterious stuff that came up, I thought I'd deleted it when I cut and pasted the excerpt from the article. Ignore all the advertising.

How long before she tries to turn her spawn into some child star, pimped out in Hollywood.

Trump made Meg a hero. She will cut out and move here. Has a very bright future.

That will be a blessing for the British. The Americans can throw her on the pile with the other losers with who have "a bright future."

Elizabeth and Philip on their honeymoon looking at photos. He looks like he has something else on his mind.

Fergie and Andrew before it all fell apart and they both went to pot.

She's becoming political, which is the exact opposite of how the BRF is supposed to be. The Sussex couple are quickly picking political sides, which is going to turn off anyone that is on the opposite or even just apathetic to the whole situation.

That Express article...

"Sources add moving away from William and Kate Middleton is the goal. Meghan knows if she stays in Britain, this will always mean living in their shadow. Meghan is not the type of girl who is happy coming in second place."

What did she think was going to happen? Does she not understand the concept of monarchy and hierarchy?

You think the woman who spent her whole adulthood chasing after fame will want to live in a grace-and-favor residence, happy to occasionally come out to shake hands with charity workers. She imagines herself as a glamorous global humanitarian FFS, talk about ego and being delusional.

Princess Margaret was the Diana of her time.

If the Sussex family moves to the US, doesn't that screw up Meghan's British citizenship application? Of course, she may not want to become a British citizen anyway.

I just read that one of my favorite royals Princess Alexandra of Kent has been diagnosed with polymyalgia rheumatica, a debilitating condition which causes inflammation of the muscles. Thankfully, she's still active and carrying out royal duties on behalf of the her cousin The Queen.

It takes 5 years for someone to get citizenship, which includes residency, and there's no way she's going to get any preferential treatment seeing as how she's turned off so many people + it's bad pr

Found this info from January:

Princess Beatrice is said to be devastated after her dog, Orange died after returning from a walk in Windsor Great Park. He was rushed to the vets but sadly, Beatrice discovered that Orange had eaten some poison in the Park. No vet was able to identify the toxin, and she made the heartbreaking decision to put down her beloved dog.

Now fears have been raised over whether Orange was deliberately poisoned and if the Beatrice's four other Norfolk Terriers - Jack, Cici, Teddy and Ginger - are at risk.

One of their dogs is called JACK.

Queen Alexandra had very sad eyes.

There are no words.

With MM only having courtesy titles until UK citizenship, if she buggers off, she loses them, does she?

Or does that depend on the marriage staying stable. And them not being cut off from the RF.

How would that work? Her going to the US on the taxpayers money? Would Harry not have to support them both?

I've seen some mentions (in the Dump coverage) that Duchess Tig is expected to show up at the Trooping.

Didn't the Queen segregate her to a side balcony last year? I hope she does the same again this time.

R384 - Meghan was on a side balcony on Remembrance Day not the Trooping The Colour.

No that was Remembrance Day Service, R384. At Trooping, she was bare shouldered, loving the attention.

R382, I read that the York girls dressed like that intentionally as a protest because their mother wasn't invited to the wedding. They seem very loyal to their Mum.

R382, thanks for re-posting that. I loved and still loved Bea's look. It's a fashion choice--a bit of outlandish eccentricity. She looks much better than her mumsy sister.

R381, Queen Alexandra had a rather sad life. An arranged marriage, and her husband constantly humiliated her by openly shagging the ladies of the court. Her favorite son Eddy died young, and she suffered from congenital deafness that grew worse and worse as she got older. I believe she also had other health problems in old age that made her last years a misery.

If Harry and Meghan did take Archie and move to LA, would they have to give up the HRH? I imagine they would, as they wouldn't be working royals and they are dynastically unimportant.

If that's the plan, they'll have to wait another year or two though, until Megs has raised their profiles enough that they can supplement Harry's 300,000 a year. That's a nice upper-middle-class income in LA, but it won't buy them entrance to the rarefied circles Megs wants to inhabit.

He'll have to see what Granny leaves him. He's got something from his Great Granny, something from Mummy, Dad supports him and will always do so and he won't lose the HRH, ever, unless he chooses to give it up.

They may move away for a time but they'll be back. She won't get the kind of attention she craves outside of England.

[QUOTE] The Cambridges have limited their contact with the American first family. That is patently obvious.

Because the Trumps are disgusting. I don’t blame them for not allowing a photo op with their children and those dirty, dirty people. Any more than I don’t blame them for not wanting photos ops with their children and ME!again.

George in the bathroom is an iconic photo, never to be repeated. The Windsors are fond of the Obamas, there’s no questioning that.

BathROBE

Good heavens, fucking autocorrect

R392, for all we talk of M's branding, whoever thought up the picture of George in his dressing gown meeting Obama was brilliant. I felt sorry George--he doesn't seem to like attention--but that photo will last through the ages.

Lovely photo, lovely US president whom I miss every day.

What the fuck is Harry going to do in L.A.? Has he lived there long term? Is it fucking boredom out there, the traffic is insane and you have to drive everywhere because it's so sprawling, not to mention the disgusting air quality. If he's going to immerse himself in making Oprah documentaries for the sake of promoting the Sussex brand, then the sort of people he'll encounter in the industry will eat at his soul, if he has any left. The entertainment industry is not made up of humanitarians, it's people who are out for themselves trying to enrich their wallets. Furthermore, he'll likely see Meghan in all of her worst traits out in the open in L.A., there's no pretension of hint of propriety anymore, unlike at this moment she's at least being kept under close watch. Harry will also be without familiarities of home, no polo matches, no close childhood/ school friends nearby, he would begin to resent being made a commodity out there. On paper to him right now it may look appealing but in reality he has no idea what he's in for if they debunk to L.A.

I think some are forgetting that it is Charles' time to kind of shine, or Charles' desire to shine, whatever we think of Trump. He's not my president. And I think that Charles is a goat. But, if things go to plan, he is the future monarch. Charles must understand the popularity of the Cambridges, and there is a huge feeling that the daft goat should be leapfrogged out of what he has waited his entire life for. The spotlight on this visit would and should never have been on William, Kate and their family. But the Queen, and the next heir. I notice the palace PR were keen to emphasize the extra 90 minutes Charles spent with DT, talking bout " climate change ". This was as much about Charles as he could make it.

The Queen greets the Australian PM, yesterday.

" Would you like a seat ? "

Agreed, r397. I have seen comments in other places where people are criticizing the Cambridges for not going to the luncheon or the D-Day ceremony, the lazy comments, etc. They don't seem to understand that this all coordinated between the staff of the various houses and that the primary initiative is the line of accession.

R390 - Harry was born an HRH so doesn't have to give it up - it's not something that's rescinded when you're born into it. What he would be pressured to give up is his place in the line of succession, including for his descendants; that would require the Queen to submit the revised line of succession to Parliament for approval, which would of course pass it pro forma. Meghan, however, if she has not yet become a UK citizen, would technically lose the HRH as, despite being married to one, it was always a courtesy and not a right until she became a UK citizen. She would probably end up, as Fergie did, not an HRH but Meghan Markle, Duchess of Sussex, as long as she remains married to Harry.

I suppose Harry and Meghan could try to keep their hand in the pot by announcing a "temporary" move to America so that Archie can experience his mother's culture and his "other" country, but I imagine there would be quite the outcry at the Sussexes continuing to receive funding from the Sovereign Grant whilst living in another country.

Good one.

The Queen: "My God, what a boob".

DJT: "Thank you so much. Thank you so much".

A Queen and the Four Clowns. They fucking wish. Don't think so.

More like the other way around.

The Melania Bitch Face on display. If she smiles, her face might crack.

It's official. Charles looks older than his mother.

I totally agree. It was Prince Charles time to show the British public he could show his ability to reign. Also Prince William to show was up to the task as well. I think though the Queen showed Trump that he needs NATO. Also it’s not a bad thing that the other country’s need to pay their share. I wasn’t disappointed with Charles he showed he could do it also William. Harry looked like a prat and has no diplomatic skills at all. Mind you I expect his silly wife told him she’s the greatest diplomat in the world

R396 The air quality here in LA is actually not that bad these days. However I do agree that someone like Harry would eventually grow melancholy here, a fish out of water. Their marriage - and each of them as individuals - would be cast in a whole different light. That said, I’d love to spot them around town.

I just can't see Harry moving abroad permanently, as R408 says, who would he be in LA? in the sense that would his identity be, which is inevitably bound up in how people see him. From birth he has been Prince Harry, he has no career outside of that and just did a few years in the army.

I'm sure that some of the charity stuff he's done could carry over but I feel like he'd have to fundamentally reassess who is to flourish somewhere else. I suppose it could be done if he really wanted it but he would have to lose a lot to make it happen.

If you think the gay community should be proud about their website that they are included. Please stop and look at it. There is a picture of them looking like idiots and the rest are aids sufferers. Gays suffer a lot in life without the whole world thinking if you gay you have aids. It’s sending the wrong message.

[QUOTE] not an HRH but Meghan Markle, Duchess of Sussex

Actually, the established style would be ‘Meghan, Duchess of Sussex’, no Markle needed. If she remarried she’d lose that forever, even if she divorced the next husband.

R411 Tell me about it!

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Remember how right after Diana died, the Queen was actually unpopular? Or at least she was getting lots of genuinely negative press. Cold, out of touch, etc. Seems unthinkable today.

People legitimately thought the Queen had basically ordered Diana's death back then.

I wonder what kind of a tax bill Meghan is going to receive from the IRS. As a U.S. citizen, she will still be responsible for taxes on what Uncle Sam considers income and that includes the "gifts" she receives. We discussed this topic way back on the Tendrils thread, but now we're approaching the time that Prince Charles is supposed to release his income and expenditure reports, aren't we? If the clothes she wore in '18 were valued at over £400K, presumably those need to be claimed, right? Whether they come from Charles or they were gifts from designers for merching purposes... Since all of her living expenses are being covered by her husband, her father-n-law or the Sovereign Grant, what exactly would the IRS consider taxable?

Interesting comment:

Tabloid journos namedrop expensive products all the time, often without the brand even knowing about it. I know the Mail Online writers have explicit instructions to cram in brand names because it sounds glamorous and gets hits, often the brands are furious because they don’t want to be associated with the Mail, but you don’t need anyone’s permission to write someone’s name in an article. Same goes for celebs – tinhats always claim celebs are “merching” whenever the Mail namedrops what brand they’re wearing, but in reality it’s 50:50 whether they get that info from the celeb/a publicist/a designer, or just decide to include it themselves. The Mail Online literally has researchers whose job is to scour fashion websites to ID what designers celebs are wearing.

HM basically ordered Diana’s death, R415? People legitimately thought that? Really?

I always thought that she was a basic bitch.

Granita is very 90s.

But, alas, no longer exists.

Wishing she would go away and "ordering her death" are two very different things.

Her Maj never ordered Diana's death, nor did Charles or the MI6 or any other of the many, many fantasies and conspiracy theories put forward as "murderers" surrounding that sad event.

The driver was drunk, the paps swarmed and chased, there was a horrible accident because of both. I wish people would stop being such fucking cunts about it.

There's me thinking that the State Banquet was just a load of chatter, voices and white noise.... but no, a band playing " Nobody Does it Better", theme music from The Pirates of the Caribbean etc

Just reading Sarah Vine's piece...( yes, I know ), but these little things have surprised me.

Hi R408 yes it has gotten way better I agree, but then the air quality was so dangerous just over a decade ago there was nowhere to go but up. There were spare the air days when kids under certain age couldn't be let outside due to their developing lungs breathing in all those particulates. I remember when I lived there in 2004-2006, on some days I'd get wheezy and go blow my nose, there'd always be grayish soot inside my nose. Decided to leave shortly afterwards back to my native SF.

What a crock of shit the Sussexes are, oh now please we need our privacy. Meanwhile oh yes let us decamp to L.A. where all the loony chaser paps are. Oh Harry doesn't know shit about those paps out in LA, they're another breed. I was driving to work at Cedars-Sinai hospital circa 2004-2005 (I forgot) and got trapped by Lindsay Lohan crashing her car at an intersection near the hospital. Within 10 seconds all the paps tailing her were there, getting out of their cars right in the middle of the fucking street. Just another normal day in L.A. Harry and Meghan will be papped while shopping on Rodeo Drive or getting groceries in Gelson's or Erewhon, on hikes in the canyons, at the beach, etc.... Does Harry understand all the downsides? Of course Meghan would tell him these downsides are upsides and he'd stupidly believe her. She'd be the one tipping off the paps like all the other desperate celebs out there.

How many grandchildren does the Queen have?

Eight

That's what Meghan wants, though, to be pursued by the paps. Even if she has to call them herself.

The ginger idiot probably thinks that since he can handle the UK tabloids, he'll be able to handle the low-level celeb paps life in the middle of LA.

Why anyone would want to move to modern LA, with its typhoid fever/bubonic plague issues is beyond me. That stuff can easily hop into the wealthier areas due to workers.

Although it would be great for gossip, I don't see the Sussexes moving to the US anytime soon. And if they do, it's definitely a sign that the rift with the RF (not just the Cambridges) is real and huge. And if they moved there *and* kept their funding? That's gonna cause a shitstorm with the UK public. Africa is a possibility to me, still, because that can be dressed up as 'humanitaaaaarian' work and finessed to be something other than a move taken mostly to get Hazbean the fuck out of the UK.

As for the Dump visit, I have to say I believe anyone putting responsibility on the Cambridges OR the Sussexes for meeting/not meeting with Trump is barking up the wrong tree. Kate, William, Harry and possibly Meghan (she may have made the decision herself, but only because she had a rock solid excuse in being on maternity leave) will not have been the ones to make the decisions about whether or not and under what context to meet Trump. I also agree with the posters who think it was entirely deliberate to keep Will and Kate (and their kids) away from Trump when there were cameras around. They are the monarchy's fresh new generation, and no one in the BRF wants photo/video of evidence of them yukking it up with Cheetolini that can come back to bite them in the future.

Someone posted this, above:

"Some people like them or hate them because of their ethnicity, their family history or things they've done. That's not the fault of either Kate or Meghan."

And I just wanted to say that ethnicity? Family history? Agreed, you're an asshole if you hate anyone for either of these reasons. But 'what they've done?' How is that not a valid reason to dislike someone? It's pretty much the entirety of the reasons I dislike Meghan.

I really doubt she’ll show at Trooping.

There’s no way she’s anywhere close to back in shape. I would imagine she was close to 200 lbs by the end of her pregnancy (probably starting around 110 lbs.)

She really looked extremely unwell towards the end (and at the photocall 2 days after birth.) I wonder what’s the real story there? That’s not a normal pregnancy for a fit, small woman.

It’s going to take her a year to get back in shape.

She could have had blood pressure issues or something like that R428. Child-birth is a grueling thing to go through and women are hardly back to 100% in a couple of days. She would have been absolutely exhausted if nothing else.

Her bare shoulders w/ that smug face at the last Trooping is reason enough to keep her away. My grandmother was very much not into that getup being allowed.

Harry is just the kind of dimbulb who would allow himself to be persuaded that a life in LA would be wonderful, failing to realize that the context of his life (location, position in line to the throne, membership in BRF etc.) is literally the only thing that gives him any public value. He's not an accomplished or interesting human being when he's just Harry Windsor the Redhead in LA. The city would probably be a dream for Meghan (although I tend to think she'd prefer New York over LA, for a number of different reasons) but after the novelty wore of I think Harry would have a very bad time. It would be the end of their marriage, imo.

As for TTC I think it's this simple: Meg will show if she's recovered her looks enough. If she hasn't, she won't. I don't necessarily think there was something wrong during her pregnancy, R428, some women do just put on an enormous amount of weight (water weight etc., even if they're watching their caloric intake which I assume she surely was) and she doesn't have the build to gracefully carry extra weight. At the Windsor Baby Archie photocall she looked very puffy and wide.

Trump is a fucking pig and a liar, and everyone knows it. Harry did not talk with him. Harry ignored him and barely spoke to Ivanka. Good for Harry. He showed up, He doesn't have t kiss that motherfucker's asshole.

R427 I posted that comment at R278.

Correction/Clarification: I mean other people's interpretation of things they've done.

I've read the diverse ways multiple posters interpret something Kate or Meghan does. Most of the interpretations are not views I share. I don't know these women and I certainly can't read minds so I tend to tread cautiously. It seems to me that people see celebrities and assume they "know" them. Celeb communities then converge around certain ideas and reinforce particular readings of a situation. This is a gossip thread. I think that's fair play, but I don't think Meghan or Kate should be held responsible for other people's readings of their actions based on very little empirical information about them.

God, he makes me sick. He and Melanie and their brood all smiling after being feted by the BRF. This is what he wanted all along. He brought all his kids so one dynasty could meet another. He wants to be American royalty. And everyone went along with it. I am glad Harry didn't go along with it even if it was over stupid Sparkle. Everyone gives into Trump- world leaders, the Dems, the Repugs, for good manners and to not lower themselves to him. But that is how Hitler and every dictator got into power. No one told them no, no one shunned them when they display bad behavior. Everything has just worked out peachy keen for him as my pro choice is getting taken away, they try to take my right to be married, and the climate goes to hell. But let's make sure we show Trump good manners while he dumbs down the presidency and desensitizes everyone with his tweeting, behavior, and lies. It's worked out well for him, he got legitimacy from this and we are getting so used to him he will likely be elected again.

For them to go anywhere they need a large enough income to live very comfortably without working. I can't see them living on just the income Harry has from his capital, and I also can't see Harry doing any kind of work, through both lack of desire and because he has no qualifications/experience to do anything.

It annoys me also the the royals put on fake military uniforms and fake medals. I'm not pro-military at all but it feels that they are just aping people who have done something real with their lives while all they've done is make speeches and cut ribbons and (in Charles' case) have servants do pretty much everything for you.

Trump's play for a dynasty is no different than the Bush, Kennedy, Clinton and the potential Obama attempt.

I wonder what Meghan thinks will be accomplished by moving to the US? Does she think she will be showered with movie roles? Papped? Hang out with the A-list? The only way she achieved her notoriety is via the BRF. What happens when she moves there and the reception is less than what she expected (as nothing will really live up to whatever she's got going on in her head AND she's an asshole who excels at burning bridges)? Do they try to come crawling back to the UK?

R420 - Second that.

I liked Sarah Vine's piece (R254) about the State Dinner.

She gave a good picture of the mechanics of the event, with humorous bits.

R426 - If DimWit thought he was "handling" the British tabs, he's dimmer than even we thought. They've done nothing but skewer his wife's image over the last year, including through her pregnancy.

The only thing he's managed to handle well is holding the baby for the photo-call.

All that said, the Harkles, especially the "arkle" bit, may be daydreaming of getting out of Old Blighty so they can be rich AND famous AND free in LaLaLand, but not any time soon. Meghan doesn't have a limitless horizon, but there is one there. Shuter is just repeating theories, not information from anywhere inside, because no one inside would talk to him.

People are so starved of new meghan flesh they've resorted to making up even more idiotic gossip.

They're not leaving the uk to live in America no matter what you deranged hags think and wish for.

Bitches, LA is a way better town to hunt for your next prize...

Does Sparkle see herself living in LA or NYC and having parties where people CURTSY to her?

Really? Does she?

LMFAO.

LMFAO too R443

I have a hard time remembering that Dim and Skank are actually in their mid-to-late 30s. They carry themselves like children.

Who is paying for the US lifestyle?

Maybe that article is another one of Meghan's attempts to negotiate via the press? Want me gone, buy me a place in LA.

R396, I was trying to imagine life for them in NYC. It would be better than the life you describe in LA. But there would be plenty of downside, too.

I think, as a previous commenter mentioned and I’m too lazy to find it, that she wound up with a C-section. It would have been an emergency C, and probably traumatic. And it’s a difficult recovery.

In my opinion, the first birth - even if it’s “perfect” is a shock to the system and recovery is a slog. And subsequent births are easier to bounce back from. Seems to be the consensus among women I know, most of whom are not pampered ladies of leisure with staff.

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^ lessons

I agree.

R450 - as has been stated multiple times, the royal family is playing nice because the US is important economically to the UK. I'm no Trump lover, but I won't judge Charles for doing what one must for Mother England, including posing for photos.

Would someone who had a C-section be up and about in front of the cameras and walking in heels in two days? my sister had one and it took her days before she was well enough to come to the front door. Her movement were restricted because her surgery wound was still healing. She was coming downstairs so she was obviously walking a little way but she was clearly in recovery. I've never experienced it but I would be surprised if Meghan had one and was able to look even that well after two days and to walk around like that.

r450 The BRF have posed with worse.

Some guy named Dave Chapman fooled me for a second. LOL

Caption: "HRH popped around yesterday to see if I could photo shop her out of all the photos taken of her with Donald Trump and that 'ill-fitting ' tux he wore at the State dinner."

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Trump is a nightmare, but right now he's President of the United States. The BRF was showing respect for the office and playing nice because the UK is going to be leaning hard on the Special Relationship in a post-Brexit world. It's not about kissing Trump's asshole, it's about staying in America's good books so Britain remains politically and economically viable. This is important for the whole country, including lots of regular folks who need to have jobs and feel safe in the world. The Queen and Charles and the Cambridges seem to realize this, and they took one for the team by being cordial to the Trumps without seeming desperate about it. Harry couldn't or wouldn't, because he's a stupid, selfish git who cares only about himself and his wife.

A previous rumor had them moving to New York, which makes more sense to me. It's a shorter flight back to London and she can network with Amal, Gayle and Co.

If that's Meghan's plan, she should have had Harry be nicer to Ivanka. Isn't she socially a big deal in NYC? I can't believe Meghan's personal ambition would be less important than whatever political views she claims to hold.

The 75th Anniversary of D-Day and nothing from Sussex Royal. Assholes.

Very True, R450, last year the Crown Prince of Saudia Arabia visited Britain, was welcomed by the Queen to Buckingham Palace and had a dinner thrown in his honour by Prince Charles. The link shows Prince Charles and William posing with him.

The Trump visit is different precisely because of the cultural ties and the 'special relationship' - it could be seen, by him and others, as an endorsement of him, and by extension his policies. Many of us are horrified at his suggestions of putting the NHS on the table in trade deals and endorsement of the loathsome Boris Johnson. Indeed, any apparent endorsement may potentially empower the more retrogressive and right-wing elements of this country. BUT we shouldn't imagine the Royal Family don't dine, and have photo-calls with, the heads of countries with far worse human rights records.

No Meghan did not have a c-sec, trust me I've worked in neonatal intensive care ICUs and there's no way a post-c-sec mom would be able to walk in high heels 2-3 days after birth. No fucking way. Remember, Meghan can't walk well in high heels anyways even before pregnancy (bandy legs and all), she'd always hold on to Harry's arm when walking for a reason, mainly for stability. Her walk while holding on to Harry was very tentative and even unstable for few seconds in the Archie meet and greet, but that's likely due to the fact that her vaginal canal was still very sore from being stretched/ torn giving birth. Advanced maternal age, first time older moms have higher risk of perineal tearing, that is a fact. Women tell me it's a very odd sensation between sore and pain and having your insides ripped apart.

R463, being truthful, from your experience, was that baby older than two days old? Would answer a lot, but I guess leave open more questions, too.

R464 Archie looked like a days- old newborn to me, and I'm not a Meghan fan at all to say the least. Some newborns can sleep through anything while others stir at the slightest touch or noise, I'd seen all kinds.

^^^ Sorry meant to say 2-days old newborn

Wasn't Harry in the Army for ten years?

You fucking know these royal cunts are racists. They wanted to be seen with Obama's coz he is cool as fuck and the first black US President, of course they wanted to be pictured with him, it's historic. So they suck up to him and pose for pics and all that shit to prove to the world that they aren't racists....but you know they are.

Thanks for responding fairly R465. I'm not used to babies, well, my nephew has grown so fast, I can hardly remember him being a newborn, now. But he was of similar weight, and I thought Archie seemed bigger. My nephew is 5, now, and I spend a lot of time with him , sitting, holidays etc. It's mad how quick they gr. ow, so my thinking / memory was probably off

What annoys me about Archie's birth is all of the unnecessary secrecy and drama, which was entirely manufactured by Harry and Meghan to make the birth of the 7th in line to the throne more of an event than it should have been.

I can’t remember if I said this. The best simple but heartfelt comment I ever saw was basically this Dear majesty I beg you. We won’t blame you anymore about Diana but please get rid of this marble woman. She’s not pure or nice. I know everyone thinks her mother is nice. But please what kind of mother tries to feed their baby ribs with a bone in. I beg you I have to go and spell check

The comment under said At least your honest lol

R469 if anonymous poster R465 had said Archie looked like he was 3 weeks old at the photo call, what then?

Actually, R468, I don’t know that they are racists.

But I do know that you’re barely literate.

R473, you don't know the royals are racists?! LOL. Damn, you must have been living in a cave.

I predict they are moving to New York. For a new start. Rumors were that they were looking in the Upper East Side. I think a toff might fit in there. Harry could not survive L.A. Meg enjoy shopping in Madison Avenue.

Aargh just lost entire post R472, typed it out, now need a gulp of wine and a sneaky puff of a fag out of the back doors, lol. And let the cat in. I'lll get back in a min, but doubt I'll remember which posts to refer to, so I'll just make a general post.

I can see Meg enjoying becoming part of NY high society, charitable balls and so forth. Take the occasional high-profile acting role, get Archie Harrison in a good school for the performing arts. Harry will soon become as useless as last season's Louboutins, but NYC is a great hunting ground for Meg's next husband.

It's like an Edith Wharton novel without all the subtlety and good manners!

I know it's very hard to believe but many countries love Trump. Esp the small ones. They love that Trump is standing up to China in the trade talks. My friend works in the UN and that's what she told me. Even Democrats like Jamie Dimon thought it was right for US to enter trade war with China.

“We’re better off dealing with it now, whatever that means for the economy,” Dimon said on stage at the Council on Foreign Relations...

The 63-year-old CEO highlighted “serious issues” affecting global companies include intellectual property theft, non-bilateral investment rights and non-tariff barriers.

There is no way they will move to NYC.

They are moving to S. Africa!

R478 Money isn't Republican or Democrat. Dimon may have Democrat friends but his primary concern is money.

The IG photo at R457 is hilarious. He looks in love; she has the where is the camera/swallowed the canary look. She is so transparent,

A lot of people, even in the UK, quite like Trump. I think a lot of people get really comfortable in their bubbles and forget that a country is more than just the people you interact with online, in school, or at work. An increasing number of normal people outside the cosmopolitan bubble, one that see various urban areas in different countries hold identical political beliefs, have a significant distaste for what is called 'proper political comportment'.

until ppl get that shit elections will continue to be 'omg how could we lose it must be rigged'

Charles is also looking older and older, and with the queen looking as smooth as always you gotta wonder...

This poor guy if he does go before his mother, the eternal prince of wales.

R482 Survey says only 21% of the British public "quite like Trump."

About the royals being racist, I'm sure there are some, but it's not fair characterize them all that way, particularly the younger royals. Also, remember that the one rare occasion that HM expressed her political views was about her opposition and consternation that Thatcher refused to impose sanctions on apartheid South Africa. Of course, she didn't say this out loud to the press, but she said enough to advisers and it was "leaked" to The Times.

Love or hate Meghan, she/her fans/her detractors seem to dominate virtually every thread about the British Royal family. Sigh. I'm not for censorship nor would I ever tell other posters what to post, but am so tired of the speculation surrounding her. If she actually does something, then let's talk about it.

We have tiara talk, dress talk or meghan talk it seems.

It's all about MEEEEEE

She looked sad. Not quite what she wanted. Spooky.

R486, she is the hottest ticket in town in terms of in family gossip, but I have to admit I have found the lack of media about her refreshing and hope her maternity leave stretches until the divorce. Less fussed about the focus here... she's a bitch, she's shallow, she's a train wreck... she's cannon fodder.

Too many faces, whispering voices

Welp Troll on DL

Too many choices

If, when, why, what

How many threads have you got?

Are you paid to post?

If so, how often?

Which do you choose

The hard or soft option.

Welp Troll Girls.

I've been someone who has been chipping in on these threads about all sorts of things to do with the Royal family. I don't like Meghan (from what we know/have been told of her) but I don't hate her like a lot of people on these threads do. Some seem a bit obsessive, like an anti-fan who needs to know everything about the person they hate - I didn't actually know that existed until I came here. Some dislike her (non-obsessively) for valid reasons, but some are transparently influenced by racism.

I am (naively) shocked when I see hate posts that are clearly underpinned by racism,. I saw someone had posted a quite reasonable-looking tweet from someone earlier, but I clicked on the link and saw that not only is the person a really obsessive and seemingly irrational hater, but they are clearly racist too. They love Kate and see her as under attack from Meghan, whom they refer to as 'the maggot black plague', - that is fucking horrifying.

Upsides of of NYC for the Sussexes: 1). Proximity to UN headquarters= more opportunities for humanitarian whoring purposes. 2). Media capital of the world= more opportunities for fame whoring purposes. 3). Entrance to NYC society for to fulfill snobbery purposes. 4). Hunting ground casting wide net for rich hubby #3. 5) Only about 6-7 hours flight to London, custody-sharing for Archie more doable than L.A. (12 hours flight to London). 6). More cosmopolitan than L.A. and Meghan considers herself to be just that, although really she's basic. 7). NYC is close to Toronto, the place of her career high point

Downsides of NYC for the Sussexes: 1). Trendy merching is more L.A. than NYC., trends still come out of California/ West Coast as opposed to NYC 2). New Yorkers don't give a fuck about celebs most of the time they see them on the streets, this may be problematic for a narcissist 3). New York socialites are less enamored of titles and royalty, they care most about $$$ and power.

Upsides of LA for the Sussexes: 1). Trendy merching capital of the world. 2). Easy to sustain fame/ status due to LA being a place that loves famewhoring for the sake of famewhoring. 3). More easily impressed with titles and royalty. 4) Warm weather allows year-round opportunities to wear revealing outfits while grilling burgers in a comically seductive way. 5) At heart and sartorially-speaking Meghan is a shallow Cali girl even though she fancies herself a NYC sophisticate, she fits here more. 6). Hollywood premieres, Oscar parties, heart of entertainment industry. 7). Oprah is here, get on Oprah's good side maybe she'll mold Meghan into being her heir to media empire. 8) Doria can move in and become nanny.

Downsides of LA for the Sussexes: 1). The site of her failure, she never made it here but in Canada. 2). Harry will be bored out of his mind. 3). Paps in LA are crass and awful and those are just the ones you pay to "stalk" you. 4). Maybe Thomas Markle unexpectedly pays a visit to Sussexes' new mansion. 5). Not where really big money resides in California, rather it's SF Bay Area with its high tech, venture capitalist money so may have harder time landing rich hubby #3. 6) 12 hours flight to London

I haven't seen anything like the maggot remark here. That's out of bounds. I have seen very few posts here I am certain were inspired by racism. I think we'd self police that.

I loathe her, but for her character. I think she's attractive. To look at. Terrible taste in clothes, pretentious attitude and, like the odious Jan Moir said, a fridge magnet philosopher.

R492, I agree and you will find plenty of KKK types on this thread, linking to the racist Skippie/Megxiteer blogs on Tumblr. One of them is the infamous misogynist, the DL Welp Troll. She genuinely thinks Meg will get divorced in the next few weeks and take her child (who they believe isn't Harry's) back to the US.

All of them think the petite, attractive MM is ugly with a 'barrel chest' and 'linebacker's shoulders'.

'Trendy merching capital of the world'

You are so unintelligent. The life of a marching influencer isn't a desirable one compared to that of a Princess of the UK. The latter is pure class. Only a handful exist. She already has exactly what she wanted. She doesn't care about marching or about LA. Only you do.

Autocorrect is a pain - I meant MERCHING of course.

'Trendy merching capital of the world'

You are so unintelligent. The life of a merching influencer isn't a desirable one compared to that of a Princess of the UK. The latter is pure class. Only a handful exist. She already has exactly what she wanted. She doesn't care about merching or about LA.

Only you do. She is married to the son of the guy who is going to be the King of England in a few years. All she has to do is look attractive and wave for a few hours a week and the rest of the time she can bring up her royal children with every luxury, in a gorgeous big country house.

R495 Oh puhleese, Meghan has an oddly-shaped torso on top of having short neck and wide shoulders. Since when are "barrel chest" and linebacker's shoulders" racist code words? Stop stretching meanings to fit your warped narrative, it only makes you look dumb and easily triggered. Offended by racist code words "barrel chest"? Stay off DL then, you're obviously too fragile for this shit. Most of us don't know who the fuck this skippy person is nor do we wish to find out.

R498 You sound like a Meghan superfan with blinders on and with a inarticulate mentality of a 12-year-old....so intelligent LOL. Yeah she doesn't care about merching sure okay, she even merches for her rich friend who owns a yoga business. Promotes it under the guise of mental health organizations on par with actual mental health initiatives that help people with mental health disorders. How do you fucking explain that away?

'Since when are "barrel chest" and linebacker's shoulders" racist code words'. I didn't say they were racist words, but they are inaccurate. 5 ft 10, 150 lb DL favourite Diana might have been described as having 'linebacker's shoulders', but Meghan is about 115 pounds and 5 ft 4. Everything about her is SMALL. She would never have been picked as a Deal or No Deal girl if anything about her was big, hulking or unattractive, as those girls are picked solely on looks.

If MM really wanted privacy, she'd do what she basically signed up to do, be a wife to the sixth in line.

MM does not want privacy, really.....hence all the stories, chaos and confusion.

'Yeah she doesn't care about merching sure okay, she even merches for her rich friend who owns a yoga business'

That was a microscopic square on an IG post with nine other squares. Do you really think that tiny studio can afford to pay her any money? You have zero other examples and just keep going back to the same, 1cm square image that the BRF are obviously fine with, or she would have had it removed.

Get back to me when she is merching for a big corporation like Cheval Blanc, like Kate.

'MM does not want privacy, really.....hence all the stories, chaos and confusion. '

And yet, she has been private since March, much to your horror.

R500 Not everything about Meghan is "SMALL". She has a large upper body musculoskeletal build but lower half I agree she's quite petite especially her thin legs. I'm also not one of those who criticize her thin legs, I think she's just one of those women who can't build muscle tone in the legs. Unfortunate if we're talking about shapely calves but I'd rather have thin legs than those even more unfortunate thick tree trunks. Meghan is oddly shaped for this reason, her top half is linebacker-like but her bottom half is the opposite, making her top half look even more pronounced. She's build like that equally oddly-shaped woman, trainer to the stars Tracy Anderson.

Yes, R504, everything about her is tiny. She is a US size zero. It doesn't get much more tiny than that. If her shoulders are slightly broad for her build, it just means she carries clothes better. If her chest was huge, she would not be a size zero.

^How these threads turn tedious.

Diana was a big lumbering woman with no waist and a huge upper body. Very manly.

R507, I respectfully disagree

Huge Megstan backchatting here. Hilarious.

R502 Oh hey welcome back Maldives Kate Troll of a few thread ago. Amping to turn the thread into Kate merching for X, Y, and Z and Maldives whatnot? Honey you can't prove shit with your Kate merching posts, I'm no Kate fan but the way that you and other Meghan fans go apeshit and try to tag onto Kate whatever Meghan does is pretty hilarious and I must say, transparent.

R505 I hate to break it to you but Meghan is not size 0 unless we're talking vanity sizing. She's more like a size 4 or maybe 6. Kate is close to size 0 but even she's not a size 0, more like a size 2. Talking about US sizes of course.

I never got the Diana fuss either, she had no waist, masculine hands, and in her mid 30s a menopausal belly. Although she had a photogenic face when younger, by the time she was divorced from Charles her skin looked like someone 10 years older. In certain outfits though her statuesque figure and stately looks were quite fetching, but she was no beauty just very photogenic in certain angles.

I have no horror at her being private since March. That's in your mind.

And hardly private, tbh.

It's been a bloody joy.

If MM isn't into merching, then why the F does she merch so much? the clothes, the jewelry she wore on the Asia trip, the mega-expensive Ralph & Russo engagement gown. The silly ring Harry had on in Australia for several days. The ugly personalized suitcases that were boldly wheeled into her NYC baby shower hotel right on the street, in full view of cameras and paps for maximum public free exposure. There are these and many other signs that Haz and Bean have gotten fully into the way of the MERCH.

She's a grifting, merching, ho bag. And I want all the fucking details.

Yes but that's the thing R494, even though overt racism is disgusting it is a massive red flag in terms of the posters opinions. The worrying thing is when it is not obvious that the poster is motivated by racism and may be telling us untruths, distorting things (like when they swear a particular thing happened in a video and you watch it and it is quite different from how they described it), or trying to stir up negative feelings deliberately.

The tweet that was from the horrible racist twitter page looked reasonable in isolation, it is only because I actually clicked on the link and went to the twitter account itself that I could see what motivated it. Things like that mean that I'll take a lot of the negative stuff on here about her with a pinch of salt, including things that are from newspaper reports because they are hardly bastions of truth.

And no R509, it is not 'Megstan backchatting' it is being an adult and taking responsibility for questioning what is behind the opinions that you encounter so as to avoid becoming complicit. Are you very young (you seem it) and/or racist? If you are not racist then you should also be concerned about these things.

[quote] the jewelry she wore on the Asia trip

So which country or countries did she visit in Asia? I must have blacked out or something.

R514, you’re too adult for this thread. It’s been overrun by dim-witted fraus. I find it hysterical when they call Harry dim—I bet they sure do recognize it.

I wasn't referring to you, R514, I was referring to someone more recent upthread, unless you are the one flying in with lots of posts? I don't think you are, though. No, I'm not young, as in THAT sense of young, and I'm certainly not racist. I made a short comment. That's all.

I wasn't referring to you.

R514 I'm not R509 but I have to question the wisdom of accusing others of being complicit racist via the use of either/ or propositions. You cannot frame things in such ways as you're not open to the very dialogue that you seem to desire in this matter. I still don't know what the issue is that you refer to, you're not wording your concerns in a coherent way, because the way that it stands now it appears that you are making deductive inferences from a specific episode and applying it to majority of people whose intentions you don't know.

Apologies R509/R517, as you saw I was responding thinking it was in response to me, which shaped the way I interpreted it. I didn't see the other comments.

That's ok. And thank you.

In other words R514 while there are racists who object to Meghan solely on her background, it's unfair to apply that to the majority of people, here at least, who object to her because of her actions, not her race.

FFS Marys! this isn't a grad seminar on Race and Ethnic Studies or Sociology, it's a gossip thread on the Brit royal fam on a GAY gossip board.

You are way over-thinking this shit. Some of us like Bean, some don't. She gives great controversy and a reason to dish and snark, as does her husband. Both are British royals and are a central story to the current BRF. This is the perfect place for it.

Rude and off-topic occasional posts aside, which contain some nasty racial shit (and get called out immediately by many here), 99% of these thread are silly sniping and pics of tiaras and jewels.

R491 Excellent. I laughed so loud the neighbour's dog started barking.

She literally walked out on tour with the tags still on her ill-fitting dress. But yes, anyone that dislike Queen Meghan is a racist, that's the modern method to shut out opinions you don't like.

Also, re: linebacker's shoulders, I think it was me who used that phrase a couple of days ago, but it was about Charlene of Monaco, not Meghan.

I think Meghan is very pretty. I also think she doesn't have a very femininely shaped body. Same for Diana, actually, although Diana was tall. Both are slim-hipped and waistless, although Diana had big boobs which distract straight men from waistlessness.

Damn this thread has gone bananas! Sure, MM is pretty in that bulimic plastic surgery LA phony way...

MM brings the hate because she is such an obvious con artist/hustling hoe who has underestimated the world. For shits and giggles, we watch the engagement video, whew, the lies...

"We don't have much of an interest in the royal family in the States" "Is he kind?"

LOL!!!!!

No wonder William looks so prissily pissed off his half-brother (there, I said it!) is an idiot.

“. The worrying thing is when it is not obvious that the poster is motivated by racism and may be telling us untruths, distorting things (like when they swear a particular thing happened in a video and you watch it and it is quite different from how they described it), or trying to stir up negative feelings deliberately.”

So even if nothing racist is even said, there could be hidden racist motivation. Therefore, anything negative must be racist. Even if it isn’t.

Okay.

But I didn't say that R524. I said that I personally don't like Meghan, and that some people here dislike her for valid reasons. I also said that there are some people here who are obsessive in their hate of her and that some people are definitely motivated by racism, which I have become a lot more aware of and will take into account when reading posts. Did you read my posts where I explained this?

Oh my goodness R527, it seems like every time I post anything with any complexity on this board, that isn't completely positive or negative about something, people get confused and react badly. How did you interpret what you quoted as saying that 'nothing negative must be said'? seriously, how? I said some people disliked her for valid reasons but that I was aware that some were (in a non obvious way) motivated by racism and that is something to take into account, especially when things don't seem to be adding up - claims being made that seem excessive or don't fit the evidence.

Why are you acting as though everything is so very simple? the world is complicated.

Thanks R516, I think you're probably right. We had a brief bit of good debate a couple of threads ago about the status of the monarchy in modern Britain, and I do enjoy a fair amount of the bitchiness about Meghan and Harry, but it does seem to have taken a bit of a dive recently. Think I'm going to take a break from looking at the thread for a bit.

Photo album of the posters on this thread.

Good grief r531 seek help. Please.

R531 - Christ, that should really get you kicked off the site. Muriel? And R532 is correct: you need medication.

Uuughhh everything gets ruined these days. Absolutely everything.

R529 You are reaching now, I mean really you are. Saying that when people exaggerate and "claims that don't add up" equates with being racist is quite a stretch without any basis in how you'd arrived at your faulty conclusion. Racism is odious and also odious is the way in which people use racism to shut people up because it's such a taboo (and rightly so) to be even accused of being racist today. Your claims are without evidence, all you are doing is nothing more than a witch-hunt on of all places a BRF gossip thread, simply because the hated person du jour is half Black. Not denying that there are a minority of people who subscribe to what you accuse of, but the majority of people can't stand Meghan because of obvious actions on her part. Go preach your faulty SJW logic elsewhere, accusing everyone left and right of racism when nothing can be substantiated other than you feel sinister racism must lurk beneath the surface. I'm not White by the way, and have experienced actual racism as a biracial half East Asian/ White person, so I'm not one who takes racism and accusations of racism lightly.

I do like discussions about the future of the monarchy post-Queen. Charles...inspires nobody and William is quite bland.

I don't hate Meghan; in fact, I respect her rise from relative obscurity to becoming one of the most famous women in the world in a short period of time...be it due to intelligence, beauty, charm, sexual prowess or a combination of assets. When it became clear to her that she had successfully snared Harry Meghan no doubt couldn't believe her good fortune—a literal 'Cinderella story'—and most of us cheer for the underdog. With this stated, I easily tire of her fans and foes constant bickering back and forth. So, could we have a "British Royal Family Gossip: Meghan" thread and a separate "British Royal Family Gossip: Excluding Meghan" thread?

R477 - Props for mentioning Edith Wharton, one of my favourite American writers. "The House of Mirth" and the fate of the hapless Lily Bart would have been instructive to Meghan if she'd read it, which is extremely doubtful.

Why were the dangling tendril threads ended? They seemed perfect for limiting the crazy on both sides.

The fact is these aren't just regular fans and 'sugars' MM has a squad of paid bots who are at this and many other sites all day getting paid to defend her honor. Johnny Depp employs the same.

R536 - I'm up for that. Right now I think the best candidate for 'next King," if we're opinionating, is Charles. He has become a more seriously and kingly figure over the past ~5 years or so. I don't think he's anything like as suited as his mother to the job (in fact one of her few weaknesses as queen may turn out to be her raising of Charles, depending on how he actually turns out to be as monarch), but he seems to have settled more into his role just lately, there is less petulance about him - publicly, anyway. Charles' challenge as king will be keeping his nose out of issues. He's got a reputation as a meddler and it's going to look even worse on a king than it doe son a king-in-waiting. I want to think he's learned his lesson there but there's probably a lot of PR and persuasive courtiers at work behind the scenes.

Charles isn't exciting, but neither is HM. But he does seem as stable as he ever has lately (and it's my suspicion that Camilla has a lot to do with this) and that bodes well.

William has only just gotten on board with who he is and what his future role is, imo. Others see the same thing in him - a new seriousness, if not a new tendency to work his ass off (which he shares with his brother - neither of those boys developed a work ethic). It was probably having children that forced him to grow up. If he became King right now it could go quite badly. He needs more years to settle into the 'heir to the heir' life, and to really grasp what it's going to mean to be king. We don't know if he'll get those years, but it would be ideal.

The UK seems to do better with queens. Here's hoping George's firstborn is a girl, if we're still doing kings and queens by the time he's having children.

We had a fun stretch where we discussed Bea and Edo. Nice while it lasted.

R540, just because you say so, doesn’t make it so. The truth is that EVERY person in the public eye has a social media manager. They all are out there trying to get good press in social media. For you to accuse the Sussexes of employing troll farms is tin-foil-hat territory, especially without proof.

Well stated, R541! Especially the next-to-last sentence.

I know I'm going to regret like hell saying this, but I'm actually starting to feel sorry for Markle. She hasn't done a thing lately and vitriol is even worse than usual. People shit all over her (usually rightfully so) when she does anything, but now they're shitting and vomiting and the woman is essentially cloistered. It's getting irrational.

She's reach the 'look at that bitch eating crackers' stage within a year.

Oh please, she brought this on herself. She's a pretentious self aggrandizing famewhore who lacks wit or any sort of depth. Hell, she's not even good at bringing any sort of campiness to her role. She's only interesting in that she always gets it wrong.

'The fact is these aren't just regular fans and 'sugars' MM has a squad of paid bots who are at this and many other sites all day getting paid to defend her honor. Johnny Depp employs'

Are you paid to post?

If so, how often?

Which do you choose?

The shill or bot option?

R545 and others. I believe that I feel something for MM which is much stronger than mere dislike, and that is disgust. *Dislike* would be based on something like not liking Meghan’s pushiness. “My “disgust”, on the other hand, is the result of Meg’s shunning her kindly old, sick father over a minor peccadilo and smearing him in public relentlessly. Bishop Curry said at the royal wedding that “Love is stronger than death” (Song of Solomon). But hate can also be powerful. The foul odor lingers even after the person Is gone. I can share that I have never felt such revulsion to any public figure EVER. This is also true of many other Meg critics: there are many first-time “haters” and a large percentage of non-white women. I saw only one racist post in an anti-Meg FB group and it was promptly removed. On the other hand, even the mildest critics of Meg have been harassed. They have Scotland Yard on the job. Someone I know was banned from FB for calling Meg a “trollop”. In the end, the big story will be how much money and influence the royals used to prop up Meg and Hapless Harry. Just the threatening lawsuits...

I disagree, R314, it is a family business and states craft. I will be surprised if she is present, in no small part as it would be perceived as an insult to the US delegation, who the Queen just invited to visit again soon. The UK needs the trade. Me-Gain will not be allowed to fuck that up is my strong sense, esp with Dim having already acted out pulling faces. He was pretty unanimously reamed a new one by members of the public commenting, for failing to do his job. The taxpayers are increasingly resentful of them. So the analogy to an annoying spouse in the extended family does not quite hold in this situation.

Out of sight out of mind comes to mind. Better it be visually about Charles and the Cambridges, including tiny Louis, who are the future of the BRF, not a problem being shifted elsewhere. After the Investiture AND this week, they clearly are brand building at the expense of the BRF and the country and the BRF can simply minimize their opportunities for doing so.

I couldn't have predicted how bad the reaction to Harry would have become, it's actually impressive how quickly it turned from 'Our lad' to 'Oh no he's been had' to 'Fuck the cunt'

R549, I don't think Thomas Markle is kind. He sold his soul to the Sun and Mail, selling nasty stories about Meghan like this:

'My thing about my daughter right now is that I think she is terrified," Markle Sr. said in the interview. "I see it in her eyes, I see it in her face and I see it in her smile. I’ve seen her smile for years. I know her smile.'

I don't blame her for disowning him.

I don't doubt that some of the Meghan-hate is racist, but to my eye the vast, vast majority of it is the female misogyny which is rampant all over the Net. Women tearing each other to shreds. And make no mistake, that's why they're there. They find a target (often the wife of someone they fancy, but that's not necessary) and they swarm. Then they compound it by bitching at each other about their opinions.

Melania so looks like a Bond-vintage Eastern European spy in those D-Day photos.

I want to see a video of her with Mr Johnson, so she can be saying, "Interesting, Boris, very interesting."

Trolls try to get these threads closed, just like the DT threads were closed. Engaging them accomplishes nothing. Per the instructions of the webmaster, block.

The departure of our Rach from the BRF being openly discussed? Bit shady, no?

Lady Colin Campbell believes it would be ‘great tragedy’ if Meghan Markle doesn’t last in Royal Family

[quote]I do like discussions about the future of the monarchy post-Queen. Charles...inspires nobody and William is quite bland.

Unlike the Queen, who stopped doing stand up when she turned 40.

It's about being bland, Einstein.

R545, it didn't have to be that way. She made her bed, with the public and the media. She gets no sympathy from me.

R535 But aren't Asians racist against Blacks?

@R555 I block so many. Arguing with trolls is a complete waste of time. And I do miss the Dangling Tendrils threads...

Back to the topic, the tiaras and jaw breaking jewels looked marvelous. DOC's feather dress was superb. Tiffany Trump camouflaged her pregnancy pretty well, wonder if she's keeping it? Prince Charles, the royal red neck what is going on? Rosacea or worse?

What I admire about TQ besides her granny fashion is her gravitas.

You’re Laughing out Loud that I don’t know that “the royals” are racist - which royals, R474? You obviously know them better than I do.

Why do you assume that I live in a cave, R474? You’re not very bright, are you?

I'm not racist because I never called Obama a nigger but his birth certificate is a fraud.

This thread is grayed out, if you would like it to remain open, please W&W the original post.

The same trolls who try to control discussion here would like it to be shut down. Block them and click where it will do some good if you disagree.

These trolls, Megstans, try to quell dissent. They try to censure critique. They try to get unfavorable threads shut down or labelled with false narratives. But they don't change anybody's mind. In fact, they only serve to galvanize the criticism.

@R563 I did WW the OG post, but the FF button got grayed, also

@R564 no they're not changing anyone's mind but they're BOTS it's their job...

The Queen’s popularity took a hit because she wasn’t openly blubbering about Diana’s death. Kept the boys up at Balmoral, didn’t lower the flag at Buckingham Palace. Meanwhile the public having hysterics.

R565, that doesn’t mean that you also F&Fed the thread. Using W&W removes the option of later using F&F on the same post, and vice versa. You get one or the other.

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Interesting comments from the article before the Great Whitewash of kate and co.

Carole's social climbing is well known. She is very charming to people whoshe thinks may be of use to her but when she discovers they are of no use to her, she just moves on to the next person. That is well documented from many sources. She is also calculating and that shows in her face. You can see what sort of person she is but all that said, washing dirty linen in public isn't classy at all. This is a private family matter and shouldn't have been splashed all over the papers.

Leawood, I have met Carole three times actually (socially) and I also know her daughter through social circles and work. Carole is a very shrewd operator and works a room like a pro. She isn't rude to people but makes it quite apparent to those she doesn't rate highly on the social scale, that she has other fish to fry. So please do consider your language and your easily spoken insults as if you live and mix in certain circles in London, it isn't difficult to bump into the Middletons or the princes. My comments on this family are always based on personal experience and this paper doesn't print half of what is known about them.

England is still a very racist country. Maybe not London but just go to a football game (soccer), the black players are called "monkeys" every game.

R569 From what I've heard the Middletons are delightful and fun to be around regardless of who you are. You're just going with the old narrative of them being social climbers and spinning with the "I know them personally" angle. Sorry not buying it for one second.

r571 I didn't write the comments but they match what confirmed workers at party pieces said about them recently. They only had nice things to say about michael middleton which is why I usually write middleton-goldsmith when referring to them because let's face it, the trashy-ness is coming from the goldsmith side.

No way M is going to curtsy for William and Kate when they are king and queen . She thinks she is the queen herself and all others have to curtsy for her ! When W is crowned in the future she will be out of the R F .

As an American, MM isn't required to curtsy to royalty. But if she were British, what would happen if she refused?

Send her to the Tower!!

Oh god R574 when I see “As an American” I just want to puke. Nobody is required to curtsy to Her Majesty. Within the Royal family and in private the rules are different but it is nothing to do with being an American.

Do you really think that every nationality on the planet other than Americans is required to bow or curtsy to HM?

American exceptionalism - gotta love it.

Get your head out of the toilet, R576.

Re-phrased - as a non-British person, MM is not expected to curtsy to British royalty.

Wrong, r577. MM is expected to curtsy to all her superiors in the Royal Family. She's entirely subject to their rules so long as she accepts their dime.

Curtseying is the kind of archaic tradition that could be phased out. It will be interesting to see if Anne will curtsey to Queen Camilla.

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lol same ones creaming themselves over the thought of meghan curtsying to kate.

It's never going to happen.

I wouldn't be surprised if, within the family, curtseying became a practice reserved only for the monarch. That would be consistent with current practice and save Anne and the other "blood princesses" (eeeww) from having to curtsey to Camilla.

Oh I will miss Theresa's awkward curtsey's once she is gone.

For you , R583

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Queen Elizabeth I made entirely of flowers, on display in Covent Garden.

#TBT

Anne in yellow.

I went on cb and they are desperate for meghan to show up at trooping the colour because they are convinced she'll be cheered more than anyone. They also think last year kate was using her height and hat and aura and body language as weapon against meghan on the balcony. I despair.

Post the cb comments that say kate was using her aura or whatever as a weapon.

Lol, they just can't understand MM's position in the line, can they?

Nobody is required to curtsy to the Queen or any members of the Royal Family, that includes the British. Most British will do it out of respect as the Queen is the Head of State but there is no obligation.

The Royal Family have their own strict rules for each other and MM would absolutely have to follow those rules as she is a working member of the RF.

Harry in full male, pale and stale regalia.

So I went to cb and only two comments said anything about Kate's height and using it as a weapon to block, here they are.

It was more her entire stance and aura – As Lady D correctly points out, it made me wonder why she was dressed like that. The sum of everything: the tall hat + high shoes + somewhat hostile body language + aggressive positioning, to me signaled that she was asserting her position, most likely over Meghan, who was behind her the whole time, looking smaller and not particularly happy.

That’s how I read it at the time, and nothing we’ve heard since then has re their feuds and the embiggening of the Cambridge’s has made me think any differently.

Kate has behaved atrociously on that Trooping of the Colour Balcony Last year William did have to ask her to move along. She was completely blocking one side. The year before she went charging onto the balcony directly after the Queen, ahead of Charles and Camilla. Terrible manners. I think it could stem from a few years ago when she was shoved into the back and another year when no-one spoke to her. She did use her height as a weapon last year. No-one is asking her to wear flats but she must have been about eight feet tall on that balcony – two feet high hat and six inch heels. The Queen is a little stooped now and Kate towered like a giant. It is the Queen’s day. Not Kate’s . A little more blending in would have been in order.

"two feet high hat and six inch heels"

Omg, they are hilarious!

I see her as more of an Undine Spragg, R538.

What’s nice about LA though? Who would want to be in that blaring sun ALL the time, and have to drive (in traffic!) everywhere. It honestly does not look fun, and when I see celebrity pap shots it doesn’t look like a comfortable place. They’re always in sunglasses and hats for the sun, and always seem to be carrying their own green smoothie and yoga mat. That’s not Harry’s world, he must like the cooler moister climate of The UK. Plus what about polo and hunting? Won’t he miss that?

I don’t see color, R492, I see the person first. And some of my best friends are black.

No, the annoying thing about ME! isn’t that she invaded the royal family as a Person of Mixed Race. It’s that she’s so vain, and so obviously a manipulator. Kate is exactly what we’d want in a royal. She’s docile, doesn’t have much of a opinion, and dresses modest. Her job is to let her husband shine. She gets it.

Mark my words, Harry and Meghan are already talking to lawyers. The latest humiliation of the family by her during President Trump’s visit was final straw on back. They’ll be separated by Christmas.

Sit back and watch it happen folks.

I missed it! What was the photo at R457? Down now.

R598

Looks like someone has leaked a picture to keep herself talked about on Twitter. Although it's a preview shot.

R377, moving to LA would mess up Meghan's British citizenship. She'd have to restart the clock by getting a new visa if she and Harry returned to the UK, which would mean an additional 5 years until she became a citizen. This is why I think reports that they're moving to LA are false. MM is hungry for that British passport, as her thirst for finding a British man showed.

Just browsing the WayBack Machine and came across that pulled Forbes article.

In case anyone missed it, I'll post the link.

Scroll past if you've seen it, obvs.

Real Housewives of New York would be right up her street. A cross between Bethenny Frankel and Luann de Lesseps.

After all, there are only so many interviews she can do. If she got herself on a franchise she could merch away to her little hearts content.

And sell access to Harry. Whoops, sell MORE access to Harry.

Here she goes.

She shares with us his speech ( that she wrote for him).

And manages to mention herself.